The San Diego Padres and Seattle Mariners have agreed to a three-player trade. The Padres will send All-Star second baseman Adam Frazier to Seattle for left-handed reliever Ray Kerr and outfielder Corey Rosier, reports ESPN’s Jeff Passan (via Twitter). Both teams have announced the deal, making it official.
Frazier certainly fits the mold of the type of offensive contributor that GM Jerry Dipoto tends to covet. Case and point, the Mariners were said to be interested in Frazier at the trade deadline before he ultimately landed in San Diego.
The soon-to-be 30-year-old is a contact-first bat and well-rounded player who can cover second base on a regular basis or move to the outfield. Though his defensive versatility is a plus, his bat plays best if he’s manning the keystone. Right now, that’s where he is most likely to get the bulk of his playing time. He will share the middle infield with J.P. Crawford, while Abraham Toro and Ty France fill out the infield as Dylan Moore moves into a super utility role.
Frazier was an All-Star last season with the Pirates before slowing down in San Diego. Still, he posted 4.0 rWAR and an overall slash line of .305/.368/.411 over 639 plate appearances between the Pirates and Padres. Frazier is projected to make around $7.2MM in arbitration in what will be his final season before free agency, so he rates as a relatively low-risk, low-cost acquisition for the Mariners.
While a solid contributor, it would be difficult to rank him as a true “difference-maker.” His lack of pop (.131 career ISO) makes him more of a line mover than a run creator, though he will lengthen the Mariners’ lineup and make life difficult on opposing pitchers by putting the ball in play and vying for a high batting average.
Truth be told, he’s a fairly similar player in form and function to his new double play partner in Crawford: sure-handed defenders, light on power and patience, who run well and excel at putting bat-to-ball. Don’t be surprised to see Frazier near the top of the Mariners’ batting order on a regular basis, regardless of where they put his glove.
In terms of his approach, Frazier walked in just 7.5 percent of his plate appearances, below the league-average 8.5 percent walk rate. At the same time, he struck out in a mere 10.8 percent of his plate appearances, a much stronger rate than the 22.3 percent league average. In short, Frazier puts pressure on defenses, while minimizing mistakes on the other end. He’s a quality contributor and the type of player that will give manager Scott Servais plenty of options on both ends.
In exchange for one season of Frazier, the Mariners are sending a hard-throwing southpaw reliever in Kerr and a young outfielder in Rosier. Neither have appeared on prospect lists, though Kerr did appear in Fangraphs’ supplemental “Arm Strength Relief Sorts” section. Wrote Fangraphs, “Kerr is a late-bloomer who came into big velo ahead of the pandemic. He can dunk a basketball and has superlative weight room exploits as well as rare lefty velo, inconsistently up to 99. His splitter flashes plus and the Mariners have worked with his slider enough to create viable sweep on the pitch but it was a 30 the last I saw it. The strike-throwing and secondary consistency are present issues, too.”
At 27 years old without a Major League appearance, Kerr could be considered a non-prospect, though his ability to hit triple-digits on the radar gun provides some intrigue as a potential power arm out of the bullpen. He was signed as a non-drafted free agent back in 2017, beginning his career as a two-way player, though he has focused on pitching in recent years. The athletic ability is clearly there, the question being whether it can be channeled to turn him from a “thrower” to a “pitcher,” as the saying goes.
Last season, Kerr tossed 39 2/3 innings across 36 appearances in Double-A and Triple-A with a combined 3.18 ERA, inspiring 36.8 percent strikeout rate, and 9.8 percent walk rate. For a Padres team that’s prioritizing pitching depth this offseason, Kerr is a solid gamble to add to the 40-man roster.
Rosier, 22, was a 12th round pick in last year’s amateur draft, signing for a $125K bonus. The Maryland native played his college ball at UNC Greensboro, and he was the #249th ranked prospect in the draft, per Baseball America. He played most of last season in Low-A Modesto, slashing an impressive .390/.461/.585 in 141 plate appearances. He projects as an extra outfielder with the ability to play centerfield. At the plate, his limited power is his biggest shortcoming.
Kerr and Rosier aren’t prospects at the level of Tucupita Marcano, Jack Suwinski, and Michell Miliano, the prospect San Diego sent to Pittsburgh to acquire Frazier at the deadline. That said, there’s no reason to think they’d get back fair value. Kerr fits a need and Rosier helps backfill the farm system at a lower level.
The more motivating factor in this deal for San Diego is financial. Frazier’s deal wasn’t exorbitant, but for a team with limited payroll flexibility, clearing Frazier’s deal from the payroll helps. With Jake Cronenworth, Ha-Seong Kim and Jurickson Profar all under contract, the Padres are set with second base/utility types, where Frazier best profiles. With the financial savings, President of Baseball Ops A.J. Preller can look to re-invest into the pitching staff or in finding an impact bat for an outfield corner.
Milwaukee-2208
Lol padres
The Mets "Missed WAR"
How did I know TC Zencka wrote this article? Oh, yeah. Frazier “can player second base” and “his bat plays best is he’s manning the keystone.” That’s how.
That’s actually pretty good as far as TC articles go.
Texas Outlaw
It’s free (or nearly free) content. Be kind or bugger off.
traveling man
Just because something is free,it doesn’t mean that you must do a horrible job!
Chipper Jones' illegitimate kid
Free shouldn’t be a way to obfuscate the fact that this site could be better. A copy editor is not a huge expense and could vastly improve the quality of the site when typos and oddly worded phrases are a consistent complaint.
Either way, great move for the Mariners. Questionable for the Padres.
thickiedon
Copy editor?!? How about proofread before submitting?
aloop
@thickiedon
Offspring of two retired copy editors here: reporters/writers DO proofread their stories. However sometimes they don’t catch everything, even the big stuff. (And with nearly every news site wanting a quick turn around these days, there are bound to be mistakes). This is where copy editors come in: they are a good defense against blunders and word salad and can point out to a reporter or writer “hey, that doesn’t make sense?” or “what are you trying to say here??” and work with the writer to make it better. So yeah… a copy editor WOULD be a good (and relatively cheap) expense.
SalaryCapMyth
@traveling man. Couldn’t you have put a space after your statements comma? Just because we can read your sentence for free doesn’t mean it has to have horrible punctuation.
SalaryCapMyth
@Chipper. Since it’s a small expense, would you like to pay for it?
Seriously, people complaining about something that’s free is a complete Karen move. If it bothers you so much, purchase a subscription from The Athletic.
Deadguy
Everytime I come here I see chipper Jones illegitimate kid commenting, so the site must not be doing to bad
Poster formerly known as . . .
It’s naturally difficult to proof one’s own writing. The human brain is wired to make corrections as we read — filling in missing letters, supplying missing words, etc. — without our necessarily being conscious that it’s doing it. If you’ve ever encountered one of those experimental paragraphs full of deliberately omitted or transposed letters in the words, which, nevertheless, are easily intelligible, you’ve experienced those brain functions at work. That’s why proofreaders team-read important documents; so mistakes that one proofer overlooks might be caught by a teammate.
Paleobros
statement’s 😉
The Mets "Missed WAR"
OMG, people! I didn’t mean for this to degenerate into some kind of argument about a free site and writing and who should say what. I meant it light hearted. I couldn’t care less about any typos anyone makes. It’s just a running joke around here for TC because he makes the most of any writers on the site. It sometimes seems he sends his articles out after typing them without even reading them once.
