The Mets have landed the market’s top center fielder, announcing agreement with Starling Marte on a four-year, $78MM deal. The star outfielder will lock in a $14.5MM salary in 2022 to go with a $5MM signing bonus, then receive $19.5MM salaries from 2023-25. Marte is represented by Rep 1 Baseball.
It’s the culmination of a shocking evening for the Mets, who have also agreed to terms with Eduardo Escobar and Mark Canha within the past few days. Marte was the prize of this offseason’s free agent center field class, easily the top option in an otherwise thin market. A 2016 All-Star and two-time Gold Glove award winner, he’s coming off perhaps the best season of his ten-year big league career. Marte split the 2021 campaign between the Marlins and A’s, posting a .310/.383/.458 line with 12 home runs and an MLB-best 47 stolen bases in just 120 games.
A rib fracture cost Marte more than a month of action between April and May, but he was as productive as ever upon returning. After adjusting for the pitcher-friendly home parks in which he played, Marte’s hitting alone was 34 percentage points better than league average, by measure of wRC+. That’s the best mark of his career, and the speedy outfielder added significantly more offensive value on top of that with incredible baserunning. Not only was he the game’s most prolific base-stealer, he was successful on 90.4% of his attempts — an incredible rate considering opposing pitchers were well aware of the threat he posed every time he reached base.
While Marte might be coming off his best season, he’s been a consistently above-average player for the bulk of his career. His 2021 campaign was the most extreme version of a generally steady skillset: plenty of balls in play, high-end baserunning, and an all-fields approach that makes him difficult to defend. Marte’s .372 batting average on balls in play this past season was one of the league’s higher rates, but he’s consistently had a knack for turning batted balls into hits. So while that BABIP may take a bit of a step back in 2022, it’s likelier he’ll regress closer to his career .344 mark as opposed to the .292 league average.
Marte’s an aggressive hitter, and he’s never had a season with an above-average walk rate. His 8.2% walk percentage in 2021 was a personal best, and his patience tailed off significantly after he was traded from Miami to Oakland midseason. His free-swinging ways also keep his strikeouts down, though, as the Dominican Republic native hasn’t punched out in more than 20% of his plate appearances in a season since 2014. So while Marte doesn’t take many free passes, he nevertheless typically manages solid on-base numbers based on batting averages that regularly push (or, in 2021’s case, exceed) .300.
Defensively, Marte broke in as a left fielder with the Pirates in deference to Andrew McCutchen. One of the game’s top corner outfield defenders, he kicked over to center field in 2018 after Pittsburgh traded McCutchen away. He’s spent the past four seasons playing almost exclusively up the middle, drawing mixed reviews. Defensive Runs Saved has pegged Marte as a bit below-average over each of the past three seasons. Statcast’s Outs Above Average typically rates him a bit above par with the glove.
However one falls on Marte’s glovework, it seems the Mets view him as a defensive upgrade over incumbent center fielder Brandon Nimmo. Signing Marte will allow New York to kick Nimmo into right field, where he’ll replace free agent Michael Conforto (who almost certainly will wind up elsewhere after today’s transactions). They’ll be joined in the regular outfield by Canha, the culmination of a drastic shakeup on the grass that unfolded within the span of a few hours.
How long Marte will be capable of manning center field remains to be seen. He signed an early-career extension with the Pirates that delayed his first trip to the free agent market by a few seasons. Marte turned 33 years old last month, and it’s possible he’ll need to move to a corner spot at some point over the course of this deal. He’s not yet shown an appreciable drop-off in sprint speed, according to Statcast, and the Mets are counting on his speed and defense holding up for at least the next couple seasons.
A four-year guarantee for a player at this age whose game is so reliant on athleticism isn’t without risk. Between Marte’s great platform season and the lack of obvious center field alternatives, that always seemed likely to be the price a team would have to pay to bring him aboard, though. Entering the offseason, MLBTR projected a four-year, $80MM guarantee and ranked Marte this winter’s #13 free agent.
Marte is the highest-ranked player of this winter’s class to sign to date, and he’s also secured the largest guarantee of any player so far (edging out Eduardo Rodríguez’s deal with the Tigers by $1MM). In the span of a day, the Mets have become the offseason’s most active club — the kind of spending spree fans in Queens envisioned when Steve Cohen purchased the franchise from the Wilpon family last offseason.
The club opened Cohen’s first season as owner with a payroll in the $195MM range, per Cot’s Baseball Contracts. It’s clear they’re prepared to shatter that mark in year two, as Jason Martinez of Roster Resource estimates that spreading the Escobar, Canha and Marte deals evenly would push the Mets’ 2022 commitments to $225MM. The organization’s estimated luxury tax bill, meanwhile, now sits above $229MM.
That’s including projections for arbitration-eligible players, some of whom will be non-tendered or traded. Speculatively speaking, Dominic Smith, J.D. Davis and/or Jeff McNeil could be flipped elsewhere, as today’s series of acquisitions could inhibit the path to everyday reps for that trio (particularly Smith and Davis). Yet it’s also apparent that Cohen is giving general manager Billy Eppler wide leeway to bolster the roster in hopes of snapping a five-year playoff drought, and further moves could be on the horizon. All three of today’s additions are position player pickups, and Eppler is already on record about the team’s desire for rotation help.
While the Mets’ roster is the main story of today’s transactional barrage, their agreement with Marte has trickle-down reverberations for the rest of the league. As the only clear everyday center fielder available in free agency, he’d drawn wide interest over the offseason’s first couple weeks. Teams like the division-rival Phillies, crosstown Yankees, Marlins, Giants, Astros and Rangers had all been rumored to have interest in his services. Having missed out on Marte, a few of those clubs might now have to pivot to the trade market.
Arizona’s Ketel Marte, Pittsburgh’s Bryan Reynolds and Baltimore’s Cedric Mullins stand out as the top potential targets, but it remains to be seen how attainable any of those players may be. The D-Backs have been resistant to moving any of their core controllable stars; the Pirates were reportedly disinclined to consider deals involving Reynolds at the trade deadline, viewing him as a long-term building block. The O’s are at least willing to field offers on Mullins, but it’s not clear that’s anything more than due diligence at this point.
Jon Heyman of the MLB Network first reported the Mets had agreed to terms on a four-year, $78MM guarantee with Marte. MLB.com’s Anthony DiComo of MLB.com first reported the salary breakdown of Marte’s contract.
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MetsFan22
What a day lol
MetsFan22
Now go get some pitchers
asdfgh
Eppier sucks at signing pitchers and it seems the Mets and ownership has done their best at this. Thor, Matz and that blow up, and Stroman all leaving. Not a great sign.
johnnymac09
Thor and Matz weren’t because of Eppler
clrrogers
And Stroman hasn’t left yet.
meckert
Yeah, yeah, yeah. They could sign Ruth, Mays and Mantle and you’d still say something stupid.
joebourgeois
Has it occured to you that they’re anticipating the market – signing hitters while everyone else is bidding for pitchers (only a few of whom have signed yet)?
Jeffmathisfirstballothalloffame
@meckert
Yea he might say something like there all dead
mets7300
What are YOU SMOKING?
Syndergaard pitched 2 Innings in 2 Years, Matz wasn’t Here Last Year..
Go Back to The BRONX ….
phenomenalajs
Yeah and he’d be incorrect there, too, since Mays is still around at 90.
meckert
Jeff Mathis: remind me to explain the concept of sarcasm to you sometime.
LongTimeFan1
@asdfgh
Stroman wants to return. Said so Friday on Twitter.
Mets are pursuing starting pitching and Javy Baez.
Eppler’s done great job. Friday. An incredible 6 hours for Mets fans.
Trey Buchet
Stroman didn’t say that.
JerryBird
I loved to watch Mays. Amazing athlete. I wonder what kind of contract a player like him could get nowadays. That was a man who earned his money.
paddyo furnichuh
@mets7300…. You’re trying to a user with the handle, “asdfgh.”
It’s fair to assume the comment is not a genuine one but merely trollish.
imissjoebuzas
It just appears that the Mets have pivoted away from Baez. Unless they can find a way to get Cano off the books, they are pushing well over any tax limit to be set for 2022.
