The White Sox continued their aggressive approach to building a late-game relief corps, formally announcing on Tuesday the signing of righty Kendall Graveman to a three-year contract. The Sports One client will be guaranteed $24MM, the team announced.
Graveman spent the first few seasons of his career as a competent but unexciting back-of-the-rotation starter. A quality strike-thrower who induced plenty of ground-balls, Graveman ate a fair amount of innings during his 2015-18 run with the A’s. But he consistently ran one of the game’s lower strikeout rates, capping his overall upside.
That began to change in September 2020, when the Mariners bumped Graveman into short relief stints. The Alabama native took to his new role with aplomb, adding almost three miles per hour to his average fastball and performing quite well down the stretch. That was only a month’s worth of action, but it was enough to convince the M’s to bring Graveman back and install him in a full-time relief role in 2021.
Graveman was excellent this past season, kicking off the year with fourteen consecutive scoreless outings. He sustained his uptick in fastball velocity, averaging a career-best 96.2 MPH on the pitch. With that improved raw stuff came better results, as Graveman generated swinging strikes on a decent 10.7% of his offerings — his first season north of 8% in that regard. He struck out an above-average 27.5% of batters faced, all while maintaining his standout ability to keep the ball on the ground.
Dating back to his bullpen conversion, Graveman has tossed 66 innings of 2.05 ERA/3.17 FIP ball between Seattle and the Astros. He owns solid strikeout and walk rates (25.5% and 8.9%, respectively) in addition to a huge 54.9% grounder percentage. Opposing hitters have managed just a .181/.278/.256 line against him in that time, and Graveman has shown himself capable of thriving in both a traditional closer’s role and as a high-leverage middle innings type.
That level of dominance led MLBTR to project a three-year deal for Graveman entering the winter. The 30-year-old (31 next month) looks as if he’ll come in just a touch shy of MLBTR’s three-year, $27MM projection, but his deal falls right in line with the general area for high-quality setup types of recent offseasons. Will Harris ($24MM in 2019-20), Adam Ottavino ($27MM in 2018-19) and Joe Kelly ($25MM in 2018-19) have all landed three-year free agent deals right around this territory in recent offseasons.
The White Sox have invested heavily in their bullpen over the past twelve months, and today’s strike to land one of this winter’s top free agent relievers is the latest example in that trend. Chicago signed star closer Liam Hendriks to a four-year, $54MM deal last offseason, then traded for eight-time All-Star Craig Kimbrel at this summer’s deadline. Kimbrel struggled down the stretch after an otherworldly showing with the Cubs during the first half of the season. He remains with the White Sox after the club exercised a $16MM option on his services, but GM Rick Hahn has already acknowledged the possibility the Sox try to move Kimbrel this offseason.
Signing Graveman doesn’t necessitate a Kimbrel trade. There are plenty of high-leverage innings to go around, and one of Chicago’s best 2021 late-game options — Michael Kopech — is expected to compete for a rotation role in 2022. The Sox could still elect to roll into 2022 with a three-headed monster for manager Tony La Russa to deploy at the end of games. That said, the Graveman pick-up could give the front office enough confidence in the relief corps that they’re comfortable moving Kimbrel to address other areas of the roster, with second base and a corner outfield spot standing out as potential areas of need.
It’s also worth noting that Graveman’s deal could push the franchise into a level of spending with which they may not be comfortable. Chicago has never had a season-opening player payroll north of $130MM in franchise history, according to Cot’s Baseball Contracts. Jason Martinez of Roster Resource estimates they’ve already got around $168MM in 2022 commitments, though, even before accounting for Graveman’s forthcoming deal.
So while the Graveman addition need not force a Kimbrel trade from a roster perspective, adding that money to the White Sox’s already atypically packed ledger might foretell a money-saving deal of some kind. Moving Kimbrel’s $16MM salary elsewhere would seemingly be the most straightforward way to bring spending closer to the franchise’s previous levels, if owner Jerry Reinsdorf is intent on doing so.
MLB Network’s Jon Heyman first reported the agreement and the terms (Twitter links).
Image courtesy of USA TODAY Sports.
iverbure
So this guarantees a Kimbrel trade?
Benjamin560
Damnit!!! I wanted him back!!
Cmurphy
Right there with you. Hated they traded them. Was hoping he’d be back in an M’s uniform.
HBan22
I was thinking that the Mariners might try to bring him back this offseason, but they are already quite stacked on RHP relievers for next season. If anything they need to add a lefty like Andrew Chafin.
Gk_holiday
Me too Brother… me too. We got some solid dudes, but would like to add at least one more high end bp arm.
keysox
Five inning pitchers. Six – Bummer – seven – Graveman – eighth Kimblow- ninth
Liam
DanielDannyDano
For 1 1/2 times the cost of 1 year of Kimbrel, you get 3 years of Kendall Graveman. I’ll take that every time..
