6:20 PM: Though he doesn’t have specifics on offers made by the Mets and Jays, Heyman further reports that Kikuchi has multiple three-year offers on the table. Whether those offers are from either Toronto or New York — or whether he signs before the near-certain lockout in a few hours — remains to be seen.
9:58 AM: The starting pitching market has been red hot of late as teams have been trying to bolster their rotations before the current CBA expires tonight, which is widely expected to lead to a lockout and transaction freeze. One intriguing name that remains available is Yusei Kikuchi. The lefty has attracted the attention of the Blue Jays, according to MLB Network’s Jon Heyman, as well as the Mets, per Andy Martino of SNY.
Kikuchi, 30, is one of the more difficult pitchers to value on the market. After a dominant run in Japan’s NPB over eight seasons, Kikuchi was signed by the Mariners but struggled in his first MLB season in 2019. In 161 2/3 innings that year, his ERA was 5.46, along with a ground ball rate of 44% and meager strikeout rate of 16.1%. In the shortened 2020 campaign, he dropped his ERA only slightly, to 5.17. However, his strikeout rate jumped to 24.2% and his groundball rate to 52%, perhaps indicating that better results were ahead.
For the first few months of 2021, Kikuchi seemed to hit his stride. By July, he was pitching so well that it seemed the Mariners had a tough decision on their hands, as explored by MLBTR’s Steve Adams. At that time, Kikuchi had an ERA of 3.18, strikeout rate of 25.4% and 53.8% grounder rate. It started to seem possible that the club could trigger a four-year option over Kikuchi, that would pay him $66MM for the 2022-2025 seasons. However, Kikuchi faded down the stretch, posting a 6.22 ERA, 23.3 strikeout rate and 10.3 BB% from July 7th onward, getting bumped from the rotation before the season ended. In the end, the Mariners passed on their option, leaving Kikuchi to decide whether or not to trigger a $13MM player option for the 2022 season. Despite his sluggish finish this year, he decided to leave that money on the table and test free agency. MLBTR ranked him 34th among this year’s free agents, predicting a contract of $20MM over two years.
The Blue Jays’ rotation took a couple of hits in recent weeks, as Robbie Ray and Steven Matz departed for the Mariners and Cardinals, respectively. However, they mitigated the damage somewhat by signing Kevin Gausman to slot in next to Jose Berrios, Hyun-Jin Ryu and Alek Manoah. Although they have options for the fifth slot, such as Ross Stripling, Nate Pearson and Thomas Hatch, Stripling has often been used as a swingman out of the bullpen, while Pearson and Hatch are still young and dealt with injuries in 2021. Adding Kikuchi could bump those options to the bullpen or the minors and improve the overall depth of the staff.
The Mets have been one of the most active teams in free agency lately, going on a spending spree that included the pickups of Max Scherzer, Starling Marte, Mark Canha and Eduardo Escobar. That has pushed the team’s 2022 payroll to a massive $263MM, per Jason Martinez of Roster Resource. Prior to Steve Cohen purchasing the team a year ago, the franchise record payroll was $158MM in 2019. To sign Kikuchi, they would likely have to continue pushing their budget to new record-breaking levels. If they are willing to do so, Kikuchi would add an extra safety net to a rotation that is high on talent but which also has injury concerns, as Jacob deGrom and Carlos Carrasco both missed significant time in 2021. Scherzer, deGrom, Carrasco and Taijuan Walker would take up four rotation spots, if healthy, with younger options like Tylor Megill and David Peterson on hand as likely candidates for the backend.
southern lion
I thought Robbie Ray signed with Seattle, not the Rangers.
KcsMsFan
He did. Officially announced today.
Please, Hammer. Don't hurt 'em.
I wouldn’t trust a guy who turns down a higher salary for 1 year so he can get a lower salary for more years. The players who believe in themselves want the most money up front so they can prove who they are and get the bigger contract after that. A bad finish to the season is the worst time to take a long year deal unless the player is only expecting to get worse.
