The Mariners are known to be in the market for infield upgrades, with both Kris Bryant and Marcus Semien among their early targets. Ryan Divish of the Seattle Times adds a few names to the pile, reporting that they’re also intrigued by the possibility of signing Trevor Story to play second base on a regular basis. Divish also indicates that the Mariners have high levels of interest in A’s third baseman Matt Chapman and several of Oakland’s available pitchers, including Sean Manaea, Frankie Montas and Chris Bassitt.
Beyond that group, president of baseball operations Jerry Dipoto told Dick Fain of SportsRadio 950 KJR this week that the Mariners would be interested in star outfielder Seiya Suzuki if and when he’s posted by the Hiroshima Carp of Nippon Professional Baseball (Twitter link). The Carp do plan to post Suzuki, but that process has not yet officially begun.
Dipoto has already made clear in the young offseason that his team will be more aggressive in free agency than in years past and given at least some indications as to the types of players he’ll target. He spoke earlier this month of a desire to sign “adaptable” free agents, naming both Semien and Javier Baez as players who’ve shown a willingness to move around the diamond. He’s also made it clear to J.P. Crawford that he’ll play shortstop in Seattle both next year and in the long term, which could well take the Mariners out of the running for any of the market’s top free agents who are set on remaining at that position.
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While Story has been entrenched at shortstop in Colorado, he could certainly help his market if he shows a willingness to play another position. He’s typically been a plus defender at short, of course, but that only makes it likelier that he’d be a high-quality defender on the other side of the bag. Openness to playing elsewhere shouldn’t be a necessity, but given that Story had something of a down season by his standards, an open-minded outlook ought to broaden his appeal.
Unlike Story, there’d be no position change for Chapman in virtually any scenario. His elite defense at third base is perhaps the most appealing element of his overall game, and the Mariners have an obvious opening at the hot corner after declining Kyle Seager’s $20MM option. Chapman’s strikeout rate has soared and his batting average has dropped since a 2020 hip injury that required surgery, but he still draws plenty of walks and hits with power.
Chapman is projected by MLBTR contributor Matt Swartz to earn $9.5MM in 2022 and is controlled another two seasons. He could draw interest from around a third of the league, if not more, so the Mariners will hardly be alone in any potential pursuit. Attempting to expand talks to include one of the Athletics’ starters would only ramp up the price, and such a package may not be realistic if Dipoto’s comments about refusing to trade from the very top end of his prospect capital hold true (link via Corey Brock of The Athletic). “There’s no scenario where we will move the top prospects in our system, the guys who are prominent in our system,” Dipoto said at the GM Meetings just nine days ago.
Turning to the 27-year-old Suzuki, he’d be something of an odd fit — at least from a defensive standpoint. While Suzuki briefly played some third base early in his career, he’s settled in as a quality right fielder, winning four Gold Gloves at that position in Japan. The general consensus MLBTR received when speaking to MLB scouts and evaluators familiar with Suzuki was that he can be a well-rounded, everyday right fielder in the Majors but isn’t really an option in the infield, for defensive reasons.
The Mariners already have numerous outfield options, including Mitch Haniger, Jarred Kelenic, Kyle Lewis, Jake Fraley, Taylor Trammell and yet-to-debut top prospect Julio Rodriguez. Not all are proven at the MLB level, of course, but winning the bidding on Suzuki would register as something of a surprise because of that depth — even with some DH at-bats available to help rotate four or five players through the outfield.
Perhaps the Mariners are more convinced Suzuki could move back to the infield on at least a part-time basis, or perhaps they simply believe his looming availability represents a unique opportunity to acquire an impact bat. (Suzuki, after all, has a .319/.435/.592 batting line with 121 home runs, 115 doubles and four triples dating back to 2018.) Regardless, Dipoto’s comment on the matter can’t be wholly ignored, even if the M’s seem an unlikely candidate to win the bidding when other interested parties have a more acute outfield need.
As for the reported interest in Oakland’s trio of available starting pitchers, it’s a good reminder that while there’s been a high level of focus on the Mariners’ quest to add at least one prominent bat to the lineup, they’ll also be in the market for one, if not two starting pitchers. The previously mentioned unwillingness to deal from the top of the system could make it tough to obtain a package of Chapman and a starting pitcher, but both Manaea and Bassitt would be one-year rentals, so acquiring either pitcher individually may not come with such a steep ask.