For anyone who doesn’t know, it hit a low point last season right before the playoffs. Marlins pitcher Jose Urena fractured his arm and was about to miss the playoffs. The Braves had won the division and were headed to the playoffs as well.
TC Zencka posted an article on this site about Urena’s injury and titled it “Acuna to miss playoffs due to arm fracture.” He left it that way all day even though all the comments were about how he couldn’t be right. He eventually changed it about 12 hours later but all day long MLBTR was reporting that the Braves star player would miss the playoffs when it wasn’t true. It was all because of TC Zencka’s lack of effort to proofread.
I couldn’t care less about his typos and I will still read his stuff even though Zencka is obviously the least talented and most careless writer in the MLBTR staff. That doesn’t change the fact that people can give him playfull jabs for his careless mistakes. He’s earned it.
I’m sure he’s a great guy. I meant it in jest. You can still be jestful while being truthful. I never care about anyone’s typos. I do hope someone called him out for that Acuna mistake though. It was really bad and it was a major mistake in the title. It confused a lot of people for hours because he never proofread or even read the comments for so long. Thousands of people thought Acuna was not going to be in the playoffs because MLBTR is a reputable site.
Calling TC out when he makes a mistake is like calling out a player who dropped a ball in his hands during an elimination game. We still love him but we won’t let him live it down. I would love to hang out with him though and I bet he’s a great person.
Camden453
Give me a break. The articles are well-written and informative. Plus link to the stats
i like al conin
Keep us updated on all the other errors you can find in this free content.
traveling man
I LOVE YOU!
I thought I was the only one!
BuJoBi
Oh man thanks for letting us know about the spelling mistake. Where would we be without you
Also he said “his bat plays best if he’s manning the keystone” just a heads up
The Mets "Missed WAR"
@JustaJays: He must’ve edited the article since I posted that. It was different before. I’m sure a bunch of others saw it too. It’s not a big deal. I’m not really complaining. It’s just funny because it seems TC does stuff like that way more than anyone else and other people have noticed.
gbs42
“Missed WAR” – You missed “Case and point” vs. “Case in point.” You’re slipping.
CalcetinesBlancos
“It’s not a big deal. I’m not really complaining.”
I’m not sure if you’re trying to convince us or yourself, but either way it doesn’t seem to be working.
jmchale40
The guy is racing twitter. Relax
Kayrall
How did I know that you would reply so that your comment would be seen as close to the top as possible? Oh, yeah. You do it every time.
redmatt
Hey dude..write an article, post it, and let us critique it for you. We’ll wait.
Deadguy
What about all of the numbers tc used? Did they also let you know it was one of tcs? English can suck one, as a whole it’s a horrible language. Mathematics however, will always be true values. There is no double talk in mathematics to try and convince you the truth is not the truth! It works on many foolish people, just look at insurance advertising those people make so much scamming people they have competition with each other on who can make the dumbest commercials and they are all laden with double talk
citizensbankparksouth
dude what is your deal that you are calling out writers by name with these obscure complaints
you can have a gripe with style without being a dick. and TC and MLBTR do a great job.
The Mets "Missed WAR"
OMG, people! I didn’t mean for this to degenerate into some kind of argument about a free site and writing and who should say what. I meant it light hearted. I couldn’t care less about any typos anyone makes. It’s just a running joke around here for TV because he makes the most of any writers on the site. It sometimes seems he sends his articles out after typing them without even reading them once.
For anyone who doesn’t know, it hit a low point last season right before the playoffs. Marlins pitcher Jose Urena fractured his arm and was about to miss the playoffs. The Braves had won the division and we’re headed to the playoffs as well.
TC Zencka posted an article on this site about Urena’s injury and titled it “Acuna to miss playoffs due to arm fracture.” He left it that way all day even though all the comments were about how he couldn’t be right. He eventually changed it about 12 hours later but all day long MLBTR was reporting that the Braves star player would miss the playoffs when it wasn’t true. It was all because of TC Zencka’s lack of effort to proofread.
I couldn’t care less about his typos and I will still read his stuff even though Zencka is obviously the least talented and most careless writer in the MLBTR staff. That doesn’t change the fact that people can give him playfully jabs for his careless mistakes. He’s earned it.
I’m sure he’s a great guy. I meant it in jest. You can still be jestful while being truthful. I never care about anyone’s typos. I do hope someone called him out for that Acuna mistake though. It was really bad and it was a major mistake in the title. It confused a lot of people for hours because he never proofread or even read the comments for so long. Thousands of people thought Acuna was not going to be in the playoffs because MLBTR is a reputable site.
Calling TC out when he makes a mistake is like calling out a player who dropped a ball in his hands during an elimination game. We still love him but we won’t let him live it down. I would love to hang out with him though and I bet he’s a great person.
FredMcGriff for the HOF
I’m a little confused by this. I thought this was the Padres open window with expensive Manny Machado and soon to be expensive Fernando Tatis Jr on the team. Now they subtract a guy who seems to be a useful piece (Adam Frazier) whom they just added at last years trade deadline for prospects. Now Frazier is dealt away yet again for prospects. Either they really like Ray Kerr or albatross contracts are already hurting the team as they usually end up doing. I do understand Frazier wasn’t exactly great in his short stint as a Padre but he’s been decent over his career and I would bet he had a productive season in 2022 (if there is a season…).
ChiSox_Fan
Padres need the money.
Perhaps for pitching.
Read the article.
coup
Agree. I’m hoping Abrams can be the next Padres 2Bman..
OldSaltUSNR
It’s also a matter of timing. Frazier’s stock was high late in last season when adding him could have helped teams in the playoffs. His lackluster finish and trading in the post season, diminishes his trade value now. Still, it’s a “win-win” trade, Mariners upgraded a bit at a low (i.e. non-prospect) cost, and SD gained some financial wiggle room, plus a couple of pieces for the farm for future possible growth and/or contingencies.
Preller has always stressed that while the Padres may be in “win now” mode, they’ll never be in “win now at any cost” mode. He’ll continue to build the farm, here and there, as they find opportunities. Do I like this trade vis-a-vis the haul the Pirates got for Frazier? Not at all. However, that’s an “apples versus oranges” comparison, i.e. not legitimate reasoning.
Preller has his work cut out for him. Not sure what he’ll do. The cost to move Hosmer is prohibitive, i.e. some near-certain high level prospects. Hosmer may be a nice guy, but his contract was a mistake from beginning to end, with his “character” being the only redeeming virtue. He’s essentially beyond worthless, because of the committed money due to him. The Padres could have hired a “morale coach” for less than 1% of what they are paying Hosmer, and his replacement value could have been filled by various scrubs over the years. Preller needs to find a way to unload him, without burning down the farm.
I think he’ll do it, too.
Deadguy
Somebody should get A.J. Preller some more coke? Where’s Esteban Loaiza when you need him? They still looking for coaching staff? I’m sure he’d fit in great!
PadreFan19
The one time I can laugh at Preller for making a useless trade.
Chemo850
Uhhh one time? That’s sarcasm, right?
Samuel
I wrote constantly 5-7 weeks ago that new majority owner of the Padres put a leash on Preller and is keeping him in his lane. Got blasted here by Padre fans. That’s fine.