Cosmo2
They knew they were gonna have to blow past the threshold. I don’t want Baez but he’s not out of their budget. They know the team is gonna be expensive as heck.
cuffs2
he will.
Al Hirschen
Now go balls to the wall Max Scherzer
JerryBird
I wonder about Scherzer. Didn’t his arm go dead and he missed the most important start of the year for the Dodgers? Just thinking if that arm has life in it right now. Based on his history, he is a great pitcher, but that is all in the past. His asking price is a huge gamble, kind of like Verlander. It is risky at their age with injuries. Just sayin’…
NYMetsFanatic
Hi JB, he’s a competitive monster, so I doubt his effectiveness went from 120 to 0 practically overnight. I doubt he’ll sign with the Mets simply because I don’t think he likes New York City, but I don’t think anything is wrong with his arm.
citizen
Now go get a manager
antstiggity 2
No need, if that lockout comes like all are predicting, it be a perfect time to look for a manager.
mets7300
GEE YA THINK ????
The Mets "Missed WAR"
Huge day for the Mets. By my count this puts them more than $15M over the luxury cap for next season. 2 really good starting pitchers would put them in the Dodgers payroll range. It’s getting interesting. I’m thinking they went after Cahna and Escobar on 2 year deals so after 2023 they will come off the books the same time as Cano. That would shave about $40M off the payroll so they can dip below it again. I’m thinking they push hard to get some players on 2 year deals and just don’t care what the payroll will be the next 2 seasons. I think this probably means there is no room to retain Baez. Smith, Davis, McNeil and Cano are already competing with each other for two spots in the lineup. They have to spend a bunch of money on the rotation after all this. I still think it’s very surprising they didn’t hire a manager before making all these moves. Usually, dinner is much better when you let the chef pick out his own groceries.
phenomenalajs
Cano’s salary is a sunk cost if they release him, so they’ll see what he’s got left in Spring Training before deciding to cut him. Keeping some of them may depend upon what happens in the CBA with the DH rule. J.D.’s best chance to stay would be if MLB waives the prerequisites for the two-way player. He was a college closer and did get on the mound a few times for Houston. Baez is likely out with their signings tonight. Doors are probably closed on Villar and Conforto as well. They may move on from Nimmo and/or McNeil as well if they find a trade partner.
LongTimeFan1
@The Mets “Missed WAR”
You’re making assumptions about 2024 LT threshold decisions without knowing what the new CBA will be. No one knows.
I also suspect Dominic Smith and Jeff McNeil are trade candidates. To think that the Mets aren’t pursuing Baez because Mets are better off retaining Smith and McNeil doesn’t make a whole lot of sense. Reports continue to be Mets are in on Baez. Eppler seems to be trending toward dynamic players.
LongTimeFan1
@phenomenalajs
I find it hard to believe that JD will be viewed as two-way player for roster purposes.
I don’t at all get the impression Mets are no longer pursuing a return of Javy Baez.
Nimmo will be shifted to a corner.
The most likely trade candidates are Dom Smith and Jeff McNeil.
JD could be trade candiate too though I suspect he’s viewed by Mets as good fit for right hand hitting DH.
Cano good candidate for DH from left side.
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Mrivers
Yes, Smith is probably gone. Maybe McNeil. Davis is too cheap to let the bat go.
Backup Catcher to the Backup Catcher
Marte is the big fish the Mets landed. JMHO, but not sure Escobar and Canha are much better, if at all, than their in-house options (McNeil, Smith and Davis) for 1B/3B/OF slots.
Next, they need starting pitchers. All know the high priced arms available. However, let me suggest two SP who should come cheaply and who could surprise: Kim and Velasquez.
Cards have no use for Kim. Velasquez never put it together with the Phillies and was pretty much the same five-and-dive guy for the Padres after they acquired him.
Can’t sign all the elite FA pitchers, so gotta hope to catch lightening in a bottle with one or more of the lesser-lights.
Bud Selig Fan
“and just don’t care what the payroll will be the next 2 seasons”
Congratulations on being the team with an owner that wants to use his wealth to wreak havoc on the rest of baseball. Hopefully, his teams payrolls eventually get up to $600,000,000, with a roster of 26 all-stars, annually winning 125 games and of course title after title. Maybe that will force changes to the game sooner that will eventually need to happen to save the game.
At least 1 owner foresaw this type of “owner” and tried to do something about it, but only had 1 vote unfortunately. Mets fans, be careful what you wish for. My guess is the feeling of winning by buying victories will be more embarrassing and hollow than euphoric.
Buckner
Ha ha ha. You just described the 1974-79 Yankees.
The Boss bought everyone.
So, you’re only 40+ years late.
Thanks for playing, Bud. Go back to selling cars.
In Milwaukee.
imissjoebuzas
Like the Dodgers? Why no mention of them? And i think they have been playoff bound for a few seasons…… just saying.
Cosmo2
If you could make a team win through sheer spending alone there’d be nothing wrong with that. But it doesn’t work that way.
Metsies
What prerequisites exist for a two-way player??
Buckner
For all the commenters below –
If you weren’t aware already, the past 24 hours should show you how irrelevant the manager position is in 2021. Players are signing WITHOUT any idea who the manager will be. They sign for the money, yes. But the GM and Owner are telling them about their future.
Someone else (below) mentioned how Escobar and Canha signed for two years. Yes that coincides with the Cano contract, but it should also mark the arrival of Vientos, Brett Baty and perhaps even Mauricio and Alvarez.
It’s a good day for Met fans.
NYMetsFanatic
Buckner, that was absolutely beautiful. 🙂
VonPurpleHayes
lol nice
MLB Top 100 Commenter
Cohen is apparently willing to pay full retail price on Black Friday.
joeyrocafella
Robbie Ray and Gausman, and our off-season is complete!
phenomenalajs
Doubt they’ll give up the #14 pick for Ray. They need to replenish the system. I don’t think they’re done with Stroman yet regardless of what he tweeted, though they will probably try to make a run at Scherzer and Gausman as well.
imissjoebuzas
They may get Gausman and/or Ray, and trade for another starter using Smith/McNeil/Davis and possibly Vientos or Baty alone ( unless they decide one of them is better suited off the hot corner)
angt222
Mets always do that. Nothing for weeks and in one night they sign the majority of their acquisitions for the offseason.
Chief Two Hands
And how does it typically work out? The bar has been set low for the Mets so their fans are overreacting to Friday’s signings, which are improvements, but hardly enough to indicate they are a powerhouse, especially with their high payroll already. Where have we seen this before? Mets fans acting like they are the team to beat in the NL way too early…oh yeah, just look no further than last year. Friday’s signings are nice additions, but hardly ones that will turn their franchise around, and given the current payroll, I doubt even Cohen will be willing to spend enough to make that happen. The offense is decent, but the pitching is pedestrian at best. They may get someone like Gausman, but would likely have to overpay for him as well, and they can’t realistically expect deGrom to stay healthy, even though they seem to constantly do so.
NYMetsFanatic
Wow, you’re who’s over-reacting, lol. We’re just finally in a place where our team is making sensible 2-year decisions based upon last year’s shortcomings and with a promotion plan in mind for our homegrown players. No need to get all bent. Man, this place is crawling with jealous haters.
Chief Two Hands
No one is jealous of the Mets or their fans. Like I said…no need to look any further than last year to see the Mets fans overreacting like this. Also, if you think my post is me being “bent,” you are delusional. Imagine that…a delusional Mets fan.
imissjoebuzas
Maybe now DeGrom won’t have to pitch tp a 1-0’win and have to drive in his only run!
phillies give me depression
pain.
syndergaardshair
OMG WHAT IS GOING ON METS ACTUALLY GETTING STUFF DONE
phenomenalajs
They could go all in after next season to bring Syndergaard back.
ajrodz1335
They won’t stop, sign Castellanos next
DarkSide830
to play where exactly?
Drew Waters Bat
GM?
ajrodz1335
Nah they got GM, Manager would be ok
Drew Waters Bat
Don’t you think its a little soon to be popping a player to manager there? Did Beltran get to coach there?