Whatever route they take, it’s increasingly evident that the Mariners are casting a very wide net as they look to end a two-decade playoff drought.
HalosHeavenJJ
Highly rated farm system and plenty of money to spend. Mariners are in a good place right now.
Balk
I agree, along with the other west coast team(Giants). Those two teams might be battling for a few of the same players.
Benjamin560
The Mariners would be a great fit for Suzuki. How ironic that we seem to attract 27 year old right fielders with the same last name from Japan.
Suzuki along with Semien and Chapman would be a very successful offseason just if you stopped right there!
Maybe we can get a package of Chapman and a SP for something in return as well.
kcusgnikcufsregdod
M’s aren’t getting Suzuki, no place to put him unless they trade their plethora of young outfielders for an area of need.
Benjamin560
Its a long offseason. Anything can happen.
HalosHeavenJJ
Never discount the possibility of Dipoto making trades.
hammertime510
Chapman and Manaea for Lewis, Sewald and Hancock .. who says no?
Chester Copperpot
There is no plethora. Fraley hit .210. Trammell hit .160. Lewis is coming off knee surgery and is more likely a DH than an OF..
Current OF depth would have Dylan Moore starting in LF… as he did for most of the 2nd half last year.. They need to upgrade the OF.
dshires4
Kyle Lewis is no sure bet to stick in CF post-injuries and Haniger is a year shy of free agency. Both Haniger and Lewis can and will be rotated through the DH slot as well. There absolutely is a fit for Suzuki.
slund24
Kyle Lewis should not be playing CF. He should be playing DH until healthy and then a corner OF position once he’s 100%. If they throw him out there as everyday CF, he’ll never stay healthy. M’s need a CF as a priority.
Buzz Saw
How about NO WAY
BabyBoyBlueDiamond
With his knee injury history, IF he can get back to playing baseball at a highly level, he’s an everyday DH, in my opinion. It’s a sad story, and he’s a good kid, but life doesn’t take prisoners and sometimes you get stuck with a unfair situation. He had all of the tools to be a perennial all star, but injuries, especially bad knee injuries, can derail all of that.
dale123
Seattle does
Jarred Kelenic's Beer Can
All of the Mariners outfielders, except for Haniger, can be optioned to AAA to make room. Plus, it’s not like they’re married to the Fraley/Moore platoon in LF either.
Scot04
The Mariners say no. They consider Hancock one of their top prospects.
Oakland definitely needs outfield help. So maybe Zack DeLoach #6 prospect, Juan Then #14, & Trammell might get you both Chapman & Manaea though; I think both sides would be ok with this.
debubba
Wrong. You can move Hanover around or package him for a starter.
Jarred Kelenic's Beer Can
I really doubt the Mariners are gonna deal one of their few good hitters for a starting pitcher, especially when there are a ton of quality SPs on the FA market still. All it does is open a new hole to plug another one. They can slide Haniger to DH full time if Suzuki plays RF, or they can put Moore and Fraley onto the bench where they belong, and put Suzuki in LF full time. They could alsi option one of their struggling young OFers to AAA and make room for Suzuki. Mariners are extremely flexible right now, which should prevent them from having to trade good players that they don’t need to trade.
sgtpain20
If Haniger doesn’t assign an extension, they will trade him. That will open up a spot in right. Or, they will let Haniger play the year out and hit him with a QO so they get an extra draft pick.
Asfan0780
That’s a trashy deal for A’s. Mariners are pursuing chapman supposedly. If A’s don’t get the offer they want I’m sure there will be at least a half dozen teams interested if not more. And trading him to a division rival, I’m guessing it would be even more a high price. And I’m sure manaea despitehaving 1 yr left on contract, left handed pitching is always a need. So he’ll be worth more than just a throw in. Probably worth at least 1 top prospect plus another piece himself
BPG86
Haha. Surely you jest?
Haniger isn’t a good defensive Right Fielder, there is no real Center Fielder on the roster now that Lewis’s knee is a huge red flag, and Kelenic is best suited for Left Field. Fraley and Trammell should both be seen as bench pieces at this point. Plus, Julio hasn’t even debuted yet.
