Carlos Rodon had one of the best seasons, on a per-inning basis, of any starter in recent memory. He also had one of the strangest, however, as his velocity and workload plummeted among shoulder concerns in a still-productive final two months of the season.
As late into the season as July 18, Rodon had to be considered the odds-on favorite to win the American League Cy Young Award — a remarkable turnaround for a former top prospect who’d had Tommy John surgery and shoulder surgery, been non-tendered and then returned to his original club on a one-year, $3MM “prove-it” deal.
Prove it, Rodon did — for much of the season. Rodon no-hit Cleveland in his second start of the season and, as of that aforementioned July 18 date, was sporting a ridiculous 2.14 ERA with a dominant 36.6% strikeout rate against an excellent 6.8% walk rate. The 96 mph he was averaging on his heater through that date was far and away the best mark of his career, and Rodon’s 15.5% swinging-strike rate placed him alongside the game’s elite starters. Simply put, he was dominant. Rodon at last looked like the No. 1 starter Sox for which Sox fans hoped when he was selected with the No. 3 overall draft pick in 2014.
A July 18 gem against a potent Astros lineup — seven shutout, one-hit innings with 10 punchouts and no walks — proved to be the last time he’d throw more than five innings in 2021, however. Rodon lasted just four frames and allowed four runs in each of his next two starts. He rebounded to overwhelm a stripped-down Cubs lineup that had traded away virtually every hitter of note, tossing five shutout innings with 11 strikeouts on Aug. 7.
Rodon then hit the injured list with shoulder fatigue, returned on Aug. 26, and went on to make only five starts over the regular season’s final 39 days. He reached 80 pitches in just one of those five starts, and his fastball sat at a greatly diminished 93.2 mph in that time. Rodon was still effective in that time (2.35 ERA in 23 innings), but his strikeout rate was down to 27.2% as well — still strong, but no longer elite.
Heading into the White Sox’ ALDS date with Houston, it was unclear whether Rodon would even be an option at all. There was some question as to whether he’d even be on the roster, but he was deemed good to go for what proved to be the decisive Game 4 of that series. Rodon came out with a revitalized fastball that was hitting the upper 90s, but he also last just 2 2/3 innings in a 56-pitch losing effort that ended Chicago’s year. Credit to Rodon for gutting it out if he was less than 100 percent, but it was obviously a suboptimal finish to what had looked to be a legitimate breakout campaign for the lefty.
As the offseason dawned, most expected the White Sox to extend a one-year qualifying offer to Rodon. That $18.4MM salary would’ve represented a massive jump from the $3MM he earned in 2021, but based on his performance, that rate of pay still represented a bargain. Instead, the Sox opted not to make the QO, allowing Rodon to become a free agent without the burden of draft compensation. That led to speculation about his health or a possible gentleman’s agreement with the front office; no one other than the Chicago front office, Rodon and agent Scott Boras can be 100 percent certain as to the reasons for the lack of a QO, but it now makes Rodon one of the most intriguing free agents on the market.
Rodon turned 29 just last week. He’s coming off a season that, even though it ended on a low note, saw him post a 2.37 ERA with a 34.6% strikeout rate and a 6.7% walk rate. Among pitchers with at least 100 innings thrown, only NL Cy Young winner Corbin Burnes had a higher strikeout percentage. Only Burnes and Max Scherzer posted larger strikeout-to-walk percentage differentials than Rodon’s 27.9%. Rodon also ranked among the 10 best pitchers in MLB with a 15% swinging-strike rate and a 70.3% opponents’ contact rate (again, min. 100 innings).
It was a true ace-level performance, but also a level that Rodon had never before reached. Between the one-off nature of this year’s dominance and the obvious concerns about his shoulder, workload and velocity late in the season, there’s some real risk with Rodon.
On our Top 50 free agent rankings, we suggested that Rodon would likely have to choose between a one-year deal with a large salary or maxing out on a multi-year deal that’s probably shorter than most top-tier starters would command — perhaps three years. Our ultimate prediction was a one-year deal at $25MM, though we also discussed three-year deals worth $20MM annually — perhaps even a bit more.
Boras has already made clear this winter that Rodon is seeking a multi-year deal, so while it’s possible he signs for one year after not finding any longer-term deals to his liking, the thought right now has to be that he’ll sign for two or three seasons. As is increasingly common among high-profile free agents, opt-out clauses could factor into the mix.
There are still plenty of teams that need rotation help, and the fact that Rodon isn’t likely to cross into that $100MM range that’s expected of other Cy Young-caliber peers ought to make him appealing to a wide portion of the league.
We obviously can’t know where Rodon will land until the ongoing lockout is lifted, but it’s still worth taking a look at his potential market based on the context we already have. The goal here will be to identify some of the best and most plausible fits for Rodon, and there’s at least a handful of teams we know we can eliminate right off the bat.
The Orioles and Pirates, for instance, are mired in lengthy rebuilding efforts and won’t spend at this level. Ditto the A’s, who are expected to cut payroll and trade away several core players. Neither the D-backs nor the Nats have publicly committed to a full rebuild, but it seems unlikely that Rodon will land in either spot as both are more focused on the long-term than improving in 2022.
A Miami homecoming is hard to picture, given the Marlins’ generally low payrolls, pitching-rich roster and stated needs in the outfield. The Brewers are already pushing a franchise-record payroll and have three ace-caliber arms atop the staff. The Reds have been cutting payroll and are open to trading their top starters away; a Rodon match doesn’t really align with that. The Guardians are built around affordable young pitching, have needs in the lineup and have never spent like this on a free-agent arm. Tampa Bay already signed Corey Kluber and has never committed more than $30MM to a free-agent pitcher.
