The Padres were relatively quiet during the pre-lockout portion of the offseason, at least by A.J. Preller’s usual aggressive standards. The club’s trade of Adam Frazier to the Mariners stands as San Diego’s biggest move of the winter, and that deal was surely motivated at least in part by the $7.2MM Frazier is projected to earn in salary arbitration.
Though the next collective bargaining agreement could change the luxury tax rules, for now the Padres’ hefty salary commitments (roughly $214.7MM for 2022, as per Roster Resource) continues to influence the front office’s activities. The Padres already exceeded the $210MM luxury tax threshold in 2021, and would face a repeater penalty of a 30% surcharge on the overage if they surpassed whatever the threshold is in 2022. It isn’t clear what San Diego’s salary ceiling might actually be, though The Athletic’s Dennis Lin (multiple links) notes that another “major hike” would require owner Peter Seidler to get a green light from the franchise’s minority owners.
As such, the Padres’ spending will probably be limited to some extent, as Lin has “a hard time seeing the Padres taking on another contract approaching nine figures” while the contracts of Eric Hosmer and Wil Myers are still on San Diego’s payroll. Both Hosmer and Myers have been mentioned in trade rumors for well over a year, as the Friars have looked for creative ways of unloading either player’s hefty salary. Hosmer is the more expensive of the duo, owed $59MM through the 2025 season while Myers is owed $21MM in 2022 ($20MM in salary and a $1MM buyout of a $20MM club option for 2023).
As Lin simply puts it, “there are a lot of moving parts to this offseason.” Getting at least one of Hosmer or Myers off the books could unlock a lot of possibilities for the Padres, who have already been linked to such notable free agents as Nick Castellanos and Kris Bryant. While this interest could have just been due diligence, it does indicate that San Diego is at least checking in to see what it would to add another pricey, top-tier name to the roster.
There has been much speculation that the Padres could try to trade Hosmer or Myers by including a top prospect in the deal, as a rebuilding team with payroll space might be willing to eat some salary in order to essentially buy a blue chip minor leaguer. The Padres discussed Hosmer with the Rangers and Cubs at the trade deadline, with Robert Hassell III reportedly part of the negotiations with Texas, and Lin writes that catching prospect Luis Campusano was part of the Hosmer talks with Chicago.
The catch of such a trade, however, is that while the Padres would be lightening their salary load, they would also be losing a controllable young player that is all the more valuable to a team with such a luxury tax burden. The club has already dipped into its prospect depth for other trades, to the point that Lin reports that rival teams now focus their asks only on San Diego’s top minor leaguers, with Hassell and CJ Abrams receiving most of the attention. With this in mind, Lin is doubtful if the Padres would deal any of their best prospects, or the likes of Trent Grisham or Jake Cronenworth on the MLB roster.
beyou02215
Everyone but the Padres could see that Hosmer was a horrible idea when they signed him.
downeysoft42
I do agree really. But at the time they needed some sort of middle of the order hitter, sure he’s not nessecarilly that, but at the time I think he was one of the best options they could get. Gram him and his glove, grab manny and his glove and pencil 2 spots in for the future. We definitely all saw this day coming where he would never hit even close to his value and other options would pop up. But at the time I know I didn’t blame them for trying to add talent to that Lineup that didn’t have much else to offer. Or I’m completely wrong who knows, someone prove me wrong please lol.
Deleted_User
The problem was they had young guys who could play 1B. Like Naylor.
1984wasntamanual
You admitted in your post that he’s not the things they needed (or paid for)…you are in the very, very small majority that didn’t instantly think that was an awful contract.
RodBecksBurnerAccount
They had Wil Myers at 1B already at the time they signed Hosmer. It made zero sense to sign Hosmer
rememberthecoop
But I recall them signing him more so for his leadership with the younger guys. Hosmer was said to be the best clubhouse guy in MLB at the time. Allegedly.
1984wasntamanual
$144m for leadership? Bad investment.
Franco27
People seem to forget he had a very good year in 2017, a year before he signed with the Padres. They felt like he was coming into his prime years and getting better. How many teams overpay because a player has a good year on his free agent year. The other thing is, yes had a down year offensively last year (many good players did also Yelich, Bellinger, Betts to name a few) but his 2019, 2020 years weren’t bad at all.
Because of his contact, fans and media tend to come down harder because they believe he should be putting up bigger numbers.
1984wasntamanual
They paid him to be 2017 Hosmer through the duration of his contract…the problem is that season was the outlier. He had 2 good seasons out of 7 and 2017 saw his best babip of his career. I don’t remember anyone at the time, other than maybe Padres’ fans thinking that was sustainable or that this contract was anything other than a disaster waiting to happen.
