Carlos Correa entered the offseason as the top name on most free-agent rankings — including here at MLBTR — and remains unsigned as MLB and the MLBPA navigate a lockout that certainly doesn’t look anywhere near a resolution. There’s been plenty of discussion and speculation as to where he’ll ultimately land, but ESPN’s Buster Olney sheds some light on interest that Correa has already received, reporting that the Tigers put forth a 10-year, $275MM offer at one point this winter.
Presumably, that offer came before Detroit signed Javier Baez at six years and $140MM, although it’s at least possible to see how Detroit could make room for both players on the roster and payroll alike. It’s a notable offer, to be sure, but it’s also $66MM shy of what Francisco Lindor received from the Mets, $50MM shy of Corey Seager’s deal with the Rangers and a ways south of the range many pundits projected heading into free agency.
The reported Detroit offer also further underlines that the Astros’ recent offers to Correa are well shy of meeting the mark. Houston was said to have put forth an offer of five years and $160MM just prior to free agency, but that seemed like a nonstarter from the jump. Olney writes that Astros owner Jim Crane has told colleagues that he won’t make an offer of more than six years in length, which only reinforces the expectation that Correa is likely to sign with a new team for the 2022 season.
Of course, the burning question for most MLB fans and onlookers is a simple one: “where?” The Rangers nabbing a pair of high-end shortstops (Seager and Marcus Semien), on the surface, should have strengthened Correa’s market. Two of his top competitors signing with the same team should have kept another spot open elsewhere. However, the Tigers have signed Baez to that aforementioned six-year deal, and the Yankees — at least according to multiple pre-lockout reports — weren’t interested in the top-of-the-market shortstops, instead preferring shorter-term options to serve as a bridge to prospects Anthony Volpe and Oswald Peraza.
It remains plausible that the Yankees and several other big-market teams will more aggressively jump into the market post-lockout, once a (presumably) new luxury-tax threshold is set in stone. Olney hears from some agents who believe the Yankees and Dodgers could engage in the market for stars like Correa or Trevor Story once the forthcoming luxury tax structure is known. Those players’ representatives are surely hoping that will be the case, although even if the Yankees, Dodgers, etc. choose to eschew a mega-deal, that shouldn’t necessarily leave Correa out in the cold.
Houston’s interest will remain in place, barring a signing of Story or the acquisition of another notable infielder. Mark Berman of Fox 26 reported earlier this month that each of the Red Sox, Cubs and Braves have also been in contact with Correa’s representatives at some point during the offseason. When those clubs reached out and the extent of each respective team’s interest isn’t clear, but it stands to reason at least some of that group will reengage with Correa’s reps whenever the transaction freeze ends.
That’s a nice “safety net” (for lack of a better term), and as the Braves’ and Cubs’ reported interest reflects, unexpected suitors tend to emerge for players at the top of the market. Few gave the Padres legitimate consideration when Manny Machado hit the market following the 2018 season, for instance. Broadly speaking, the top free agent each winter tends to get paid, particularly when said player is atypically young to reach the market — as is the case with the 27-year-old Correa. It’d be entirely unsurprising for other unexpected teams to join the bidding, viewing Correa as a rather unique opportunity to add an All-Star-caliber player who remains squarely in his prime.
Correa is coming off one of the best seasons of his career, having hit .279/.366/.485 with 26 home runs across 640 plate appearances. That offensive production was 34 points above the league average, by measure of wRC+, and it came over Correa’s biggest workload since 2016. Advanced defensive metrics were also particularly high on his work on the other side of the ball, for which he received his first Gold Glove award en route to a fifth-place finish in AL MVP voting.
Goose
There is risk with Correa, that no one discusses. Take away his rookie and Covid year and he has two season of 148+ games starting. He has 3 straight season of under 100 games played. For a guy that is only 26 and already having injury issues, do you want to tie him up for a really long term contract at big bucks for a premium position? I would rather have a decent hitter, good glove and stable health guy for more money and put my resources somewhere else. At this point I would take Story over Correa if the savings is right.
Juiced Balls
For sure. If you can get Story at the 6/126M that’s predicted, that’s way better value with upside. And 4 wins for a “down” season, yes please.
JC1975
Story is half the player away from Coors field. I don’t want him on my team knowing he will under perform.
Juiced Balls
Eno Sarris did an article on espn+ about the home/road splits of Rockies hitters that you may want to check out. But if not, basically there’s a “hangover” effect of playing there and then going on the road.
PeteWard8
The altitude maybe?
deweybelongsinthehall
The compromise might be if the new CBA allows big market clubs breathing room is a Scherzer type deal at a higher AAV but short term. Say 4 x $34 with an injury clause adding a team fifth year option at same money if misses 40 games in any one season. Add in a player option after years 1 and 2.
stymeedone
@jc1975
Are you new to the sport? EVERY PLAYER on the Rockies has home road splits like that. It means nothing when they are no longer on the Rockies.
seamaholic 2
Since no one else has left Coors and underperformed, I think that’s a pretty weak take.
DakotaJoe
Arenado’s career slash before leaving Colorado was .293/349/541. His first year with St. Louis was .255 /312/494. In my book that’s a significant decline and though he is without doubt a great player he’s not worth $35M a year.
Samuel
@ seamaholic 2;
Seriously?
Every single hitter that leaves Coor’s has his numbers go down. Look at Nolan Arenado’s numbers with the Rockies – minus 2020 where he only played in 48 games – to those he had with the Cardinals in 2021.
It’s not really difficult – batted balls carry further in the thin air of Coor’s. And breaking pitches don’t break as much at Coor’s due to the thin air – the difference between squaring a pitch up and missing it by a fraction of an inch which results in a ground ball or popup as opposed to hitting the ball solid and hard.
Coor’s is different for both pitchers and hitters than any other park in MLB. Almost everyone that leaves playing their home games at Coor’s for another team produces a different level….pitchers and hitters.
The same thing happened when the Denver Bears were an AAA team. Players minor league stats were skewed depending on how many games they played in Denver (home or away).
DakotaJoe
@Samuel, correct. Arenado’s numbers this year were basically equal to his away numbers when he played with the Rockies.
Darryl Rose
“Every single hitter that leaves Coor’s has his numbers go down.”
DJ Lemehieu.
Samuel
And may I add……
Every single FO in MLB knows full well that Story will not hit as well away playing his home games away form Coors. They’re not kids on a chatroom board, or 20 year-old national baseball writers – all of whom have no perspective.
The media may lump Story in with Correa and Seager, but rest assured the people that give out contracts are not going to pay him anything like they (over)paid Seagar and will pay Correa.
Samuel
@ Darryl Rose;
I didn’t write that quote you made up.
Hundreds of hitters have left Coor’s to play elsewhere in the last 20 years.
Since you’re so smart, why don’t you list some of the others that did better in addition to Lemehieu?
drfelix
Cirillo left Coors as the top 3B FA signed with Seattle and was the biggest flop in Seattle’s franchise history
KcsMsFan
I don’t think that’s a fair assessment. Every single hitter that left (insert team name here) and signed with the Mariners has had a dramatically worse season.
Darryl Rose
@Samuel. I didn’t say you did.
And you question my intelligence?
Chester Copperpot
Jeff CIrillo hit in Milwaukee before hitting in Colorado. His flop in Seattle wasn’t Coors related. EIther way, he’s probably not in my top 5 biggest flops.. Chone FIggins earns runner up to Carlos Silva in that department.
SIlva was monumentally bad! $48M for 183 IP of 6.50+ ERA
kodion
Darryl Rose, he did say it and the “evidence” is still posted for anyone to see. Maybe he could question your intelligence, as well as his own memory, (and/or reading skills) now?
In the post you appeared to be responding to, he said both “Every single hitter that leaves Coor’s has his numbers go down.” and “Almost everyone that leaves playing their home games at Coor’s for another team produces a different level….pitchers and hitters.”
Notice how the second one (politician?) covers EVERY possible outcome?
Here’s my version: Everyone who plays in MLB, tries to do/be the best they can, wherever they play. Better players will figure it out.
dpsmith22
will over-pay Correa aa well.
slider32
Agreed, look at the year DJ had after he left the Rockies!
seth3120
It’s one season with a completely new organization. Give him another year
MatthewLVT17
Just wait until they open an expansion team in Vegas. I went to a AAA Mets game there years ago and those balls FLY
JoeBrady
Samuel
Every single FO in MLB knows full well that Story will not hit as well away playing his home games away form Coors.
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The issue, imo, is that posters mostly seem to take an either/or approach to his splits.
1-His numbers will go down.
2-His numbers will not all off a cliff.
GMs already know that, but the best GMs will also know that the tail end of some of the longer contracts are going to be weak returns.
JoeBrady
DakotaJoe
Arenado’s career slash before leaving Colorado was .293/349/541. His first year with St. Louis was .255 /312/494. In my book that’s a significant decline
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Folks need to look at his OPS+, not his OPS. It’s probably more coincidence that anything else, but Arenado’ OPS+ was 121 with both Colorado and StL.
It’s entirely possible that Story’s 112 OPS+ is exactly what should be expected. For comparison purposes, other SS OPS:
Bogaerts 115
Correa 127
Seager 131
Lindor 116
Semien 110
That’s an average of 120. Given Story’s defense, he isn’t all that far off the other top-tier SS’s, at a fraction of the price.
MetsFan22
Cuddyer?
MetsFan22
Bc he went to a stadium that is just as much as a joke lol
thickiedon
Beltre lol
JackStrawb
112? For the love of jaysus, do people really believe what a player did in 2016 and 2017 is relevant, and as relevant as what they did in 2021, in particular?