If the Mariners don’t acquire a starting Outfielder, it’s a big time failure.
Scot04
So hypothetically if the Mariners landed Semien, Chapman, Verlander & someone like Rob Ray; You would consider it a failure?
BuddyBoy
The “plethora” of outfielders is overblown. The Ms have Haniger and Kelenic. The rest are questions at this point whether health or ability wise.
Scot04
DeLoach would be a top 3 prospect in many other farm systems, Juan then a top 10. With Oaklands need in the outfield trammell would likely start. Add Justin Dunn and they get a young #4/5 starter with tons of control. Definitely not a trashy deal. Oakland has always made deals like this without getting the top prospects yet, those players turn out pretty good as they develop them. Still your getting 2 young major league ready players and the Mariners #6 & #14. Their farm system is one of the highest rated in the league so you have to take that into consideration as well. What good are top prospects if they’re coming from the worst farm system in baseball. Oaklands GM is not stupid, he realizes this
Dogham
Maybe Lewis and Hancock and a mid-tier prospect, but I wouldn’t include Sewald because Manaea is a 1 yr rental with no guarantee of resigning or not regressing.
Crimson37
Everyone on the mariner side
ksmurray
Mariners
DimeZack13
I say no. Not a chance. Massive overpay. Now if it were Olson instead of Chapman, things get interesting. But I don’t know how keen the A’s are to move their best player. And the M’s really want to maintain their bullpen, I think, which projects as the among (if not) the best in baseball right now.
Scot04
Dipoto already said he’s not trading one of his top prospects & Hancock is one of them. Plus I think there are too many questions about Lewis for Oakland to take him. I don’t think Hancock or a healthy Lewis would be needed to land him anyway
bus035
Oakland and this coming from an M’s fan. Kyle Lewis’ reputation is currently damaged goods with a terrible 2nd half of 2020. He might have some trade appeal but at best 50 cents on the dollar.
Manaea alone might fetch that package but to get Chapman you’d probably have to add Brandon Williamson and one of our lotto tickets like Milkar Perez or Starlin Aguilar.
Scot04
There’s 0 chance Manaea on his 1year deal would get you a similar package to Justin Dunn, Trammell(or Fraley), + prospects #6 DeLoach & #14 Juan Then.
Both Dunn & Trammell(or Fraley) would be playing right away in Oakland. Dunn as your 5th starter.
Also it’s Manaea’s 1st healthy season since 2018 & he’sarbitration eligible. By himself you would probably get a top 20 prospect and a low level flyer. Plus Oakland will want to lose both salaries. If Oakland passed on a package like what’s listed above for both, Seattle should walk away.
GreenReign
Really we only have 3 entrenched starters, Hanger, Lewis, and Kelenic, and Lewis will see a lot of DH duty early on after coming off a knee injury. Trammell, and Fraley will battle it out for the 4th OF spot in camp, I honestly see both as good trade chips for both rotation and bullpen help. We can sign Suzuki, and DH Lewis while playing him in the field a couple times a week. The true log jam comes when J-Rod arrives. Also, you have to keep in mind injuries do happen, and the odds of the entire OF, especially Lewis avoiding the DL all season is slim to none.
BPax
The M’s once had a pitcher named Mac Suzuki also. As a youngster I was at the second game in Mariner history in the late and not so great Kingdome. Nolan Ryan pitched a 3 hitter. Bobby Bonds was in the Angels lineup. We had castoffs like Bill Stein, Bob “Scrap Iron” Stinson, Danny Meyer, Craig Reynolds., Mike Kekich. It’s been a long journey and we are now the only team to never make it to the World Series. If/when we do, this region will explode! And please hurry, none of us are getting any younger.
toycannon
I do not want to get Suzuki as I fear that will lead to trade Haniger which would be a gigantic mistake.
DimeZack13
No — Haniger isn’t going anywhere. Lineups needs stability and length. Suzuki would come in as a fourth outfielder in the mix — Haniger, Lewis, Suzuki, Kelenic. Fraley likely gets moved, and Trammell starts in AAA with Rodriguez. One of the four OF (Lewis) at DH. Injuries happen (again, Lewis not fully healthy) and Kelenic still not a sure thing so it’s not like they’re blocking Julio. Adding a good player always worth it.