In 2019 he had a 92 wRC+. That’s below league average and he plays first base. That is awful. He was 19th out of 20 qualifying 1b that year.
JoeBrady
…the problem is that season was the outlier.
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That’s it in a nutshell. He was pretty mediocre until 2017. His career bWAR was 1.9/650 PAs. Every single year, a GM will pay someone off of a career year, and this was it.
tstats
Betts had a fine season but I digress
Cosmo2
They bid against themselves on Hosmer. Plenty of folks were scratching their heads over that contract at the time; it was terrible the moment it was signed.
wtylerw
Hosmer continues to hit RHP, no negative value if hes used effectively. there is no reason to lose a guy like Campusano for a guy still producing at solid levels if put in the right situations by his manager – with plenty of rh bats already on the roster. $60 million for 4 years is not an albatross.
Deleted_User
lol
padreforlife
That’s genius Preller at work
User 3663041837
Good luck getting that Hosmer contract off the books.
solaris602
It’s very Padres to be focused on getting rid of 1 or 2 albatrosses so they can overpay two other guys for too many years and be looking for someone to take those contracts off their hands in 3 or 4 years.
Geebs
Who would you rather have, Myers on 1 year 22.5mil (plus 1 mil buy out) or Grichuk at 2/21??
bobtillman
I watch the AL East extensively, and don’t think the metrics reflect accurately re: Grichuk; he’s at least passable, even in CF. OTOH, Myers will be in a contract year.
Interesting choice.
mlb1225
I think I’d take Myers for 1 year. Myers is both underrated and at the same time overpaid. He’s certaintly not worth $20-$23 million a season, but he’s not that bad. He has consistently sat in the 110-115 OPS+ range. The only years he hasn’t is 2014 when he only played 87 games, and 2019.
Geebs
In terms of which player I would rather have its Myers but I mean who’s contract would you rather have if your either team. If you’re the Jays maybe you want Myers because the contract would be off the books sooner and the 26 man spot would be opened up. If you’re the Pads maybe you want Grichuk to spread out the committment, dip under the LXTax and maybe have some wiggle room for more moves. Just thinking out loud.
CNichols
@mlb1225 that’s spot on analysis on Myers. He’s not a bad player, his contract just significantly overpays him in relation to his performance so people think he’s a lot worse than he is. He’s a decent starting corner OF option.
Short season weirdness is probably somewhat responsible for this, but he actually got a couple MVP votes in 2020 and ended up 16th in NL MVP voting. He’s definitely the better player if you can stomach the overpayment.
I actually think after 2022 when he’s playing on a cheaper contract with lower expectations, whoever ends up with him will be happy.
DarkSide830
Hosmer’s AAV drops to $13 after this year, and his bat isnt horrid for a DH. think they can find a taker after this year.
Franco27
If they would pay say 7m of his salary this year, they would find a taker.
Yankee Clipper
If they attach a prospect like Cumpansano they should be able to find a taker, I’d imagine. I could see the Yankees looking at that seriously because they need real catching options & they also need a capable 1B.
emac22
Not as confident after watching cash make poor teams kick in cash to make in season trades but I like the idea.
Yankee Clipper
Yeah, emac, I hear that. I honestly don’t know what to think of Cashman anymore. I always held him in high esteem among GMs, but sheesh, these last several offseasons (Cole the obvious exception), I can’t get a feel for his planning.
I wouldn’t mind if they took on Manny Machado’s contract from the Pads though. That wouldn’t be a bad thing, although it’s a pipe dream. Just think, Yankees could’ve had both Machado & Harper in their lineup! What a devastating lineup that would have been.
Ducky Buckin Fent
Hosmer would be a terrible addition.
He is – at best – a slightly above average hitter. & that’s playing in SD which is one of the few places his grounder heavy approach can occasionally work. The Stadium is the complete opposite. With how crowded everything can get on the right side of the diamond, his “batting” would suffer even more.
Hosmer’s not even a very good first baseman anymore. 0 OAA in ’21 for example. I would much rather just roll the bones on Voit’s knee than pay Eric Hosmer $13 mil more in AAV. Even at the same salary I’d go with Luke. Hell. I’d pay Voit significantly more.
Hosmer is an extremely overpaid, declining player who is a bad fit offensively for us. He actually somehow *wouldn’t* benefit from the short porch & would be *harmed* by it.
I know you are trying to get us a good catching prospect, Clip. But I don’t think taking Hosmer is the way to do that.
