Free agent shortstop Carlos Correa has switched agencies and is now a client of Scott Boras and the Boras Corporation, according to Mark Berman of Fox 26. Correa had previously been represented by William Morris Endeavor.
Going into the offseason, Correa was widely considered to be part of a two-headed top of the free agent class, along with Corey Seager. Both offered similar appeal to prospective teams, as both shortstops entered free agency at the age of 27 and offered elite production on both sides of the ball. MLBTR placed Correa at the top of the annual Top 50 Free Agents, projecting him for a contract of $320MM over ten years, with Seager just behind in the number two slot and a projection of $305MM over ten years. Seager, represented by the Boras Corporation, beat his projection when the Rangers signed him to a ten-year deal worth $325MM. Correa, meanwhile, did not find a contract to his liking before the lockout and remains a free agent.
Back in September 2019, Correa took the unusual step of hiring WME to represent him, despite the fact that they were more of a show business agency and did not have longstanding MLB agents at that time. Back in September 2021, it was reported that the company was still trying to expand its baseball operations, hiring former Angels general manager Billy Eppler, along with some agents who had previously been with Excel Sports Management and CAA. (Eppler subsequently left WME to become general manager of the Mets.)
However, the most recent news surrounding the agency had been their parent company Endeavor’s attempts to purchase a variety of minor league teams, something which drew the ire of the MLBPA. In a report from Evan Drellich of The Athletic last week, he noted that the union had “warned WME Sports player representatives that they risk losing their certification as agents unless they divest themselves from the company.” MLBPA is in charge of agent accreditation and their regulations prohibit agents from acquiring or holding financial interests in professional baseball teams unless authorized by the MLBPA to do so. There is no evidence that the situation regarding WME and their minor league investments had anything to do with Correa’s departure, nor did Correa offer an explanation for his choice other than to praise the Boras Corporation’s expertise and experience.
Now Correa will exit the lockout with the sport’s most high profile agent in his corner to help him navigate what is widely expected to be a chaotic frenzy of activity, as teams and players try to finalize deals in the short window between a new CBA being signed and a new season beginning. Boras figures to have his hands full in that time, as he also represents other notable free agents, such as Nick Castellanos, Kris Bryant and Carlos Rodon.
I kept forgetting he wasn’t already with Boras so checks out.
I can’t imagine a team signing him now.
Boras is salivating all over himself at this news. Disgusting!
His job is to get the most money for his clients. which he does repeatedly. He’s a fantastic agent & kudos to him for calling out owners who cry poor,
Well, “fantastic agent” is relative. For players and himself, sure. For the game? That would be another matter altogether.
Depends on the players. Some get screwed over but generally you’re right.
Poor? If that isn’t the pot calling the kettle black. Boras makes more each year than the owners do. Why doesn’t he pay their salaries?
Boras is worth about half a bil, his agency pulls in about 150 mil a year.
Neither of those figures are anywhere close to even the ‘poorest’ of mlb owners
I see no evidence whatsoever that Boras is so particularly great at what he does. His clients are getting paid with or without him. I see nothing that shows him definitively getting his clients more than they would’ve gotten without him.
Seems like you kind of answered your own argument. If his players get paid with or without him, it’s telling that so many still choose to sign with him.
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Stealing Signs is right, His job is to get the most money for his clients.
No one is forcing the owners to pay. And no one is forcing the players to go to the highest bidder.
The fact that he has one of the largest sports agencies period isn’t proof enough? What other levels of success are you looking for
He does so by creating chaos on the team. Owners and GMs have to consider so many thing–budgets, expenses, chemistry, keeping the fans happy, getting players that fit the team’s needs within the spending limits, etc. It’s not just owners crying poor. The thing with rich people is that when their expenses go up, they increase the amount they charge to the rest of us. Ticket prices go up, concession prices go up, the owners scream for a new stadium, etc.
Boras is the best agent in the world in any sport. His clients get both the most money overall and the most AAV.
Especially when he has some teams bidding against themselves when his inevitable “secret, unnamed” “bidder” enters the fray to jack up the bids
(perhaps, the coffee guy at the Boros Corp)?!
@Cosmo Not sure I get your argument here. There is no way to prove your argument one way or the other. Probably why you didn’t even try. There is nothing definitively saying that his clients would have gotten more or less with another agent because since they are his clients no one knows what they would have gotten otherwise. There is no WAY to know.
What we know for sure is that players continue to choose to sign with him and he has the most $ under contract. That would indicate that he is a pretty darn good agent.
I didn’t say he isn’t successful. I just see no evidence that he actually gets his clients significantly more money than they would without him. I think he has a lot of people fooled.
“Boras makes more each year than the owners do.”
This is impossible it’s like saying my kid makes more than I do because of the allowance I pay him.
Alex Rodriguez and Boras hoodwinked the Texas Rangers for about 10 million more that he otherwise would have gotten. So that’s one example.
There is a lot more to signing with Boras than just him getting them signed for the most years and money. He brings with him top of the line facilities with trainers and sports complexes. With the lockout players do not have access to a teams trainers or facilities. Boras can supply all of that.