Samuel
@ Darryl Rose;
Where was I questioning your “intelligence”?
Due to this post I question your motives, complete lack of perspective, and maturity.
There’s a cliché – “an exception to the rule”.
You picked out one guy out of (as I wrote above) hundreds of hitters that have left playing their home games at Coors the past 20 years, and took a swipe at me and others. It’s this petty, “gotcha” stuff that goes around America as immature people with no perspective (particularly in the media) deal in absolutes rather than reality.
You noted an exception to the rule. Fine. Now how about listing a dozen hitters of the well over 200 that left the Rockies playing their home games at Coors and hit better with another team?
NostraThomas
Not correct. DJ had not one, but two MVP adjace seasons with the Yankees after leaving Coors, with the latest potentially marred by a core/groin injury.
brockmire69
Wasn’t the same said about DJ LeMahieu?
rolder
Forget Home/Away splits.
Story has a problem vs RHP.
RunDMC
Which LeMahieu? The 2019-20 version or the 2021 version with an OPS+ right back to where he hit in 5.5 seasons in COL (1 season (2016) hitting 128 OPS+, being the exception). Most of his career he’s been a below-average hitter (per OPS+) even with the high-altitude and short RF porch. He got paid in NYY and magically he reverts back to his old ways. Maybe in 2026 – the last year of his contract – you’ll see a 37 y/o LeMahieu again hitting 130 OPS+ for a new contract…
Yankee Clipper
Jc75: You may want to refresh your screen. He has more home runs away from Colts field. That demonstrates his power is real and may actually improve, depending on the home stadium, ie: Yankee Stadium he would’ve had 10 more homers or so.
Poster formerly known as . . .
“I didn’t write that quote you made up.”
Then you’d better get out of your house quickly. Somebody’s inside with you and using your keyboard. The following was posted under your screen name:
Samuel24 hours ago
@ seamaholic 2;
Seriously?
Every single hitter that leaves Coor’s has his numbers go down. Look at Nolan Arenado’s numbers with the Rockies – minus 2020 where he only played in 48 games – to those he had with the Cardinals in 2021.
Darryl Rose
@kodian
Thanks. At the time I posted the quote and responded to it without seeing who actually posted it.
Darryl Rose
@Samuel
You said Every single hitter that leaves Coor’s has his numbers go down.
I simply posted DJ Lemehieu and then you get irritated i didn’t list 100 exceptions.
You are a strange little man.
IndianRye
Lol someone’s cray cray. And don’t like your own comments please, it’s never a good look. Just because you like to talk about “maturity” and “intelligence” I figured I’d help ya out and let you know that.
emac22
How is proof of park effect not fair?
It’s an extreme example when you go from the best hitters park to the worst (or one of…) but it sure help illustrate the point to me.
emac22
Which side do you think you’re on?
OPS+ factors in park effect so the fact that hitting numbers go down when you leave Coors while keeping your OPS the same is a great proof that players will not only hit worse when they leave Coors & that we know almost exactly how much worse.
Darryl Rose
@IndianRye.
I actually wondered why someone upvoted his nonsense. Now it makes sense.
Darryl Rose
I don’t think anyone can rationally suggest there isn’t a park affect at Coors. We have seen it for years. But I have also read that players who play for Colorado State there is a big adjustment to smoke when they go on the road after playing at home for awhile and they have to relearn how to hit.
As for Arenado. He has a pretty damn good year in st Louis but I think he’s 32. Natural regression may also be a factor for him.
I think an athlete like Story will go elsewhere and settle in as a productive good hitting, solid defensive shortstop.
And even if he doesn’t have Coor numbers he will be better than Simmons / Iglesias / Torres.
Joba's vodka
He was the cardinals best hitter for most of the season. O’Neill and goldy came on strong at end of season. Cardinal nation are beyond happy with him. We would love nothing more then to grab story too. He was miserable in den. I believe story ends up being the best ss in this free agent class.
The Saber-toothed Superfife
Pujols should sign with Toronto, to reach the HR mark faster.
Smitty660
Great point. In fact, clubs should always shy away from hitters in free agency that put up numbers in Colorado and look at taking pitchers from Colorado. Likely their numbers will be better the lower in the atmosphere they pitch but since they will be coming from Colorado teams should be able to get them for a discount.
SportsFan0000
There is a risk with any player signing such an expensive deal.
Francisco Lindor signed that huge contract with the Mets
and then underperformed this past year on offense.
Tatis Jr signed a huge extension with San Diego and then was beset with injury issues and the Padres faded at in the second half. Miguel Cabrera signed that mega deal with Detroit and then
gained 30-40 pounds that is a major contributing factor to his many injuries these past few years and significant drops in production at the end of the deal.
Correa looks physically fit and may actually give elite performance for this contract especially in crunch time in the playoffs
emac22
A free agent having an off year after signing a big deal is probably the rule and not the exception.
As much as I hate that, it would probably be a bad sign more often than not for a player to not to give more effort in his free agency season.
The keys here is the likelihood of the player never putting that effort in again and how their bodies react to significant time off.
I’d worry about him if he was a center fielder but not as much at SS.
Jerem
Definitely fair Correas back especially is scary, but story has risk too with his balky elbow and uncertainty around his offense. I’m in favor of getting the best players and Correa certainly is better but For the right team Story could end up being better value. But story isn’t picturesque either and there is a scenario where you could be paying for a second baseman with throwing issues. At the end of the day there’s risk with every player and when given enough time it’s easy to talk yourself out of anyone if you think about it.
hoof hearted
@jerem
what do you mean “uncertainty about his offense”?
emac22
He’d still be a difference maker at 2nd and if you keep Peraza and Volpe we’ll finally be in a position to add young players in the middle of the diamond and have our old stars move to the corners instead of moving to DH.
Dtownwarrior78
Exactly. This is exactly why I wanted my Tigers to stay away. I can also see him doing exactly what Fransisco Lindor did. That is, getting his payday and production tanks. Alot may disagree, but I’m much happier with a shorter deal for Baez!
OnlyRaysFan
I agree with there being concerns over giving Correa that big of a contract, but yeah he’s definitely going to get it. Injury history didn’t stop Seager (played 44 less games than Correa since their first full season).
Story has his own major concerns over his road stats, but at least he’ll sign for way less than 300 mil
The Natural
I wonder how Story would like hitting in Wrigley? Plus Cincy and Milwaukee are in the division with good hitters parks too.
Fred K. Burke
Wrigley becomes a hitters park typically mid June when the weather warms. Early in the season you have the wind coming off Lake Michigan which makes Wrigley not so hitter friendly.
deweybelongsinthehall
What about in the AL East where outside of Tampa, they are all hitters’ parks.
StPeteStingRays
*St. Petersburg and/or Tampa Bay
tstats
Seagers injuries (especially this year) have been on the flukier side. How many hitters get TJ?
PeteWard8
Sano had it couple years back.
Rogers the Tiger catcher is recovering from it n
Can’t think no one else.
Excillon
Matt Wieters and Salvador Perez
JeffreyChungus
Aaron Hicks, Didi Gregorius, and Gleyber Torres as well
MiPatrick
Akil Baddoo had the surgery in 2019 I believe.
tstats
Honestly y’all just shocked me with how many. I didn’t know Torres did but you see mostly catchers and OFers. Never see repeat TJs for hitters. I won’t call Seager injury prone just yet
Nathan Fenstemaker
That opt out is a powerful motivation for Baez to be even better and lord knows Tigers fans will love him if he is even halfway decent, we have been starving for a two way SS since Jhonny left. We are pretty easy to please. Play hard like he does and the city will embrace him.
Cubswin2019
They will. Although be prepared for 2 week stretches when he swings at anything within 4 feet of the strike zone.. I always wondered what his numbers would be if he just had an ounce of plate discipline.
PutPeteinthehall
He was greatly improved a few years ago when he led the league in RBI. Since that season he has regressed. Maybe a change of scenery and coaching will help.
stymeedone
@fenstemaker
I am hoping for two solid years from Baez and then he opts out as Pacheco is ready to take over. Detroit gets out of the contract before it goes south.
astros_fan_84
I hope Correa gets this money with an AL team. I love it when other AL teams get albatross contracts. It’s nearly impossible to into the playoffs with one.
emac22
Who told you that?
It’s almost impossible to get to the playoffs without one and I’d argue that if you don’t have a couple of bad contracts after being good for a long period of time you aren’t trying very hard.
If you’re still living off decades of really high draft picks it just means the bad contract good teams normally carry to pay for success was instead paid for with a decade or more of terrible baseball..
thomasg1951
Where ever Correa goes don’t count on 100 games a year.
Redwolves3
Hopefully Correa’s market completely dries up and no team offers him a contact. Correa needs to know that baseball fans have a long memory of the Houston Astros CHEATERS!
Deadguy
The players won a championship?
How much did the people placing bets on the scandal make? The whole thing doesn’t make sense, there’s more to it, like Biff Tannen back to the future II more
Cosmo2
Redwolves, that’s how YOU feel, not how all baseball fans feel and certainly it has no effect on his getting a contract. Personally I think you need to get over it, but you do you. (And, no, I’m not an Astros fan).
We Stay Hungry We Devour
Bruh get over it like the rest of the site
OnlyRaysFan
Lol baseball fans are irrelevant. They’re not the ones paying him. Springer did fine and so will Correa
SportsFan0000
Like the Yankees and Red Sox Cheaters stealing signs for the last 10 years and decoding in their video rooms that came out in the Media.
Astros did it 1-2 years.
