There’s no more impactful player remaining on the open market than Carlos Correa. MLBTR’s top free agent entering the offseason, Correa was content to sit out the pre-lockout frenzy. The star shortstop is in position to land easily the biggest deal of the post-lockout period whenever the transactions freeze comes to an end. It stands to reason he and his representatives will try to top the ten-year, $325MM deal Corey Seager landed with the Rangers last month.
Reports have linked Correa to a few teams this winter, with some perhaps unexpected suitors hopping into the mix. The incumbent Astros, Cubs, Braves, Tigers, Red Sox, Dodgers and Yankees were all linked to the two-time All-Star in some capacity. To what extent those clubs will reengage with Correa coming out of the lockout remains to be seen. The Tigers have already landed Javier Báez on a nine-figure deal. The Astros might be reluctant to go beyond six guaranteed years, and multiple reports have indicated the Yankees are content to rely on a stopgap pick-up at shortstop with a pair of well-regarded prospects (Oswald Peraza and Anthony Volpe) not far away from MLB readiness.
The Cubs’ reported entrance into the Correa bidding also registered as something of a surprise, given their recent spending habits. Chicago has kicked off an organizational reboot over the past few months, dropping player payroll from 2019’s franchise-record $203MM outlay (estimate via Cot’s Baseball Contracts). Early in the offseason, president of baseball operations Jed Hoyer cautioned against the possibility of “winning” the offseason and expressed a desire to spend opportunistically. None of that portended an earnest pursuit of the market’s top free agent.
To their credit, the Cubs’ early offseason approach has already been fairly active. Chicago claimed Wade Miley off waivers from the Reds, taking on a $10MM salary in the process. They signed Yan Gomes to a two-year, $13MM guarantee. And in their biggest splash of the offseason to date, Chicago landed Marcus Stroman on a three-year, $71MM deal that contains an opt-out possibility after the 2023 campaign.
The Cubs’ first couple months of activity at least suggests it’s not a full rebuild, a sentiment Hoyer has expressed on a few occasions. The major league roster still looks short of immediate contention, but it also doesn’t seem the Cubs are hoping to idle near the bottom of the National League for the next few years in hopes of collecting high draft choices. Even if 2022 proves to be a down year, the front office could have their sights set on being competitive within the season or two thereafter.
There’s a case to be made for the Cubs to make a strong run at Correa, who just turned 27 in September. He’ll still be in his prime whenever the team is better prepared to contend, and one need look no further than the Rangers’ signing of Seager as an example of a current non-contender jumping early to sign an impact player to a long-term deal. A Correa mega-deal would be in a different financial stratosphere than any of the Cubs’ moves this winter, though, and it remains to be seen if the organization’s willing to make that level of commitment.
The Cubs apparently continue to have some amount of interest in that possibility. Bruce Levine of 670 The Score hears the organization may be willing to meet the $30MM+ in annual salary that Correa’s likely to command. However, he hears that the Cubs could balk at an especially long-term commitment, writing that “they’d rather not go 10 years in length.” Whether the reluctance to offer a decade’s worth of guarantees is a matter of preference or a firm organizational mandate isn’t clear, nor is the length of a proposal the front office would be more comfortable putting forth.
If the Cubs prove completely unwilling to go to ten years, it’d be difficult for Correa to top Seager’s $325MM guarantee in Chicago. Even over a nine-year term, getting to $325MM would require a $36.11MM average annual salary that’d be a record for a position player. It’s not clear whether Correa would be willing to sacrifice a year or two at the back of a deal in order to land a record-breaking AAV, although he’s reportedly already passed on offers of $160MM over five years (from the Astros) and $275MM over ten years (from the Tigers).
There’s no question he’ll have myriad options from which to choose once the sport’s business resumes. Correa is coming off a fifth-place finish in AL MVP balloting on the heels of a .279/.366/.485 line (134 wRC+) paired with Gold Glove defense. Of equal importance, he avoided the injured list (aside from a brief stay related to COVID-19) en route to 640 plate appearances over 148 games. That marked Correa’s heaviest workload since 2016, helping to assuage concerns clubs may have had after he was limited to 294 games between 2017-19 (98 per season) by thumb, back and rib issues.
case
Why would he get more than Seager? His hitting is less consistent and there’s a big question mark surrounding how much of his success was due to cheating. Hope a team I like doesn’t jump on this grenade.
Dustyslambchops23
1. He’s better
2. No and he’s far superior defensively
3. While he was part of the scandal and did cheat, so it’s fair to call him a cheater. No one is question his talent and success
Ma4170
Correa is def not a better hitter than seager, and even though they’ve both dealt w injuries, correa’s back can be the type to hinder him long term… plus he’s shown the ability to have bad years (injury related? Maybe, but that comes as part of his package)… he’s better defensively, but I’ve always felt people overstate that value a bit, but no doubt he’s better defensively
Richard Alicea
@Dustyslambchops23
He’s sound defensively, but there are quite a few SS in the league that were better than Correa, that’s a fact. Seager and Correa both have a 973 fielding percentage and Seager had 3 less errors playing SS then Correa, with that said he’s pretty good turning double plays compared to most SS in the league.
ElmerFudd
Carlos is great, glove of glue, arm like no other ever, doesn’t run though and bat can go on holiday, loves pressure, struggles against 3 era pithing (who doesn’t), attitude in the dugout A+, keeping perspective D+
differentbears
Agreed. Feels to me as if the Rangers overpaid Seager just a bit, perhaps to beat out more competitive teams that might get close to their offer. I’m sure Correa’s agent will say they want more than Seager got, but who would be willing to do that?
The best fits can just say no for a variety of reasons. As an example, the Dodgers can just let Lux take over (if they don’t also extend Trea Turner). They had a price in mind to keep their guy, it wasn’t enough. I can’t fathom them not splurging to keep Seager but then turning around and spending even more to replace him.
Samuel
@ differentbears;
The Rangers overpaid Seager by a lot. It was the only way they could get him to sign with them. They also overpaid Semien.
No doubt Correa’s agents want a contract better than Seager and Lindor got – as he’s better than both of them. But the problem is that there are only so many desperate owners / FO heads out there. Right now, I don’t see one that’s willing to go over $300m long-term.
