The Red Sox announced Monday morning that they’ve exercised a club option on manager Alex Cora that covers both the 2023 and 2024 seasons.
“I am beyond grateful for this opportunity to manage the Red Sox,” Cora said in a statement within this morning’s press release. “We experienced so many special moments as a team and as a city in 2021, but we still have unfinished business to take care of. I am excited about the current state of our organization and eager to continue my work with our front office, coaches, players, and everyone who makes this such a special place.”
Cora returned to the Red Sox dugout after a one-year absence that came about after he was banned from the game for a year after commissioner Rob Manfred’s investigation into the Astros’ 2017 sign-stealing scandal. Cora, the bench coach in Houston that season, was determined to have played an integral role in putting together the team’s trash-can scheme. The 2018 Red Sox, managed by Cora, were also investigated by Manfred for improper usage of the video review room. That investigation stripped the Red Sox of a draft pick, but replay coordinator J.T. Watkins was the only employee punished; Manfred’s announcement of Cora’s punishment stated that the one-year ban was due solely to his role in the 2017 Astros scandal.
The Sox temporarily elevated Ron Roenicke to manage to club in 2020 and conducted a “search” for a new manager last offseason that seemed largely for show. The Red Sox conducted a handful of other interviews, but Cora was seen as the favorite from the outset and was ultimately returned to his prior post as soon as he was eligible.
Regardless of one’s thoughts on Cora’s history, the success he’s had as Boston’s skipper is reflected in an outstanding 284-202 record. Managers are evaluated based upon far more than wins and losses in today’s game, but a .584 winning percentage and a World Series title in his first year on the job in 2018 are both surely driving factors in today’s decision. The 2021 Red Sox, in particular, weren’t expected to be World Series contenders, but they nevertheless won 92 games and made a deep postseason run, culminating in a 4-2 ALCS loss to the Astros.
“Alex’s leadership of our staff and our players was critical to all that we accomplished in 2021,” chief baseball officer Chaim Bloom said in a statement of his own. “Along with the entire Red Sox front office, I am excited for many years of continued partnership as we work together to bring another World Series trophy to Fenway Park.”
Yankeesniper
Like hiring Al Capone to keep an eye on your money.
GaryWarriorsRedSox
Says the guy who works for the IRS, the most criminal outfit in the history of the world.
stollcm
Says the Congressman who pass the laws the IRS enforces.
ohyeadam
Says the lobbyist who actually wrote the bill they passed
Fiverz12
Says the billionaire that funded the lobbyist org.
stollcm
Says the average working person that lines the pockets of said billionaires.
CubsWin108
Says the illuminatial WHO CONTROLS EVERY GOVERNMENT AND ALL THE BILLIONAIRES AND EVERYTHING ELSE.
stollcm
Was wondering how this was going to end..ha!
terrymesmer
If by “criminal” you mean they don’t apply the laws to rich people, I agree.
to4
Lol
san888
You’d love him if he were your Manager. He took accountability for his action.
rememberthecoop
Terrific manager.
SoxRewl
Best in the league. So glad to have him, I hope he manages for the next 30 years for us.
deweybelongsinthehall
Best? There are a few others who you can argue. Such is subjective. Considering he really wasn’t penalized in 20, he has one championship in four years (and an AL championship series) to his credit. Not bad at all but he’s not alone and the stench of 17 still has an aroma today. I like him but I wish cheaters were penalized more. Same reason why I would not vote for Clemens, Bonds, Papi, etal. Last chance for the voters to do the right thing and elect Schilling. He’s a knucklehead or worse as a person but on the field, he was HOF material.
miltpappas
Schilling’s a knucklehead why? Because he doesn’t chant the mantras of CNN?
deweybelongsinthehall
Wrong forum to be political. Apologize for starting it but he did leave RI holding the bag for his company, just to name one thing. perhaps that makes him smart in your book but not in mine.
Fever Pitch Guy
The stench of 2019 was even worse.
At least in 2017 he was trying to win.
deweybelongsinthehall
integrity counts in my book. Imagine cheating in golf. Too much money, greed and ego. We need penalties so people won’t try to cheat so records again mean something.
Yankee-4-Lifer 75
Terrific cheater.
GaryWarriorsRedSox
Yankees would give their left nut for a capable manager. Shouldn’t have fired Joe Girardi. Much respect for that man.
Yankee-4-Lifer 75
@GaryWarriorsRedsox- I’d give up the right nut to get back Joe Girardi also. Aaron Boone is definitely not in the same class. The Yankees should of fired Ca$hman instead.
bucsfan0004
Its a shame Cora got caught up in that Astros nonsense, because he really is the best manager in baseball.
Ww0907
You mean like when he helped orchestrate it? That kind of “caught up”.
bucsfan0004
Orchestrate? Meh, it would have all went down in Houston with or without Cora. “El jeffe” was Beltran, a bench bum who wasn’t good enough to play anymore.
KD17
bucsfan – Nice rationalization. He was the bench coach and orchestrate is the exact word to describe his behavior in Houston and Boston. Not smart enough to come up with the idea just devious enough to implement it!!
Real class act!! hahaha
Makes me want to puke every time the camera zooms in on his sinister face. Wish his sentence would have been to wear a shirt at every game with CHEATER in big print so NOBODY forgot what an embarrassment he is to the game.
bucsfan0004
@kd17
Not sure what team you follow, but i’m willing to bet you’d take Cora as your manager. If you think Cora orchestrated whatever was going on in Houston, that is absolutely 100% revisionist history. Complicit? Yes, absolutely, and he was punished appropriately. You wrote 3 paragraphs – i know its fun to capitalize trigger words, but just read the extensive facts on the subject from 2019.