Yankee Clipper
Yeah, Ducky, I didn’t mean to imply that would be my choice. Perhaps it was a bad example, as I didn’t look at his declining defense, but I think there’s a way they *could* dump Hosmer on a large-market team if they include prospects the prospective trade partner desires.
Trust me, I’d much rather just trade straight up for a better catcher defensively, and keep Sanchez as the co-catcher. The tandem of Sanchez/Contreras would be pretty darn good, although I don’t see it as realistic.
Hopefully Wells’ defense will pan out.
Ducky Buckin Fent
@Clip
Off topic: Why were comments not allowed on the Melendez article? 20 years old, man. Still a baby. Just a couple years older than my boy. My heart goes out to his family. To his father. They must be devastated.
Of course, prayers & positive thoughts for them.
Brew’88
@ Ducky They initially allowed comments but they soon turned insensitive and outright disgusting, so MLBTR had to omit them.
tstats
They got really bad
Ducky Buckin Fent
Sadly enough, I have posted some things that were pretty unnecessary myself. More than once. So I certainly can’t pass judgement.
But: I’ve a hard time seeing how a topic like that went off the rails, serious. Which is probably a good thing now that I think about it. Thanks for taking some time & explaining it, @Brewer & @tstats.
Usually this place is pretty fun & interesting. However, sometimes we (self included) are just flat out horrible & embarrassing. Ya know?
Deleted_User
When someone with no known preexisting health conditions dies at the age of 20 people are inevitably going to wonder how. The writers evidently didn’t want people speculating about the cause of death on that article.
After the Tyler Skaggs thing, people are naturally going to assume the worst.
Cosmo2
Some folks started bringing religion into the convo, pushing beliefs, and it got really weird, I’m guessing that had something to do with why it got shut down.
Ducky Buckin Fent
My grandfather used to say, “if you want to learn how to pray, go to war or sea.” In my experience, that is correct.
So: I do pray.
But I’ve not much use for organized religion. I just sorta cut out the middle man. I have been seeing examples of what you are talking about lately. Can’t say I am very impressed by either “side”.
kenly0
Yankees already have one of the best catching prospects in baseball.
Ducky Buckin Fent
AAV does not change year to year, Dark.
Contracts may be front or backloaded – thus changing the actual amount teams pay on a yearly basis – but the average annual value (calculated for CBT purposes) does not. Otherwise, teams would be pulling all matter of accounting shenanigans.
We can thank Hal Steinbrenner for teaching this important financial distinction to me. Because I just love accounting type stuff. So thrilling.
mlb1225
Hosmer has a 99 wRC+ since joining the Padres and .6 fWAR in his last 506 games. That seems like a pretty bad DH to me.
Cosmo2
Yea I never understand when a player who is losing value specifically because they can’t hit and folks start suggesting he’d make a good DH. Makes no sense but people make that suggestion in that situation all the time.
Deleted_User
Hosmer’s contract dropping to $13m doesn’t matter when he isn’t even near being worth that.
1984wasntamanual
His career average wRC+ comes in at 107. That’s pretty awful for a DH. Now if you, for some reason, think he’ll have one of his better seasons and be around 120-130, sure, that version of hosmer would be an ok DH. However, as MLB notes, his average has been even worse than the 107 these last few years.
bbatardo
Preller must be having withdrawals knowing he can’t make moves right now.
humphrey x boegarts
Must be tough being his family at the moment. “Where’s dinner, Dad?” “I traded it away for these sweet mag wheels”
JoeBrady
“But Dad, we already have two sets of mag wheels”
AlienBob
The M’s will take Wil Myers and CJ Abrams just to help out the Padres payroll. Myers can play 3B and a little CF for a year before he hits FA. Abrams will be a nice long-term piece next to JP Crawford.
seamaholic 2
Myers is about a one win player these days. One year of salary at $20m is something like a $10m or $12m swallow for an acquiring team. That’s a nice prospect but nowhere near Abrams.
SouthernBuc
Has Gore dropped in value enough that attaching him to Myers would be in the ballpark? I ask this mostly of Padre fans.
Deleted_User
No on trading Cy Gore for anything.
AlienBob
Abrams is a nice prospect but he has no where to play on the Padres and given he in still in AA he won’t help the M’s for at least a year.
Joey Slye-vermectin
Abrams can play OF
You also don’t give away a premium prospect with full team control just to unload a guy on a 1 year deal (Myers) especially with the DH coming to the NL.
AlienBob
Go read the article again. Attaching a premium prospect to one of these bad contracts is what it is all about. The Padres have to clear some payroll Nobody is going to take these guys straight up.
