Last week, we covered what figures to be one of the top priorities for the MLB Players Association during collective bargaining discussions — alterations to the service time structure. Today, we’ll look at what should be one of the most important issues for Major League Baseball: potential postseason expansion.
An expanded playoff has looked to be a key issue for the league for quite some time, as MLBTR’s Tim Dierkes discussed in January with labor advisor Eugene Freedman. More playoff teams simply means more games for MLB to offer television partners — deals which have proven extremely profitable for the league in recent years. Under past collective bargaining agreements, playoff TV revenue has gone exclusively to the league. The creation of additional rounds to sell to FOX, Turner or any other broadcast partner would figure to provide the league and its owners another windfall.
The league and Players Association already agreed to one playoff expansion, bumping to 16 teams during the 2020 truncated season. That was a one-off agreement, but commissioner Rob Manfred publicly voiced support for a permanent playoff expansion last year. Manfred has previously floated 14 teams as the league’s ideal number, and Jesse Rogers of ESPN reported last week that MLB has had a 14-team playoff format on the table during its early collective bargaining proposals.
According to Rogers, MLB’s proposal would contain seven postseason teams from each of the American and National Leagues. In addition to the three division winners, each league would feature four Wild Card clubs. The team with the best record in each league would receive a first-round bye, while the remaining six teams in each league would participate in a three-game Wild Card series.
Under MLB’s vision, the two division winners in each league that don’t receive the bye would choose their Wild Card series opponents. The division winner with the second-best record would choose its opponent from the bottom three Wild Card clubs; the remaining division winner would have its pick of the bottom two Wild Card teams still available; the remaining Wild Card winners would face one another. The higher-seeded team in each league would host all three games of the opening series.
While potential postseason expansion looks to be an obvious positive for MLB, its effects on the players could be more mixed. The introduction of a playoff round would have a direct financial benefit for some players. Under the terms of previous CBAs, players on postseason teams received varying shares (dependent on team finish) of gate revenues in October. More playoff games would mean more gate revenues, which would stand to benefit some players each year.
That alone doesn’t seem enough to convince the players to wholeheartedly embrace postseason expansion. For one, the league’s interest in larger playoffs is greater than that of the MLBPA, giving the union a powerful bargaining chip to possibly extract concessions on other issues (i.e. service time structure, luxury tax thresholds) of more import to the players. And the MLBPA no doubt has concerns about playoff expansion’s potential indirect effects on team spending habits.
A bigger playoff field inherently means a greater possibility for every team to make the postseason. With increased odds could come complacency. A club with an already-strong roster may not be as motivated to improve under a 14-team field as they’d be under the current system, reasoning that they’re already comfortable with their current odds. Removing the Wild Card game reduces the incentive for teams to win their divisions, since division winners and Wild Card clubs alike would find themselves in an opening round three-game series (although the potential bye for the top seed would increase the incentive for clubs to pursue the league’s best record).
That’s particularly true in MLB, a league with a comparatively high level of variance in small samples. Playoff series in MLB are less predictable than they are in leagues like the NBA and NFL, a trend reinforced in 2021 when the playoff team with the worst regular season record (the Braves) won the World Series. Based on that high level of playoff volatility, many teams could be content to make the postseason — even as one of the lower seeds — and simply hope for a hot stretch once there. Lowering the bar to entry could make it easier for organizations with already strong big league rosters to be less active in free agency, an obvious concern for the players union.
MLB could counter that possibility would be offset by higher desire to improve among mid-tier clubs. After all, that small sample volatility gives teams with even average or marginally above-average rosters an opportunity to go on a lengthy playoff run. Improving from, say, a 76-win roster to an 84-win roster would be significantly more impactful under this vision than it is under the current system.
Still, the MLBPA has seemingly had reservations about the competitive incentives that come with potential playoff expansion. That’s reflected in their counterproposal, as Rogers reported that the union’s most recent offer involves a 12-team postseason, not MLB’s desired 14 clubs. Details on the MLBPA’s offer aren’t clear, although Rogers noted that proposal involved a significant restructuring that would see each league modified from the current three division setup to two divisions apiece (one containing eight clubs, one with seven).
With the MLBPA already showing openness to a 12-team playoff, it’d be a surprise if the next CBA didn’t involve some form of expansion. Keeping the 10-team status quo seems unlikely, since MLB would presumably prefer a 12-team setup to the current system even if the MLBPA doesn’t go for a 14-team tournament. Union amenability to playoff expansion could go a long way towards landing more favorable outcomes in some other areas the MLBPA finds more pressing.
As for fans, playoff expansion seems largely to be a matter of aesthetic preference. Some will naturally recoil at the idea, which would likely eventually result in a new mark for worst regular season record for a World Series champion (currently held by the 83-78 Cardinals of 2006). MLB has traditionally had a smaller postseason field than other major leagues, a point of great appeal for some fans. On the other hand, some viewers are likely to relish a bigger field. Greater opportunity to reach the postseason means more teams remaining in contention. That’s likely to keep more fanbases invested in August and September each season, which will be a feature for many observers.
SystemQB
If they’re going to implement DH leagues wide. Please at least go back to a 4 team playoffs. Much more traditional!
deweybelongsinthehall
Will never happen SystemQB but I’m with you. What traditionally made baseball special was the long season and when they occurred, the dramatic races. Too much playoff money to share though for players and teams to give it up. Why play such a long season if nearly half the league has a championship shot?
Jofus 2
System and dewey, i don’t understand. are you advocating for less baseball? shorter season? shorter playoffs? and why do so many folks complain about having ‘such a long season’? or games that take ‘so long’ to watch. I mean, is it ‘so long’ that you’re suffering? Change the channel. Some of us watch as much as we can, get season tickets and the MLB tv pass. you shouldn’t suffer from watching baseball. and if you are, change the channel. and if you don’t enjoy the product, you have plenty of other options out there. go enjoy some new episodes of sex in the city. I’m not trying to be rude. snarky, but not rude. I just generally don’t understand this line of thinking. i love baseball. more baseball? yes, please.
Android Dawesome
I dont think the problem is with more baseball. Add more games to the regular season if thats what people really want. Expanding the playoffs waters down the post season competition and reduces the drama down the stretch.
Cosmo2
Jofus: So by your logic just let every team in. That’s “more baseball”. It’s watered down and sucks, but it’s more.
Jesse Cook
Jofus 2 I couldn’t of said it any better myself!
Perksy
I agree, it waters everything down and defeats the purpose of having the 162. I’d rather have them leave it at 10, but just turn the wildcard game into a best of 3 playing 3 straight at the better seed.
kodiak920
A little snarky.
Daniella
The problem is they don’t have a lot going on so they sit through all 162 games. People with jobs and lives find the season flies by and we take in as much as we can
l9ydodger
I also agree Persky, but maybe shorten the season so the wildcard playoffs would start the last week of September.
JeffreyChungus
The “don’t you want to watch more baseball?” argument will always be bizarre to me. I guarantee that Jofus never watched baseball before the WC game era, much less the wild card era in general.
It’s not that we want to watch less baseball, but we want to see only the best of the best teams go at it. The fans–especially those who stuck around the whole season–deserve to watch good baseball, not .500 teams.
There used to be a tense atmosphere to every game, where every team was deserving and had survived the gauntlet of a full 162. The teams felt more evenly matched and you could feel the suspense hanging off of every pitch. Maybe I’m just getting old, but I haven’t felt that since 2013 or so, and the anticipation was at an all-time low during the abhorrent 2020 “playoffs.” Watering down the already-crowded playoff field by rewarding “just ok” teams will certainly have a similar effect.
Baseball has been built on tradition, and the postseason–the promised land–shouldn’t be promised to mediocre teams. Let me ask those of you who want to see a playoff expansion: do you really believe the 2021 Cincinnati Reds deserved to be in the playoffs?
9lives
Yes you could. If you’d said ‘couldn’t have’ instead of ‘couldn’t of’ you’d have indeed said it better.
Mystery Team
@Fletcherfan That’s all fine and good and while I agree with you the game just doesn’t. It’s about how they can all make more money. I’ve been watching baseball since I was a kid in the 80s and this current game is not baseball. This is a business and a boring one at that. I used to watch as many games as I could but now it’s tough to get through a game. Sadly I follow the sport more these days for fantasy baseball reasons more than for the love of it. Money killed baseball and and turned it into a machine run by computers and imbeciles.
Darthyen
Your logic is bizarre. You say you want 162 games where the best teams play everybody to show they are the best BUT in the playoffs (where it really counts) you want them to play less teams but only those that supposedly are the best because they played good and bad teams in a regular season to show that?
Wouldn’t it be better to play more of the better teams, in a playoff format, to prove your the best, than to play just those teams that had good records in the regular season where, depending on their division, played maybe a lot more mediocre teams but are in because they were the best in their division?
I am sorry I don’t get how playing LESS of the so called better teams to call you the champ makes you a better champion than having to play MORE of the better teams to be called a champion.
Pete'sView
Jofus – Why not let all 30 teams play in the playoffs—just destroy the whole integrity of the 162 game season? Anything more than what is already in place, will be a NHL/NBA-type travesty. Last season you had not one of the six best teams (Giants, Dodgers, Astros, Rays, White Sox & Brewers) win the championship. Mediocrity won. And you want more of that?
48-team MLB
@Pete’sView
The Braves won 97 games in 2019 and lost in the first round to a team that only won 91. The team that won the 2019 World Series won 93 and finished second in Atlanta’s division. Atlanta may have only won 88 games in 2021 but they have been one of the more consistent teams for four years now and you wouldn’t be saying any of this if their 2019 and 2021 postseasons were reversed. Your logic only works for teams like the 2020 Marlins and the 2020 Reds. Those teams were barely .500 in a 60-game season and they haven’t been anywhere near the postseason in any other seasons recently. The Braves have won a bunch of division titles recently and overcame a ton of adversity in 2021. They earned their title.
Fever Pitch Guy
If today’s greedy owners were running baseball for the past century, there would have been no Shot Heard Round The World or 1978 one-game playoff. Countless exciting late-season games would have been rendered meaningless.
Any team that’s on pace to win at least 95 regular season games will be ho-hum the last month of the regular season. Casual fans will not tune in and hold their breath watching who wins homefield advantage.
And what about the length of the regular season? It will be either the owners getting their wish by shortening the regular season, or home openers will be in March and the World Series will be played in November.
Baseball is a summer sport, it is not meant to be played in November. My team’s home opener next year is in March, I can’t imagine sitting in Fenway with flurries and temps in the 20’s.
But as always greed will win out, we might as well accept it.