Offseason has been all about Boras and Preller preening for years. Notice how little we now hear of Preller? Padres brought in a qualified manager and pitching coach (Tatis is being reigned in). The hitting coach is a bit of a stretch, but maybe he’ll work out. Now the excesses of the roster are being moved.
Great owner. Dodgers and Giants need to be careful. Rockies and DBack’s best hope it to be moved to another division.
padresfan111323
Interesting
notpablo
I’m guessing Kris Bryant was being difficult?
wayneroo
Kris Bryant doesn’t’ play second.
tstats
For now… *dave roberts and Andrew Freidman manically rub hands*
TommyLasutton
Kris Bryant isn’t playing second. And on the Dodgers, we wouldn’t need him to.
tstats
But Lux needs to play LF so pollock can ride the bench!
Milwaukee-2208
Everyone who the padres acquire will be playing second
CrikesAlready
…and have a pre-existing injury…
LordD99
Have they asked him?
Stevil
Frazier himself might not play second base right away. It’s possible that he was acquired to address LF until Julio’s ready, then move/rotate him.
The beauty of an acquisition like this is that it doesn’t infringe on Seattle’s ability to improvise. Semien, Story, Bryant, etc., are all still very real possibilities, and who is acquired next could dictate where Frazier plays on the field.
From San Diego’s perspective, removing his 7.5m projected salary from their books puts them under the threshold by a few million.
elmedius
It also leaves them with only Grisham and Myers in the outfield (with a Myers trade likely?) and little organizational depth in the grass.
Stevil
They could use Profar in left, but yeah, another outfielder should be on the shopping list. They need a replacement for Melancon as well.. Lot of work ahead for Preller.
stymeedone
To me, this clearly indicates that Seattle isn’t kicking out the big money for one of the SS FAs.
SportsFan0000
Profar is terrible! Another AJ Preller deal for a below average ex Rangers player who is not a starter and not a very good bench player either.
Brew’88
The Pads can easily do better than Frazier in the OF. Few teams would field a guy who averages 5 HRs and 5 SBs a year in the OF. They need more offense from that position. The Frazier for Marcano trade was a mistake that didnt fill any needs for Pads. They made the trade when it appeared Tatis might be out with injury and while they were still in contention. So Preller made a mistake, and at least is owing up to it by acquiring $ to address P and/or OF needs.
king beas
What an L for the Padres
mlb1225
It was a strange trade for the Padres to begin with. Cronenworth, Kim, Profar, and Abrams would be returning next season. The Padres aren’t short on middle infielders. Though I guess buy first think second has been the Padres’ philosophy for a while now.
ukpadre
Further proof that Preller doesn’t have a plan and just doesn’t whatever the Coke fairy tells him in the moment. Terrible trade.
Bozzmania1 2
Was a ridiculous trade. He was so non productive with the Pads I would have non-tendered him at 7 mill. Very good they got something for him.
solaris602
You could argue that Frazier was the best example of a Preller impulse acquisition, and there have been many of them. There was no need for Frazier, his presence made no difference, and now he has to be offloaded for 2 unrated prospects, but the pitcher can dunk a basketball, so there’s that.
SportsFan0000
Preller should not be the Padres GM. Preller should be in a baseball fantasy league.
bucsfan0004
The two guys the Padres are getting are better than the slob they gave to the Pirates to get Frazier
LarsAnderson
Right. The pirates got three prospects in return for Frazier, one being the 5th rank prospect in what was at the time a solid Padres farm system. You are smart.
mlb1225
Some fans just hate the fact their favorite player was traded. It doesn’t matter what the return was. Could have been Mackenzie Gore and Luis Campusano and I bet there would be dozens of Pirates “fans” saying it was a bad trade.
Robertowannabe
Bingo. Frazier needed traded when he was. He was having a career year and was already regressing a few weeks prior to the trade. There are better 2B candidates knocking on the door from the Pirates system so he was going to have to be traded sooner than later anyway. Based on the return that the Padres got for him, what the Pirates got seems fair and what the league values Adam Frazier. Many yinzer fans still complain about the Walker trade even though Walker spent a lot of time on the IL for several teams after the trade. They still whine about the McCutcheon trade but without it, no Reynolds. I think that they listen to the local talking heads and read the local sports writers too much. Most of those guys who purport to know all about baseball and the Pirates had no idea who were available in the draft for the last few years nor do they have any idea who the Pirates have in the minors right now,
Yankee Clipper
Career year? Quite possibly, but as I recall he’s always been a solid player overall, versatile and good on D, and never hurt the team offensively. I’ve always liked Adam Frazier as a super-utility guy.
Robertowannabe
Career year at the plate. 29 and easily the best offensive production of his career even with tailing off at the end of the season. Never said he was a bad player. He is a good player who can play at the major league level. His value is shown by the two trades. A decent player that no one is willing to overpay for.
jimmyz
I think he still has his career year yet to come. Frazier, so far in his career, has been a bit Jeckyll and Hyde-ish. It’s completely masked by looking at his end of year totals but pretty much every year he has a tale of two seasons where he either starts hot and tails off at the end like this year or more often starts slow and gets hot to finish. The bottom line results are pretty much always a slightly above average bat with a high average, low strikeout rate and a little bit of power but if he ever puts together a complete season he could win a batting title.
Sideline Redwine
He’s been below average offensively almost his entire career. Solid defense–but good second basemen are all over the place. Dude is overrated. I laugh at the criticism of the Pads for this move…he offers very little, really.
Gk_holiday
Frazier ranked in the 98th percentile in strikeout and whiff percentage last season and had a 3.5 fWAR, add that with his solid defense and versatility… that has value. A lot of teams have been interested in acquiring him for the last couple of seasons.
Yankee Clipper
Gozurman: I wasn’t implying you were wrong, or that you were saying he was a poor player. I just think he has more value than what the return was on him because of my listed reasons.
SportsFan0000
Padres gave up 3 promising prospects to acquire him at the deadline and then just dumped him for garbage prospects?! Preller is a bad joke.
kwolf68
No they didn’t. Neither of these guys are anything other than lottery tickets. The Pirates got a top 12 prospect in the Padres system and another guy coming off a AA year where he had 19 homers and 11 steals with an OK BA
JohhnyBets67
Marcano was a 40 FV by fangraphs. He can’t hit much and has a very slight build. Maybe he’s a useful utility piece one day….Maybe. Suwinski was a 35+……. the Padres didn’t give up any strong prospects to get him.
mlb1225
Marcano rarely strikes out and walks a ton. He has plus speed and an average glove at multiple positions. They compared him a lot to Adam Frazier and David Fletcher when the Pirates got him. I feel there’s something in Marcano many of us aren’t seeing that both the Pirates and Padres see/saw in him. For one, they weren’t willing to give him up for Joe Musgrove. It too Frazier plus cash to get him. Personally, I think his hit tool is better than Frazier’s because of his outstnading hand-eye coordination and ability to walk more often. I think Suwinski is one of the more overlooked pieces in that trade and in the Pirates’ system. He has that three-true-outcomes kind of approach, but he also has some sneaky athleticiscm and is a plus fielder with a strong arm.
fox471 Dave
Slob? Really? Calm down!