Cool site and chat group. I like what a lot of you say.
miggy4prez
I don’t like your comment but your username is rock solid so you’re cool
cleonswoboda
Fred Williamson?
Fred Park
I said last year that he is finished, and I still think that.
His “out” pitch disappeared when he “lost feel for the changup”, as he put it.
If I see that, then everybody else must, especially the scouts and management of clubs everywhere. Mustn’t they?
What happens to him is anybody’s guess.
Chipper Jones' illegitimate kid
Those same people will also see why he lost his changeup and will try to fix him. Anyone can spot a broken engine, few can fix it. That’s why they’re called mechanics.
Fred Park
Some cannot be fixed. That’s my point.
The coaches worked hard to help him, but to no avail.
bigdaddyt
Pete Walker turned Ray from a flyer to a Cy Young winner.
Dustyslambchops23
He should spent more time on Dolis and Chatwood
bigdaddyt
To be fair 2020 Doils was good, think both suffered majorly from the sticky ban. Also chatwood had attitude issues with coaching staff and showed them up multiple times
Dustyslambchops23
Yah I was just being tongue and cheek I like Walker a lot but the player needs to supply the work and the talent, something Ray clearly had.
analyzer87
Was just thinking this. He also turned matz around too. Kikuchi would be a perfect toy for pete walker and the jays
Al Hirschen
All of baseball wants to play for Uncle Stevie and his New York Mets
miggy4prez
“I said last year” sources please
Fred Park
miggy, I gave that opinion about Kikuchi last season, 2021, on MLB Trade Rumors, sometime after the all-star break.
My opinion was then, and still is, that Kikuchi’s body had given all it had and was used up.
The same principle is true of some fighters I have known. Just inexplicably stop being good and no one can help them.
There are things that cannot be explained no matter what authority or statistic you have.
Just get used up. That’s Kikuchi.
If he does somehow bounce back, well I will be around and you can rub my face in it..
All we can do now is wait and see.
bucketbrew35
As a Phillies fan, I strongly endorse the Mets sighing Kikuchi. I already have visions of his pitches being shellacked by Harper and Hoskins.
Kruk it
No.Hoskins would rather walk
DarkSide830
that’s fine. he can walk ahead of Harper then.
Bill M
There are still some proven MLB starters available that would be a safer bet…
Unless you’re hungry for a left hander in your rotation .
houkenflouken
A left hander that throws around 97 mph nonetheless
KcsMsFan
Good luck… most inconsistent pitcher I’ve ever seen. You don’t know if you are getting BP Kikuchi or all star form Kikuchi. His control is all over the place. He has games where he is spiking the ball into the ground halfway to home plate. I think his success is also linked a little bit to that erraticness which is a scary proposition to trust.
Ham Fighter
I agree sometimes he’s human batting practice sometimes he’s throwing 98 mph and striking out 10 through 6 innings.
Metsin777
Id rather have Hill over this guy
mppg
I’d like to see the Jays sign him. Pitching coach Pete Walker did wonders for both Ray and Matz. Maybe he can fix Kikuchi too.
meckert
I’m your Hootchie Kikuchi Man.
Travis’ Wood
For anyone who wants their favorite team to sign Kikuchi go look at his statcast page and it will change your mind. Mega yikes
Joseph Gonzalez
Every time I have seen him on TV he legit reminds me of kei Igawa. Oh man was his stint something huh v_v
bigdaddyhacks
Buyer beware, once the sticky stuff went away this dude lost his rotation spot. He’s terrible.
garywang00
If signing this guy means bringing in his country man Seiya Suzuki then do it. 20mm AAV for this pair !