“The thing with rich people is that when their expenses go up, they increase the amount they charge to the rest of us.”
No rich person in history has ever behaved like that. They never say “hey, we signed that free agent cheaper than I expected so I can lower the ticket the prices and still break even!” They only say “nice, more profit!” Setting prices to the minimum you can afford is poor person thinking… or non-profit organization or perfectly competitive market.
Boras could make more a year than an individual owner(s). Probably not many where that is true but he reps guys from all 30 teams. (Or at least could—I haven’t checked how many teams he reps guys on.)
People who hate Boras, Correa, and the Astros just won the trifecta.
Interesting. Really interesting. Goodness that must suck for whomever he dumped. $20m out the window.
I think WME took into consideration when they absorbed a bunch of MiLB teams that they would risk losing clients. They’re working from the bottom up finessing minor leaguers.
That doesn’t make a lot of sense, you’d need to first convince them to go with you, then wait until they hit free agency, then hope that they are talented enough to draw large offers. How many would it take to make up the portion you’d get from one 300m contract? And you won’t be seeing that money for years.
especially when they are going to lose their accreditation to represent players by owning milb teams.
In addition to the WME agent that lost Correa’s commission, I can’t imagine Bryant, Castellanos or Rodon are very happy about this development. Boras will have less time to focus on those guys in the post-lockout frenzy now that
Correa shares their agent.
Does Boras actually negotiate for every player he represents or does he have a team of agents working under him representing players?
He has a team of 75 people. He handles the big names himself, He also has his own sports facility where his clients can work out/train.
The Boras Corp has 75 employees who do a range of activities.
His team of people help him with all the legwork around supporting his clients and preparing for contract negotiations.
It think it’s pretty safe to say Boras knows what’s he’s doing and can handle all of those players.
I’ll say it again, Correa is barely among the top 10 SS in the Majors. He is not worth anywhere near the projections that are expected here.
In fantasy drafts, he is maybe not even drafted in the top 5 rounds.
I think you are missing the point. He’s the top SS available that puts up numbers. If you are a team in need of a SS then you will pay or you won’t get the top SS! What does fantasy baseball have to do with anything. This is REAL LIFE and that’s the going rate for a SS of his caliber.
Overpaying for a vastly overpriced SS does not help your overall productivity of the team. Anyone team paying this guy what he and Boros are asking for, will end up having to cut corners in other areas.
Just my opinion, but I almost consider this a joke. Admittedly he was a hero for the Astros in the playoffs this year. That begs the question, why are they not jumping on the Correa bandwagon? Boros needs to be taught a lesson.
@Dogbone I actually have Correa in the top 10 towards the bottom. Curious to hear your SS rankings.
It isn’t about how much YOU think he’s worth. Someone will pay him. Any player’s value is what someone is willing to pay him. He’ll get his money. It may surprise you to learn that Correa was top rated defensive player in 2021, and was second highest in WAR of all position players.
That’s just it: I’m not sure someone will pay him what he, and now Boras too, are seeking.
If Seager got it, he’ll get it too. Nothing will ever surprise me since Boras pulled off Fielder’s 9 yr, $254 million deal with Detroit……in February.
I’m curious to which teams you think (that need a SS) will pay 330 mill. Yankees have gone cheap lately, Boston is set on the right side, Dodgers have trea plus history with Correa, I could go in and on. I don’t see a team that would pay him 350 mill.
No one expected the Rangers to shell out $500 MM on Seager and Semien but here we are.
Boros did an “end run around” former Tigers Pres Dave Dombrowski who was not interested in Fielder. Boros had former owner Mike Ilitch’s cell number and closed Illitch on the deal directly.
Boros had former owner Mike Ilitch’s cell number and closed Illitch on the deal directly.
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I’ve heard rumors that Ilitch Sr was losing it when Boras talked him into the contract. Same story that I heard with Davis and Angelos.
You sound like a bitter Astro fan about lose your SS.
His performance shows him to be top 3-5. WAR, wRC+, OPS, OPS+.
fangraphs.com/leaders.aspx?pos=ss&stats=bat&#…
I suspect they still get something since they arguably had already been working towards a deal. Maybe someone from MLBTR can chime in. It reminds me of lawsuits. If your lawyer has been working on a settlement and you fire him/her right before you settle, they still get a piece.
Agent typically gets 10%, @seamaholic.
So. More like $33 mil or whatever. Which…yeah. That would suck.
Agents get 5%.
Forbes says you are correct.
So. Noted. +1.
Welcome to DC kid!
DM_Nats- I really hope he goes to the Nationals. I hope the Yankees don’t even make an offer to Correa. I would be fine with Trevor Story for 5 years and $23 annually. He can play shortstop for a couple years, and then move to centerfield for the last 3 years. Centerfield would be a picnic for Story compared to playing shortstop.
Y4L75: I heard this and really like this idea, especially with Florial’s future in question. If Dominguez is ready early, he can also transition to 3B if Volpe sticks at SS. No matter what, there’s a place for Story with his speed. I think it’s definitely worth considering and a really interesting proposition. Certainly just as, if not more, plausible than Chapman at SS.
