The Marlins’ abundance of riches in the rotation has led to trade speculation for quite some time, particularly given Miami’s desire to land a controllable outfielder. Jon Morosi of MLB.com reported last month that the Fish were amenable to dealing from their starting pitching surplus. They’ve since thinned out the depth a little bit by trading Zach Thompson to the Pirates as part of the Jacob Stallings deal, but it’s possible they’re open to another move that addresses the position player group.
It stands to reason rival teams will be in contact with Marlins general manager Kim Ng and her staff whenever the transactions freeze comes to an end. With that in mind, it’s worth taking a look at which pitchers could come up in discussions:
Best Combination of Value/Potential Availability
According to Morosi, the Marlins’ early deliberations about the possibility of trading a starter revolved around their three hurlers with between three and four years of big league service time. Sandy Alcantara has since signed a record-setting extension for a pitcher in that service bucket, so he’s not going anywhere. That leaves two starters as Miami’s most straightforward candidates for this kind of move:
Pablo López — López has been quietly excellent over the past two seasons. He’s got a 3.26 ERA across 160 innings since the start of 2020, including a 3.07 mark this past season. There’s not much to nitpick in his statistical profile. The 25-year-old uses a five-pitch mix. He’s got plus control, misses a few more bats than average and — thanks mostly to one of the sport’s best changeups — rarely gives up hard contact. With three years of control and a modest $2.5MM projected arbitration salary, López would have a ton of trade value if he’d gotten through the 2021 campaign fully healthy.
Yet the situation’s complicated by a shoulder injury that cost him essentially the entire second half. López landed on the IL in mid-July and didn’t return until the final day of the season, when he worked just 1 2/3 innings in a deliberately abbreviated start. His velocity returned to peak levels and it’s possible López’s shoulder problem proves nothing more than a blip, but any team looking into an acquisition this offseason will surely do their due diligence on a medical evaluation.
Elieser Hernández — Hernández missed much of the 2021 campaign because of a pair of long-term injuries. He lost two months early in the year to biceps inflammation. In his first start back after that absence, he strained his right quad while running the bases and missed another couple months. Those absences limited him to 51 2/3 frames of 4.18 ERA ball. Hernández doesn’t throw hard, and he couldn’t sustain the massive 32.1% strikeout rate he posted over a six-start showing in 2020. But he still missed a decent amount of bats with both his slider and changeup, and he rarely hands out free passes.
Like López, he comes with three years of what should be affordable arbitration control. At age 26, Hernández has value, but it’s not at the same level as his rotation mate. In addition to his overall lack of volume over the past couple seasons, Hernández is a fly-ball pitcher who gives up a lot of hard contact, particularly on his fastball. That’s led to significant home run troubles even in the pitcher-friendly confines of Marlins Park, and teams in more hitter-friendly environments may worry he’s too prone to the longball to be successful. Perhaps curtailing the use of his fastball and leaning more heavily on his solid secondary weapons could allow him to mitigate those concerns a bit.
Back-of-the-Rotation Depth Options
Braxton Garrett — Garrett’s stock has dipped since he was selected seventh overall in the 2016 draft. He’s made a few MLB starts over the past two seasons, though, and Garrett had a 3.89 ERA with decent strikeout and walk rates in Triple-A this past season. He’s not going to headline a deal for a controllable outfielder, but he could be of interest to clubs as a secondary or tertiary piece.
Nick Neidert — Neidert is in a similar bucket as Garrett. He’s a formerly well-regarded prospect who has had a decent amount of minor league success but hasn’t impressed in limited big league time. The righty rarely misses bats but possesses very strong control.
Cody Poteet — Potent debuted with seven starts this past season, working to a 4.99 ERA across 30 2/3 innings before suffering a season-ending MCL sprain. He’s not likely to have a ton of value and the Fish will probably hold onto him into the season, but he did miss a decent amount of bats for a sixth/seventh starter in his limited showing.
Highly-Regarded Young Pitchers/Top Prospects
It’d be a surprise if the Marlins trade anyone in this group — each of whom could see their value increase substantially if they take a reasonable developmental step next season. It’s not out of the question the Fish take calls on anyone in this group, but they’re perhaps more relevant as a reminder of the enviable collection of young pitching that could facilitate a deal involving someone else on the roster.