Ww0907
So by that logic, you saying it wouldn’t gone down with or without him, then Altuve, Correa, and Bregman shouldn’t be booed. At least not nearly as much, considering that Beltran was El Jefe of the scheme. Remember, it wouldn’t happened either way, right?
Ww0907
And yes of course I’d take Cora over Dusty Baker. Cora is a fine manager, look at Boston with him, the year he was gone and then when he returned. I’m in no way arguing that Cora is a bad manager, just as nobody is arguing that Altuve and Correa are bad players. But they’ll forever be involved in the cheating thing. Did other teams do it? I’m sure we weren’t alone in it but we got caught and our trophy is stripped in the minds of many fans. Lost our GM and AJ Hinch. Side note: I notice the Tigers hired AJ like…the day after he became eligible. The blue jays paid Springer a lot and someone will pay Correa the state capital to play shortstop for them. Front offices don’t care about the scandal, even if fans still do.
KD17
bucsfan0004 – I would never take Cora as a manager. NEVER. His two cheating events would not allow me to play for him and I’d ask for a trade. It’s despicable what he did and got away with.
Cora has gotten SO SO much from baseball and what he gave back is a complete insult to the game and all who have played it and love it. He’s a disgrace and will die a disgrace to the game no matter what he does in future years.
bucsfan0004
I don’t boo those players. They cheated during the season they happened to win. You can look up the games, innings, and even specific pitches of at bats where they cheated. Been discussed at nauseam, but people generally prefer to be ill-informed because thats what popular these days.
Yankee-4-Lifer 75
@bucsfan0004- Still the best cheater.
BloodySox
So what if he’s a cheater. Do something
DarkSide830
“caught up in” c’mon now that’ a bit naïve
User 4245925809
Sour grapes it looks like from cpl posters with “yankee” in username. Not indicative of all their fans of course, but the fanboy ones.. Like all teams have who know nothing, except hate on anything from other teams, even one of the best managers in the game and deep down know they themselves would LOVE to see managing in NY.
Yankeesniper
could you suck up anymore?
He didn’t just rob the Yankees, he cheated every team in the AL west, he cheated every team in the postseason including the Red Sox.
Yet he is given accolades while Pete Rose continues to be ostracized.
You would make a great little league coach. “hey kids, cheating is the name of the game”
Yankee-4-Lifer 75
@Yankeesniper- I ONLY care about the Yankees. That’s all, sorry to break that to you.
DarkSide830
man you Yankees fans could use to chill out a bit sometimes…
butch779988
How wonderful
Salvi
Yankees were caught up in same cheating scandal. True details were never revealed. Or did you forget. Priceless, that the fans of the biggest cheating team in history, are whining the most.
all in the suit that you wear
MLB found no evidence of illegal sign stealing after investigating the 2018 Red Sox for months. I recommend people read the original accusation article by The Athletic and then read MLB’s investigation report. You will be shocked to see that MLB admitted they “largely do not have direct evidence” of illegal sign stealing. MLB found no evidence after months of investigation and made “inferences” (which are guesses) to conclude the Red Sox cheated. Nothing in The Athletic’s article was confirmed. Don’t take my word for it. Read for yourself. I can only guess that MLB chose to reach a conclusion based on speculation so they wouldn’t look dumb for opening the investigation. This was very unfair to the Red Sox and Red Sox fans.
JoeBrady
LOL! I don’t carry grudges, but if there is one team in BB that shouldn’t be playing the ‘cheating card’, it’s the NYY.
Good move by the RS. FWIW, I have no problem with people having a problem with Cora, but he is really good.
Yankee-4-Lifer 75
@johnsilver- …and still a cheater…
whiplash
Yankees are worse. Can anyone say steroids? Sealed letter?
Yankee-4-Lifer 75
@whiplash- there really is no proof of what your saying. Sorry pal.
whiplash
No proof? Mitchell report wasn’t enough? You Yankees fans are officially the worst. arrogance and just plain stupid. “Don’t unseal the letter judge, it would cause reputational damage to the organization.” Still not enough proof?
Yankeesniper
Betting money Correa ends up playing for the Red Sox.
Obviously, the organization has no problem adopting the motto “if you can’t beat them, cheat them.”
Yankee-4-Lifer 75
@Yankeesniper- yes Correa playing for the Red Sox would be fitting. My guess he signs with another cheat though. AJ Hinch in Detroit. Since cheaters like to get back together. It’s never enough the lst time.
Yankeesniper
Maybe, they had lunch together, probably stiffed the billed.
Old habits are hard to break.
Yankee-4-Lifer 75
@Yankeesniper- yes once a cheat, always a cheat! Just more cheating!
whiplash
So I guess more steroid users on your team? Someone needs to check Stanton and Judge. Once a cheat, always a cheat. I hope your reputation is still fine after the letter gets unsealed. Karma is a B.
GaryWarriorsRedSox
Yank for life, that goes against all forgiveness and coming forward and apologizing and saying you’re sorry. None of that counts in your life? Sorry to hear that, many people deserve Second Chances.
vtbaseball
Does saying sorry after you’re caught cheating really mean anything though? Sorry that they got caught beyond that it’s just lip service. Second chances are fine but not he should’ve been given it in a different profession. If he had any honor he would have stepped away from the game.
whiplash
Did Clemens, Pettitte, Giambi, ARod, Stanton walk away? No, not even a sorry they got caught. Look in the mirror.
Yankee-4-Lifer 75
@whiplash- a lot of Red Sox we’re mentioned in that Mitchell Report also. I believe Big fat slob Papi will be going to the Hall of Fame? What a disgrace. There was no bigger juicer than him. Another black eye for baseball. But Cora’s the best cheating manager ever. Absolutely.