Mets projected lineup is a downgrade from the last season:
Baez > Escobar
Conforto > Cahna
Marte is a great addition but he is an on-base guy not the type that drives in runs.
metsie1
LOL. That’s nice. Today is December 1st. Lots of off-season left.
miggy4prez
“Marte is just an on-base guy” maybe worst comment of the year
mlb1225
He’s a solid low-risk guy for a tea like the Pirates, Orioles, or Nationals. But if I were a contender, I’d only sign him if I already have a strong rotation and just looking to round it out. I actually had him going back overseas in the free agent prediction contest.
smuzqwpdmx
The longer the lockout lasts with him not having signed before it, the more likely he’ll sign in Japan. But his $13M option was more than Japan will pay him, so apparently he believes he can do better.
NyHoppz
Why can’t they just sign Stroman and hill?
Camden453
Kershaw to the Mets
TennVol
Interesting pitcher. Jays love the splitter and Gausman is coming in with his league best splitter. I think the Jays believe they can clean up his mechanics and get a much better pitcher out of him.
Mario93
If I’m the Jays I leave this guy alone. That era is not nice, I doubt he’ll turn a corner in the A.L east having to go against the Rays, Red Sox and Yankees. Not happening.
A Blue Jay from Cuba
I don’t like blue jays signing kikuchi too much inconsistent
slimmycito
Ray was super inconsistent as recently as 2020.
BuJoBi
Ray also had previous success
houkenflouken
Kikuchi was so frustrating. Throws 95-97 pretty regularly. Just could not command anything, especially his fastball. He has the stuff tho so any team who signs him will think they can fix his command.
PitcherMeRolling
Seems like he’d be a fine swing man at $5ishM with a team or vesting option for year 2. But, not for 2/20.
slimmycito
Pearson ain’t that young, he turns 26 next season.
bucsfan0004
Wish i was 26
bjhaas1977
I’d rather the Mets sign Dick Mountain!
phenomenalajs
ISWYDT using Rich Hill’s stage name! Very nice! For nostalgia, he’d pair well with Big Sexy.
dsett75
Kikuchi wouldn’t be a bad 5th in a good rotation, imho.
radhippo
Great fit for the Angels and their 6-man rotation.
2-20mil is worth the shot.
crazybaseballgal
As a Mariners fan all I can say that I’m glad Kikuchi is no longer with us. Humble guy who seems like a decent human I wish him no ill will. But egads. He was even pulled from the rotation near the end of thee season because he was horrible. Hope the Astros sign him.
jamaicajan
Definitely glad to be off that rollercoaster!
Jal179
As a Jays fan I thought was interested… reading this thread not do much. He seems so tantalizing. I just envision paint at 98 mph.
TalkingBaseball
Man I hope the Jays get him! I’d prefer he goes to an AL West team though.
C-Daddy
As a fifth or sixth starter for a reasonable price, sure. He can’t be much worse than Stripling.
Dustyslambchops23
There was an extended stretch last year where Stripling was absolutely fantastic
Dustyslambchops23
Just checked. It was June
5 starts, 28 IP, 10 ER, 29 K, 7 BB
C-Daddy
Yeah, he had a good run at one point and isn’t terrible, but I’d feel better about the rotation if he weren’t in it.
smuzqwpdmx
I don’t mind Stripling ending up in the rotation, but I want that to be after the injuries hit. Penciling him in as the #5 before injuries means probably relying on Hatch and Pearson and who knows who else for much of the year.
Ma4170
If the Mets sign him to a three year deal that’s a bad move… he hasn’t been good other than a couple of hot stretches… way too up and down
Larry Bernandez 1324IM
Kikuchi should go to the Giants for 1 year if he wants to reestablish himself
to4
Come to Toronto Kikuchi !
1.Gausman
2.Jin-Ryu
3.Berrios
4.Kikuchi
5.Manoah
6.Pearson
I could live with that to start the season as long as they sign Bryant as well or trade for Ramirez or both. We need to replace Semien’s bat and get an additional one to get over that 1 game that kept us from making the WC !
citizen
High AL era. Try the NL for a change
jim stem
I’d rather see the Mets deal for John Means if possible. Or maybe Danny Duffy.