And don’t be surprised if the lockout forces dozens of regular season games to be cancelled next year. All the owners want is their precious postseason revenue, if they could have their way they’d have 60-game regular seasons and 16-team postseasons every year.
merrougemayor
Amen x 100 !!!
Pete'sView
48-team MLB – I don’t question that they won the WS. I’m only saying they were not the best team. As a Giants fan, I know inequities first hand as the Braves won in 1993 by one game (104 wins to the Giants 103, who weren’t even allowed into the post season).
48-team MLB
The best team on paper rarely ever wins the World Series though so I’m not sure what your point is. I agree that anything more than 12 postseason teams would be too many but we can’t just go back to only four postseason teams. They’ve added four expansion teams since 1993, which was the last year before the Wild Card was added. 30 teams is a big jump from 26…or 24 like they had when three different teams all won consecutive championships in the ’70s. Dynasties are not good for the game…but I also don’t think it’s good for the game to have .500 teams making the postseason. There needs to be a middle ground.
Kckidd96
Its about more money for the league from playoff TV revenue. Manfred doesnt care if hes watering down and changing everything about this great game.
Metfan1964
As long as they stop starting in March- it is frigging cold at Citifield in march- Start in mid April
Metfan1964
Players are not exactly innocent either
SocraticGadfly
12 teams is kind of too many, 14 way too many.
Plus, this “choose your opponent” BS? Baseball looking at being stupider than other major sports on playoffs. Only Commissioner Corleone could think of this.
Sunday Lasagna
Two divisions in each league and 4 playoff teams! League Championship, World Series, and done.. No wild cards, no fall back to ‘we can still make the playoffs’. Teams in the playoffs should be the true elite of that season…..and I do understand revenue greed means it will never happen, but giving hope to a team hanging around .500 that they could get lucky in the playoffs and win it all? Why don’t we give trophies out for all the teams while we are at it…… Is that what Baseball wants? This fan doesn’t want that.
stymeedone
It doesn’t matter what any individual wants, the expansion of the playoffs means more money for the teams, so more money for the payroll.
dlw0906
Walloper I couldn’t agree more. Nowadays winning a division is practically meaningless. Let’s get back to a pennant race meaning something instead of a WC race.
CentralFan71
WampumWalloper and dlw0906: Under your scenario this year, the Dodgers do not make the playoffs with 106 wins. Or in 2014, when the Cardinals had 100 wins. The 98 win Pirates and 97 win Cubs would have been left out of the playoffs. That seems very unfair. In my opinion, we cannot go back to 4 teams.
Sunday Lasagna
@CentralFan71 “they played well enough” or “they won enough games” – playoff teams? no. The 1980 Orioles won 100 games and sat home to watch the 103 win Yankees go to the playoffs. Puts an urgency in each and every game. In these 12 or 14 team formats, a .500 team over 162 games might get lucky and beat a 106 or 107 win team in a short playoff series. Is that fair?
Faith in the Padres
I’m in favor and probably the only one for there to be 3 5 7 7 if we wind up adding expansions and doing division realignment. 4 division winners and best 4 from any of the divisions. If youre in a weak division you get in but then teams who were in tough divisions get in.
Round 1 wild card 8 teams per league
Round 2 divisional 4 teams per lesgue
Round 3 championship 2 teams per league
World Series
Cut down from 162 games in regular season and make some post season in a wild card round of 8 teams. It’d create some interesting match-ups in the post season.
Cosmo2
Good bye division rivalries. The best teams will know they are in by the all star game and start resting players. The final stretch games will be played out by mediocre teams. It’ll kill the excitement of the regular season and water down the playoffs.
Faith in the Padres
This is why baseball is the least watched sport and barely beating MLS. Fans want to see meaningful games. Teams that have a chance to make 5-8 would be buyers rather than sellers. Add more teams you need something to draw a fan base to expansion teams these days. Goal is still win the division home field and you add more division games towards end of season. The old days are dying. Why they’re implementing the DH in The NL.
Nevrfolow
i agree, i dont think we see the dodgers chase the giants so hard in a newer format. the threat of that one and done wild card really pushed each team to make the division a must win.
explodet
More teams in the playoffs just means the games stop being competitive sometime around mid-May for any team that isn’t a bottom-feeder.
Faith in the Padres
As opposed to 4 teams and half the league being sellers at the deadline some years? Cause they’re 10+ games back? We just saw Atlanta win a world series being buyers and going for it when they were out by a good amount at the deadline and yet fans on this thread don’t want to see more teams do that. Be buyers and go for it.
Faith in the Padres
Dodgers would still have chase the Giants hard. Dodgers had to be the away team in the Atlanta series cause they wound up the lower seed
(Division winners Braves vs wild card Dodgers).
Any playoff system you want to control your own destiny and have home field advantage.
In an 8 playoff team system Dodgers would have been the #5 seed.
Meaning. Unless #1-4 lost and Dodgers made it to the championship round against 6 7 8 they’d be the away team every series.
Wild card
Possibly divisional
Possibly championship
Cosmo2
Braves we’re buyers because they saw that the DIVISION was up for grabs. I don’t want watered down playoffs. I don’t want division rivals being watered down. I don’t want the best teams clinching in early July.
Faith in the Padres
Atlanta was well behind Dodgers and Giants without Acuna, Soroka, and had to buy an entire new OF. They were well out of contention without some of their best players. They went for it cause they were 4 back of the Mets. Now imagine if more teams had a shot at the playoffs and see what happens. Hence the more buyers at deadline is a good thing.
It’s not about what you want. It’s about what’s best for baseball moving forward. What’s best for baseball is recruiting younger fans and not becoming a relic. MLS and NHL are gaining fans.
Fans want offense meaningful games and love underdogs 8 taking out 1
Yankee Clipper
No, Faith. My perspective is different. The tanking teams are still going to tank regardless of their positioning. Atlanta has a unique GM, they’re a unique team, and we’re in a unique position. They’re the exception, not the norm. Adding more teams does not create more Atlanta teams. It just makes it easier for the flailing Padres to get in at the end of the year when they’ve lost their division. Ya know? They need to disincentivize losing teams from, well, losing as a matter of business.
Baseball is not the least watched sport. But I’ll stipulate… say it is. It only is because the games already have less value at 162. NFL only has 16! So every single game is a difference-maker. NBA, they play half the games, and again, the playoffs are far more watched than the regular season.
I under your point, but I disagree on the premise.
Cosmo2
They went for it because they had a shot at the division. Expanded playoffs wouldn’t have affected their season. Again, more teams in the playoffs waters it down. Where does it end. By your logic, why not 20 teams, 24 teams? Making the playoffs and the rivalries uniformly LESS exciting isn’t the answer. You’re sacrificing quality for quantity. Again, where does it end? Why stop at 14?
Faith in the Padres
8=/=14 maybe you’re having trouble with math
4 division winners
4 wild card teams
8 per league
Any playoff format you need power’s of 2 if everyone plays every round
2 4 8 16 32
Also you make rivalries more exciting by adding division games at end of the season instead of beginning. Pretty simple to keep divisional rivalries.
Again. Not what YOU want. It’s what’s best for baseball and what’s going to recruit younger fans.
It’s only a thing if expansion teams are added. Doesn’t make sense with 30 teams. Makes sense with 32 teams and realignment to 4 divisions per league.
NL AL West
NL AL Central
NL AL North
NL AL South
Cosmo2
The division games at the end will be virtually meaningless as both rivals will be ALREADY in the playoffs. They’ll be playing for seeding, not who gets in. Way less exciting.
Faith in the Padres
Right. Cause having HOME FIELD instead of being on the ROAD doesn’t matter in 3 GAME and 5 GAME series. Yeah no teams would willingly just accept being ROAD teams cause HOME FIELD doesn’t matter. Theyd take their chances being ROAD teams. Said no team ever.
Cosmo2
It’s not necessarily going to recruit younger fans. You don’t know that. The article mentions 14 as an ideal so that’s what I’m going by. You don’t know what the game needs. You know what YOU think it needs and I disagree completely.
Yankee Clipper
Gotta say, man. I agree with Cosmo2. Theres no need for expansion. There’s no evidence any of this will draw more fans anyway. Nor will this entice more viewership during the season. This is a ploy for TV marketing and ownership revenue. The rights to these games are incredibly expensive.
If any team were in the Braves’ position last year, all but very few exceptions would’ve proceeded with the anticipatory lackadaisical approach to finishing their season without ‘going for it.’
The premise of the argument for expansion is flawed because it’s based on adding a younger demographic & more viewers to the game, for which there is no discernible evidence. The only evidence that exists for this is to say that it will definitely put more money in the owners’ pockets.
Cosmo2
It won’t work that way. You’ll sacrifice SOME home games, it’s not an all/none dichotomy. It’s just less exciting to hit a home run to beat a rival and simply gain home field advantage for one series. More playoffs equals more baseball but the individual games will mean LESS.
Faith in the Padres
Coach/Owner: hey guys let’s pack it in we can be the road team
Players: wtf
Coach/Owner: yeah its ok these games against our rivals don’t matter let them have home field we can play on the road
Yeah. Great winning strategy and attitude.
Faith in the Padres
Lmao you seriously believe teams in a playoff hunt will sacrifice games and opt to be a road team. Sure man.
Faith in the Padres
Game changes made by Manfred, love em or mostly hate em, are geared toward recruiting younger fans.
Gone are the days of long games taking 4 5 hours, 18 19 20 inning extra inning games. Hence runner on 2nd rule in extras.
Nobody wants to see a pitcher be an automatic out these days. Hence the universal DH.
Times are changing.
Either the MLB adapts or it becomes a thing of the past.
It started with automatic walk no need to throw 4 pitches. Continued with 3 batter minimum rule so teams didn’t use 15 pitchers a game. Soon you’ll see pitcher shot clocks 30 seconds maybe 25. Next will come automatic strike zones. Possibly you’ll see no shifts on defense allowed.
The mlb wants fast games and high scoring to attract younger fans. Their goal is to get games down to 3 hours or less with high scoring affairs.
Sucks but things change. You may not like them. You may hate them whine about them cry yourself to sleep over them. But changes are inevitable for the mlb to be viable as entertainment going forward.
The mlb will add expansions. Las Vegas is an untapped market and the MLB wants to get there before the NBA does to establish themselves. You could make a case for Hawaii, Montreal, Utah, Oklahoma being the 2nd.
New teams means new owners means new sources of revenue.