A.J. Preller may make me rue not taking my usual “never say never” approach to the Padres, but San Diego is already deep in relatively pricey starters and is actively trying to shed some contracts (Eric Hosmer, Wil Myers) to address the lineup. Houston is at least seven deep in starters after re-signing Justin Verlander, and adding a pricey eighth option seems unlikely. The Cardinals already signed Steven Matz and now have a pretty established top five; further rotation additions seem likelier to be of the depth variety. The Phils have an established top four and have much larger needs in the outfield and infield.That’s a quick look at which clubs feel decidedly unlikely to sign Rodon, but let’s talk some teams that could at least plausibly make this work:
That’s a quick look at which clubs feel decidedly unlikely to sign Rodon, but let’s run through some more plausible clubs, team-by-team, before trying to pick out a few of the best possible fits for the lefty:
- Angels: Signing Noah Syndergaard and rolling the dice on Michael Lorenzen was a good start to bolstering the rotation, but the Angels could use another high-upside option, given the number of question marks up and down the current staff. You could argue that they need to focus on more certainty, but with enough high-risk upside plays, they could navigate a full season even as injuries arise. The Halos haven’t given multiple years to a free-agent starter since 2012, but if Rodon’s market tops out at three years, that’d be fewer seasons than they just committed to closer Raisel Iglesias.
- Blue Jays: Toronto lost both Robbie Ray and Steven Matz in free agency, and they’ve since signed Kevin Gausman. Adding another bat and some bullpen help seems likelier than another high-priced starter, but it’s hard not to be tempted by the thought of a rotation featuring Gausman, Rodon, Hyun Jin Ryu, Jose Berrios and Alek Manoah. The Jays could probably sign Rodon and still clock in south of their franchise-record $163MM payroll, but another starter may not be their top need.
- Braves: With Mike Soroka out until mid-2022, Atlanta could definitely use another starting pitcher — even after re-upping with Charlie Morton on a $20MM deal. Most of Atlanta’s post-lockout focus will be on re-signing Freddie Freeman. But Rodon fits the type of huge-upside, relatively short-term signings made in Atlanta under Alex Anthopoulos as well. If Freeman shocks everyone and leaves, Atlanta could make some big moves elsewhere on the roster.
- Cubs: It was somewhat surprising to see the Cubs add a pair of notable free agents in Marcus Stroman and Yan Gomes, and those moves at least give cause to stop and wonder whether another big splash might be coming. Patrick Mooney and Sahadev Sharma of The Athletic both feel Rodon won’t be a priority for the Cubs, who entered the offseason hoping to add a pair of slam-dunk rotation options and have done that with Stroman and Wade Miley. Another big-name addition in the rotation doesn’t feel likely, per The Athletic duo, who suggest bullpen additions to be a likelier focus for the Cubs.
- Dodgers: A reasonably short-term, high-priced deal for Rodon feels like something right out of the Dodgers’ playbook. Rodon showed that his upside was as high as any free agent on the market, but the health concerns will tamp down the contract length into L.A.’s preferred range. The Dodgers lost Max Scherzer, they’re not sure what will happen with Trevor Bauer, and Clayton Kershaw ended the year with even greater physical question marks before reaching free agency. On paper, it’s a strong match for a Dodgers club that needs some arms behind Walker Buehler and Julio Urias.
- Giants: As with the Dodgers, a relatively short-term deal with an upside play like Rodon feels right up the Giants’ alley. San Francisco is reportedly believed to be averse to nine-figure free agents, and outside of the now-off-the-market Verlander, Rodon may have the best upside of any pitcher available for under $100MM. The Giants already added three stabilizing pieces to round out the rotation, so there’s plenty of sense to shooting for the moon on a fourth addition.
- Mariners: Seattle already signed the AL Cy Young winner, but we know they’ll still be looking for starting pitching after the lockout is resolved. The M’s have a solid foursome atop the rotation, but Rodon would give them another likely postseason starter as they look to return to the playoffs for the first time in two decades. Adding an impact bat could be higher on the list of priorities for president of baseball ops Jerry Dipoto, but Seattle’s projected payroll is so low that they could sign both Rodon and one of the top remaining bats on the market while still fitting tens of millions of dollars below a franchise-record level.
- Mets: New York already has its share of injury-prone arms, but it’s abundantly clear by now that owner Steve Cohen is pulling out all the stops as he looks to push the team toward a World Series run. Rodon, Scherzer and a healthy Jacob deGrom has the potential to be a comically dominant trio, and after the Mets topped a quarter-billion in spending prior to the lockout, we shouldn’t assume they’ll slow down when things resume.
- Rangers: Speaking of pre-lockout spending sprees, the Rangers topped a half-billion dollars in total commitments and still have minimal certainty in the rotation. Rodon doesn’t provide the bulk innings Texas could so sorely stand to add, but for a team that’s obviously hell-bent on improving in 2022 and returning to the playoffs before long, Rodon probably can’t be firmly ruled out. Incredibly, their 2022 payroll is still projected to come in nearly $40MM shy of its all-time high.
- Red Sox: This type of short-term upside play seems like one that’d sit well with chief baseball officer Chaim Bloom, but the Sox have also already added Rich Hill, Michael Wacha and James Paxton to the 2022 staff. The Boston rotation is teeming with upside and uncertainty alike, and Rodon would add to it on both fronts. The Sox are also over $200MM in luxury obligations, though, so Rodon could be deemed too pricey even if the luxury threshold increases under the new CBA.