Yankees and Red Sox did it for over 10 years?!
Who are the Cheaters?!
Seems like Astros are being scapegoated for a league wide problem.
Darryl Rose
@Sportsfan0000. Does the tin foil affect the TV reception? Does it stick to your body now that the vaccine has magnetized your body?
Now be honest … You are an avid Trump supporter aren’t you? You even own one of the hats.
tigw
much better off with him! Not a lot of Biden fans left!
SportsFan0000
Darryl Rose1 day ago Google it.! It has been reported in the National and Regional sports media that a whole bunch of teams were caught cheating/sign stealing not just the Astros. Yankees and Red Sox were the worst offenders and those are the facts…..
They were using Apple watches, video rooms, cameras in the scoreboards etc…
And, on top of that The Yankees also won their last 4-5 Titles cheating with Rosters loaded with Roided up, drugged up players.
I deal with verifiable facts.
Don’t have any idea what you are talking about with the off the wall Trump comments…that has nothing to do with me. Please keep your politics off this baseball site. We come here to get a break from all that toxic BS…
Darryl Rose
@SportsFan0000
I think it’s cute that you believe Mark McGuire, Barry bonds, Brady Anderson, Jose Conseco, Juan Gonzalez, Sammy Sosa, Manny Ramirez and hundreds of others played for the new York Yankees.
Steroids were clearly rampant across MLB but your verifiable facts include attributing it to the Yankees.
As for the red sox and their apple watches vs Houston you are like a person who equates murder to jay walking by claiming both are criminals.
Jean Matrac
Goose:
While what you say about Correa, and the missed games, is true, I’d note that Correa has been just as durable as Seager, and look at the deal he got.
Darryl Rose
@Goose
I certainly wouldn’t agree that hasn’t been discussed. Three issues comes up whenever his name is mentioned.
His health / bad back
His role as an unrepentant cheater
His propensity to be a dbag.
cdouglas24000
Methinks him & boras might be over playing their hand. Like guys mentioned here, he ain’t exactly the face of the MLB & he also can’t stay away from the medical tape. I would take the bag from Detroit if I haven’t heard sh## by FEB 1.
seamaholic 2
Almost certainly not. He’s got offers that are still on the table for massive amounts of money. Worst comes to worst he just takes one of them and negotiates an opt out to try again. He might bring in less than Seager, but it will be a huge contract no matter what.
stymeedone
Can’t take the bag from Detroit anymore. They signed Baez.
deweybelongsinthehall
I’m thinking big market clubs will be there to some degree. Worst case is he saves face by working it out with the Stros.
emac22
I think he just wants to sign with a winning team and with the CBA negotiations in process the owners didn’t want big market teams spending money but did want small market teams to spend. The message also seems to be more revenue sharing which is another reason for big market teams to hesitate.
SportsFan0000
Would not surprise me if he and Detroit “double back” and work out some sort of deal. Baez could be moved to 2B or 3B or OF.
SalaryCapMyth
If you think nobody is talking about Correa’s health than you need to listen more.
rotobomber
This isn’t accurate
to4
I would offer him a shorter term and allow him to hit FA at 33 again !
6 years and $200 M deal with an Opt out at the age of 30 (After 3 years). This deal would pay roughly $33.3 M a year which I consider a fair amount annual avenue. Some times shorter terms with higher venue annually, en up being much better !
to4
Annual revenue sorry !
to4
Venue sorry !!!! I guess I’m a sloppy head this morning!
Libpwnr
Not to mention no speed, middling power despite playing in a bandbox of a stadium, middling OBP skills, and the whole cheating thing, if that bothers anyone.
Correa is the “sexier” name, but he isn’t worth a quarter of what he is apparently seeking/being told he’s worth by his agent.
BrandonF87
The risk has been discussed numerous times by numerous people.
extexdave
Neither Seager or Story are close to Correa defensively, and they’re both trending in the wrong direction. If anyone has been as injury prone as Correa, especially recently, it’s Seager, and Story is rumored to have arm issues. No way Correa settles for less than Seager on a long term deal. It may turn out he takes a short term deal with very high AAV, and tries it again at age 28 or 29 with not so many SS in FA.
Darryl Rose
@extexdave
So getting beaned in the wrist now counts as being injury prone?
What if you play in the NHL and the clock falls on your head? Are you injury probe then?
extexdave
No, but elbow and back in 2017, TJ and hip surgery in ’18, hamstring in ’19. No clocks were involved. He hasn’t played 100 games in a season since 2017. That counts.
Poster formerly known as . . .
These are the only injuries listed on Spotrac for Seager:
05/16/2021 – 07/30/2021 LAD Hand 76 days
06/12/2019 – 07/10/2019 LAD Hamstring 29 days
05/01/2018 – 10/01/2018 LAD Elbow 154 days
These are the injuries listed for Correa, not counting Covid:
08/21/2019 – 09/17/2019 HOU Back 28 days
05/29/2019 – 07/26/2019 HOU Ribs 59 days
06/29/2018 – 08/10/2018 HOU Back 43 days
07/18/2017 – 09/03/2017 HOU Thumb 48 days
I’d be much more concerned about a recurring back problem in a 220 lb. 6′ 4″ shortstop.
The Saber-toothed Superfife
Yes. He is a professional athletes and should have moved his arse faster.
Yes, that makes him injury prone.
What was the idiot doing loafing underneath the clock in the first place?
100% on the player. Not only injury prone but also probably an idiot….
Darryl Rose
Valid point.
averagejoe15
Uh plenty of people have been talking about his injury history including the high amount of maintenance he required on his back last year just to stay on the field.
VonPurpleHayes
Yankees and Correa are destined for each other, which is hilarious.
PhilliePhan
Von, I think there’s a decent chance he could wind up with our Phils. You don’t think so?
Rsk3228
No way he’s on the Phils (not that I would be against it). That commitment would be huge. Not to mention it pushes us way over the tax and Middleton has consistently shown the tax threshold to be a hard cap.
allweatherfan
You can’t say that about the luxury tax because you don’t what the threshold is. Chances are good it will be higher than last season which could give them room to make it work. He’s definitely a fit there.
VonPurpleHayes
@wesstl While the tax will certainly increase, a Correa deal would likely put them over the new threshold. Correa is going to demand a mega deal, and the Phillies have in-house options for SS. They absolutely need 2 OFs.
JackStrawb
@VonPurpleHayes Which is the fundamental point, really. The Phillies are a .500 team with numerous holes. Spending $32m AAV on one player who averages 4.66 WAR in his prime, his last 4 seasons (pro rating 2020), is ill-advised. It’s not like signing Betts and hoping to get a couple of 10 win seasons up front before the inevitable happens.
If the Phillies spent $32m per on adequate players at positions of need, they’d accomplish far more by keeping bad players OFF the field than what results from putting a single good player ON the field.
The worst players on the Phillies 2021 roster cost them a negative 7.0 fWAR.
Just filling those roster slots with replacement level, 0.0 WAR players, picks up as much as a peak Carlos Correa season. Keeping guys like Knapp and Joyce from playing for them is probably much more valuable to the 2022 Phillies than having Correa at shortstop for 110 games.
SportsFan0000
Correa would be a great fit on the Phillies. Then trade Segura for more starting pitching and bullpen help. Trade Didi Gregorious if you can.
Start Rookie Stott at 2B.
VonPurpleHayes
@PhilliesPhan Nope. Not at all. The Phillies seem interested in an OF bat and more bullpen help. Bryant and Correra seem to be rumors made up by fans. I don’t think the Phillies pursue either one, even though they should. I’d be thrilled with either addition, but I don’t see the Phillies willing to go over the cap.
Jean Matrac
VonPurpleHayes:
I have to disagree. I’m not Phillies fan, and I don’t even have a warm spot in my heart for them, though I don’t dislike them as much as some other teams, but…
Acquiring Correa, even if it does push them over the threshold, would be tremendous for them. Under the current rules, the first year or two isn’t that punitive. It’s usually just a couple million. And there are ways to dip back under, resetting the penalty.
The in-house options are underwhelming. Even if Stott proves to be better than projected, he’s probably not going to be close to the guy Correa is. He makes a ton of sense for them. The Phils have the capability to sign him, and I think it’s an opportunity they shouldn’t pass up.
Cosmo2
I don’t think signing Correa is a matter of penalties for the Phillies, but rather a matter of destroying future off season flexibility. The process of getting under the cap will entail somewhat of a freeze on spending. In that case, how does the team improve in the future? Correa better land them a quick championship cuz his contract will make it very hard to make improvements season to season.
SalaryCapMyth
@tad. Everything you’ve said as to why you think the Phillies should sign Correa and has a good chance to land him sounds like great reasons..for a fan. You aren’t the one signing him though. Middleton has already said now a few seasons back that he would spend crazy money but that never took him over the luxury tax.
The Phillies have sold themselves as competitive for a while and yet you think NOW they will exceed the luxury tax.
Jean Matrac
Cosmo2:
Well I agree that a Correa contract would hamper future flexibility, but, with Harper and Realmuto at, or entering their prime years, the Phils are in a win now position. They were the 23rd oldest team by batting age in 2021. What’s the point of maintaining future flexibility if it only keeps you competitive, but doesn’t win you a title?
Jean Matrac
SalaryCapMyth:
Any contract similar to what it will take to sign Correa, is always going to be an owner decision. But Middleton also agreed to that monster contract of Harper’s. He had to know that one big contract doesn’t win a title.
Middleton is obviously getting impatient. He was the force behind the firing of Kapler, and he’s moved on from Klentak. I doubt that he’s ignorant of the fact, that how punitive the luxury tax is, is illusory. At least in the short term.