Dustyslambchops23
I agree but I said similar with lindor and seager. I don’t know who it will be but I think someone ends up giving him 330
Samuel
@ Dustyslambchops23;
Tell me who needs a SS that badly. If there is a team they’ll go after Story for a fraction of the money.
Teams like that Yankees and Cubs are waiting this out to see if Correa takes less years at a higher AAV. If so, it wouldn’t surprise me to see Correa go back to Houston for 5-6 years.
The only “mystery team” I can see is the Nationals – as he could join Juan Soto and Keibert Ruiz as their cornerstone position players – at C, SS and middle of the order bat. But the Nationals problem is developing pitching – something they’ve been awful at…..and they have a number of SS prospects in the minors…not that it means anything as their minor league players have been terrible the past 4-5 years except for Soto. And Correa would probably reject going to a team that is bad now with little in the farm system about to hit the majors – as the Astros had when he came up.
Dustyslambchops23
Don’t think we can say what he’s looking for with certainty. No one thought Seager was a fit for Texas or that that they should be handing out 500 million to 2 players, yet it happened.
I think the Yankees or Phillies end up with him, although in the free agent pool I had him going to the Tigers
skip 2
@Samuel by a lot? No way by a lot. Seager was going to get $300 million for sure!
Backup Catcher to the Backup Catcher
Cubbies have more pressing needs than signing a $30 million per year SS. Spread that cheese around on multiple players and try to be competitive in a comparatively weak NL Central.
Besides, with Madrigal at 2B, Hoerner can play SS. Find a LF to go along with Happ and Heyward (Yuck!). I like the catching, but if someone makes a good offer for Contreras, Cubbies should leap at that.
Remember, might only take 87-90 wins to become top dog in the NL Central. No need to spend mega bucks on one player.
bleeding_blue_138
I completely forgot about Madrigal. I wish Horner could stay healthy enough. I also wish Happ could figure it out and stop giving those teaser streaks of crushing just to slide back to batting .167. Wisdom and Schwindel seem like cheaper versions of Rizzo and Bryant. But time will tell, they are older.
The Cubs need to spread Tha tmlney around like you said and maybe get a couple more pitchers. Rodon maybe? I think you assessment of how many games to win is pretty close.
Bud Selig Fan
It’s gonna take more than 90 wins to get past the Brewers & Cardinals. The Brewers could be the top team in the NL next season with what should be a better offense to go with their ridiculous pitching and the Cardinals aren’t too far behind with their best in baseball (and by a large margin) defense.
The Cubbies owner won’t tolerate another gutless tank. He knows they got lucky to win their WS title ( law of averages), and generally were a disappointment from ‘17-‘20. Hoyer wants to get out from under Theo’s shadow and will tread water until his farm gets built up some more and then spend up to the threshold to win again.
rondon
Even giving you a pass as an obvious Brewer fan, your take on the Cubs is whacked. They absolutely earned that WS and to say that Ricketts thought it was “luck” is ridiculous. And Hoyer has never once intimated that he wanted out of “Theo’s shadow”. They worked together for years in San Diego, Boston and Chicago.
FunkyButtLovin
I bet you wish the Brewers were “lucky” enough to win a World Series one day.
Dogbone
@bleedin blue:
Agree with much of what you said. However I think while Wisdom could become a valuable bench piece, the Cubs would be making a big mistake thinking he is a starting 3B.
However Schwindel IMO, is an absolute gift. The man can flat out barrel up a baseball- and do it pretty consistently. That said, I’d be ok with them resigning Rizzo (if his demands are reasonable) and playing them both in the daily lineup.
Richard Alicea
Who? There is no one going there.
Richard Alicea
The Nationals traded their homegrown SS to the Dodgers and he’s more offensively dynamic than Correa and just as good defensively. So the Nationals are not dishing out a contract of 300mil for Correa, they have a player that will demand big bucks soon and they are saving their dough for him. Correa to Nationals ain’t happening.
Samuel
@ skip 2;
The Rangers overpaid Seager by a lot. No one else was going to give him $300m. Not the Yankees. Not the Tigers. No one. The fact that Cohen overpaid Lindor and the Padres overpaid Tatis does not mean that all quality SS’s will get that sort of contract. A player is only worth what a team is willing to pay him.
Do you really think Seager spent last season dreaming of playing for the Rangers – a team going in circles the last 5 years as much as the Rockies? Has it occurred to you that his agent(s) let him know that only the Rangers were offering a $300m contract and that if he didn’t jump on it they would overpay another SS? Sure seems like it – the way he signed so early.
Get it through your head – contracts over 5 years are usually poison. Who knows what will happen to a player over that period of time? Look at the Yankees this year – handcuffed by long-term contracts they had to bring in Odor to play 2B at not cost to them as the Rangers paid his salary just to get on open roster slot (shows how desperate the Yankees are). Then the Yankees moved Gleyber to SS which he couldn’t play – he knew it, they knew it, everyone but Yankees fans on here knew it – so he and the Yankees team paid the price. Franchises are moving away for those contracts with a few exceptions.
Read Richard Alicea below. He broke it down correctly.
Samuel
@ Richard Alicea;
1. Trea Turner came in a trade from the Padres where Mike Rizzo absolutely robbed Preller and everyone in MLB FO’s were in disbelief (which resulted in GM’s throughout MLB standing in line hoping to trade with Preller….which goes on to this day).
2. MLB is not logical. The worst division in MLB this year was the NL East. It was won by the Braves with 88 wins – the lowest total of any division winner. Then they won the WS.
3. Rizzo and the Nationals do odd things. There weren’t written up as being candidates for Scherzer or Corbin until the day those guys were signed.
4. Scott Boras made a statement a month ago that for Soto to resign with the Nationals, they would have to be long-term contenders. Boras has a good relationship with Nationals ownership, and they with him. He didn’t say anything publicly that they didn’t know.
5. I believe Correa signing with them is a long shot. But it’s not out of the question.
6. I like your posts a lot. We’ve had over a dozen quality posters come on here recently. That’s great! You’re one.
Samuel
7. Rizzo builds teams with 3-4 impact cornerstone players and fills in around them.
6. For Turner and Scherzer he got a quality major league ready Catching prospect (next to impossible in the current environment) and a major league ready potential #2-3 starter – both with years of control. Were he to sign Correa he would be replacing Turner’s production.