Edward Cabrera — Cabrera’s first seven MLB starts didn’t go as hoped. He’s one of the sport’s most highly-regarded pitching prospects and posted massive strikeout rates in the high minors though, and he averaged almost 97 MPH on his heater in the big leagues. It’s possible the Marlins consider moving Cabrera, but he’d likely have to be a key piece of a deal for a controllable star in the Cedric Mullins or Ketel Marte mold for that to happen.
Jesús Luzardo — The return from the A’s for Starling Marte at last summer’s trade deadline, Luzardo continued to struggle over the final couple months in Miami. The 2021 season was a disaster for the young southpaw, but he’s only a year removed from being ranked among the top ten overall prospects by Baseball America. The Marlins liked him enough to land him one-for-one for their star center fielder a few months ago, so it seems likely they’ll give him a chance at a rebound.
Max Meyer — The third overall pick out of the University of Minnesota in the 2020 draft, Meyer dominated at Double-A during his first pro season. He’s one of the sport’s top prospects. As with Cabrera, it’d be a surprise if he’s available and he’d only be part of a deal for a star.
Sixto Sánchez — Sánchez, a top prospect who headlined the J.T. Realmuto return from Philadelphia, impressed over his first seven MLB starts in 2020. He missed the entire 2021 campaign due to a shoulder issue that required surgery. He’s expected to be ready for next season, but it’s not an opportune time for the Marlins to consider a trade.
The Likely Unavailable All-Star
Nobody in the Marlins rotation would bring back more than Trevor Rogers. The former first-round pick was an All-Star and the National League’s Rookie of the Year runner-up in 2021. Coming off a season in which he posted a 2.64 ERA/3.72 SIERA across 133 innings, Rogers looks like a potential top-of-the-rotation stalwart for years to come. He’s controllable through 2026 and would bring back an absolute haul — likely headlined by one of the sport’s top few position player prospects — if the Marlins ever decided to make him available. That’d be an incredibly bold bet on the strength of the other rotation arms, though, one which the front office probably wouldn’t give much thought.
López and Hernández are the Marlins’ best candidates for a pitcher-for-position player swap. Given the attrition rates of pitchers, it’s arguable the front office should hold onto as much depth as possible to give themselves plenty of cover for potential injuries or underperformance. Yet there are plenty of options of varying pedigree Ng and her staff could consider moving in the right deal, a testament to the organization’s commitment to building the pitching pipeline in recent years.
ajrodz1335
Pablo López for Manuel Margot
MikeBean
Genius
Dorothy_Mantooth
More like Lopez for Margot, Lowe and Bitzgo.
Rsox
Rays are more likely to trade Kiermaier than Margot. Whether it’s KK or Josh Lowe in CF in TB next year they will want a RH hitter they can pair with them.
Perhaps Kiermaier for Brian Anderson and and Eleiser Hernandez. The Marlins lineup is very righty heavy and they would get a good defender in CF. Anderson can DH and play some 3B/RF in TB and Hernandez seems like a Rays type pitcher seeing as he could serve as a Starter/swing man
Pete'sView
Marlins wouldn’t make that deal. Kermaier is owed about $8.8M and is offensively challenged, and is beginning to age, as speedy OF are wont to do.
I’m not sure Marlins would even give up Anderson (not a FA till 2024) straight up for KK. And Hernandez (a FA in 2025) has more upside than the aging Kiermaier.
Dorothy_Mantooth
@RSox – There’s zero chance of Miami making that deal even if Tampa agreed to eat 1/2 of KK’s salary. While his CBT hit is around $9M, KK is owed $14.5 in 2022; a $12M base salary plus a $2.5M buyout on a 2023 option. He’s not worth anywhere near that amount of money and you expect Miami to send 2 lower priced starting players with years of control left back to Tampa in return for one year of an overpriced KK? If you ask me, Tampa would be willing to give KK away for little to no return so long as the acquiring team pays the full $14.5M owed to him. That’s just the way Tampa operates. Miami will receive a lot better offers than KK to help them in the OF.
MarlinsFanBase
Marlins wouldn’t trade Bryan Anderson straight up for KK.
Kathryn R. Harris
hhyyu
rockofloveusa
right / knowing he can play rf /3b good as he does
SalaryCapMyth
You know..if you’re just trolling, couldn’t at least try to clue us in a little more? I mean, if I told all my friends the punch line to a joke without the story behind it, how do they know to laugh?