@Yankee Clipper- if I’m the Yankees I definitely sign Story. I don’t have as much interest in Olson then I do in Freeman. I hate the idea of giving up so many prospects. If Frankie Montas comes back in the deal with Olson I can see the Yankees trading Peraza, Pereira, Voit and either Garcia or Schmidt. Luis Gil should not be traded unless he is in a package for Luis Castillo. I feel Castillo just needs a change of scenery and has to just get out of Cincinnati, so basically he is no Sonny Gray who obviously can’t pitch in New York. If Oakland says no to package offered above the Yankees should just move on and try to sign Freddie Freeman or just resign Anthony Rizzo. My question to you is: Who would rather trade for Frankie Montas or Luis Castillo? My preference is Castillo. I hope all is well.
Y4L75: Things are well, my friend. That’s a good question and one I’ve pondered. I agree with you, and I choose Castillo for a few reasons.
@Yankee Clipper- glad to hear my friend. And let’s not give up on my boy Florial, just yet. This poor guy just needs a chance to play. I wish we could trade Aaron Hicks somewhere to give him a chance to play centerfield. Florial has all the talent in the world and can play all 3 outfield positions also, with a rare combination of power and speed. He definitely deserves to play here or somewhere else. Always nice to talk to you. Stay safe and be well.
I really like Story’s blend of power, speed, durability, & defense. He has a very high floor & can help a ballclub in a lot of different ways.
& when I look at the difference in predicted salary, Story would leave more ducats for another bat or two. Which we sorta need.
How would Story be a good CF?
@DimitriInLA- Story has the speed and arm strength to play centerfield. Centerfield is a lot easier of a position to play than shortstop. Many teams have interest in Story, and moving him to the outfield as he gets older. But there is no reason why he can’t play shortstop right now. I think Story interests many teams on the open market. I expect for him to sign right away, once the lockout is over.
Wow! Well the contract he was asking for just got a whole lot bigger. With Boras running the show its going to be a difficult process no matter who tries to sign him. Buckle up…..
I don’t think it gets bigger. I think he gets what he’s been asking for. Had Boras been his agent, he would have had a contract before the lockout. He probably signs with Detroit who made him a huge offer but not 10 years.
I agree Dave, this move was to secure his want versus raise his ask.
Detroit no longer has that offer on the table. They signed Baez, in case you missed it. Torkelson/Miggy 1B, Schoop 2B, Baez SS, Candelario 3B. Remaining money will be for P.
They may have to trade for the other SPer. I agree with Detroit having their SS. I’d rather have Baez & Bryant for $300 million versus just Correa for $350.
Detroit would be in on Correa if Correa had “circled back” for their final 10 year 275M offer, Hiring Boros closes that door. The Tigers will sit out ’22 before they take less than 340M.
Correa will not be going to Detroit now with Boros looking for another record deal… Their 10 year 275 offer was the highest deal on the table for Correa.
A little compromise on both sides and that deal would have closed.
Boros probably closes that deal.
Detroit already spent their budget so is probably out on Correa.
That should do it. No doubt the $300MM+ offers will just fill up his inbox now that he’s changed agents.
Lol
Boras never stops working, and is not above poaching if the dollars are there. Expect a lot more Jon Heyman-floated rumors about Correa now.
Not above attempting to poach regardless. 1 thing this time.. No chance he’ll try to top the record single season salary, but won’t stop him from fishing around for record total dollars if he can get it. Like u said Mike.. boras is 1 thing.. Poacher and big time at that.
Enter – the Mystery Team! Offers for 15 years $500M from a Mystery Team – John Heyman.
@Yankee Clipper- yes, let that “mystery team” sign Correa for 15 years, $500 million. Just as long as that team is not the Yankees. I can’t imagine watching this cheater play on my favorite team for the next 15 years. Hopefully we can sign Story for 5 years. Story is a better guy then Correa. Correa can go elsewhere. Lol.
There is no actual mystery team. Boras uses his plants in the media to push stories that would theoretically drive up the asking price on players.
Boras has messed up a couple times for some clients, but overall the dude knows what he’s doing. I’m amazed that the same tricks continue to work, but good for him
Story of the cheating Rockies?
Too funny. The Astros learned how to cheat from the Yankees. Beltran brought the system the Yankees had been using since 2015 to the Astros in 2017.
” Could ” the Mystery Team” be the coffee getter or the shoeshine boy @ the Boros Corp?!
Inquiring minds want to know lol!
Offers not to his liking?
Haha. Guess the other agency dropped the ball.
Seems like the standard move these days, once you reach optimal earning potential Mr Boras takes over. I wonder how long it will be before agents have 16 -18 year olds signing a penalty clause for switching agencies?
Have to think those teams who were thinking of offering a higher AAV and shorter term deal are probably out of the running for correas services
The Agent changed. Not the Market. Boras relationship with the Nats increases their chances slightly. That’s about it though. No reason to bid against yourself.
Boras will create a market…I believe he got the Rangers to bid against themselves for Arod
that’s frigid!
Boras is the highest paid person in baseball. His company made $160M in commissions last year. Boras pocketed $100M of that for himself. Not saying it’s a good thing, or a bad thing. Rather I just think it’s an interesting fact.