MLB Top 100 Commenter
Except they are stuck with both.
Maclunkey
Let’s hope so
CubsWin108
I’ll never stop laughing at that move…
DanielDannyDano
It netted you Nick Madrigal
mike127
and Cody Heuer.
CubsWin108
yea ik
tstats
Laughing at the white Sox
ChiSoxCity
I wouldn’t laugh just yet. Giving up Madrigal for a Kimbrel rental looks kind of gnarley right now, but let’s wait and see what they flip him for.
54scooterb
Gavin Lux?? Would the Dodgers let Jensen move on for a trade bringing back Kimbrel?
kellin
Thats not gonna happen.
Cmurphy
With his history, they won’t get much unless they get lucky with a prospect that rises unexpectedly.
ponytail01
Do you remember Eloy and Dylan? Who’s laughing now?
JohhnyBets67
Wait and see how it’ll end up looking worse. ChiSox got their pants pulled down.
keysox
Cubs suck.
JoeBrady
let’s wait and see what they flip him for.
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They aren’t flipping Kimbrel, if that’s what you mean. Who is going to pay Kimbrel $16M to be their closer, after last year’s meltdown? I’m guessing that it is more likely than not that he returns to some type of form, but it is too big of a gamble for the RS, for example, to take,.
ASapsFables
Bringing back former White Sox middle infielder Marcus Semien this offseason as a free agent to replace Nick Madrigal at 2B would appease southside fans even more. On the heels of the Graveman signing and for what it’s worth (lol!), Bob Nightengale hinted that the White Sox retain interest in Semien along with AL Cy Young Award winner Robbie Ray as potential FA additions this offseason: twitter.com/BNightengale/status/146327882948544921…
Anthony Princeton
I don’t think you understand player value or the value of relief pitching in today’s game. Many here appear do not. According to people that do understand, the White Sox could get a prospect or multiple prospects. Based on Fangraphs top 50 free agents and Steamer projections, Kimbrel would be the second best RP on the market if he was a FA.
In his “disastrous” second half of the season he still had a sub 4 FIP and a sub 3.5 xFIP with a K/9 of 14.79 and a K% of 39% holding hitters to a .200/.305/.400 slash.
CluHaywood
If the Sox get Gavin Lux from Kimbrel, then this world really is a simulation and our creators are playing The Show.
Gator50
I was looking at the Sox available ‘tax space’ for ’22 last week, and it implied that they almost HAVE to move Kimbrel. At least if they really want to make any more impact signings.
pt57
I remember Eloy and Dylan. I remember Sammy as well.
EMDSoxFan
Ah yes, Sammy the Cheater. I remember him. I think he is pumping gas with George Bell now.
IronBallsMcGinty
The Sox got one of the best closers in the game for a decent reliever and an injured player who has yet to play a full season or even suit up for the team who he was traded to.
That’s funny to you as a cub fan? Really?
MLB Top 100 Commenter
The Cubs got out of the burden of Kimbrel’s salary and picked up a couple of useful players. Great deal for Cubs. Reasonable risk for White Sox they just should not have picked up Kimbrel’s option unless they wanted to keep him.
mike127
Balls…the point is Kimbrel was that last piece to win a World Series….even if Madrigal never plays a game the trade was a failure for the White Sox.
JoeBrady
IronBallsMcGinty5 hours ago
That’s funny to you as a cub fan? Really?
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As a RS, I thought it was pretty darn funny.
CubsWin108
Kimbrel was one of the best closers in the game, until he got exposed like he did in 2019 and 2020, and we got back in that trade one high floor young controlable reliever who throws gas and a now healthy player who White Sox fans were giving praise as a future super star before he got traded, I laugh with joy from that steal of a trade.
CalcetinesBlancos
I think you meant to say “a now healthy player who White Sox fans were giving praise as a future super star before he got hurt yet again.”
I like him a lot, but expecting someone who has a yearly catastrophic injury to stop doing that as they get older is unrealistic. I root for my team and was happy to drink the kool-aid when he was with us, but now I don’t have to lol.
CluHaywood
Except it wasn’t a 1 year deal. Kimbrel is here for this year (for now).
EMDSoxFan
Go ahead and laugh….just remember who got Jimenez AND Cease from whom.
mike127
EMD—-and four plus years later what exactly have Eloy AND Dylan accomplished? More than Quintana….yep. Nice.
muzzachunka
But not as much as Sox getting Eloy Jimenez & Dylan Cease for Jose Quintana. For a while after that trade I kept looking for FBI on the Southside for that Grand Theft Larceny arrest on Rick Hahn. We will be thanking Cubs for many years from now
5toolMVP
I have a feeling Kimbrel will be an Angel closer if Iglesias signs elsewhere.
ponytail01
Only for Brandon Marsh.