Mrivers
Nick is really a DH anyway.
davidk1979
Nice to have an aggressive gm with a brain unlike Brodie.
Yankee Clipper
On behalf of the Yankees, your welcome for training him on how to be a GM.
NYMetsFanatic
@YC Just like a Bronx fan to try stealing credit for a Mets power play. 😉
Yankee Clipper
Nice
The Baseball Fan
Aj Preller would like to have a word…
tstats
Woah. Woah woah, some BIG moves from the team that needed pitching
MetsFan22
Calm down.. that’s coming too
Dutch Vander Linde
Mets fans are never happy. They’ll always find a way sour the move.
Cosmo2
You gotta get together with the other folks on here… I thought we were overly optimistic cheerleaders….
imissjoebuzas
Tstats is not a Mets fan.
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Al Hirschen
Damn now get Max and Kris Bryant
Larry Bernandez 1324IM
Unless they’re willing to give Bryant 150 million + it ain’t happenin
meckert
And you know this . . . how?
Larry Bernandez 1324IM
Today’s events and the fact that they have yet to address their depleted pitching staff.
imissjoebuzas
But they just put themselves in position to trade some young controllable talent for pitching
Cosmo2
We’re trying to win, not set the record for risky contracts
cuffs2
These deals are tiny by today’s standards. They aren’t signing Correa and Semien for crying ouy loud..
Cosmo2
Smaller than Correa will get but by no means tiny. Not even close.
Cohens_Wallet
Wawaweewaa
GareBear
Very nice
PitcherMeRolling
Damn. Blue Friday
DarkSide830
chill bro
yankees500
Eppler-“Steve, what does my budget look like?”
Cohen-“Yes”
PitcherMeRolling
“Is that an eight? I don’t get it”
“That’s infinity, Billy”
chisox34
Good day for Mets fans
3 – 32 year olds also interesting..they should continue to produce
VegasSDfan
Keyword “should”
imissjoebuzas
Yes, but it isn’t a 5 year deal, the Mets have some talented pieces in Vientos-Mauricio-Baty coming behind and can now trade sowm cheaper comtrollable talent for pitching, like Dom Smith, JD Davis, or Jeff McNeil. Do you think Baltimore might take two of them ( plus ???) for John Means?
JohhnyBets67
I don’t see why the Orioles would have any interest in corner INF w/ diminishing control.
Just doesn’t make any sense. They’d want guys like Baty and Vientos. Smith and Davis simply don’t have much trade value. McNeil’s stock is at an all time low right now so you’re certainly not getting full value.
A'sfaninUK
4/78 is pretty much exactly what he’s worth. Good get by NYM but these moves dont move the needle.
DarkSide830
eventually moves like these add up.
bigdaddyt
Ya a 3/4th outfielder, a CF and a all star super utility player certainly do add up… in salary mets don’t have a rotation still and are already over the luxury tax I believe
seamaholic 2
I’m not sure they’ve even increased their payroll yet. Remember they’ve lost (so far anyway) Stroman, Thor, and Conforto.
Cosmo2
With presumed arb raises and Cano back, the payroll is almost certainly gone up from last year. Quite a bit even.
Chief Two Hands
An All-star only because the it was required that the Dbacks were represented. You are heavily overstating Escobar’s worth, who can play multiple positions, but none of them on an exceptional, (much less super), level. A’sfaninUK is right. The moves today don’t really change much for the Mets.
Cg141
The Tax threshold is going to go up after this new CBa. Mets will get things done. I think Cohen would rather be 200 mill less rich than not own a top MLB team.
cuffs2
Dude Escobar was a Brewer last year and earned his All Star bid.He did have alousy September but is still a huge pick upfor the Met’s.
JackStrawb
A’sfaninUK They move the needle, but by less than most fans think. Escobar is actually a downgrade on the 2.9 fWAR the Mets got from 3B in 2021. Canha doesn’t do much compared with Conforto. The improvement is essentially 1 Marte, projectable to 3-4 WAR in 2022. It’s nice, but it doesn’t turn the Mets into contenders.
bucsfan0004
The moves all look great now. But having this many players in their 30s isnt a recipe for success.
SeeUonTheUlnarSide
I think the Yankees might have disproved that several times already.
JackStrawb
You do actually need a bench.
DarkSide830
they’re short deals
seamaholic 2
Ask the Giants that. Short term deals with still productive guys in their early 30’s is actually a great model, and among the least risky moves you can make (players who have been good for a long time will very likely remain good for another year or two). It’s the long term stuff that gets you.
Angry Disgruntled Sox Fan
Mets have always failed at this
imissjoebuzas
In the overall scheme of things, 2 players of the 3 signed are on 2 year deals —- not a payroll anchor. They already have Lindor weighing them down.
yankeesarethebest88
Solid moves.
PadreFan19
Steve Cohen: “Mock me again, motherf***ers.”
Mario93
Lol right
icantstandyous
This means no Báez now and means Jon Gray instead of Max.
MetsFan22
This doesn’t mean any of that. Cohen will spend
seamaholic 2
They’ve lost a lot of payroll too. Plenty of room still. Plenty. I bet they go very hard at Scherzer now. Cohen’s hedge fund is bigger and richer than the one that owns the Dodgers. And they’ll try to resign Stroman. I guarantee you GM’s around baseball are nervous right now that the Mets will go on an absolute spending rampage and wreck everyone’s plans to wait out the market.
Cosmo2
Definitely not “plenty of room”. Payroll, even without Thor, etc, say at almost 200 million before these signings. Arb raises really add back pretty much all that’s lost (so the total is projected I guess, but you’d be surprised how high their payroll is starting at).
LongTimeFan1
@Cosmo2
It was a projected 187 mil before these signings.
Cosmo2
Yea that’s about what I figured. So they’re well past last years payroll already.
jaysfansince1977
Before adding in Marte’s contract the Mets are 1.4 Mil over the Luxury tax via Spotrac
itstimefordodgersbaseball
Lol no one is nervous about the Mets
Say Hey Now Kid
I never wanted Baez anyway. And I think Jon Gray will be a good signing for whatever team gets him. Max was never going to the Mets. He refused to be traded to either New York team
66TheNumberOfTheBest
I guess he’s used to tragedy at this point.
JOHNSmith2778
Trade for Mike Trout next.
In nurse follars
I like Marte but Canha and Escobar are meh. There were better choices out there.
metfan4ever
In nurse Escobar had 28 HR, plays 2b,ss,3b. Now they can move JD, Guillirme, & maybe McNeil. Cano back is adding up so if he does a David Wright insurance will pay. We can hope.
In nurse follars
Escobar is a poor defender with a 309 lifetime on base percentage? Canha is good at getting on base but not much else. Meh
Cosmo2
Not designed to be ground breaking moves
Chief Two Hands
Tell that to the majority of Mets fans posting here.
imissjoebuzas
Maybe they will play abetter all around baseball on offense. You have to get on base to score unless you wait for the home run. I’d rather have Sterling Marte than Joey Gallo. I’dive to see the spray charts on Escobar, Canha and Marte. I hate a team who is defended every other batter with a shift But in all fairness, good pitching shuts down good hitting almost every time. And the
Mets need pitching.
Cosmo2
You’re wrong, Chief, you’re projecting a viewpoint that isn’t there just so you can argue against it
seamaholic 2
Check again. They’re very good players, both of them.
dugmet
Asset allocation.
Say Hey Now Kid
They only cost meh money
HalosHeavenJJ
Eppler doing serious buying on Black Friday.
4 years is more than I expected for him.
Cosmo2
Wuuuuut?! NOW we’re cooking with grape seed oil!
zacharydmanprin
Overpay. They’ll regret it by summer 2023.
rct
If that means we’ll have a year and a half of something other than what we had last year, I’ll take it.
Cosmo2
Aren’t pretty much ALL contracts only really worth the first year or two?
Tannel809
Solid moves. Now they can attract free agent pitchers because they have a really good team OR trade for them since they have extra solid players (Smith, McNeil, Davis, maybe Nimmo?)
JackStrawb
You do actually need a bench.