- Rockies: Persuading any pitcher to play in Coors Field is difficult, but the Rockies have money to spend. Rodon’s decision to seek a multi-year deal suggests he’s looking to max out his earning power right now, so if Colorado offers an extra year over what the rest of the field is willing to commit, perhaps they could pull off a stunner.
- Royals: Kansas City’s estimated payroll is only around $86MM right now, so there’s obvious room to fit Rodon into the rotation as a means of taking some pressure off younger arms. They landed a pair of veteran free agents last year by going an extra year over most expectations on Mike Minor and Carlos Santana. Taking that approach with Rodon would be a vastly more expensive proposition, however. The Royals are trying to win now, but this feels like a reach even if they have the need and payroll space.
- Tigers: An on-the-rise team with gobs of payroll space, a deep collection of near-MLB top prospects, a pitcher-friendly home park and plenty of innings available — the Tigers check basically any box you could imagine for Rodon. They’ve already signed Javier Baez and Eduardo Rodriguez, and they’re still looking for another rotation addition. Rodon drastically raises their ceiling and takes pressure of some younger arms like Tarik Skubal and Casey Mize.
- Twins: Minnesota entered the offseason needing at least three starters, and so far they’ve…. rolled the dice on a Dylan Bundy rebound. It’s a fine move in a vacuum, but the Twins’ need for more pitching help is painstakingly obvious. Dan Hayes of The Athletic reported this week that last winter, the Twins tried to get Rodon on a minor league deal before he received that $3MM contract from the South Siders. That said, Hayes adds that Minnesota seems likelier to address its pitching needs via trade and may not be keen on taking a Rodon-sized risk with so many holes on the staff. It’s a good fit on paper, at the very least.
- White Sox: General manager Rick Hahn has said all the right things about wanting Rodon back, but it’s hard to take those statements at face value when Chicago didn’t make him a qualifying offer. The Pale Hose already have five to six starters — though they’d probably welcome the opportunity to shed Dallas Keuchel’s final year — and had the chance to persuade Rodon with that one-year QO. The Daily Herald’s Scot Gregor suggested this week that Rodon isn’t likely to return to the Sox, who are still eyeing help in the outfield and at second base.
- Yankees: The Bombers, in recent years, have favored risky rotation plays for volatile but immensely talented starters in the Rodon mold. Their need at shortstop is the most heavily discussed roster deficiency in the Bronx, but the rotation after Gerrit Cole and Jordan Montgomery is suspect. Domingo German finished horribly. Luis Severino has pitched a combined 18 innings in the past three years. Jameson Taillon had offseason ankle surgery. Prospects Deivi Garcia and Clarke Schmidt struggled and/or missed significant time due to injury.
In the end, any of these teams feels like at least a good theoretical match, but most come with reasons to cast doubt on whether they’d actually sign Rodon. From my vantage point, the best blend of on-paper need, available payroll space and plausible willingness to take this type of risk lies with the Angels, Dodgers, Giants, Mariners, Tigers and Yankees.
Four4fore
Fits most anywhere. But so many teams are playing poor that only a few will spend, so look to same suspects if trying to guess where he will land. I say Red Sox.
chiefnocahoma1
BOS does seem to not mind gambling on recent injury history. I’ll bet you’re right.
Please, Hammer. Don't hurt 'em.
I think the White Sox made a dumb move by not offering the QO. It sounds like he wouldn’t have accepted it anyway so they basically gave away a first round draft pick. That being said, I think these projections for him are off the wall. $25 million for one year? 3 years at $60 million? Those are numbers for a pitcher who is at least guaranteed to be one of the best #2’s in all of baseball. I know Rodon pitched like an ace for much of last season but that was the first time in his career he was even serviceable. Then he finished the season poorly with the worst type of injury (shoulder) any pitcher can have. The QO made sense because the White Sox could have gotten solid draft compensation and even if Boras is lying about Rodon’s intentions of declining, 1 season of Carlos Rodon at $19 million isn’t the worst thing for the team. 3 years at $20 million? That could be terrible. This guy has only put together about three quarters of a good season in his career. He needs a prove it pillow contract and $25 million a year is way above his pay grade. Even guys like Ray, Gausman and Stroman didn’t get that kind of salary and they are all better bets than Rodon. Rodon is in the same injury risk category as Clayton Kershaw without the name or career production history to go along with it.
Samuel
@ Please, Hammer. Don’t hurt ’em.;
Great post.
“Even guys like Ray, Gausman and Stroman didn’t get that kind of salary and they are all better bets than Rodon.”
My thoughts exactly.
Am watching Scott Boras. This may be his most impressive contract signing. Getting 2-3 years guaranteed at a $20m-plus AAV for a guy that had 6 so-so seasons and then a wonderful first half of his 7th before getting injured – again – will cap an already legendary agents career.
Remember, it only takes one desperate owner/ FO head to agree to a contract……..
And why do I keep thinking of the Jays signing of Kirby Yates?
Floridacoach 2
I believe that you’re dead-on… My guess would be a mariners contract at three years/$60M, with a team opt-out after 2 years, for about 8-million .
Boras has neat relationship with the Jays and you might see them getting creative on a three year, plus an option year.
RickEO
Every pitcher is injured
Angry Disgruntled Sox Fan
No way. Chaim Bloom won’t spend the money.
GaryWarriorsRedSox
As mentioned in the article, which is excellent by the way, the Red Sox have already taken a flyer on several injury potential guys. Why add another one and go over the tax even more?
If they’re going to spend, they’re going to spend on a sure thing that they can count on. Not this guy.