Not a fact. While Boras corporation made $160 million in commissions, Boras himself made about $27 million in 2021. His agency earns 5% of his clients contracts so you do the math as to how much money he made his clients.
No sense in arguing numbers when Boras Corp. also provide a lot of other services. Their revenue streams doesn’t end with salary commissions.
It’s funny when people comment on things they have no clue about and get totally busted when someone does the basics. You can’t BS MATH——Andrew Yang! Good job!
I don’t get this idea that Boras makes his clients money. Like they wouldn’t get paid anyway without him?. At best Boras gets his clients slightly more than any other agent would (and this is debatable). The fact that he “made his clients” so much money is laughably inaccurate.
A quick google search would show you how much he makes annually. He had $2.3B in contracts. Your five percent math is off of his earnings, not his contracts….
Agents make 5% commission on contracts. That is what the Boras Corporation makes of its clients contracts..
Read what you Google then comment.
“Boras secured a total of $3.2 billion for his clients—30% more than in 2019—netting his Boras Corporation more than $160 million in commissions.”
From Forbes about the 2020 season. forbes.com/sites/jasonbelzer/2020/12/22/the-worlds…
Boras Corporation has 75 full-time employees and contracts with many more,
Boros is making a lot more than 5% on those deals. His net worth is very high. All agents are not equal in skills and performance just like all players are not equal.
No. He isn’t. The agent contract calls for 5% commissions. That is what Boras’ agency gets paid as a percentage of MLB player contracts. Its not something that is up for debate or argument. Its a fact.
Boras has been an agent for 30 years and you are assuming that his net worth is made up of just the commissions his agency makes. Ever heard of investments?
The fact that you can’t spell his name is telling.
The math does not add up. Boros’s net worth is very high in almost half a billion. Boros is making a lot more than 5% on those deals.
Even a piddling $30M can easily become a half billion with just 30 years of compound interest. Frankly it’s shocking that Boras has a net worth so low at his age with the length of his career, but I guess he spends a lot.
Correa cold hearted
Interesting. Bora$$ gets his clients paid. But not always, and the market for Correa is pretty small given his asking price. It could get even smaller with Bora$$ as his agent. But lockout or no lockout, jumping agencies in the middle of a free agent market does not happen often. Have to think Correa was not real happy with his previous agency and the offers he was getting.
I agree it shrank his market. I’ve kept seeing rumors dodgers have interest. I don’t think we have ever signed a boras client that wasn’t a resign of one of our own guys.
I stand corrected, we haven’t signed one in the Friedman era
Had to switch because MLBPA is moving to have William Morris Endeavor decertified for buying all the minor league teams.
I heard from a friend of a friend that he was really upset that his market went cold, apparently he hasn’t receive any offers at all since the end of November.
So makes sense that he made the switch
I see you.
My feelings would not be hurt to see Mr. Correa without a date for the dance, come opening day.
LOL
Yes but the switch to Boras, who’s going to demand even more money, doesn’t help. Higher $ demands will push more suitors away.
Being that the MLB lockout started Dec. 1, no one could have made him any offers anyway after November.
Yes that was the joke
The grabbing hands grab all they can.
Everything counts in large amounts
Shiz, I got that song playing in the background as we speak! Ha
“It’s a competitive world”
@ayrbhoy, growing up, I was told AND saw for myself “It’s a Small World After All” maybe that could be added….?
Love the song, but they’re hypocritical. I’ll bet going to a ballgame is far cheaper than going to Depeche Mode concert. Everyone tries to get the most they can get away with…Correa, Borass, Depeche Mode, everybody!
Wow, William Morris agency gets left holding a bag of…..nothing. No comish for you
11 years, 350MM.
I could see this. I think he will be closer to $330, but $341-$350 isn’t out of the question with Boras. The real question is: who pays? Nats maybe?
Its not wonder that Correa changed agents and I would think that all of WME’s clients will have to change.
William Morris may have all it agents de-certified by the MLBPA because they bought minor league teams in contravention of the agreement they signed to be agents for MLB players.
Of course he does
Mets new Second baseman?
The best SS in the AL is moving to 2b?!!! I forgot this comment is coming from Mets land!
If they offer him the biggest contract, he’s moving to second base in a second, trust me.
They already have three potential second basemen (Cano, McNeil, and Escobar) and need pitching. I can’t imagine they even attempt to pursue him.
Well then, move him to pitcher.
Your comment made me laugh out loud. With the cold and the snow here in Michigan I needed that..
haha, problem solved!
That’s just ridiculous…. he will play third
That article by Drellich explains exactly why he dumped WME for Boras. WME may not be in the agent business for MLB players very long after breaking the rules and buying all those minor league teams.
IMO they’re playing the long game. Legitimize minor league ball into a big entertainment draw and build relationships with young minor league players. Those kids will eventually be part of MLBPA and they get to vote whether WME can represent players with a spin-off “independent” arm.
Not likely. Its a conflict of interest so the MLBPA will never allow agents to own professional teams. WME has to choose which it will do.