I have no idea how or what Middleton thinks, but it seems absurd that a guy who vowed to spend “stupid money” would balk at a couple million in tax penalties. And, I doubt Middleton is satisfied with just being competitive.
Cosmo2
I agree with your premise, I just don’t think Correa puts them over the top. He’d be the last piece they could afford and they’d still be pretty meh. That money would be better put to use by spreading it out. Also, flexibility allows the team to adjust to injuries and surprises in performance. A Correa contract pretty much locks them into what they are, no ability to adjust, to react or to improve from there. Going for it is one thing, but if you’re gonna do that you better make sure your plan works and I don’t see the Correa plan working.
Jean Matrac
Cosmo,
I guess the crux of our disagreement then, is I do think Correa could put them over the top. With Correa, Harper, Hoskins and Realmuto in the that lineup, and Correa’s superb defense, they’d have a good shot at the NL East.
OF is probably the easiest place to upgrade cheaply. Look at what the Braves did for their OF last season. Neither one of Duvall, Pederson, Soler, or Rosario were on their roster at the start of the season. The Phils could do something similar with very little cost.
I just don’t see them locked in as rigidly as you do as a result of signing Correa.
VonPurpleHayes
@tad2b13 Don’t get me wrong, I’d be all for it. I think Correa alone transforms the team into a division contender. (No disrespect to the Braves, Mets and Marlins who are still solid). I agree he makes a TON of sense, but I just don’t see the Phillies spending that way. They’ve never passed the threshold and have always been a bit hesitant to go the extra mile for 1 individual player. And quite frankly, they have 3 rather large holes to fill, not just 1. So I don’t see it happening. That doesn’t mean I don’t want it though.
VonPurpleHayes
*outside of Bryce of course
PhanaticDuck26
I have a feeling its between NYY and PHI to be honest…. good points on both sides of the argument, but id rather lock up Story and Nick C for the cost of Correa
rocky7
More importantly, you Yankee Hater are Hilarious….what inside info do you have pre-tell?
VonPurpleHayes
What disparaging comment did I make towards the Yankees? I don’t hate them at all, and Correra would be a superstar get for them. I only think it’s hilarious because of all the drama between Correra and the Yankee fanbase (which would go away after his 1st homerun by the way).
As for my information, the same as you. This very article mentions the Yankee connection.
Joe says...
Von the Yankees fans will never embrace Correa. We (most of us, obviously some will love him) will only cheer his accomplishments as it will help the team. ARod has never been well liked by the Yankees fans and he never cheated them out of a chance at a title.
Scrap Iron
The Yankees failure to hit Astros pitching is what cost them that series. I understand it doesn’t fit the narrative that Yankees fans obsess over, but it’s simply the facts. Go look at the box scores of that series.
Joe says...
Even beyond the Astros only winning home games in that series, they cheated the whole year to put themselves in the position they were in.
SalaryCapMyth
@scrap iron. Are you actually LOOKING for someone to make a trash can comment? =}
Scrap Iron
PS, both the Yankees and Red Sox were caught cheating that year. The Yankees are still suing to have documents sealed because they are detrimental to their franchise.
The Astros cheated and it’s a disgrace, I just wish Yankees fans would actually take their blinders off for once. Pipe dream, I know.
Scrap Iron
@salarycapmyth, only if it’s an original AND funny joke. All the other ones are old, tired, and/or not funny.
SportsFan0000
C’mon, let’s face it, the Yankees cheated other teams out of at least
4 WS titles with their rosters full of ROIDED UP DRUGGED UP PLAYERS.
SportsFan0000
BS! The Astros had the best team in baseball position by position.
The Yankees were just not good enough.
Let’s have a serious discussion on how the Yankees cheated all the other teams, the league and baseball fans everywhere
when they won 3-4 WS Titles with a roster full of cartoon looking
ROIDED UP DRUGGED UP CHEATING PLAYERS.
YANKEES ARE THE POSTER BOYS FOR CHEATING.
And, in the course of the sign stealing investigation,
Investigators and the Media uncovered rampant sign stealing and cheating throughout MLB….including the Yankees and the Red Sox
who had been sign stealing, converting the stolen signs in their video rooms AND CHEATING FOR OVER 10 YEARS.
But, hey let’s blame the upstart Astros Astros for using old Yankees and old Red Sox sign stealing tricks for just a couple of years?! Complete BS!!!
Astros were back in the World Series this year with a young, uproven rotation because their best starters were injured.
WHAT EXCUSES ARE THE YANKEES FANS CRYING AND WHINING ABOUT FOR THIS YEAR?!
dpsmith22
@joe Just like they wouldn’t love Damon because he was a Red Sox?
dpsmith22
Somewhere Stanton is smiling…
Joe says...
What do the Sox have to do with it? The Yankees fans have never had much of a problem with ex-Sox players. Except for Ellsbury. But that was for a very different reason.
dpsmith22
If Correa helps the Yanks win, they will love him and all will be forgotten. Let’s not act like the Yankees fans are somehow greater than any other baseball fan base.
Joe says...
I’ve not said anything about Yankees fans being greater than any other fan base. And as I mentioned already, and even though he helped to win the WS, most fans NEVER loved ARod. History is against you on this subject.
Ducky Buckin Fent
Well…I liked Arod. But @Joe is absolutely right on this one.
There would be an enormous backlash amongst Yankee fans if Correa was signed, @smith22. So much so, that Cash has already been forced to address the topic in the media. Think about that. The Yanks have not been connected to him at all. Yet our GM issued a statement(!) about how something like that would be met.
The majority of Yankee Nation does not share my laissez faire attitude about this. Also, I do not see how Joe intimidated that somehow makes us “greater”. It does however make us – as a fan base: Still Pissed.
Wanting to move on from it, created quite a bit of animosity towards me over at Pinstriped Alley. Last I knew, that entire blog (staff & posters) still gets worked into a frenzy over it. Man. I thought a couple of them were going challenge me to fist fights when I suggested letting it go, serious.
rolder
I get the impression that Yankee fans haven’t embraced anyone since Jeter.
Maybe CC.
Who on the current roster gets embraced rather than shade from the fanbase?
Yankee Clipper
Scrap Iron: So you have proof the Yankees cheated too? I’d love to see it. And I would condemn the Yankees as I do the Astros. Cheating is cheating. But, regardless of your postulations, the Astros did cheat, and it was a scandal like none before it and won them the championship. Without it, they may have made the playoffs, but it’s Yankees v Dodgers most likely.
Again, I’m open to seeing the proof, just not by you analogizing your opinion to the actual proof against the Astros.
emac22
We can’t worry about stupid fans unless we want to forget about winning and focus on entertainment value.
He makes a huge difference for a team that is right in the middle of their window. I don’t think you give him a blank check or that you ignore the physical exam but you absolutely do ignore anyone that places their feelings over fielding the best team.
It’s an insulting argument.
Poster formerly known as . . .
@rolder
Judge, pretty much.
The Saber-toothed Superfife
I wish I had known to take steroids, make millions of dollars and have beautiful wife….
My life stinks compared to theirs. I wish I had taken drugs like A-Rod and Bonds or even Bob Dylan, Willie Nelson and Jerome Garcia.
I just didn’t know any better and I have had a pretty crappy life.
Ducky Buckin Fent
@Hayes –
Personally, I would rather have Story & Rizzo. Lot shorter commitments & the AAV will end up being pretty close. Especially the way the Yanks write their contracts. However, Correa is the premier player on the market. So if Cash went that way, I certainly wouldn’t have a problem. He makes any team – & especially us – better: The End.
But. “Hilarious” doesn’t even come close to categorizing the meltdown that would occur if we signed him.
Which – obviously – appeals to my irreverent side very much.
Joe says...
Yeah Ducky, I’m against signing him. So it’s pretty safe bet he’ll sign a 14 year deal.
Ducky Buckin Fent
I found a simple formula that swayed me on this one, Joe:
Yanks with Correa > Yanks without Correa
If the Yanks were allowed to sign just one player this offseason, without a doubt, Carlos Correa would have the biggest impact of anyone in this class. We’ve a pretty obvious need at SS. & with defense overall. Not to mention our offense which seriously needs to find a lot more runs laying around somewhere. He would address all of that.
I am in no way advocating for it.
But that is more about what else could be done with the $33-35 mil AAV than some objection to signing Correa. I’ve no problem with mercenary type players or signings. & ’17 is over, man. Had we a viable DH or another starter (or both) we probably win that series. But. We lost. & nothing will ever change that, uh?
Tldr; can’t beat ’em buy ’em.
VonPurpleHayes
@Ducky It just seems like a Yankee-esque move, and I think it transforms the entire team. It would be hilarious to hear the boo birds in the Bronx turn to cheers when Correa comes up big. I don’t know why. I just see it.
Mickey777
@Ducky
I just can’t see the Yankees paying that kind of money for Correa. Hal is very unlike his father, his interest is far more on the bottom line than on winning.
I would also much rather have Rizzo and Story than Correa. I’d be satisfied with Rizzo and a stop gap SS (nearly all of the ones I have suggested are gone) like Iglesias or Villar, and a catcher. I agree that the catching market is incredibly thin but I still think Sanchez’s inability to simply catch the ball is a Major problem. When Tucker Barnhart was traded the off season began to become a disappointment and it continues. There of course is still time, but Hal/Cash just don’t seem to have the desire to really go for it again this year.
SportsFan0000
It would be a George Steinbrenner move.
Hal Steinbrenner not so much.
