The Cubs have agreed to terms with free agent starter Marcus Stroman, the team has now officially announced. The Tidal Sports client will receive a three-year, $71MM contract with an opt-out after the second season, according to ESPN’s Jeff Passan. Passan says Stroman will earn $25MM plus a potential $2MM in escalators in each of the two seasons before he must decide whether to opt out of the remaining $21MM. The contract does not contain a no-trade clause, MLBTR has learned.
After opting out of the 2020 campaign, Stroman accepted an $18.9MM qualifying offer from the Mets last winter. Stroman’s bet has paid off with a guarantee of $89.9MM over his first four free agent seasons spanning 2021-24. Entering the offseason, MLBTR ranked Stroman the #11 free agent overall, projecting him to receive a five-year, $110MM guarantee.
With Max Scherzer, Kevin Gausman and Robbie Ray all off the board, Stroman looks the best bet remaining to provide above-average innings over the next few years. However, unless the Cubs add significant pieces, Stroman’s timeline doesn’t seem to match up with the club’s next window of contention, given the surprisingly short term and the opt-out clause. On the other hand, the unexpected contract structure means the Cubs won’t be saddled with Stroman’s age-34 and 35 seasons as they would have with a five-year pact.
The 30-year-old Stroman doesn’t feature the high-octane, strikeout stuff those other top arms possess. Yet he’s nevertheless been a mid-rotation or better starter for essentially his entire career, thriving on the back of huge ground-ball rates. Stroman has induced grounders on over half the balls in play against him in every season as a big leaguer. His 50.8% mark in 2021 was a personal-low, but even that checked in about seven points above the league average for starters.
Those huge ground-ball tendencies — he was consistently over 60% in that category during his run with the Blue Jays — have kept Stroman largely immune to the increasing home run rate around the league. He’s never had a season allowing even one longball per nine innings pitched, an impressive achievement as the typical starter has allowed between 1.2 and 1.5 homers per nine over the past few years.
Stroman also owns strong control of his arsenal, headlined by a worm-burning sinker he uses a bit more than 40% of the time. He’s never had a season with a higher than average walk percentage, including an even 6% mark in 2021 that was a couple points lower than the 7.8% league rate. Beyond his fastball, the right-hander mixed in a slider, split and cutter more than 15% of the time, according to Statcast.
That repertoire has served Stroman well, as he’s reliably produced in recent seasons. He’s worked to a sub-4.00 ERA in four of his six seasons with 100+ innings pitched, including a personal-best 3.02 mark over 179 frames in 2021. Despite an atypically small frame for a starter, Stroman has also proven a consistent workhorse capable of shouldering fairly significant workloads. He’s started 32+ games and exceeded 175 innings in four of the past five full seasons, with his 19 starts and 102 1/3 frames in 2018 the lone exception. Going back to the start of 2016, he ranks fifteenth in innings pitched league-wide.
As an added bonus, Stroman is coming off his best season from a swing-and-miss perspective. He generated whiffs on a career-high 11.6% of his offerings in 2021, just north of the league mark. The New York native is typically below-average from both a strikeout and swinging strike perspective. But he’s proven capable of succeeding without many whiffs, and any uptick in swing-and-miss stuff could take his game to the next level.
In Chicago, Stroman will pair with Kyle Hendricks at the top of the rotation. Wade Miley has a spot locked down, with Adbert Alzolay also looking likely to claim a back-end spot. There’s certainly still room for upgrades over the likes of Justin Steele and Alec Mills, and it wouldn’t be a surprise if president of baseball operations Jed Hoyer, general manager Carter Hawkins and the rest of the front office further bolster that group.
Speculatively speaking, a high-strikeout arm might still be on the wish list. While Stroman’s an unquestionable upgrade to the rotation, his grounder and control oriented style broadly aligns with those of the rest of the Cubs’ starters. Chicago’s rotation ranked eighth in ground-ball rate in 2021 but finished third from the bottom in strikeout percentage. Adding some more swing-and-miss to that group could be desirable, although it’s also broadly apparent that the Cubs are content to pursue ground-ball pitchers and rely on the infield behind them to turn batted balls into outs.
The Cubs are in an organizational transition period, having traded away the core members of their 2016 World Series winner over the past year or so. The roster still seems to have too many holes to compete in 2022, with uncertainty at the back of the rotation and the position player group featuring a handful of journeyman stopgap types. Hoyer has consistently pushed back against the idea the Cubs were orchestrating a full rebuild, though, and their actions this offseason reflect that.
In addition to the Stroman signing, the Cubs claimed Miley off waivers from the division-rival Reds and added backstop Yan Gomes on a two-year pact. That doesn’t preclude further trades off the big league roster — the Gomes signing seems to make a Willson Contreras deal particularly likely, for instance — but it’s clear the Cubs aren’t content to sit at the bottom of the NL Central without making any sort of effort to be competitive.
The collective bargaining agreement prohibits players from receiving multiple qualifying offers over the course of their career. Because the Mets tagged Stroman with a QO over the 2020-21 winter, they weren’t able to do so this time around. They’ll allow him to depart without receiving any form of compensation, while the Cubs won’t forfeit any draft choices or international signing bonus space to bring him in. That’s no doubt appealing for a Chicago team that needs to continue to add an influx of young talent to the organization.
Matt Spiegel reported this afternoon that the sides were in discussions, while Jon Heyman of the MLB Network tweeted the parties were “in serious talks” shortly before Stroman’s announcement.
Why though?
I came here to post that. No need now. Thanks.
Me too
Why for the Cubs or why for Stroman? If it’s a 5 year deal or something, surely the Cubs can be a decent enough team by years 4 and 5. They have a horrendous rotation. Eventually you have to start building one, and Stroman can be a good step in the right direction.
Stroman, Hendricks, Miley certainly wouldn’t be the worst rotation out there
If they add another arm like Rodon and it’s a strong rotation.
The Cubs offense was pretty good from the end of July through the end of the season. Schwindel was a monster.
I thought the Flubs would get serious after
Thanksgiving but I guess not.
Same old Flubs.
Huh?
That’s a sad goal.
Alzolay has looked good at times too. Still very young. Marquez coming through the system quickly too. They could easily add another arm next offseason through FA and have a top rotation.
Killian is pretty close to the majors, too. Herz could move quickly.
You must be really a very frustrated ex-Cubs fan or may had come from a traumatic situation as a child, that had something to do with the Cubs. Maybe you were abused by a Cubs fan or someome wearing a Cubs cab or jersey. We understand…. Everything is ok little fellow…Get over it. It was many decades ago..
Cubs have made serious moves and I hope they play the Sox in the World Series in a few years. Let’s be grown ups and support Chicago sports.
Hey Pete.
As opposed to what? Signing Leury Garcia. Now, Leury, that’s a blockbuster.
Happy holidays, I hope all is well.
Not appropriate.
isn’t it better to be really bad once you start rebuild? wanna sell some tickets but it pays to be really bad.
If you are willing to spend money you don’t have to be really bad. The cubs bought a bunch of talented young prospect 5 months ago.
Doesn’t really matter that much.
To sign a 31 year old pitcher to a 3 year, 77 million dollar deal when they literally traded basically their entire starting team away last trade deadline is what’s weird, it makes ABSOLUTELY no sense. They have basically no chance at at all of making playoffs let alone competing within next couple of years at the very least, and even if everything goes right for them in rebuilding this team Stroman will be gone at that point anyways. Rebuilding teams can spend money still obviously, but you spend money on YOUNG talent not pitchers in their 30’s for 25 million a year.
Yeah on young talent that matches your timeline for when you will have a chance at competing, you don’t spend money on pitching in their 30’s who won’t even be around when you have a chance at competing. Believe they are looking to trade Contereas as well, which would mean Baez, Bryant, Schwarber, Rizzo, and Contreras all gone, that’s 5 of the starting 8 players. They are years away from competing at best and should have learned from their hockey team the Blackhawks and continued to rebuild instead of paying for high priced veterans with no chance at competing.