If you’re gonna revamp the playoff system you need to revamp the spending. Minimum spending and cap. Put the floor at like 125 mill and ceiling at 225-230 mill.
dodger1958
And the five or six years before that? The Giants and Padres would have been away team.
MartialArtisan
Portland will get a team long before Hawaii.
slider32
Baseball is healthy, teams that were once contenders are now at the bottom. I remember the Orioles in the 60’s, four 20 game winners. I Rays beat the giants this year, and have a small budget. There seems to be new teams in the playoffs every year.. Players and owners are making a lot of money, I don’t see them screwing it up.
Dunedin020306
@Faith in the Padres – Your statements “Either the MLB adapts or it becomes a thing of the past.”, “Times are changing.”, and “The mlb wants fast games and high scoring to attract younger fans.” well illustrate the problem of your thinking. The old saying “If it ain’t broke, don’t fix it.” applies here. YOU may think baseball is “broke” and needs to change, but that shows you don’t appreciate baseball for what makes it such a great game. And the younger generation may want a faster-paced higher-scoring game. If they do, maybe baseball isn’t the game for them. If they want a faster game, go watch the NHL. If they want a higher-score game, go watch the NBA. Part of the beauty of MLB is what it is and has been for many decades. MLB should not pander to a group of people who don’t appreciate baseball for what it is and, in the process of trying to “improve” it, wind up changing it into what it was never meant to be.
Baseball should be a methodical game of patience and strategy, not chaotic fast-paced frenetic action. That’s just me; a long-time (almost 50 years) baseball fan.
Halo11Fan
Without looking it up, I’m pretty sure the four 20 games winners was in 1971.
Faith in the Padres
The mlb is a business first and foremost. Nobody is an owner for love of the game.
NFL, NBA, NHL, MLS you get plug and play players or players who are ready to contribute in at worst 3 years.
Mlb doesn’t have the luxury of plug and play players. Development takes time. Technology has made people impatient. Ppl want instant gratification and instant results these days. It’s inevitable the mlb must change its ways. Sorry if that upsets you but you aren’t their main target audience.
Mlb isn’t targeting you in your 50s who has another 30 40 50 years god willing theyre targeting kids who have another 90 years.
Mlb has a serious issue on its hands. Not only are younger fans becoming less interested in watching kids don’t even want to play the sport anymore due to costs/equipment issues. Its much easier to get a football basketball soccerball. Can’t lose them over a fence as easy. Hockey is played in doors so you can play any time of year.
Again. Sorry if the truth hurts but mlb is a business. Businesses want to make money. They target who they can get the most money out of. 50 year olds or get a new generation to become interested?
The nfl literally broadcasted the superbowl on nickelodeon with cgi slime blasters to target a new generation. Changes are coming.
There’s excitement about the nfl and nba draft. Hardly anybody watches the mlb draft.
axios.com/little-league-participation-down-world-s…
Faith in the Padres
With all the changes that have been made since baseballs dead ball era you’re still watching.
Inter league play
No pitch walks
Runner on 2nd in extras
Division realignments
Expansion teams
Universal DH coming
Defensive shifts/alignments
Changes happen. Fans of baseball will still watch. Theyll pout cry and whine but you’ll still watch cause it’s baseball. Mlb isn’t worried about losing you as fans. You’ll still watch.
They want new generations of fans
si.com/mlb/2019/12/23/baseball-decade-in-review
Sadface
But the NFL could play more games, they just choose not to and for some reason fans buy into that it makes the games more special. When you only play 16 games and then at most 4 playoff games that is a very very short season. I can’t watch the NBA anymore too many bad teams make the playoffs and the same teams are back every year. Plus my team the Hawks can’t even get to the finals. They had the best record in the NBA only to lose to LeBron James on his way to another finals.
48-team MLB
The NFL could play more games but that means 20 at the most. You can’t play more than once a week in that sport. You need time to recover.
stymeedone
It doesn’t matter whether it increases attendance or viewership “during the season.” What matters is that overall attendance and viewership will go up. More playoff games means more high attendance games.
dlw0906
The Braves were only out by 5, tied for 2nd behind an already fading Mets team. No I don’t want to see a mediocre .500 or worse team get hot and win a WS, or get swept in the WS by a far superior team. I want to see the best take on the best, the final 4, 6 at most survivors a 6+ month long 162 game season battle it out in the playoffs. A bunch of .500 or sub .500 teams scranbling to be the last wild cards is not nearly as exciting as two teams chasing each for the division title fighting tooth and nail because the team finishing 2nd doesn’t make the playoffs at all. That kind of high-stakes drama has been missing for quite a while in the MLB.
Hexbreaker
@Faith in the Padres
Home field advantage in the post season is a myth. It’s a statistical fact that the home team wins roughly 50% of playoff games… give or take a few percentage points.
On the other hand, it does matter to the fans.
dlw0906
NFL doubleheaders would stretch the games played in a season, have teams play at 1p and then again later at 8p or 9p that night. That would be insane though.
Yankee Clipper
At least they have their priorities straight – more team as in the playoffs for more money to the ownership, while simultaneously requesting a cap for…..you guessed it! More money for the ownership. Anyone see a trend in negotiating tactics?
Sadface
More playoffs should be tied to more revenue for the players. Maybe a larger cut of the tv money on the additional games. Also more playoff games should mean a shorter season. Since a shorter season the owners will expect to pay the players less during the season.
Pete'sView
Sadface – That will surely degrade MLB baseball into a worthless sport to watch.
spudchukar
This only screws over small market teams!
bradthebluefish
Remember when it was only the Yankees and Red Sox who won the AL East / AL Wild Card spot? And all the other AL East had no chance? I’m a Sox fan but what fun is that.
notagain27
I remember in 2006 when Detroit had to wait a few days for the series to begin and player lost their timing. Off days aren’t always a blessing
Please, Hammer. Don't hurt 'em.
Too much off time is bad. I read that was a big reason the Rockies lost their only world series appearance. Bye weeks are best for football teams so they can get healthy but they are even getting rid of them in the NFL. They are worse for baseball teams because they kill momentum and throw off timing. MLB should realize that if the NFL doesn’t want bye rounds in the playoffs it probably isn’t good for baseball teams either. I would rather just 8 playoff teams but if they are going to expand it doubling to 16 is the only way to go so teams don’t have bye’s.
ukpadre
Rockies lost because they were a team playing way above their talent level on a lucky streak and came up against a very strong Boston team, and their luck ran out.
JeffreyChungus
Yeah the biggest reason why the 2007 Rockies got swept was because of off days and not the fact that the Red Sox were an absolute wagon that year.
Please, Hammer. Don't hurt 'em.
It was something ridiculous like a week off. The Red Sox didn’t win their first ALCS game until the Rockies had already swept the NLCS. The Rockies had to not play for all 4 of the Red Sox wins and all 3 or 4 of the off days in between. Every pitcher missed at least one turn in the rotation and their best pitchers missed 2 turns. That’s way too much time off.
bradthebluefish
I remember this too. Detroit only became competitive after going 0-2. But it was too late.
Dogbone
On a scale of 1-10, I don’t believe ‘expanded playoffs’ would be more important than a 2 or 3.
Inside Out
Hopefully owners win the playoff fight and there are 14 teams. Way too few teams now .
niched
Totally disagree. The season is already too long and what’s the point of having a long season already if so many teams make the playoffs? Too long a season is as bad for the sport as games that are too long. And it might also mean more injuries for the players.
sadosfan
Silver haired middle aged man alert!!
Perksy
And are you a young millennial sabermetric stat geek?
sadosfan
Nope! Just a Crime in Sports listener!
Angels86ed
I understand that lowering the luxury tax threshold to $180mm was a non-starter as was setting the FA age at 29, but expanding the post-season in exchange for an increased lux tax, a share of playoff revenues, a 154-game season, the DH, etc. seems reasonable. Also, while some teams might be content with rosters with an increased chance of making the playoffs, wouldn’t others who further away be more motivated to spend if they had a better chance?
Halo11Fan
It’s reasonable for the players and owners, but the fans get screwed.
What’s the point of winning your division?
Angels86ed
I guess I’m not seeing how fans would get screwed if winning your division is given less emphasis
Cosmo2
Fans get screwed because it takes away exciting games… Dent’s homer vs the Sox? Virtually meaningless in this format; both teams would’ve already been in. Best team in baseball on national TV in August? Boring, they’ll be testing their players. Have fun when the most exciting late season games are between .500 teams.
User 4245925809
Have to give MLB some credit. Back in late 70’s and early 80’s, too many times KC would win the AL West by default, only because every team in it stunk for about a 10y period. If remember correctly.. KC was under .500 and leading it nearly half of 1 of those seasons before finishing 2-3g over .500 at the end and getting, naturally whipped by the AL East team in the playoffs, so yes.. MLB did fix 1 thing with adding the wild card..
Halo11Fan
Fans get screwed because winning during the season means less and less. If you have a good team, your team plays it’s first meaningful games in October.
Cosmo2
Wouldn’t teams who know they’re likely to be amongst the better half potentially have LESS reason to spend?
Angels86ed
Some may, for sure. But we still see competitive teams like the Dodgers “going for it” when they believe their “window” is open. I guess teams are gonna do what they’re gonna do regardless of the CBA. And most will likely emphasize profits over winning regardless
Cosmo2
Right, point being that the new format wouldn’t encourage spending any more than there already is. Bad teams might spend a bit more to get a chance, but mediocre teams figure they’re making it in anyway so why bother.
thomasg1951
Won’t look much like baseball soon.
Put everybody in the playoffs. Don’t hurt anyones feelings. Give them all Participation Ribbons.
casorgreener
I mean really why not? Making the playoffs has become a joke in almost every sport anyway. Even the college football playoffs is talking about expanding to 12 teams. It ‘s going to get to the point where almost every team with a winning record makes the playoffs in every major professional sport.
Cosmo2
At 14 teams at some point, almost certainly, one or more LOSING teams will get in. It’s absurd.
When it was a game.
I liked 4 teams. Then you know the two best teams are getting in. At 14 teams it is just watered down. There will be losing teams getting in and post season records are also going to have asteric.
kellin
That only works if the there’s a re-alignment of two divisions per league.. I know there was a rumor of that possibility even though this article doesn’t mention it.. but somehow I don’t think that’ll end up happening
mgomrjsurf
Geographical the Division. More Games would mean ESPN can show more in Postseason.
gbs42
kellin – the article does mention the two-division format possibility.
casorgreener
@cosmo2
I’m with you. It’s ridiculous.
Hexbreaker
@Casor_Greener
“Even the college football playoffs is talking about expanding to 12 teams.”
No comparison. They have way more than 30 teams in college football.