TexasLeaguer
Hoerner has been in and out with injuries. Lock down Correa and move Nico to second. Madrigal to DH. If one gets hurt, you’re afforded flexibility. Cubs have no middle infield talent in upper levels of minors. With a weak free agent class next year, it makes complete sense.
justme
The cubs had the number 1 ranked offense and defense and the 4th ranked pitching staff no luck there they earned that world series
padam
Better than Seager, perhaps due to his defensive advantage, but over Lindor, not sure I’d agree with that. Think he’ll come up short on the Lindor deal.
CujoMarlin
The winner of the NL central has averaged 96 wins over the last 10 full seasons. Only 3 times the winner had under 95 wins. Winning the division with 87 wins is too optimistic in my view. The division is always viewed as weak, but almost every season at least one team takes the reigns and has a good season. To me, you’ve got to build a team that projects at 90+ wins and hope a few things go your way to win the division.
Richard Alicea
@Dustylambchops23
I doubt seriously that someone would chalk up that kind of dough for Correa, you have to factor his injury past, plus to say he’s better than Lindor is lubricous. Quite frankly he may not be better than Baez and you see what he got. Correa will have to settle for a lot less than what Detroit offered him and he will have two choices, accept or not play baseball in 2022. Reminds me so much of greedy Juan Gonzalez, had a great season and was offered 140 mil by Detroit and he refused, two years later is out of baseball.
buggs
I agree
buggs
I agree! Well said!
buggs
Not Going to happen!
Kapler's Coconut Oil
After last season, that question has greatly reduced in size.
seamaholic 2
Seager’s was the crazy contract. He’s barely a passable SS anymore and is constantly hurt. Correa is younger, healthier, and by so much the better defender that you can’t see one from the other. Correa’s just a vastly better asset.
A Seal
The only time in Correa’s career in which he played 150 games was 2016 – almost 6 years ago – with 153. He played 148 last year, but less than 110 every year from 2017-2020. He might be healthier than Seager, but only a bit.
Seager is a way better hitter. His lowest career OPS+ was a 103, posted in a 26 game span in 2018. Correa has been a below average hitter in both 2018 and 2020. Seager has 3 seasons with an OPS+ over 140 (2016, 2020, 2021), while Correa has exactly one: 2017. The next here, he dropped to a 99. Seager is definitely the better hitter here. Correa has had several good seasons, but his best season – by far – came when the Astros cheated.
Correa is a great defensive shortstop who hits above average – but not star level – and who has injury problems. Seager is a slightly below average defender at shortstop who hits star level and has injury problems. They are similar players.
buggs
278 batting average is above average??? I hope not
Mikel Grady
Only 38 hitters in all of baseball hit over .278
Cosmo2
Virtually none of his success was due to cheating. GMs live in reality so that’s not a factor.
retire21
How do you know that about his success? Who DID benefit the most? Sincere questions.
jjd002
Cody Bellinger.
Mr_KLC
Marwin Gonzalez and Evan Gattis for sure.
Dad
Oh I hope the Cubs do!
Dorothy_Mantooth
I still feel some mystery team will end up meeting his asking price, most likely 10/340ish. I’m sure he wants to not only beat Seager’s deal but Lindor’s deal as well. While he’s not a better hitter than Seager, he is a much better defender and can stick at SS for at least 6 more seasons and perhaps longer if his body holds up. Seager will be moved off of SS within 2-3 seasons.
jawinks
Rangers kind of broke the SS market it seems. I’m not sure how many teams want to take on a super contract like that right now. If teams were evaluating correa above Seager and just saw how much he got, their heads might be spinning at the cost of Correa. It will be interesting to see if he sticks it out for the years or takes a high AAV just to lock in a job at the highest rate. I too am curious to see who the mystery team is (Jays? Angels? White Sox?)
PeteWard8
Throw me a fastball. Cubs Correa deserve each other
buggs
What does that mean?
neurogame
Can’t see the Angels as a mystery team. They can’t continue to pileup the offense while having a middling rotation. That philosophy has gotten them nowhere for a number of years.
stymeedone
In a free market, it doesn’t matter what Seager got paid. Texas, and Detroit are no longer in the bidding. If he liked what they offered, he should have taken it. Less demand should mean lower price. It doesn’t really matter what Correa wants. What matters is what teams are willing to pay. The teams with the most space to spend are now off the board. Good luck to the Cubs. If they pay full price, they will be just another Boros conquest.
emac22
Doesn’t less supply mean higher prices?
It’s pretty hard to argue that 2 teams signing 3 of the top 4 leaves you with more supply.
stymeedone
Doesn’t less demand mean lower prices? Less supply means nothing if there is no demand. Its been a game of musical chairs and there are more SS wanting big contracts than teams looking to add a big contract at SS. Story and Correa remain with only Houston still looking, and they already crossed Correa off their list.
Samuel
@ stymeedone;
I don’t think Houston has crossed Correa off their list. They simply will not exceed 5 or maybe 6 years.
emac22
2 teams signing 3 of the top 4 means your supply declined 75% while your demand decreased by 10 or 20%.
Teams aren’t looking to add a big contract or a pretty good shortstop that wants a lot of money. They’re looking to add a great player who can make a difference. You can argue about risk but you can’t argue the market has one great remaining SS.
If there were more great shortstops than teams who want great shortstops the Rangers wouldn’t have paid a half a billion dollars.
Saying you can’t afford to pay someone over 160 million or that you don’t believe in long term contracts isn’t what I call crossing someone off your list. It sounds like they accept that he has more value to another team.
buggs
couldn’t have said it any better
deweybelongsinthehall
Depending on the new CBA, only teams likely to spend that big will be the Dodgers and Yankees. That said, the Yankees first priority is Judge. Thus, oy the Dodgers. I also don’t know if Friedman is willing to have two long term players (Correa and Betts) on high AAVs. Thus, neither will give him his asking price. Only way he gets it is if a non-conterder with pockets like the Cubs overspend or if there is significant deferred money like Washington is known for.