PutPeteRoseInTheHall
I’d like to see the Giants make a play here. Still could use more pitching help and I believe Rodon could fit in SF. Thoughts?
dsett75
He’d definitely fit in San Francisco or The Angels. I’d love for Detroit to get him & move the lefty Alexander to the bullpen to replace Holland in that role.
foppert
On board. Hoping for another starter. Reads like he fits the MO.
stymeedone
Avila has an MO that any FA pitcher he signs to a ML contract spends the year on the IL. I don’t believe he can take this risk because of that history. If you want reliable innings and “to take pressure off the young arms”, it would be better to look at Grienke.
tedtheodorelogan
They have to add another starting pitcher. They only have 4, 5 if you count Sammy Long. Beede and Hjelle are the only other starters on the 40 man and they were both terrible in AAA last year. Giants pretty much have to add at least one starter, preferably 2 to the 40 man, and Rodon is the best available.
ltully789
Agreed.
I do wonder why the White Sox didn’t make a QO, and whether that decision may be leading some teams to wonder if the White Sox have “inside” info about his injury status that scared them off.
frankm
Mets make most sense if he healthy
RunDMC
Another high upside porcelain SP….?
Have we ever seen an entire Opening Day rotation on the IL together?
Bill M
Throw 7 porcelain starters against the wall & see which 5 don’t break.
rondon
“If he’s healthy”?? In that case he makes sense for any damn team. The IF is why he’s not already signed.
Dogbone
@ rondon
What you say is all true. But don’t ever discount how cheap Reinsdorf is. And how sneaky he will be, to save a few bucks.
It wouldn’t be beyond his style to NOT offer Rodon a contract because he’d be hoping MLB teams would be scared off. Then Uncle Jerry would scoop in and sign Rodon, at a discounted price. And if that didn’t materialize, then Jerry saves even more money. Ho hum.
dsett75
I’m a Tigers fan and would love Rodon, but he’d fit just about anywhere. I think he’d look good and raise the bar in either San Francisco or the Angels though.
Airo13
Not sure I see the tigers going to a 3 LHP rotation. I want a know what you’re getting type of vet for this young rotation. Hoping they lock Greinke up.
dsett75
They have one now as LH Tyler Alexander would be the 5th if they don’t sign anyone.
francoeurstein
Skubal, too
Jabronie23
No Cardinals?
Dodgers2021 2
I’m surprised too!! They always need pitching.
dsett75
They mentioned (and I quote) “The Cardinals have already signed Matz and have a pretty established starting five.”
someoldguy
let me help: to speak it or write it correctly ” The Twins need 3 top pitchers.. “…. its not the same if you don’t tell the truth that they need top pitching.. An ace or 2 and a Number 2 guy or 2… they have plenty of back of the rotation types.. so saying they need generic pitching is saying they will get more of the same…
WtfMate
Would love to see him stay with the White Sox, but it’ll be him or Kopech. Unless the Sox can get someone to eat Dallas Keuchel’s contract, I just don’t see it happening unfortunately.
hyraxwithaflamethrower
They’d have to eat most of his contract or take on an equally bad one for a position player. Agree that it’s unlikely they move him. Best hope is a rebound to somewhere between his ’20 and ’21 numbers.
dsett75
Hey, they need a 2B!!! Why not trade Kuechel for Cano?! Bad contract for bad contract. Lol, I’m a kidding Tigers fan. I’d like the White Sox to make that deal, obviously.
ChiSox_Fan
I think the White Sox still have a chance.
3 years / $65 mil.
Giolito, Rodon, Lynn, Cease, Kopech
Keuchel to the bullpen.
Dexxter
Seems like a lot for them to spend if they wouldn’t even offer him 1 year at $18.4M.
Seems like a lot for any team to spend after a very very good 1/2 season.
If I’m giving Rodon $65M it better be for 5 years…. Because he’s probably gonna spend 2 of them on the IL.
ChiSox_Fan
Sox wanted him for more years so no QO.
Market may push price to $65 mil but Sox happy to pay less!
Oddvark
This doesn’t make any sense to me. A qualifying offer wouldn’t prevent them from signing him to a multi-year deal, whether he accepted the QO or not. Just ask Jose Abreu.
If Rodon’s market doesn’t develop, maybe they’d sign him for something like 3/42, but no way the Sox are giving him a multi-year deal with an AAV anywhere close to the $18M QO number.
Dorothy_Mantooth
I’m willing to bet that part of the $3M prove-it deal the White Sox signed him to in 2021 included an agreement that they would not tag him with a qualifying offer at the end of the season. Even with his arm fatigue, he was worthy of a QO.
ChiSox_Fan
Oddvark – If Rodon had another great year in 2022… he would command $25 mil per year as 2023 FA.
3 yrs $65 mil or less would be a bargain!
Sox didn’t want him to sign QO. He is young and Sox want to lock him in now for a few years.
Get it?
Dexxter
No.
This still makes no sense.
If they gave him a QO they can still sign him to a long term deal. And it would likely drive down the offers from competing teams that would now have to give up a pick to sign him.
No way they are giving him a higher AAV than the QO for multiple years. Unless they are extremely desperate to have him back at any cost…. and at the same time greatly misjudged his market.
Dexxter
This seems more likely to me for Rodon.
The risk is really high here… so I’m not signing that deal unless the upside is significant. At $20M+ a year for multiple years…. How much upside is there? And what are his chances of realizing it?
ChiSox_Fan
He is a lefty.
Other pitchers are going for $25-$30 mil per year.