Why would that really matter to him if they were able to secure him a massive contract now? Additionally, why would he wait until now to make the change?
Yankees just bought a ss
Tigers bought 2 more as well.
Andrelton Simmons? Surely you don’t mean Carlos because that’s laughable at this point.
I’d go back to Jim Crane and work on a 1 year deal. Become a free agent again after 2022 at age 28. Bogaerts & Turner are both free agents to be, that puts the Red Sox and Dodgers potentially in the hunt. With another year in the minors for Volpe and Peraza the Yankees will have a better handle on them, and might put them in the hunt as well. Nationals will be another year through their rebuild and will only have Strasburg and Corbin under guaranteed contract for 2023. Correa signing might be the key to getting Juan Soto (another Boras client) to sign long term. So many possibilities, stay with the ‘stros for one more year.
zero chance this happens.
zero…harsh…probably true….but harsh……lol. Without that possibility, in this offseason, the Yankees are only going to sign him if his price drops to the bargain bin, the Astros are not going to increase their offer and the Sox, Dodgers and Phils probably will stay out. That leaves Boras convincing Rizzo that the Nats should bring in Correa to team with Soto to build around. Maybe he gets his $330M with $100M of it deferred. The Nats did that with Scherzer, they deferred $105M. Scherzer gets $ 15M per year 2022-2028 from the Nationals. Hmm, Scherzer will be pitching for the Mets against the Nationals with over 25% of his pay coming from the Nationals.
I’m curious what his market has looked like. Your idea at first seems ridiculous, but with his injury history he could actually do wonders for his market if he managed to stay healthy for another full year. I’m sure plenty of teams are scared of his injury history.
He’s the consensus top hitter free agent. That risk by going on a one-year is far too great. See Juan Gonzalez and Tigers.
One example. Really? How about Schwarber? How about Ray? Two current FA who took a one year make good, and it seems to have worked out for them.
Seager has played 116 games less than Correa over the past 7 seasons, has 513 PA less, and has not been as good overall and he just signed for 10/325.
If injury history was going to keep Correa from getting paid, it would have surely kept Seager from getting paid.
No chance of Dodgers being involved, Wampum. None.
I wonder what a one-year deal for Correa would cost. $50M? More?
Correa is in panic mode. He obviously knows more than we do as to what the remaining, would-be suitors are offering, and those price ranges are obviously not to his liking. I wouldn’t be surprised if he doesn’t beat Seager’s $305 million at this point.
He isn’t as good as Seager so that makes sense to me.
@Dipsmith22, Nope. Correa is better than Seager. Much better. He has also been healthier than Seager. Played nearly a full season more games and put up a 40 PERCENT higher WAR.
baseball-reference.com/players/c/correca01.shtml#b…
baseball-reference.com/players/s/seageco01.shtml#b…
His market is so small, and I know it only takes one team, but who has a need that dire and is willing to push 300M chips in front of him? As the Sargent said in Platoon, “I got a bad feeling about this one, Sarge.” Correa is a FA you wish on your rival.
Huh? I wouldn’t wish Correa on a rival; I’d wish him on my team. As a Dodger fan, I would consider Correa an upgrade over Seager, though that probably won’t happen with Trea Turner on board. I love everything about Correa’s game and think he’ll be better longer than Seager or Turner. It’s a given that he’s far superior to both on defense.
Leverage is on the side of the club/s right now. However many clubs out there willing and able to spend north of $300 million were already few and far between. Now there’s even fewer, and possibly non-existent.
Only the Phils would pay that much because they have it, it’s not Dave Dombrowski’s, and he’s happy to spend it. Plus, whoever signs him loses a draft pick, and DD is not afraid to give up prospects.
I would be panicking too if my agent, William Morris Endeavor, was about to be decertified by the MLBPA and would not be able to represent me in negotiations for what will be one of the top contracts this offseason. I would be stressing who my agent would be and act as quickly as possible to head off the chance of not having one when the lockout is lifted. He did that.
WME just got Bob Sugar’d!
Whew, now I hope that takes him off the Phillies list………..( I know Harper, Hoskins, Bohm…)
But I think we all feel Correa is looking to get P A I D…. Those funds could be better allocated elsewhere…
Well, that will eliminate the Cubs as a landing spot. They aren’t getting into any faux Boras bidding wars.
Thinking the same thing.
Ha. Of Course He Does
Trevor Story is deeply grateful. You just inflated his market. Who needs Correa bad enough to deal with Boras?
Agree, I think this opens the door for a 4yr way high avg deal until @33 then he can come back for a position move deal and another 4yr deal………
I don’t think he’s going to want to enter free agency at the apex of his decline years. This is his career contract. It’s either 1 year, high AAV, or it’s all about the aggregate total, with opt out/s.
This guy does NOT want to have to put in 100% effort ever again. Play hard and through minor bumps and bruises 2 years in a row?!?!? The hell you think this is….2002?
He’s already squeezed the Rangers for 500M, might as well complete the trifecta with Correa. Seager to 3B.
solaris602- I couldn’t agree with you ever more. Better to save the $ and sign Story than make a play for Correa. Boras is a nightmare. Expect Correa to sign a 12 or 13 million contract for at least $33-35 annually. I do think he is National bound. I would steer clear of Correa.