With the exception of Kimbrel, they traded away players in the last year of a contract. Rizzo, Bryant and Chafin are just as available now as if they had kept them. Baez signed with the Tigers, but the Cubs made him a solid offer last year. Rizzo will probably end up getting less than the Cubs offered him. The Cubs are in a big market. They can do a rebuild and have a few highly paid players. If the contract allows the Cubs to trade Stroman, then Stroman may eventually be flipped for a quality prospect or two. Finally, Stroman went below market when other players were going for more than expected. Most people expected a five year deal for Stroman. Go Cubs!
Now, on the other hand, why did Stroman choose the Cubs? Well, Stroman stated that he loves the City of Chicago. And I have to assume that there were no five year offers out there from top teams like the Dodgers, Cardinals, Yankees or Astros. Stroman was liked in the Mets clubhouse but not as much with Toronto. It tells me that Stroman was a brash young guy in Toronto who matured as a teammate in New York. I think he will enjoy being a star with the Cubs.
Bad take, Eric… This is just what they did 2 to 3 years before they were competitive enough to win the WS. Signed Jon Lester (in his 30’s), David Ross and traded for Fowler and locked up Rizzo. Then later added Zobrist (and yes, Heyward), And drafted well.
The timeline with the farm may or may not line up the same. They don’t appear to have a Baez, Bryant, Schwarber group coming up, but they do have a couple of very good position players and power arms that may only be a year or two away… While I would’ve preferred Ray, Stroman is very solid and his low walk and HR numbers are a serious upgrade for them and should play well in Wrigley… Ya gotta start somewhere and this is as good a place as any. It’s way too early to overreact.
Do you think there’s a chance that before his contract expires, they flip him for some added young talent?
Why for Stroman, is he from CHI, does he not want to compete? Did any big teams like the dodgers not offer him better?
The answer to every question is money.
Money doesn’t buy happiness, but jewelry does
Sure is.
Bc what we all want is 4 super teams like in the nba?
NBA? Gross
Big money contenders didn’t seem to like Marcus Stroman. Cubs got Stroman rather cheap. 3 years @ 25MM 1st 2 years Stroman can opt out after 2nd year or stay for 21MM
Sure, that is why they sell their rings and other mementos.
Yes, the Cubs may very well be a good team by years 4 and 5. At which time, Marcus isn’t likely to be anymore.
Doesn’t matter–it’s a three year deal.
Its more 2 years from completely. 4-5 years from some of their top prospects to be ready. They’re farm is looking good. I know Pete Crow-Armstrong is 4 years away but he was a great return for Javy Baez. I guess if you wanna count Trevor Williams who was basically a throw in
They need pitching. What’s wrong with him? Bad clubhouse guy? Injury prone? Why would it be bad?
He’s a great clubhouse guy. Nice signing. His studf should age while. Though hopefully he doesnt turn south like another soft tossing Chicagoan who gets by on guile, Keichel. They could always flip him.
I heard he wasn’t a good clubhouse guy but it could be not true. I never heard from any real sources but a lot of commenters on different sites seem to think so. I’m not sure why.
Not sure if he is good or bad in the clubhouse. From my perspective he put too
much pressure on himself to be perfect
when deGrom went down. When deGrom was pitching bothe he and Walker didn’t need ti win each outing
But missing deGrom, Stroman tried to act the Ace and his mistake pitches caught up with him, especially when the Mets bats stayed cold.
3 years is such an odd contract for a team with very little chance of reaching the playoffs during this time frame. Not knocking the move, per se, as I always like to see a wide range of teams spending money, but I would have thought the Angels would have offered him 5/120. I though the competition for his services would have ultimately led him to ink a longer-term pact, maybe even six years, rather than a shorter, high AAV pact. I guess he thinks he can still get about 40-50 million after this contract is completed.
I think his Twitter antics might have affected his market. Not saying I feel either way, but the racial slur thing and crying that the Mets f/o went after Scherzer, and his constant “I dominate and I’m better than everyone else” comments may have scared off some contenders and millions of dollars with them. I find it hard to believe the Mets/Angels/Cards/Yankees/Mariners/Rangers wouldn’t have easily topped that deal.
The Cubs are weird.
To make much need improvements in their rotation
Good deal for Stroman. Had no idea he was commanding this much money on the market.
It definitely improves the rotation over some of the slobs the Cubs were rolling out last year. Combine him and Miley along with Hendricks and Alzolay and its not half bad.
To sign a 31 year old pitcher to a 3 year, 77 million dollar deal when they literally traded basically their entire starting team away last trade deadline is what’s weird, it makes ABSOLUTELY no sense. They have basically no chance at at all of making playoffs let alone competing within next couple of years at the very least, and even if everything goes right for them in rebuilding this team Stroman will be gone at that point anyways. Rebuilding teams can spend money still obviously, but you spend money on YOUNG talent not pitchers in their 30’s for 25 million a year.
With the exception of Kimbrel, they traded away players in the last year of a contract.
Exactly my point. I thought he wanted to win. Instill hoped he’d go back to the Mets but looking more likely that bridge is burned.
You thought he wanted to win???? So it makes no sense why he could pick the Cubs over the Mets???! Mets haven’t won anything either! Heck if anything the Cubs have a more “normal” management group and ownership than what the Mets currently have lol. They’re overpaying right now to have people play for them! I’m sorry Max fans but for what he’s being paid there should be no red flags for that contract! Arm fatigue in the most important games of a season???? He’s already in his 30’s! Sure he can still beat the weak teams but really what has he done against contenders???? Nothing worth 40+ million per year! Get your coke bottle glasses off and actually pay attention to details!
Somebody was going to pay big $$$ for Max regardless. Pitching is so scarce that teams are paying guys now who won’t recover from TJ surgery until 2023!! Now that is ridiculous!!
Wouldn’t Coke bottle glasses indicate terrible eye sight? Why would anyone take them off to pay attention to details? Your insult makes no sense.
Great quote- Will the Mets improve with all of these good players or will the good players simply become Mets? I love a good mystery.
Oxford Karma wins this little skirmish.
You must be a Cubs fan. I can feel the frustration in every word you typed.
The comparison I used while describing my view of Scherzer’s deal was this: I purchased a 2005 Toyota brand new. Terrific car. Never had a breakdown. Now I have 279,000 miles. It’s not if it’s going to happen but when. Was terrible deal for NYM as it’s inevitable he’s going to be disabled. Whoever they get to manage has to hold him back and keep him fresh for the postseason – if they are even able to get there……
I’m not a Met fan but I completely disagree. I mean, he was just dominant last year. They’ve wasted enough time and money trying to develop mediocre pitchers.
Dude, the money is nothing for Cohen. He’s spending as much as possible to keep them competitive while rebuilding the FO and farm system without trading any top prospects. They recouped extra draft picks from Conforto and Thor as well. They’re trying to emulate what the Dodgers did as best as possible and that’s the best way to go about it.
As 60 yr mets fan I’m afraid it’s the uniform that dictates how great or good players play for the Mets. Fregosi, Baerga, Alomar, Bay & on & on. Hoping trend stops now.
Do you only think one season at a time?
Because they need pitching?
Good night nurse. Ahahahaha!
What?
Why would Cubs sign him if they’re not really looking to win? Why Stroman go there if he knows they’ll be bad? Must be a lot of money.
Mets should’ve resigned him. I say that as a braves fan. He looked like he enjoyed playing in his home state.
I agree. They could have had Stroman for roughly the cost of Canha and Matz (of course Matz eventually went elsewhere).
Because we’re not doing a 5 year rebuild again (thank god). Because our division sucks. Because there’s room financially. Because he’s good. Because it made you mad.
So he can pitch on a mediocre team with his typical mediocre performance.
I give him credit though, he picked perfect time to have a good year. Notice the contenders weren’t fooled.
Why do people ask why? Teams should always add talent.
Great signing!
because they can and he can
Because he’s a good pitcher and the Cubs need good pitchers…
I guess he isn’t at all interested in rings
I’m not from Chicago (also not very good at playing baseball) but if I was a pro I would want to once in my career play In wriggly, to me it’s the most iconic stadium in baseball. Then again if I was a pitcher I think I would rather not play there, but it all depends on the individual I guess, maddux seem to do ok there.