5toolMVP
Good luck with that! Lmao.
MLB Top 100 Commenter
White Sox will be lucky to trade Kimbre for a bag of baseballs unless they put part of his salary.
muzzachunka
I love other teams fans chiming in on Sox. Must be a Twins or Indians fan
PeteWard8
Tony didn’t want Kimbrel. He will be gone soon enough.
Brass wanted Tony to close Kimbrel.
Tony stuck with Liam as he should have.
It was nonsense to trade for Kimbrel if they weren’t going to close him. The lack of clear communication pre-trade was terrible and that’s on Hahn.
David Barista
I think what’s really on Hahn is now replacing Madrigal at 2nd base…. Hernandez and Leury don’t cut it
CalcetinesBlancos
Hahn already had to replace Madrigal at 2B. That’s why he didn’t mind shipping him off.
CluHaywood
Leury could cut it. He’s proven to be a capable players, but there are far better options. He should be a utility player or an injury fill in on a playoff bound team, not a starting 2B.
PeteWard8
Yeah I love Leury but I got him borderline Top 35
of who I want starting second base
Decent bench guy plays hard
muzzachunka
Another White Sox front office poster in here. I also love fans who think they know it all, but never even seen or played in a baseball game
junkmale
Let’s hope so. He crash landed back to reality after the deadline.
JohnJasoJingleHeimerSchmidt
Unless the White Sox are taking on dead money or attaching Cespedes or Vera to Kimbrel, likely not.
Big Hurt
Everybody saying they won’t get anything for Kimbrel ‘unless they take some of his salary’. Correct. But they most likely will, so you are all saying they will get something good. Sweet, I agree.
muzzachunka
I’d prefer to keep him
Pete'sView
iverbure – That’s the first thing I thought when I read the news of Graverman’s signing. Of course the White Sox will need to eat part of Kimbrel’s $16+M.
ChiSox_Fan
No guarantee Kimbrel traded.
Let’s see how he performs the first half of 2022!!
ASapsFables
Kendall Graveman is a bullpen replacement for Michael Kopech who is expected to be one of the White Sox starters in 2022. The White Sox also need to fill the role that Codi Heuer had and then Ryan Tepera assumed as the result of deadline trades last July. Tepera became a free agent following the 2021 season. This signing might also be a prelude to a potential Craig Kimbrel trade this offseason.
CluHaywood
Wouldn’t mind exploring a Tepara reunion for a couple years. He was very effective down the stretch
to4
That would be stupid because the guy gave away Madrigal who had a lot of upside for that guy who’s career is approaching to an end in a few years.
ChiSox_Fan
We already knew this.
How about some new SOX rumors?!
everlastingdave
“At that price? Sure.”
-Some dude in Skyrim
Halo11Fan
Wow, what a pen.
Metsin777
Overpay, Gravemen had one good season in his whole career. The Whitesox are going to regret this
JohnJasoJingleHeimerSchmidt
For the second season in a row, Rick Hahn rushed out and paid way more than he needed for a questionable upgrade. Last year, it was Adam Eaton, this year, Kendall Graveman.
Graveman’s xERA is two full runs higher than his actual ERA, and the White Sox could have likely picked him up, or someone with equal production on a 2/16 deal or less.
Yankeepride88
It’s $8mil for a great reliever. 3 ERA is worth $8mil on open market
stymeedone
It’s only Heaney money.
tstats
When you look at it through Heaney got the same price, grave man is underpaid
Pete'sView
Freakin’ Dodgers crapped the market giving Heaney $8.5M. Ridiculous, based on Heaney’s past history.
muzzachunka
Madrigal never played a whole season yet…whats your point?
Priggs89
“ Gravemen had one good season in his whole career”
It’s also the one season he was a full time reliever in his career… Coincidence? I, and the White Sox, think not.
Dustyslambchops23
If they keep Kimbrel they might have chance at a 2015 Royals bullpen
mike127
Dusty—they just tried that a month and a half ago—-didn’t work.
downsr30
Yeaaaa problem is that Kimbrel was good on paper when the trade went down, and was horrible on the mound after.
ChiSox_Fan
So what?!
Kimbrel tired down the stretch.
COVID messed up a lot of players with the short 2020 season.
JayKay
I agree that Kimbrel might have tired down the stretch, but your COVID comment feels out of place here and unrelated to his struggles.
The guy was coming off a pair of injury-laden seasons that saw him post the worst ERA’s of his entire career. 2021 was his first full season at 100% health since 2018.
Part of me thinks that it might have been a mental thing, as Kimbrel has always been adamant that he be a teams closer.
Combine that with old man La Russa and you might get a stressed pitcher playing for a manager he might not like in a role he certainly doesn’t enjoy.