PutPeteinthehall
One thing you have wrong- he’s not a young player. Arm wise he’s been sewn, patched, transplanted. You are looking at his birthday but his arm and shoulder have a lengthy history of injury. I was at his masterpiece game July 18th vs the Astros. It was the most dominating pitching performance l’ve ever seen in person. As big of a fan I am of the White Sox I’m also a realist. No way he starts 90 games if you sign him for three years. Gotta believe no QO was a deal between Jerry and Scott pre 2021 season. Rodon has packed his bags. . Good luck to whoever Scott swindles into signing Rodon for three years. He will end up at the back end of a bullpen eventually.
Halo11Fan
The owners have already said they are going to do away with compensation picks. Are people not paying attention?
MLB Top 100 Commenter
I have not heard anything conclusive that such a change would apply to this off-season.
Halo11Fan
No conclusive, but the day of the. Lockout they announced December first the owners offered to do away with the pick.
It’s certainly not worth worrying about. It’s like talking about Ohtani becoming a free agent after next season. It’s pure speculation that the qualifying offer remains.
Dogbone
Sox are ALWAYS happy to pay less. Lol.
Floridacoach 2
If he’s so “worth it” then you pay him out if your pocket – but the fact is HES NOT WORTH $16/M a year right now, much less $18+M… If he’s so confident in his “preparation” and his upcoming 2022 numbers , he should bet on himself like Semien did!!!
dsett75
Tigers get WC if…..
LH-E. Rodriguez
LH-Rodon
RH-Mize
LH-Skubal
RH-Manning
Plus, they take away from the White Sox. So it’s more than a normal signing, imho.
Dustyslambchops23
Nope.
AL wild card is going to be 90+ wins again.
stymeedone
He’s already “away from the White Sox.” Alexander is a more reliable innings eater than Rodon. Plus he’ll be in that rotation spot when Rodon is on the IL anyway.
GarryHarris
DET doesn’t have much of a team around those ultra hyped pitchers yet. The team may improve but their record may not. CLE, MIN and KCR all underperformed inexplicably and DET was only 4 games from the division basement.
FrankEttingChiSox
If the Tigers are going for it they probably imagine their toughest in-division rival to be the White Sox. The White Sox hit LHP really well. Do you really want 3 lefties when the #1 team circled on your schedule hammers left handed pitching?
The Saber-toothed Superfife
But…..we have Kool Aid!
dsett75
Frank, Detroit will have 3 lefties regardless. Tyler Alexander will probably be the 5th going into ST. He’s a lefty, too. I was just talking/hoping with my OP. Realistically, I think the Tigers are still 6-7 games behind the White Sox after getting Barnhart, Baez & E-Rod. As long as their BP is as good as last season. They’re fickle from year to year.
Vizionaire
Angels would need a better starting pitcher than his career numbers indicate. walk year numbers are generally not what angels will get.
HalosHeavenJJ
Exactly. That’s why I was hoping for Stroman more than Ray or even Gausman. Steady Eddie is what we needed to supplement Ohtani and the youngsters.
kellin
Yep. dont really need Rodon in Anaheim.. Anthony’s comment in the chat today about Anaheim’s rotation being fine for 2022 made me a little upset, but in all likelyhood, the guys the team has right now could definitely handle things if they pitched to their potential.
metfan4ever
Visionaries, what are you talking about, the Angels are spending $21 million on a guy who hasn’t pitched more than 2 innings in 2 years and he gave up 2 runs.
Halo11Fan
The Angels added two huge gambles. Thor was fine, but instead of backing that up with stability, they went after a guy who hasn’t started in five years and hasn’t been good this decade.
Perry shot himself in the foot again with a huge unforced error.
It’s a gamble they didn’t have to take and no way to build a winning team.
Vizionaire
angels signed him for his vast upside. he was once one of the best pitchers as you must know well. the fact that he has hardly pitched last 2 years also indicate he’ll have a fresh arm. he passed the very thorough medical check-up. on the other hand. rodon has never been great till this past season. and, as i posted, angels haven’t had success with pitchers who had great walk years.
metfan4ever
Viz, that incorrect. 1)Thor did not listen to Met Medical staff. He was suppose to be pitching June of 2021 and was not ready till September. 2) No pitcher with TJ has gone over 140 innings the first year back. 3) He’s going down the same road as Matt Harvey. Wants to be with the NYC in group. He’ll try it in LA too. I believe his NYC landlord is looking got him too.
Halo11Fan
How many innings did Ohtani pitch last year? His first year back.
That’s their hope.
Not to mention Thor caught Covid last year.
HalosHeavenJJ
Thor’s surgery was TJ which has a high success rate. Harvey had thoracic outlet which is a career killer.
An impending free agent being doubly cautious about his health doesn’t surprise me.
And we’d love 140 innings from him. Ad those to 140 of Ohtani and that’s a great 1-2 in this era.
i like al conin
It seems like the Angels are looking more at the trade market right now. No rumors around Rodon and only with trade targets.
HalosHeavenJJ
Dodgers make so much sense. They have the depth to allow him to take an IL trip here and there to stay fresh for the stretch run.
Anybody who would make the Dodgers better also makes the Giants better. That ballpark is also great for a rebound season.
I’d put the Angels and Tigers a distant 3/4. Angels would give him a six man rotation, Tigers look to be a team on the rise.
I think the Angels address shortstop before signing any more pitchers.
seamaholic 2
Dodgers are oddly thin in the rotation right now. Don’t expect it to stay that way, but at the moment they are, especially if you don’t consider Price a starter anymore, which you shouldn’t.
HalosHeavenJJ
By their standards they are thin.
And Price is not a starter.