Halo11Fan
I hate the owners idea of the playoffs.
Their has to be more incentive to win the division. As far as selecting a team you claim you are going to beat? How’s that gonna work out if you lose.
I don’t write that one group is clueless very often, but the owners are clueless.
MartialArtisan
The ability to select who you want to play is the only part I do like about it. Teams never want to publicly say who they want to play. Doing that would give the other team “bulletin board material” and give them inspiration. I could see a lot of drama and new rivalries come out of that. Might be fun to watch.
Halo11Fan
So having the second best record puts your team, owner and manager into the hot seat that will cause your organization to be second guessed for years, but your team is free of that headache by finishing with a worse record.
It’s dumb.
gbs42
Having the second-best record also would give a team home-fileld advantage for the entire series and the ability to choose whichever team it thinks it matches up against best. Second-guessing will always happen. It’s better than having to go on the road for the first round
Cap & Crunch
I know your technically correct gbs43 but it still feels odd mixing “entire” and 3 game series together in the same sentence
They need to shorten the regular season and have all playoff series be 7 game series
This puts the 2021 Dodgers with the 2nd best record in all the bigs in a lose 2 games in 48 hrs and gone scenario?
Where’s the logic in that? More playoff games not teams !! Ive been saying this for years….Nobody would even care about 162 going to 150 after the inaugural year
The NLDS and ALDS being best of 5 right now is one of the dumbest ideas in sports, and now they want to kick it down to 3 game series
As an owner id be less inclined to ink long term risky deals to major money in this format – Wayyy too much variance in 3 gamers to involve RISK- Owners know this, they will pull out the 3 iron and lay up on every par 5 they see moving forward, No Bueno
Halo11Fan
There is second guessing and there is second guessing.
Home field is fine.
Ten teams is great. A third of the league.
Cosmo2
14 teams is way too much. Why play 162 then? Also it would diminish division rivals since the best teams would lock up their playoff positions early and the big games at the end of the season would be between middling teams.
mister guy
the answer to that would be to expand and to let amateur teams compete to play in the mlb for the season. Let me tell you the embarrassment of losing to an atlantic league team might be enough to stop teams from tanking
Cosmo2
So just completely change the entire sport? That’s a terrible (and unworkable) idea
some guy 2
I think he means something like English premier league, where the top teams play for the premier league championship while simultaneously playing for the FA cup ( which includes all teams in the country)
Cosmo2
I know what he means, it’s unworkable… you’d have to change the whole system. What other teams would be included? Minor leagues? Wouldn’t work.
baseball1010
They could be playing on Thanksgiving day….
Cleon Jones
Game 7 Christmas Day 2024
refereemn77
This is where the real problem exists. Unless they cutback the number of regular season games, you’ll be playing the World Series in a blizzard somewhere. That’s dumb!
Cleon Jones
162 games to eliminate half the teams. Sad.
number1dodger
I would like to see just four teams from each league. Make it easy. Because some teams just don’t deserve to be in the postseason. Where is the challenge if a team under 500 makes the postseason. That’s just putting players at risk of injury that earned the right to be in the playoffs.
bucsfan0004
5 teams is perfectly fine. No one is proposing taking away playoff teams.
Alkie
Hot take, I know, but no team in 3rd place in their own division should be eligible to win the World Series.
empirejim
IDK… last season the Giants won 107, the Dodgers 106. If the Padres didnt absolutely tank the last month or so they’d have been somewhere around 90-93 wins. Cant say that a 93-win team should be excluded just because two titans ran up the wins. Just hypothetically…
dodger1958
empirejim,
If the Pads didn’t “tank” neither the Giants nor the Dodgers would have won as many games since many Ws were against them. In fact I doubt either team would have won 100. But that is not provable one way or the other.
empirejim
dodger1958
You just make my point for me. If the Padres didnt tank there would have been 3 really solid teams in the division.
Logjammer D"Baggagecling
Last year and also 2015 the NL Central had 4 teams and 3 teams make the playoffs. 2015 each team was separated by 1 game.
FredMcGriff for the HOF
10 teams are perfect. More teams equal playing into November. Do we really want winter weather playing a factor in the playoffs. It snowed here in Nebraska on 11/1/21. Baseball isn’t designed for playing in the snow. MLB and MLBPA need to quit this expanded playoff nonsense unless they are planning on putting domes on all the stadiums. Personally I think they should get rid of the wild cards all together and go to 6 teams. Best of the best. Best team in the AL/NL gets a bye.
Cosmo2
Also, aren’t pitchers already worn out enough? Do we wanna really add up to ten more starts per season per pitcher?
TalkSomeSense
How do you get 10 more starts per pitcher out of a 3 game series? When did a pitcher last make 10 starts in one single post season?
Cosmo2
If they EXPAND the playoffs there will be MORE games. If your best pitcher starts two games per series in a 14 team format….
TalkSomeSense
Wild Card Rd- 3 games your number 1 is start 1 not 2.
Division Series Max 2 .
LCS- 2 possibly 3 but unlikely.
WS- 3
1+2+3+3= 9 at the very max. And we are talking about 1 extra start the WC series then we currently have. How you get 10 more starts per pitcher is pure hyperbole.
There are plenty of ways to incentivize winning a division or even being the top wild card.
Do you really think a top team will say in early July yea ok we can sneak in as the 7 seed we did enough. More hyperbole.
With the current system it can just as easily be a team running away with it especially in a weak division.
I like the players proposal 12 teams re-align to 2 divisions per league.
kwolf68
Good idea, but more playoff teams = more money and that’s what rules the roost unfortunately.
Why did the NFL expand to 17 games? MONEY. I know money is what makes the world go-around but it screws up everything every time when money becomes the end-goal.
creacher
12. If it’s 14, why the hell do we even play any regular season games. Make the season 88 then
slider32
14 teams gives more teams a chance, it mirrors the NFL. I can see this going through, and the DH.
Cosmo2
It doesn’t mirror the NFL where they only play 16 regular season games. Not even close. Giving more teams a chance is just watering down the value of getting in.
Yankee Clipper
More teams have a chance, but you’ll still have a Pirates fan upset because the playing field isn’t even enough. Better yet, why don’t we rotate through which teams make the playoffs every year despite what their record is! That’s totally feel-good-fair!
bucsfan0004
The playing field is perfectly fine. Not sure why you want to throw the Pirates or their fans under the bus. Just part of being an obnoxious Yankee fan i guess.
Yankee Clipper
No, bucsfan0004. Although I unintentionally offended you, I was referring to the Pirates fan in this thread who said he want a cap & floor to make it fair for the Pirates to be more competitive, because the owner sucks, according to him/her. So, I didn’t just make it up, and I wasn’t just being an obnoxious Yankees fan, although that seems pretentious.
Since you were the aggrieved party, I apologize to you and forgive the lashing out – cool?
SheaGoodbye
Then make it 16. Or 18. Or 20. It’s all arbitrary. But having nearly half the teams in the league make the playoffs only constitutes to water down the product, especially in a sport where luck is a big factor in the postseason. Crappy teams who get hot at the right time do not deserve a chance.
ukpadre
Might as well just have 30 teams make it and all you’re playing for is seeding in a lockout format. It’ll be about as exciting as 14 teams anyway.
YourDreamGM
They still play a regular season in nba nhl. Question is why does anyone watch the regular season games? I think a lot of peoples lives are so boring they just need something to root for. And gambling.
bucsfan0004
Who would ever watch a regular season NBA game? The players don’t care and don’t take the regular season seriously, so why would i? In the NBA, the team with the best players always win. Any casual fan can name the best 5 NBA teams, and there’s a 100% chance that one of those teams will win the title.
SheaGoodbye
Millions of people, actually.
And how is it a fair thing in baseball for mediocre teams to get hot at the right time and beat teams which have proven their superiority over 162 games+? It would make the regular season equally as meaningless.
You could make an argument against any sport. Sports elitism just makes you look dumb.
That all said, I do think that the NBA should trim the number of playoff teams. The lower seeds are just sad.
all in the suit that you wear
Actually, what if they limited the number of 3 pointers a team could take in a game? That might be very interesting and change the game for the better. It seems like now they just bomb away from 3 point land way too much.
Omarj
NBA went from 16/30 teams and expanded their playoff format, and NHL is 16/32. Add to that, NFL added another game to regular season. If other leagues are making changes to increase revenue, it only makes sense for MLB to implement, at least consider. Not saying I agree with it all, but those look like factors
2001morecowbell2001
So every season starts in August basically since any team has a chance to make it at any given time and a division is pointless. This used to be a game of attrition.
Tiger_diesel92
Still say you take the best 6-8 records in each league and stop having these lopsided home field advantage to a team with a lower w/l record have home field while the team with the higher winning percentage plays away. Like just make the playoff format make sense instead of this bs.
marrtho
Do something about the 1-game wild card
bobtillman
Thank You; a thousand gifts in your stocking. I DETEST the one-game playoff; idiotic when it was conceived, idiotic when it was implemented, will be idiotic in the future.
As for the rest of it, I’m OLD, so I remember when “playoffs” = World Series. So what the chapter and verse of it now to me doesn’t mean much.
Just get rid of that one-game nonsense.
YanksFan22
Agreed. As a matter of fact, the only thing I liked about 2020’s playoff configuration was the fact that the Wild Card was three games. That seemed like a fair amount to me.
SheaGoodbye
I don’t mind it tbh. That’s the penalty for not winning your division.
That said, I guess I wouldn’t hate seeing it expanded to 3 games.
empirejim
If you expand the playoffs another round you need to shorten the regular season. It’s getting stupid how late in the year they go and they’ve just been fortunate there havent been lengthy snow delays.
Cleon Jones
Exactly. 91 series ends Oct 28th in Minnesota. 3 days later there is 28 of snow on the ground. Baseball in Nov is stupid, and MLB is going to get burned. World Series should be completed by Oct 20th.
Patrick OKennedy
They can play 162 games in 154 days. Each team gets 4 home double headers per season and 4 on the road.
YanksFan22
Just no. This whole idea is awful. This is a sport, not a stupid reality TV show.
Yankee Clipper
Won’t be able to tell the difference a generation from now.
bobtillman
Exactly. I remember when they split the leagues into 2 divisions and added a playoff structure, that some fans reacted as it was the end of the world as we know it. Now fans would be aghast at so few playoff games.
aTouchOfSarcasm
That’s a good way to motivate a team, being the one picked by the other division winners. Basically saying, “Hey we think you’re the easiest team to beat.” Could stir up some bad blood.
not alkaline
Climate change to the rescue
ottoc 2
Add two teams. Have four 8-team leagues. That would give sufficient play-offs and reduce the regular season to 154 games. I’d also do away with inter-league play. I went for many years when the All-Star Game and World Series actually meant something (and for what it’s worth, I’ve seen professional games in 139 parks in this country and Canada).