It’s a fairly neutral park. It’s extremely pitcher friendly if the wind is blowing in off the Lake.
With all the money (and years) being thrown at pitchers, I would have thought Stroman would have done much better than this. I was thinking 4/$80M was his absolute floor, with a potential for 5/$125M out there by some desperate team. He basically got a 2 year, $50M deal. If you ask me, his agent failed him.
He’s done plenty to tank his own market value in the last week.
I also though his floor was 4/80 and some socratic guy was saying 5/110 million in response to me. Cubs swooped in.
I have to think if Stroman’s agents went to almost any team of his choice and said how about 2 years/50 million, he would have had his pick of a lot of teams. So maybe he is honest when he says Chicago is a great city and presumably the two New York teams did not extend him an offer.
I just think to get a decent pitcher that didn’t get a QO was to good to pass up. Plus he might be a good flip at the trade deadline to a team that can afford the salary for 2 and a half years. Or if the Cubs need to eat some salary to get better prospects, they can afford it
He couldn’t get a QO because he got one last year. Those are the rules. Good or bad.
It’s very doubtful the cubs will trade him after only 4 months. He’s gonna be with the cons at least 1 full season. Plus its would be dunb to trade him with 60 millionish owed. Thr will compete by 2023. I’m hoping they keep him all 3 years then extend him for at least 2 more years.
Great city for Marcus! LOL
I’ll believe it when I see it.
Because they exist just for you?
Did you see it? Let’s gooo!
Love the South Park reference in your handle
Cubs over Athletics in 2028
How many games. I don’t even care who does it. I really want to see a walk off hit in the world series. Joe Carter style. I was only 7 when it happened. I don’t remember watching it live.
Las Vegas Athletics**
Incorrect. They will change names if they move to Las Vegas.
They have a history of moving cities and keeping the name Athletics.
The last time was 1968. This is 2022. “Las Vegas Vipers” sounds way better.
51s
Money Baller$
Philadelphia Kansas City Oakland Athletics of Las Vegas if you prefer
I agree the name will stay because moving a lot is part of A’s tradition
They haven’t moved in over 50 years.
Name?, well back in the day those who didn’t fancy calling it Lost Wages rallied round City Built on Losers.. Or Dreamers.
Hip,hip Par-laaay!
Speakin’ o’ which, it says up there that for Stroman betting on himself paid off handsomely.
Don’t anybody tell Pete Rose.
That’s the AAA team there. I doubt the pro team would take that name.
Like what? Las Vegas Gamblers?
Cubs over Athletics in the 2028 MGM Grand First Qualifying Round of the MLB Postseason presented by Verizon
I didn’t know the schedule was out already. When is the inter league series? June?
I see what you did there waterbeast. Crafty.
They wait that long for an interleague game?.holy cow
“Why would the Cubs sign stroman? They’re a 91 loss team!”
I’m joking of course
Lol because they’re a 100 loss team?
They had 89 losses in 2014 and still signed Lester to a 6 year deal in 2015. I don’t think this is a full rebuild by the Cubs. If they get pitching, they can compete.
Can they? It still seems like Contreras is gone, so the lineup includes some combination of
Yan Gomes
Clint Frazier
Frank Schwindel
David Bote
Patrick Wisdom
Nico Hoerner
Ian Happ
Rafael Ortega
Jason Heyward
Sergio Alcantara
Trent Giabrone
I mean, besides Hall of Fame Clint, that looks more like a team that’s competing for a draft pick.
I doubt Contreras is traded and they also have Madrigal. Add a middle of the order bat and that lineup is interesting.
Why is Contreras gone? Yan Gomes was signed as a backup. Something they desperately needed. Other than pitching obviously
Contreas isn’t gone. Plus the Cubs have Nick Madrigal and December just started on FA.
No one pays a backup catcher over $6 million a year. Ever. Writing is on the wall for Contreras. Lol check his Twitter
“No one pays a backup catcher over $6 million a year. Ever.”
Incorrect. The Braves paid Tyler Flowers $6 million relatively recently.
Gary Sanchez makes more than $6 mil
Contreras can play more than catcher. They could easily slot him into the outfield or DH to keep his legs fresh.
Given that Gomes was the top catcher on the FA market, it would seem odd for him to rush to sign up for a back-up position, which diminishes his future earning potential. It’s pure speculation, of course, but I’m guessing the Cubs told him that he would be their starting catcher before he signed the contract.
Stacked.
He’s in his mid 30s and signed a 3 year deal. I highly doubt he’s concerned with diminishing value of his next contract.
That was a platoon. Far different than backing up and all star
They do if their #1 catcher is also a DH.
Gary Sanchez is not a catcher though.
No one pays a avg. player 3yrs 16.5mil either. Oh wait the why sox did
Wow Yan Gomes at leadoff
Madrigal isn’t going to be the player he was projected to be… Leg injuries to a speed guy who has zero power spells disaster for him… Otherwise why trade him for Kimbrel? Think about it.
Try:
1 Hoerner SS
2 Madrigal 2B
3 Happ LF
4 Contreras C/DH
5 Schwindel 1B
6 Wisdom 3B
7 Gomes DH/C
8 Ortega CF
9 Brennan Davis RF
Ramirez/Hermosillo/Frazier/Heyward fight for outfield spot until Davis is called up
SP1 Stroman
SP2 Hendricks
SP3 Miley
SP4 Aldozay
SP5 Mills/?
Cubs need a full rebuild to be playoff competitive. they do not have a decent team at all currently.
True but maybe winning 75-80 games will make fans more interested than winning 65
Maybe, maybe not. Brennen Davis also looks like a legit centerfield prospect that will be playing next season. I actually like what they are doing adding more high average, high contact guys to the lineup. Schwindel was phenomenal last season.
239 plate appearances for a 29 year old with no track record is not something you can project as being a reliable contributor next year
I agree. He was still fantastic and is an intriguing option for next season.
They didn’t have a decent team in 2014 either.
Or I’m the 100+ years that preceded that
In
If he is somewhere between Voit and Ruf that is not all bad.
mjperez… Get some new material.
Get em Jed!
He would still be a Met if he didn’t whine all the time.
Are you Metsfan22’s new handle?
Whine? Do you mean voice his opinion about things that matter to him?
I know, I know. Shut up and entertain me. That’s all you guys are good for.
No, he means whine …. And oh endorse slurs.
Lol I’m sure he’s heartbroken to not be in that organization
I wanted him back. The Mets fan above is wrong. We have freedom of speech. But you can’t actually believe he is going to to a better team. Teams are night and day.
Night and day? More like night and later that night.
Didn’t realize “freedom of speech’ encompassed advocating slurs of other ethnic groups.
Well now you know.
It does, but it doesn’t mean you don’t look like an ahole doing it
Being a Met is enough to make anybody whine.
Lol.
Sounds serious
Uh, … seriously? Seriously, what are the Cubbies thinking? He’ll help them in year 8 or 9 of a 10-year deal?
I was under the impression that teams couldn’t even discuss anything with free agents for the moment.
Lockout starts at midnight.
1159pm eastern time is the cuttoff tonight.
They’ve got about 5 1/2 hours left.
Teams can sign free agents until 12 pm eastern time.
More teams are choosing to compete rather than tear down. That tells me the expanded playoff field is probably a certainty. It will be good for baseball and will totally change roster-building strategies throughout the game.
Maybe the Cubs think the next CBA will be more player-friendly so they’re going after Stroman now so they have him in 2 years when they’re ready to compete again? If they’ll be ready by then? The problem with that is, why aren’t they looking at more FAs now? And why are they trading Contreras?
Who says they are trading Contreras? Jed said at the end of the year he thinks Willson is an elite offensive player. His issue is getting banged up behind the plate. If the DH comes to the NL, he is going to DH about half the time. Signing Gomes allows them to proceed in that manner.
Exactly, I fully expect Gomes to be the backup but catch more than a regular backup with willy dh often. Keep him more fresh. The ppl on here that love making it seem like the cubs don’t ever spend money are clowns. One year down and we’re coming right back baby. Get this done Jed and lfg!!!