Metsin777
Rodon is definetly overatted. Had one good season in his contract year in which he was out 1/3 of his starts. I wouldnt offer him more than 3 years at 12 million
MLB Top 100 Commenter
Do you mean $12 million per year? If so, I agree. If you mean $12 million total then you have a bad feel for the market. Look at what the Dodgers paid for Heaney.
Metsin777
12 million a year
Samuel
First off – great article!
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Again – I love watching Scott Boras work.
His biggest attribute is finding a desperate owner / FO head, and selling them the magic elixir (he only has this one bottle) that will cure all their problems.
So in the pool I’m picking the Mets or Rangers – both have money to burn and so want to be relevant.
The other remaining candidate teams have the same shortcoming – they have a shred of logic and reasonableness.
Samuel
Here’s a far-fetched theory…….
Perhaps the reason Mr. Rodon was suddenly so effective at the beginning of his 7th year of ML baseball, was because he was doing something with his throwing motion that while it got great movement on his pitches, it put too much stress on his shoulder?
Perhaps?
(Perhaps a similar thing happened to deGrom this year?)
Think in Rondon’s case that FO’s have had their coaches and doctors breaking down his mechanics on video? Might it be possible that the investigation might show that either Mr. Rondon can pitch the way he did for 6 years and stay healthy, or pitch the way he did in early 2021 and hope that he doesn’t reinjure himself?
Think maybe pitchers keep injuring themselves by overdoing it?
rondon
Scott Boras’s “work” is solely about raping a team for every red cent he can get for his one client, regardless of how it affects the future of that team or ultimately, the future of his client. The magic “elixir” you admire, is nothing but flat out mercenary greed.
FrankEttingChiSox
Just wanting money doesn’t make you money. He has to convince everyone (including the presumably not stupid billionaire businessmen that give final approval for expenditures) that the high dollar deal is in their best interest.
slider32
If teams thought he was 100% healthy he would have already been signed, but his upside makes him attractive in a short term deal. He seems to be a fit for the Angels, Dodgers, Red Sox, Astros, and Giants.
DarkSide830
Rodon’s market will have a lot to do with his willingness to eventually take a short deal. I feel most of these teams wolnt be making longer SP commitments at this point, injury and performance notwithstanding.
metfan4ever
Andy Hawkins NH, Maybe the White Sox didn’t want to pay $18.4 when they paid him $3 this year.
AgentF
Mets would be a good landing spot. They need a lefty starter and the length of contract (most likely) would align with when a number of other players are coming off the books to potentially dip below the luxury tax threshold… if Cohen even gives a crap about that. Only thing really going against this would be his high risk injury history. They’ve already got a fair few guys that fall into this category of high upside, high injury risk.
NMK 2
If he could stay healthy, I’d love to see a “comically dominant trio.” Sure beats being dominated comically.
If Rodon is going to get a king’s ransom based on potential, it likely won’t be NYM based on their existing expensive injury risks.
Andy Hawkins No Hitter
The White Sox failed to make him a qualifying offer. So no compensation pick. The only reason a team would do this is if they were afraid he would take the offer.
That screams red flag. He’s either hurt or some ligament is going to snap soon
metfan4ever
Visionaries, what are you talking about, the Angels are spending $21 million on a guy who hasn’t pitched more than 2 innings in 2 years and he gave up 2 runs.
MLB Top 100 Commenter
I would take Rodon over Syndergaard if for one or two years at the same salary But Stroman or even Gray over both.
Dorothy_Mantooth
@Hawkins – Or they had an agreement in return for signing for $3M last season that they would not issue him a QO at the end of the year. Willing to bet that was the case.
metfan4ever
Andy Hawkins NH, Maybe the White Sox didn’t want to pay $18.4 when they paid him $3 this year.
Ah Sahm
Mets or Angels make the most sense. On short, relatively high AAV
Canosucks
Angels or the Mets would be my bet but since both organizations are messed up he will wind up with Boston.
Horace Fury
Can’t see Boston at all because of already bringing aboard LHs Paxton and Hill, the former of whom they can have for 3 years if he’s any good from late July on, and the latter who would be willing to go one year at a time if he’s still effective. To throw $20MM at Rodon for even one year doesn’t fit their current hiring practice, and his addition would bring too much left-handedness to the rotation. Even if Bloom would take him on with the club’s protection of a low annual base salary with incentives for (for instance) the number of starts made and CY votes, some other club will offer more guaranteed money, so that’s where he’d go.
LebronHatesAsians
Cut the season down from 162…5 games a week with each SP getting the rest of the week to recoup.
For whatever reason the modern day player cannot sniff 162 games and miss huge chunks of time. We can passionately debate the many reasons why…if it is they work out too much, make too much money, aren’t as tough as the older generations, find injuries they couldn’t in the past, throw too hard…whatever you’re theory is the fact that these guys don’t play near as much is the cold hard truth.
Cut the games down and find another way to make up the income on a day when they would normally be playing a game. Having your top stars constantly out injured is not good for business. Not that complicated its 2021…time to evolve, there are other ways to make money besides ripping old ladies off with local TV packages and the gate. Probably would make more money with today’s generation making a Tik-Tok once a week than playing everyday.
Vizionaire
do you work 24 hours a day, 7 days a week?
differentbears
Let’s Find a Fit For Carlos Rodon was my favorite kids book growing up.
jvent
Would like to see the Mets get Rodon, than maybe shed Carrasco’s contract on someone, than maybe trade Davis and a minor leaguer to the A’s for Manaea or Bassitt.