A'sfaninUK
Nope. Mariners say this every single year and no one wants to go there.
They already have moved their top 5 prospects off the table, they aren’t getting Chapman without those, period. A’s aren’t trading a star within the div unless its absolute highway robbery, period.
houkenflouken
They do not say they are going to spend every single year. Sorry the M’s beat y’all 12 games in a row last year, only reason I can think why you are typing so angrily rn about the M’s.
UWM'sFan
I think you’re overvaluing the worth of a guy with 2 years of control left who just hung a .700 OPS/200K season at 3rd base. The risk that he’s bad has severely diminished his value.
ayrbhoy
A’sfanin Milton Keynes- The Mariners have never laid out an offseason plan like this EVER. I wouldn’t expect an A’s fan to know everything about each Mariners offseason plans but you’re statement is just false and frankly coming from a place dripping with envy. I get that though. I work alongside A’s fans- it’s criminal what that Org has done to the Bay Area and it’s fan base.
The M’s have never purposely tanked to rebuild their roster nor have they had a GM who has shared a 5 year blueprint for the future of the team with the public. One would have to be locked in a WW2 bomb shelter under Piccadilly Street for the last 3 years to think this offseason was anything like 2019’s and 2020’s!
Chester Copperpot
We might finally have an offseason to rival the Adrian Beltre / Richie Sexson year!!
ayrbhoy
That offseason was brilliant, I was buzzing after those moves.
Scot04
Oakland is known for taking packages with players and lower teir prospects; and then those players and prospects turn out very good.
They also like young controllable major league pitcher that might me considered a #4 or #5 starter such as a Justin Dunn. I don’t think it will require any of our top 5; However DeLoach #6 & 14 Juan, Trammell & Justin Dunn would likely get you Chapman and Manaea. They need outfielders badly add in a couple young pitchers as well. Unfortunately the trade makes too much sense for both teams; so won’t happen.
GreenReign
No one wants to come here? Someone forgot to tell Cano, Beltre, Sexson, Boone, Olerud, Ect…Enjoy last place.
Captain Dunsel
Perhaps Suzuki can cycle between positions.
Stevil
Seattle wouldn’t likely sign Suzuki to use him as a regular in RF. They would probably have him rotate around the outfield as needed and you could bet that they’d have him working with Perry Hill to at least make him serviceable in the infield in the event of an emergency.
I’d still prefer to see a true center fielder, but it’s not hard to understand the interest in Suzuki.
ayrbhoy
Stevil: Hope you’re enjoying this offseason banter! I’m curious- you’re a passionate M’s fan. What are your thoughts on next years roster? Do you think ownership will authorize funds for all these names listed in the above article: 2-3 premier impact bats AND a big name SP?
They certainly have the payroll to add any FA they want and have enough leftover to extend players like Haniger or Crawford. The question is will ownership have the same ambition as Dipoto-Hollander-McKay?
As much as I’d love to see a Semien or Story at 2B AND a K Bryant or Chapman I understand why a large portion of the fan base belongs to the “I’ll believe it when I see it” camp- An obvious defense mechanism for seasoned M’s fans!
Cheers!
Stevil
I laid out my expectations here: hardballviahardcore.blogspot.com/2021/10/h-hour-ha…
I (well, ‘we’, there are other contributors) think there’s a good chance of seeing two significant splashes: one fielder and one starting pitcher. But that obviously wouldn’t be enough. Trades and lesser-hyped free agents should be on Jerry’s menu as well.
I don’t expect much money spent on relievers, but I have to wonder if we could see a Graveman reunion.
Payroll sits around 50m right now with everything factored in. I don’t think it’s a stretch to see another 70-100m in additional commitments made, though I don’t anticipate any deals over 5 years and expect most deals to be 4 or less.