Franco22
Tony gave him many chances to show his stuff, he didn’t. These guys get millions to just do it whenever. Get off the Old man La Russa soap box.
msqboxer
No reason to trade Kimbrel right now, the $$’s aren’t hurting the CWS. I see them stretching out both Kopech and Crochet for 15 starts a piece in 2022. Pen will be Ruiz/Lopez/Bummer/Graveman/Kimbrel/Hendricks and spot duty for Kopech/Crochet..
DanielDannyDano
You have to deal from strength to address your weaknesses. Is there a team with a spare second baseman in need of a closer?
Rsk3228
The Phillies. We got a Didi that we can spare.
tstats
This is a realistic trade
ChiSoxCity
lol!
muzzachunka
DIDI??? I’d rather just sign Rougned Odor for peanuts and a malt
JohnJasoJingleHeimerSchmidt
No one is giving anything of value for Craig Kimbrel.
Unless the White Sox want Robinson Cano, I don’t see them acquiring a 2B for Kimbrel.
Big Hurt
@johnjaso looks like dogbone has competition for worst poster/troll on mlbtr. 20 posts on a white sox post hating on white sox is pretty pathetic.
thestatbook123
Why are White Sox fans so unbelievably defensive about how others talk about their team?
Seriously, if you’re not worshiping at Rick Hahn’s throne, they think you’re some sort of bad person.
Dumpster Divin Theo
They’re the same guy. Multiple screen names, lives in mama’s basement. Only posts on Sox threads. Lacks social skills.
ponytail01
Yes. Tampa, Philadelphia and San Diego.
bighiggy
Cardinals have sosa or dejong. Don’t have room for both and gorman and edman. See one of the 2 traded. Both could play second
pt57
The Cubs?
muzzachunka
Cubs need many years to even to be a middle tier team. Madrigal is NOT going to elevate Cubs back to an OK team
getright11
U mad bro?
mike127
The Cubs have a need for a closer and have a spare second baseman. Never mind…pretty sure the Cubs would never trade Madrigal for Kimbrel.
ponytail01
Have you ever seen Madrigal play defense?
tcav1222
He’s only played like 80 career games, he will get a hell of a lot better.. had a + glove when he was drafted. Don’t think he’s as bad defensively that everyone makes him out to be he will be fine.
tstats
Bote for Kimbrel
David Barista
A+ glove with a D- arm
Dumpster Divin Theo
Have you seen slappy run the bases, er run into outs? Comedy gold.
CluHaywood
I was on that train with you, tcav. But I jumped off it last year. I wouldn’t say he is a liability, but he isn’t nearly as good as he was billed with the glove. Or his baseball IQ for running the bases either.
Priggs89
“A+ glove with a D- arm”
So the answer is no, you haven’t actually seen him play defense.
muzzachunka
hell no…..Bote is a bum…Sox have already squeezed any juice Cubs had from them don’t need Botefly
David Barista
True…. His glove hasn’t been A+…. Lucky to grade him a B…. My point would be that he could improve catching the ball, but will never transform into an asset at the position with such a weak arm
Samuel
“Is there a team with a spare second baseman in need of a closer?”
@ DanielDannyDano;
If you’re talking Hendricks – sure.
If you’re talking Kimbrel – well, in 2019 the clock struck 12 on him. Somehow he got back in early 2021, than he took a dive again. Add in that ridiculous salary and it’s doubtful another team will take a chance on him, even if he has 2-3 goods months with the Sox opening the 2022 season. This guy can single-handedly eat up a contenders reserve budget and deep six their season. He’s radioactive.
muzzachunka
So far 6 teams are taking to SOX about Kimbrel as reported…It’s in MLB traderumors
Pete'sView
Giants: Donovan Solano (the guy can flat-out hit) or Tommy LaStella. But White Sox still need to eat some of that salary.
thestatbook123
Try “all” of that salary.
ChiSox_Fan
Exactly, “boxer”!
No need to trade Kimbrel.
angt222
Had him signing with the Mets..
jbryant0693
Not good news for Raisel Iglesias. He has a better history than Graveman, but I’m sure Iglesias’ agent would surely like to see more AAV than $8M after his client turned down the QO.
muzzachunka
HUH? What history? 31 year old journeyman
californiaangels
Angels could have gotten Graveman for the same price as Loup?? Why would you take Loup over him? Hmmm
MLB Top 100 Commenter
I would take Loup over Graveman. And I would take both over Kimbrel. I think the White Sox will have to pay half of the $16 million salary to trade Kimbrel and receive maybe a team’s (not overall) top 20-30 prospect in return.
Again, I have no problem with the White Sox giving up two interesting pieces to acquire Kimbrel. But based on the results, I think they should have declined his option if they did not plan to keep Kimbrel. They could do more with the salary savings than what they could acquire for Kimbrel in a trade at this point..
californiaangels
Would an Upton for Kimbral trade be so able? Money similar. Anyone have thoughts ?