Ducky Buckin Fent
Well, that’s the elephant in the room ain’t it, Mick? I can’t either. & Hal certainly is much more influenced by profits than George was.
“There of course is still time…”. Hold on to that! That’s the key. Because there sure is. Look. If you can stand studying a blank sky long enough with your binoculars, eventually you’ll see some geese. Just gotta be patient, man. Brian Cashman is extremely patient. He’d be a good hunter.
At the deadline last summer, every single acquisition he made was a direct response to mistakes he had made in the past. His ability to do that – & clearly own up to some screw ups – makes me pretty confident that he will add some interesting & helpful pieces.
But: yes. Only to a point. Cash/Hal will “go for it” in a 95 win fashion. Not a 105 win fashion.
Yankee Clipper
Ducky, you’ve consistently said to wait for it. You’ve been consistent they will do something. I didn’t have a lot of faith (based on recent offseasons) to begin with, but I lost faith given their directional change. Here’s why:
1) Players like Correa – when you turn down a 10 year/ $275M contract with his history? Very few teams will bite, but ownership is not going forward to set a higher precedent; and
2) They said they had flexibility but never named a player of interest. Then froze pending lockout. Their 9-digit contracts are few but they don’t want more.
3) Your last sentence sums it up best!
But, I say all that to admit, I’ve been wrong before about them and will likely be wrong again. You’ve had their pulse, so you are probably correct in your assessment post-lockout – I hope you are.
Ducky Buckin Fent
In early October, I ran across some turkey sign while bird hunting. Came back a couple days later & set up for him. From when I closed the truck door until I put a tag on him took under a 100 minutes. He was one of the stars this past Thanksgiving. Got a second tag…& still haven’t filled it. So. I definitely understand the difference between a bird in the hand & a tag in the pocket.
& I understand the sense of urgency a lot of Yankee fans are feeling. We went into ’21 with the best odds in the AL but wound up in an absolute scrum to slip into the WC 2 spot. & that was after a pretty desperate series of deadline moves.
We all can see: this squad needs some help. & more than a little bit. Add in the fact our direct competition have all improved…& it starts to feel like the second tag. I *think* I’ll fill it. But there are certainly fewer turkeys than there was a couple months ago. Fewer days too.
So: I might not, uh?
It’s not like I don’t want to see some resolution in re ’22’s roster. I do! But this is how it’s playing out. & Cash is a planner. So we are pretty much at the mercy of that plan.
One thing I have kind of glossed over, but its pretty informative. Cashman did offer Verlander a contract. So there is *at least* $25MM in the free agent kitty. Probably more, but we know that number for sure.
#3 is no small matter.
Moves will be made. Part of the new economic paradigm is an annual trip to the playoffs. Failing to meet that requirement – & financially speaking ’21 has to be viewed as a failure (one away game = No Real Money) – is the one thing that’ll crank up the heat on Brian Cashman. & I think he is aware of that. His July trades were pretty out of character. You know giving up all that precious “value” was not easy for him to do.
I have no clue what he will actually do.
But he will add some players to the 26 man. He understands that he has to.
goastros123
In Briah Cashman you trust. That’s all you can do.
Yankee Clipper
Yeah, that’s an incredibly succinct summation of last season, the offseason, and their next season.
I certainly see your point, from a pragmatic approach, about Cash nearly failing to meet the [significantly reduced] annual performance measure of the playoffs.
I guess it boils down to trusting Cashman to save himself from himself.
emac22
I’d argue bringing in elite talent like Correa allows you to trade more significant prospects for your other needs instead of patching holes like a small market club in the middle of your window of contention.
Stanton, Cole, Judge.and fillers while we wait for Volpe?
emac22
You’d prefer the lesser player?
Because people would cry on social media????
And to have……roster flexibility in 5 years?
What happened to the world?
Darryl Rose
@VonPurpleHays
Just an uneducated guess but I see zero chance of Correa signing with the Yankees.
Although he is very good I just don’t see Hal agreeing to a 10 year contract for him.
I think you invest $300 million in a total stud who also has the fan appeal, likeability factor of a Judge/Mookie Betts type player. I just don’t see it with Correa.
He’s talented, can’t stay on the field and is likeable as Harvey Weinstein.
SportsFan0000
Not with the “penning pinching” Hal in charge.
dan_plays_drums
ORIOLES BABY
bobtillman
Have to fight the Pirates.
For Love of the Game
Offering 10 yrs., $30 mill. might raise Correa’s eyebrows until he realizes the Orioles are offering him $3 mill. a year!
gorav114
It’s not crazy. The books are open and 1 season away
dpsmith22
too early and we have literally 6 short stop prospects.
Ma4170
I’m not a Yankees fan, but if I were them I’d make a serious push for freeman… older, but much better player, shorter commitment, similar AAV… he would make them a much better team
SportsFan0000
Orioles would be a nice fit!
User 2079935927
OG – You left out IMHO.
Sunday Lasagna
The Astros offer of 5 years 160M will be the best offer Correa gets. He will be a free agent again at age 31 if he takes it.
Scrap Iron
It won’t be the best offer he gets, but a 4-5 year deal at $35-40 per would be his best bet, IMO. Say it’s 4/160. At 31 he hits the market again and could still net another 4-6 year deal at the same rate (or more depending on league economic factors). Less years and higher AAV is better for the players and the teams.
SaintChris
How can it be the best offer when this article is expressly about the Tigers offering $275m???
stymeedone
Add that the Tigers offer is no longer on the table, and he has little leverage. If Story takes the Houston SS job, Correa might be the one left standing when this game of musical chairs ends. I just don’t see a team with a need and the budget and a willingness to sign him. There’s several teams needing a SS, but none without other options. Why bid against yourself?
seamaholic 2
There are loads and loads of teams that have the money to pay Correa $30m a year, for however long. You’re fooling yourself.
kodion
For 5-6 years. The list gets short in a hurry beyond that.
dpsmith22
well only 8 teams have a 30mil player and when the years go up, the list gets real short.
Libpwnr
Let them destroy themselves paying that dumpster fire who can’t stay on the field. If Correa were so great and such a coveted commodity, the Astros either wouldn’t have let him walk, or he’d be signed by now.
He’s overhyped, overvalued, and vastly overrated.
OneLoneGone
The Tigers offer is STILL on the table as far as anyone knows. If the team were to sign him Baez play 2B with Correa at SS. They don’t have anyone in the pipeline who profiles as a + performer at either position so the need is still there. They do have Schoop for another year and he can play 1B until Torkleson is ready. If they’re still in it at the halfway mark that’s a helluva infield with Schoop’s ability to play 1B and 2B. If not he’s tradebait
SportsFan0000
Astros didn’t sign him yet because owner Jim Crane(?) has a rule of not giving any player more than a 5-6 year deal.
The Saber-toothed Superfife
Point being, the player is asking for too much salary.
Come back to reality. Millions of guys across the world want the job. There is no need to pay anyone that much money other than using it as a promotional items for the team.
I hope no one signs him.
SportsFan0000
Did you even read the article and news about the offers Correa has received?!
Detroit already offered him 10 years 275M
kodion
I think the AAV is a bit low but the Astros’ offer set his market value, both term and rate. He will get (over)paid. By whom -and how much, on both term and $$$- is the question.
He has to double back for my guess to be correct.
Noel1982
Glad he turned down that crap offer ! He will get and deserves to get the same as seagar since he’s also inarguably the better player !
Bruin1012
I wouldn’t go as far to say that Correa is inarguably better then Seager.
In fact they are both the same age both have trouble staying healthy both are really good when on the field. I would say that they are remarkably similar players really. I would acknowledge that Correa had the better walk season but Seager was probably slightly better before the walk year. I guess what I’m saying is you are really splitting hairs between those two hard to argue that either is better then the other really.
Jean Matrac
Bruin1012:
I would say that Correa is arguably a better player than Seager. Seager is a slightly better hitter than Correa:
Seager 132 wRC+
Correa 128 wRC+
But there are miles of difference between the two with the glove:
Seager -17 OAA
Correa 27 OAA
Hot Corner IJ
Add in the fact that he cheated. He does not accepr any responsibility for doi ng so. His character is in question. This affects his value.
Cosmo2
It doesn’t affect his value with front offices, which is all that counts
Hot Corner IJ
It very well might have as the Tigers offered $275 Million over 10 years and no one exceeded it. The market is drying up and he very well could find himself with a smaller offer than what Detroit offered.
Cosmo2
No front office cares about the cheating thing. It’s all about performance. Only fans have a bug up their butts about this.
SportsFan0000
Correa, Astros players, his Manager, his GM, his Owner all accepted responsibility for what they did, apologized and moved on/.
Yankees and Red Sox did not apologize to the entire league and country for their many offenses,
No need to continue to cry about a few stolen signs.
Astros actually had a better record that year on the road where they did not cheat. So, cheating did really help them.
stymeedone
@noel
Are you going to pay him? Cuz I don’t see another team out there willing to do so. There may be a team or two that will jump in if they are getting a bargain, but you need at least two teams interested to get a higher price than Detroit offered. Bargain shoppers aren’t going to give him Seager or Lindor money.
SaintChris
Worse case scenario for Correa if he doesn’t land the monster, long-term contract he wanted is signing a super high aav short term deal, something similar to what the Dodgers offered Harper a few years ago. On a 3 or 4 year deal, he could approach $40m per.
Yankee Clipper
That’s just it though. The reason Correa wants the extended years in his contract is the same reason he won’t let anyone view his medical records without a substantial offer. He has health issues. He’s likely not going to be able to go to FA in 5 years, with great performance and get a great contract.