But if you are being serious than you really don’t understand how trades between two baseball teams work.
ajrodz1335
I love Marlins Fans. TB still the best team in FL
MarlinsFanBase
Marlins have the most championships of the teams in FL.
rockofloveusa
. TB still the best team in FL right till jeter proves ther wise .
before jeter no . plus your crazy to think it about that.. why i thing marlins and rays should play ten games each year. it fun to watch.
if dh in both league it be crazy to have two teams in any state.
to4
That would be a steal for the Rays!
MLB Top 100 Commenter
Margot might net one or two of those back of the rotations options, but not Pablo Lopez. I actually like Margot, but he will not be a big get for Miami.
Big Smoke
Knowing this is MLBTR, I knew the mocks here were gonna be god awful. Didn’t take long to find one
Deleted Userrr
The article says the Marlins want a “controllable” outfielder. Manuel Margot is a free agent next offseason.
Mrsuntan
Im a rays fan and was thinking the same thing, id do it in a heartbeat
DarkSide830
I’d honestly consider dealing Sixto. he’s shown well enough in the Majors to be highly desirable, but his injury history is starting to become concerning, especially moreso that his injuries jave become more and more frequent.
YankeesBleacherCreature
He’s not a free agent until 2028. Marlins have all the more reason to hold onto to him than sell low now.
DarkSide830
i wouldnt sell him for pennies on the dollar, but if you only think you’re going to get, say, 3.5 years worth of starts out him over those years then trading him for 4 years worth of talent at another position would be wise. im not suggesting selling low, but if you get a worthy deal then they should consider it.
StudWinfield
One of Sanchez/Cabrera/Meyer and Lopez for Mullins or Marte.
DarkSide830
might take more for Mullins
We Stay Hungry We Devour
It take a lot more to get marte then Mullins
DarkSide830
No. Marte is a pending FA and BAL seems content to not trade Mullins.
Dorothy_Mantooth
Neither one is a free agent after this year. Marte is controllable for 3 more seasons
and I believe Mullins has another 4 years of control left.
Rsox
Marte actually has two team options so he’s only a pending free agent if the D’backs decide they don’t want to pay him (in which they would certainly trade him)
Marte does not solve the CF issue as he is moving back to 2B in Arizona next season. Trading for a player and forcing him to play a position he doesn’t like/isn’t comfortable is a waste for both team and players spent
DarkSide830
oops, my bad there. did kinda think i was missing something there. facepalm.
Trey Buchet
The opposite.
Dorothy_Mantooth
Baltimore would jump all over an offer of Meyer & Lopez for Mullens. I don’t see Miami trading Meyer to anyone; the kid has legitimate ace potential and is only 22 years old. He and Rodgers are the building blocks of the next dominant Miami pitching staff.
jbigz12
Elias passed on Meyer once so he could sign the great Heston Kjerstad to add to our defensively challenged corner guys stable.
Meyer/Lopez is a good offer but let’s be real here. If the O’s are dealing Mullins—what good is having Pablo Lopez??
The O’s might not be playoff contenders in 3 years with Mullins. They certainly aren’t going to be without.
It’d make more sense for BAL to target some combo of Sixto/Meyer/Cabrera.
Pete'sView
Would take more than just one of those. Meyer would bring a lot more.
SalaryCapMyth
Mullins has has a similar value to Rogers so would you be willing to make that same kind of offer if it was Rogers you were trying to trade for?
The Baseball Fan
Cabrera, Garret Cooper and ptnbl for Mullins
Rsox
Garrett Cooper>Trey Mancini
The Marlins are in such an enviable position to have so much young pitching depth to deal from (and OF depth) they could probably put together a trade for just about anyone they may want.
Hopefully Jeter, Ng and co. are smarter than to pull a Preller and trade it all away trying to put together a playoff run
jbigz12
Cooper is a really good hitter in short stints. He’s never healthy enough to do it for a full year so I’m not so sure about that.
I think Mancini bounces back huge next year. He wore down in the 2nd half significantly. I’m going to attribute that to the cancer recovery.
Wish the O’s would extend him. Bat 1st corner guys don’t go for a ton and he’s coming off a down year. The team needs to put some $$ out and Mancini is a fan favorite also.
tstats
Elias says, ok and what else…
Joey Slye-vermectin
Luis Campusano for Max Meyers as the headliners
Edward Cabrera and Eliser Hernandez as headliners for Cedric Mullins
Mariners could move Kyle Lewis or Jarred Kelenic to the Marlins for some pitching.