His career OPS+ is 112. Was 108 last year. That’s elite for a catcher but it’s not elite for a DH. His value is derived from being behind the plate.
Kris Bryant’s career OPS+ is 132. Was 124 last year. That’s much more of an elite hitter.
@baseballpun, Two additional playoff teams in each league means it won’t be as difficult to contend for a playoff spot. That’s probably why teams like the Marlins, Cubs, Rangers, and even the Rockies are suddenly looking to speed up their rebuilds. If the expanded playoffs happen, it will be fascinating to see how teams adjust their planning. In theory, a team with strong top-of-the-rotation pitching and excellent fundamentals can be a tough out in October, even if they’re not a 100 or even a 90-win team. It’ll make for some wild off-season and July trade deadline transaction frenzies. Even bad teams like the Orioles and Pirates won’t be as many years away from competing as they just were.
I don’t mind a slight playoff expansion (12) but 14-16 teams is too many.
I see why owners are pushing hard for expanded playoff’s but I personally hate the idea. I love the current playoff format with wild card slots as is and feel that eventually the owners want a playoff format NHL style. Sub .500 teams would have a chance to then make the playoffs, that would be pathetic. Rewarding mediocrity in the name of the almighty $$$$. Sorry, I’ll get off my soap box now LOL.
As a football hater, I love expanded baseball playoffs. I can’t stand when MLB teams are hopelessly out of contention in August and local fans shift their attention to football. More teams having a chance is good for all teams, regardless of market size or won/loss record. Yes, it’s in the name of money, but that’s because it will increase fan excitement. The first round of playoffs will be like the NCAA basketball tournament, with small-market Davids trying to knock off big-market Goliaths. As a fan of a big-market Goliath, I say bring it on. It would be incredibly exciting; wall-to-wall baseball with fans planning vacation days every year so they can crash on the couch and watch the games.
@Cey Hey…Consider this. Three Wild Cards play a double-elimination round robin in order to determine which team advances to the LDS. The Wild Card team with the best record would host the entire thing. The winning team gets to rest while the losing team has to play the next game…until only one team has fewer than two losses.
I like the best-of-three idea because nobody gets knocked out after one loss. Fan interest would be intense and new rivalries would be created.
Whatever happens, it’s a massive step in the right direction. Some people think it will water down the playoffs. I prefer to think of it as giving more teams a chance. There’s nothing worse than teams tanking and losing 100 games year after year during a rebuild.
By the way, I supported expanded playoffs during the short 2020 season, even though it was seen as being unfair to my “juggernaut” Dodgers. Yes, I’m a Dodger fan, but I also care about the overall health of the sport. Fans of other teams need something to root for. With 30 teams and eventually 32, World Series droughts will be common for all of us. The real excitement is playing meaningful games in September and having a chance to win it all.
Just to clarify my proposal…
Double elimination
Top wild card is #4 seed
#5 plays #6
Loser plays #4
Loser of second game plays winner of the first game unless the same team loses the first two games. Obviously at that point the two remaining teams would continue to play each other until one of them has two losses.
I’m surprised for a few reasons. First, they just wiped out their team by the deadline this last season. Next, why would Stroman, who could really go anywhere at this point, want to go to the Cubs? They have nothing to back him up. He may as well go back to the Mets(although I know the Mets aren’t as interested for some reason)
Adding Stroman does not end the Cubs offseason plans,
If Stroman could go anywhere, he would. This indicates that his market may not be what he thought it would be. Actions meet consequences.
For Stroman it’s simple…money. Probably wasn’t getting the offers he’d hoped. He’s not required to take a discount just to play for a winner. Seager didn’t pick Texas because they’ll be in the WS in a year or two either.
Why did Lester sign with them when he could’ve gone anywhere?
I’ll feel more-at-ease when Stroman officially signs somewhere (anywhere) other than Boston.
Im a Yankee fan-the Red Sox are too smart to commit to someone like Stroman.
Why exactly? He’s a solid mid rotation pitcher. With a good defense behind he has a higher ceiling.
Higher ceiling? He’s 30.
Also, big difference between pitching for a lousy NL team vs an AL team looking to contend.
Red Sox looking to contend? Best joke of the day !!!
Do you think they’re rebuilding?
I thought the Cubs were in rebuild mode
Retool not rebuild per Jed.
Stroman, Hendricks and Miley are a very good 1-2-3 if they get this done you might as well try to put together a competitive team
Kind of makes sense with those 3 to beef up that infield defense and go all in for Correa which would help with the middle of the order bat problem too.
Correa and another arm make his team a potential WC contender. I really doubt Correa is a possibility though, they definitely need another bat for SS or LF , Nico probably plays whatever position they don’t fill this off-season.
SS Story and OF Schwarber? Conforto?
If they add conforto or Schwarber and story this is going to be a very interesting team.
Was hoping the M’s would sign him. He’s a good investment for the Cubs regardless of how the current roster looks. He’s a gamer and takes care of himself. His dad is jacked beyond belief…looks like a Street Fighter character.
I’m still hoping the M’s get Bryant. I think he’d help them end the playoff drought.
Bryant fits so well with Seattle.
I totally see that happening but have to wait until the lockout is over.
Stroman would have been a great edition to the Cubs when they had a competitive core and needed more pitching depth … now he gets to be a lovable loser. Doesn’t matter how many wins they get as long as the bleacher bums have fun out there
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Not sure if you’re aware but the Cubs have been pretty good over the past 6 years and now they have a lot of money to spend. There’s absolutely no need for a team with as much money as the Cubs to engage in a 5+ year rebuild when they can do it in 2.
Another frustrated, traumatized ex Cubs fan. PeteWard8, ChiSoxFan and yourself should have a threesome sooner than later.
I knew the Cubbies were in on Stroman. They just hired his wife’s hairdresser’s second cousin twice removed on his mother’s side.
But what does that make us?
Edwin Jackson style?
I was looking for the right comparison to make. That’s exactly what this is. Admittedly, Stro is better than Jackson but the parallels are clear
Horrible comparison.
What parallels? I can’t think of a single meaningful one.
Stroman’s a good pitcher. As a Cubs fan, I don’t really have any clue what the plan is but not like they don’t have the money. I understood the Miley move as it’s 1 year – not sure where a 5-6 year deal for Stroman fits but I guess we’ll find out.
I think they’re looking to contend within the next 2-3 years. If that’s the case it makes sense to me.
Why not in 2022? What if they’re within striking distance of a 7-team playoff field at the July trade deadline? The Phillies finished seventh in 2021 with a record of 82-80. The sixth-best record was the Reds at 83-79.
Hey if that’s the case, I’m all for it. And maybe they will. I do think they can contend in the division this year, I’m just saying it’s going to take several more big signings to really push into the postseason next year. But we’ll see.
I think a big reason for this signing is that it’s going to be a while still before the farm system produces any quality SPs. Maybe they sign an innings eater to a 2 or 3 year deal after the lockout as well. It’s a better approach than SF who have to fill out 4/5 of their rotation this winter.
Stroman to the Cubs I did not see happening. The Cubs have the 18th ranked farm system according to Callis so I don’t know what his strategy is here
Maybe it is just most money or he didn’t get many offers
Some have our system in the top 10, and getting stronger by the day. A ton of talent at the Rookie/ A ball level but some studs that are Also pretty much ready to go. Davis is going to be a superstar mark my words.
Fangraphs is much more bullish on cubs farm. They have a ton of under 21 guys that look very good.
Farm rankings often focus on depth, but you can be rated lower and have a top heavy farm and have a couple of guys come up and make a significant impact… idk their system well enough, just saying the ranking itself isn’t always indicative of impact players
Chicago can have him.
Thanks
Ha ha ha Marcus what are you Doing?? This team has no direction yet. Heck Find yourself a better situation. You want to win, I remember you saying that all the time with the Jays. Are you burning your bridges? You have tons of talent. Stay away from the Cubs for now.
Yea re sign with the vaunted Mets, because they are so solid. Gtfo
To get Stroman back as a Met, Cohen had to paid him thrice of the Cubs did, like they did with Max, since nobody wants to play for them at a real market’s price. If they get Bryant it will not surprise me if he gets a similar contract like his pal Harper, which Cohen must have to pay him to get him, outbiding every team by paying a huge difference.
stroman, i think is going to be better than gausman.