Samuel
Said it when the reviews for FA’s came out…..
Nice guy.
The man will get 4 years. At best the fans will get 2 good ones out of him.
SFGLifer
Mets going bezerk! Good on them.
metsie1
Not sure why everyone is worried about age. Canha and Escobar are two year deals That’s not horrible. The last two years of Marte may not be great in CF but I don’t see Cohen losing sleep. All three players cost nothing but money. They still hold all their draft picks. Let’s see who they sign to pitch. Confident they will sign or perhaps trade for pitching.
Cosmo2
Money matters. But there are worse deals. It’s win now without sabotaging the future for years.
Best Screenname Ever
Plus Bobby Bonilla comes off the books soon.
swinging wood
Yeah, in 14 years.
jaysfansince1977
I do not think Bonilla’s 1.9 Mil tax hit moves the needle either way
tealmarlin
Dam Marlins, now they probably going for Avisail Garcia, exactly the type of player they like. Can never go for the big names.
jacknbd
Wonder now if they try to package jd Davis or dom smith with cano or someone to clear some salary and get rid of a log jam. Guardians?
Best Screenname Ever
Cano.
Gwynning's Anal Lover
I don’t Cano
Samuel
LOL
Sure, the Guardians are going to use their small market budget to spend $48m over the next 2 years on an over the hill player coming off his 2nd suspension, and more on a guy that can’t play D.
Smith may well work for them – but don’t expect a lot back. As for the money, they’ll use a fraction of that to extend Bieber.
In nurse follars
Everyone thinks Cleveland will trade value for cheap garbage. Cleveland FO makes generally solid trades. They wanted McNeil in the lindor discussions. I can see a small deal for him. He fits. Cano, Davis and smith do not.
Samuel
@ In nurse follars;
1. They took the Mets to the cleaners in that deal. Rosario had a better year than Lindor, they got a good middle infield prospect and a few other young prospects, and dumped Cookie’s salary. They were going to lose Lindor anyway.
2. Yes, McNeil would fit quite well. Tito would move him around as needed.
3. You’re wrong about Dom Smith. Cleveland doesn’t have a good 1B. Dom is an above average defensive 1B, is a line drive hitter that would do well at Progressive Field. Add in that I don’t think he’d be expensive to trade for. McNeil might be.
In nurse follars
Smith is too expensive and has few years of control left.
JackStrawb
@Samuel Consult fangraphs, statcast, or other sites with advanced defensive metrics. Dom would be one of the worst defensive 1Bmen in baseball.
Backup Catcher to the Backup Catcher
White Sox are crying for a 2B. I am certain they would love to have Jeff McNeil.
If the NL adopts the DH, and rumors persist that they will, should create a market for Davis and Smith. Though I hate to see Smith go. Love that guy.
jacknbd
Mets can throw in money to sweeten the deal. It’s a 2 year commitment I’m sure the guardians could handle it. How else can you acquire major league players without trading your best players
Samuel
@ jacknbd;
LOL
I don’t think you understand – Cleveland has some pretty high standards they expect out of players. They last thing they’ll do is take on a 40-some year-old for 2 years that has major hustle and attitude problems coming off of his 2nd suspension.
He doesn’t even belong on a ML team. Have some respect for a quality organization. Don’t put your gutter standards on them.
NMK 2
Cleveland had no problem signing Robert Alomar in 1998, just two years after he spit on an umpire. In 1994, Albert Belle was caught with corked bats and the police were called to investigate his teammates’ attempt to hide it. Reports of the team lying about Mickey Callaway’s inappropriate behavior were abound just this year.
Don’t get all high and mighty when your team is as dirty as the next.
Samuel
@ NMK 2;
1. The Guardians are not my team.
2. I know this will be complicated – but don’t stick what happened with a previous owner and front office on this one. Just cause past Mets fans have pretty much been morons, I’m sure you don’t want to be held accountable for that.
3. As for Callaway, that may well be true. But you’re assuming the FO and ownership knew that. And let’s keep in mind that the Mets later hired him as their manager.
Anthony Princeton
The Dolan’s have been owners since 2000, so not sure what anything the team did prior to them matters. Either way, the idea the Mets could get anything of value for Cano is laughable. The Mets would have to eat most of that contract and throw prospects in a deal because he has negative value. The roster spot alone has more value than Cano.
Cosmo2
That’s a bit extreme. I’m no fan but Cano is not THAT bad.
phenomenalajs
The only way Cano is going anywhere is with a bad contract coming back in the Mets direction.
8791Slegna
Don’t remember Billy being so busy in Anaheim.
DanielDannyDano
It’s easy when you have someone else’s credit card.
Mario93
Lol damnnn. Okay folks, now they’re looking better for sure. Eduardo Escobar, Mark Cahna, Starling Marte are very solid additions. All winning ball players who can help you win in their own right. Good job by the Mets, I’m glad they’re improving. Cohen is a funny guy, he truly has no brakes. Lol
In nurse follars
Marte is a player you gamble on. The other two are buyers remorse candidates.
JackStrawb
@In nurse follars Was just thinking along similar lines. Canha doesn’t do much more than Conforto did, Escobar is actually a downgrade over the 2.9 fWAR the Mets got from their multiheaded 2021 platoon. Only Marte is any sort of real upgrade.
DanielDannyDano
Except that Starling Marte is already 33 years old and his whole game is based on a declining asset, speed. See if you feel the same when Marte is 37 years old patrolling center field. Canha is the real gem here. Wait and see!
LongTimeFan1
@DanielDannyDano
Marte is terrific signing. He’s a dynamic, all around player whose speed hasn’t declined much while his aptitude has increased. 28.9 feet per second foot speed on average in 2016, 28.4 in 2021 which includes 22 bolts which is above 30 feet per second.
He’s also high on base and batting average and has pop.
Should he slow for CF at 36 or 37, he can be moved to a corner. I have no doubt Mets considered that when weighing whether to obtain. That 2-year deal for Canha, clears a corner for Marte.
Cosmo2
Good points, but I don’t see Marte’s bat lasting. He’s a one-two year CFr then will likely be an overpaid vet but still a good deal.
Say Hey Now Kid
Do all centerfielders have to move to the corner though (genuinely asking opinions). Didn’t Mike Cameron and Jim Edmonds play good CF even as they aged. JBJ could as well. It seems to me that the ones who move to the corner were never real CF in the first place
ClevelandSteelEngines
32 years old and older step right up and receive your money. Here at the Mets, we support the elderly.
Mlbfan78
This means Conforto is gone for sure.
TommyLasutton
Spotrac has the Mets over the $210MM threshold … even BEFORE the Marte signing. I was assuming the threshold for the next season would be over $210MM, but seeing as how everyone expects them to sign Baez AND some starting pitchers, what exactly am I missing??? Is Steve Cohen trying to dwarf the Dodgers horrible 2021 payroll spend?
JackStrawb
Signing Baez would be foolish indeed when the Mets have a 2Bman on hand who outperformed him in 2018 and 2020, and who’ll make about 1/$3m next season versus $100m+ for Baez.
Not to mention saddling the team with another aging veteran in decline just when the farm might be providing the next good Mets team.
metfan4ever
In nurse Escobar had 28 HR, plays 2b,ss,3b. Now they can move JD, Guillirme, & maybe McNeil. Cano back is adding up so if he does a David Wright insurance will pay. We can hope.
MLB Top 100 Commenter
Why was the Dodger spending horrible? To me, it is the Pirates and Marlins spending that is horrible. And yes Cohen must be open to spending more. Not building a winner just yet, but getting noticed.
Yankee Clipper
Underrated comment, Manny. Too bad people are still fooled by the smokescreen of trying to win, and treating the tanking teams like victims instead of leeches.
bhambrave
Agree with Manny. The Dodgers were on the brink of getting to the WS again, and might have gotten there except for some last minute injuries. I think the Marlins are close to starting to spend. We’ll see. The Pirates need to pull a Royals and sign some one-year vets to at least try to put an entertaining product on the field.
RobM
Significant overpay for a 33-year-old speed player coming off his career year.
JackStrawb
True, but they’re not doing anything for the next few years anyway, so why not have some fun?