Joey Slye-vermectin
You mean the last sentence of the article that says “With this in mind, Lin is doubtful if the Padres would deal any of their best prospects, or the likes of Trent Grisham or Jake Cronenworth on the MLB roster.”
That part where it says Padres are unlikely to do so?
Also, have to? No. Would like to. Yes. Unloading cheaper contracts like Profar, Kim, Pomeranz, is probably more realistic.
AlienBob
I didn’t say it wouldn’t hurt. But the Padres have done deals with the M’s before and could use Myers and Abrams more than the Friers. Jerry Dipoto is on line one.
padreforlife
It’s what brain dead franchises would do
JoeBrady
like Profar, Kim, Pomeranz, is probably more realistic.
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You can move them, but it won’t help their payroll problem. Profar has almost $17M left, with 0.9 bWAR/650. Pomeranz is hurt and due $16M/2. For those two, you are pretty much picking up most of the salary anyway.
Kim you would still eat some salary, but even if you moved him, wouldn’t they still need a quality UIF?
Geebs
@seamaholic 2 “Myers is about a one win player these days. One year of salary at $20m is something like a $10m or $12m swallow for an acquiring team.”
This isn’t entirely true, the value of a win isn’t linear like that. 1 win guys are scattered all over the place in the minors and the back end of 26 man rosters, a win is worth 8-10 mil when it’s attached to a 4/5+ win player, so he’s even less valuable, like replacement level value.
Cap & Crunch
abg123- Nice to see a brain at work function correctly in here
JoeBrady
Yup. One of the things that get interchanged quite often is WAR/$. When it is a FA, especially one that is not easily replaced, then it is $8-9M. Once you get to the lower echelons, especially at 1B, you probably should have someone in the minors that can come close to replicating his numbers.
padreforlife
3B? Get real he tried that he stunk.
AlienBob
The M’s are considering a long-term investment in Kris Bryant who isn’t much better at 3B. Myers would be a shorter commitment and fills the same role until Abrams arrives. They also have Toro for 3B so Myers would be in a utility role at 3rd and CF. Dipoto loves guys that can play more than one spot.
Dennis Boyd
Alien, not sure which part of your take is worse. Padres giving up a top prospect for salary relief (which the author here says Padres likely won’t do) or that you think Seattle would make Myers a utility guy for 2 positions he has failed at in the past. I’m a fan of Myers, but he’s no CF and definitely not a 3B (three errors in a game)
tstats
First and COF at best for Myers at this point but won’t hit the positional weight
AlienBob
It doesn’t matter to me what position he plays. He is coming off the bench. The only reason for the trade is Abrams. The M’s can use Myers at DH for all care. He can play a little corner outfield and has experience at numerous positions. He is not a huge liability. He is a one year rental that will not block the kids and will not eat up five years of payroll.
AlienBob
Dipoto can pay half his salary and send him somewhere else for all I care.
Joey Slye-vermectin
M’s aren’t getting Abrams just by taking 1 year of Myers. Not worth it for the Padres.
Padres are likely to keep Myers and Hosmer. Padres could look to deal Hosmer next off season when his contract becomes 3 years 39 mill. Unlikely though.
Preller is more likely to move
Profar 2 years 15.6 mill with a 10 mill mutual option for 2024
Pomeranz 2 years 20 mill
Javia135
@AlienBob
The Padres politely say no thank you to your gracious offer! Now our counter offer: we will take the HUGE salary burdens of Frazier and Giles off your hands in return for Noelvi Marte. Get back to us. Thanks!
Javia135
Or Kirby.
AlienBob
Thanks but Dipoto is not foolish enough to get himself in Luxury Tax Hell. Besides Noelvi is going to be playing beside Abrams in the M’s infield in a couple years
Deleted_User
Lol on Myers at 3B or CF
bobtillman
Man. you folks are moving Abrams (who may, by next year, be the best prospect in baseball) pretty easily. He’s already in the top 10, and he’s still learning. MAYBE a bit short in the power department, but game-changing skills on both sides of the ball. In Dan O’Dowd’s world, an aircraft carrier; somebody you build around.
Just to save money? No way. Actually. IMHO, I don’t trade him for anybody. The floor is above average MLB regular; and he busts the ceiling.
padreforlife
Padres are so good under Preller developing prospects
A Seal
The thing is, they have to move Abrams to get rid of Hosmer.
Per baseballtradevalues.com. Hosmer is worth -50.7 million in trade value, in other words, he’s overpaid by 50 million for the remainder of his contract. Abrams is worth 68.3 million, Hassell is 32.2 million, Campusano is 25.1 million, and Gore is 13.9 million.