Rotation of deGrom, Scherzer,Rodon,Walker and Manaea(Bassitt)
Dustyslambchops23
Would make sense for the Cubs in that it makes no sense for them.
king joffrey
I want to second the ‘great article’ comment. I put less thought into some term papers I turned in.
stymeedone
I find it hilarious that on the Tigers, he would be reliable enough to “take pressure off the younger arms,” but with the Twins, the very next team, they are “unlikely to take on a Rodon-sized risk.” You can’t take pressure off of anyone if you’re on the IL. He won’t sign with Baltimore because he wouldn’t pass the physical.
positively_broad_st
A contract with language stating lower pay if he has another shoulder injury ought to satisfy everyone…
Dorothy_Mantooth
Except such contracts are not allowed in MLB or any professional sport for that matter. The only way to do it is to sign him to a low base salary with escalators for total starts and/or total innings. The other option on a multi-year deal is that he agrees to play an extra year at league minimum if he misses an entire season due to injury. The Red Sox did that with John Lackey and it turned out to be a wise decision.
positively_broad_st
It’s been done before. Ivan Rodriguez contract with Detroit had a clause that would lower his guarantee in subsequent season(s) if he had another back injury…
Halo11Fan
John Lackey had a similar clause that extended his contract a year.
It’s very easy to put in a clause that states the club can renew the contract for x amount if an innings threshold is not met.
dsett75
Or a deal like Buxton just signed. If he’s healthy, he gets paid. If he’s hurt, he doesn’t.
Very Barry
We need to keep Carlos Rodon home on the Southside of Chicago with the White Sox! It’s time to call up our buddy Jed Hoyer with the Cubs. Cubs still call themselves not rebuilding. Dallas Keuchel would look nice in Cubbie blue filling out the rotation with Stroman and Miley. Craig Kimbrel goes back to the Northside as well to once again be the closer. Keuchel and Kimbrel both have 1 year left on their deals. Nearly $30 million freed up for the White Sox, so all we are going to ask for is a couple of low level kids in return. Give Carlos the money!
coolhandneil
Pass.
bbcalmc
Maybe the Sox should give the Cubs Kimbrel AND 17m for our 2 players they traded for him and then turn to the Sox fans and say I’m sorry for being so stupid.
Ducky Buckin Fent
Yeah, I can see the Cubbies wanting a washed up 5.28 ERA (with a nearly identical FIP of 5.23), who can no longer break 88 mph with his “fastball” at $18 mil Dallas Keuchel. & top it off with getting a cooked Kimbrel back whom they were elated to get rid of just a couple months ago.
Sure.
Yeah. That all makes sense. Perfectly reasonable.
Very Barry
Fits right in with what they got up North
Cisco206
Mariners, 2/$38 million, with a club option to make it 3/$60 million. $5 million buyout. Very minimum he gets 2/$43 million. 1. Ray, 2. Rodon, 3. Flexen, 4. Gonzales, 5. Gilbert. Best rotation in the AL if healthy.
AlienBob
Coming off a TJ, I want an option on both years 2 and 3. Since Boras is his agent Rondo probably has an arm that will only last 1 inning. Still, if they can get Sonny Gray I think that is a safer bet and cheaper.
ChiSox_Fan
Usually pitchers stronger than ever after TJ recovery period.
stevecohenMVP
Toronto wants to talk
Dorothy_Mantooth
From a pure needs perspective, the Twins make the most sense out of any team. They need to add 3 starters this offseason and they do not have anyone close to a #1 starter. Rodon at least has the talent to be that; only question is his health. If they offered him a 1 year, $15M contract with a $500K incentive for each start he makes after his first 5 starts, that would be a very attractive deal for Rodon so long as he’s healthy. If he were to make 30 starts, the deal would max out at $27.5M.
bbcalmc
Good article, well thought out. I think he’s damaged goods and won’t last a yr. in anyones rotation. With that said he’ll be good for half the yr. I wouldn’t give him more than a 1 yr. deal unless it was something like a 3/18..21 or something with an innings clause.
citizen
How about another Clint Frazier story – asking for c c cabathia.
Mystery Team
I think Luis Gil fills a rotation spot for the Yankees over Garcia. Garcia hasn’t looked very good so far.
Bill M
Jerry Garcia? Yeah he’s looking pretty bad right now
Larry Bernandez 1324IM
Ray, Rodon, Gonzales, Flexen, Gilbert, Sheffield, Dunn, Kirby, Brash, Hancock, Williamson.
Sid Bream Speed Demon
How about a 1 year, 32 million dollar deal to the Braves?
ntorsky
Needs to pitch every 6th day instead of every 5th. Most effective that way, and he can’t stay healthy otherwise. Makes Rodon a great fit for the Tigers with ERod, Mize, Skubal, Manning, and Alexander/Wentz/Faedo/whatever other bargain bin minor league deal they can find. 1 yr, $20MM with 2 vesting options for $25MM apiece based on starts.
johnnynoitall
He will sign with the Cubs at which point Chisox_Fan will find everything wrong with Rodon and the Cubs mishap for signing him
Angry Disgruntled Sox Fan
I’d say Angels
Stevil
Rodón wouldn’t make much sense for Seattle on a guaranteed multi-year deal. Too much risk for a team with a load of near-ready arms with front-line potential.
But a 1-year deal with incentives and/or an option for additional years…
Robertowannabe
I don’t know why any team would want to spend big money on a pitcher who has a history of arm injuries and while the results looked good, could not provide much help the last 2 months of the season. He was given a 1 year prove it contract but did not totally prove he was healthy. Left a lot of questions especially with the big loss of velocity.