Rsox
As of right now Meyers is an overpay for Campusano. What is he, 4th on the Padres Catcher depth chart now?
Cabrera and Hernandez for Mullins is probably fair
Marlins need a CF but i doubt the Mariners are giving up Kelenic unless Cabrera, Hernandez, Meyers, and at least one or two more players are involved. Lewis on the other hand could probably be had as injuries may have pushed him off to the side in Seattle
Mjm117
@rsox you must be really high on Kelenic if the price for the fish is the Marlins controllable #4/#5 start in Hernandez , 2 top 50 prospects in baseball PLUS 2 more players.
Btw Marlins would also need to pay for Robbie Rays contract as well the extension for Cabrera and Meyers for the M’s to even consider this offer
MLB Top 100 Commenter
Meyers is too much for Campusano. Wayyyyy toooo muchhh!
Cabrera and Hernandez is not quite enough for Mullins. I don’t see either team making that deal.
Mariners will keep Kelenic but they would take Meyers and Cabrera with nothing else added. Fish will not make that trade.
I like a small trade maybe Hernandez for Kyle Lewis or Taylor Trammell. Marlins should save their best assets but trade a lesser pitcher for a true center fielder in case Avisail in CF does not work as well as they hope.
DarkSide830
I’d be floored if SEA traded Kelenic this offseason.
Pete'sView
Joey-Slye – None of your suggestions are far off, although I don’t know enough about Campusano’s glove. Seems like Padres would still need to kick more into the deal.
Dorothy_Mantooth
Again, there is no way Miami is moving Max Meyers, unless he is part of a package to get a superstar like Soto. That’s how high Miami is on his potential. An offer of Campusano for Meyers might result in Kim Ng erasing the Padres phone number from her phone.
MLB Top 100 Commenter
Dorothy:
Max Meyer is a top 30 prospect, It would not take Soto! But it might take Julio Rodriguez, CJ Abrams or Jasson Dominguez to get both Meyer. At least those are the only three prospects that if I am the fish I would consider for Meyer.
jbigz12
Dorothy
His name doesn’t have an “S” in it for one thing. If you’re going to be singing his praises so loudly you have to get that right.
Anyhow, he’s a very good prospect. But I think you’re overselling him. Edward Cabrera was viewed by some to be as good of a pitching prospect as Meyer. Meyer still has some high upside reliever risk because he only has 2 plus pitches and his control isn’t excellent. His 2 pitches are electric though. There’s no doubt he’d be a shutdown high leverage reliever if it didn’t work out.
Cabrera and Meyer are actually similar in that regard. I’d give the edge to Meyer as the prospect but I don’t think he’s that untouchable.
Dorothy_Mantooth
Someone floated this idea earlier this week but I think it was so reasonable that I’ll suggest it again. Pablo Lopez to Boston for Jarren Duran. While Duran struggled when called up last year for a brief period, he has a ton a talent / potential and is controllable for another 6 seasons. He could plug right into CF in Miami and use his speed to play above average defense and steal 30+ bases. Plus he has 20+ HR power too. I’d hate to see Boston trade their one, legitimate OF prospect but if Lopez’s shoulder is healthy, he could slot right in as Boston’s #3 starter this year and replace Eovaldi as their #2 starter in 2023. It’s a great match for both clubs. Boston might have to throw in a lower level prospect as well, but it would be more of a lottery ticket vs. a Top 20 system prospect.
Rsox
The Sox would almost certainly have to add at least a pair of lower level prospects to the deal (maybe Wong or Ronaldo Hernandez and?)
Duran would certainly give the Marlins something they need though, a Center Fielder with a lot of team control. Plus playing in Miami is a lot less stressful than playing in Boston or the AL East in general. The Marlins can afford to be patient and give him AB’s even when he’s struggling
MarlinsFanBase
I didn’t realize that Kim Ng’s job was to make the Red Sox better instead of trying to make the Marlins better.
Mjm117
Marlins should be able to do better than Duran for Lopez
MLB Top 100 Commenter
Duran? No mas. He is a 25 year old minor leaguer.
Julio Rodriguez, CJ Abrams or Jasson Dominguez, yes please.
Duran, I would offer Hernandez and Popeet. Red Sox would naturally decline.
whosehighpitch
Trade Sixto back to the Phillies for Hoskins. Add more on the trade and get Rodgers for Kingery and Hasely
Rsox
The Marlins have Jesus Aguilar, Garrett Cooper, and Lewin Diaz, why would they want Hoskins?