Shoguneye
I think Cohen got the ball rolling on that with the buyer remorse Lindor signing
neurogame
I’m so surprised the Cubs are still have immediate playoff aspirations after unloading cornerstones like Bryant, Baez and Rizzo. I thought they would be in complete rebuild mode..
ChiSox_Fan
Not happening for Cubbies!
PeteWard8
Flubs made solid offers to the cornerstones and were rejected
Oldman58
And now those guys are getting less than the Cubs offered
cars
Wrong. Baez Cubs offer was 165MM for 8 years. Tigers agreement with Baez 140MM for 6 years and with an opt out after 2 years.
rondon
You have no idea what the Cub’s offer was to Baez. You only know what the Tigers paid him.
PutPeteinthehall
You’re wrong. 165 is more money. He will be very lucky to still be in the game in six years and be commanding 2/25.
Any professional athlete needs to take the best offer as there are no guarantees he/she will be able to continue at contracts end.
Scherzer knew this and went to the Mets rather than sign with a team that would pay less but probably be in contention for a championship like his former team. Until Cohen’s team wins the games they should not be favorites to win a championship. Expensive mis matched and in Scherzers case worn out parts.
seamaholic 2
Really clever actually. You pick up a bunch of good prospects for your high priced stars, then replace em the next off season with a different set who play more important positions. They gave up a 1B, a corner OF, and a SS who can’t hit, and instead get a SP and a SS who very much can hit. And the prospects come along for free.
iml12
It’s pretty clear what Hoyer is doing at this point. Every single prospect he traded for is projected to be ready somewhere between 2024-2026 or mlb ready. The payroll is clear right now. He is signing short term contracts with good players to compete now. Heyward, Stroman, Hendricks, Gomes will all be gone by 2024 to reset the payroll. If they think Carlos is the real deal going forward they can absolutely afford a monster long term deal to be around the entire time. I’ve been very impressed with Hoyer.
buggs
all those prima donnas for the Cubs were all regressing in performance! The team needed heart and those guys didn’t contribute to it! They needed to go!
neurogame
I’m so surprised the Cubs still have immediate playoff aspirations after unloading cornerstones like Bryant, Baez and Rizzo. I thought they would be in complete rebuild mode..
ChiSox_Fan
Not happening for Cubbies!
fivepoundbass
Those guys were all free agents at the end of 2021
CNichols
The options aren’t just let them walk in FA or trade them, they could have extended some of their core. If they are willing to pay Correa they probably could have just allocated that money towards extending Baez and Rizzo.
bleeding_blue_138
They offered them extensions that were turned down. The core was declining except for maybe Bryant. But the Cubs replaced Bryant with Wisdom who was in the running for rookie of the year.Rizzo was replaced by Schwindel who statically did better than Rizzo in the same timeframe. They Cubs could use pitching though, a better center fielder, a left fielder and maybe a SS. If only Horner would stop getting injured to know what he was about.
MLB Top 100 Commenter
As a big Cubs fan, I do not think it is the right time to commit that kind of money for such a long period of time. The Cubs could get three hitters at Correa’s level for lesser defensive positions and help their team more. And their rotation is not ready to compete even with Stroman. But it is nice to see Cubs considering increased payroll.
neurogame
I’m surprised Stroman took the Cubs’ offer.. I thought he was Anaheim or LA bound. Both teams are much closer to a championship than Chicago.
jim stem
I too was surprised Stroman went to the Cubs. I can only wonder if their offer was far and away the best deal?
Having watched pretty much every Stroman start for the Mets, I really respect his effort, prep and desire. About the only thing I question is how much does he want a championship ring.
Money versus post season ambitions.
I don’t understand players not signing with teams who truly have a chance to win the World Series. Could Stroman not survive on 50 million dollars (plus incentives) the next 3 seasons to sign with, say, the Dodgers, Rays, Braves, Astros, Yankees, Giants, etc.?
I guess some players simply don’t value playing to win championships. If it were me and I already have more money than I or the next three generations of my family could ever spend, I think I’d like a shot to win a World Series.
PutPeteinthehall
Every contract could be the last one a player signs. Also the amount pocketed is probably closer to half of what is listed. You pay taxes and so do the players. Obviously Stroman is in the high federal tax bracket. Do you believe Scott Boras or whoever his agent is works for free? Illinois has high state income tax. Between the above and agent pressure to maximize the agents fee the players sign not only for best fit but best money as well.
buggs
I think Wrigley Field is a very attractive place to play! Very loyal fans with a lot of energy, of which I think has a lot to do with it
Yankee Clipper
Whether the Cubs do or not, I agree, Manny. It seems that this move would be somewhat premature for them at their current stage of retool/rebuild.
I really just want to see the Yankees acquire Contreras. I think there are very fair deals the Yanks can propose, then there’s the reality that they will overpay for one year of Willson. I’m a fan of the overpay for Willson who’s one of my favorite catchers, especially as a fit for the Yanks.
MLB Top 100 Commenter
I like Dominguez and Florial. Dominguez is too high a price but if Contreras gets traded mid-season Florial might be a main piece.
Unless Yankees want to trade both for Contreras and Hendricks before the season starts.
stymeedone
Why is Florial still considered a prospect? He hits less every step up the ladder.
rondon
yankee clipper… I think Contreras is the one guy the Cubs should pay from the big 4. With a lot of young guys having to step up, a proven winner at that position is a good way to start the transition. I’m betting Ross would love to have him back. And the Gomes signing would free him up to do some DHing and save him some wear and tear. We’ll see. With the lack of front line catchers, Hoyer might get blown away by an offer…
PutPeteinthehall
If Willson is not moved I see him splitting with Gomes and as a DH. He would play outfield if allowed but I would have to believe they know better. If he gets hurt there goes the chance of a trade.
MLB Top 100 Commenter
And Gomes could be the one flipped midseason if Contreras is extended.
Oldman58
ChiSox_Fan says Correa to Cubs isn’t going to happen. He’s probably right because no one knows the meaning of the words “not happening“ more than a Sox fan
Spare Tire Dixon
They unloaded all their popular core guys…..then want to spend on Stroman and Correa?
Samuel
@ Spare Tire Dixon;
Their “popular core guys” may have been popular, but truth be told – they’re on declines and not worth near the money they expect(ed). Baez got his overpay. Bryant should as well. Rizzo is Jay Bruce being signed by the Mets redux. All are going to end up as bad contracts for the teams that sign(ed) them.