GreenReign
Yeah we should kick the tires on someone like Buxton.
painterman360
Please leave Matt chapman in Oakland. We don’t need to replace .212 hitting seager with .210 hitting chapman. Thank you
kylegocougs
I agree, I’d like to see a more consistent hitter like Semien or Bryant replacing Seager
toycannon
Agreed. Chapman strikes out more than Seager. Kyle’s .212 batting average was deceiving as he was excellent in hitting with runners on base. He hits as many HRs as Chapman and was cheaper. I’d rather they bring him back on a 2 year deal or sign Chris Taylor to come home.
Buzz Saw
You’re all forgetting Chapman still isn’t 100% from his hip surgery. He still was able to hit with power and play platinum level defense. Another off season of rest and rehab on that hip and I think he will have a much better offensive career ahead. If the hip becomes a chronic condition is the unknown factor of course, but who wouldn’t want him vacuuming up ground balls at 3B?
Benjamin560
Thats exactly what I said on the last thread. Hip injuries typically take longer to recover.
seamaholic 2
And quite often, they never do.
mdbaseball05
Hip injury or not, it’s not like Chapman was a .300 hitter before his hip injury. He is a career .243 hitter.
Mariners need offense too… at least Story and Bryant are both .270ish career hitters. Story can at least play above average defense too.
Jarred Kelenic's Beer Can
While Chapman’s AVG is low, he still provides value on offense as a slugger. He draws lots of walks and hits lots of homers. It’s not the most ideal way of doing things, but it does make him an above average run producer overall. Couple that with his elite 3B defense and he’s a very good player when fully healthy.
mdbaseball05
I know he has some value, especially on defense, I just don’t think he is an ideal fit. The Mariners are FULL of .230 hitting guys with a decent amount of homeruns. What they need is some pop from the left side, and some guys that hit for high-ish averages… guys in that .270-.300 range. You can’t hit people in if you don’t have guys getting on in front of the good hitters.
In that case, why not just bring back Kyle Seager? They’re fairly close in production, both have great defense, and Kyle isn’t going to cost prospects… especially if Oakland wants more since it’s within the division.
Jarred Kelenic's Beer Can
Chapman is 28-29ish. Seager is already 33. In theory, Chapman is more likely to bounceback/at least maintain his production while Seager’s basically in the middle of his decline. Also, Seager doesn’t take nearly as many walks as Chapman does, so even though their averages and power are roughly the same, Chapman still has the edge because of his ability to work counts.
Chester Copperpot
“Also, Seager doesn’t take nearly as many walks as Chapman does,”
Checks out I guess, depending on your definition of “nearly”
Chapman 60 BBs
Seager 57 BBS
mdbaseball05
Not really sure where you got your info Chester.
In 2021, Seager had 59 walks and Chapman had 80, and Chapman did that in 50 less plate appearances.
Chester Copperpot
You’re right mdbaseball! Good catch. I saw 60 when I first looked, but it’s clearly 80. I was just blind and/or dumb.
Camden453
A core of Haniger/Kelenic isn’t going to get it done. That’s not exactly Correa/Altuve/Bergman or Utley/Howard/Rollins
Dumpster Divin Theo
Utley Howard Rollins?
BabyBoyBlueDiamond
Haniger is legit and Kelenic just got done with his rookie campaign, which started very slow, but he improved drastically in the last two months. Not to mention he is super young. Wayyyyy too early to be giving up on his potential.
Jarred Kelenic's Beer Can
This is either purposeful Ty France and JP Crawford erasure to bait everyone, or you really do live under a rock.
rondon
I always wonder why a GM publicly states he won’t trade any of their top prospects. Even if he’s sincere, by tipping his hand it seems like his FA targets will ask for more since he’s limiting his trade market options. Just a thought..
passed_balls
Because Trader Jerry is an idiot.
Stevil
That’s really not a concern. It’s the elite players that require elite returns. He’s not stating that he’s not open to any trades.
rondon
“There’s no scenario where we will move the top prospects in our system.”
I was referring only to their top prospects which he states pretty clearly he will not trade.
seamaholic 2
Yes but he doesn’t definie “top prospects.”
BabyBoyBlueDiamond
It might look like he’s tipping his hand… but he could also be setting the stage. He dictates “the scenarios” in regards to what scenario would be acceptable for trading the top prospects. If a team blew his socks off… I doubt he’d look the other way. It’s just like a woman playing hard to get. Makes the man work even harder to win her over. It’s just posturing.
stymeedone
I’m sure Semien will drop his asking price if a team is willing to trade their prospects.