JohnJasoJingleHeimerSchmidt
Yes, the Angels would gladly shave $12M off their payroll to take Kimbrel for Upton.
Oddly, I think we found one of the only deals that *doesn’t* completely favor the White Sox for Kimbrel
5toolMVP
How is the money similar?
Upton is owed $28m, Kimbrel $16m.
MLB Top 100 Commenter
Maybe he meant that Angels would pay the difference? Or at least he should have meant that!
User 2079935927
I do it in a heartbeat
muzzachunka
LMAO, UPTON. DEADMEAT…He’s cooked strikeouts 300 times a year (joke). A bag of peanuts to much to give for guy that hits 211 strikesout 107 times in 320 AB’s no thanks 34 yrs old too
TradeAcuna
Why do ppl want Kimbrel? He was ready to implode the moment Chicago called Chicago.
jdgoat
How did no other teams beat that offer? Great deal for the Sox.
JohnJasoJingleHeimerSchmidt
Because 3 years for Kendall Graveman is completely ludicrous.
5toolMVP
The Angels will be asking about Kimbrel if Iglesias signs elsewhere. 1year remaining contract is like the Arte special!
Hell Chisox might even eat $1-2 million to move him.
ponytail01
LMAO
JohnJasoJingleHeimerSchmidt
It’ll take more than 1-2 million to offset how bad that Kimbrel contract is. Teams aren’t going to drop 14-16M on a reliever who has been good for about 3 months out of the last 3 seasons.
There’s over a dozen relievers I’d rather see my team sign before paying Craig Kimbrel.
So unless the White Sox are taking on the majority of that deal (a la Alex Cobb) or attaching a prospect, there’s no reason for teams to do trade for him.
User 2079935927
I think the Angels will resign Igleasias for 3 years.
muzzachunka
you don’t own a team tho
The Baseball Fan
Great move, I’m happy. Kimbrel trade next
JohnJasoJingleHeimerSchmidt
Kendall Graveman, who is better than Craig Kimbrel just signed for 8M AAV.
Why, then, do White Sox fans still think *ANYONE* wants Kimbrel at literally double the price?
SupremeZeus
I don’t think many White Sox fans believe they would get any real value in a Kimbrel trade. Only the mouthbreathers and the Sox FO continue to peddle this wishcasting tripe. If Kimbrel had surplus value & there was great demand, then he would hold tremendous value to a White Sox team in their pursuit of a title.
IronBallsMcGinty
Be patient, it’s only November.
thestatbook123
Mouthbreathers and the Sox FO is redundant.
rgarr
Because Hahn has said he has spoken to teams and knows exactly what he can get for Kimbrel. And he would not have picked up the option if it was something negative or an exchange of bad contracts. He could have just declined the option. I would have thought for sure that Kimbrel’s contract had negative value, too. But evidently it does not. They’ll get something. Not much. But something.
JohnJasoJingleHeimerSchmidt
This is the same guy that rushed to sign Adam Eaton to an 8M contract only to DFA him in July, right?
The idea that because Rick Hahn made a decision, it’s fool-proof is hardly true. He’s a good GM, but he’s made some seriously questionable decisions.
Picking up Kimbrel’s option legitimately made zero sense. If he wants to return to Chicago, you can work out a cheaper deal.
But if White Sox fans honestly think that Rick Hahn picked up a 16 million dollar contract for a reliever, only to dangle him in trade talks, then I really have nothing to say that can help you.
muzzachunka
go troll your brewers
MLB Top 100 Commenter
I doubt it. But it is nice to see faith in a front office. But I still doubt it.
"Not" Rick Hahn
Best move of the off-season so far!
Astros2017&22Champs
This was a huge loss for us. We obviously concentrated too much on correa. 24 million for 3 years is a huge bargain if he keeps up his current production. If he falters the money is not an albatross. White sox fans should be thrilled. These are the types of moves that show your billionaire owner wants to win and not make money
jhomeslice
Um, no. The Sox were 55M behind the Astros in payroll last year with a 15th ranked payroll. It will take a lot more than spending 8M on a reliever to show that our billionaire owner wants to win more than make money. If the payroll winds up closer to 200M your statement would prove correct. Still might be a decent move, but the Sox need a lot more than this to bridge the obvious gap in talent between them at the top AL teams. Namely a 2b and RF.
ChiSoxCity
Pretty much nailed it right here.
Astros2017&22Champs
As far as payroll is concerned you might be right. But you shelled out big money for hendricks and acquired graveman for the pen. Most of your core are on rookie deals. Abreu isnt dirt cheap. Keuchel neither. Im not saying youve went all in but the white sox have as good a future as any team in mlb. I believe now is the time the owner goes all jim crane. The white sox have nailed their rebuild and are ready to win a championship. Madrigal was a crazy giveaway though.