This means that the postseason is increasing to 12 or 14 teams. Only reason why they would sign him.
12 is okay but 14 is too many.
Is still less than half the league. And if we want more competitive balance 14 should be the way to go. We can do a 1st seed in each league gets bye. The other six in each league plays in a 3 game wild card round. And then continue with the division series, Championship series and World Series like always.
@theordore glass, It’s probably understandable since there’s been no formal announcement, but fans need to come to grips with how expanded playoffs are about to change everything in a positive way. Interest in the game will go through the roof and more teams will want to compete.
Exactly Cey Hey
And frankly a short deal like this wouldn’t scare off all trade partners if he were to be made available at the deadline
Two words: Edwin Jackson.
That would be a totally misguided signing. The Cubs aren’t going anywhere right now.
Horrible comparison.
the f/a competition will have a winner with 2 right picks. or even less.
No one ever said Stroman was smart.
Most likely already did the physicals early is what some are reporting in case a deal came together.
Why isn’t this smart? The Cubs have a ton of money and are putting a good team together in short order and you get to play in one of the most beautiful ballparks in the country. No brainer.
With all due respect, you’re using the term “good team” a bit loosely.
I said in short order. As in, in the near future.
Why would you suggest he’s not smart?
I’ll say it. Stroman is smart. He has said a few stupid things, too. Most smart people do. The fact that he was liked in the Mets clubhouse but not so much in Toronto tells me that he is not only smart, but he has matured. He has learned that you can be outspoken without upsetting your teammates. Good signing especially if Cubs have the option to flip him for prospects.
Seems hard for him to sign before the freeze given need for physical.
#1 on my wish list. Free agent market pretty thin of this happens.
Don’t get me wrong- as a Cubs fan, I’m glad they’re getting someone decent. But another soft-tosser like Hendricks & Miley? For a little more they could have signed Ray or Gausman.
Are you sure about that? There’s no indication that Ray or Gausman would have signed with the Cubs and/or went for the largest contract offered
What he said.
I was just thinking how Cubs baseball is going to be a bit of throwback experience. That’s not a 3 true outcome rotation. Ball will be in play.
I like stroman . But for the Cubs why ? I mean if they were competing then It would make sense . But the Cubs are rebuilding clearly . I am kinda confused why they would make this deal if stroman wants this much money and a long term deal . If it is a one year deal then I could see it or a short term deal. Then they could flip him at the trade deadline for some more prospects. But a long term deal doesn’t make much sense to me for the Cubs . I thought they would sell some of there prices off . Contreras is a piece I believe they will move eventually.
3 years at 30 years old is not long term by any stretch.
No it’s not a long deal at all . That’s why I said I believe this has to be a short term deal . Which it is . Marcus stroman can opt out after his 2nd year . It’s a good deal for the Cubs because if he pitches well for them they can flip him at the deadline and get prospects back in return for him to help there farm system out . I was just surprised that he went to the Cubs and that the Cubs paid that much for stroman even tho they are currently rebuilding . He is a innings eater tho . Which helps . I like stroman.
No! I was hoping he’d sign with the Angels. But Arte is too cheap with SPs.
I was hoping as well. I know adding Stroman would have put the budget at its highest level, but I’m assuming they’re “all in” if you’re giving Thor $21M for one year.
That being said, a trade with Cincy for Castillo, Gray, or Mahle better be in the works because they are clearly a solid SP away from contention.
I bet at least $10 that the angels are more or less done adding pitching and will just address their needs at shortstop. It’s pretty classic Arte.
What is more likely to have a higher salary in 2022? The core 4 former Cubs free agents get more in AAV or the entire 2022 Cubs roster?
Way to similar in timeline to the Jon Lester signing…
As a Cubs fan, I hope it pans out. After having our hearts ripped on last July 31, there is a small glimpse of hope ahead.
It’s a done deal lfgggggg!!!!
Stroman was on a much better Mets team than whatever the Cubs put out there last year. Where exactly do you think they are going?
Were they much better? I must of missed them in the playoffs last year.
The Mets finished 6 games ahead of the Cubs in standings. As a Cubs’ fan, I would concede that 6 games is much better. But they were both sub 0.500 and the Mets added a couple players from the Cubs (Baez and Williams) to get there.
To 4th in the division.
Ugh…… Mariners doing just enough to look like they want it… but just enough has left them watching October baseball for 20 years. Ray was a great pick up… but they needed more. Yes, it’s early… but watching Texas fleece the market and now a rebuilding cubs team snag anDO that would be great in Seattle… and we’ve signed one FA and traded for Adam Frazier… just doesn’t feel like they’re willing to do what is necessary to truly compete.
Disagree with this Mariners take. They are not done. Sounds like Stro just really wanted to be in Chicago. That doesn’t mean the Mariners are done. They are in on KB or Story and Dipoto has made every indication of adding one more starter so just because it’s not Stro doesn’t mean more isn’t coming
Well well well… this just got interesting.
I don’t get this from either side.
Let’s see if I can explain:
Marcus Stroman is a pitcher. Pretty good one in fact. The Cubs are a baseball team who employ pitchers among other types of players. They’re paying him money to pitch for them so they can hopefully win more games.
Kudos to the Cubs for actually trying. Watch them sign Correa now lol.
Love this!
Stroman to the Cubs, now time to improve the infield Defense and get Correa.
Epic twist: Cubs sign Kris Bryant, Anthony Rizzo, and Kyle Schwarber lol.
Careful cincy fans, you don’t want Cub fans to believe you. They still think Javy is coming back even though the inks dry with tigers
Good Luck to Marcus Stroman with the Cubs. I enjoyed watching you play with the Mets these last years. I would congratulate you personally on Twitter oh but you blocked me. Too bad!
You and everybody else that will say anything to him that is not to his precious liking. The guy is a diva, I’m for one am happy that he’s gone but I still wish him luck. Hopefully one day his views will mature.
I agree. It says a lot for the guy when he has a solid year and doesn’t seem like the Mets had any interest in resigning….or any other serious contenders for that matter.
Contenders were interested. As a free agent, he chose where he wanted to go. Why are you trying to brand Stroman as some kind of troublemaker? Be specific.
What contenders were interested? Maybe I’m wrong
Mariners, Giants, Dodgers, Angels. Lots of teams would be contenders if they were to add a pitcher like Stroman.
Geez, are you his agent??
When the hell has this guy ever been a difference maker?
Aw, you hope his views will mature? Why? So they’ll be more in line with your narrow-minded worldview? Don’t worry. Marcus Stroman doesn’t need some self-appointed master doing his thinking for him. Meanwhile, he’s accomplished more at age 30 than any of his critics will accomplish in their entire lives.
I think using slurs against Italians while going out of his way to admonish anyone who he perceives as mistreating black people is immature.
But…. That’s just me.
Yes, speaking out against racism is immature. Shut up and entertain me, Marcus, because that’s all your kind are good for. You can even sing and dance if you’d like. Just don’t do any of that rapping because guys like me don’t think it’s music. Also, about that do-rag. Please get rid of it because I find it threatening. Bob Brenly for President.
By the way, Black Lives Matter. You understand that, right?
He just used a racial slur genius.
Cey, you’re part of the problem. You take the obvious, politically correct stances , yet when faced with bigotry of other types you turn the other way like a coward.
Stroman is usually articulate and thoughtful. He did not use a slur, but I agree it was stupid for him to like that tweet about a sports beat writer. But not as bad as twenty different tweets that a recent President liked. Just sayin’.
So yes, you do have to balance his generally articulate desire to support just racial causes with an isolated slip up when he liked a tweet.
Isolated slip? I mean cmon.
The difference is Trump, and rightfully so, is hammered for doing some things.
For some reason, we have people here who for some bizarre reason ( cowardly, doesn’t fit political agenda etc) give a guy like this a complete pass.
Also there’s a time to go after racism, when present, just not as a knee- jerk reaction to every possible situation where it might not exist. It hurts the call.