DarkSide830
im gonna regret not picking Suzuki to SEA, arent I?
kcusgnikcufsregdod
There are plenty of other teams that need a corner OF that will be stronger fits for Suzuki. He’s not going to sign with a team that tells him to play 3b when he’s been playing OF, or not have a proper plan for him by rotating him around the field. Teams like the Padres, Giants, Phillies, Rangers will land him.
seamaholic 2
I think they’re interested in Suzuki only in the circumstance where they’re able to use Kelenic or Haniger as the centerpiece in a trade for a starting pitcher. They’re not going to play him at third. Too easy to find a real third baseman; that wouldn’t make any sense.
mdbaseball05
No way they trade Kelenic, and Haniger isn’t going as “the centerpiece” in any deal. He’s in the last year of his contract.
Bookbook
If the M’s sign Suzuki, he plays mostly RF. Lewis plays CF if healthy. Kelenic either plays LF or CF. Haniger is mostly at DH. If/when Julio forces his way in, then the team has to get creative. But Trammell had the kind of year that screams future 4th OF, Lewis’ knee may derail his career. Kelenic hasn’t forced anyone to pencil him in for 150 games, Haniger needs rest, and Julio hasn’t played above AA (and not many games at that level). The M’s need a Suzuki or a true CF if they’re trying to make the playoffs in 2022.
Stevil
I would bet that Suzuki would move around. Jerry’s been pretty clear that they’re interested in positional flexibility and Suzuki is capable of moving around.
ayrbhoy
“Kelenic hasnt forced anyone to pencil him in for 150 games.” – I assume you say this because you think he will be pencilled in for 162 games.
If you are suggesting that Kelenic’s 2021 has given the M’s FO uncertainty you must have been off the grid since August. Welcome back, now that you have internet access again feel free to go look at JK’s last 2 months in his season. Over the last 5-6 weeks he was one of the most productive hitters in all of MLB.
His humbling first 2 months in baseball will be the best thing that ever happened to him.
People in the media, scouts, coaches etc can tell a young player he is going to succeed in MLB. However until they show they can learn from failure at that level all the hype before their promotion doesn’t mean a thing.
RAF
I mean, if t the M’s have “too many outfielders” for Suzuki to make sense but are short of trade chips for Chapman/an A’s pitcher the answer is obvious…trade some of them? A package headlined with Lewis would probably be a decent start.
ayrbhoy
If Kyle Lewis is healthy enough to be traded at maximum value, or something close to it, the M’s would be nuts to trade him away.
The obvious reasons being- Kyle is controllable through 2025 and getting paid $575k in 2022. The M’s will have to pay a posting fee for Suzuki that could amount to more money than Kyle Lewis will be owed over the next 4 seasons!
Suzuki may have raked in Japan but there’s no guarantee he will have the same success in MLB than the AL ROY CF’er already with a career wRC+ of 121. As you know Kyle Lewis is a smart hitter that can make adjustments to MLB pitching, he has a power to all fields and if healthy is a good defender in CF.
I may be higher on Kyle Lewis than most but that’s because I was lucky to spend the day with former ATL Braves and TX SP Mike Foltynewicz. I asked him who was the hardest guy to pitch to in the M’s lineup in 2021. W/0 hesitation he said Kyle Lewis. Folty spoke highly of KLew: I trust an MLB SP’s opinion of him over anyone!
RAF
I mean, any package for Chapman & Montas/Bassitt/Manaea is going to sting a little. Out of Kelenic, Julio and Lewis I’d probably part with Lewis first. He’s great when healthy but the problem is that that isn’t very often. If the A’s (or any trade partner for that matter) are willing to take a gamble on the knee they might be in for huge bargain but if Jerry is deadset on keeping all of his top prospects and wants impact players back he’s going to have to trade away some talent.
ayrbhoy
RAF: I can’t tell how excited I am to even be discussing trades for any one of those 4 A’s players, haha!! -Those who know me would say I’m Mariners daft! Bordering obsessed! It’s been such a long time since ‘we’ve’ had this sort of optimism and excitement going into an offseason.