GarryHarris
My opinion of Al Avila as a GM with a plan had shifted 180 in favor until he acquired two overpriced free agents. 2024 is the year to add theses pieces. Randy Smith could never settle on a course or type of team he was trying to build either.
Both Carlos Correa and Kory Seager are too injury prone to get franchise type contracts.
Tigernut2000
Throw out a lousy April and th Tigers were 8 over .500 why wait until 2024?
1984wasntamanual
I don’t know about 2024…but you can’t just decide to throw out a month and pretend that’s a legitimate evaluation.
For Love of the Game
@!GarryHarris So you would have kept Niko Goodrum and Willi Castro as your shortstops? The price of poker went up after Seager and Semien came off the board, both to a team practically no one thought would be active in the top end of the SS market.
I have not been a big Avila fan, but I think he did the right thing sewing up the best player that fit his plans. Same with the Tucker Barnhardt trade. He could see more teams looking for a catcher and a thin free agent market; we struck quickly with a modest overpay in terms of salary but got a great fit for the team while other were putting together their offseason plans. I think he’s had a great offseason.
GarryHarris
I would’ve preferred Freddie Galvis and Jonathan Villar for the next two years and another run at Julio Teheran and Jimmy Nelson.
Until 2024, Miguel Cabrera will be propped up as the feature hitter in the Tigers lineup. There is no chance to win when a teams goals are fashioned to support one mediocre player.
Richard Alicea
Its a good indicator that the team got better and that’s significant.
For Love of the Game
Garry, I don’t think any team is going far with Galvis, Villar, Teheran, and Nelson. Maybe minor league offers for Teheran or Nelson.
PutPeteinthehall
Think you’re right. Also peg Bryant for a production drop off. Out of the three Baez has the best chance to learn to self regulate and produce at the plate.
Cmurphy
The popular guys thought they could get more away from the Cubs. Tigers overpaid for Baez. Rizzo will be lucky to get a 2-3 yr at 13-15M AAV deal (should have taken the 5/70 offered). Bryant may get the best one if only because more teams want him and he’s versatile.
Not a fan of a 10 year contract (Heyward and Soriano 8 year deals still sting). I’d go for a higher AAV and less years. If they get him for 3 or 4 years at a high AAV, he’d only be 30-31 so he could sign another monster contract.
ruckus727
I like the idea of blowing past the record AAV and offering 5/$200M. He could still land another four or five year deal after that at a similar AAV.
Tigernut2000
Cubs offered $20mill/per. Tigers paid $23 mill/per. Overpay? Maybe, but with salaries rising every year, Baez could be a good deal in years 2-3 and beyond.
1984wasntamanual
You conveniently left out the the number of years. I like Baez and hope the best for him, but he’s the type of player that is going to fall off a cliff and be closer to replacement level as soon as his bat speed and athleticism slips. He could be a good deal, but I certainly wouldn’t put my money on that.
stymeedone
Hopefully he will be motivated those first two years and opt out!
solaris602
Cubs weren’t winning anything with that core group any way. All three wanted to be overpaid, and why jack up your payroll to get the same results if that? Sign Correa, get one more SP and a closer, and they’ll be positioned well next season. It’s a good start.
MLB Top 100 Commenter
They unloaded as you phrase it players whose contracts expired at the end of the season anyhow, plus Kimbrel . They offered Rizzo more than he will get now and rumor has it they made a good offer to Baez though less than he got. They kept Contreras and Hendricks who were not expiring. They could still resign Chafin or Tapera. The Kimbrel and Baez deals netted good prospects if you consider Madrigal still a prospect.
rondon
Yes to all that.
buggs
popularity doesn’t win games, these prima donnas were no longer useful to the Chicago Cubs, MoveOn! Kudos to Jed
PutPeteinthehall
If he’s already passed on 275m he’s not signing with the Cubs. The Chicago National League ball club is not passing out 300m to a single player.
stymeedone
Yeah, but with that 10/275 no longer on the table, it can be ignored by any bidder. Its just like the offer that Rizzo turned down from the Cubs. No one feels they have to top that, because the Cubs are no longer offering it. If Correa wants to cry about it, just tell him to go back to the Tigers, then.
Dogbone
Correa will end up back in Houston.
buggs
wouldn’t surprise me!
swinging wood
I think MLBTR confused “dumpster” for “trash can”.
User 163535993
5 of the Cubs top prospects are SS. Like #’s 3,4, 7 and Morel is a lower than those guys who are young but he’s ready now so I don’t see the Cubs signing any SS. I think Seager might have been the exception for his LH bat but that was the only one.
InherentVice
Morel is not a shortstop, and he is nowhere near ready for MLB. All the Cubs’ other shortstop prospects are 20 or younger, and all could just as well be moved to another position. That’s the beauty of shortstops, they can usually be shifted to 2B, 3B, and OF, especially when they’re still just teenagers. Ed Howard is the only one who is locked into the position, because of his tremendous glove, but he also only has one pro season under his belt with pretty poor offensive production. And, all that being said, by the time any of these prospects are ready for MLB, Correa may also be old enough that a move to another position would make sense (a la A-Rod, Banks, Yount, Ripken, etc). So no, the presence of prospects means nothing in regards to the Cubs signing Correa.
Shane Newbanks 2
Cubs have NO SS even close to being called up. Most of them would be at the ABSOLUTE earliest 2024 with most likely 2025 if not 202.6. This would allow Correa to be at SS until then, then slide over to 3B. As of right now, the Cubs don’t have a true major league SS. Alcantara is their only true SS, but he isn’t long term ML talent.
bleeding_blue_138
@Shane Newbanks
Do you consider Horner a SS or more of a natural 2B? Honest question. If he could stay healthy I think he would be pretty good at SS. Plus the Cubs did get Madigral from the White Sox.
buggs
I like Horner and he should be given a chance, I also like that guy from the Rangers if he can be picked up in a trade I also like Kim from the Padres as an insurance shortstop, Horner just doesn’t get any respect, he could turn out to be the better of all of them, he hustles very good glove makes great contact (give the guy a chance)
RobM
I don’t see it happening with the Cubs. Correa’s number will start with a 3 and can’t think of why the Cubs would go there now.
bigdaddyhacks
He’s goes back to Houston. His “value” is only redeemable in Houston. Dudes has 1.5 good seasons and can’t stay healthy. Add his d bag attitude plus cheater and he’s not as much of a commodity as the headlines want you to believe. It speaks light years that Seager was signed first.