Basically, in order to move Hosmer, the Padres would need to either attach Abrams, eat most of his contract (which doesn’t guarentee anyone will want him anyways and makes the entire reason for moving him irrelevant), or attach one of their other top prospects and still eat some of his salary.
Javia135
It’s so funny how so many people on here are insisting that the Padres HAVE to trade Abrams. It’s just a coincidence that they are fans of teams that hate the Padres and would just LOVE to acquire Abrams on the cheap? Yeah, must be a coincidence.
You guys are insisting that the Padres trade a prospect who is basically a left handed Trea Turner with better defense and more power potential? I bet you are the same people who love to knock the Padres for making that trade too. But now they should? Need to? Let me ask: would you trade Trea Turner with 6-years of control worth over $68 million to get rid of $50 million in dead money? Or do you trade Campusano who, coincidentally, is worth exactly half of what Hosmer is owed?
Go ahead, try and tell me that YOU would trade Trea Turner. I don’t think so.
padreforlife
Been saying this nonsense for years trying to get rid of Myers and Hosmer
solaris602
And it’s hard to root for their success in doing so when the motivation is to go out and throw the savings at other free agents. Preller has a compulsion. Imagine him as your fiduciary.
JoeBrady
I’ve followed BB for > 50 years, and have never seen anything like this. I love trading on my roto teams, but even I am not this compulsive.
If you gave me the guys he traded away in the past three years, plus his $200M+ payroll, I might have the best team in baseball.
A Seal
Per baseballtradevalues.com. Hosmer is worth -50.7 million in trade value, in other words, he’s overpaid by 50 million for the remainder of his contract. Abrams is worth 68.3 million, Hassell is 32.2 million, Campusano is 25.1 million, and Gore is 13.9 million.
Basically, in order to move Hosmer, the Padres would need to either attach Abrams, eat most of his contract (which doesn’t guarentee anyone will want him anyways and makes the entire reason for moving him irrelevant), or attach one of their other top prospects and still eat some of his salary.
Tough decision.
Brew’88
Odd that the title of this article includes Campusano’s name. He isn’t discussed much at all.
Rsox
Campusano is no longer “valuable” to the Padres, as was made evident by the acquisition of Jorge Alfaro. If there is still a chance to package him off with Hosmer the Padres almost certainly will
DarkSide830
Alfaro was gotten for pennies. he isnt blocking Luis.
JoeBrady
DarkSide83
Alfaro was gotten for pennies. he isnt blocking Luis.
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Which begs the question of why they made the trade in the first place. They already traded for Caratini and Nola, and Campusano is already 23. So the Alfaro cost is ~ $3M, plus cash and a PTBNL. And I always thought Alfaro would be better than he is, but now the Padres have four catchers. This reminds me of the Frazier add.
Billy Baroo
The trade doesn’t make much sense to me either, but Alfaro’s salary isn’t guaranteed. They cut him in spring, it’s prorated.
So it’s the cash / PTBNL, which 99.5 times out of 100 is nothing / nobody, and a low 6 figure payout if they cut him. Preller might have been able to sign him as a FA if nobody else wanted him; then again, a rebuilding team might have thought he was worth a flyer.
On a scale of “listening to his analytics group and grabbing Cronenworth” to “signing Hosmer / signing Profar,” the Alfaro deal is dead center, neither good nor bad. Preller spent spare change on a lottery ticket.
Brew’88
@ Baroo. I think they signed Alfaro only because there’s one or more potential trades in the works involving one of the catchers (including Alfaro), and maybe they put Campusano out there (hope not). But your points are excellent, that signing Alfaro was low risk even if a trade doesn’t manifest before camp.
Franco27
If a team like the Cubs were offered Campusano along with Hosmer, and the Padres sent some cash to offset some of this year’s salary with Hosmer, I think they jump all over it. Cubs need young catching, I don’t think they re-sign Contreras.
Yankee Clipper
I thought the Cubs had a good catching prospect in the wings, no? Maybe…Amaya, I think? Could be off on the name.
Tom Emansk1
Yep, that’s him. Didn’t hit all that well at AA, got hurt, now he needs TJ and will probably miss most if not all of this season (could maybe DH for the last month of the season or so). Still a solid prospect but it pushes the timeline back. If the Cubs aren’t going to pay Willson, getting Campusano could make some sense. Trade Willson, go Gomes/Camp in 22, Gomes/Camp in 23, then Camp/Amaya in 24. Maybe trade Gomes at the 23 deadline if Amaya is ready.