Signing Story instead of Correa would be settling for a lesser player. If the Nats add Correa, they’ll be back in the championship picture relatively soon.
@Cey Hey- if you want Correa on the Dodgers you can have him. If the Dodgers keep spending their money like this, then expect a salary cap in baseball. Is that what you really want? Yes, Correa is definitely a better player then Story. But he will be an “expensive headache” for any team he signs with. Boras is a nightmare to deal with also. I can see the Nationals or Dodgers signing Correa for 12 or 13 years, at $35 million a year.
Yeah, I think I would’ve steered clear before this anyway, but Boras-Correa marriage solidifies a few things:
1). He is not taking less than Seager
2). He is not going for any short-term, high AAV as has been proposed by some
3). He isn’t going to sign unless & until a team meets his demands. Boras won’t be pressured.
I mostly agree with you, but (my Phillies) Harper and Strasburg went with what was best for them. Boras will do first what his clients want and second he go to the moon to get anything else they want……
I hope he enjoys his new job at Dick’s Sporting Goods.
Correa may be a free agent like Keuchel until after the draft…
On a 1 yr prorated deal
The two players are nothing alike.
Most teams won’t sign him to a one yr before the draft, because of the loss of pick and $ to sign those picks.
13/$420
I hope he’s the first 20-year signing for Boston.
If anyone will sign him to a stupid contract it’s the Yankees.
News of this hits and Hal kicks over the [cheap] bottle of champagne, now knowing there’s no chance at his feckless hope of signing Correa for a reduced, clearance shelf price.
Hal then realizes he won’t have to spend any money at all because Correa will certainly go elsewhere, and gleefully purchases another yacht (on sale).
Correa is really, really good at baseball, and he’s a free agent at an amazingly young age, who just signed the greatest sports agent in history. So stop being ridiculous, Correa is getting paid, and if it’s your team, don’t pretend anymore that you’re not stoked. Correa makes ANY team A LOT better.
Exactly. All these Correa bashers will change their tune in a hurry should their team sign him.
I don’t think anyone will honestly say he doesn’t make their team better. That’s stupid. Most of what I’ve seen references the money that will be owed him coupled with the years it will be due to him, which will impact their roster decisions for years, negatively in many ways. Translation: signing Correa will make many in ownership/management fail to adequately improve their team when necessary in years to come.
Thats not Correa’s fault, just the reality of how contemporary ownership operates, with exception of a few select teams, like LAD, Nats some years, Rangers this year, etc.
Some may not like him because he cheated and that’s okay too. Morals are unpopular, but they’re good.
I agree. For sure he’d help my Phillies, I just feel the $ could be better spent elsewhere….
Cpdpoet: precisely, and I think one of the most common themes we are seeing amongst most competitive teams is that none are one big acquisition (ie, Correa) away from a championship. Most (excluding LAD) teams have several holes, and for $200-$300M can fill those existing deficiencies with top-tier talent, plus supplement SP or another key area.
I would much rather that than bank on Correa, especially if he gets injured, then all that money is tied up in him and you get zero performance benefit.
Where exactly and on whom?
The Phillies have a black hole at SS. Gregorius produced a negative WAR and there is no one to take his place after 2022. What would improving 8 WAR at SS do to their chances of winning?
No doubt that the Phillies need bullpen help, but doing that would not be precluded by signing Correa. After the addition of Knebel they are still only at $170 million in payroll. With revenue of over $430 million, they can afford to both sign Correa and a couple good relievers.
Can you share the Phillies’ organizational expenditures? You must have that information as well, to make a statement like you did.
Still won’t get the 350 million that he thinks he’s getting
does anyone actually read the article before commenting, or do you all just see Boras and your mind is already made up?
Sweet comment @dray16….
Boras has turned salaries and rules on their arse for years….As a Phillies fan, I know what he did and manipulated other loopholes…(yeah JD Drew…?)
.Is the attorney a bad person or a purveyor for his clients…? I hated him at points, then after graduating from Law School, I realized he just simply found the loopholes previously agreed to and took advantage of them….
If you were injured and he was an injury attorney…heeeelloooo…..
I don’t see that Boras is that great. He gets clients who are in for big payouts, big payouts. He basically accomplishes what is going to happen with or without him anyway.
Was that the Dougie Jones hello??!!
If so that’s a great reference
For all Cubs fans, better loose your expectations of getting Correa, no matter what (as I never got tricked by the probabilities of the Cubs getting him). Cubs are never being able to get too much love from Boras and his clients. Whatever offer Cubs put on the table, Boras will use it to get, at least, a same offer from any of the rest of the teams. No Correa for the lovable loosers.
I was just going to say. With this news, Cubs are no longer in the running to get Correa.
Cubs clearly will not get into any long term commitments. Any Correa signing feels like a bad marriage waiting to happen. Sure you’re going to have a great honeymoon, but once things settle in you’ve got yourself a real Peg Bundy.
Lose.