Mr. Chuck
Great idea. And, as much as possible, go back to the traditional rivalries that existed when there last were eight team leagues, e.g., Braves, Dodgers, Giants, Reds, Cardinals, Cubs, Phillies, Pirates all in the same league.. And no more inter-league play.
Tomahawk Takeover
I agree but unfortunately until the Tampa and Oakland situations are resolved, we’re stuck at 30. They’re not gonna take away any potential markets in the short term.
Avoidlloyd75
Well if you’re a big market team then No you don’t want playoff expansion or god forbid talk about salary cap/floor!
This game needs to change dramatically. In Pittsburgh we are held hostage by a horrible owner! Please MLB do something!
Yankee Clipper
Again, not true. Hal Steinbrenner led the charge in the salary cap. It’s not big-market v small-market anymore. They all want the cap so they can save more money. They all know it doesn’t equal parity. Parity based on cap/floor is a myth. And that won’t make your owner better.
You’re a fan of a terrible team so you want MLB to legislate wins into the game for you through salary control? Are you serious guy? Talk about weak
Tomahawk Takeover
It’s not legislating wins to have a cap and floor. It forces cheap teams to spend money. Every fan should want that
Yankee Clipper
How does a cap make teams spend money, Tomahawk? The only thing it makes is the owners more money while limited the free market for players.
Tomahawk Takeover
The floor makes teams spend money. The cap limits what your big market teams can spend. And for the love of God people need to stop complaining about owners making money. That’s the entire point of business.
Omarj
Mark Cuban tried to buy em, but no dice
empirejim
@Avoidlloyd Sorry you have a bad owner, but a salary cap isnt going to help. NBA has a cap, and it hasnt made all things equal. NFL has a cap and we still see the same teams year after year excelling. Bad owners are what needs to change,
YourDreamGM
I like the current the setup. They could have a 3 game wild card series and 7 game divisional to add games. People don’t like change and that makes sense. More playoff games and revenue with a slight adjustment to a format that fans generally like and are accustomed to. Maybe add 1 more wild card team and the division winner with weakest record has to play in wild card. 7 or 8 teams in each league making playoffs and I am not watching regular season. If your team is good they will make the playoffs so need to watch. Rooting for a bye week isn’t exciting enough to invest time.
Yankee Clipper
Maybe the entire second half of the season can be one long playoff bracket? No? Am I the only one? Yeah, okay.
citizen
That’s how the NBA and NHL works. Everyone’s a winner and the playoffs are 3 months long.
Ducky Buckin Fent
I can see a way a 6 team field would be compelling for fans & profitable for MLB.
Have a kind of “Wild Card Weekend” which would be similar to the NFL: seeds 5 & 6 play a one game play-in (similar to the NCAA hoops tournament). The winner of that immediately plays the 4 seed in a 2 game format like the KBO. They could run it Thurs-Saturday (if game 2 is needed) or Fri-Sunday. Wouldn’t be much competition aside from college &/or pro football (which is why I favor it starting on a Thursday.)
That would be a bit of a taxing gauntlet which would incentivize winning your division. It would also stack the odds against all WC teams while (hopefully) ensuring the best of the lot advances.
It would add a day or two at most to the postseason. It would keep more fan bases engaged through September, too. & it would add some initial drama. & we’re already at 5 teams. So 6 shouldn’t be some desecration of baseball tradition at this point.
Yankee Clipper
I could see that as a very plausible solution.
Ducky Buckin Fent
I’d prefer to keep it at 5 teams, myself, Clip.
But there is just simply too much $$ involved for the owners to turn their backs on. 7 teams is just too many & – for me anyway – cheapens the regular season too much.
This lets one more team (from each league) wet their beaks in Playoff Moola, while not going too far away from what we have now. It’s certainly a hodgepodge of the NCAA, NFL, & KBO but I’m pretty sure both casual & hard core alike baseball fans would watch. & it wouldn’t add much overall length to the playoffs. Which combined with the loot is what MLB wants.
Yankee Clipper
Yeah, I’m just disgusted with the motive behind it. Nothing is done to benefit the game or the fans of the game. It’s all about just how much more they can eek out for the owners (and players, of course). I mean, proposing a new playoff structure AND a cap for a double savings?! Like, seriously? And fans still think a cap is what the game needs – it kills me. Turns me off to the game, man.
Almost like the competitiveness has been ripped right out of their former manly souls in favor of new flashy yacht shoes or some such boyish nonsense.
Ducky Buckin Fent
Hey, don’t disregard the value of a nice pair of top siders, Clip. I may have a pair or three myself.
Anyway.
Yeah, it is certainly all about the money. & we get further & further away from the game I grew up with. But, that doesn’t really bother me overly much. I think it would if my son liked baseball at all. But he just has always preferred sports that are less…I dunno, stationary I suppose. So baseball isn’t part of our sport “traditions” or whatever. Ya know? Those are; football, NCAA basketball tournament, & Wimbledon (I know, right?).
I think I may feel differently if he was.
But ~ 100 years ago, Polo was more popular than football & hoops. *Combined*. There is even a Polo HOF in Fla. Interesting place, btw. It was replaced by other sports. I can see the same thing happening to baseball. Which – in the grand scheme of things – wouldn’t really be all that bad. I will be dead by then.
Soooo….
Cleon Jones
Personally I find Legion and ind league BB more entertaining than MLB. Guys gaving fun, pitch the ball, hit the ball, catch the ball, run the bases. 9 innings takes 2hrs at most.
Patrick OKennedy
Very creative and interesting! But alas, expanding the playoffs are all about money for the owners, so that’s what they’ll do.
The players should counter with a 12 team playoff in 2022, expanding to 14 only when MLB expands to 32 teams. I don’t really want a 14 team field, but I’m resigned to it happening because there is too much money for them not to do it.
They can get $2 billion for each expansion franchise, and 26 more jobs per team for the players.
What the players absolutely must get in return for expanding playoffs is a way to force teams to spend that are tanking. Whether it’s a salary floor, or a heavy tax on payrolls under $100 million, or denying them revenue sharing if they don’t spend…. they need that, and they need a serious increase in the minimum salary.
WhoNoze
The 4 seed would be well-rested and the 5 or 6 could possibly be coming off a 14 inning game that just used 6 of their pitchers. You need to think that through…
Ducky Buckin Fent
I like that aspect of it.
It would certainly create some drama & narratives. But – well – they should have won more games if they didn’t want to experience a scenario such as that.
Bottom line: suck it up, buttercup. Figure it out or go home. In a Playoff system like that, the WC teams are decidedly second class postseason citizens. & I’m good with that. But just imagine when a #6 seed actually wins the pennant. They’d have tons of bandwagon fans.
Highest IQ
I say 3 game wild cards no more.
Yankee Clipper
Every game should be a WC game. Every single one. That way, the littlest guy has a chance to win. And there should be extra credit points for staying under the CBT like Hal does every year, like a special award or something.
mister guy
12 teams, just take the top 2 in each division and the 3 second place teams play to eliminate each other. do 2 single games, the 2 lowest win totals and then the 2 left play
Dannyocean
162 games and they need another 28 to determine a champion.
Tomahawk Takeover
I’d say players will ask for a shorter season
empirejim
And all we will need is to get rid of the Commissioner’s Trophy and replace it with participation trophies for EVERYONE so no feelings get hurt…..
Tomahawk Takeover
If they’re gonna expand playoffs then players are going to want a shorter regular season. This and service time are either gonna be the deal makers or deal breakers. These 2 issues will be what draws out the talks well into late February/early March.
Goose
The NFL and now MLB haven’t gotten that changing playoffs and schedule are not where they should be focusing revenue increases. They need to innovate and create new revenue streams not shuffle the deck chairs on the Titanic.
Cleon Jones
No truer words spoken here.
Kungfooshus
What MLB really needs is a more balanced schedule. I’ve figured out a way that might work – that gives 158 regular season games.
Say I’m an AL team – I play 7 games versus each of the other AL teams (7×14 is 98 games). And I play 4 games versus each NL team (4×15 is 60 Inter-league games).
The playoff system idea needs work. But with a balanced schedule, all teams will have the same strength of schedule at least, giving more meaning to regular season won-loss records.
BuddyBoy
I don’t like interleague play personally. Particularly with two sets of rules in regards to the DH.
Kungfooshus
I think Interleague play is okay, but would be better with the DH in both leagues.
Interleague play will let an AL fan see 2 games versus each NL team each year. Will be great for marketing as well as increasing fan interest in mlb as a whole. Probably would increase attendance.
TalkSomeSense
A balanced schedule is badly needed. The inbalance helps teams in bad divisions inflate their win totals and sneak in more often as wild cards. Love to see them go back to 2 divisions as well.
Mr. Chuck
If this is just one of the issues they are discussing, and even those of us paying attention to this forum have such disparate opinions, it is difficult to imagine that there will ever be a new CBA.
Cleon Jones
Wait until March. Ticket sales and paychecks will motivate everyone. Until then, endless preening and posturing.
BuddyBoy
12 teams, top two in each league get a bye. No more one game WC round. Three games in WC, 5 game division round, 7 game league championship round.
pjmcnu
Why on earth would players on Cincy, Pittsburgh, etc., who rarely if ever commit the resources necessary to make the playoffs agree to an expanded postseason where only players on participating teams see a cut of revenue? Naiveté or blind optimism? Split the revenue 50/50 owners/players and you’ll have an agreement. Propose they play more games & you keep all the playoff money: buzz off.
citizen
How about ending the damn blackout for local mlb broadcasts, even on mlbtv. Have only games that sellout broadcast locally. What’s the point of expanded playoffs if one can’t watch them? have it done on a local channel.
Best Screenname Ever
Who can’t watch playoffs? Makes no sense.
citizen
People without cable tv.
WhoNoze
They can always take out a second mortgage.
Patrick OKennedy
They can stream it
YankeesBleacherCreature
As a cordcutter, I wouldn’t be able to if I couldn’t use my parents’ FiOS cable account from another state.
I already pay for regular season MLB.tv and no way am going to pay each for a months’ subscription to stream TBS, Fox, TNT, and ESPN to watch playoffs baseball.
dodger1958
The injuries seem to impact pennant races more and more. The longer the season, including playoffs, the more likelihood of injuries. Particularly to pitchers. If you continually expand have 26 or 27 team rosters (but work out something so we don’t see 10 relievers a game).