Jake1972
Cubs will not sign him because of his injury issues…
Ted
Toronto has learned that you cannot buy pieces and make a mediocre team good. But money can help a good team win it all. They have money, an elite young core, and a lot of mid-career starters (Springer, Gurriel, Teoscar, Ryu etc). This is the time to strike.
sox4ever
My guess would be Yankees. Cashman loves these players coming off injury/high reward types. I could see a 2 – 3 years deal in play. Cole and Rodon would be a nice 1-2 punch
urnuts
If Angels don’t pull off a trade they will need to gamble if he is still available. But I would offer 1year $17 million or three year $40 million with opt out after 2 years.
I believe a 6 man rotation will benefit him, Thor, Ohtani, and Canning.
nickcage49 2
Did you leave any teams out?
I’d love my Giants to get him.
Stan 2
I’ve always had a slight man crush on Rodon the Yankees. Exactly the kind of guy I can see them going all in for a 1 year deal or even one and an option
CuddyFox
All those teams on the MLBTR list. I hope he sign with the Cardinals and prove that some people do not know what they are talking about.
brushbackmlb
Throwing my guess in (this would’ve been a good poll): ANGELS
I thought I heard they were considering going with a 6-man rotation, which could be exactly what Rodon needs over the course of a long season.
roob
Mets
Dodgers
Giants
2 years, $35 mil guarantee plus incentives
lumber and lighting
Halos don’t need Rodon.They need to continue building the pen.Robles and Hand should be cheap enough.Tepera and Vazquez would be most excellent too!I would prefer making a deal with Cincy for Castillo,Mahle,or Gray.We have young controllable pitchers we could send back.
lumber and lighting
Kikuchi would be ok for a lot of obvious reasons.Make Ohtani as comfortable as possible.Plus Kikuchi deals!
BeeVeeTee
People on this questioned me why I felt the White Sox could trade Anderson after the lockout and called me “stupid” or “nuts”. Anderson sat out a lot of games in the last month of this season when the White Sox needed him to play when they had a legit chance of obtaining a first round bye when they were a few games out. The contract Anderson signed after his first full season guaranteed him $9.5 million in 2022 with two team options in 2023 at $12.5 million and $14 million in 2024. Anderson was the one who signed that contract then choose to sit out crucial games in the last month meanwhile there was a legit chance his ego was in the way where he saw other short stops getting paid with Lindor’s extension with the Mets before the start of the 2021 season to the contract Seager signed a month ago during free agency and the one Correa may sign after this lock out.
For the White Sox not offering Carlos Rodon a qualifying offer then we must look at the same situation with him missing time in the last month like Anderson. Rodon’s agent is Scott Boras. There is a great chance Boras was telling Rodon not to take the risk of getting hurt after a bounce back year after a career of injuries to taking a huge pay cut to play in 2021.
The White Sox’s front office is not cheap but very conservative when it comes to allocating money to staying under the luxury tax to bringing in certain players looking to win rather than just collecting their checks. Baseball is a game but also a business. People on here are saying Anderson is the face is the White Sox which is a debatable topic but its been Abreu for the past three years while Robert and Jimenez are the White Sox faces of the future.
Dogbone
@B V T
You are wrong, Chisox FO is very cheap. Your comment about them being careful about staying under the salary cap, is hilarious. They are never anywhere near the cap limit. If I’m missing something, please let me know.
15Step
Yes, look at the mid to late 2000’s White Sox in comparison to the luxury tax threshold. And, you might want to think about how they’ve shifted doing business since Rick convinced Jerry that his way is better than Kenny’s for long term $$$.
johnnynoitall
Nice to see a Sox fan who seems to think with a baseball mind not like that goofball Chisox_fan
HITTER23
The Yankees wont sign him unless he will take the league minimum
CFS77
His comment on the Cubs is meh.
Signing Rodon pushes Steel into the pen.
Stroman pushed Azolay into the pen.
Miley replaced Davies.
What Signing Rodon does is strengthen the pen with pitchers that faired better in the pen than the rotation.
I see the rotation as:
Stroman, Rodon, Hendricks, Miley, Mills.
Thompson, Steel and Azolay add to Heuer, Wick and Weick. Then they can let Marquez come up mid season in the pen and see if he can replace Miley in 23.
So it makes sense and it adds to the pen.
I believe there will be a major add pending. The Question is Rodon or Correa. Pen arms are spots for the farm to supply.
Dogbone
Correa isn’t worth anything near the money, he is attempting to get. But your thoughts on Rodon are definitely interesting.
johnnynoitall
&CFS77 you’re right. Azolay was a much been bullpen guy than starter. Id rather spend starter money on a starter. Paying big money for a bullpen guy would not be allocating your money properly. Bullpen issues resulted in all the losses after trading away everyone. Would love to see Frank S. And Ortega continue playing at the level they did after the trades went thru.
to4
What the Yanks need to do is bring back Rizzo, sign Bryant and Story and if they really wish to make a splash, Get Kershaw to pair up with Cole to counterpart the Mets. After all, they are the Yanks. They can package Torres and Andujar to a team like the Jays for a pair of top prospects. Let’s say headlined by Pearson RHP and Groshans 3B/SS to complement the pitching and the INF in the long run.
1.LeMahieu 2B
2.Story SS
3.Bryant 3B
4.Judge RF
5.Rizzo 1B
6.Stanton DH
7.Gallo LF
8.Sánchez C
9.Inciarte/Hicks/Florial CF
1.Cole
2.Kershaw
3.Montgomery
4.Cortes
5.Severino/King/Gil/Garcia/German/Schmidt
Let’s Go !
to4
Add Pearson to the 5ft spot sweepstakes !