Salvi
Big fat lie: “No bigger juicer than him”. How did he pass for years then? Manny Ramirez got caught repeatedly, yet somehow Papi is a ‘bigger juicer’?
Papi got reported to be “mentioned” in Mitchell Report.
1) Theres no proof he was in it, since Mitchell Report was never published.
2) Many drugs were legal when ‘confidential’ testing was done, that were lumped into the same steroid catergory. There was no fine tuning, no sorting, since it was a experimental test
3) Papi was never given any right of a appeal, nor grievance procedure.
All you got is Papi may/may not be on Mitchell Report. He may/may not have tested positive for a drug that may/may not have been illegal at the time. Papi’s has always denied it and without any proof. You got nothing.
Yankee-4-Lifer 75
@dennyd- yeah smart guy the judge with the Mitchell Report was a Red Sox fan. So do your homework. You really think Big Papi wasn’t doing steroids? Lol. He was probably getting them from Manny. The majority of the Red Sox players were using. That’s a fact.
whiplash
So it’s okay now to have used steroids? Since all teams were using them? I guess we should forgive all the Yankee teams that used steroids. From the owner to the training staff, they all knew Yankees were using but didn’t tell no one. The whole organization stole rings and ruined careers. No different from the Astros cheating. Just look in the mirror for once and be honest to yourself. All teams cheated, one got caught. Most players used steroids, only a few got caught and they were mostly all Yankees.
deweybelongsinthehall
People like Dwight Evans got overlooked because stats became cartoonish when he was still on the ballot. One HR has kept Fred McGriff out. The HOF has lost its luster. Does anyone still watch the ceremonies?
JoeBrady
deweybelongsinthehall
People like Dwight Evans got overlooked because stats became cartoonish
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Dewey got overlooked because many sports writers know very little about real baseball. Defensive players often get overlooked, because the writers only look at HRs.
Walker was a better hitter than Vlad, using OPS+ accounting for the years he spent in Mile High, and 10x the fielder. Vlad got in in his 2nd year with 92.9%, while Walker had to wait 10 years.
Carew had a career OPS+ of 131 while Grich had a 125, but was a much better defender.. I think, and always thought, that Grich was a better all-around player, but I wouldn’t argue it either way. But Grich getting 2.6%, once, and Carew getting 90.5% in his first vote, is ridiculous.
And my current favorite-Reggie Smith was better than Dewey, Vlad, etc. Reggie’s OPS+ was 137, while Dewey was a still very good 127. Dewey had more GGs, but Reggie had the misfortune of playing the same position as Blair, who was as good as anyone ever. One of my go-to stats is WAR/650 PAs. A quick lookup, and kind of standardizes regular careers to this playing until 40.
Reggie 5.3
Gwynn 4.4
Raines 4.4
Vlad 4.3
Puckett 4.3
Evans 4.2
Dawson 4.0
Reggie Smith is way better than a lot of HOF players, and I’d get half the writers today know almost nothing about him.
baseballguy_128
Hinch knew but didn’t do anything he didn’t participate
Yankeesniper
hey dopes a player cheating is not the same as an entire organization cheating.
Like trying to compare an unscrupulous stockbroker like A-Rod to the wolf of wall street Cora who ran an entirely crooked brokerage firm
Nice try, but you fail. There is no leverage you can use to let your conscience off the hook.
GaryWarriorsRedSox
You forget your whole team was part of the steroid era. Short memory?
whiplash
Giambi? Clemens? Pettitte?
sambino
syndication.bleacherreport.com/amp/175226-the-majo…
sambino
Everyone who thinks the Red Sox players never took steroids please see the above link which shows Former Boston Red Sox player and current analyst and reporter for Comcast SportsNet New England, Lou Merloni, claims that Sox management taught players how to use steroids during his tenure with the team.
whiplash
It was league wide. But to call others cheaters when the whole league was doing it, is ignorance.
Eatdust666
Absolutely!
bobtillman
A no-brainer. I don’t know if AC is the “best manager in baseball”, but he’s shown enough to be in the discussion, He paid his time, admitted everything (not everybody has), and in general acted very responsibly. In our country, once someone does those things, the slate is clear.
Yankee-4-Lifer 75
@bobtillman- yes absolutely. The best cheating manager in the game! That’s fantastic!
GaryWarriorsRedSox
Wild card game loss sure hurts doesn’t it?
senior52
More reason to hate the sox.
BloodySox
Yes please do
Yankee-4-Lifer 75
@senior52- does anyone out there really like them? Smh
vtbaseball
Boooooooooo! He should’ve been banned. Pete Rose and Shoeless Joe should be reinstated if these guys are allowed to manage.
When it was a game.
I don’t believe the 3 should be banned. Rose and Jackson payed the price. Cora the same. Let’s move on. Think bans should be for players who can’t learn there lesson. Multiple domestic violence or steroid violations.
jhiphop
Pete Rose is disgusting and should just stay away and remain banned. sports-yahoo-com.cdn.ampproject.org/v/s/sports.yah…
Bobby boy
One need only to read the Dowd report. Pete was my favorite player as a kid. Absolutely loved the man. Please read the report.
deweybelongsinthehall
Rose is a disgrace today who is still trying to get rich quick Jackson though should be considered. From what is out there, what exactly was he proven to have done? His WS play that year sure looked like he tried to win. The thing is with sports married to legalized gambling today, there will be another black eye incident sooner or later. Hopefully not in MLB.
Yankee-4-Lifer 75
@grnmtbaseball- I agree with you 100%. Best comment of the day!
vtbaseball
And I’m a diehard Sox fan of 50 years.