394sd
I still think Hoz is definitely gone before the start of the season. A big indicator is that the Padres grabbed that catching prospect from the Marlins. My feeling is Preller has knowledge of team willing to take Hoz with Campusano.
That leaves so many fun and awesome options for the Padres. Could move Cronenworth to first and start Abrams at 2nd if he is ready OR they can get Bryant to play some second and move him to the outfield midway to bring up Abrams. Either way I see Abrams debuting in ‘22.
Make no mistake the Padres want Kris Bryant.
Deleted_User
Are you paying his contract? Cuz that’s the only way Hosmer is going anywhere.
A Seal
Per baseballtradevalues.com. Hosmer is worth -50.7 million in trade value, in other words, he’s overpaid by 50 million for the remainder of his contract. Abrams is worth 68.3 million, Hassell is 32.2 million, Campusano is 25.1 million, and Gore is 13.9 million.
Basically, in order to move Hosmer, the Padres would need to either attach Abrams, eat most of his contract (which doesn’t guarentee anyone will want him anyways and makes the entire reason for moving him irrelevant), or attach one of their other top prospects and still eat some of his salary.
Tough decision.
roob
Hosmer isn’t a good player in any situation for any team at any cost. He’s just a bad well below average first baseman. Better to give the job to a prospect with upside potential.
Javia135
Of course. Which is why a top prospect is attached. A career 108 OPS+ is easily hidden on a rebuilding team.
User 2079935927
It seemed like he was really good player with the Royals. What happened?
Franco27
Padre fans seem to absolutely hate this guy. Is he really that bad, or is this more about the contract and being over paid for his production? Looking at his numbers in 2019, 2020, didn’t seem that bad. Obviously last year was a down year, but it was for a lot of players around MLB.
CNichols
I’m assuming you’re talking about Hosmer? For context when he signed his deal with SD that was the biggest contract in franchise history, so the expectations were sky high and he’s just been all around terrible. There’s just so many reasons public sentiment is so bad for him in SD:
1. He’s been worth .6WAR over 4 seasons as a Padre and has made $84M so far. His contract is basically a complete waste because he’s replacement level performer.
2. Not only that, but he’s making so much money and has so much prestige value that the team doesn’t feel like they can bench him, so he takes play time away from other players who would actually have on field value.
3. He’s made public statements about how he doesn’t care about hitting the ball in the air or about making adjustments based on analytics to get better. He thinks he’s good enough already, which he clearly is not.
4. He’s done absolutely nothing to get involved in the SD community. Clevinger has played in like 4 games as a Padre and he feels like a bigger part of the SD community than Hosmer, which is crazy.
5. He was supposed to be a clubhouse leader but as of late the indications are that he’s actually a negative presence there.
Billy Baroo
Hosmer was good in 2020, but he didn’t even play all of that shortened season. Crap in the playoffs that year too, which doesn’t mean much, lots of players look worse or better than they really are in a short series.
He’s been a below-average offensive 1b since signing with the Padres every other year. Except for those 38 games in 2020, it’s a 99 OPS+ and 17 HR,
SportsFan0000
Padres SHOULD NOT TRADE SS CJ Abrams (who should be moved to CF) OF
Robert Hassell III , OR TOP CATCHING PROSPECT Luis Campusano who is already better than the 2-3 catchers the Padres have on their roster.
AJ Preller is addicted to building, then blowing up the farm system.
Preller will be the 1st GM to have his farm system go from last to first and then back to last in a few short years. The Texas GM is on the line ready to pick AJ’s pockets, AGAIN!
Yankee Clipper
Why should he be moved to CF? Serious question.
Deleted_User
Well there’s no room for him at shortstop. Tatis’ ego would prevent him from being moved off of shortstop and the Padres already have an elite defensive shortstop in Ha Seong Kim.
Yankee Clipper
Okay. I wasn’t sure if he could actually play (or perhaps did in the past) there. CF is obviously very different from SS, but there are many players who have successfully made that transition over the years. Seems he certainly has an advantage in that he’s an overall outstanding athlete.
mkeyankee
Robin Yount gold glove at SS and CF.
User 2079935927
I wish the Angels could trade Upton for Meyers . Even if the Angels pay the Padres the diffrence of the 2 contracts.
Joospife
To get out of that Hosmer contract, at least Hassell or Abrams must be there if he wants the team that receives Hosmer to eat the vast majority or all of the remaining salary. With Campusano it can also be achieved but parents would have to send money also to compensate for the Hosmer agreement
A Seal
Per baseballtradevalues.com. Hosmer is worth -50.7 million in trade value, in other words, he’s overpaid by 50 million for the remainder of his contract. Abrams is worth 68.3 million, Hassell is 32.2 million, Campusano is 25.1 million, and Gore is 13.9 million.