User 1471943197
Nice fan…typical yinzer …..who is the slob you are referring about? You have no idea what your peanut brain is thinking
padresfan111323
Didn’t we trade a top prospect to get this guy and now we trade him for a reliever and some outfielder I’ve never heard of?
bucsfan0004
Yea, “top” prospect. *eye roll*. Tucupita Marcano
mlb1225
Marcano is far from bad. He was highly praised for his outstanding hand-eye coordination and plate discipline. He has the potential to be Adam Frazier but with a higher OBP and faster.
kwolf68
Waiting for the argument Ryan Kerr is better? Where is he ranked in the Ms system?
Robertowannabe
He was their 12th rounder in the 2021 draft so not rated highly
mlb1225
Not according to FanGraphs. Neither was Rosier.
CNichols
Not trying to argue that he’s “better” but the M’s did just choose to add Kerr to their 40 man to protect him from the Rule 5 over some other “prospects” which in some ways is a declaration that their organization values him highly.
wayneroo
That could have been strategy. They may not have wanted to lose him for $50K and not had him to use as a piece.
Robertowannabe
Oops I thought Rosier when I read Kerr. A 27 year old Lefty reliever who split between AAA and AA is not a huge get for anyone.
Robertowannabe
Or just values him more than the other guys needing protected. He is a guy that could be a guy to be used in case of injury so they protect him for the moment because he is a lefty arm for an emergency. Does not mean he is really that good.
rhymeoftheancientmariner
I don’t think either prospect was in the Mariners top 25. They still have several more talented arms that are almost major league ready.
Dogham
Not in the top 30. Padres gave up their #5 and two there to get Frazier and basically traded him for 2 bags of unsalted chips.
CNichols
Baseball America writer Kyle Glasser tweeted that Kerr was going to rank somewhere in the 21-30 range in the Mariners system for this upcoming year and that they had Rosier right outside the top 30, but as a sleeper to watch because the initial reports on him in his pro debut last year looked good.
They’re not top 100 overall type prospects by any means but they both do have some value as prospect depth.
BeforeMcCourt
… or they planned to trade him
and didn’t want to lose him for nothing
Dadbodfromseattle
Ok.
Who??
sportsfan_1091
Not surprising they traded Frazier. $7.2M seemed like a steep price to pay for someone who struggled in the second half. With the Padres seemingly trying to slash payroll it makes sense they shopped him before Tuesday’s non tender deadline. They get two pretty decent prospects in the deal. I still think Seattle is in the running for someone like Story or Semien
solaris602
The question comes down to this: would you trade the prospects it took to get Frazier for what they got for Frazier? If so please make the case.
ajrodz1335
Hot stove is sizzling
padresfan111323
Rosier was literally a 12th round pick this year
For Love of the Game
Lottery ticket.
excusemeflo
Are you sure he wasn’t figuratively a 12th round pick?
8ManLineupNoPitcherNoDH
Padres bby what is you doin’?!
❤️ MuteButton
The Mariners are collecting a bunch of so–so players. As boring as it seems, the Rays seem to make it work
PutPeteRoseInTheHall
Frazier just hit .305 for the Pirates and Padres. I wouldn’t say he’s a so-so player. I also wouldn’t say that he’s a great player, but he was a consistent hitter this year to up his status a little, in my opinion
seamaholic 2
No power, weak OBP, OK defense. Not a lot there if we’re honest. Had a flaming hot stretch to start 2021 and turned that into an all star appearance and a trade to sunny San Diego. But there’s no upside and I’m not sure he starts in Seattle.
Sideline Redwine
Yep. Hot half year w Pirates, otherwise mostly below average offense in his career.
Gk_holiday
He is an excellent near-everyday type of super utility player with very good contact skills, rarely strikes out, plays good defense, and is versatile. He does little things to help a club win… that my friends is a solid ball player.
MartialArtisan
Kinda like Dee Gordon when the Mariners acquired him and we’ve seen how that worked out.
Dogham
Is there a down button
solaris602
It comes down to the fact that SD didn’t need him, and instead of doubling down on that move and keeping him for $7.2M for another year, Preller sucked it up and got what he could for Frazier. He’s worth more than they got, but everybody knew he had a surplus to deal from which always diminishes return.
Tacoshells
Whoa. Surprising. Seems like a good prospect haul.
tstats
True especially considering the padres are gonna need pitching
holecamels35
And the yinzers were in tears after trading Frazier, only to see the already crowned World Series champion Padres trade him for pennies on the dollar. I still like that the Padres try though, but this was never a fit from the start.
bucsfan0004
The Pirates traded him for pennies on the dollar also. It just might be that a guy with a 87mph avg exit velocity maybe isnt that valuable in today’s game
mlb1225
I think it’s the fact that everyone saw through that Frazier wasn’t the player he was in April to May. He had a .723 OPS in July, the month leading up to the trade and a .359 BABIP. July to the end of the year, he had a .680 OPS with a .314 BABIP. Sure, he has some value as a solid contact hitting/defense first 2B, but he was really good for about two-and-a-half months and reverted closer to the hitter he was in the 3-4 seasons prior. Also, what were you expecting from Frazier? Up until the first half of 2021, he was about a 2 WAR player who usually sat around 95-100 wRC+ with plus defense at second base. That’s not to say that Frazier had no value, but there was no way the Pirates were going to get back a Mackenzie Gore. Remember, the Pirates had asked about Marcano back when they traded Joe Musgrove, and it only took Frazier plus cash to get him. If the Padres were so high on him, Marcano has something that all of us aren’t seeing.
User 1471943197
Bucs fan. Typical trolling idiot
vanswanson
Weird trade
Larry Bernandez 1324IM
4.0 WAR. .300 batting average and struck out under 80 times in 150+ games last year. Great get for Seattle.
solaris602
Thank you for shooting down the “he isn’t that great anyway” apologists who gave Preller a standing o when he acquired Frazier. Frazier at $7.2M on a one year deal? You don’t find that kinda quality at that price in the open market. Just sayin’
Crimson37
So what now for Mariners maybe Bryant
MarinersBaseball
Doesn’t seem like the cost was much. The lefty can touch 100 so the Padres probably see something there.
This doesn’t change a thing for the Mariners they still need 2 more bats or this offensive will be bottom 10 again.
There is a solid chance he will be a below league average bat again after a strong year.
PitcherMeRolling
Weird
VonPurpleHayes
Frazier’s a solid addition. Still need some pitching though.
mlb1225
Frazier had such a hot start to the season then hit a wall in about June. He’s not an awful hitter, just not the .300 guy he was this year.
JayKay
He doesn’t hit the ball as hard as his peers, but he doesn’t need to so long as he puts it in play more often then them.
I looked it up and 2021 saw a career low 85.4 exit velocity and a career best 10.8 K% for Frazier. Coincidence? Maybe, maybe not.
mlb1225
He also had an identical xwOBA to his actual wOBA from 2016-2020. I don’t think he’ll be an awful batter and he might see some improvement from that 2016-2020 mark, maybe something clsoer to a 100-105 wRC+ hitter/2.5 WAR player. From ’16-’20, he was closer to a 95-100 wRC+ guy/2 WAR guy.
JayKay
Yeah that’s somewhat close to my own estimates/prediction. I suppose the bigger question is how good/bad his defense will be.
mlb1225
He had +7 DRS and was in the top 74th percentile of outs above average this year at second base. He’s been a good defender up the middle for a while now, so even if his bat is around league average, he’s still a solid overall player.