BloodySox
I agree. Best comment of the day! Reinstate Rose and Shoeless Joe.
ohyeadam
Why is Carlos Beltran the only guy wrapped up in the trash cans who can’t get a job anymore? Hinch and Cora sit out a shortened season and get to come back like nothing ever happened. The players all get off without even a slap in the wrist.
HalosHeavenJJ
Alex Cora fits perfectly on the franchise of Papi and Manny.
GaryWarriorsRedSox
How’s the view down there? I’m surprised you can see that far away from 2001…
HalosHeavenJJ
When you try to talk smack and get the year wrong.
BloodySox
Angels should cheat more. They can’t seem to win any other way.
GaryWarriorsRedSox
No that’s the right year. Angels didn’t win in 2001 either LOL
Yankeesniper
there are guys in the baseball system who have paid their dues, done everything the right way, who have to wait their turn because of a convicted cheater like Cora?!
makes me want to puke…..preferably on a Red Sox fan.
DarkSide830
stay classy Yankees fans. stay classy…
bucketbrew35
I see many don’t understand the concept of time served. He served the punishment handed down by Manfred. Should it have been harsher? Yes, most likely. But that’s what he was given and he served it.
JoeBrady
When all those guys on the Yankees got caught using PEDs, I was fine with them returning after they served their sentence. I think the NYY fans are still upset we beat them in the WC game.
Yankee-4-Lifer 75
@JoeBrady- that’s funny there were no bigger juicers then Big Papi and Manny Ramirez. Ramirez body doesn’t even make Testosterone anymore. Lol. Not bitter about the WC either. You guys always beat Cole. I want Scherzer now. Lololololol!!!
User 4245925809
It’s been brought up 100x already, but maybe needs bringing up again that only manager, coaches and FO people with Houston were suspended. NO players, who were 100% equally as culpable and should have been suspended, regardless of any union whining, or them complaining.
One more thing with regards to steroids have seen on this topic multiple times in error by a couple people.. Ramirez’s juicing was in LA FACTUALLY. Did he in Boston? Who knows, but since he admitted after he retired even doing it in LA and never in Boston, I doubt he did.
Ortiz? Who knows. “said” to be on a list of multiple players which never became public, which has never came out and we know how some are when they get an itch to make something so from just hoping.. News was full of it about a certain trial which just ended as 1 example.
Not like multiple definite guys who served suspensions for use, but then maybe one day that list will become public.. Who knows.
HalosHeavenJJ
Ortiz flat out said he gets his test results in the mail all the time. That only happens if you’re in the program and testing positive. He also used the same steroid dealing doctor A-Rod did.
His head didn’t double in size naturally.
Manny got caught in LA. That’s all he’ll admit to.
KD17
Seems like a bigger waste of time to discuss steroids since they had no impact on the game and the cheating scandal directly impacted up to 90 games and no longer gets the press it deserves..
Look up the history of the juiced ball if you want to explain the improperly named Steroid Era. It was the Juiced Ball Era III. The 1920s, the 1950s, the 1990s and the late 2010s/early 2020s. Those are the time periods when home runs jumped in quantity due to changes in the composition, storage and pre-game preparation of the baseball.
The steroid era relates only to a drug that first appeared in baseball in the 1970s and somehow 20 years later got the blame for an onslaught of home runs caused by the ball. If steroids were the real culprit then home runs should have steadily grown over the 20 years and they didn’t. In fact they didn’t even grow during the 1990s and early 2000s other than what can be explained by the juicing of the ball.
The data shows no impact from steroids. It’s much ado about nothing and thanks to Selig a generation of players were tarnished for what the MLB did in sourcing their baseballs!!
all in the suit that you wear
Ortiz failed a test in 2003 and MLB would not tell Ortiz what he tested positive for. It may or may not have been steroids. We don’t know. Manny never tested positive for anything in Boston. Those are the facts. Assuming you know something when you don’t is irresponsible.
Salvi
How do steroids have “no impact”? If a team is taking steroids, and they play a team that isn’t. The game is effected.
KD17
dennyd – No measurable impact. Taking any substance whether it’s steroids, cocaine, amphetamines, coffee, tobacco or even Red Bull impacts a person’s system. The question that must be answered is how do you relate it to performance. If Red Bull awakens your senses do you therefore hit the baseball better? Are you faster on the bases? There is no way to answer that question so there is no way to know if the use of specific substances changed the outcome of any specific game. There are also so many other considerations when it comes to steroids and it’s impact. The timing of taking it, the dosage, the rate in metabolizes. If you take it right before an at bat is that too late or right before you pitch an inning. All that can be concluded is that there is no measurable impact during the course of a game. So that leads to measuring it as a whole.
In the case of the Astros, the process is well documented and you can hear the cans being banged and you can literally count the hits that happen during the game after the banging of the can. That links the action of cheating to specific outcomes.
With steroids, it was a double edged sword. They were banned to help stop the side effects from happening to players. It was a safety issue. How did the steroids help in any at bat? There is no way to pinpoint the impact and there is no way to know if it was positive or negative. Also, since both pitchers and hitters were taking them what was the net impact on any at bat which led to a net impact on the game results. Steroids were declared cheating based on theoretical reasons not empirical evidence. It wasn’t so much the proof of impact that fans cared about it was the idea that players were trying to gain an edge and make more money by taking them. That’s why it’s so personal for some people. It’s not about how many more games the team won, it’s about an individual attempting to get an advantage over another player. When you take that concept and realize that steroids began in the 70s and existed 20 years without any complaints you have to ask yourself why in the 90s did the public suddenly start being concerned? The answer is the jump in home runs and individual performances that were greater than in previous years, decades and even generations. Baseball heroes were beginning to be surpassed by the next generation and that did not sit well with the previous generation much like when Maris was harassed for beating Babe Ruth’s record. It was public pettiness.