Dustyslambchops23
He has three 5+ WAR seasons
The rest is semantics and it means nothing that seager signed first
Cosmo2
His “d bag attitude plus cheater” is nonsense only certain fans care about and such fiction doesn’t effect his value.
bigdaddyhacks
I get my opinion isn’t a popular one. But I stand by it. He either gets massively overpaid to play on a losing team or he goes back to trashcan central.
VonPurpleHayes
You’re seriously letting personal opinion blind you to Correa’s talent. He was part of a cheating team and didn’t handle the repercussions too well, so if you want to hate him, absolutely go for it. But the talent is there. Three 5+ WAR seasons. He plays and extremely valuable position. Solid bat. Solid glove. The guy is a legitimate star and he’s only 27 years old.
Richard Alicea
I agree, Rangers signing Seager while passing on Correa speaks volumes about his value. I strongly believe that he will wind up back in an Astro’s uniform for a contract way short of what he was looking for, both in length and AAV.
solaris602
I’ve said all along that the likeliest scenario is Correa returns to HOU, but it won’t be for the $$$ or years he’s seeking. When you eliminate the teams who have no need at SS and/or no payroll space, you’re left with SEA, CHC, and HOU. Can’t count out DiPoto, but I think a return to the Astros is inevitable. Cubs pivot to Story who will make far more sense for a lot of reasons.
stymeedone
Washington is also a long shot. Baltimore, too. Just not expecting it.
cars
People need to know that Bruce Levine works for the Marquee Network owned by the Ricketts family. I would not be surprised if a story of Cubs interest in Carlos Correa was purposely leaked to Levine to increase season ticket sales. I hope that I am wrong and the Cubs sign Correa. The last story Bruce Levine broke was in 2015, when Levine’ friend Alan Nero tiped off Levine that his client Joe Maddon was signing with Cubs.
stymeedone
Not a whole lot buying tickets Based on what a team MAY do, especially when there may not be a season due to work stoppage or pandemic.
DarkSide830
It just makes sense at this point. several suitors off the board and many teams still needing a SS probably arent gonna break the bank
Munkes2
Mets will get him on a 25 year deal for 1.3 billion dollars, with an opt out option in 2038
VonPurpleHayes
@Munkes2 I know you’re joking, but I’m picturing an entire Mets infield of short stops.
rondon
in their 40s.
Richard Alicea
Sense a bit of jealousy here, well get ready because Cohen is not going to stand pat. He will ensure that the Mets stay relevant for years to come. Now, you can switch over and become a Mets fan if you like, just saying.
stymeedone
Thanks anyway, but I have too much self respect for that.
aggie99
Correa is the best defensive SS to play in a decade. He is a great team leader, and while his hitting numbers are just better than average, he is pretty dang clutch (especially in the playoffs).
I will miss him in Houston, because he isn’t worth $35 M over 10 years… hell no one is.
Those are the kind of contracts that kill franchises. The Dallas Rangers learned that with ARod, and are about to relive that with Seager.
Its dumb GM’ing.
Ah Sahm
Agree on everything but the bit that no one is worth 35/10 years. Prime Barry Bonds begs to differ
rememberthecoop
Prime Barry Bonds was only worth that due to cheating.
Logjammer D"Baggagecling
Javy Baez is the best defensive SS. It’s ashame he was snubbed for a gold glove so many times. I still don’t know how Nick Ahmed won over Baez a few years back. And Ahmed somehow has 2 GG.
@Ah Sahm no one is worth 35 million dollars a year. Prime Barry Bonds was on steroids. And it was very clear he didn’t care. He might have been a first ballot HOF if he hadn’t started when he went to SF.
jjd002
90% of the players in Bonds’ generation were using PEDs, so don’t see your point there.
bleeding_blue_138
@Player Formerly
Baez is great at defense. But I think his errors are often unnecessary. Because he is so good he takes unwarranted risks sometimes that cause those errors. Sometime he needs to just stop the ball and that’s OK, instead of airmail ing to first and letting the runner advance. I know he didn’t have a ton of errors but the ones he does have might be the difference for that gold glove.
differentbears
TIL learned that Andrelton Simmons apparently retired in 2010.
lumber and lighting
He should of taken the 275million.I can’t even fathom walking away from generational money.I always root for the players but I think this situation might not end like he wants.
solaris602
It won’t. When you price yourself out of 90% of teams’ payroll capacity, the old “it only takes one team to take the plunge” idea becomes dicey when you only have 3 possible destinations. He won’t sign a pillow contract, but he won’t be offered 10/$300M either.
DS1
Dude can’t stay on the field. Why would a team take that sort of risk with a player that can’t stay healthy?
ASapsFables
A Carlos Correa and Nick Madrigal double play combo would be intriguing. Correa has had plenty of experience in Houston pairing up with a diminutive 2B who can hit.
Dogbone
Aaron, my neighbor is about 5 foot 5 inches tall. Maybe the Cubs could sign him, and it would work out. I bet he’d sign for a lot less. I guess ‘size matters’ lol.
Logjammer D"Baggagecling
As a Cubs fan. Correa is a hard pass for me. Theynneed 1 more starter and maybe 2 bullpen arms. Then focus on extending Willson Contreras. Even if they don’t get more pitching help. Signing Contreras is an absolute must. He should’ve been extended before they signed back up Yan Gomes.
rondon
I agree. And if they were serious about that size of a contract, I think Seager”s LH bat would’ve been more in line with what they need.
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jaysfansince1977
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bigfatandugly
pretty slow time of year esp given the lockout and lack of speculation and movement that keeps us occupied until spring training ramps up.
i for one appreciate the effort. no one is forcing you to read it. it’s free. it stimulates good dialogue in here. whoever writes for MLBTR is really enjoyable to read.
if you can’t appreciate any of that then you might be the 1% who’s not happy with anything.