24TheKid
Story or Bryant is next for Seattle, not exactly how I would have done it but they are making improvements. Can’t complain about them doing nothing now.
sgord03
Buy high, sell low. Recipe for success.
DarkSide830
wow good move. Phillies should have done this.
VonPurpleHayes
Definitely
bucketbrew35
Agreed. This could have freed up Segura and his salary to be swapped for Kimbrel’s. That would have filled a gaping hole at closer and allowed them to take on a little less overall salary. They could have also maintained strong defense at the keystone and still had a hitter with a contact oriented approach on offense.
DarkSide830
forget that. just keep both and make Frazier the 3B and put Bohm in LF.
g4
Nice work by M’s to make out on Prellar’s overextended payroll. This deal has as much to do with the underwhelming Profar and Kim signings as it does Frazier or the prospects.
Datashark
Looks like Mariners having Padres as their trade partner is working well for them
Although Padres got two good prospects…that Frazier trade turned out to be loser for their team though trading him was the best option. – Corey rosier if he makes it to MLB he might be one that Mariners will regret.
MLB Top 100 Commenter
Good but not great pickup by Mariners that does not break bank. Padres able to extricate themselves from weird initial pickup given the rest of their roster without having lost too much. Mild win-win.
Faith in the Padres
Frazier was picked up as insurance cause of Tatis Jr shoulder. Allowed them to move Cronenworth to ss.
Personally, I’d keep Tatis in the OF to replace Pham. Use Profar as a platoon partner against righties with Myers in the OF. Last year he hit .245/.352/.345 against righties batting left handed. So the OBP is there. You’re hoping for a bit more power next year.
Stick cronenworth at ss, use kim and a platoon lefty at 2b.
thickiedon
Why not move Tatis to 2b and sign Semien?
Faith in the Padres
Clevinger and Musgrove are free agents after 2023
Darvish Snell Pagan Lamet Pomeranz are free agents after 2024.
Padres will be overhauling their starters and pen the next 3 off seasons.
Myers comes off the books after 2022
Hosmer converts to a 3 year 39 mill contract after 2022
Tatis Jr, Grisham, Profar/ RH platoon for 2 years / Woods/Hassel III long term. Padres have a platoon partner for Profar in house, Jorge Ona
Machado, Cronenworth, Kim/LH platoon short term / Abrams possibly long term, Hosmer.
Padres have in house options for 2B long term- Abrams, Eguy Rosario had a nice season at AA.
rhymeoftheancientmariner
Semien won a gold glove at 2b last season and Tatis is their homegrown SS.
YourDreamGM
You are a year off on your free agency. Clevinger Musgrove after this season 22. Snell lamet Darvish after 23.
bobtillman
Pads were likely to non-tender Frazier anyway, so ANYTHING they got for him was a plus. M’s get a decent player in his contract year. A pretty good get.
CNichols
There’s no way they were going to non-tender a guy who was worth 4 WAR last year who’s projected for like $7.2M in arbitration. That’s just not even within the realm of possibilities.
Travis’ Wood
There is a very good chance he would’ve been non tendered. Don’t act like it wouldn’t been some huge shock. He’s barely worth the $7 mil he’s making this year so it was definitely in the realm of possibility for a team trying to clear payroll. You’re just wrong. Not to mention teams don’t make decision based on past results, especially from a career season. 4 WAR from 2020 is meaningless for his future value. His projections are not good. 1.2 projected WAR per Fangraphs. Bleh
CNichols
I’m sorry but this comment makes no sense. So Frazier isn’t worth a 1Y/$7.2M contract? He wouldn’t do better than that on the open market?
Why would Dipoto trade multiple players for someone who has a contract that is underwater and worthy of a non-tender? Do you think Dipoto is going to tender him a contract next week since he supposedly isn’t worth the projected $7.2M or will he non-tender him?
Think it through man, come on.
bucketbrew35
Unless you’re the Reds.
Bozzmania1 2
War s’more! The guy hit. 1 stinkin homer and maybe 2 doubles while a Padre he was a no brainer non tender at 7 mill
DarkSide830
he hit 36 2B on the year while batting .305 with some 3B and SB and defensive versatility. he did basically everything but hit HRs.
Thesecondjamie
i expect at least 4 more trades today from dipoto
Yankee Clipper
Cashman!!!!!!!!! Wake up!
FredMcGriff for the HOF
@clipper. I agree. Uncle Steve across the street just had a trifecta yesterday. Where’s Ninja Cash except offering Verlander a 1 year contract? George Steinbrenner would’ve fired they guy by now.
Faith in the Padres
Cool. Padres get an interesting lefty reliever and an interesting OF bat down the line few years away.
Chev Chelios
I dunno why y’all aren’t liking the Seattle IF of Frazier, Toro and Crawford…that’s a sneaky good (and salty) group there. Cheers to Dipoto
wayneroo
Passan says in a tweet he expects Frazier to be super utility guy, and that the M’s aren’t out on a big infielder.
Stevil
He didn’t say they were out on a big infielder. He said he expects Frazier to be in a utility role especially if they sign a big infielder.
Jerry addressed the press and confirmed they’re still shopping for big names.
Alkie
Career OPS+
Frazier 103
Crawford 94
Toro 81
It’s a sneaky average group at absolute best and most likely a sneaky 3rd place group in the AL West.
tstats
Toro will be better now that he gets playing time. 60 games in Seattle, 96 OPS+ which yeah isn’t great but better that 81 on iffy playing time
Larry Bernandez 1324IM
3rd?!
Travis’ Wood
That’s a terrible infield lol
Gk_holiday
Ty France too
whosehighpitch
This trade could signal the beginning of a Padres tear down rebuild. Within one year time they may end up selling off most of their best assets.
beersy
How on earth does trading Frazier signal a Padre rebuild? He didn’t really have a spot on the team when they acquired him, injury insurance, and got something for him to save his projected $7..2M salary to use on someone else. I see this as a small move before a big move, that’s how Preller and Co. seem to roll.
nutznboltz
Beersy, I Thank you are 100% correct.
Travis’ Wood
Lol what???? Trading a non tender candidate for a 27 year old lefty reliever signifies a tear down? Frazier is “one of their best assets”?You’re drunk!
Candlestoked
We all are drunk.
YourDreamGM
Hard to tear down rebuild when you have 2 300 million players and hosmer darvish.
bigdaddyhacks
Dipoto a stud. Wanted him last year, got him for less this off-season. Perfect.
knowitalllad
Frazier was never the future in Pittsburgh. Lotta …meh in his game. His D was supposed to be great but it seemed the shifts covered a lot of that. Padres dreaming he was suddenly Rod Carew and giving the Bucs even a so-so prospect was a nice salary dump by Cherington.
bobtillman
Going to be a busy few days, anticipating the shutdown. Expect 4-5 more trades like this, along with some FA signings. Kind of like the Winter Meetings, without the booze, ladies and portable Pelotons.
Yankee Clipper
I really hope you’re right. I enjoy the shortened, more exciting, flurry of offseason moves instead of waiting for months to see if any rumors come to fruition. It certainly will drawa lot more attention to baseball during a period of time when there is typically very little.
DarkSide830
call me crazy, but as long as the shutdown doesnt impact the start of the season then this offseason will be so exciting that it might *help* the game.