Nobody took the time to evaluate the impact of a hitter and pitcher facing each other after both had taken steroids, they ONLY saw the rising home runs and jumped to wrong conclusions. It’s no coincidence that Canseco was a trigger for outing steroids. People saw what he did when he came into the league and had to justify why he could do what he was doing compared to the good old days.
By sheer coincidence, the MLB had received a more juiced set of baseballs for the 1987 season and the result was a 16.5% jump in home runs per game between 1986 and 1987. Since nobody was closing in on any significant records there was no public uproar at that time and when the home runs per game in 1988 dropped nearly 30% the issue of steroids, which was actually the juiced baseball went away.
When you consider 1987 was over 10 years after steroids first became popular in baseball, there should have been a growth in HRS/GAME/YEAR beginning in the 70s but there wasn’t. In fact, the early 80s HR rate dropped to numbers comparable to the late sixties when pitchers dominated the game. So, it’s hard so say steroids were impacting the overall game of baseball in the 80s and since 1987 was the only abnormal year for home runs you have to ask yourself if there was a sudden surge in steroid use that year or was the anomaly caused by something else. The huge drop off in HRs in 1988 could have been from a major portion of the steroid users suddenly quitting them OR the more logical explanation is MLB went back to the 1986 baseball.
Clearly, Canseco was a steroid user as was McGwire whether through his Andro or physical shots as Canseco described so why did their HRs track more closely to the juice in the ball rather than rise from more and more use of steroids? They lifted more weights, got greater stamina and Canseco improved his foot speed from taking the steroids, why didn’t that translate into more home runs, a higher average or more extra base hits? My conclusion is that steroids while being considered a performance enhancer didn’t enhance the right things to improve home run hitting, batting average or total bases. It can be argued it helped base stealing and I have no evidence to refute that claim but from the hitting side there is no direct correlation between steroids and hitting.
There is, however, a direct correlation between the juice in the baseball and the home runs hit per game per year. Since the ball changed at the start of the 1994 season when a strike was looming, would it shock you to know that Selig was doing his part to popularize baseball? After all this guy just ousted his predecessor and convinced the owners he’d be an improved commissioner that would follow their direction and promote the hell out of baseball. Would it be such a shock to find out he went back to the 1987 baseball to generate interest in the game? Well, he did.
Beginning in 1994, the juice in the baseball jumped to a new plateau. Until then 1987 was the ONLY year with the juice level over 1.0. For the next 16 years (yes the hey day for the supposed Steroid Era) the juice factor was over 1.0. Then, in 2010, it dropped back to 0.95.
So, if steroids had such a profound impact on the game why didn’t it show up in the numbers? No steady growth in HRs, in fact, no growth at all for the first 20 years. Think back now to the events during the congressional investigation. It was Selig who gained from throwing guys like Bonds, Sosa and McGwire under the bus. Fifteen years earlier Selig was promoting steroid use as an owner of the Brewers and now he was becoming the savior of baseball by destroying the careers of select players. Why? Ego. It got him elected to the baseball hall of fame and all he was during his baseball life was a bad owner of a small market team.
That’s the true story of the Steroid Era lie. Today, the juice levels far exceed the Bonds era yet nobody is suggesting it’s because steroids are being masked better than any time in history or HGH is being masked far better than steroids were. Nobody wants that scandal because nobody has anything to gain from it. The cheating scandal superseded any HGH/Steroid scandal since home run rates are at an all time high.
If it wasn’t for me and all the other “juiced ball” conspiracy theorists nobody would even be talking about why guys like Tatis and Devers are hitting home runs at such a young age. Are they like Aaron or Mays? Or is it because Aaron and Mays also started their careers when the juice in the baseball was peaking?
dennyd – you are right that no impact should have been no measurable impact. The net effect of pitchers and catchers in an individual game situation can not be measured like the cheating scandal. My overall point was more targeted at the fact that the data supports no correlation of steroids and HRs but a huge correlation between the juice in the ball and home runs. The index for 2019 was 1.39 and 2020 was 1.28. I am in the process of calculating the 2021 index.
FYI
Aaron hit 47 (most in his career) in 1971 with a juice factor of 0.74
Bonds hit 73 (most in his career) in 2001 with a juice factor of 1.12
Ruth hit 60 (most in his career) in 1927 with a juice factor of 0.37
Ruth peaked at age 32, Aaron peaked at age 37, Bonds peaked at age 36
Ruth peaked during the first jump in juice labeled the LIVE BALL ERA
Aaron peaked during the second jump in juice beginning in 1950
Bonds peaked during the third jump in juice beginning in 1994
The juice in the ball has impacted the HRs in the game for 150 years.
The impact of steroids can not be measured nor observed from the data.
kyredsox17
Insert 100 comments from people who never followed up on any facts or accusations made in the cheating scandal. At this point who even cares about the Astros cheating? Let alone the people who left the organization and were used as scape goats? Not many people in baseball have handled owning up to doing something wrong better than Cora did. A rare instance where I actually believe someone is sorry for their(minor) role.
KD17
kyredsox – Seriously? Owning up to it? You mean he got caught with his hand in the cookie jar and said oops I guess I was stealing cookies. My bad.
Yeah, that seems like a real upstanding guy!! hahaha
Rocker49
Bang those trash cans baby!!! Love how Boston fans booed the Astros in the playoffs when their Manager was the one who came up with the entire scheme with Beltran. And was the person banging the trashcans. Per the report, the Bench Coach was the person banging the cans (Alex Cora), for you uneducated baseball fans.