Best Screenname Ever
14 teams means more playoffs which means more baseball. I’m in.
kwolf68
So the two sides have not met since last week? Glad to see them hammering out a compromise.
theodore glass
No one here can pretend that the current postseason format is perfect. So one way or another we need to expand the postseason.
Cosmo2
What do you mean? It CAN’T be “perfect”, it’s a playoff system. I absolutely and emphatically disagree that we need expansion. It would ruin the excitement for me. No expanded playoffs, not one way, nor another.
mike156
I strongly dislike the one game playoff. Either make it three, and find out a way to fill out the schedule or do something else that doesn’t make a mockery of a long regular season. Here’s a crazy thought, if you keep it at 8: Make it an up to two game Wildcard, with the Wildcard team with the better record starting with one win.
msiegel67
I don’t think MLB is ready for division and league realignment just yet. That is a huge change, and they already can’t agree on the small stuff. I’m all for a playoff expansion though, with BYEs you have to mindful of not too much off time to lose momentum for players.
To me the most logical is either the 8 team per league we saw in 2020 (Top 2 from each division, plus 2 wildcard teams). That only adds one extra round. Make it best of 3 if you are worried about playoffs running into November.
Another good option to make sure that if we introduce BYEs there aren’t too many off days: 7 teams per league (Top 2 from each division, 1 wildcard team). All 3 division winners get BYEs, the other three 2nd place in division teams and the 1 wildcard team play 1 game wildcard games with one travel day in between and after, until there is one winner. That winner goes in the mix for the 3 division winners and the standard 4 team playoff format from there.
The above would give teams an incentive to win the division, and the BYE would only be 5 days total (1 day break after season ends, wildcard teams game 1, travel day, wildcard winners game 2, off day before division series).
mgomrjsurf
Dh and Pitcher in each Lineup. They would be just combining like Central Division but Pittsburgh joins Phils,Nats and Baltimore and like Kansas City,St. Louis with both Texas Teams and Rockies. Also Detroit with both Ohio teams,
TalkSomeSense
Top 2 in each division would only let an extra team from a weak division in. That would work with 2 division per league not the 3 currently.
whyhayzee
This year wasn’t bad with the 5 teams. I think winning your division needs to be highly valued and with the one game play-in for teams 4 and 5, the winner didn’t get too hamstrung for the next round.
There is a division strength cost though. The Yankees, Red Sox, Rays and Jays beat each other down and likely had less of a chance to win. But then the White Sox disappeared without a trace.
I think the 6th team complicates matters a bit and I don’t know if it makes it any better. 7 teams seems absurd. I thought 5 worked fine.
Yankee Clipper
Agreed, 7 is way too much. Although, I’d like to keep playoffs conventional; I’m not a fan of expansion. We are losing the game in its profit.
whyhayzee
I find it unfortunate that they keep changing the game for the worse yet make more money.
baseballfan90
This whole “pick your opponent” idea really needs to be scrapped.
Patrick OKennedy
Yeah, that’s too Manfredian
PikeParker
It’s for all the wrong reasons, but I LOVE the “pick your opponent” idea. When their team gets bounced by the wild card team they chose to face while their divisional rival stomps the everloving crap out of a “more difficult” wild card opponent, fans will absolutely lose it. It’ll be great!
Peart of the game
A 12 team playoffs would be a small increase, greatly rewarding the top two teams in each league with a first round bye and incentivises teams to get #1 or #2. Making the wild card round (#3 vs #6 and #4 vs #5) a best of three series would give teams more playoff revenue and would make it more equitable for wild card teams while punishing the #3 team more for having the worst record for a division winning team. I’m all for getting rid of the two way player rule in addition to adding a pre-tacked baseball, slightly wider bases, a league wide DH as well.
WhoNoze
So, it would be possible for a team to have 9 players who hit only and 8 who field only. Football already has that audience.
Yep it is
Manfraud driving the bus Tony the navigator. Neither are smart enough to do either. Here come the cliff.
WhoNoze
Future Hall of Famers
creacher
With 12 teams I’d like the format to go as follows: the two lowest WC teams face off in a 1 game playoff. Winner of that game plays the highest WC team in either a winner take all game or a stage series (akin to soccer). In the stage scenario if the lower WC team wins the first game, there is a second WC game, and that winner goes onto the DS. The WC team that made it out of the WC rounds plays the division winner with the best record
Cleon Jones
MLB should use baseballs with super ball cores, and aluminum bats. That would create some excitement!
WhoNoze
…and eliminate the need for defense but great for job creation in Costa Rica.
Patrick OKennedy
Expanded playoffs are almost certain to happen.
It is the one item that the owners want more than anything else in the CBA talks, and it’s purely because of money. A LOT of money. ESPN has already cut from about 100 regular season games per year to about 30 games a year, but they’re standing by waiting for expanded playoffs to pick up the extra round.
As it stands, their contract with MLB will be $150 million less than the current deal. With expanded playoffs, MLB will make more rather than less on the new contract. And they’re already getting a jump of 39 percent revenue from Fox and 65 percent from Turner.
Players will eventually give the owners expanded playoffs, but only when they get the economic concessions that they’re looking for in the form of higher CBT thresholds and higher minimum salary. So far, the owners are offering paltry increases in those areas despite huge windfalls in revenue. Just follow the money.
WhoNoze
H O C K E Y B A L L
bcjd
Instead of w/l record, the should be seeded by run differential, ignoring divisions and wild cards. That way every run of every game counts, and the season stays competitive even for the best teams until the last week or so. Unlike games per season, there’s an unlimited number of runs to be scored. If the best team’s run differential is 30-runs better than the second best team, they could still get passed in just two nights (or one exceptionally high-scoring night).
It also has the advantage that blowout games are still competitive through the ninth inning, because even if you’re losing 15-0, if you can stop the bleeding and score a few, those runs will count to your seasonal record. No more putting in the scrubs and mop up crew because it’s worse to lose 15-0 than to lose 15-5.
Lastly, no more extra innings. Everyone packs up and goes home after nine, even if the score is tied, because w/l doesn’t matter. At the end of the night, add the runs to the seasonal total and go home.
Nobody ever likes this idea but me. But there you have it.
Cleon Jones
I find your idea intriguing. My gut reaction is liking it.
Even wonder abt calculating runs. If MLB could update things, so that each team is awarded fractional runs for baserunners: .25 run for each runner that reaches 1st, .5 for 2nd, .75 for 3rd, 1 for home. Puts a premium on OnBase skills and moving runners up.
Sherm623
It is intriguing but I’d think a point system like hockey employs would be needed.
How about bonus points for margin of victory? Teams would be fighting for every run, all game, regardless of score – and you sure wouldn’t see position players pitching.
Hey, while we’re making up new stuff…how about when teams are mathematically eliminated they are out. Go home. No more games or revenue for you. Would require some thought about how to execute that but every stretch game should be more meaningful because the bad teams would be gone.
While we’re changing baseball, I have another idea. Since Manfred is obsessed with speeding things up? Why do we have to watch the manager slog onto the field for pitching changes? Yell to the ump, “hey, 48 is coming in to pitch” and the ump waves in the P and waves off the old one. Saves time, right?
pepenas34
In the short term expanded playoffs will generate more revenue, but the cost in the long run will be grater, the regular season will be pointless and owners will have less reasons to spend on the elite players.
Im not sure getting by for the best teams it’s a reward, the teams with the better momentum at the end of the season are the ones with better chances in playoffs . baseball its not like other sports where the better teams often wins, in baseball you need a bigger sample size.
MartialArtisan
No more A.L., N.L. just one MLB. Universal DH. Realign to 6 Divisions, 5 teams per. Play a 150 game season. Have the 6 Division winners plus one wildcard from each Division ( the Division runner-up) make the playoffs. A total of 12 teams. The Wildcard round is a 3 game series between each Division winner and the 2nd place team, with both or all 3 games played at the home of the Division winner. Next, the Division round is a 5 game series with the highest remaining seeds having home field advantage and playing the lowest seeds. Then, the 3 remaining teams are all declared champions and all teams get participation trophies.
taesamlee
They should do a five team playoff single elmination to determine for the order of the top five pick draft order.
14 team seems too many for a 162 game regular season. Do 12 max. No point in having 162 games if half the teams make the playoffs
bpskelly
I liked the Covid-19 seasons set up where the top division teams had byes and the other had to play each other in a 2 outta 3 series. To me, it eliminates the fluffiness with a one games spot.
Do 3 division winners and 3 wild cards — with top 2 teams getting byes and the other 4 playing in 3 game series.
If and when expansion happens (first the A’s and Tampa need to be sorted out) you go to 4 division winners and 2 wild cards and your back to the same thing.
genre99
In 2020, the top teams in each league were not granted a bye; they had to go through the wildcard round with the rest.
The Dodgers faced Milwaukee, SD, then the Braves, before facing Tampa in the WS— and that fact is a good reply to anyone that would say the championship was less meaningful than any other year.
48-team MLB
Having to win one extra best-of-three series in the postseason doesn’t make up for having the season shortened by 102 games and having the postseason played at neutral sites with basically no fans.
pepenas34
regular season is meaningless when you have more than half teams making the postseason, and having to play in a neutral site just doesn’t help any team with home field advantage, your arguments are not valid.
Pads Fans
Gate revenue is less than 20% of the total revenue brought in for playoff games. TV makes up nearly 80%. Giving players a small cut just of the gate receipts is a joke and that is why the MLBPA has said no. This is not brain surgery. Stop being greedy owners and give the players what they deserve, half of the gross revenue.
SteamingGrogans
My head hurts. Saw some interesting ideas. Just have to find the right balance. Keep the 7 inn DH idea if more games involved?
Players also aren’t so excited anymore about playoff payoffs. Many moons ago, these shares could double a guys salary. That’s Long Gone. Owners want to make more. Fine. Guess sweeten the player pots too. That should straight forward?
Even with all the talk, can we agree expansion to help is pushing things. Ummm maybe let’s figure out Oakland and TB attendance problems first? Tha helps everyone.
LV…maybe As need to move there first. TB should play half their games in TB and half in Montreal. Just a thought.
But this might be for another thread
slideskip
4 teams per league, no reason any league should let almost half the teams make the playoffs.
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Six teams per league is the absolute most I would go with.