JoeBrady
I think all this activity will help. Prices for mediocre payers are going thru the roof. This is exactly what the players are looking for.
bbatardo
Padres needed to free up some salary. Cronenworth covers 2nd and as much as they’d like to trade Hosmer, probably can’t.
Faith in the Padres
Myers goes before Hosmer would be my guess with Myers in a contract year. If anyone was moveable it’d be Myers.
Y2KAK
Expect a LOT of trades and FA signings within the next few days. It is going to be the whole offseason in a span of a few days
Milwaukee-2208
Padres continue to be the laughing stock of the NL west
A'sfaninUK
The Rockies are in that division – L for you.
True2theBluePNW
Honestly its a solid upgrade that we didnt give up much on and should be an instant improvement. Now move Toro to 3rd or platoon him with frazier and pick up Bryant/Story for 3rd. Savvy move imo.
Dadbodfromseattle
I mean looking at his stats. He’s cool. But is seiya coming here or what cuz this off-season is a dud u less we get seiya.
Larry Bernandez 1324IM
Casual
Fred Park
The proof is in the playing. What he does in 2022 and beyond is all that counts.
Such factors as clubhouse fit, liking or disliking Seattle, relationship with coaches, and some factors I haven’t identified, these things always make all the difference after a player acquisition.
This guy can play just great when conditions are favorable. That we already know
I am eager to watch it all play out with this guy Frazier. I like him.
Mario93
Swear, Mariners are doing the best job building a team. Very solid player to add to the mix. An All star last year, still being paid very reasonable money. A winning move for sure. Great on the Mariners.
Angels & NL West
Mariners are going to be tough the next few years. Dipoto’s done a nice job and I believe Frazier will prove to be a good pick up. I suspect Dipoto will acquire a pitcher or two, as well.
And the Padres take a flyer on a couple of high upside lottery tickets. Solid trade for both teams.
udaman
Nice deal for the Mariners. I like what Dipoto is building in Seattle. Frazier may not be an MVP type, but he is a real good player as his 4.0 WAR last year shows.
Travis’ Wood
He projects for 1.2 WAR next year. He will never approach 4 WAR again
mlb1225
He averages about 2-2.5 fWAR in 600 plate appearances throughout his career. He hasn’t put up a sub-1.5 fWAR since 2017. Doubt in a full season he reaches 1.2 unless he falls off a cliff, both offensively and defensively.
Larry Bernandez 1324IM
Kerr better be in the mix for the Padres soon. Already 27.
CNichols
I think he’s part of a second layer of payroll savings from this deal. They can use him to replace Strahm in the bullpen right away and then clear like ~$2.1M by non-tendering Strahm.
Larry Bernandez 1324IM
Kerr’s velo is legitimate. 100 from the left side. Andres Munoz would have been nice to pair him with.
KcsMsFan
I like this as long as they are still targeting Semien/Bryant. I don’t think Toro is the solution as an everyday starter. Platoon him in the infield with somebody else… but we still need a solid bat.
24TheKid
Story is their number 1 target now, Bryant is 2nd. Semien is asking them for too long of a deal, he was the priority.
Yankee Clipper
Hey, hands off Story, sir!
Rsox
I don’t think Story is really a target for them though. Jerry was fairly adamant about keeping Crawford at SS, Semien could play 2B and Frazier could play LF. Bryant could play any one of 3B, 1B, LF, so for me he would be the better pickup since Toro and France (and Dylan Moore) can all play 2B along with Frazier
SeafaninTN
He is for sure a top target. Lot of things will depend on Correa and Seager I’d imagine
painterman360
Do you really want a light hitting Frazier in the outfield? Not me. Frazier is a 2b hitting player
RyanDubYa
This might ruin my Joey Wendell trade dreams. But not mad at it. Just want to see how this all works together and what’s next in the plan
baseballguy_128
OH
Eric D
As a Mariner fan I like this trade a lot, and I think the M’s won the trade. Corey Rosier is a good prospect and Ray Kerr is an OK throw in. But Adam Frazier fills a need at 2B, and has the positional flexibility that the team was said to be seeking. I’m all for it.
Crunchtime1969
We’ll find out something about the Padres new pitching coach with this new addition. Lefty with heat in the upper 90’s. Teachable? Hope so. Another Josh Hader? Hope so. Ya never know.
Larry Bernandez 1324IM
Until you realize that Hader is only 5 months older than Kerr.
Faith in the Padres
And? If Padres can turn him into a dominant force out the pen they have 6+ years of control over him. Being 27 has no bearing on anything in this situation.
ponytail01
Rick Hahn needs to stop celebrating the holiday and get to work.
ASapsFables
Rick Hahn and Kenny Williams are at the mercy of owner Jerry Reinsdorf when it comes to putting the final touches on the White Sox next championship team. JR’s already allowed his front office to pick up reliever Craig Kimbrel’s $16M team option and sign Kendall Graveman to a 3-year, $24M FA contract on top of last winter’s signing of premier closer Liam Hendricks. Kimbrel will likely be dealt, hopefully to help fortify an outfield that can use an experienced lefty bat and glove to help out in RF, perhaps Kevin Kiermaier from the Rays who could use an experienced closer.
I’m also convinced that Reinsdorf will authorize the money needed for his front office to fill it’s most glaring hole at 2B with the pursuit of former White Sox infielder Marcus Semien or ex-Cub Javier Baez. I also believe JR might sign off on the acquisition of a free agent SP like Robbie Ray in order to give his team the deepest rotation in the AL and perhaps all of MLB.
stymeedone
Tampa Bay may trade away a player who is making teens of millions but they won’t be taking one back.
ASapsFables
The Rays have picked up fairly expensive short term salaries in the past in order to help them compete in a tough AL East. They tend to trade for these players at the summer deadline with DH Nelson Cruz being the latest example last July. The potential also exists for the White Sox to kick in some extra cash in order to facilitate a trade this offseason.
DP@14
Let’s go Mariners
DrDan75
IMO, this is a pure salary dump. The Padres didn’t really need Frazier in the first place, except maybe as a fourth outfielder and an extra bat at the trade deadline. The reliever Kerr, even if he makes some noise at the big league level, will likely ultimately go down with an injury. The other guy is a dime a dozen prospect. He’s 22 and still playing low A ball. Probably not someone to get real excited over.
Robertowannabe
The only reason Rosier was in low A ball still was the fact that he was just drafted last year. Was a college player. As several said above, he is a lottery pick. Way to soon to say he is good or bad.
AlienBob
I doubt either player the Padres got will ever play in MLB. Frazier fills a huge need for the M’s. They no longer ‘need’ Semien. Dipoto can go in a variety of ways to add bats to the offense. He still has his farm system intact and a ton of payroll flexibility. All of this while filling a pressing need at 2B for next to nothing. Toro should be happy moving to 3B.
CNichols
I would bet that Kerr debuts this year. He’s a LHP on the 40 man who had a 3.18 ERA in the high minors last year. At some point they’re going to need to call him up.
Brew’88
He might, maybe, if they’re lucky, and only because they REaAlLy need another L RP to add to Tim Hill. Not sure this fills the need.
The Saber-toothed Superfife
If the Padres want to dump salary they should be talking to the Detroit Tigers.
Candelario and Fulmer would be good for the Padres.
Candelario could help protect the long term investments in first and third bases.