I totally agree that whoever is sent away to get those A’s players it “is going to sting a little.” As you suggest – you don’t get something for nothing and each one of those players ARE something! I cannot WAIT to see this roster on OD. I’m trying like h@ll not to get too excited because we’ve been let down in past offseason’s, but articles and discussions like this raise the needle back to an almost unhealthy level of optimism haha!
Adding onto my previous points on trading KLew: I just think we have plenty of valuable options w/o trading (a rehabbing) KLew – we have an abundance of good RPers. Former Top 100 prospects with some MLB experience such as Fraley, Dunn, Sheffield, Trammell etc, and an excess of arguably the most valuable prospect position in MLB: Starting Pitchers. A combination package with 1-2 players from each of those 3 pools HAS to be worth “something.”
Sign someone already!!
Fred Park
One of our regular commenters,, namely Stevil, has already talked about most of these angles, with some great insights as to how and why things might work.
Stevil is one of the best baseball minds I have ever known, and we all need to think about what he is saying in his comments.
Unfortunately, Stevil disowned me a couple of years ago over a spat we had on Shannon Drayer’s blog when Disqus was still going full force. He has muted me so that he can’t see my comments here.
Of course he is not missing anything.
We had some history even before that, and Stevil was a great friend.
My loss!
But I say we need to go get Semien!
Everything hinges on that. Anything else is just patchwork.
MartialArtisan
Don’t sweat it, Fred. Stevil’s reputation precedes him. People are well aware. He does have a great baseball mind. And he’ll be the first to tell you.
Fred Park
Thank you, MartialArtisan.
lee cousins
You may be right Fred, but then with all the patchwork last year the pitching made up the difference.
bobtillman
Everybody knows Suzuki is going to Baltimore.
Appalachian_Outlaw
Ha! You think they’re outbidding Pittsburgh? Be serious.
Buzz Saw
For 10 years and $300MM, right? 🙂
antsmith7
2 weeks from today is the lockout. Need to get something done!
dale123
Got news for Mariners. Suzuki isn’t coming here to play third and story isn’t taking a 200 to 300 m contract to play 2b.
Stevil
I’ve got news for you: Seattle isn’t likely giving anyone 200-300m to play 2B.
But it’s weird that anyone would think that 200-300m couldn’t convince someone to switch positions.
slund24
Yeah, if a team offers Story 100-200m more than any other team, I’m sure he would play any position they ask and sell peanuts to fans between innings.
A'sfaninUK
“I’ve got news for you: Seattle isn’t likely giving anyone 200-300m to play 2B.”
Robinson Cano exists. You are wrong. Why are there 5 upvotes on this comment? You ALL forgot like 8 years ago? Or you only got into baseball a year ago? Or are you sorry homer fans who think their dumb FO only wins at trades and everyone wants to play for the loser franchise not committed to winning?
Stevil
Was Robinson Cano signed by Jerry Dipoto? Do you think Jerry was thrilled to inherit that contract?
But please, continue. You’re on a roll.
houkenflouken
And how did that contract with cano turn out? You are the one that’s wrong. Seattle ain’t paying $200m+ for a second baseman unless it’s Corey Seager. Your angry rant doesn’t even make sense.
myaccount2
Oh, I don’t know, A’sfan, maybe because that was an entirely different front office with a different GM, and a different controlling owner. Clueless.
boybravo25
Lol you are clueless the top man was Lincoln in both previous and last ownership
myaccount2
Lincoln is not here anymore. Stanton is in the owner and Dipoto is the man in charge. Before, Lincoln was acting owner and Jack Z signed Cano. “Previous” and “last” mean the same thing.
slund24
You’re right, no way Story is taking 200 to 300m to play 2b. Probably more like 100-125m to do so.
seamaholic 2
Story isn’t gonna agree to play 2B. If the Mariners want a SS to move over, Baez and Semien literally JUST did it, last year. They’re available and will probably both be cheaper than Story (Baez because he isn’t as good, Semien because he’s older). And not for nothing, I have no idea why the Mariners, if they signed Story, would force him to move. He’s a better SS than JP Crawford.
myaccount2
Story might not have to move now but he’ll have to within a few years if his arm continues deteriorating like it has. Check the data on his arm strength and accuracy. It’s nosedived significantly since 2019.
rocky7
Where the hell do you guys get this stuff….his arm strength and accuracy is deteriorating? The guys a Gold Glove SS!
rocky7
Why would Story want to play any position other than SS given that he’s going to sign a multi year contract….Simien agreed to play 2nd for the Jays last year on a 1year deal knowing that if he hit (which he did), he was in line for a multi year SS contract with another team…..SS is a premium position…..2nd basemen are plentiful! Come on man!