Marlins aren’t trading Rogers either. And certainly not for Kingery and Haseley
DarkSide830
dont listen to this troll
whosehighpitch
I would keep Aguilar and Cooper before Hoskins too but an upgrade is an upgrade
Rsox
Ummm, who’s the upgrade then? Its fairly one-sided with the Marlins giving the Phillies two good young starters in return for garbage
whosehighpitch
I agree Hoskins is garbage but Kingery could be a super utility guy with an affordable contract which the Marlins love and a CF option with Haseley who both need a change of scenery
Rsox
If the Phillies don’t think Haseley is the answer in CF why would the Marlins?
The Phillies are in need as much or more than the Marlins for a Center Fielder and here you are trading two of the three in-house options the Phillies have
Dodger Dog
What would it take for LAD to land López?
Rsox
Diego Cartaya and either Cody Hoese or Miguel Vargas
Dodger Dog
I don’t think Dodgers trade Cartaya because they have already dealt away all their other C depth the past couple off-seasons but seems like a framework of a deal. Andy Pages has been destroying baseballs and plays OF, maybe they can work something around him.
Rsox
Marlins have lots of Outfielder prospects.
The Dodgers do have Carson Taylor and Jesus Galiz on the way so to get a solid controllable starter they may be willing to part with Cartaya
Dodger Dog
You may be right, but with Austin Barnes a free agent after this upcoming season most people (I encounter) see Cartaya coming up into the back up role for 2023 behind Smith.
MLB Top 100 Commenter
Vargas will replace Justin Turner. Will Smith is young so Cartaya could be on the table. More likely, Pepiot and Miller. I don’t see it. Maybe Busch and Pages go to A’s instead.
jbigz12
I’m sorry on Pablo Lopez but I don’t think a guy with 3 years of control who never eclipsed more than 111 big league innings in a season should be bringing back top 25 prospects in all of baseball ++
He’s been a really good 5 inning starter. If those kind of offers are coming in-NG should jump
Noel1982
Another team with no need to trade for dom smith and or jd davis , so Mets nation and I can move on here ! Curious to see if that’s the case with all 29 other teams! So far have seen around 23 teams with no use for either to trade anything valuable for them
Rsox
Davis could be cut tomorrow and the Mets won’t lose anything. Smith has trade value as a DH. Toronto, Oakland, Texas, Minnesota, maybe Cleveland all could use a lefty power bat. The problem is the return may not be high as everyone knows Smith is redundant on the Mets roster as it currently stands
jbigz12
That’s just kind of nonsense. JD Davis can flat out hit.
He doesn’t have trade value like some Mets fans throw him around here think but he’s a hitter.
If we go to universal DH—he has a spot in somebody’s everyday lineup. He’s not going to fetch a big return but there’s value.
Noel1982
I might have been wrong if Mets package smith and Davis together they might be able to get some cash and a couple or prime t bone steaks from owner of said time to Steven Cohen
Pete'sView
J.D. Davis “cut?” Definitely not. Where would you get that idea?
Deleted Userr
Max Meyer should wear #16 when he comes up to the Majors!
AgentF
Nobody should wear that number in Miami again. Total shame and a horrible loss for all of baseball.
MarlinsFanBase
When you’re swimming near a bridge, don’t fall for the troll’s bait.
Deleted Userr
Why not? It’s just another number.
MLB Top 100 Commenter
Observer:
Are you Grendel, Dunker or Dovregubben?
Because it is obvious that you are a troll.
Deleted Userr
You’re the troll 😉
MLB Top 100 Commenter
Hey now, I’m an all-star.
DarkSide830
Smashmouth is that you?
MLB Top 100 Commenter
Bingo!
leftcoaster
Elieser is the one to swipe from the Marlins.
DarkSide830
agreed. think he could be easier to swipe but may have more upside than the rest of the list.
MarlinsFanBase
Elieser is the easiest to acquire. He does not have more upside than quite a few guys on this list.
leftcoaster
505 k’s in 475 minor league innings. 3.13 era and 1.16 ratio. The kid knows how to pitch and once he gets healthy, comfortable and starts rolling in the show he’ll be a very solid #3 pitcher. I’d snatch him right now while he can be had relatively inexpensively.
rockofloveusa
. TB still the best team in FL right till jeter proves ther wise .
before jeter no . plus your crazy to think it about that.. why i thing marlins and rays should play ten games each year. it fun to watch.
if dh in both league it be crazy to have two teams in any state.