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Joospife
If the Cubs somehow sign Correa, one more starting pitcher and a left-handed bat like Conforto, Schwarber or via trade like Matt Olson, it would be a fight in their division. of course not including Brennen Davis in any trade.
GarryHarris
When was the last time a team that won “The Off-season” won the division and played in the World Series?
Backup Catcher to the Backup Catcher
Could be the Mets this year. They haven’t been shy about spending Cohen’s cheese. Would like to see the Cubbies sign Conforto (3 years @ $15 million per.). With a draft pick penalty attached, no team is gonna give him $20 million for one year, lose a pick and then watch him waltz away. He’ll have to take a short multi-year deal at modest money in order for a team to digest losing a draft pick.
mike156
Probably the 2008 Yankees. Signed CC, Teixeira and Burnett. Won it all in 2009.
California Halo's
I hope the Rangers sign him. Can they be crazy enough to do it three times in the same off season? Then they could have three over paid infielders!
Mystery Team
Neither Seager or Correa should be getting contracts that big as not one of them is a top twenty player in the league. It doesn’t take long to look at their stats and realize that neither one has done anything deserving of that type of deal. The Rangers are going to know buyer’s remorse worse than any team in MLB history. At least when they gave Alex Rodriguez his deal he was one of the best two or three bats in the game while playing decent defense. Seager is average defensively and his bat is nothing to write home about either. There’s better production than both to be had for much less money and years.
whyhayzee
I would write home about Pete Seeger and Chick Corea, loved them both.
stymeedone
Where’s this better production to be had? I sure don’t see it in FAs.
Kevin Kubica
Pass on Correa. I’d like to see them sign Conforto, bring back Schwarber, sign Rodon and get some bullpen help for the money they would probably spend on him. Correa will be more than they should be paying at this point.
Tom Emansk1
Name a better middle of the lineup 3-4 than Carlos Correa and Frank Schwindel
whyhayzee
I might be able to drive by Frankie Schwindel’s house this afternoon, I’ll beep my horn.
johnnieleeboo
” Assuage concerns” regarding injuries? Once he gets his contract it’ll be a decade of Hangnail Watch.
jim stem
A few thoughts on Conforto:
Which teams have outfield holes, money and an apparent commitment to making the post season?
1. Rangers
2. Tigers
3. Nationals
4. Cardinals
5. Brewers
6. Angels
7. Twins
8. Giants
9. Braves
10. ??
This list shows one main thing: plenty of teams could use Michael Conforto at 3/60.
He’s lefthanded, plays excellent corner outfield defense, has good hot streaks, always plays hard, is never a clubhouse distraction and, by today’s ‘standards’, is a solid run producer. Slot him anywhere from 5-7 and let him do what he does.
2021 was a tough year for him, no doubt. He lost time due to injury, came back cold, never found his rhythm or timing, and probably just tried to do too much as the team floundered.
He also probably got hurt as much as anyone by the firing of Chili Davis. Conforto really improved every season at the major league level under Davis’ coaching. Like a lot of Mets hitters, they were lost under the 2 new hitting coaches. McNeil, Smith, Davis, Conforto and even Alonso all took steps way back without Chili Davis.
I think a fresh, healthy new start with a new hitting instructor is exactly what Conforto needs.
whyhayzee
He has to go somewhere where he’s more Conforto so he’s no longer unConforto. I tend to agree, the talent is there. All too often the Mets have a tendency to under-develop their hitters. He could be another one “who got away”.
stymeedone
Putting the Tigers no 2 on your list tells me you don’t know much about the Tigers. Detroit has plenty of OFs.
rememberthecoop
Look, there is no way in hell that the Cubs are going to sign Correa. The Cubs are always involved in rumors because they want their fan base to think they’re willing to spend like they should. They fricken print money at Wrigley but Ricketts will never sign off on that kind of expenditure. It’s all a ruse.
CalcetinesBlancos
Chris Davis 2.0, except instead of being unable to hit he’ll be unable to stay on the field.
GETBUCKETS
It’s be interesting to see the stay competing w while rebuild approach the cubs are taking.
The A’s/Rays are outliners as they staying competitive while retooling, not rebuilding.
I’m not sure an all out rebuild is necessary in baseball. Yea you get higher draft choices, but the mlb draft is very different than other pro sports leagues. Money is a factor as you can over pay slots. Players can opt to college. You also have international free agency. Plus the prospect bust is higher in baseball than other sports, barely rarely is there a sure thing prospect.
Some teams have made full rebuilds work like Astros and Braves in particular. But some other teams haven’t reaped benefits.
Thoughts? Full rebuilds work or stay competitive while rebuild?
rememberthecoop
Correa made sure he avoided the IL and put up a great season because he knew he was going to be a FA. Who knows if that motivation continues once he gets his mega-deal. Plus, he doesn’t just want to top Seager’s deal, he wants to go beyond what his buddy got with the Mets. So, it’s going to take at least 10 years and 350MM to sign him.
Stormintazz
Cubs are more than Carlos Correa away from winning the Central.
Richard Alicea
Ok MLBTR lets digest and regurgitate what you said about those teams showing interest. The Braves are not big spenders and will not go beyond 5 or 6 years on a contract, hence Freddie not being signed. The Braves are just kicking the tires as a way to encourage Freddie (scare tactic) to resign; Braves have no intention of pivoting to Correa, plus they won’t go to 300mil.
The Yankees, well they have two young prospects and have two humongous contracts in Stanton and Cole, they are not diving into another 300 plus contract, it ain’t happening.
The Cubs let everyone of their star players leave because they want to reduce payroll. They could have easily retained Baez but didn’t want to pay him, so how do you figure they are in on Correa who is demanding a 300 plus contract, this ain’t happening.
The Astros are lying in wait hoping that no one gives Correa what he’s looking for and they will pounce on him with a decent offer but way short of what he is looking for in years and AAV. If Correa takes a short contract he will do it with the Astros.
Dodgers is another team that allowed their homegrown SS to leave because they didn’t want to entertain a 300plus contract. Their interest is only if Correa doesn’t find a suitor, they will pounce on him with a contract short of the number of years and AAV salary that he’s looking for, I don’t see Correa as a fit with the Dodgers.