Yankee Clipper
It’s a lot more than what I thought he would get which is probably why he’s jumping to sign. Nonetheless, they just took a great CF opportunity from Cashman because they spent money. Meanwhile, as of right now, we cough up a bunch of the farm for a legit CF or we trot out Hicks until his next injury.
Cashman’s waiting game…..again.
Samuel
You have an excellent rookie CF that can play a major league CF right now.
Yankee fans are allergic to developing their own players. Which is why they hit a wall years ago and continue to throw away money on aging players yet don’t get better.
Yankee Clipper
Most of what you say is easily dismissed, but I agree with your point on this one pertaining to Florial (I assume that’s the “rookie” you’re referring to). I even gave you a “like” even though I cried a little.
Here’s my point: they won’t. It’s either we get Marte (for example) or trot Boone’s pal “Hicksie” back out there. I am working within the constraints of the system – When Cashman shows he can change his MO, I will change my approach to what the philosophy should be going forward. I hope he proves me wrong.
Samuel
#@ Yankee Clipper.
Nothing I write can be “easily dismissed”.
I wrote that the Yankees only tried to hit HR’s, while ignoring playing D and manufacturing runs on O. I was reamed out by you and your buddies. Told how HR’s were the key to winning.
Recently they fired their hitting coach, and all you guys were writing posts about all they did was try to hit HR’s, and it wasn’t working….it was about time they let him go. LOL
–
Over the years I’ve dealt with guys just like you and your friends. I’d say the team had to stop doing this because it wasn’t working, and do something else. Years later many of the teams did what I was writing and got better. One went to the WS 3-4 years later. It wasn’t because I wrote something on a chatroom board (that they never saw), it was because sooner or later FO’s learn.
Yankee Clipper
Oh, Samuel, I highly doubt I reamed you out for that comment about their D. Why? Because their defense was flawed, all year. And I agreed with too much swing-and-miss, although I must admit, I don’t recall you writing about that. I don’t doubt someone got on to you about your opinion regarding our offensive woes though.
Nonetheless, Samuel, I am objective in my assessment of the Yankees. I have been all over them (Cash, Boone, Hal) for many roster construction decisions, plate-approaches, in-game strategy, and their one-dimensional overarching ideology. But, I do listen when people promote the TTO offense, although I tend toward the old-school style lineup/roster. And, statistically, home runs win games, which win series, which win postseasons.
itstimefordodgersbaseball
“Nothing I write can be easily dismissed”
lol someone woke up on their high horse today. I just easily dismissed your comments cause I don’t care about what you have to say after reading that. If you really do know it all and why aren’t you working in a front office?
Bud Selig Fan
He’s right.
Nothing he writes can be easily dismissed. Instead of brainlessly dismissing Samuel and drawing attention to your own ignorance, you might want to really think about what he writes and get some forward thinking baseball education.
nukeg
I like Eppler, but I’m thinking the same thing. Perhaps the strategy is indeed to overpay to get “their guy”, but on paper, signing a 33 year old for 4 years when his primary value is his legs is a bit of a head scratcher. History has not been kind to a deal like this.
WilletsPt
Well see, if he produces near this year’s numbers, it’s not an overpay at all. He was the most in-demand outfielder on the market with reported interest from a dozen teams. MLBTR predicted 4/80, so it seems this was in the expected range.
Buckner
@RobM – every player in a contract drive HAS a career year. No matter the age.
Ask Javier Baez.
And Marcus Stroman..
swinging wood
Mets love PED guys.
Ronk325
This contract will probably look good for the first 2 years then ugly for the last 2. Unfortunately for the Mets they won’t be particularly good until the latter part of this deal
JackStrawb
@Ronk325 Exactly. The Canha-Escobar deals fill roster spots for a couple of years, then let the team duck back under the LT threshold in 2024. Marte saddles them with a 35-36 yo OFer in 2024-2025 for $20m per. He’ll be fun to watch, though, and the Mets probably weren’t going to be competitive until 2026 at the soonest.
raulito23
Han hecho 3 buenas movidas, solo deben mejorar el picheo con piezas nuevas y tratar d renovar a Stroman.
taito2000
At least he was a free agent. So it’s a bit less of a fire sale in Oakland
beersy
Eppler’s not messing around!!
RobM
This is a buying binge. That’s Cohen, not Eppler.
Dustyslambchops23
The Mets are skipping a peak and going right to expensive, aging non compete phase.
They are building the 2013 Phillies
Yankee Clipper
I laughed pretty hard when I read this. Thank you.
MLB Top 100 Commenter
Dusty,
Unless….
They have the highest payroll in history of baseball.
Suppose they go sign Scherzer, Ray, Gausman and Stroman. They would then seem solid to at least be a wild card!
Angry Disgruntled Sox Fan
@MannyBeingMVP Yeah, that was said at the beginning of 2021 too. For years Mets have had DeGrom and Syndergaard, along with at least one other quality pitcher and they still managed to make the postseason 1 out of 5 years.
joblo
Still paying Bobby Bonilla. Just sayin’.
Chris G.
I never understand why the Mets get slaughtered for Bonilla. They get a such bad rap for it, but every single team does it and Bobby Bo’s isn’t even close to the worst. It’s just the only deferred contract people have heard of because it somehow became such a mainstream diss.
Bruce Sutter retired in 1989 and the Braves have been paying him $1.12 million every year since and will continue through 2022 PLUS $9.1 million at principal. That’s insane.
The Orioles will be paying Chris Davis $2.8 million a year until 2037 (OUCH) and they’ll also be paying Alex Cobb $1.82 million until 2035.
The Reds are still paying Griffey $3.594 million a year until 2024.
The Red Sox are paying Manny $1.968 million a year until 2026 and Pedroia $2.25 million until 2026. They’ll also be paying Sale $10 million a year from 2035-2039.
The Mariners are paying Ichiro $1.923 million until 2032.
The Brewers will be paying Braun $1.8 million a year until 2031.
The Cardinals will be paying Holliday $1.5 million a year until 2029.
The Rockies are still paying Helton $1.31 million a year until 2023.
The Nats will be paying Strasburg $10 million! a year until 2030 even though his contract expires in 2023. On top of paying Scherzer $15 million! a year until 2028, even though his contract expired in 2021. That’s $25 million a year for two pitchers that won’t be on their roster.
MLB Top 100 Commenter
Good research but paying Griffey, Ichiro or Max sounds better than Bonilla!
WilletsPt
Thank you for doing the research to write this out. Just goes to show you that the fans here and baseball media in general love the tired trope.
MLB Top 100 Commenter
The Mets started the week hypothetically thinking let’s sign Stroman, Gray and Matz and ended up with Marte, Canha and Escobar. The problem is that they do not have a lot of good trade bait for a strong starting pitcher. Let’s assume that Alonso, Baty and Lindor are untouchable. What can you get for Nimmo, Squirrel, Davis and D. Smith? If I were the Rockies, I would be interested in Smith. Maybe the Cubs would trade a pitcher (not a good one) for Squirrel. Maybe an AL team would trade a fringe pitcher for Davis. And Nimmo could be a fourth outfielder for Mets. Fun hot stove, but not what I would have done. At least not unless they still intend to sign two to three quality starting pitchers.
phenomenalajs
Nimmo would probably want to go to Colorado since his family is about an hour up the road in Wyoming. Nimmo and Freeland are both Arb 3 with similar salaries, so their control is coming to an end, but I’m sure the Rockies would want more than Nimmo for a former Cy Young contender (I think he finished 4th a couple years ago). Not sure if they’d be more likely to give up Senzatela straight up for Nimmo.
phenomenalajs
I just saw that Senzatela was recently extended five years, so that wouldn’t be likely.
Buckner
Just my opinion (worth less), but pitchers get developed and hitters can be purchased on the open market.
Guys like S Gray and Gausman were tossed aside by impatient teams and look what happened. Even Alex Cobb MAY be figuring things out.
I’d prefer to see the Mets get some pitchers on one-two year deals (R Hill only as an example of a name), and trade some of the new excess (Dom Smith, McNeil, etc) for some minor league pitchers.