3768902
Twins and Marlins should trade Maxes. Kepler for Meyer.
MarlinsFanBase
Why would the Marlins trade for another corner OF – and him being 29 year old mediocrity?
Pete'sView
While I get that Kepler (who I’ve always liked for the Giants) may be able to play some center, he probably isn’t much better than Garcia there.
And I’m absolutely sure the Marlins don’t give Meyer away for Kepler.
MarlinsFanBase
The Marlins likely aim for the following rotation next year, and storing a couple of others:
1 – Alcantara
2 – Rogers
3 – Lopez
4 – Sixto
5 – Luzardo
Storing: Meyer and Cabrera
Most likely to be traded – Elieser Hernandez.
MLB Top 100 Commenter
I do not think the Luzardo experiment will go well. Not sure Sixto will be ready in 2022, but I expect a comeback in 2023.
Habeto
Why not? Last year, 5 of his last 7 starts were somehow good with 3 of them really good.
If no starters are traded, there is a good problem to have for the last 2 rotations spots, and Hernández has the advantage for one of them; between Cabrera, Sixto, Luzardo, Neidert and even Poteet is the fight for that last spot.
I would trade Elieser for Laureano… A’s fans?
Habeto
Elieser for Happ… Cubs fans?
Elieser + prospect for Grisham… Padres fans?
Elieser + prospect for K Lewis … M’s fans?
Elieser + prospect for Straw … G’s fans?
MLB Top 100 Commenter
Elieser Hernandez plus Cody Poteet for Kyle Lewis would be good for Marlins.
Lewis may be relegated to a backup with Mariners.
Habeto
Nah. Not a fair deal. Lewis had a bad season and even though all those control years the M’s are getting one established back of the rotation starter and a bullpen option with potential for being a starter. Maybe Elieser + Jerar Encarnación … or…
Elieser + Poteet for Lewis + Marlowe/Fletcher.
Pete'sView
HABETO – The one place the Guardians are really strong is pitching. The one place they are weak is the outfield. How does this trade make sense?
In Seattle, they just signed Lewis to a major extension. Even with his injuries, his upside makes him one of the most talented players in the league. Why would the mariners make this deal?
With Grisham being the only decent outfielder in SD, and their pitching (when healthy) a strong suit, why would the Padres make this trade?
Cubs might go for your suggestion.
Habeto
Sure I can answer.
Padres: This is the tough one. Even though what you said is right, last year they had back of the rotation problems and neither Paddack nor Weathers live to the hype. Giving away Grisham would hand the CF in a platoon fashion to Profar plus maybe a complimentary FA (Herrera, for example). So the idea for the Padres is to sacrifice OF for a solid back of the rotation piece. But this is not easy since they can just bring a FA starting pitcher. Maybe the deal can be done including prospects on both sides.
Guardians: They do have a strong rotation but also a thin one. After Bieber, Plezac, Civale, Mackenzie and Quantrill, none of the group of Morgan, Hentges, Allen and Mejia convinced anyone. And yes, Straw is the only good batting CF they have, but his value is less than Elieser, so the Marlins would have to overpay.
Cubs: Makes sense for both sides, but Happ come with a huge SO rate… so Elieser come with long ball problems and health issues.
Mariners: As of today, the Mariners do need a 5th starter. Also, helped by a tough sophomore season, Lewis was leapfrogged by Kelenic, additionally, they can use Fraley, Haniger and Moore to patrol the outfield while they wait for Julio Rodriguez, should he debut after the service-time manipulation date. Extension? I can see it as a salary dump for them if Lewis do not put a strong Spring Training.
jbigz12
What kind of prospect? Because Elieser Hernandez isn’t very valuable.
This guy has a FIP north of 5 and has a huge HR problem. He’s lucky he pitches in Miami because he’d be unplayable in Colorado or Baltimore.
Mjm117
I dont doubt that Elieser would be traded, even Lopez for that matter. However, would be surprised if Sixto made the opening day roster let alone crack the Rotation.
I hope i’m wrong but this regime isn’t too happy with how he’s treated rehabing his shoulder and his conditioning. By mid to late year yes most definitely Sixto should be ready.