I believe he is worried about his future health and performance which is why he wants to be locked in for so long as opposed to the higher AAV for 5 years.
bumpin99
Id let him walk. Get the draft pick. Move Bregman to SS. Sign Bryant to play 3b.
cleve1969
Or … move Bregman to ss, Yuli to 3b and sign Freeman for 1b
OnlyRaysFan
No way they commit to Bregman at SS full time and Yuli 3B full time lol. Yuli is old af, I doubt he can do that with passable defense and they already have Brantley/Alvarez sharing DH so 1 of Brantley/Yuli/Freeman/Alvarez will have to be benched when Yuli needs a breather from 3B
stymeedone
They already let him walk.
dpsmith22
Astros would certainly have more roster flexibility with those moves.
beyou02215
I would not pay Correa 300 plus million through his age 36 (or beyond) season. Way too much risk to take on. You know that kind of deal is going to be considered a huge albatross within 2 years tops. I guess someone will walk the plank, but it would not be my team if I were calling the shots.
dpsmith22
you mean it will be as bad as Lindor? Pretty close I bet.
seamaholic 2
Mentioning the Pads signing of Machado is I think gonna be prescient. Not (obviously) because SD is going after Correa, but that’s the kind of situation he’s going to choose, perhaps with a 2 or 3 year opt out so that he doesn’t waste his prime with a bad team. But I can see someone out of the blue making a massive offer. Mariners have the money, so do the Twins, and the Giants, and heck so do the Cubs and the Angels and the Rockies.
Honestly, if I had to guess right now I’m going Angels. But any of those teams could jump up and grab him. And should. He’s that good.
Juiced Balls
I don’t think Angels will happen when an Ohtani extension would take priority.
stymeedone
Mariners have the money but have already said they are not moving Crawford off SS. Twins have never made the size commitment that Correa would require and traded Berrios because he was too expensive for them. Giants just resigned their Crawford, and have said they will avoid the 100MM contracts. Cubs are rebuilding and just traded away their big money players. Angels need pitching and if they spend on offense instead, their POBO may be looking for a job. The Rockies just dumped Arrenado’s contract, refused to offer Gray a QO, or extend Story. But keep dreaming.
nukeg
Angels fans would hold down Arte and light his porn stache on fire if he signed Correa and not pitching. No way the Angels are at play here.
Dorothy_Mantooth
It only takes one team for Correa to find his desired deal. I’m sure there will be one desperate club willing to meet his asking price, or at least close to it. I can see him matching the Seager deal no problem. If Philly can offload some salary, they are the perfect fit.
Mickey777
Yes Dorothy you are correct. It just takes that 1 team, and I suspect it will be the Phillies. Correa a very nice player, but as many others have said with his injury history paying him in that 310-350 range is a real gamble. One I certainly hope the Yankees will make. I could also see the Red Sox taking the plunge.
prov356
That’s why he’s a perfect fit for the Angels. We can over pay for him sit on the bench next to Rendon for 10 years.
hyraxwithaflamethrower
Astros offer is too low an AAV, but the years aren’t far off. They should go 6/$210. He’ll still be young enough to secure a decent deal after that if he stays healthy, but it minimizes the risk while maximizing Correa’s dollars in the short-term. Even with guys 26 and 27, I don’t understand why teams would sign up for 10 years. There are a few guys like Cruz who defy aging, but some guys hit 32 and fall off a cliff. Why pay for 4-5 years of crap production? I’d rather pay more per year to only get the good years.
Besides, few teams have a window that lasts longer than 5-6 years. You either have to manage brilliantly, like the Rays, or have super-deep pockets. The windows of several of the teams tied to Correa will only last through the good years.
Some of you will say you have to pay that extra money to get them to sign. I say let them sign elsewhere. Hamstringing the team for another $100M and three years after the player stops providing any value just saddles the team and keeps them from prolonging their window. There are other players willing to take a higher AAV on a shorter deal.
Hawkeye75
32 million AAV is too low?? Are you high or just stupid?
marinersblue96
Yes it is low. If a team offers less years they will need to have a higher AAV. If he is determined to get 10 years he will get a lower AAV.
dsett75
It’s a pride thing…..he can’t allow himself, or his agent can’t, allow himself to get so much less than Seager or maybe even Lindor.
stymeedone
How does being unemployed fit in with that pride thing?
PhanaticDuck26
Come on, he won’t be unemployed, you know that. Some team will meet his asking price, as always, no matter how limited his number of suitors may seem to be.
This exact conversation surrounds every potential mega-contract, minus a slight variation of the “he’s injured a lot” side of the argument. But no matter, he’ll get his money.
Hot take: MIAMI jumps in hard and tops the Seager contract.
dpsmith22
somewhere Stephen Drew needs a tissue.
dpsmith22
He has already made 13 million, he can sit out a year.
hyraxwithaflamethrower
@raltongo, now that *is* a hot take. Can’t see Miami throwing that kind of cash around. As a White Sox fan, I wouldn’t like to see this, but the Tigers make a fair amount of sense. Deep-pocketed owner willing to spend big, team just about to enter its window of contention, no legit candidate to block him. He’d fill a need for them and that middle infield defense with Baez would be terrific.
hyraxwithaflamethrower
I kind of understand the pride thing, but with a shorter deal, he could have the top AAV ever for a SS. High enough AAV on a 6-yr deal and he could still make enough on his next deal to surpass Lindor in overall money, especially if the game keeps growing and the economics keeps changing.
tigerdoc616
No surprise. Given he was rumored to be asking for $350M, there was no way he was going to accept the Tigers offer. And to the Tigers credit, they moved on quickly to get a pretty good SS at less than half of Correa’s asking price.
There is always risk in rejecting and offer that lucrative and it remains to be seen if he will in fact get close to what he is asking. None of us know what the new CBA will look like but doubt it will seriously restrict the top of the market. That isn’t Correa’s problem. What is his problem is the lack of suitors he might have after the lockout ends.
dsett75
I’m glad they did what they did. I just wish it was Semien, but Baez will do. I’d rather have 3 $100 million dollar guys versus 1 $300 million dollar Correa. And they can’t sign him now cuz they’d have to move Schoop to 1B, which leaves no room for Torkelson, who’s arrival is imminent.
SportsFan0000
If Tigers sign him,then they make room for him at SS or 3B
Baez would slide over to 3B or 2B
Rotating DH with lesser ABs for Cabrera(part time DH).
Maybe Candelario gets some Reps @DH, 1B and/or OF/.
cars
I believe until proven wrong, is that the Cubs purposely leaked interest in Carlos Correa to improve their lagging season ticket sales, so that they can claim they had interest, but weren’t going to go that high on $$ or years.
Sideline Redwine
Because the Cubs have trouble filling Wrigley even when bad? Do you remember what that place was like pre-2014? Always full! Regardless!
I like the “until proven wrong” caveat…because it is something that literally will not be proven (probably because no one believes it enough to debunk).
But sure. Everything is a conspiracy.
dsett75
Nah, they probably figured instead of Correa, let’s get a few guys for that money. Guy #1, Stroman.
seamaholic 2
Cubs ticket sales aren’t lagging.
kodion
I believe, until proven wrong, that ticket sales go up on the news, not the rumor, so this noise is unlikely to make a difference.
LebronHatesAsians
Hopefully the Phil’s sign is this tool bag and Cash can snag Didi with Philly picking up the tab and plug the SS hole for a year.
SportsFan0000
Phillies would have no motivation to “pick up the tab” for moving Didi to NY.
Yankees would have to send back some bullpen help.
Dtownwarrior78
Depending on how long this lockout lasts, someone will budge late in the off-season and give in and pay him somewhere in the general area of 10/$320M. I will give Avila credit as he saw they weren’t even in the same zip code as the Correa camp and quickly pounced on Baez. I know Baez has had his issues with the swing-and-miss, but if you look at the tweaks that JD Martinez made when he came over as a DFA from Houston and worked with Miggy and Victor Martinez, he figured it out and became a stud. Baez has mentioned he is already picking the brain of Miggy, one of the greatest RH hitters ever. And even if he can help him out a little, that will make him even better offensively with an already awesome glove. And if it doesn’t work, atleast it’s only 6 years. But I can see him flourishing in D-Town, and if Greene and Tork break camp with Detroit as expected, I’ll be extremely excited to see what we can do this year! Go Tigers!
dsett75
As a Tigers fan, I’d rather have 3 $100 million dollar guys versus 1 $300 million dollar guy. I’m glad they went lower, but I wish it wudda been Semien.
SportsFan0000
Greene and Tork will not break camp with Tigers.
Unless the service time rules change in the CBA,
Greene and Tork will not be in Detroit until Mid June at the earliest.
Hawkeye75
5 years for 160 is more per season than 10 years for 275. If a team is stupid enough to throw 10 years at him, they can have that albatross contract.
butch779988
The team that signs him will dearly regret it …..and soon…
Rsox
Exactly. Buyer beware. The Rangers will be saying the same thing with Seager sooner than later.
MiPatrick
Rangers have short term memory loss. They have totally forgotten Prince Fielder.
drfelix
And Arod contract, then sending a rod to the Yanks and paying half Arods salary. Rangers will never learn
PhanaticDuck26
right, you say that now, but I fully expect that you would be among the same group that, after years and years of mediocre signings on a losing team, would be whining about “cheap” ownership and their lack of big moves. So… which way is it? Because A-Rod and Fielder burned you, you just never do it ever again?
RodBecksBurnerAccount
One of the most overrated players in MLB. He’s good, don’t get me wrong, but in this golden age of SS, I wouldn’t put him in the top 10 at his position.