You must not follow the Cubs or the lore of what you termed the “lovable loosers”. You may not have noticed. Jed got rid of almost everyone of value at the trade deadline. In years before the Theo regime, the Cubs upper management and ownership were known for holding onto certain marquee players to bring fans to the stands and keep them watching their “lovable losers” on WGN, the superstation of the Chicago Cubs!
You probably haven’t watched the Central Division standings in the National League the last 5 or 6 years as the Cubs have been far from “loosers” as you put it.
I agree with others who state that Correa will be a bottleneck for building teams as his contract will be Yuuuuge. I don’t see the Cubs as losers if they don’t sign them. I’ll applaud them if they don’t sign him.
Hang on there bub. The Cubs got rid of big names, not “everything of value.” Quite arguable that those big names were consistently underperforming. When the name becomes bigger than the production it was time to cut bait. Signing Correa would be a step back. If they are going to open up the checkbook, I’m driving up the price on Freddie Freeman.
So now what happens? Boras touts Correa as “today’s equivalent of Honus Wagner”? Then, if the ridiculous offers don’t come in, he suggests collusion?
Sounds about right
Probably some report about a mystery team tossed in there.
dougdeb@hotmail.com whoever signs this guy will regret it. First off If he does good everyone will think he’s cheating. Fans will boo him the rest of his playing days. Once he gets paid he will just do the minimum to collect all that money. I pity the team that gets him. Dude should of been banned from MLB years ago. I’ll go out on a limb and say St Louis 3 years 75 million but will probably resign with Houston because they love cheaters there.
So much wrong with this comment. You hate Correa, we get it.
I don’t care about the cheating anymore. MLB decided they didn’t want to take on the MLBPA to punish those players, so it’s past time to move on from that, for me.
I wouldn’t want the team I root for to sign Correa if it ends up being anything in the range of the projected 10/300 ish type deal. That’s a lot of money to lock into a single player, especially one with some injury concerns already.
Correa is a good player and he improves basically every team in MLB, I just don’t think he ends up a wise investment in the long term.
Elite production from both sides out of Seager and Correa??? I think elite is a bit of a stretch both offensively and defensively for both guys. They’re good players but elite they are not.
Mystery, have you ever seen a baseball game? Seager and Correa are not elite and Babe Ruth was an ok hitter?
So you’re comparing their production to Babe Ruth?? Sure my man if you say so but let me ask you, have you ever seen a baseball game because that may be the silliest comparison ever? Those guys can’t even play a full season never mind put up numbers like that and they never will. $325 million for decent offensive production.
Players in Ruth’s era weren’t as good as today’s players. Being a baseball player wasn’t even considered a respectable profession. That’s a big reason why Ruth dominated. The competition stunk.
Boras will try to get him more money then Detroits best offer and Seagers deal.Imo the 200 million ship has sailed this yr.Teams who have a history of spending are all pretty much over budget except SF,Det,Chi,LAD & Tor.Detroit probably moved on after signing Baez.Cubs are rebuilding and why would they spend on Correa and let their own hero’s walk?Dodgers & Tor don’t need Correa because they have better options present.That leaves SF and and it’s my opinion team won’t go past 5 yrs on anyone.Correa should of taken the Tigers offer.I bet he signs for 1 yr and comes back next yr to try again
Together at last. The least likable FA is finally paired up with the least likable agent.
Boras is great.
I don’t get the trashing of Correa as a player….just as a player., not a person If you don’t want him on your team because of the cheating scandal, I get that, But he’s coming off a 7.2WAR season, and those are in very short supply. Sure, he will be overpaid for too long, But that production is formidable. As a Yankee fan….I’d rather not. I’d prefer a stopgap and let’s see if the kids can do it later this year or next, and the Yankees have too much tied up in other long term contracts. But Correa can play.
It will be interesting to see if Boras overplays his hand again. Doesn’t appear there are any teams left needing a SS that are paying 300M.
You summed it up well. Simple and to the point. It was always a game of musical chairs and Houston appears to be the only possible chair left, and even they may stay in house.
Correa signing on with Borass pretty much zeroes out the chance of re-upping with Houston. Borass will find a way to get another team to pay much more than the Astros were willing to pay.
Bad decision. He should have picked me. I would have got him a $1 trillion contract. Oh well, best of luck earning $i1MM per year.
Whoever is foolish enough to sign this guy based on contract projections we are seeing will seriously regret it.
He was pretty mediocre for 3 prior seasons to last year.
Top 5 in the game in 2020-2021. 4.5 WAR per season the 3 seasons before that which is top 8 in baseball. Not sure what your definition of mediocre is.
I was still hoping that Houston could make this work. I know….HUGE long shot. I think this confirms that he’s gone. I hope that Pena is truly ready or that they’re able to sign Story.
The issue with Correa is he’s always injured. The talent is there, if you can over look the cheating scandal, but how can you over look the fact the dude is never on the field? If I owned a team I’d be wary of him because of that.
Correa is top 3 in WAR, which is a cumulative stat meaning the more you play the higher the WAR you can accrue, and top 10 in games played at his position over his career. He is also an extremely young player so he will be in his prime for half of any new deal he signs. If I owned a team that is exactly the kind of player I want.