I more realistically see Neidert or Cabrera or Elieser(if not traded) or even a cheap veteran SP rounding out the rotation after Luzardo. to start the season.
Habeto
Guys like Neidert, Garrett, Castano, Sixto and Cabrera have nothing left to prove in Jacksonville. I understand that every team needs rotational depth, but the time to trade two or three of them to get a solid bat is NOW.
I also see the FO very much trading both Elieser and Sánchez (maybe the latter in a lesser extent) for the reasons you describe above.
If those two cannot get me Mullins, I would try Sixto as a reliever so the team can go easy on the workload.
Mjm117
I’m not opposed to trading our Surplus in SP’ing for elite longterm controlled bats.
I’m merely stating that Id rather Sixto work on his conditioning and when he’s shown he can handle at least 5-6 innings then call him up.. If thats be April, May or June or July whatever so be it.
I doubt he’ll be ready by opening day is all i’m saying.
Habeto
Sure, I got it. But a question for you: In a potential trade for Mullins or Reynolds, you are asked to give away one of Sanchez, Cabrera or Meyer. Who would you trade away? Me, Sixto.
rockofloveusa
lol time to trade two or three of them lol
rockofloveusa
time to trade two or three of them. lol
you made trade one at most .
Sixto as a reliever lol hurt his value . plus you get more from tradin him now
rockofloveusa
i am opposed to trading ( not our r marlins )Surplus in SP’ing at how hard to find sp over bats . ho you think marlins won two ws ??? pitching good catching snd. two good hitter at best . rest would not carry a team / hitter
FrontRowMarlins
Booooo. Don’t trade any of them!
loafrgoffr
Lopez for Jordyn Adams.
Mjm117
Adams has the tools the Marlins or any team covet as a CF. If the Marlins were beginning their rebuild I would be happy with Adams as a return for Lopez, even straight up.
Biggest concern is that he just finished Single A last year at 22 years old and really isn’t ready for the bigs for maybe another year max 2.
Marlins need someone like Adams skillset but one who has had more success in the minors and closer to ready for the bigs.
Deleted Userrr
Just because they extended Sandy Alcantara doesn’t mean they can’t trade him. Players who signed extensions get traded all the time.
MarlinsFanBase
If the Marlins are trading Alcantara this offseason or season, it certainly will be for a stud since he’s the most developed of our stud pitchers, and the Marlins envision him as the #1 unless someone else beats him out.
jbigz12
Alcantara isn’t going anywhere. Certainly not right after the ink dried.
Jeff Loria might’ve done that but I suspect that this ownership group might want to have some credibility.
Definitely a stretch to say it happens all the time also. It happened to Brad Hand. But I’m pretty sure that was half a season later. It’s definitely not a common occurrence to deal that guy away the first year of an extension.
Deleted_User
@jbigz12 Also Seth Smith and Yangervis Solarte. And Smith supposedly had a handshake deal with ownership that he wouldn’t be traded that offseason (granted he signed that extension before Preller was hired).
As for non-Padres, the Red Sox traded Adrian Gonzalez 16 months after extending him. Dunno about same year tho.
jbigz12
Yeah. It’s not impossible but really never in the same offseason.
Definitely not a frequent thing. There’s a few examples but typically you’re looking for a building block. Alcantara is a building block. Given the Marlins roster makeup and projected window.
Smith/Solarte weren’t exactly that. Alcantara could be on the move next summer or thereafter if the Marlins reassess but it’s fair to say he’s off the table at the moment.
rockofloveusa
Jeff Loria has nothing to do ith this ownership group might want to have some credibility..
they lost to many trades so far to have any credibility…… best trade ozuna . jt lose ,yelic lost station lost ,zac gallen lost , this year2021 was best trade they made so far . i did not say singing new players
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True, but my money bets that the fish keep him past 2022.
rhswanzey
They really shouldn’t be trading any of these pitchers. Maybe the guys way, way down the depth chart, but “too much pitching” is trying to create a problem that never actually exists. If the purpose is to acquire an outfielder, why not ride deep, excellent pitching to the trade deadline, and fix it there? Look no further than what all those outfielders cost the Braves last summer. Why trade highly productive cost controlled starting pitching for something you can flip a couple prospects for 90 games in? Makes no sense.
lumber and lighting
Rogers is filthy.I knew they had some depth & trading from a position of strength in this situation is stupid.I watch the Dodgers go through pitching like crazy and the Angels pitching is usually in the want position.Stay the course and work your options until their are exhausted.