Metsin777
Why sign Canha when they signed Marte, I dont understand the move. Just seems like added payroll
Yankee Clipper
If Eppler is anything like Cashman, which he is, since he learned from Cashman, and therefore thinks like Cashman by his own admission, this is an indication of other moves to come regarding your OF. I’m not familiar enough to opine what/who, but the strategy I have seen over and over again with Cashman.
The difference here is unlike Cashman, Eppler is actually signing players.
Chris G.
Nimmo is the only real starting outfielder on the roster. McNeil, Smith and JD are all subpar out there and out of position. Smith and JD are almost surely goners in trades. McNeil is the 2B unless Baez is resigned. If Baez does resign, then McNeil becomes a utility bench piece that can start any day.
seamaholic 2
Canha plays left, Marte center. Really good hitting OF. Not so great w the glove but tolerable. Escobar plays 3rd, Davis shifts to DH. Pretty solid. Now let’s see what SP’s they want.
Cosmo2
Yep. Really need SPs now.
Samuel
Appears they have position players available to trade for some.
I’d expect a major signing as well,
Yankee Clipper
Seamaholic: I think Marte’s ability in CF also downgrades the necessity for Cahna’s glove to be as good. As an antithetical example, look at the Yanks. The CFers we put there, although mostly passable, aren’t true CFers, so it necessitates LF being better (fortunately Gallo is).
A true CFer like Marte patrolling out there? I believe this will make both corners much better by virtue of the ground they won’t have to cover now, because Marte will cover it alley-to-alley. I see the Cahna move as incredibly complementary to Marte’s signing.
joebourgeois
Canha in RF if he can throw at all, because Nimmo really can’t.
Cosmo2
They needed 2 outfielders that’s why. Also, quality depth.
PutPeteRoseInTheHall
Are the Mets going to be competitive this year?
MLB Top 100 Commenter
Tell me if Jacob will start 25 or more games, and that will influence my opinion more than signing an extra position player. But if the Mets get two or three more solid starting pitchers, then you have to put them in the mix even if they are doing it the wrong way.
metfan4ever
In nurse Escobar had 28 HR, plays 2b,ss,3b. Now they can move JD, Guillirme, & maybe McNeil. Cano back is adding up so if he does a David Wright insurance will pay. We can hope.
joebourgeois
Keep Guillorme, who has zero trade value anyway and can protect the dugout from flying bats.
BravesFan70
As a Braves fan, these moves by the Mets look solid.
MLB Top 100 Commenter
Morton Fried and Anderson versus injured Jacob Walker and Pederson.
Cohen should have hired AA.
clrrogers
Save some for the rest of us.
terry g
The Mets are not sitting still this year. They need pitching which will come later via trade or FA. I think FA starters this off season will cost more than expected.
Larry Bernandez 1324IM
Shades of Alomar, Vaughn, Burnitz comes to mind. Alot of spending just to finish mediocre
Samuel
Yes, Jay Bruce, Cabrara. etc.
Mollify the fans. Win the off-season.
Guys over 30 get hurt and don’t heal that fast. Ones game goes to pot.
It’ll bring a sugar high to Mets fans, and I think they deserve it.
RobM
Every player they signed today they did at a significant premium. Perhaps a Cohen temper tantrum after the Matz debacle?
MLB Top 100 Commenter
Actually I thought Marte would get that AAV just over three years rather than four.
joebourgeois
MLBTR predictions earlier this month:
Marte 4/80
Escobar 2/20
Canha 2/24
Happyfoolsteve
Nice additions by the Mets. Now they need a leader. Time to give Showalter a call.
MLB Top 100 Commenter
Trade D. Smith and Squirrel to Rockies for Bud Black. I am serious, Schmidt may want his own man and Black would be perfect!
❤️ MuteButton
It seems like the Mets tend to make emotional decisions over tactical decisions
Chemo850
I’m both disappointed and relieved the Marlins didn’t bring him back. I had him signing for 4/70 so the numbers are about right. I think he’ll hold up OK for the first two years but the last two would be a bit concerning. Kinda strange they signed him though. I figured they could have just kept Conforto for 5/100 and he’ll most likely outperform Marte given both of their age and trajectories. I suspect Conforto must really not have wanted to return because if they had a choice between either one then I think they chose incorrectly.
MLB Top 100 Commenter
Marte will outperform Conforto for the first two years.
Chemo850
Conforto has drastically outplayed Marte 2 out of the last 3 years according to WAR….so I’m not sure what makes you think that now that Marte is past his prime and Conforto is entering his prime.
bravesfan88
Good lord where have all these Mets fans been hiding the past handful of months???
These signings have them coming out of the woodworks like cousins when a man wins the lottery…
WilletsPt
Lol we’re here but generally there’s not much to comment on. There’s also so much anti-Mets discourse on this website by a bunch of the every post commenters, who for some reason think one delusional fan represents the fan base.
stymeedone
If you let that one delusional fan be the only voice, what else would you expect to happen?
jp82
And to think the Marlins coulve extended him for half of that
Cohens_Wallet
Cohen wanted to model the Dodgers way, the only way to do it is to spend so to wait on the farm to develop.
2015 Dodgers payroll was 317 million at seasons end. That was 7 YEARS ago!! With inflation average of 1.5% per year that would be a 345 million dollar payroll for the Mets present day.
Not saying the Mets will, but as long as a team already paved the way there shouldn’t be a problem with mimicking the very successful process of the Dodgers.
Dustyslambchops23
Now do the same thing with the High pay roll teams who haven’t made the playoffs or even finished above .500
Spending only gets you so far, if you don’t draft, develop, acquire and give the money to the right players, it’s all for not. They are still 7 good years away from any Present day Dodger comparisons
Cohens_Wallet
Agreed, but if they follow that process correctly they’d be right in line with 2015 Dodger comparisons. Baby steps, get to the playoffs first and go from there.
The need for the high payroll is to draft, develop and afford time till the young ones arrive. Smart business.
jakec77
Assuming Conforto, JD Davis, and Dom Smith are all gone- is the lineup really that much better? Defense should be improved, but given how much they spent, was it worth it?
I guess that depends on what they are able to get back for Davis and Smith.
angt222
Can’t help but feel this one is a slight overpay.
Cosmo2
For Marte? Maybe but that’s still actually less than I thought he’d get so… I think (hope?) they’ll get one good year out of him, then I expect quick decline.
Yankee Clipper
Wouldn’t surprise me if Marte is primed for at least two, maybe even three, good years. Dude’s in great shape and has great contact skills, obviously. I think this deal will be very favorable in terms of his performance. If it’s not, nobody can honestly claim they knew he was going to tank- we’d all love him as a CFer on our team.
Rsox
Marte, Canha, Escobar. Eppler got a hold of daddy’s credit card and went shopping.
Yankee Clipper
Easy to tell how odd this offseason is already…John Heyman has brought forth 3 signings (I believe) and reported them first and accurately. What a strange, strange offseason so far.
Mynameisnoname
Haha, good job Cohen. Hal is looking worse and worse by the minute in the NY papers.
Baseball_dude
Lot of signings for the Mets today, but also over $100 million spent on aging hitters.. I don’t know
mumsy01
Escobar is meant as Hedge if Mets trade McNeil or don’t get Baez. They were never getting Bryant for third with Baty and Vientos coming. If they get Baez then McNeil can play some LF and some 3B.
Cosmo2
No, I think he’s part of an actual plan, not a contingency for the future. GMs don’t work backwards like that. Why can’t he just be replacing Villar?
LongTimeFan1
@cosmo2
I agree Escobar seems like Villar replacement even down to the switch hitting.
slogar1
I don’t know about signing 3 players that each will be age 33 to multiyear contracts, (2) for 2 years and (1) for 4 years.
LongTimeFan1
@slogar1
I think a very good 6 hours for the Mets.
They replaced Villar with Escobar
Signed a corner outfielder.
Signed the very athletic Marte who looks like someone who will age well.
With these players they filled various needs – including improved speed, base stealing, OBP, batting average, players playing their natural positions and improving contact.
They retain contract flexibility with two, 2 year deals.