I’m a believer in being strong up the middle. Correa is as good as it gets at one of those crucial positions. Defense. Offense. Leadership. Able to handle pressure. And yes, he’s in the middle of his prime. As for the cheating stuff, people need to give it a rest. Players on other teams are not morally superior to those Astros.
Wait Eppler has been working as an agent? I know it’s different but you can understand why this mets fan is worried about that
He didn’t represent any players. He was brought in to expand baseball operations and his exact responsibilities were never released. He was in the role a couple of months.
I have said it before and I’ll say it again, the team that signs Correa to a 10 year+, 300+ million dollar contract is going to regret it.
I’d give him 10/$100M with a team option after 5 years. He has to buy his own garbage can.
Kind of glad to hear this. Means the chances of the Cubs signing him are lower. Crazy to sign him for 10 year/300M+ If the Cubs have cash, would rather they spread it around.
Trevor Story welcomes this development.
This type of move is a slap in the face to every agent. Like hey, I went out of my way to believe in you and represent you, and then when payday comes, you fire me and hire boras. Semien just did the same thing and I’m sure their agents are thrilled.
Well, so much for his asking price going down. I know the Cubs had interest in him, but now since Boras is his agent, will that deter them from pursuing him, knowing his asking price will either stay the same or go a bit higher?
Media propaganda only. Cubs were never serious about paying Correa. They just want Cubs fans to believe that garbage. Sure, if he took a shorter term deal, then maybe. But everyone knew Correa wasn’t interested in that, even prior to going to bed with Boras.
Hell I could say that I’m going to sign him if that’s the criteria.
Wait, Seager offers “elite production on both sides of the ball”? You really can’t compare Seager’s defense with Correa. In fact, Seager is average at best on D.
Seager is a below average fielding SS. Correa is top 5.
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Funny how so many players only go to Boras once they get close to free agency.
Do you people watch baseball?Seager gobbles everything he puts his hands on.Steady smooth and fundamentally sound who hits lh with xtra base potential in the gaps.Correa doesn’t have the range he once did and he certainly doesn’t make highlight reels like he used too.Correa will move off SS before Seager.When’s the last time you seen Correa go into the 6-5 hole deep and throw a runner out without setting up.Some people say he plays smarter and makes it to the playoffs healthier.I agree it’s smart when your as talented as Correa is.But I’m telling you those plays that used to be outs.He’s gloving the ball and checking the runners then calling time.4 yrs ago he would jump up off balanced and get that out every now and then with god given athleticism.Correct me if I’m wrong but Correas fielding is safe with little mistakes.Great SS,I would say no.Steady makes the plays your suppose too and that’s exactly what he is.
Analytical stats have Correa as MUCH better than Seager. The stats show that Seager is in decline there, not Correa. Your eye test is failing you.
Defensive WAR is ridiculous.
12-17-2012, 11:59 PM
This is an example of why I think WAR is a VERY unreliable stat.
First of all, first base is a position where nobody really cares about defense. let’s get that out of the way. Guys are there for their offense. if two first basemen have similar offensive stats, then they had similar seasons. period. Yet, look at this:
2005 Carlos Delgado 160 OPS+ 4.6 Offensive WAR.
2007 Albert Pujols 157 OPS+ 5.4 Offensive WAR.
The two seasons are comparable, if not identical. In fact, Delgado actually had a HIGHER OPS+ than Pujols, so you can make a case that he had the better season. What amazes me is that, somehow, Delgado ends up with 2.5 WAR for the season, and Pujols ends up with 8.5 (!!!)
That’s right, somehow, after defense is added, at a position where nobody cares about defense, Delgado ends up a mediocre player, while Albert ends up the best player in the league.
Is there enough first base defense in the world to turn a player from an average player to the best in the league? Apparently so.
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Stop the WAR?
What are the weaknesses of the wins above replacement stats in baseball?
They’re the best one-size-fits-all stats we’ve got, but there’s a reason not to use them as a be-all, end-all. They’re conversation starters as much as conversation enders.
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dWAR is scaled such as to make it immediately apparent that a shortstop is more valuable defensively than a first baseman, adjusting everything around a “replacement defender.” On the one hand, this is necessary to allow the stat to compare, say, Manny Machado to Paul Goldschmidt. On the other, it makes it difficult to pull up Don Mattingly’s page and say whether his negative dWAR means the stats disagree with his sterling defensive reputation or that the positional adjustment is just that large.
As a counting stat, WAR systematically undervalues catchers, who play in ~130 games per season.
Replacement value is an assumed level of performance, baselined to a .400 winning percentage in the player’s run environment. Defensive replacement value is baselined to average performance at the position, under the assumption that gloves who can’t hit are easier to find than bats are. If you adjust replacement level, you can see significant shifts in the numbers.
Correa is a great talent but he can’t seem to stay health. Take away his rookie year and the Covid year and here is the number of games he played each year:
2916 153
2017 109
2018 110
2019 75
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2020 148
For a guy who is 26 he should be averaging at least somewhere in the 140 range a year, not in the 120’s. Lets someone else take the risk at that cost and number of years.