West Casey
Pittsburgh offers CF Brian Reynolds and Pipeline P Cruz (45 rating)
for
SP Lopez, Pipeline SP Garrett (45 rating), Pipeline OF Burdick
Angels offer CF Brandon Marsh
for
SP Hernandez, Pipeline SP Garrett (45 rating)
Habeto
The first one: very much possible, but a bit too steep for the Fish. Why do you bother including an equally graded prospect on each side?
The second one: It’s a deal.
jbigz12
Brian reynolds is way more valuable than Pablo Lopez.
That costs you something like Meyer + Cabrera
I don’t understand why people comment things like this though. Does this help the Pirates contend in the next 3 years? That’s all you have Pablo Lopez for and you’re trading your best player to get him. A guy who is controlled the same amount. Makes no sense
stretch123
No way In hell you get Cabrera and Meyer. I see a Reynolds package as being Cabrera OR Meyer, in addition to Bleday, Salas and McCambley.
Habeto
Let me put it like this: It is true that Reynolds is more valuable than López, but not a lot more. Why do I think so? Even that Pablo has only 3 years of control, Reynolds has 4… that’s not a lot more. Secondly, Pablo is more than one year younger than Reynolds and you can tell (by stats and performance) that he is getting better. You can say the same about Reynolds, though. Pablo Lopez can easily be the Nr. 1 starter for 10 teams in the MLB now, Nr 2 in another 10-15. The value difference between them two is the injury concerns in Pablo.
But following your comment; you are right. The Pirates will not contend in 3 years neither in 4 I’m afraid, exactly the reason they should trade him now at his peak value.
Meyer + Cabrera is a no… the Fish will not trade Meyer not even for Trout… but maybe Sixto + Cabrera + Burdick + Garrett + a throw in.
jbigz12
Pablo Lopez has never tossed more than 111 innings in a big league season. He’s never tossed 160 innings in any professional capacity.
3 years of control. Age is irrelevant for either one of them. Being 25 or 26 makes no difference at this point. They’re both in their prime..
I don’t buy his value being that ridiculously high.
, Jose Quintana got a stupid package back but he was a more accomplished pitcher. Maybe somebody does give it up but I certainly wouldn’t do that for a guy who hasn’t shown to be a guy who can go deep into games or be durable
rockofloveusa
no thanks marlins get more trading each pitcher along . instead of giving up two for one .
stretch123
I honestly would not trade any of these starters because of the presence of Peyton Burdick and JJ Bleday in the organization. Both guys should be ready by next summer and they should be given a chance in CF prior to the deadline to see what they can do. To open the season, I would bring in Eddie Rosario or Joc Pederson to platoon with Bryan De La Cruz. Avi Garcia and Jon Berti can likely handle the occasional CF start as well. And then by May/June I’d call up Burdick or Bleday to have a chance at the CF spot (yes I know Bleday is better in the corner, but maybe he can be average in CF defensively as a younger player)… If neither prospect can’t hold down the spot, or if the Marlins look like a contender, then I’d consider a trade for Ketal Marte, Bryan Reynolds, or Cedric Mullins. No need to rush and overspend on a trade when you have potential options in the upper minors… on top of which I doubt Arizona, Pittsburgh or Baltimore will be competitive next season which could increase their desire to trade by the deadline. This would be the smart play by Ng it would give the Marlins a chance to evaluate some of their upper minor league CF options. I personally am a big believer in Burdick and I think he can be a very good CF for years to come. And if Bleday is good, I think it pushes Jesus Sanchez to the DH spot for 2023 which Aguilars cost rising.
Habeto
I also like very much Burdick, maybe a bit more than Bleday tbh. But getting players like Reynolds or Mullins will not come cheap.
Before spending in Rosario or Pederson, maybe (and I’ve been insisting on this) they should give Brian Miller a chance. A couple of under the radar moves like getting Roman Quinn or Trammel would add depth and then in midseason you make the big move if everything is clicking.
Spend that money in a closer or two good bullpen arms instead.
rockofloveusa
right till If neither prospect can’t hold down the spot, or if the Marlins look like a contender, then I’d consider a trade for Ketal Marte, Bryan Reynolds, or Cedric Mullins.
mesa jr ( every Scott and mlb network said defense is better than most mlb player ready) can play center run bases and be better role player than lewis brison . i would not over pay