Darryl Rose
The only SS who is truly better is Tatis.
Correa is arguably the best defensive shortstop in the game and offensively is likely top 5.
Overall he’s second or third best in the game.
But as a yankee fan I hope they never sign him.
Jean Matrac
Darryl Rose:
I agree with your overall point, but think it’s not quite correct.
Defensively, Correa is about 7th best. In OAA, Lindor, Ahmed, Crawford, Simmons Baez, and Iglesias are better. Batting, Correa is better that any of them.
Offensively, Correa is 3rd behind Tatis and Corey Seager in OPS+.
Darryl Rose
@tad2b13
And that’s one defensive metric.
He did win the platinum glove this year which is for the best of the gold glove winners.
And if you found a stat that says Simmons and Iglesias are better defensively than Correa … It’s time for new stats.
They were both excellent shortstops in their day but are no longer elite. Correa is.
And it pains me to say it. He is my least favorite player in all of baseball.
Jean Matrac
Well, that one defensive metric is considered the most accurate yardstick we have right now. Gold and platinum gloves are the worst metric for who is the best fielder. Defense is the hardest skill to quantify, as old stats like errors and fielding % have proved to be misleading.
But if you want to look at other defensive metrics, fine. By Defensive Runs Saved, the next best stat, IMO, after OAA, Correa is still not the best.
Andrelton Simmons is the best by DRS with 197. Nick Ahmed still bests Correa with 82 DRS. Brandon Crawford was next with75 DRS. Correa is 4th with 67 DRS.
Admittedly I was probably wrong about Iglesias, as his skills seem to have eroded in the last few years, but it’s hard to know with the discrepancies between the stats. It is a good point you made though since what matters is recent performance. And over the last 3 seasons the DRS for the top defenders is:
Javier Baez 40
Carlos Correa 36
Nick Ahmed 24
But to be fair I looked at OAA over the last 3 seasons as well: Correa is tied for 5th with Crawford behind Lindor, Ahmed, Baez, and Simmons, While Correa is an elite defender, no matter what stat you look at, he still cannot be said to be the best.
dpsmith22
Story has outhit Correa in just about every year. Correa has had 1 season of a .900 OPS. Story’s career is littered with them.
FSF
No way the Braves are going to sign him. Their fans would flip if they gave him even $200M let alone $300M considering they’re balking at bringing Freeman back at $180ish. Besides Liberty Media is way too cheap to bite. Same for the Red Sox. Bloom is cheap, Henry is cheap. Ain’t going to happen though as a Yankees fan, I would love to see them get saddled with him for the next decade at $300M+.
The ONLY team I can really envision giving him $300M+ would be the Phils. Maybe.
JackStrawb
If you meant to write, ‘Bloom and Henry are too smart to give Correa $325m when they understood Betts wasn’t worth $365m to them,’ I’d have to agree.
dpsmith22
you do realize the Red Sox had the 6th highest payroll in baseball this year, right? Calling them cheap is ignorant and inaccurate.
RobM
Philly gets Correa; Angels get Story.
neurogame
Friedman: I’m thinking of making a 10-year offer to Carlos Correa.
Venkman : This city is headed for a disaster of biblical proportions.
Friedman : What do you mean, “biblical”?
Stantz : What he means is Old Testament, Mr. Friedman, real wrath of God type stuff.
Venkman : Exactly.
Stantz : Fire and brimstone coming down from the skies! Rivers and seas boiling!
Spengler : Forty years of darkness! Earthquakes, volcanoes…
Zeddemore : The dead rising from the grave!
Venkman : Human sacrifice, dogs and cats living together… MASS HYSTERIA!
Friedman : All right, all right! I get the point. I won’t sign him!
Fred K. Burke
They sign the Stay Puft Marshmallow Man instead.
dsett75
I’m surprised Avila offered 10 years!! As a Tigers fan, I’d rather have 3 $100 million dollar guys versus 1 $300 million dollar guy. They could still get Correa and put Baez at 2B, I suppose. Moving Schoop to 1B, but that leaves no room for Torkelson at some point soon.
JackStrawb
@dsett75 Sometimes GMs make offers they know will be refused because it can mollify a fanbase for a minute.
But, how much fun is it for a GM to have 30m a year committed to one player? It limits your maneuverability, takes away so many options…. Granted GMs do this kind of thing because they’re so often gone before the 10 year deals turn into absolute turkeys, but team owners should surely know better.
The best deals seem to be at the lower limits of salary (I’m still talking FA, not young, controlled players) and when those don’t work you should have the flexibility to shuffle those players around, cutting them almost at will when they fail.
Strange, but none of the big market teams appear to have put a half dozen members of fangraphs’ staff in a room, paying them 200k each for a year, and setting them with the task of reverse engineering how the Rays and A’s and Indians do it. Give me a significant analytics budget and that’s the second thing I’d do.
Samuel
@ JackStrawb;
LOL
You make some great comments, most of which I agree with. However……
I very much doubt that any employees at Fangraphs are making $200k a year, or that an MLB team needs to employ them to find out what the Rays and other small market teams are doing (as well as the Astros, Giants and what the Friedman Dodgers did until the past few years).
What the smaller market teams have learned is what you’ve written – spread the money around. It works simply because a position player only bats once every 9 hitters, a starting pitcher pitches once every 5 games and star reliefers generally pitch 60-70 innings a year. The strategy in todays MLB (which has been going on since Moneyball came onto vogue) is to hit foul balls to tire out the starting pitcher, get him out of the game when he hits 100 or so pitches, then tire out the quality bullpen pitchers until they can get to guys that should be pitching in AAA, and beat up on them to win the game.
In short – a team is only as good as its weakest link.
This has worked fine for the Rays, Brewers and others. As Buck once said, “deep depth”.
The problem the large market teams have is that they are not so much trying to win as selling entertainment – and entertainment needs celebrities. Rays. Brewers, A’s, Guardians, etc. players are not sexy – they’re just very good. The Yankees, Mets, Dodgers, Cubs – even the Padres – are selling stars. (The Red Sox were until Chaim – and you’ll notice the posts from Red Sox fans on here that ignore how well they did in 2021 and don’t understand why Henry is not demanding they overpay for celebrity free agents).
When I’m talking large market fans I’m not just talking those that come to the ballpark, I’m talking their TV-radio audience. If you moved the 2021 Rays to any of those cities would as many people watch them play on TV – a bunch of solid players being used in situations they can produce in as the team wins games? Or do they want to be titillated by their guys hitting long HR’s and their pitchers mowing down opposing batters via K’s?
Read the posts her from particularly Yankees and Red Sox fans. They know literally nothing about baseball – they always want to trade their garbage for other teams best name players – i.e.. celebrities. They think that wins. Then when they get the players and find they’re human, they complain about them. LOL
Winning teams can develop stars. But having stars does not guarantee winning teams. (Look how the Royals got to the WS in 2015-16 with guys that left and have done poorly with teams thinking they got impact players). The large market teams are selling stars / entertainment/ celebrities, not good baseball. They can’t afford to give that up, they wouldn’t generate enough money to meet payroll and expenses or get a decent TV-Radio contract.
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JackStrawb
Correa, pro rating 2020, averages 4.66 WAR per full season over the last 4 years, the usual horizon for projection systems.
That’s very good, but it’s hardly… Semienian. That’s he’ll be only 27 in his first year for you is great, but undermined by his inability to stay in the lineup., His injury history is already that of an old player—and why would you bet your offseason on its getting significantly better?
Just figure you’re getting a 27 yo who’ll give you 2/3 of a season, will be brilliant when he’s on the field, and leave you with subpar performance from his backup.
What does history tell us about players who can’t stay in the lineup?
That their durability usually doesn’t improve, that their performance declines faster than normal, and that they go from 110 games a season to 80, 50, then 0 much more quickly than more durable performers. Why would you offer Correa even 10/$275m? That’s expecting his next 6 seasons to be so much better than Baez’s next 6, that you’re willing to punt 4/$135 on Carlos’ shambling corpse in 2028-2031. The Tigers overpaid for Baez, but it wasn’t a terrible deal and it might actually go in their favor, however barely. They were lucky Correa passed on them.
The Astros did the smart thing. They offered Correa what he was worth to them, acknowledging that he’s unlikely to be a quality MLB regular as of the 2027 season. Their 5/$160m offer was hardly an insult, however unlikely he was to take it.
As for Correa staying on the field long enough to make the 8th, 9th, and 10th years of a deal like the one he was expected to get remotely worthwhile, no one actually believes that, meaning 10/$325m is really 7/$325m—which would effectively make Carlos Correa the highest paid player in baseball.
Who thinks his play warrants that?
Orel Saxhiser
Lengthy contracts such as those signed by Betts, Harper, and Tatis tend to pay for themselves in their first few years. That’s why billionaires whose primary goal is to make money give them out. They are solid investments, not “overpays.”
As for Correa, he’ll get his 10 years and be a significant asset to whichever team signs him. I’d gladly take him over a 31-year-old Marcus Semien, both on-field and otherwise. That’s just baseball common sense. Correa is the better player with more prime years in his future. As a Dodger fan, I’d be thrilled to have because he’d be an upgrade on Corey Seager and Trea Turner.
dpsmith22
well those ‘investments’ cause a rise in ticket prices so….let’s keep pushing for higher player salaries so us middle-class can get pushed out of going.
prov356
JackStrawb – ” meaning 10/$325m is really 7/$325m—which would effectively make Carlos Correa the highest paid player in baseball.”