They can move Nimmo to a corner where he’s better suited.
They’ve improved outfield speed in 2 of 3 slots. The 3rd slot is still Nimmo who’s very fast.
KD17
Marte is the best signing of the off season. Red Sox could have used him in attempt to fill the void left by Mookie (leadoff man with speed and power). Canha and Escobar are both streaky players who are capable of carrying a ball club for a week or two when the big hitters are struggling. They are also capable of comparable cold streaks. Overall the Marte signing gets an A+, the other two get a B+. All will have greater impact than Bloom signing Wacha in Boston or so many of the other insignificant signings that have happened thus far.
Angry Disgruntled Sox Fan
I don’t know. Mets seem to find ways to lose even with these signings.
jorge78
The Mets are back baby!
User 2079935927
I have a question for the Met Fans.
Are you a Mets fan because you hate the Yankees.?
I don’t want to know how long you’ve been a Mets fan.
I want to know why?
sfes
Why are you a fan of your favorite team? That’s a stupid question
User 2079935927
Why is it a stupid question? You must of started following the Mets team for a reason. I’m a Angels fan. I’ve been following them since 1972 when Nolan Ryan was with them. I grew up in Orange County. Could have easily been a Dodger fan. A very good % of Angel fans can’t stand the Dodgers. I’m thinking it’s because they were always competitive unlike the Angels were until the late 70’s. BTW Thank you for those that responded to my question.
sfes
So you grew up in the area they play, liked a hall of fame player they had, basically the same as most of us. I take back the ‘stupid’ question part. I apologize as well. I took it the wrong way as if you were just jumping on the lolmets bandwagon. They could revive a 29 year old Willie Mays and still hear it here. The Thor signing must have excited you. For years the Angels have been a couple starters away from being a really good team. I kinda envy you with the amazing players you have. You guys could crank out a dominant run. Trout belongs in the playoffs every year.
sfes
And yes I think the reason a lot of Mets fans dislike the Yanks is because of their success, like you were saying regarding the Angels and Dodgers. A lot of us also grew up with obnoxious Yankees fans rubbing it in on bad years for us.
WilletsPt
Not sure if your question was earnest but I’ll answer. My family moved to New York in 1995 when I was 9 as the Yankees dynasty was beginning. I liked underdogs and I loved how the late 90s teams performed well with a cast of misfits.
For others, alot of people from Queens (population 2.3 million) consider the Mets their true home team. Many households were national league fans from the days of the giants and dodgers and the Mets were created to honor the legacy of those teams.
Finally, it is hard being a fan of the Mets, and there’s been alot of heartbreak. But they’ve had some amazing players and teams. They’ve been to the WS twice and the NLCS several more times since I’ve been a fan. It’s not all doom and gloom
sfes
The Mets win and lose in spectacular fashion. They break our hearts, but win them over forever in the process. And not all of us ‘hate’ the Yankees. I flip over to YES a lot to watch them, just cause I love baseball. I dislike NL rivals way more than the Yankees.
sfes
You’re right WilletsPt (love the name too btw.). Since I’ve been a fan, 3 WS appearances – 86, 2000, 2015, NLCS in 88, 99, 06, and WC game loss in ‘16
the Noid
I’m not sure I would classify the ’99 infield of Olerud, Alfonzo, Ordonez and Ventura as misfits; along with Piazza, that was a solid core of players. The outfield might have been another story but not the aforementioned players.
sfes
Some consider it to be the greatest defensive IF ever
sfes
But if I must answer this honestly, my grandfather was a NY baseball Giants fan and my grandmother a Brooklyn Dodgers fan. In a way it was just sorta natural, but when I was a kid they had some great players I liked, such as Strawberry, Gooden, Carter, Hernandez. I just gravitated towards them. I had season tickets even to Shea Stadium during some of the really awful years and have watched every game I can since I was a sperm cell essentially. The tri-state area goes nuts when they win. The Yanks are the expected to win, but when the Mets do, even all my Yankee fan friends will pull for them. They draw lots of fans at away games. It’s a party in NYC when they win. I’ve been to several stadiums and SF and Pitt were the nicest, but being at Shea Stadium during a playoff game was an experience I’d never forget. The place rocked at the foundation. But still, why are you a fan of whoever? Pretty sure it’s the same reason for most baseball fans.
♪
Marte doesn’t walk much. He could become a liability if his speed and bat slow down. Definitely would have been something to consider as his age, but obviously a gamble Cohen is willing to take.
sfes
I agree with you, his game is entirely reliant on his athleticism and contact ability. But it seems money isn’t an issue and they’re keeping what little prospect depth they have and trying to stay competitive while rebuilding the FO and farm system. Trying to emulate what LAD did.
HawaiiPhil2020
Mets now have mlb trade capital to trade for pitching or lottery tix from other teams Plus 2 great first round pics and pics coming for Thor & Conforto
Say Hey Now Kid
Who would trade with them? How many teams have surplus pitching that feel Smith, Davis, McNeil would put them over the edge?
gregorydefelice
This is a signing where all NL team know the universal DH is coming. If not, Mets got duped.
Angry Disgruntled Sox Fan
It is interesting how quickly the Mets build a team only to have it decimated by the end of the season.
Mets think nothing of chemistry- buy a bunch of guys, put them together and hope they win. That’s the mentality.
beersy
As a Padre fan, that was the one thing I was worried about last off season. Without question Preller & Co. brought in a ton of talent, but expecting all the pieces to gel quickly was my concern. We all saw how 2021 played out for the Padres, injuries definitely hurt, but team chemistry was also a factor. And of course that damn Swag Chain didn’t help matters either.
This is an exciting day for Mets fans and looks to be an exciting off season In general.
Brew’88
I didn’t see a problem with the Pad’s team chemistry, other than perhaps with Tingler. The players, at least through mid-August, played with a joy few other teams showed. Sure players got frustrated while losing 80% of their games during last 7 weeks of season, who wouldn’t?
whyhayzee
Four Mets articles! And not one mentions someone turning them down for a job. Things are looking up. Finally.
statechamps0407
Mets just need to go on make that blockbuster for Means AND Mullins…Mullins in CF, Marte and Nimmo in the corners
28rings
He and Cano can hang out together when they fail another PED test
dclivejazz
Unless the Mets beef up their pitching, this surge of signings is a great deal of sound and fury signifying nothing. But they might pull it off.
msqboxer
Some of these seems like a knee jerk reaction to Matz signing with the Cardinals..solid players but I can’t believe the Canha or Escobar deals had a lot of competition and who signs with a team that has no manager? Well let’s hope Cohen doesn’t stop there..might as well throw some more 2 year deals and out bid for the Kershaw’s and Rodon’s and take a chance.
Inside Out
Now that is a good signing. Phillies GM should be be fired. Mets other signings now make sense.
Yankeesniper
you/build/a/team/that/can/first/win/your/division/and/worry/about/what/comes/afterward
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s/when/you/get/to/it
Marlinssuck
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Yankeesniper
wow is my keyboard screwed up this morning
meant to say you first build a team to win your division and worry about what comes afterward when you get there.
Marlins suck, Nats suck, Phillies meh, Braves are your target and outside of having stepped in crap in the postseason, they are eminently beatable for the division title.
Every move so far is a step in that direction. If you knew how each move would turn out you wouldn’t be posting here you would be a god in the world of baseball.
Doing something is better than doing nothing.
flyingblindsquirrel
Mets doing to the A’s what the Angels did to the Mets.
the outlaw
Way to go Cashman
DonOsbourne
I checked my calendar. It turns out it’s not 1993 anymore, but it sure feels like it.
mitchladd
So what you’re saying is even billionaires rage shop?
msqboxer
I’m thinking the Mets have already narrowed in on a manager and they may be part of this process behind the scenes. If I’m a Buck Showalter, Bruce Bochy or Sciosia I’m looking for a veteran team.
Milwaukee-2208
Mets got stars from wish.com
Thought they would be after Bryant and Castellanos types? Ya know? Difference makers
Bill M
Marte isn’t a difference maker? As a Mets fan, I’m expecting more of a difference with Marte than I would be with Castellano.