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@Cohens Wallet 100% agree. He also quit on the team last year when he got an injury before the season that had only a month recovery time. He blamed it on opting out for the coronavirus when in reality he didnt want his stats to look bad in his contract year
I was initially critical of the rangers signing semien, until they continued to spend and improve.
As a one off I don’t like this, however if they are speeding up their rebuild and have more tricks up their sleeve, I’ll never be mad at a team spending to get better.
Good move. The guy is a bulldog and an innings eater. Rodon would be a nice aftershock move.
Lol this website is so negative. Everyone wants to be the edgy doubter who laughs at every signing.
They just signed a good starter. There’s nothing more to it. Spare us your earth shattering hot takes about how this is a dumb signing for whatever nonsensical reason.
They’re building a nice front-of-the-rotation. Get to October in an expanded playoff field and anything can happen. It beats the heck out of teams subjecting their fans to a long rebuild that includes multiple 100-loss seasons. In terms of competitive balance, the game is about to turn the corner. But hey, let’s go back to the good old days when the Yankees had the AL race wrapped up by August and one or two NL teams battled for the right to lose the World Series.
Exactly. Well put.
@Catull Carl, I get a kick out of people who think baseball is dying because of the big-money contracts. That would seem to be the opposite of dying, wouldn’t it? The game continues to grow, apparently to the chagrin of some so-called fans.
@ Carl Preach to strangers behind keyboards. You tell ’em!
Says the overly-optimistic Cub fan who seems to think Stroman is a huge difference maker.
When did I say that? You whiny edgelords take any sign of mild satisfaction with a signing to mean that we think the Cubs are going to win the WS next year or something. It’s just a good signing. That’s all. Remove the stick from your ass. Or is it your head that’s stuck down there?
Lol you’re complaining about fans having differing opinions… on a sports website.
Carl, the discussion board on this site is pretty pathetic / just trolling. Too many people bite on it and it’s then reinforced and perpetuated.
Stroman was a good signing. Solid pitcher at a reasonable price that will allow the Cubs to be competitive. My guess is that most of the negative comments are informed by a disliking of him for other reasons, namely political ones.
Some people complain when teams don’t spend money, only to complain some more when they do spend money. Miserable folks, they are. And here I am thinking that being a baseball fan is supposed to be fun.
Probably would be more fun if a certain group of cowardly fans could analyze on anything other than simply race and politics.
The “good” teams taking a more cautious approach to the long, big dollar contract ?
The “bad” teams taking advantage. Thats what I was leaning towards The impending expanded playoff theory makes a lot of sense though.
This move isn’t for 2022 its more for 2024/25. The Cubs would be crazy to think career minor leaguers like Schwindel, Wisdom, and Ortega have finally figured things out and will make them competitive. Like Bryan LaHair and Luis Valbuena before them they are place holders
The Cubs still have a lot of off-season left and a lot of money to spend and prospects to trade. They could put a playoff contending team together in a matter of weeks if they want to.
I wouldn’t sleep on schwindel in particular. Dude balled out for the entire second half without anyone adjusting. Wisdom has huge power if he can stay around a 260 ba and I don’t see why not. Ortega is the most interesting because he just destroys righty’s, as long as it’s not everyday against lefty’s no reason to think it can’t continue as a 4th of/platoon guy. Also this is not the end of the moves, expect someone like story as well as another of. Come on back home Nicky C!!!
NOBODY got this correct in the contest. Did they? DID THEY?
Is Correa next?
Wow so does Cohen actually have a limit? That’s interesting the Mets didn’t keep Stroman
Seems like there wasn’t real interest on either side.
I actually got 1 right.
Not counting the 3 freebies.
Chicago you are getting a winner! Good for him hope it’s big $$
Insert Jed Hoyer and atom Ricketts middle fingers to fans and experts who said won’t spend money
All I can see right now is Stroman on the phone yelling “Show me the money, Jed”.
There are still a few questions to be answered. Specifically, what will Correa’s Story be now that he is a Free Man?
NOOOOOO NOT ONLY IS HE NOT A CARDINAL, HES A CUB
Is he the guy that’s always got a chip on his shoulder on social media, kind a like the anti-Yu?
Yup. He’s the nutjob.
Ironically the Cubs (who arent playoff contenders as of now) have a better pitching foundation than some trying to compete for playoffs.
Hendricks
Stroman
Miley
That’s a fairly weak 1-3 man.
Hendricks was off in 2021, I think he will bounce back but I am far from certain.
Stroman and Miley will regress some but the price was good. Both can be flipped for prospects at the trade deadline if Cubs are out of it.
Cubs are a big market team, they do not need to rebuild like the Marlins.
Any news on the terms?
Next get his dad to DH.
If you don’t get this comment please google stromans dad.
Too bad Stroman’s Dad spent more time in the weight room than teaching Marcus maturity, being humble, gracious and a real man. Instead a raised a manchild more concerned with getting his virtue signaling retweeted than adding a new pitch or adding some velo & break to his pitches.
Stop being such a wanker
LOL
LOL why would a rebuilding team with tons of money sign one of the best pitchers on the market?!?! Crayyyyzaaayyy! Insane!
The way that bad teams are spending big money this off-season makes me think the owners know something that we don’t. Perhaps there is some agreement regarding a new CBA that hasn’t been announced yet but agreed to in secret.
Like what though? What would possibly make texas and Cubs hand out cash
Ps solid solid username.
I don’t know but I have a feeling we are all in for a big surprise. Maybe the players made the owners an offer they couldn’t refuse. Nobody wants to sleep with the fishes.
I see you are a Godfather fan.,Here is one. “It’s not personal it’s just business.” ( Don Vito Corleone).Something owners and players need to remember.
Expanded playoffs.
You know when you have a fan base as big as the cubs you are going to have many haters. Stroman was projected as the 11th best FA and the 4th best FA pitcher. Those are the facts! A team who is rebuilding would not spend money like that on a middle of the rotation pitcher. Now here’s reality, get ready for the rapid resurgence of America’s Team and for the cubbies to bring Chicago it’s next World Series trophy.
Couldn’t say it any better myself brother. This cards and troll Sox fans just hate it. Btw where is that white Sox juggernaut dynasty at? Ohhh not materializing is it? Lmao
The cubs will definitely win another championship before the Sux. In fact with what’s going on in Detroit the Sux might not even win the worst division in baseball next year.
I thought the Cubs werent going to spend.
They didn’t
I propose the MLB has a 15 day signing window in off-season. All this movement is great.. Fun times
The Mets are so much more likable without Thor and Stro, two of the most annoying overrated pitchers in baseball.
I’m guessing you aren’t a Mets fan? Thor and Stro were loved by the fans.
No I’m not, and too bad for Met fans, that love wasn’t mutual.
I did not love Stro.
I wanted him to be a Ranger, but glad he’s in the National League.
Excellent pickup for the Cubs! Stro is a big time competitor and I’ll personally miss seeing him in a Mets uniform.
His ego was destroyed after Mets did not give him what he wanted.
I think Stroman’s friends and enemies alike will concede that his ego is not that easily destroyed. Good pitcher, good guy, big ego, and that’s ok.
No thx. The cubs need an ace and this guy isn’t it. Good pitcher though
73 teams will be making the playoffs next season so why not?
Cubs won’t be as bad as many think. They aren’t done in FA.
SP Stroman-Hendricks-Miley…
C Contreras/Gomes
1B Schwindel
2B Madrigal
SS Hoerner ???
3B Wisdom
LF Happ/Frazier
CF Ortega
RF Heyward/Frazier
DH Contreras/Schwindel
Add in (1) of Story/Correa at SS and maybe (1) Conforto/Schwarber at OF and the Cubs could have a nice bounce back 2022. Playoff Contender in 2022??? idk
You forgot Brennen Davis will start in the outfield
And he will be a STAR!
Davis will likely be in center.
I’d be surprised if they signed Correa to anything more than 6 years. They have a lot of young SS they’ll be ready in 4 years.
I deff agree, we do need 1 more sp(someone like rodon perhaps), and then a ss story or correa with Nico being the new zobrist super utility. Would like one more of as well, would love Nicky c back but Davis is ready he will be up by may. This team will surprise people, they will make a 14 team playoff.