Basically, in order to move Hosmer, the Padres would need to either attach Abrams, eat most of his contract (which doesn’t guarentee anyone will want him anyways and makes the entire reason for moving him irrelevant), or attach one of their other top prospects and still eat some of his salary.
Tough decision.
xfloydsterx
Well since the Mariners and Padres love making deals… And the Mariners have money plus need a first basemen, I’d like to see the Mariners trade for hosmer and Hassell. Sure they have a bit of a log Jam in the outfield but imagine in a couple years having an outfield of kelenic, Julio and Hassell! If Y’all don’t know about hassell, look him up. Pretty exciting kid. And when hosmer is healthy he’s got mid order potential. There are worse players out there making 20mm. To get a prospect like that plus a potential mid order bat with great clubhouse leadership is exactly what the Mariners could use. I say trade Kyle Lewis while his name is still with something. Dude strikes out way too much.
MartialArtisan
The Mariners have a first baseman. His name is Ty France.
Joey Slye-vermectin
It’s unrealistic for the Padres to move Hosmer and give up a premium prospect.
Padres could trade Campusano for Max Meyers in a prospect for prospect swap type of deal that benefits both however the trade shakes out.
Marlins need a catcher. Padres could use a long term piece in the rotation.
Padres could also trade Campusano for George Kirby or Emerson Hancock in a similar type deal with the Mariners.
AlienBob
Thanks, xFloyd, but the M’s have a fine 1B in Ty France. Behind him they have Evan White who we hope learns to hit and Torrens Hosner would have no where to play. He is less useful than Myers.
Hassell, seems like a good prospect. That far away the M’s have several youngsters they like that should be able to play CF in Alberto Rodriquez, Cabrera, Labrada, and Clase.
Lewis has little value until he proves he can play and stay healthy. The M’s are not counting on him for anything this year. He may DH a little. Seiya Suzuki is on his way from Japan. His idol, Ichiro, is over there recruiting him now. So, I guess y’all wlll just have to pay the luxury tax. That’s a shame because Preller could have bought a couple expensive, aging veterans with the payroll space. Then the Padres might get to 80 or 81 wins in 2022. That would be fun.
Brew’88
@ Floyd. Hassell is all that and more, he’ll be a top 10 MLB prospect soon. If words are to be trusted, the Pads have said publicly that Abrams, Gore or Hassell are untouchable. Of the 3 Abrams is most major-league ready but is coming off an injury and won’t likely break camp on the team. Hassell is just 20 but probably only needs one more year in the minors (mainly to hone his defensive skills). It’s possible he’s starting on the 2023 Padres, replacing Myers’ vacated roster spot. Personally, I think they’d be insane to trade Hassell.
If some team wants a high tier prospect in exchange for taking on Hosmer’s salary, that prospect is likely to be Campusano. Sounds like the Cubs were interested, maybe there are others. But I’m guessing the Pads will have to live with Hos another year at least; hopefully Melvin has sufficient preeminence to platoon, DH or even bench him at times for a better option at 1st. That better option won’t come from FA, as they’re not signing Freeman or Rizzo, but it could come internally from Cronenworth.
A Seal
Per baseballtradevalues.com. Hosmer is worth -50.7 million in trade value, in other words, he’s overpaid by 50 million for the remainder of his contract. Abrams is worth 68.3 million, Hassell is 32.2 million, Campusano is 25.1 million, and Gore is 13.9 million.
Basically, in order to move Hosmer, the Padres would need to either attach Abrams, eat most of his contract (which doesn’t guarentee anyone will want him anyways and makes the entire reason for moving him irrelevant), or attach one of their other top prospects and still eat some of his salary.
Tough decision.
JoeBrady
One of the questions that remains unanswered in the quest to move payroll is, how do they replace Hosmer and Myers? The assumption is that they are not particularly good, and very expensive, but even when your primary goal is to move payroll, and still compete, you still need a 1B and RF.
You could move both guys, but if the plan is to sign Rizzo and Castellanos, for example, then the payroll part of the equation is nil. I’m not seeing anyone on the current roster to replace either guy.
Brew’88
@ JoeBrady Cronenworth (excellent defensively, solid offensively) got some play at 1B last year and moving him to 1B frees up 2B for Abrams. Myers isn’t horrible at all, and replacing him with a better FA would cost quite a bit while not gaining much in performance. Hassell won’t be ready until 2023. Your economic reasoning suggests they not move either player this year, but hopefully Melvin sits/platoons Hos more often than Tingler did.