ChiSoxCity
The organization (and fans) understands the roster is not complete. If they’re serious about winning a championship, they’ll have to spend more money on quality free agents. Otherwise, they’re just bs’ing. And trust me, Sox fans will know for certain depending on this offseason. If they stand pat, or sign a couple middling players to provide replacement level performance, that’s a wrap. The window will be effectively closed by 2023.
jhomeslice
You guys have been to the ALCS 5 straight years. As far as putting together a great roster, the Astros do that better than just about anybody. I wish we had your owner (or his willingness to spend at least), but hope you are right and that ours goes bananas this winter. It’s now or never.
jhomeslice
@chisox I agree. I hope that with the Bulls doing so well, that it motivates Jerry to want the same for the Sox. Bulls might not quite be championship caliber yet but they made serious upgrades, which is what the Sox need to do. Reinsdorf is up 200M the past year or so, not out of the question that he spends this winter for any number of reasons including being near the end of his life. Let’s hope so.
LaBalaDePlata
It’s a loss, but a huge loss? He had a great year and I hope he can continue his success, but I would bet on some regression. That money can be better spent towards other needs. Besides, unless the plan is to run a 6 man rotation or offload a starter, the Stros will have to move a starter or two to the bullpen.
muzzachunka
fans here right now just hasn’t paid much attention to what clubs been spending on players…good, bad & great….Money so high now….No signing is reasonable.
Dogbone
Yeah sure. I guess you wouldn’t want Wander Franco for 11 years at $185M? Probably cause Uncle Jerry won’t spend any money cause the fan base won’t support the team.
ChiSoxCity
Like a Cubs fan should talk right now? Embarrassing.
ponytail01
They must have forgotten about Dylan and Eloy.
stymeedone
Nice pickup for the Sox. I do like though how MLBTR notes how close they were to predicting him at 3/$27MM, a $3 mil difference. Yet when the Tigers signed ERod for 5/$77MM, only 10% off their prediction of 5/$70MM, MLBTR said they paid significantly more. I know I’m splitting hairs but I’m just asking for consistency.
Samuel
@ stymeedone;
MLBTR is not just one writer.
It would be impossible to have each one double-check what another wrote every time one writes an article.
This is as good a place to find out about MLB news as anywhere else – and better than most. If it wasn’t I wouldn’t be reading it…..probably you as well.
solaris602
Looking for CWS to lock up Kenley Jansen on a two-year deal next. If budget permits the next target will be Raisel Inglesias. More closers, more closers!!!!!
Astros2017&22Champs
Congratulations to the white sox. Astros made a mistake. I dont care how volatile relievers are. He has electric stuff and is a great guy according to everyone. 24 million is a miniscule gamble for his repertoire
astros_fan_84
I can see this as the White Sox trying to keep a player from the Astros. There will still be plenty of opportunities to add relievers.
Perksy
Damn, I picked him up in fantasy on the last day of the season hoping he would get a closers job in 22. Ah well.
kellin
He might., He had 15 save opportunities in 2021..
mike127
Nothing better than a Perksy fantasy team update on Nov. 23.
Perksy
Absolutely. A competitive keeper league.
Perksy
And if the player doesn’t involve the MLB team I root for then fantasy is the next best thing, and how said player impacts it.
jhomeslice
Hopefully turns out to be a good move, if he pitches like he did last year. His career resume is pretty poor prior to 2021. It’s a small gamble provided they have their sights set on bigger targets to fill out 2b, RF, and starting pitching depth. They still need someone with more of a chance to be a difference maker like Semien, Baez, or Castellanos.
soxitis
Conforto and Escobar
Priggs89
I wouldn’t put too much focus on career numbers since close to 100% of them came as a starter. His stuff plays up out of the pen; it’s legit.
muzzachunka
Graveman has a 4.14 ERA after years as a starter. He’s going to be OK. Not worrying about him at all. pretty good signing
Jordan 5
Damn great pick up for the Sox.
kellin
Those of you saying his stats dont show the value due to previous poor performance aren’t paying attention to the fact that he wasn’t a very good starter, but his stats drastically improved when he was moved to the bullpen..
Fred K. Burke
A most interesting signing by the South Siders. GM Hahn has more moves planned. Maybe something is in the works that could have been discussed during the GM meetings last month. Kimbel is the likely trade option here but who knows. Would they keep Kimbrel and move Hendricks? Hendricks would bring back more in return I would think. Would they keep Kimbrel, Hendricks and Graverman? Can’t wait for what comes next.
rotofool
Hendricks and Graverman are mates from Oakland days, who should form the best setup/closer duo in the game. Signing Graverman also weakens the Astros, which required adding the third year to outbid. Smart move, only cost money, not prospects.