AgeeHarrelsonJones
Look at Atlanta’s difference makers (deadline acquisitions) Baseball was and always will be a team sport. It’s too easy ti be deceived by apparent stardom and difficult to evaluate the middle of the road players who help teams win championships. In 86, the Mets had a future HOFer and three should-have-been HOFers but they were a great 108 win team because of the gritty play of Tim Teufel, Len Dykstra, Wally Backman, Jesse Orosco and a handful of others
stymeedone
I am amazed at people that dismiss the Canha and Escobar signings. They are not superstars but they are solid ML regulars. I dismissed the Tigers signing of Grossman last year. Boy, was i wrong. Its amazing how with the emphasis on OBP, fans still do not appreciate the value of a walk on paper. Canha will quickly be a fan favorite. Escobar comes reasonably priced and is coming off a down year. He provides additional lineup flexibility. More depth to get thru injuries is always good. If you think no other team was interested, you are wrong. The difference is the Mets have the payroll to be able to make them priorities now, without having to worry that signing them now, may put them out of the running for a pitcher they need more.
Datashark
Canha 32 only plus is walks….agism will dwindle him useless soon, Canha is a below avg player outside walks.
Escobar (32) while has shown some pop, but playing for a contract might have something to do with that. Now he settles in with final contract watch him go lazily into retirement cause its likely agism will affect him soon..
Mets are signing too many aging players.- the risk is what they will be tied to in 2023 – I expect that will be a big down year for the team. 2024 they get 24m off cano books so there is that.
Cosmo2
Good moves, but 32 is kind of old for baseball
the Noid
@ Datashark, Escobar will be the Mets place holder at 3rd base until Brett Baty shows he is ready later in 2022, or 2023. JD Davis will be the odd man out at 3rd.
Cosmo2
Maybe, maybe not
GETBUCKETS
I can easily see this signing be good for one season and then his production falls off after that.
Time will tell.
Vince Camp
Marte,Canha,Escobar. All on the wrong side of 30. I don’t know, It seems to me that’s a lot of money to invest in some of these guys that are already past their prime. New York can get away with these kinds of moves,but the average teams can’t. My mother used to say that if you have the gun powder,you can shoot.
Obviously the Mets and Yanks have quite an arsenal and don’t have to worry about buyers remorse like we do in Cleveland.
mlbnyyfan
So Cashman is still sitting on his thumbs not doing a damn thing. Or is Steinbrener being cheap again.
sergefunction
You mom was quite the pistol.
Cosmo2
You’re right, but putting together a team through free agency is inevitably going to involve signing guys on the wrong side of 30.
DadsInDaniaBeach
All the Met talk the past few years was just that, talk..Now however, they are putting their wallet to use in a meaningful way….as a Phillies Phan, I would say the Mets just made the NL East into a beast of a division..I can see the Mets and Braves going to the wire..The Phils still have a lot of holes..Still, it is early and Dave Dombrowski might have just gotten the nudge he needed to make it a 3 team race..
We all know the Guppies are a very talented young team and may still b a year or two away.. The Nationals have yet to be heard from..should be a fun year..Congrats Mets…Your team had a really nice day..
the Noid
@DadsinDaniaBeach
To be fair, the Mets were all talk in the past because of their previous owners…believe me, they made it difficult to be a Mets fan..little Jeffy Wilpon would talk up a good game and talk about things like “Fan Loyalty Oaths” and hiring amateurs to be GM so he could pin the blame on them when things went wrong! And yes, Steve Cohen’s ownership got off to a rocky start as the front office was in flux and still had the stench of the Wilpon years permeating it. Hopefully these recent transactions along with finally hiring a GM, who has previous experience (as opposed to a GM who was a player agent the previous season) shows the fanbase that the organization has FINALLY turned the corner and will go in the right direction!
Camden453
Well, it’s not like they can sign a young prospect as a free agent
Yeah, they’re old, but that’s all there is on the free agent market
Camden453
Even if they add Baez, the lineup is
Nimmo
Canha
Lindor
Alonso
Baez
Marte
McNeil
McCann
I don’t know if that really gets it done
And then there’s injuries. That won’t be the lineup most of the time
But you also have Dom Smith, JD Davis, Escobar, Cano on the bench. Overall it’s a pretty strong group offensively
johnnynoitall
Say Hey Now Kid
Nimmo, Canha, and Marte all seem like leadoff hitters. What do you guys think the Mets lineup will look like?
mlbnyyfan
The Mets bold move IMO should of been Freeman. Steal a player from your top competition
Cosmo2
Problem is, they don’t need Freeman. Their most reliable offensive player, Alonso, plays first and they already have approximately 11,000 DHs.
AgeeHarrelsonJones
Freeman is a future HOFer.
But he’s been a Brave and will probably stay a Brave. Has deep roots in the community.
Cosmo2
Nimmo leads off. Nimmo should always lead off.
AgeeHarrelsonJones
Nimmo will walk. Canha will walk. Lots of runners on the basepaths for Pete next year!
TradeAcuna
I believe these moves are good for the Mets. They really needed to remake their offense and they did. I don’t believe Canha and Escobar are difference-makers, but then again when the Braves got Rosario and Soler, many didn’t think they were difference-makers either.
and for the love for Mr. Met, don’t bring back Stroman. It is ironic how I’ve been saying the guy is all ego, and now he posts on Twitter about how the Mets don’t want him. The guy can’t STFU. The Mets don’t need another Twitter clown on their team.
Datashark
Mets are signing onto some long term deals with players that are already past their prime aged years, while it may have a run for one year but several year contracts with players over 33 tend to drop off significantly after. Cano 2 years left is still on the books, then escobar, Canha now Marte
The Mets will be called the cocoon team soon. they will have so many over 33 years making hefty salaries…that will surely lock them to misery.
AgeeHarrelsonJones
Did you read the article? two of the signings are for two years. And presumably you’re not a Met fan so youre not aware of Brett Baty…
JoeBrady
The Mets signed three guys, and all three are either 33 or soon to be 33?
Cosmo2
This is the problem with relying on quantity through free agency. You sign guys that are old. (Did I just refer to men almost two decades younger than me as “old”? Ugh).
AgeeHarrelsonJones
Yup. I am sure the data crunchers know something about the productivity of 33 year olds…Seriously, I’d file this under the “illusory correlation aka coincidence” bucket. All three players do fit the Moneyball mold, ie, theres value beneath the surface numbers
Buckner
In response to JoeBrady:
And???
creacher
Haha, da Mets, oh they’re still da Mets
Y2KAK
The lesson is: Never annoy Steve Cohen.
AgeeHarrelsonJones
Mets will be walking a lot next year. And stealing more, too. Moneyball is alive And well in Queens. A very good night for Eppler, Alderson, and Cohen. Now, a few starters would be helpful.
HBan22
This was the hitter the Mets needed to land in my opinion. We’ll have to see what they end up doing with the pitching staff before grading their offseason obviously, but I think the Marte/Canha/Escobar signings are a step in the right direction for a team that clearly wants to compete next season. I doubt Cohen cares much about going over the luxury tax at this point. If nothing else, he clearly wants to win.
CluHaywood
Damn…this was the one I wanted the White Sox to sign more than any other. His ability to get on base would have made that team even more dangerous.
tiredolddude
Good guy and hard worker who suffered tragedy and rose from poverty in the DR. Good speed and glove and I’m happy for him, but sure seems like the Mets overpaid here. Enjoyed watching him here in Pittsburgh, despite continually waving at curve balls or sliders in the dirt, and during occasional brain freezes on the base paths
outinleftfield
$124 million on 3 over the hill players in 24 hours. Only the Mets.
creacher
As a Yankee fan I will never believe it till I see it. They’re still, da Mets ahahah
meckert
And you’re still a moron.
meckert
ahahah!
MarlinsFanBase
Congrats to Starling Marte. You were once not as good as Conforto, Nimmo and Dom Smith, and played an antiquated form of baseball with SBs when you were playing elsewhere. Now that you wear a Mets uniform, you are now their best player, one of the best OFs in MLB, and bring a needed and rare element of stealing bases to the game and the Mets.