Tigers made him an offer that he will probably not see again, this was a terrible gamble for Correa not accepting this offer. The Tigers then pivoted to Baez so they now have their SS for the next 6 years. He ain’t going to Detroit no time soon.
The Red Sox already have a SS who is signed through 2026 and was better defensively then Correa. Unless they are looking at Correa to man 2d base, it ain’t happening. Plus the team has reservations giving out a contract of that size, hence the Mookie Betts trade.
So there you have it, Correa has his work cut out for him and its possible that his best offer was with the Tigers and just like Juan Gonzalez who passed on a 140mil contract never got anything near that amount.
So if I were a betting man, he will head back to the Astros on a team friendly contract of 6-7 years at an AAV of 27-28mil.
MLB Top 100 Commenter
I am sure that, barring an unexpected CBA, Correa could still get the five years and 160 million from Astros or Dodgers. Depends upon CBA and what happens with Bauer contract. Astros might even match the ten years and 275 million depending on CBA.
Richard Alicea
The Dodgers have Trea Turner who is just as good defensively but better offensively than Correa, if I were the Dodgers I would pass and pay Turner the money, because he is better.
stymeedone
Houston being unwilling to give out long contracts is a smart business practice that has nothing to do with the CBA.
AlienBob
@Manny Spotrac shows the Astros are only $24M under the tax threshold after resigning Verlander. They may no longer have the space for Correa. Certainly they would need to get creative.
Richard Alicea
I agree, they may have to get creative by back loading his contract or they can just sign Story who will cost much less and give them basically the same production.
HalosHeavenJJ
Backloading doesn’t impact luxury tax calculations. Those go strictly off the average annual value.
However, it does help actual cash flow so backloading would mitigate a cash crunch from paying the tax.
Best Screenname Ever
Sox also have a Top 10 prospect in ss Marcelo Mayer. Paying $300MM to Correa after the club signs X to a responsible contract and drafts Mayer, is the most un-Chaim thing there is.
TexasLeaguer
The contract is going to be 8-10 years and won’t exceed 300 million. The deal will include a few opt outs and he’s probably opting out after a front loaded, three years. That’s why he’ll be a cub.
TexasLeaguer
The contract is going to be 8-10 years and won’t exceed 300 million. The deal will include a few opt outs and he’s probably opting out after a front loaded, three years. That’s why he’s gonna be a cub.
Ogie Oglethorpe
While his glove alone is awesome, if he wants a 30M++ salary for 10 years, call me when he hits over .300(besides 2017), has more than 30 HR’s and strikes out less than 100 times.
48-team MLB
Here are the next three World Series appearances and results for the Chicago teams.
Based on the opponent, it should be easy to tell which Chicago team is being referred to since they play in different leagues.
2024: Loss to Braves
2026: Win over Marlins
2028: Win over Athletics
HalosHeavenJJ
Never count Arte Moreno out of signing a position player when we need pitching and hindering the team for years.
And, of course, expect his back to go out about 4 games into the season.
Rsox
I wouldn’t be surprised at all to see Arte jump in. I can’t see the Angels being happy going into spring training with a Tyler Wade/Andrew Velazquez platoon at SS
lumber and lighting
Cubs let every go just to sign Correa?I don’t believe 1 word.You let hometown champions go for a drum major.I say BS story
lumber and lighting
Halos Heaven JJ,I would prefer Story at Baez money.Arte needs to treat our minors more seriously and with human decency ,rebuild a bullpen,& SS.I think the Angels are close and we r losing Upton next yr.So we could actually sign a big contract by getting ahead of Uptons vacancy.Arte needs to match dollar for dollar with the Dodgers and give Trout a chance to be a champion and the GOAT.
SeanStL
This makes no sense. The Cubs have a decent young shortstop and are rebuilding. They should have signed Baez for less money and years if they wanted a SS. Correa is going to completely under perform and be hurt. It’ll be Heyward all over again. They need pitching and OF. I can’t think of one reason to give him a huge contract.
buggs
baez was a very undisciplined hitter! He could hit a few home runs but he was not a good hitter, very few walks, very many strikeouts and very little plate discipline! Not a fan of baez
stymeedone
Here’s what we know
AL East:
Bal- has payroll space, no SS, no sign of interest.
Bos- tight payroll, Boegarts, Bloom hasn’t spent since arriving.
NYY- tight payroll, no SS, near ready MiL SS, need to sign Judge
TAM- won’t spend, franchise SS
TOR- has payroll, Bichette, needs LH bat (maybe, not perfect fit)
AL Central
CHI- highest payroll ever, Anderson, doubtful
CLE- limited payroll, Rosario, can’t afford.
DET- has payroll, Baez, ones enough.
MIN- could afford, Rogers time?, too expensive
KC- limited payroll, franchise SS almost ready, nope
AL West
HOU- has payroll space, no SS, not giving more than 6 yrs
LAA- limited payroll, Fletcher, limited contract lengths
OAK- nope, Andrus, rebuilding
SEA- money to spend, Crawford, not moving Crawford off SS, paying Cano
Tex- just bought 2 SS
stymeedone
NL East
Atl- limited payroll, Swanson, wants Freeman back.
Mia- some payroll, Rojas, not their m.o.
NYM- stupid money, Lindor, likely not this stupid
PHI- at CBT, Stotts soon, Anything possible with Dombrowski
WAS- has payroll, no SS, freq. Boros buyer.
NL Central
CHI- has payroll, no SS, are they rebuilding?
CIN- lowering payroll, Farmer
MIL- low payroll, Adames, too expensive.
Pit- constant rebuild
StL- some space, DeJong/Sosa, unlikely but possible.
NL West
ARZ- rebuilding, Ahmad
COL- some space, McMahon?, no idea what they’re doing.
LAD- highest payroll, Turner, no need.
SDG- over cap and trying to dump salary, Tatis
SFG- have payroll, Crawford, avoids long term deals
ElmerFudd
Yep, doubt HOU will up their offer, not all roses in Houston for Correa. Best for Correa may be to stay where he is, but money and prestige probably have Carlos by the neck.
Altuves Buzzer
Really hope Toronto stays out on him. Even at 5/150 I don’t know that I would want the player, I’d take the skills, but not the player.