Fulmer is a great pitcher
Rsox
If you’re thinking Hosmer, the Tigers are on his 10 team no trade list. Granted he could change his mind after seeing them already pick up ERod and Barnhart
stymeedone
Candelario is going no where. Even if the Tigers were looking to move him, what would SD offer for him? Detroit needs a starting Pitcher and a SS. They are not looking for utility players so don’t even bother saying Kim. Candelario was Tiger of the year, for the 2nd straight year (best player) so don’t low ball.
The Saber-toothed Superfife
So the Tigers take Meyers Kim, Abrams and Hassell; give Candelario, Fulmer, D Cabrera,T Cruz……
And Candelario is not.going anywhere?
Al does nothing because of fans like you – he doesn’t have to, just.poormthe Kool Aid and blow smoke…..
The Tigers are no where close to being a World Series Championship team.
The Saber-toothed Superfife
Please think about what I am saying.
The Tigers are not trading to get the utility.Kim. They are trading to get the prospect for taking on Kim and Meyer’s salaries (~$50M)
Geez…..
The Saber-toothed Superfife
No. Meyers and Kim provide $30M salary relief this year and ~$50M in total. If SD wants helpful pieces back aside from salary relief; that is worth 2 top prospects.. ($50M for one, the traded players for the other)
A'sfaninUK
Candelario is better than Hosmer though. He is an everyday player.
Rsox
Makes sense for both sides. Seattle gets a 2B which allows Toro to slide over to 3B and France to play 1B (or DH depending on what else the Mariners do or how they view Evan White). The Padres get a roster spot opened up as with Cronenworth, Profar, and Kim they already have 2B (and possibly LF) covered.
Dustyslambchops23
I really like this deal for the Mariners, really nice pick up for them.
Dogham
Jerry Dipoto has 2 jobs: Mariners GM and fleecing A.J. Preller and the Padres every chance he gets.
A'sfaninUK
Jerry Dipoto has never fleeced anyone he just makes 10000 trades a year and some pan out but most dont. He still has zero rings. Please dont ever stan a GM with zero rings. Take it from an A’s fan, it makes you look really pathetic.
mlb1225
It also makes you look really pathetic to take personal shots at someone for a mundane comment that wasn’t directed at anyone and just sharing a harmless opinion.
Todd Kemmerer
Is this a salary dump. Just months ago they understood the arbitration projections. Crazy to think he was batting 331 when traded and finished at 305
Rsox
Getting the Mets to take on all of Cano’s salary and scoring Jarred Kelenic in the deal was kind of a fleecing.
Chester Copperpot
To be fair, the Mets didn’t take on all of Cano’s salary.
Larry Bernandez 1324IM
Ty France, Luis Torrens, (Andres Munoz who got called up and was throwing 100+ at the end of the year) and Taylor Trammell for a part-time backstop comes to mind.
Gk_holiday
You don’t have to have championship rings to fleece someone in a trade, I think. Do you?
letsplaytwo
Do you trash Billy Beane too? He doesn’t have a ring but is a great GM. He’s not far from HOF consideration. Dipoto has done a remarkable job with the Mariners.
A'sfaninUK
Frazier in the AL West screams .550 OPS
Deleted_User
And here I was thinking that guy Pads Fans/Koamalu/Websoulsurfer thought the Padres would be able to get Sean Manaea for Frazier and that Frazier had more trade value than he did when Preller traded for him. Just one of the many times that guy has been wrong.
That notwithstanding, trading for Frazier now officially made absolutely no sense. Buy high and sell low. And for what?
mlb1225
Told you dude, Padres make trades regardless of if they make sense or not. They make impulse moves, clearly not fully thinking it through. They get the flashy names at the time, regardless of if it fits the current roster construction or if said player makes sense for the team.
Deleted_User
Well pardon me for expecting someone who is paid to do this to be smarter than me.
mlb1225
Fair enough. Still, based on past moves, we know that Preller isn’t the most thoughtful GM when it comes to big moves.
piratesfan26
He’s a very streaky hitter, always has been. It’s either base hits all over the place or a million ground balls to second. Maybe Seattle will be a good place for him.
SufferingB*st*rd
I’m surprised the Pads couldn’t get more for Frazier but I’m happy for the Mariners. Super pleased if Passan is right and Frazier is a super-utility guy. Bring on Semien and Story!
Hey, if the Padres want to move Snell, too, the M’s have a half a box of donuts left (three jelly ones).
Deleted_User
Why would they get more for Frazier? He cost them Marcano, who was probably overrated, and a pair of non-prospects when he had just played in the ASG and had 1 and a third years of control (and 2 potential playoff pushes) of control left. If teams weren’t willing to top that at the deadline, why would they do it now that the Padres burned one of those playoff pushes and he slumped down the stretch?
PadreFan19
Stupid trade. Can’t wait for Abrams to bring up the hype next year. Kids going to be a stud.
AlienBob
All of those ground ball singles Adam Frazier hits might find even more holes if the CBA eliminates the shift. Perhaps Jerry Dipoto has some insight to what is coming.
Gk_holiday
If that’s the case Kyle Seager will hit .350 next for whomever signs him 🙂
bradthebluefish
What a steal for the Mariners! And definitely fits a need.
Brew’88
Steal? Frazier might nab 5 SB a year.
ASapsFables
The Adam Frazier trade to the Mariners and the Eduardo Escobar signing by the Mets is a good omen for White Sox fans like myself who truly believe that 85-year old and generally frugal owner Jerry Reinsdorf will authorize the free agent acquisition of a top tier second baseman like Marcus Semien or Javier Baez to pair with All-Star shortstop Tim Anderson. I also believe JR will allow his front office to pursue a notable free agent SP, preferably southpaw CYA winner Robbie Ray.
The current White Sox team will most certainly be JR’s last chance for another baseball championship before he rides off into the sunset. Here’s hoping he goes out with his guns blazing.
TommyLasutton
Honestly that’s a good assessment. Grew up a Bulls fan, so if it’s not the Dodgers, I could get behind Jerry winning 1 before that sunset ride (thought 85yo for billionaires is a regular person’s 65)
msqboxer
Baez isn’t a TLR type player, so I don’t see that happening. If this is all about Reinsdorf and TLR before they die…they should go all in on Scherzer for 3 years.
ASapsFables
I’d prefer Marcus Semien over Javier Baez, mainly because of his more patient approach at the plate. That said, either would be a huge upgrade at 2B and make for a dynamic double play combo with SS Tim Anderson.
Speaking of Anderson, there were many fans and pundits who were concerned that his personality would also clash with new manager Tony La Russa. That did not happen and should not with Baez. You might recall that La Russa has had his share of outspoken players in his HOF managerial career including 1989 ALCS MVP Rickey Henderson who also starred in the next round that culminated in TLR’s first of 3 World Series titles. Winning a championship is paramount and if Baez could help accomplish that along with TA7 that is all that matters.
Brew’88
The Frazier trade last year was a big mistake for the Pads as he didn’t fill a need at all. He’s a light hitter who doesn’t steal bases or walk much either. This is Preller admitting the mistake and moving on. Hopefully the $ will go towards bringing in another SP.
Deleted_User
Trade made no sense to begin with and now it makes even less sense. Frazier was not a guy you trade for to flip later on.
Brew’88
It only makes sense now to free up $.