Love Castellanos back
1 Hoerner SS
2 Madrigal 2B
3 Happ LF
4 Contreras C/DH
5 Schwindel 1B
6 Wisdom 3B
7 Gomes DH/C
8 Ortega CF
9 Brennan Davis RF
Ramirez/Hermosillo/Frazier/Heyward fight for outfield spot until Davis is called up
SP1 Stroman
SP2 Hendricks
SP3 Miley
SP4 Aldozay
SP5 Mills/?
Great non-signing by Uncle Stevie and his crew. LGM!!
glad the red sox stayed away from him, talented ? yes, a headcase? yep! seems like the kinda guy that if he has a bad game he go’s to the other dug out and starts fighting and swearing at the opposing hitters, we dont need that drama, have fun in chicago not making the playoffs for the next 5 years.
like whats with the jumping up hitting yourself on the chest when you make an out, are you 12?
You just called someone you didn’t know a head case and are complaining about them having fun playing a sport and being passionate.
Maybe you’re the 12 year old ?
Red Sox would love to have this guy, their rotation is weak
Not sure any good teams would be excited about a .500 pitcher for over $100mill.
Exactly Drag! The Mets aren’t any good which is exactly why they should have signed him lol
Guess they preferred Scherzer
Idiot
It’s called passion and enthusiasm.
As expected, a lot of Stro man arguments here.
I’m glad the Sox didn’t sign this guy but Bloom hasn’t made any big signings.
3/$71M???! LOL overpay
That seems like an extremely reasonable contract. I thought he would get 5 years similar AAV
Uneducated! Also uneducated comment!!
Really wanted to see him with the Angels. Now the Angels have their excuse to sign an expensive SS
Between several “fans” trying to portray Marcus Stroman as some kind of troublemaker and two others mysteriously comparing him to Edwin Jackson, it’s clear that certain Murican traditions are alive and well with some baseball fans.
Here we go… people aren’t in love with a .500 pitcher so…. Must be racism!
That’s because most people realize win-loss record is a useless stone age statistic.
I’m not saying w/l is the most meaningful stat but there is something to be said for a guy who constantly pitches just well enough to lose.
@DragBunt
Yeah, you’re right. Jacob deGrom should give back the Cy Young Award he won with a 10-9 record. The one he won with an 11-8 record too. Those W-L records were lousy.
You’re picking and choosing seasons.
I’m talking about a guys career.
Poor comparison
You proposed that a W-L record is a meaningful gauge of a starting pitcher’s talent, did you not?
Masahiro Tanaka has a higher career W-L% than Jacob deGrom. So, by your reckoning, Tanaka is a better pitcher, is that right?
My point is this…. If someone is a “good pitcher” like you guys are so liberally pointing out, why doesn’t he have a winning record? It’s not like he hasn’t been on any decent teams.
Maybe I’m wrong, but what “good” pitcher had a career .500 record? lol
As a Mets fan, I feel pretty comfortable saying there were a million other reasons we sucked and none of those would include Stroman.
Yes, he likes to talk a lot but
a) it’s not like he’s abused/hurt/assaulted anyone
b) we’re always a magnet for controversy no matter who is on the roster
c) not signing someone because you don’t like them personally is silly; imagine if we knew how all ballplayers acted IRL
d) it’s possible any such concerns were built into the reasonable contract he signed.
I’m sure some have also made a comparison to Bauer (gasp!) but Bauer at least had some history of harassing women whereas Stroman just seems to love attention on social media. Moreover, if Bauer never pitches in the majors again the Dodgers will likely be able to recoup a lot of that money so it’s not like they’re screwed.
Lol huh? Using the Italian slur starting with a W can be hurtful!
Are black people the only ones that can be sensitive to hate speech??
If you are worried about Stroman’s tweet, you must also be ready to ban the Tomahawk Chop!
Probably because Stroman and Edwin Jackson are guilty of Peds….
@Cey Hey – I’m with you on that. His Twitter antics really got people furious at him this week. The DMs he gets are insane too.
He liked a tweet that called for the eradication of an entire race. He’s clearly no Saint, as you make him out to be.
Particularly Red Sox fans…imagine that.
Cey Hey continues his racists statements like always. There is NO defense for Marcus Stroman. He’s a horrible human being, a racist, and has TONS of hate in his heart. And worst of all… a mediocre pitcher.
Attack the argument not the poster. I often disagree with Cey Hey on issues of baseball strategy, but he has said nothing racist and is a fine defender of our national pastime.
There is nothing inconsistent about praising Stroman for being an outspoken articulate person of color and also admitting that Stroman liking a stupid tweet about a sports beat writer was in the worst tradition of a recent former President.
It’s not about being racist, it’s about a guy that turns the other cheek when racism happens from one segment of the population. I thought all racism was bad.
Curveball1984
And so I suppose you condemn Thor for his comments and Hader as well?
nydailynews.com/sports/baseball/mets/newly-acquire…
people.com/sports/josh-hader-tweet-scandal-apology…
Yes , sane people call out all racism and bigotry.
I don’t hold black people to a lower standard like you and Cey.
Is there any reason player options for the final year of a contract are now being referred to as opt-outs? Do player options always include a buy out of some kind while opt-outs don’t?
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I second the motion.
MISSED IT BY THAT [ = ] MUCH !!
According to informed sources, The Marlins were in on Marcus Stroman right up until he signed the deal to join the Cubs.. The Marlins made a “strong” offer, but not one that matched the Cubs’ financial commitment. The Marlins weren’t the only team to be outbid.
The Minnesota Twins had also been linked to Stroman.
Troll has copy and pasted above comment in every thread. Why? It must titillate him.
I like this deal for the Cubbies, but there was definitely some bad blood between Stro and the Mets. Weird that they just let him go.
I’d rather have had him back than sign Scherzer at what he cost to be honest. Yes, Scherzer was the more exciting signing of the two and is still as good as ever, but considering his age and miles…I just get a bad feeling about it. There are just so few pitchers 35+ who have put up big WAR seasons and he’s going on 38. One significant injury and that arm could be shot.
I agree Shea. And while Scherzer is a legend, there were stretches last year where Stro had better numbers.
Big difference is look at Scherzer’s numbers when he got to LA and the games meant something.
Is it possible all the yapping he did on Twitter cost him a few years, a few mil, and a few teams? That whole liking a tweet with a racial slur probably didn’t help.
Absolutely. But people seemingly give a hard pass to Syndergaard and Hader for saying far worse about people who are gay or of color. I did not see all the posters complaining about Thor being a bigot.
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people.com/sports/josh-hader-tweet-scandal-apology…
First off, I’m not a Noah fan either but not sure how that retweet is “much worse.” Just curious, you excused Stroman, yet calling Noah out. Why’s that?
Comparing tweets from a 30 yr old to a teenager is frankly asinine so..
Cubs are gonna flip him at the 2023 trade deadline?
Bingo! A way to buy draft pics essentially
Has anyone considered the possibility that Stroman signed because the Cubs assured him that they would spend the money to contend as soon as next season? Stroman wouldn’t have signed it he didn’t think the Cubs would be in a position to win.
Not sure a team like the Cubs can assure anyone they would be able to contend.
Zaidi … another Free Agent starting pitcher signs with someone other than the Giants. Guess Zaidi’s still asleep at the wheel.
Only gets a 3 year deal? That’s surprising for Stroman
There was some kind of talking discussion on twitter about it. They were wishing it was a 4 year deal. I do as well. The money is right. I’ve heard the Cubs aren’t done yet. They’re rumored for Carlos Rodon and I saw somewhere about Story as well. He said he would be interested in going to the Cubs rebuilding or not.
I think they did this so the Cardinals didn’t sign him!!
Team friendly deal. Surprising.
I have to think Stroman had better offers elsewhere than this. Granted he does have an opt out after ‘23, but you’d think there was at least one offer out there for 5 years. Only way this makes sense is that the goal here is to bet on himself. In any event the Cubs got lucky on this one.
Looks like no teams wanted to give him term.