I like your comment but that math doesn’t work. If he’s injured for the last three years, it doesn’t make his AAV increase. It just makes the AAV a horrible value whenever he’s off the field. But it’s the same AAV.
Assdribble_Cabrera
I will pay the $300M for Correa and the $160M for Baez. However, I will have to pay with Monopoly money, but I will throw in annual subscriptions to the Jelly of the Month Club!
OneLoneGone
Correa will sign with the Tigers in March for 280 mil over 8 years
SportsFan0000
That could happen.
OR Tigers could add 2 1 year team options at the end of the deal to satisfy Correa and his camp…options that they could decline if his production drops at the end of the deal.
OneLoneGone
Especially if there are enough incentives to pay out enough for him to earn an extra $20 mil over the 8 years which would then average out to almost $38 mil per year. He’ll get multiple buyout options after his 2nd, 3rd, and 4th years while still in his prime.
LordD99
Nah. He can do better than that contract.
wright0525
I agree. I think he signs with the Tigers. There is too much smoke not to be some fire. I like the 8/280 contract, with 2-3 options years, that can automatically manifest based on production. I could also see an opt-out at year 3/4, so he could hit the market again at age 30/31.
GarryHarris
Overrated!
Dale Murphy is a Hall of Famer
Correa is not going to be a wise investment. I hope the Braves avoid signing him. I think the team that signs him will regret it.
whyhayzee
If he moves above the Mason-Dixon Line, he will be North Correa. That just can’t go well.
not alkaline
My comment disapeared. Oh well. Funny one whyhazee. Tigers areout now. They have their SS. But I would love a solid #2 SP and a RP.
rememberthecoop
Look, Correa is a fine player but is he THAT much better than Baez, for example, that he’s worth more than double what he got? Defensively they are equals. Baez is the better baserunner and is more versatile, having played other positions like 2nd base. Offensively, both have power but Correa walks a bit more and hits for a higher average. But is that worth the difference between 140 and 350 million? Indonesia think so.
JoeBrady
Same story with Story. Correa is better imo, but is he worth 2.5x or 3x what Story is worth? Anything can happen, but I see almost no way Correa produces 2.5x as much WAR/year. Over the past 5 years, Correa has averaged 4.5 bWAR/year and 6.8 bWAR/650. Story has averaged 4.5 & 5.4.
Even if both signed 6-year contracts, it’s hard to see Correa being worth 50% more. If you have to add in another 4 years to land Correa, I see no way you get as much value.
Samuel
@ JoeBrady;
In this case results are not linear. Refer to the ‘Diminishing Returns’ theory of Economics.
A start-up business may invest $10k and make $2k profit. They expand with another $10 and make $4k of additional profit. They expand again but only make $1k of additional profit. They’re passed their “sweet spot” and are into Diminishing Returns.
But we’re dealing with competition here.
Theoretically there isn’t a big difference between the top teams in either league. So one impact player can push a team over the top. Consequently that player – in that circumstance – is worth quite a bit of money to one of those teams.
At this time is Correa worth his asking price to the rebuilding Pirates or Orioles? The Reds, A’s, Rockies, etc? Sure, he may be a gate attraction for a month or two, but those teams won’t suddenly be championship contenders. So when the initial glow wears off their fans will look elsewhere for entertainment.
But can he get a top 4 team in either league over the top for the next few years? Possibly. What do they do with the remaining years on his long-term contract when the rest of the team ages? Maybe eat some of the money, attach a prospect, and trade him to another contender…..if he’s still any good.
It’s not so much the money to me – it’s how it affects the team long-term. Cey Hey’s point is that the first 3 years pay for the contract. Maybe. Depends on how deep the pockets are of the contending team, and can they afford to be crippled 5-10 years out by a bad contract eating up a good portion of their payroll. What we see with the Yankees the past few years is that they committed to so many long-term contracts that they have to bring in guys like Odor to play 2B and move their 2B to SS – which he can ‘t play – because they don’t have the payroll space to bring in a decent major league SS.
not alkaline
Lol good one whyhazee. I dont think theres any chance Tigers sign Correa. They have their shortstop. But theres still a chance for a #2 SP. That would be awesome.
brockmire69
Best fits for Correa is either going back to Houston or potentially the Red Sox as a sleeper, he’s got a close relationship with Cora and Xander can slide over to second base which at this point may not be a bad idea.
The Saber-toothed Superfife
Ok…so 27 y.o. man is asking for OVER A QUARTER OF A BILLION DOLLARS…and there are labor relation issues?
Really, dude?
Sorry folks….America has gone stupid.
Darryl Rose
Few billionaires are stupid. If someone agrees to pay him that they have calculated he is worth it for revenue generation or their inherent lust to improve the chances of winning a championship.
I can’t see 350 over 10 for him but I also don’t have a billion to waste.
As a yankee fan I could plug my nose and deal with him wearing the uniform I’d he cost $180 million over 6 years but that isn’t happening and I’m totally fine with them not signing him.
I can’t name a player I dislike more except for the wife beaters.
Darryl Rose
If you dumb it down for a moment free agency is where one team over pays to the point where no other team would go.
There are no bargains.
Virtually every contract will not age well. That’s just the way it goes but that’s what you have to do sometimes to be competitive and if you are a basement dweller like Texas you have to pay even more to attract talent.
Of course Seager is an over pay and likely Correa will be as well. Wherever he goes the fans who get him will mostly be elated and every other team will say he’s injury prone, a cheater, glad we didn’t get him and that won’t age well. Such is the MLB circle of life.
And next year … It starts all over again
And yankee fans are getting ready to comment about Hal’s yacht thinking they are so clever and original.
Samuel
@ Darryl Rose;
I mostly agree with you on this.
But teams such as the Rays and Brewers wait for the frenzy to end, then sign some guys that are left for 1-2 years at a reasonable price that can help them.
emac22
There are always lots of bargains.
They don’t occur with the best players because anyone who can be the final piece to a contending roster is going to be worth much more than his normal value.
Bargains are were you always find them. In the bargain bin..
The key is using the top of free agency for your final piece or for another reason worthy of overpaying and the bottom to build talent and take some longshot risks.
Harry074
Correa is not a hall of fame type player. He is above average player for a 5 year window. He should of taken the Tigers money and ran to the bank. Ohtani and Soto, yes $350 to $400 million can set the market. Above average SS is not worth that kind of cheddar.
Strosfn79
What would make you say he’s “not a hall of fame type player”?
What is a “hall of fame type player”
It’s not a shortstop with 34.1bWAR a 127 ops+, over 300 extra base hits, 34 career post season extra base hits, and a platinum glove through his age 26 season?
That sounds pretty silly to me
Strosfn79
For the record of all shortstops who have played 500+ games
Only Honus Wagner and Willie Wells have more WAR per 162 games.
Wells 8.0
Wagner 7.6
Correa 7.3
A-Rod 6.8
Lindor 5.6
Story 5.8
Seager 5.4
Ripken 5.2
Larkin 5.2
Trammell 5.0
Yount 4.4
Jeter 4.2
I realize WAR is not a perfect stat but it’s inclusive of many aspects of excellence and convenient.
Darryl Rose
@Strosfn79
I don’t understand your list.Those aren’t the only shortstops who have played 500 games.
Or are you just showing the top 12. When you stated all it implied … All.
Darryl Rose
@Harry074
Dave Concepcion is in the hall. He played until 40 and accumulated 40 WAR, 101 home runs and 5 gold gloves.
I agree with you.
Cosmo2
Correa is definitely a HOF type player. He’s got a way to go, but he’s right on track.
Darryl Rose
Exactly!
SportsFan0000
Yes, Correa maybe a Hall of Fame Player.
And his playoffs and World Series performances are always at an elevated level and “clutch”.
Correa is a “money player” who is best when his team needs it in crucial games in the season, the playoffs, the WS.
coldgoldenfalstaff
Seems the best solution is Houston going well above on money, add a player opt out clause and performance based option years to get him closer to 10. He won’t get a better reception with any other fanbase.
#LCDad
Don’t do it, Arte. Pitching! Pitching! Pitching!
wbranger
I am obviously joking and know this won’t happen but the Rangers should sign Correa also. They still have money. They wouldn’t have much left after that for pitching but can you imagine that infield and lineup for the next several years?
lumber and lighting
I would take Story over Correa.Houston’s winning has Correa on a higher level for some reason.Baez money or Seager money?I love Seager but give me Baez money and use the rest on other areas of the club.
Darryl Rose
Correa is clearly better than Story. Both have their weaknesses but it’s hard to make an argument that Story is better. Better human being … Hell yeah. Better ball player … Not a chance.
Darryl Rose
Having re read your post I see I likely misunderstood you. And yes there is a logic to signing a Story or Baez for less money and having the savings to apply elsewhere.
nukeg
A Correa 10 year contract could get ugly real quick. I think $275M for 10 years was generous by the Tigers. I wouldn’t go near 10 years.
lumber and lighting
Put Story on the top of the lineup.When he’s on base 3,4, &5 hitters see more fastballs and pitchers are not bouncing 2 strike counts in the ground. I know of a guy who used to play with him tell a bunch of us that Story is an unbelievable athlete and his work ethic is off the charts.Put him in front of Ohtani,Trout,& Rendon and then you guys can tell me how Correa is 2x the player Story is.IMO put Story in Houston the last 5 yrs and the SS national narrative would be much different between the Two then it is now.Time will tell,my prediction is Stories numbers will be better from this point on and I believe he’ll have a longer career.
yankista
I believe this guy is the best SS available now…. but, the price is not right! Good luck, but not with the Yanks.
ElmerFudd
Opinion: Correa is nuts not to stay in Houston