Kimbrel still has value, and despite the $16M, has the advantage over Melancon, Jansen and Iglesias because it’s only a one year commitment. However, Sox might just hang onto him into the season and gamble on Kimbrel finding his spot in the bullpen.
muzzachunka
LIAM not going anywhere
maximumvelocity
What is it with Hahn and overpaying middle relievers?
These deal never work out.
Whifff
You’re right as always max velo because Alex Colume didn’t work out at all for Hahn, lol, lmao!!!!! Give me a break.
Samuel
Truth is that the bullpen is he most volatile component of a ML team. And of that, it’s the middle relivers / set-up men that are the most affected.
The quality ML pitching teams pretty much develop their own set-up guys by reworking veterans through the season. The article notes that “Will Harris ($24MM in 2019-20), Adam Ottavino ($27MM in 2018-19) and Joe Kelly ($25MM in 2018-19) all landed three-year free agent deals”. They’ve been decent, but hardly lights out. Loup just got a nice deal as well.
I’m not a fan of the Mariners FO, but I think they did the right thing not matching this for Graveman. Just before the rebuild the White Sox tried to put together a contender by signing veteran FA’s that had recently had good years. That failed, which is why they had a rebuild. If they can’t develop their own middle bullpen guys at a reasonable salary, then I don’t think they’re championship asperations will materialize.
HalosHeavenJJ
This is a guy I really wanted. Ground ball machine who has been really good as a reliever.
Angels & NL West
I was hoping the Angels could get Graveman for 2/$16 million. In hindsight, that wasn’t remotely going to get the job done. I have no interest in Kimbrel at $16 million.
cwsOverhaul
Something bold would be nice like trading from the “core” that can’t hit decent RHPs to get a legit lefty bat. Maybe Eloy or Vaughn. Club has enough slow/below avg defensive players. Squad needs a shakeup in versatility and speed.
MLB Top 100 Commenter
Pretty much tells the other 29 teams to stay clear of Craig Kimbrel.
Prunella Vulgaris
Just reverse the Cubs trade. Madrigal & Heuer back to the Sox and Kimbrel back to the Cubs.
IjustloveBaseball
Even entering the realm of record spending, the Sox aren’t really tied into any albatross, long-term deals. Their highest paid players (Abreu, Lynn, Keuchel, Hendriks — though his buyout is massive — Kimbrel, Grandal) could all be off the books following 2022 and ’23.
Kruk it
How about Kimbrelfor Segura?
ponytail01
That’s reasonable but Stott would be better.
MLB Top 100 Commenter
Phillies are not parting with Stott for a bad contract. But if the Phillies sign someone like Correa, Seager, etc. as an upgrade at shortstop, they might trade Didi Gregorius for Kimbrel.
Altuves Buzzer
If he gets less then $9 million a year I’ll
Have questions for jays on missing out here.
OilCanLloyd
Good signing. Quality pitcher in BP or spot start.
I Like Big Bunts
Dumpster Diving Rick.
lumber and lighting
Price of a quality set up relief pitcher is getting expensive.
dazedatnoon
I hope they keep all 3 relievers. Whoever mentioned KC bullpen during their championship run is exactly what I thought when I seen this.
dazedatnoon
Pony up the $$$ Reinsdorf!!!! Win one for Abreu!
lumber and lighting
Loups deal looks like a bargain.
MLB Top 100 Commenter
I think Loup will be better in 2022 than Graveman or Kimbrel, but the deal was not a bargain. I think Loup was reasonable, fair market value. Good acquisition, but not a bargain.
bassrun
Where were the Cardinals?? Asleep at the switch….
Franco27
So the White Sox will use another closer in a set-up role? What could go wrong! I don’t understand the obsession with multiple closers.
Pete'sView
Especially as it often backfires. Many Closers don’t fit when they’re asked to Set-up or pitch the 7th.
JohnJasoJingleHeimerSchmidt
I find that interesting, though. If your opponents 3-4-5 hitters come up in the 8th inning, a closer, who is used to pitching with high leverage, should be able to succeed.
I don’t understand the time specific limitation. If you’re clutch, you’re clutch.
hyraxwithaflamethrower
Nice pickup, but if Hahn doesn’t go big on a RF or 2B, it won’t get them closer to a title. Sox need to go all-in or just admit that they’re content being the best team in their division and nothing more.
rotofool
Sheets has to be the answer in RF. His bat, salary & character are perfect fits, while his defense will not kill the SOX since their staff should be among the leaders in Ks and limiting hard contact.
Starter depth seems the SOX greatest need, and I’d expect them to sign at least one lefty FA starter. Could they possibly outbid LAD and TEX for Kershaw on a two or three year deal? Bulls’ resurgence could easily fund his salary!