48-team MLB
They’re so focused on the postseason. We could solve the tanking problem by eliminating one team from every division during Spring Training. Have a round robin for every division in March and eliminate the six last place teams from playing in the regular season. That way you have to at least try to win from the first day of Spring Training or have your entire season taken away from you.
bcjd
One idea is for the two worst MLB teams every year to get demoted to AAA, and the two best AAA teams promoted to MLB. It messes up the farm system, and many of not most AAA teams don’t have the park and facilities and resources to host an MLB season, but it could be built up over time.
Cardsfanatik redux
Are you Rob Manfreds son? Worst idea I’ve seen yet.
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Here’s another thought…since they clearly want to change the sport entirely anyway. Have “checkpoints” after every 40 games. Any team with fewer than 20 wins is eliminated after 40 games. Then any team with fewer than 40 wins is eliminated after 80 games and any team with fewer than 60 wins is eliminated after 120 games. Basically, you have to be at .500 or better for every checkpoint or your season is over.
wbranger
No
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Obviously the checkpoints and Spring Training round robin ideas are jokes but they’re honestly no more absurd than some of the garbage they’ve been proposing.
lumber and lighting
Start spring training early and begin the season March 16.Expand the playoffs and play 162 gms and end in October.Put extra tv money into the retirement fund.Players will surely agree to the added format.
genre99
Unfortunately, the owners don’t care about determining which team is best, they just want more playoff games for TV revenue.
Baseball is a unique game with a lot of losses, even for the best teams, and it takes a long season for the cream to rise to the top. The expanding playoffs are an insult to the 162.
wbranger
Not an insult if done correctly. The three division winners plus one team from a pool of single elimination wildcard teams (4) for each league. More teams in playoff race adds more interest down the stretch. I don’t like the idea of teams picking who they play. The division winner with best record should play the wildcard winner in first round. This allows the playoffs to keep moving as division winners with second and third best record can start their series the day after wildcard play-in is over.
wbranger
What if there is a 4 team wildcard, single elimination play-in bracket to meet up with the three division winners in each league. Takes 2 days to complete, adds more teams for some excitement. Who cares if one .500 non-division winning team gets to the final 4 in each league? Adds more excitement down the stretch.
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I’m not a big fan of single elimination but this would at least keep the incentive for winning your division.
48-team MLB
How about this? We make wild card seeding matter. Here’s how it goes…
There are four wild cards in each league. The better your seed, the more chances you get. All you have to do is win one game to advance to the next day.
#4 plays #5. Winner advances to Day 2.
Loser of 4/5 matchup plays #6. Winner advances to Day 2.
Loser of second game plays #7. Winner advances to Day 2. Loser is eliminated.
Then you have this same format for two more days but obviously you’ll have one fewer team each day. It would only take three days and the better seeds get more chances. If you don’t want to get stuck playing multiple games in a day then you have to win quickly.
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This will sum it up much more simply…
For Day 1…
#4 and #5 get three chances (if necessary) to win one game
#6 gets two chances (if necessary) to win one game
#7 only gets one chance to win one game
wbranger
That’s creative
etex211
More teams in the playoffs means more playoff checks for more players. I don’t understand how the union can be against that.
Pads Fans
Playoff games compensation is a 30% pool that is paid on GATE Revenue. Less than 20% of total playoff revenue is gate revenue. What you are saying is that players should be happy with getting a small percentage of what is the smallest piece of the revenue while the owners get what amounts to 90+% of the total revenue from the playoffs? How is that fair? Why in the world would the players be happy with that?
JerryBird
To me, the number of teams and number of playoff rounds is unimportant. This is just filler for people to talk about. This time of year, baseball is always boring. They need to have something in the off season to keep fan interest going. They probably already have the plan in place for future playoffs, just waiting for the right time to announce it.
Settle the real issue. Service time.
Pads Fans
That is not the real issue. Revenue inequity between the players and the owners is the real issue. total MLB revenue was over $12 billion and players made a smidge over $4 billion. The system is broken.
hyraxwithaflamethrower
I don’t like expanded playoffs. One of the things I’ve always liked about baseball is how difficult it is to make the playoffs. Going there means something, unlike the NBA. That said, if they are going to do it, I’m a big fan of top teams picking their opponent. I know the Braves ended up winning it all, but does anyone believe the Giants would have chosen to face the Dodgers in the divisional series if they could’ve faced the Brewers or Braves instead?
Pads Fans
It would also make for some great bulletin board material.
stevenlhume
I agree that it waters down the payoffs but it is still a grind to get in. I have been torn on this for so long but when I look back and see that half the league has mailed it in by July that is just as bad. Smaller playoffs worked when we had 20 teams in the league. 30 teams now, needs to go to 32! more teams in the race means more fan tuning in for the whole season and in the end the cream will rise to the top. It would also force teams to build more playoff geared teams rather than regular season endurance teams. You still have the race for the top seed, the race to get a top 4 seed and a race to get in. All that being said, there needs to be a rich playoff pay structure as well. Incentive laced player contracts for the postseason, MLB owes Randy A a fortune for what he has done these last few postseason.
tidybowlman
The talent is getting significantly watered down because of the amount of teams. They have to stop adding and put that money toward the minor leagues to catch the attention of all the small towns that love college football.
stevenlhume
I do not agree that the talent is watered down, The game is international, the youth programs in the states are crazy, and I am sorry but there is 20 times the talent than has ever been. The game has become a game of specialist. Teams play with the service time, and while to some level the minors have their place you cannot pine for times gone by. The world has changed and people are not going to go to sporting events like they did 25 years ago. No more packed high school gyms for Friday night basketball, no more Father and son at a AA game with a score book, pack of cards, and a sharpie. Sure we all miss those days but the game must adapt and people will tune in for a 3 game series.
to4
If they do the best team record bye thing, it’ll likely look like Yahoo Fantasy Baseball !
7 teams making the post plus 3 division winners in each league, makes up for 20 Combine !
That’s a bit too much but at the same time, it could help regulate players contracts as teams won’t required to sign players to mega deals to be competitive. You could get an 80 W or less a season and make the WC !
Very interesting what’s going on right now !
stevenlhume
I think you are wrong, 7 teams total, 3 division winners and 4 wildcards. Not 20 total teams,
wbranger
Correct
thats it fort pitt
“As for fans, playoff expansion seems largely to be a matter of aesthetic preference” is an incorrect statement. The correct statement is, “As for fans, as long as they keep paying, they don’t matter.”
Comet
Why not make the wild card a 3 game series but have the opening game(s) as a double header; with the team with a better record home team for game 1/2, and if it goes to game 3 the final game is played at the other teams field?
LordD99
Expanded playoffs and an international draft are very important for the owners, so the MLBPA needs to extract a high price before agreeing to them. They can’t change everything at once, so they need to pick a few important areas to focus on and get concessions from the owners.
oscar gamble
Owners and players should split the playoff TV revenue and then the players would have more incentive to agree.
joew
one wild card 3 game series, but split the money between MLB, direct payments to players, MLBPA benefit fund, MiLB benefits (housing, food, etc) in addition to the franchise efforts and various baseball charities around the world
rangerfan4ever
Expanded playoffs or not, being able to choose your opponent is the dumbest idea ever
slider32
Baseball is healthy, teams that were once contenders are now at the bottom. I remember the Orioles in the 60’s, four 20 game winners. I Rays beat the giants this year, and have a small budget. There seems to be new teams in the playoffs every year.. Players and owners are making a lot of money, I don’t see them screwing it up.
tidybowlman
This is disgusting. MLB is so incredibly detached from why people enjoy the sport. The reason it’s having trouble attracting younger audiences is because they’re not promoting the parts of the sport that make it interesting. How do you expect a new generation to fall in love with the game when the elements that originally made people appreciate it are fading?
The more exclusive playoff system and longer regular season is a great thing that separates baseball from other sports. You can’t play 162 games and then have a college football style tournament as if they never happened. Caving in to people who criticize the long season and only judge the entertainment by the rush of winner-take-all games, is catering to people who don’t like your game to begin with. It’s like trying to seek approval from people who aren’t into you while neglecting those who actually want you. You ultimately end up unappealing & disingenuous to everyone.
It’s also not a game where every team matters to everyone in the country, but that doesn’t inherently make it limited to it being a regional sport. Minor league baseball is supposed to exist in tons of small towns; that’s what attaches together the areas of the country without major league teams.
If they properly fund the minor leagues and promote it like college football,that will ultimately benefit the major leagues.
Messing with the rules, diluting the playoff system, crushing the minors and corrupting the integrity of the actual performance does nothing more than diminish something valuable.
Thornton Mellon
Agree on your points with the minors. A single A guy can make (for example) something like $21,000. That’s 10 bucks an hour for someone who has a full time office job, and that’s peanuts for ownership. AAA guys maybe 3x this.
But leaving some tradition behind is good. When the 1984 Tigers started 35-5, the other 6 teams in the AL East had nothing to play for by Memorial Day. Teams like the 1993 Giants or 1980 Orioles should not miss the playoffs. Take away divisions and go to a conference format (reduces travel too), and teams within 10 games of .500 into August are still in the hunt for a playoff spot. I made more points below.
zappaforprez
Talk about killing any importance of the entire regular season. Teams will know if they’re in likely by the all-star break and half ass it the rest of the way. It’ll be reason #200 why new people don’t watch baseball.
stevenlhume
not really, 3 games all at home vs 3 on the road! 1 seed gets a bye! It does not kill the drive it just brings more teams to road.
matthew767676
10 teams now feels like a good number. 14 starts to feel like too many. So maybe 12 is the way to go? I dont feel too strongly about it though.
Thornton Mellon
With so many playoff teams, why have divisions at all? Just to try and force a rivalry? To have an 85 win team win a division while a 97 win 2nd place team sits out? May as well go with an eastern and western conference format to reduce travel, top 6 or 7 seeds based on record in each conference advance to playoffs.
I miss pre wild card baseball as much as the next guy but who needs a 100 win team missing the playoffs? It is time for baseball to enter the 21st century and leave some tradition behind for the sake of securing its future. The people who saw Mantle play aren’t going to be buying playoff tickets in 2040.
– Universal DH. Outside of Ohtani, watching the pitcher bat is like expecting the punter to tackle or the NHL goalie to participate in a shootout
– HARD salary cap and at the same time, a HARD salary floor at 2/3 of the cap. If that makes the ownership of the Marlins, Pirates, and Orioles cringe, SELL YOUR TEAM to someone willing to compete. Use NBA revenue sharing model to make it happen. Having at least 10-12 teams with zero interest or effort to win is killing the sport more than anything else.
– Bring back traditional scheduled double headers. 2 for 1’s. Each team has 1 per month and is allowed to bring up another pitcher for them without impacting roster limits, salary cap or options. Turn those into an event for fans.