GaryWarriorsRedSox
Uneducated? We’re all aware of what happened but we are willing to put it in the past. Should try it sometime it’s a good feeling. But uneducated, no.
KD17
Gary – Sorry there are some things in life you don’t forgive. Cheating the game that made you famous, rich and a household name for young players that want to play the game is one!!! Trading Mookie is another!!! Trading Benny is a third. Firing DD because he wanted to resign Mookie and the racist owners didn’t want any part of it.
There is plenty that has happened in Boston since August 2019 that can not be forgiven or forgotten.
Jack Marshall
Cora did an excellent job, but it’s over-hyped because the experts want cover for wildly underrating the team last Spring. Cora deserved to be banned from baseball after being involved with two cheating scandals on two championship-winning teams.
30 Parks
Cora should have been banned from baseball.
GaryWarriorsRedSox
He was.
30 Parks
Cora got a public relations slap-on-the-wrist. Banned – not to return. MLB has a credibility issue. Put Pete Rose in the Hall of Fame if that’s your understanding of “banned.”
GaryWarriorsRedSox
Pete Rose AGREED TO BE BANNED FROM BASEBALL for the rest of his life.
You don’t think Bartlett Giamatti would have giving him maybe a 5 or 10 year punishment? But Pete was afraid of what else would come out with his gambling so he agreed to the lifetime ban.
30 Parks
Appreciate the all caps, Gary. However, the point stands. As a matter of accountability, god forbid integrity, Cora should have been banned for life. In hindsight, viewed against steroids and garbage cans, Pete should be in the HOF. HAVE A GOOD DAY, GARY.
Mike LaValliere
Not to mention Pete Rose was banging a teenage girl in the 70’s, while he was married (not that banging a teenager isn’t bad enough on it’s own). No one should feel sorry for that bum. I hope he never gets in.
KD17
Gary = when you write “he was” I keep seeing the scene from Sandlot where they say F=O=R-E-V-E-R in slow motion!!
We only know of two instances where he has been caught by others. That may just be the tip of an iceberg if you back into his bench riding days as a player.
baseballguy_128
for a season and not even a full one Manfred should of extended since it was only 60 games
sambino
Yeah for one year. Should have been for life.
Salvi
For Yankees fans living in glasshouses, heres a list of Yankees caught in Steroid Scandal:
Roger Clemens
Andy Pettitte
Kevin Brown
Mike Stanton
Denny Neagle
Jason Grimsley
Ron Villone
Dan Naulty
Todd Williams
Carlos Almanzar
Darren Holmes
Josias Manzanillo
Bobby Estalella
Jim Leyritz
Jason Giambi
Hal Morris
Chuck Knoblauch
Randy Verlarde
Jose Canseco
Glenallen Hill
Gary Sheffield
Matt Lawton
Rondell White
Easily the biggest list, and most prominent names of any team in MLB. It obvious this was a team organized strategy. If any team should be forfeiting WS rings, it should be Yankees titles won between 1996 and 2009.
Salvi
Oh and Alex Rodriguez. Lol, How’d I miss him.
Yankee-4-Lifer 75
@dennyd- wow that’s a phat list! It’s amazing how much free time fella’s have these days. You notice the lst player on your list? Nobody like’s the list guy.
KD17
Yankee-4=Lifer 75 – It’s not unusual for dennyd to jump on the wrong bandwagon. That list can have a thousand names on it and it will be just as irrelevant as it is right now. The juiced ball created the appearance of cheating through the use of steroids. No upward trend exists so there is no correlation between the use of steroids and home runs.
People still miss the point of why steroids were banned. They were an endangerment to the players like cocaine and all the other banned substances. It was a health issue not a performance issue.
Selig allowed it to be spun into a performance issue so he could take credit for fixing something that wasn’t broken. It got him in the HOF which says volumes about how inept the HOF voting is.
dennyd – if you were a bit closer to the game you would know that steroids started in the 70s and still exist today. You would also know that the construction of the baseball dramatically changed in 1987 then reverted back the next year and stayed the same until 1994 the strike year. At that point, the MLB needed growth so the 1987 baseball was brought back and the steroid era was created.
Salvi
Yankee 4 lifer: The truth sux. The reason you don’t like the list, is you just like most Yankee fans forget how much cheating they do. Its a reminder. No other team has a list like that, NONE.
Oh and copy/paste, takes about 3 minutes. It took me longer to find a good list. Since you obviously don’t know: ‘right click’ and highlight, control ‘C’, then ‘control ‘V’, where you want to place it. You can do it.
Yankee-4-Lifer 75
@dennyd-pass. Your list was a big waste of time, like you and the cheating trashy organization you root for. Good luck
whiplash
Exactly. It just shows how stupid those people really are. It hurts them that their money isn’t good enough anymore to buy rings. I guess The Astros and Yankees have something in common now, trash can and trash.
sambino
Former Boston Red Sox player and current analyst and reporter for Comcast SportsNet New England, Lou Merloni, claimed that Sox management taught players how to use steroids during his tenure with the team.
syndication.bleacherreport.com/amp/175226-the-majo…
KD17
sambino – What makes your comment so telling is that Bud Selig did the same for the Milwaukee Brewers then had the gall to belittle the players for their role in the steroid use he promoted.
Salvi
Lou Merloni is a has been player and sports personality, looking for validation, He makes a claim. Yep, that makes it fact.
JoeBrady
Lou is virtually never wrong. No matter what I think, if Lou disagrees, then I have to think long and hard about why he would disagree.
And he hates the Yankees with a passion.
Yankeesniper
by the way, Boston should use some of that money to build seating suited for their overweight fans of today, instead of what they have now, seats built in a time when fans were the size of hobbits.
Oh and can you build another 40ft wall outside the stadium to hide that eyesore from view. Thank you.