Three years and half the price of Max. Mets are idiots. They should have matched that deal and used the other 70 million for another starter they desperately need instead of signing Max lol
Yeah they shouldn’t have signed Max Scherzer. Those idiots
Ridiculous overpay….LMFAO
I like it. The Cubs have immense room to negotiate and that is rare. Intriguing team. Very smart front office types, too. Wow.
The Cardinal’s won 90 games last year. What are YOU taking about? Typical chubs fan.
Only because they got on a fluke massive winning streak with seconds on the clock. The Cards were totally outplayed by the Brew Crew all year, while the Cards were St. Louis Browns-level mediocre and dead ass most of the season. Brewers come back down to earth, Cards play like the Cards last year minus September, Cubs make the right moves… it’s anybody’s division suddenly overnight.
Make the right moves? Like sign a new team?
Damn… Was hoping the Angels were going to pick him up.. hell of a pitcher
Condolences to Stroman. You are still not with a playoff team, and now that you are not wearing a Mets uniform, you are no longer a studly Ace.
Never been an ace.
When he was with the Mets he was. Now that he is gone from them, he is no longer an Ace.
No, being best pitcher because better pitchers on the staff were hurt doesn’t make you an ace.
But didn’t you know that every pitcher that wears a Mets uniform is an Ace until he is no longer wearing a Mets uniform? It’s common knowledge.
Lol fair point.
Cardinals gonna light him up. Watch Dakota Hudson match him for innings and FIP this year.
… “does not include a no-trade-clause” – Cubs will trade Stroman before the contract is up.
Is there a single good reason Seattle didn’t beat this? 3-years? Seattle saved a ton of money recently with low payrolls…….could easily have spent some here and not impacted their pursuit of Story/Correa/Bryant. Their payroll is at what 88 million? They’ve been as high as $150 million before. Unless they end up with two more A-level bats, passing on Stroman at this price is going to look pretty bad..
If they get Freeman and Correa..ok..I get it. But otherwise…….this feels like a missed chance..
Is it possible all that yapping he did on Twitter cost him a few years, a few million, and a few contending teams?
It’s very telling that his ties are to NY and he wanted to allegedly be a Met for life and… Nothing. Cubs just got LaTroy Hawkins, Jacque Jones, Milton Bradley redux.
Curveball
So why did you compare Stroman to three black players, sounds like you are overly fixated on only one aspect of his being?
Trading Contreras does seem logical for help at other positions now that they have Gomes and plan on contending, apparently. Cubs were a surprise to me in getting Stroman. This hurts the Angels most, imho. They’re going to have to deal with either Cincinnati or Oakland now, if they actually plan on catching Houston and even Seattle…..oh, and stay ahead of Texas, too, lol.
Cubs grossly overpay for a giant baby, he will be flop. $25M for him, Ray got an average of $23M and has a Cy Young award to his name, Stroman will never see one of those unless he visits someone’s house who has one, lol.
and how many Cy Youngs you got, ……dragongrave?
That’s called recency bias and it plagues these boards. One year a guy is untouchable and the next he should be traded for a bag of peanuts. Stroman has had a stronger career, signed to prime performance years, and no qualifying offer attached. I’d say the Cubs did pretty well.
Might look like it if you ignore contract length, but that’s a really stupid way to evaluate contracts.
That said, this doesn’t make a ton of sense for where the team is
Why ? If him and Miley are doing good The Cubs now should have at least 2 good trade deadline PC with very low cost to the Cubs future
On to plan C for the Angels.
“We were in on all the top starting pitching” Artie
I really feel bad for Angels fans. They AGAIN made no effort whatsoever to sign any quality pitching other than stupidly giving an enormous amount of money to a reclaimation project worthy of a minor league deal and nothing more. I wonder if Trout’s contract is having deeper ramifications.
12/1/21:
Stroman outperforms Scherzer over each of the next 3 years. Book it danno this fellas going on record with it.
What happened to Stroman being guaranteed to stay with the Mets because he was born and raised in Mets country?
Odd pairing.
In looking at Stromans ref page I realized he’s only 5’7. Things make sense now. His adolescent attitude matches his adolescent height.
LOL. Yup. Looks like a tween drama queen and acts like one.
Garbage signing. The Cubs will regret signing this headcase. LaTroy Hawkins 2.0. If we were going back to that era I would’ve much rather had Rich Hill back.
If signing Marcus Stroman isn’t because season ticket sales have been very slow, then signing him makes no sense. Especially after getting rid of Bryant Rizzo and Baez and not spending big on players. Cubs fans will fall for this gimmick.
Let’s sign a bad locker room guy with zero filter, to a young, rebuilding team that is going to lose a lot of games, in another high pressure media market and see how that goes… smh. He gets traded within 18 months for next to nothing and the Cubs end up eating a chunk of that salary to send him to a contender.
They may be rebuilding but they ain’t young.
This can’t be right Stroman isn’t a lefty
Hmm, sign him for this contract, hope he pitches well and stays healthy up to all-star break and then trade him for good prospects?
Resign Bryant and either Correa or Story
Lol congrats on your new “team”
Not a fan of the Cubs, or Stroman. But for everyone ragging on this deal, how do you suppose any team becomes competitive? Stroman has a track record that speaks for itself. Is he the best pitcher in baseball? No. But he’s far from a poor pitcher. A very solid addition to any team really. He’s been durable as well. Easily the most underrated stat. The offseason isn’t over yet for anyone (provided the players and owners come to a consensus before March). The Cubs can still add talent. They’re not that far removed from success. Just because they sold off most of their World Series core doesn’t mean they can’t build something else competitive. They weren’t winning with them last year either. It was time to move on apparently. Hendricks and Stroman are 2 very good pitchers. They’re not vacant of talent. The Cubs have deep pockets also. It just depends on how much ownership wants to invest. I think it was a good move for them. Stroman can always be flipped as well if need be. We’ll see what else they have in store.
It’s more accurate to point out that the Cubs are not far removed from a fire sale, getting rid of guys like Bryant, Rizzo, Baez and Kimbrel. Signing Stroman makes no sense at all, other than no other team wanted him due to his character issues.
Actually mentioned that they sold off their World Series core. Perhaps you need reading lessons?
No, my reading comprehension is solid. My point is simply that you should have focused more on the Cubs real issue instead of taking issue with me disagreeing with you.
If you say so. I beg to differ. Otherwise you would have seen that I already covered what you pointed out. But thanks Captain Obvious.
Kelly, you seem like such an upbeat person geez
Cubs hoping for a big first half, then trading him to a contender for young assets. Not a bad gamble since you only pay for half a season.
Someone needs to explain to me how Marcus STROman isn’t an Astro. The marketing alone. ASTROMAN. Come on.
Cub fans “cheap owners wont spend money”
Also cub fans “why are we signing one of the best FA pitchers, makes no sense”
Lol well dummies they are prolly trying to start somewhere, they have a lot of room to spend… Say they land Castellinos, Correa or Story, Rodon … Boom they are in a pretty good looking situation
Stroman, Rodon, Hendricks 3 good SP with Miley #4
DH Castellinos
LF Fraizer
CF Davis
RF Heyward
3rd wisdom
SS Correa or Story
2nd Madrigal
1st Schwink
C Contreras
Horner/Happ/Bote utility players
Gomes back up C
That wouldnt be that bad
Great signing by the Cubs!!!
I think the Cubs will be a much better team than most see right now. They are not trendy but I believe they will surprise MLB. They don’t have many holes and it looks like they have a couple MiLB players fast tracking though the minors to fill those holes.
Catcher is solid with Wilson Contreras and Yan Gomes.
1B Frank Schwindell , 2B Nick Madrigal, 3B Patrick Wisdom and rookie SS Christopher Morel could crack the lineup.
LF Ian Happ and RF Jayson Heyward could be joined by rookie CF Brennen Davis.
Adbert Alzolay, Kyle Hendricks, Wade Miley, Marcus Stroman are solid four.
The pen has some pitchers who look ready to breakout. Adrian Sampson, Scott Effros, Trevor Megill and rookies Ethan Roberts, Ben Leeper and more on the cusp could join the pen.
It’s more a reload under cover than a full rebuild.