– The conference format and doubleheaders inserted into the schedule should ensure Opening Day is the first Monday of April and the World Series always ends in October. That tradition is worth it. No reason for snow outs in March in Cleveland and Detroit or to watch baseball when it gets dark at 5PM.
– The all-star game was created back in a time when no one could see the league’s stars play. Now anyone can see any game any time they want. Name an all-star team at the end of the season but there’s no reason to take the break, extra travel, play the game, etc. (same goes for NHL, NBA, and whatever it is the NFL still does with the pro bowl that no one cares about)
MartialArtisan
Thornton Mellon, seriously well thought out ideas.
Skeptical
Universal DH? In 2019, AL clubs scored 0.1 runs more per game than NL clubs. AL clubs had a collective batting average .002 higher than NL clubs. Wow, that is a lot of additional offense.
In 2019, the batting average for DHs was .236. There are pitchers not named Ohtani who have higher career batting averages, not to mention all the pitchers who can run the bases better than many DHs.
I have no trouble watching pitchers bat.
wbranger
Pitchers do not need to bat. It is a joke in most cases.
slider32
I say rotate the World Series in a neutral site every year like the Super Bowl , then it does not mater when it is played.
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NO NEUTRAL SITES. EVER…unless it’s a showcase for potential expansion franchises to earn their spot in the league. You don’t just get awarded a team. You have to place well enough in an expansion team tournament to be chosen as one of the new franchises.
reebop989
Expanded playoffs? We’ll be watching the World Series and eating the leftovers from Thanksgiving dinner.
swishndishdontmiss
lol and in 20 years baseball will be in essence a participation trophy sport … nearly everyone gets in to the plays offs so they all get to pat themselves on the back for being a “contender” which for a lot of teams is enough to be considered a success so regular season doesn’t matter ( the regular season will be like an nba regular season.. the good teams barely try because they are a shoe in the mediocre teams skate in and the only teams left out are abysmal beyond belief so it’s not worth watching it’s just stat padding ) .. cut the season to 81 like hockey and basketball and have 81 playoff games lol
Darthyen
I hate the Wild card BS one and done garbage and baseball knows it’s time to say goodbye to it.. They need to go to a 16 team playoff where they are ranked based on record (division winners still get in but are not seeded 1,2,3) Having teams ranked by record makes them want to keep playing for a better record especially if teams 1,2,3 pick their opponent. Maybe if possible allow teams 1,2,3 to pick there playoff format (assuming best of 5) 2-2-1 or 2-3 or 1-2-2, or 1-2-1-1. This also it allows teams to start at home or on the road which could be interesting in a 1-2-1-1 matchup.
For those that think this waters it down I disagree as it does the opposite. More teams wanting to compete and get one of the top three spots that are normally blocked by division winners. Some teams will still want to win the division just to get in to the playoffs but being seed 8 may not be as great as in a traditional 16 team playoff. Having all the choices as a 1,2 or 3 makes those spots to important to not want to go for. Better than just a bye and get stuck playing a hot team while you cool off waiting like in a 14 team playoff.
wbranger
With that many teams (16) you might as well have a regular season champion and call it an end of season tournament champion. Too many teams.
iml12
More teams means more eyes watching in August and September. I know when my teams out of playoff contention my viewership goes way down. If they have a chance at the playoffs I am watching everyday. It would be great for the sport. I don’t think anyone outside of Atlanta thought they were the best team in baseball but they won with the current system. Adding more teams will add more money, more viewership and probably more fans long term.
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16 teams would be horrendous. It would be better to have no postseason at all and just have 30 teams all play in one league (no NL or AL) and call the team with the best record out of all 30 the champs.
Hexbreaker
16 teams? More than half?
You’d have at least a couple of under .500 teams making the post-season.
What’s the point of playing all those games?
DarkSide830
its funny how people complain about the games mattering less yet would say there should be less teams then there are already and you dont sew anyone really coasting in September like they claim would end up being the case.
Sky14
I think they should overhaul the season/playoff format altogether. What would be exciting is an 81 game season, which determines seeding for a divisional playoff. Every team plays a 5 game set with every team in the division. The division winner moves on to playoff with other division winners to determine the champion. Think this would be more exciting than a long season then a long playoff by breaking the season into 3 parts and emphasizing divisional rivalries.
tigerdoc616
Playoffs will expand because there is money in it. People watch, TV will pay because people watch. Even though the start times are late and the games go on well past a sane bedtime, there are enough eyes on the TV sets to make it profitable for baseball.
The big question is what are the owners willing to give the players for that, since playoff money isn’t shared.
progers2622
Just let the big spenders keep running the league. They end up buying up all the top players. Payroll is a big reason in the watered down comp. get rid of inter league play and go back to the days when baseball was good. Made it special to see the World Series
seanmc1983
Split the difference and go with a 6-team format. None of this is rocket science, it’s just reasonable compromise. If this drags on past January, the league will take a serious hit in public opinion and start to shed fans like it did in ‘94. MLB is already struggling to capture the attention of younger viewers, and an extended stoppage that’s bogged down in negotiation minutiae isn’t going to help that.
Old York
If you’re going to make the regular season and playoffs matter, go back to the top team in the AL vs. the top team in the NL. Otherwise, why bother playing the regular season? Just make the regular season shorter and turn it into a longer playoff.
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Or this…have the last place team in each division spend the next season playing in one of Alaska, Yukon or the Northwest Territories. They will draw out of a hat to determine which location they go to. There will be no domes so you’ll have to finish fourth or better to avoid playing in arctic temperatures the next year.
Old York
I would prefer a regulatory system where the team that finishes last goes down to a lower level and the remaining 4 teams have a playoff to determine the second team to be sent down.
slider32
Sounds like soccer to me, the modern recipe is a 14 team playoff, everything else is out dated.
Sadface
If they really want to be fair. There should be no divisions and every team should play the other teams the same amount of times. The best 8 teams make the playoffs no bye week for the best division winners or team with the best record. So an NBA style playoffs only shorter. So the Yankees could play the Red Sox in the finals or if they still want to call it World Series or Giants and Cardinals all kinds of possibilities. Not just Al vs Nl.
slider32
Baseball needs to add 2 teams, and have a balanced schedule. No inter league play! That would give a true champion.
Sadface
Also every playoff series will be best of 7. Meaning even a first round loser will be guaranteed 4 games of revenue. Now a championship winner has to win 11 of a possible 19. With this format 12 out of 21. But the owners wouldn’t go for it less games overall but I think the games would mean more and more of the fans would believe that their team actually had a chance instead of being stuck in a division like the Al East where it’s almost always Yanks or Sox and sometimes Rays.
Sadface
Fans of the Red Sox might enjoy seeing them play the Yankees 19 times a year. But fans of MLB as a whole find it boring there should be more games with the other divisions. That is why I think MLB needs to get rid of divisions. I know it really benefited my team the Braves this year, but in the long term would be better for all the teams.
48-team MLB
They don’t need to get rid of divisions. They just need the schedule to be a little more balanced. Instead of 76 games against your division rivals and 66 combined against the other 10 teams in your league (plus 20 interleague), it could go like this…
13 against each division rival (13×4 = 52)
9 against the other 10 teams in your league (9×10 = 90)
That’s 142 games in your own league, which still leaves 20 interleague games. That’s assuming there’s no expansion obviously.
TellItGoodbye
Let’s just expand it to 15 teams from each league. The top team in each league gets a BYE, then we have 7 best-of-9 playoffs. The remaining 8 teams play 4 best-of-25 game playoffs. The remaining 4 teams play 2 best-of-45 game playoffs. The World Series will be a best of 75 game series, which should take us to Opening Day. Each player gets one billion dollars per game so they can “take care of their family” and “secure their future”.
Hexbreaker
@TellItGoodbye
You’re out of your mind.
Hexbreaker
For starters, let’s go back to a 154 game season.
One of many stupid ideas MLB has had in its history is adding 8 games just because they added a couple of teams.
First year they go to 162, all hell breaks loose when Maris breaks Ruth’s HR record. Idiots can’t get out of their own way.
Astericks abound!!
mlbfan
I vote for 6 teams in each league. Best of 3 series in the first round all at the team with the better record’s home field. Then best of 7 in the second round with 5 games at the first round bye team’s field. 3-2-2 format. The first 3 games at the top seeds home field.
The third round will be the same.
Have 4 double headers scheduled during the season. This will satisfy people interested in per season records.
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None of this will work without the New Orleans Gators franchise being added.
Will Dodge
Im curious how a 12 team playoff would be structured. I hope its not just add a wild card and format like the old NFL playoff structure because I really like having the opening round be wild card teams only. Don’t really know how any other format works though..
The Saber-toothed Superfife
A CLEAR AND CONCISE – NO – TO ALL OF IT!
Universal DH? – No! What happened to celebrating our differences? There are TWO DIFFERENT LEAGUES, the rules should be different. It is part of.the history, what makes it special. Ohtani has PROVED, there is forgotten and untapped value in that difference. There strategies and types of players required are unique and special.
Auto ump? – an astounding big H – NO! Ragging the ump is an integral part of the game – SINCE THE VERY FIRST GAME! Anyone who really loves and knows the game doesn’t need to be asked. The idea is idiotic.
Expanded playoffs? – No. It’s good the way it is. What needs to be fixed first is the draft order to resurrect competition. How about a lottery? Line the leagues up by winning percentage, bottom 3 from each league get lotto’ed 2 at a time into their draft order; then replaced with one from each league. No one is guaranteed top draft pick for tanking.
Floor? The league minimum is the floor.
Ceiling? Increase the tax. Stop big markets from outspending the smaller guys. That is/was the original purpose.
Pay? – I like David Price. The pay for the AVERAGE DRAFTEE needs to be addressed first, not just the big money signers! Those guys give up a huge chunk of their lives, do not pursue other options in life- give it all up – just for a shot- a chance at the big leagues. They shouldn’t end up with just break even.
This is not nfl, nba high action sports. This is relaxing afternoon or evening at the ballpark.
Maybe baseball has something to teach just the way it is.
Andy 51
It’s never made sense to me that after 162 games you could be eliminated in a best of 3 series (separate from one and done wildcard) I hope among the changes MLB goes with best of 7 throughout and cap post season berths to 12 teams. Shorten season by a week would address season running to late
48-team MLB
It’s never been a best-of-three series aside from 2020 and tie-breakers before divisional play. The Division Series has always been a best-of-five and the LCS was a best-of-five to start with before going to a best-of-seven in 1985.