Deleted_User
If you want to trade Frazier to free up $ why trade for him at all?
Brew’88
Yep, it was a bad trade to begin with. Preller seems to be fessing up to that, and now getting $ in return so he can hopefully fill an actual need. Getting Frazier made no sense, keeping him also makes no sense
SeattleSports2355
Asking my fellow Seattle fans but I assume this doesn’t necessarily rule out Semien or Bryant yet either right?
houkenflouken
Nope. Frazier will replace the Moores and the Bauers of the team. More of a utility who can start if needed, but I would say this makes Kris Bryant a more perfect fit.
Still in on semien and Story tho for sure
bigdaddyhacks
The rumors I’ve seen have siemen wanting 6 years. So I would say that this move is a pivot for sure, and that Bryant is still on the table and so is more SP.
nentwigs
Only part of the trade was disclosed.
Padres also receive
JOE KERR
CHUCK KERR
Slothcliff Hokum
Joker and Chucker are indeed good players!
CrikesAlready
I don’t trust Preller.
jorge78
The Mariners are back baby!
FOmeOLS
Preller is an idiot and dishonest to boot.
FOmeOLS
Also bear in mind that the Mariners traded at least one prospect who is at risk of being taken in the rule five draft for nothing. Now SD has to worry about him.
CNichols
That’s not accurate at all.
Rosier was drafted last year so he will not be rule 5 eligible for years. Kerr was already on the Mariners 40 man roster so he wasn’t eligible to be taken in the rule 5 either.
muskie73
The point was that the Padres must now keep Ray Kerr on their 40-man roster to protect the lefthander from the Rule 5 draft.
Kerr can fill the 40-man roster vacancy left by the trade of Adam Frazier.
FOmeOLS
Thank you, I stand corrected.
See, folks, admitting you’re wrong don’t kill you.
CNichols
@Muskie yeah viewing it as Kerr requires a 40 man spot is more accurate. Thanks for the clarification.
Only thing I’d add is it’s not really about Rule 5 anymore now that he’s already on the 40 man. The hypothetical problem for SD is that to clear him off the 40 man roster they would have to expose him to outright waivers. For an acquiring team claiming him off waivers would be better then drafting him in Rule 5 since he has options remaining so they could send him to the minors, so if they tried to do this some team would grab him.
The result the same though either way – he’s going to take up a 40 man spot in the short term otherwise someone would take him away.
marinerfan
So what does “his bat plays best if he’s manning the keystone” mean? I think keystone refers to home plate, but I really have no idea lol.
MartialArtisan
“Keystone” refers to Second Base. At the top of the diamond. Like a decorative keystone above a window or an entrance.
JoeBrady
Like I’ve said before, Preller is treating the Padres like a fantasy team. He signed Profar to back up Cronenworth, to some degree. Then signed Kim to back up Profar. Then traded for Frazier to back up Kim, who backs up Profar, who backs up Cronenworth.
And, of course, Cronenworth didn’t need a backup at all. He only missed four games thru Sept 10th.
HALfromVA
A very long, informative article , followed by a butt-ton of commentary. Very enjoyable.
citizensbankparksouth
I love you MLBTR but your equivocating does go too far.
“While a solid contributor, it would be difficult to rank him as a true ‘difference-maker.'” I don’t think that’s true. here’s a list of difference-makers who Frazier had a superior bWAR to in 2021:
Ozzie Albies
Matt Chapman
Tommy Edman
Rafael Devers
Whit Merrifield
Kris Bryant
Kolten Wong
jorge78
Why is Frazier wearing that heavy gold weight around his neck?
Camden453
A non-drafted free agent and a 12th rd pick for Adam Frazier. Wow. Padres continue to destroy themselves with trades
nentwigs
According to informed sources, The Marlins were in on Adam Frazier right up until he was dealt to join the Mariners.. The Marlins made a “strong” offer, but not one that matched the Mariners’ player commitment. The Marlins weren’t the only team to be outbid.
AlienBob
According to MLB stats Adam Frazier has the No. 2 fielding % (.991) and the No. 1 batting average (.310) of all second basemen. He beats Marcus Semien and all of the other top five free agent shortstops in these categories. They may hit for more power but Frazier deserves a lot more credit than he is getting. This was a steal.
Brew’88
Look at his career numbers not just the first half of last year. 280 hitter who gives you less than 10 HRs and SBs per 600 ABs. Weak
Stevil
Yes, let’s look at some career numbers, Brewer88….
Marcus Semien: .256/.324/.444
Adam Frazier: .281/.344/.412
Petco arguably sapped the little power Frazier offers, but T-Mobile is more comparable to PNC in right field. Frazier should be fine and I’m not the first person to point that out..
That’s not a jab at Semien, either. What he’s done more recently, specifically in 2019 and 2021, is more important than his career numbers and nobody’s denying his value. He’s the better player.
What AlienBob stated isn’t wrong, either. Frazier has been valuable and probably is underrated.
Brew’88
Not saying Frazier has no value, he’s a good fielder at multiple positions and on a team with a potent lineup his high contact bat has value. But the Pads have better bat options at 2b (Cron and potentially Abrams) and Frazier as a corner OF is not an upgrade for them, nor most any team for that matter. His .069 OPS with Pads was undeniably abysmal. The comparison in today’s market to Semien is a bit silly. Semiens hitting numbers have been on a different career trajectory as will be demonstrated by the FA bidding for his services.
Stevil
You’re moving the goalposts.
First you suggested looking at career stats, now you’re suggesting looking at a small sample at Petco (which was .694, by the way) which is exactly what you said not to do in your first response!
But the point had nothing to do with his performance in San Diego. He didn’t fit there, nobody’s arguing otherwise. It’s about what he can offer Seattle and his career numbers in a comparable stadium are more telling.
And again, nobody’s suggesting Semien isn’t the better player. Frazier simply seems to be undervalued/underappreciated–especially for the cost to acquire.
Brew’88
Not at all, if you read with context. My comment was counter to Alienbob’s using stats just from first half of last year to suggest Frazier is all-star caliber, when he’s not trending in the direction at all (as evidenced by his lack of a career trend and return to those numbers in the later half of the 2021 season). He’s been quite consistently average, with zero power and speed. Semien on the other hand is trending in last few years so a comparison between he and Frazier is just stupid. But it’s in the eye of the beholder I guess…
Stevil
I read what you literally stated, word for word, and responded accordingly. You’re still moving the goalposts, still missing the point.
Have a nice Sunday.
mlb1225
He’s good but he’s not great by any means. This was a steal by the Mariners, but in no way are they getting anything close to Marcus Semien production. He’s a league average hitter who delivers plus defense at second base. I think he’ll be a slightly better hitter this year than in year’s prior, but nothing to the degree like he was this year. Still, I’m sure that any team will take a 100-105 wRC+ hitter with good defense at the keystone.
SportsFan0000
AJ Preller gave away 3 promising young players and prospects for Frazier at this past years trade deadline and now dump him for garbage prospects?!
Preller is a bad joke
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Buccrazy
Padres have bought high and sold low on Frazier in a span of 4 months.
Spare Tire Dixon
Sign Trevor Story.
C Nola
1B Hosmer
2B Cronenworth
SS Story
3B Machado
LF Tatis
CF Grisham
RF Myers
Profar, Kim, etc.