MLB Top 100 Commenter
I don’t agree. The Astros may lose Correa, the Red Sox lost Rodriguez, the White Sox are in the mix with just small acquisitions.
I just believe that the 16 million for Kimbrel could have instead been year one of a 5 year 80 million deal for Chris Taylor, which would have been far more useful.
15Step
RE: Sox never spent as much on payroll in their history…would it be worth providing context around that too? For example: White Sox we’re top 5 spenders in 2007 & 2008.
User 2079935927
Graveman was crying when he was traded to the Astros. Here he had a chance to go back to the M’s and he chose no too. I guess they were crocodile tears.
2001morecowbell2001
Well you know what they say. Time and millions of dollars heals all wounds.
msqboxer
I laugh at the Kimbrel lack of trade value posts: Even with his struggles after the trade he was the 4th best closer in the game last year with WHIP and Ks per innings pitched.
JoeBrady
He has -0- trade value. Just working backwards, which team will trade for him?
MLB Top 100 Commenter
No one will trade for Kimbrel in the off-season if the salary is 16 million. The White Sox will need to pay 8 million to do an off-season deal. Now if Kimbrel can pitch well for 40-60 games, maybe they can swing a mid-season deal.
Phillies, Padres and Angels might consider a Kimbrel trade if Whitye Sox include 8 million.
msqboxer
Any team in the NL that needs a closer at the deadline. You think if the Phillies, Mets or Padres have that need they don’t pony up to win their division? Of course if Kimbrel is pitching likes he’s capable of why would the CWS bother trading him. It would be like them doing a deal for an arm at the deadline that is owed $8M.
Chemo850
You laugh because you can’t comprehend the obvious. They literally just signed a better reliever than Kimbrel for half the price. Kimbrel has had a solid 3 months of pitching in the last three seasons. Nobody is gonna trade top talent AND pay for this guy’s contract. In fact, I don’t think another team would take him straight up for 16 million.
Franco22
The Sox did thats the point sparky.
pplama
Not sure Gravema and his huge ground ball rate is a great fit on a team that doesn’t use infield shifts.
muzzachunka
HUH? lacking in knowledge there…
MLB Top 100 Commenter
MLBTR estimated Melancon at 2 yrs/14 million, or 7 million a year. So if anyone will pay Kimbrel 16 million a year (which seems unlikely), they are not additionally surrendering a good prospect in the deal.
to4
I would just keep all 3
Graveman
Kimbrel
Hendricks
hyraxwithaflamethrower
If Kimbrel could pull his head out of his…darkness, then yeah, you’d have an absolutely devastating bullpen. I just don’t see how likely it is that he rebounds if he’s not in his beloved closer’s role.
Palehosed85
A fine signing by Rick Hahn to bolster the pen. However, this intensifies the discussion of what is to become of Kimbrel. Do the Sox keep him or do they trade him? A deal to acquire a second baseman would make sense, but how good of a player can we get? Teams will undoubtedly be torn between how he performed here and across town. Granted, the setup role isn’t his forte and he never should have been utilized that way. It will be interesting to see how this all shakes out.
Franco22
Great signing, Sox can get creative with trades now.
Franco22
What if by chance, Kimbrel turns it around . Sox have some trade clout at all star break.
CalcetinesBlancos
If the return they would get right now is basically nothing, your idea would be a much better plan. They might also be able to trade him for something they need at that point.
Franco22
Mariners and Rangers making interesting moves, the best teams are the ones who are solid up the middle. Catcher, SS, 2B, CF. Robert in CF is the only one defensively that the Sox can say that. TA can’t play 160 games like JP Crawford did in 2021 so I say trade him while you can for JP and it won’t cost what TA will want, with the SS’s getting 300M as a minimum. TA only played 120 games in 2021. Throw in Kimbrel and get Noelvi Marte or prospects Kirby or Hancock. Last resort sign Kyle Seager for 3B to move Moncada to 2B more power but doesn’t solve the defense problem.
msqboxer
First…TA is on a team friendly contract through 2024…Second TA has 3 straight years of OPS 800+ Crawford 0 Third most of TA’s errors are on balls most SS don’t get to and their throwing errors and LAST the CWS don’t need any more prospects or to trade Kimbrel, they just need full seasons from Robert and Jimenez.
nentwigs
MISSED IT BY THAT [ = ] MUCH !!
According to informed sources, The Marlins were in on Kendall Graveman right up until he signed the deal to join the White Sox.. The Marlins made a “strong” offer, but not one that matched the White Sox’ financial commitment. The Marlins weren’t the only team to be outbid.
The Minnesota Twins had also been linked to Graveman.
davepond88
Was hoping to see Kendall in KC. Great guy – all the best!
crazybaseballgal
Graveman was great as a Mariner – a team leader and amazing in late innings. We now need a LHP for the bullpen. Chafin gets my vote