Salvi
Dear Flat Slob Yankee fans. Sorry you can’t fit into ‘hobbit’ sized seat at Fenway. How about staying in Yankee stadium, I’m tired of seeing EMPTY giant blue seat behind homeplate. How about you sprawl out there. Probably because noone besides a Steinbrenner can afford them.
Yankee-4-Lifer 75
@dennyd- nice life you have there, spending all your time in Mommy’s basement. Please feel free to come out for some fresh air once in a while now. Did you write that list all by yourself?
Salvi
Copy/Paste. Too complex for you.
whiplash
How about the Yankees put mirrors on the back of each seat so their arrogant fans can look in the mirror before running their mouths
whyhayzee
Fun place to come and read the posts of the great unwashed. Good times.
joblo
When does he hire his brother Joey as a coach?
Joseph Gonzalez
I love how that user made that list above as if the Yankees were the only team to have roid users. News flash, they were EVERYWHERE !!! Those players listed were on other teams too rofl
sambino
Former Boston Red Sox player and current analyst and reporter for Comcast SportsNet New England, Lou Merloni, claimed last week that Sox management taught players how to use steroids during his tenure with the team.
syndication.bleacherreport.com/amp/175226-the-majo…
sambino
I’m sorry the story was from I believe 2009
sambino
This story came out May 14th 2009.
Salvi
Liar. Where did I say “only team”. Let me try: Its as if Joseph Gonalez feels every team should be given free steroids, when they make the big league club. Ridiculous right?
Several of those players never began steroids before they reached New York. (Knoblauck, Pettite, ARod). When a team has such a big investment in their players, they’re willing to do anything to keep these players producing.
Yankeesniper
what a dark day it must be for Red Sox fans.
To have to defend a guy who is not only a convicted cheater but cheated the Red Sox out of their glory and cost their manager his job.
Like being forced to accept the guy who robbed your house, because he is now marrying your daughter…..egad.
I feel sorriest for the kids though. I could just imagine the conversation with their dads.
“here you go son, here is your first red sox cap you are now a part of Red Sox nation”
“gee dad this is great, what does it mean to be a red sox fan?”
“it means son that as long as you win, character and integrity doesn’t matter”
“you mean it is OK to cheat people dad?”
“as long as you bring home the prize, son”
KD17
Yankeesniper – It’s more embarrassing than you have depicted for those of us who have been a loyal fan half a century. Not only does this ownership group and front office condone cheating, they also condone racism!!
I’m just thankful my father didn’t live to see what’s happened to the Red Sox in recent years. You guys may have an inept front office who has no idea how to win but our recent legacy is far worse than yours.
It’s truly embarrassing to be a Red Sox fan today. A complete lack of integrity exists throughout the organization. As a fan, all I can do now is root for individual players who play the game the right way, as a team.
sambino
espn.com/general/page2/story?id=4149180&src=d…
Salvi
KD17: Racism? where? You don’t back that up with anything. What a jackass.
Cheer for someone else if your “embarrassed”. You pollute these columns with anti-Red Sox crap all the time, yet claim to be a fan. LEAVE, go watch badminton, ffs.
KD17
dennyd – Come on. I’ve been ranting about this since the Mookie deal. You seriously want me to go through my long dissertation on ownership’s racism? You should know me well enough to know I will if you ask but I thought I was saving the regular participants another long rant. I do get complaints when I go on long rants so I try to minimize them.
KD17
dennyd – What’s your prejudice against badminton? It’s a fun sport to play on weekends and at family get togethers!!
Also, pollution is in the eye of the beholder. You disagree with my viewpoint so it’s pollution not just another fan’s dissatisfaction with ownership, Bloom and the cheater known as Cora.
You seem a little cranky today. Try more fiber!!
GaryWarriorsRedSox
Yankee sniper… What do you know about teaching kids lessons?
“Okay son, any time you make a mistake, that’s it you’re done for the rest of your life. Sorry doesn’t matter, you’re not allowed to play baseball ever again or you’re not allowed to go to Jimmy’s house ever again. You cheated, you made a mistake, that’s it you’re done.”
Who are you? What kind of parenting is that LOL? Worst analogy on this entire page. Don’t bring kids into this if you don’t know what you’re talkin about.
Yankeesniper
you must be the kind of sap who thinks a guy like Bernie Madoff, had he lived and been released from prison be allowed to work on wall street and take people’s money again.
Yeah, you fit the DNA of a Red Sox fan Dumb-N-Ass
hyraxwithaflamethrower
Gary, Big, big difference between a child learning right from wrong and where the boundaries are vs a grown man who’s been around major league baseball for a number of years. Also a big difference between doing something once and orchestrating two year-long scandals involving a number of players on both teams. If you really want to equate a little leaguer making a mistake with a seasoned professional blatantly cheating, I think you’re the one who doesn’t know what he’s talking about.
GaryWarriorsRedSox
I didn’t bring up the subject, he did.
I’m not equating what Cora did to a kid’s mistakes. We’re talking about lessons to a child. Mistakes are made, learn from them, and don’t do them again. That’s the lesson.
You’re going to teach a kid that when mistakes are made whether it’s one time or two years, the person is banned forever? I guess I’m about Second Chances upon the repentance. Fair enough.., you disagree. 70 x 7.
JoeBrady
Yankeesniper
what a dark day it must be for Red Sox fans.
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Take your beating like a man. If the RS had come in 3rd, and lost in the WC game, I wouldn’t be complaining about the NYY PED history.
Yankeesniper
This is not about the Red Sox players, this is about Cora.
If he was managing the Astros would you cover for him as you are doing now, no you would despise him for cheating your Red Sox in 2017 and beating them in 2021 and blabbering he was still cheating.