JoeBrady
Your economic reasoning suggests they not move either player this year,
==================================
Basically, yes. Abrams is theoretically possible, but from a defensive perspective, moving Cronenworth to 1B is the equivalent of moving Abrams to 1B. He doesn’t have the offensive to warrant replacing Hosmer at 1st. and it would cost you a year of service time, with no guarantee Abrams is ready. I view him as a mid-2023 callup.
And I see this with every team. They always want to get rid of their worst contract, but never consider the marginal cost/marginal benefit of doing so. If SD still had Margot, or France, or Urias, or Reyes, etc., then it’s easier to slot in the cheaper player. But without a ready replacement, then there is no elegant solution.
holecamels35
I sure hope Padres fans are grateful for their owner. I’ve never seen someone have such unwavering confidence in their general manager despite no huge wins of any sorts. I don’t think Preller is bad, he certainly makes a team fun to cheer for because he tries his darndest to put a great team on the field, but man it’s impressive seeing a once lowly team climb the ranks to compete with the big boys and be in on so many big moves while not having a horrible farm.
holecamels35
Still don’t understand why a team like the Pirates or Orioles who have a pathetic bare bones payroll with no intension of bringing in any big stars, wouldn’t just eat his entire contract for a few prospects. Oh no, the Pirates payroll might be around 55-60M, they will survive. And they’ll be able to pencil in an essentially average 1B who would sadly be the second best hitter on the team for the next two seasons and boost an already strong farm.
Billy Baroo
They might, but the last two years have thinned out the Padres’ farm so much.
It’s the top 4-5, most of whom are too valuable to use for salary relief, and then a lot of kids in the low minors. The other team would have to accept a fistful of magic beans in lieu of more developed prospects.
mkeyankee
If mlb institutes a salary floor I will 100% guaranty low payroll clubs will be taking on these bad contracts. The league will, actually, get less competitive just like when the nhl did the same thing.
hellsbells51
I would hate to see any of our top prospects go, but with the Alfaro acquisition it opens up Campusano for trade. I would love to see Hosmer. Campusano and cash in a trade with the A’s for Olson. Next move, if the DH is implemented, is to get Nelson Cruz. You can have Alfaro and Profar platoon in LF till they call up Abrams later in the year. That lineup would be solid!
1. Abrams
2. Cronenworth
3. Tatis
4. Machado
5. Olson
6. Cruz
7. Myers
8. Nola
9. Grisham
Bench: Profar, Alfaro, Caratini, Kim
Deleted Userr
There is no trading Hosmer for Olson. Get out of here with that garbage.
iml12
The As wouldn’t trade Olson straight up for Campusano let alone take on a guy making 1/3 of their payroll.
SportsFan0000
Profar is garbage another recycled Rangers guy
mostlytoasty
the Padres backstop situation makes very little sense unless one of the four are being moved. obviously Alfaro is the least likely to be moved since they just brought him in.
– Caratini is a perfectly fine backup, but he’s a career 82+ OPS hitter which benefits from one above average year in 2019
– Nola had so many injuries that you’d think they’d use his flexibility to play out in the field and/or alternate to DH if it (likely) is introduced next season. would be easier on the body
– I am a fan of Alfaro’s, but he doesn’t appear to profile as #1 on the depth chart unless they opt for him and Caritini in some kind of platoon and Nola as a UTIL that starts regularly. Alfaro has very limited action out in the field, but maybe it could work in the OF.
– Campusano was supposed to be the heir apparent. He had a great year at AAA, is only 23, and would figure to be a starter on SOME team by 2023, and I imagine there are a few teams that would be happy to test him right away as a starter in 2022 if they could.
It seems to me Campusano is the most expendable despite being the best long-term option. Their current setup leaves him as the odd man out, even if Nola is moved to the field. These days, it’s very hard to find a middle-of-the-order bat from the backstop role. Just feel like they’re going to regret shipping him away even if he hasn’t proven himself yet.
Deleted Userr
Makes more sense to move Nola. Even if it would be a repeat of the Adam Frazier situation (buying a guy at peak value only to flip him shortly afterwards for pennies on the dollar). Frankly trading for Nola at all was a big mistake.
SportsFan0000
Padres would be crazy to trade Campusano. He has star potential. Trade one of the other catchers and play Campusano.
mostlytoasty
yep, completely agree. but again, unless Nola is UTIL you still seem to have two extra catchers, not just one