So get off the pot already
baseballguy_128
Perfect Salesmen 🙂
baseballguy_128
to sell the cheating formula
yamsi1912
Cora is a chump.
hyraxwithaflamethrower
How does a guy behind not one, but two, cheating scandals not only get back in baseball, but have his options picked up? Are we really saying that what Pete Rose did was worse than what Cora’s done?
GaryWarriorsRedSox
Of course we aren’t. Nobody here is saying that. Go look at Major League Baseball, they passed the punishment not the fans.
Obviously there’s been lots of cheating in sports. Many do it, some get caught. How many times have you lied on your taxes? Many do it, some get caught. Don’t look at Cora or Pete Rose. Look at baseball and the commissioner’s office.
Are you going to lambaste a pitcher who gets a legitimate ball incorrectly called a strike? He knows it’s a ball people on TV know it’s a ball but the UMP calls a strike. Is that cheating? Talk to MLB. All the players and managers do is try to win and serve the punishments they’re given.
hyraxwithaflamethrower
I’ve never once lied on my taxes. Not just out of morals, but as a CPA, I could lose my license if I do that. (If you’re going to answer plainly rhetorical questions as though they’re not, so will I.)
As for your pitcher example, that’s silly. The pitcher is not trying to pull a fast one on anybody. Taking the gift isn’t against any rules, just like a runner on 2nd stealing signs isn’t against the rules. I’m a fan of gamesmanship in most cases. Even though I hated the result as a White Sox fan, I applauded Aaron Judge for deking out Madrigal earlier in the year. Madrigal fell for it, that’s his fault. The support for gamesmanship ends where the rules begin, though.
GaryWarriorsRedSox
Fair enough you make great points. I just hate all the Cora bashing when we’ve all made mistakes. Everyone deserves another chance, even if my examples are not the best.
By the way I’ve never cheated on my taxes either, not a single time. Many years ago a CPA suggested I take the charitable contribution benefit because under $500 you didn’t need a receipt or wherever it was. I told him “I didn’t donate anything this year.” He said go ahead and take it.. you don’t need a receipt. Again I told him no I didn’t contribute.
JoeBrady
I find cheating on charitable deductions to be reprehensible. You shouldn’t cheat as a general rule, but to cheat by saying you gave money to help people out, and you didn’t, it is somehow more egregious.
One of my favorite tax stories was when I was tasked with reviewing the basis of a building we had sold. Apparently, since the sale qualified as unrelated business income, we need to pay tax on the gain, notwithstanding the fact that we were a not-for-profit. And we owed the state $8M that we didn’t have.
So, as has often been the case with me, I simply followed the work of some really shoddy accountants, and came up with enough adjustments to make the $8M go away.
So the tax director was meeting with the CEO and our outside legal counsel. The outside counsel said ‘Congratulations, the state accepted 95% of everything Joe claimed.’ Without blinking an eye, the tax director responds ‘Good, because Joe claimed 105% of everything he found.”
Easy work, but it made me look like a genius.
jdgoat
Well looks like Yankeesniper took the clubhouse lead for dumbest person on the internet today. The person most offended about cheating is a fan of the Yankees of all teams lol.
DarkSide830
I dont like to generalize, but boy are there a few pretty obnoxious Yankees fans on this site.
hyraxwithaflamethrower
In fairness, the Yankees have the most fans, so even if the percentage of annoying fans was the same, more or less, for each fan base, the plurality of annoying fans would still be Yankees fans. At least I’ve seen fewer Andujar and Frazier for (name uber prospect or proven stud on team-friendly deal here) trade ideas of late.
AL34
The Red Sox and Bloom will be in on everything and pick up throwaways and crumbs that other teams discard or have no interest in. I hope I am wrong but I am not getting my hopes high with Bloom to do anything big. We are now down a major starter and have no idea of what Chris Sale brings to the table anymore. The bullpen is a disaster and Houck and Whitlock are not stretched out enough to start.
Yankeesniper
here we are a hundred years later and baseball fans still know about the Black Sox scandal like it happened yesterday. A shame the White Sox still bear.
You would think the Red Sox organization would stand on the side of right, on the side of character on the side of integrity.
I never hated the Red Sox, I still don’t, I just feel embarrassed for them now.
hyraxwithaflamethrower
I’m a die-hard White Sox fan, but if they did something similar today, I’d abandon the team until it had new ownership, new management, and a new roster (or at least, had everyone who’d cheated go elsewhere). I live in Houston now, and I’m astonished by the number of people who claim that it’s ok because most of the guys from that team have left (yeah, save for the core guys like Altuve, Correa, Bregman, etc.) or that going to the WS this year proves they would likely have won in 2017 had they not cheated. I was just starting to really like the team when the news of their scandal broke. Hard for me to not loathe them now. I still recognize the talent, but what honor they had is gone.
GaryWarriorsRedSox
Twin Peaks baby !!
Yankeesniper
I hear the Cora bobblehead doll will come with a paper bag over its head for those few remaining Red Sox fans who still hold an ounce of integrity.
Yankee-4-Lifer 75
The Red Sox and Astros should of been forced to give back their tainted championships. Major League Baseball really dropped the ball. The two franchise’s learned nothing, but that it’s alright to cheat to win by keeping their championships. It’s disgusting.
GaryWarriorsRedSox
Take it up with Major League Baseball. They investigated, they ruled, it’s over. Same with the steroid era same with everything else. It’s over.
all in the suit that you wear
I wonder if the Sox felt they needed to exercise Cora’s option before the CBA expires for some reason.
KD17
aitstyw – Interesting thought!! Need to mull over that one. Very intriguing point. Thanks.