Jarred Kelenic's Beer Can
If 2B are so plentiful, then how come there are only two really good ones on the free agent market (Semien, Baez)?
❤️ MuteButton
Mitch Haniger is the only one that should be guaranteed a spot in the Mariners outfield. Kelenic looks like a modern day Phil Plantier. On contending teams somebody like Lewis would be a defensive replacement. When you have lots of “options” that means you don’t have a clear-cut guy. That’s what the Mariners should be considering
DonOsbourne
Love a good Phil Plantier reference.
Eric the Pilot
none of the outfielders you mentioned are proven major leaguers or cannot field well. Suzuki is an obvious fit in RF. Haniger is moving to DH, Kelenic will split his time between all 3 OF positions, Trammel needs to stay in AAA all of 2022 and Fraley may never hit or be gone (taking a 40 man spot). Finally, Kyle Lewis is a huge ? for 2022 as he is not even playing baseball activities and has huge injury concerns for 2022.
seamaholic 2
And where’s the #1 OF prospect in baseball gonna play? Yeah, they have too many OF to spend their money on Suzuki. Unless they trade one or two, which is actually what I think they’re gonna do. I think Haniger’s good as gone.
houkenflouken
Absolutely zero chance Haniger gets traded. Mariners fans know that
Jarred Kelenic's Beer Can
Coming into spring of 2021 people thought the Mariners were full in the outfield, mainly because of the impact prospects who are/were close to big league ready at the time, and the thought was that Fraley would be an adequate 4th OF once the rookies took over. Subsequently, they gave utility player Dylan Moore too many ABs as a LF, and had to trade for Jake Bauers. Trammell and Kelenic both struggled pretty much all season. Lewis tore another ligament in his knee and hasn’t played since June. He might not be the same. Fraley missed some time because of a strained hamstring, covid, and then dealt with shoulder inflammation late in the year. They’re not full of outfielders who can produce and stay healthy at the same time, and just about all of the young ones can be optioned back to AAA if they struggle/the team needs room for offseason acquisitions. The only OF you can legitimately pencil in with any confidence out there is Haniger right now.
zoinksscoob
Trevor Story’s career home/away splits:
Home: 1592 PA, .303/.369/.603, .354 BABIP
Away: 1544 PA, .241/.310/.442, .317 BABIP
Why would Dipoto even consider him, especially given the extreme park factor difference between Coors Field and T-Mobile Park? STAY AWAY JERRY!
Stevil
Take a look at his splits playing in the AL West and it should make more sense.
zoinksscoob
VERY small sample sizes at those parks, and really, it’s just the Texas ballparks where he was good. Story makes a lot more sense for the Rangers or Astros than the Mariners.
Stevil
Well, small sample sizes are all you get from a career National-leaguer, but if you look a little harder/longer/whatever, you’ll see he hit everywhere, except the 2-game sample in Oakland.
Over the course of 143 PAs in AL West Stadiums, he’s hit respectably and for power. That’s not nothing.
seamaholic 2
Oh for goodness sake. I thought we were done with these posts? Take a second and google “Reverse Coors” or research what Rockies hitters with large home-road splits do when they leave the Rockies. Spoiler alert: They do really well, typically better than their park adjusted stats say they will. The reason is that Rockies hitters do better than their true talent level when at home, but WORSE than their true talent level on the road, because it’s so hard to adjust to actual breaking pitches at sea level, and because they deal with some of the best pitching staffs in some of the most pitcher friendly stadiums when they go on the road in their division. This is extremely well established and every front office in baseball is well aware of it.
Stevil
Someone at BP just did a piece detailing why the Coors Field ‘myth’ is exactly that.
But all it takes is a little research and an open mind.
stymeedone
@scoob
Every hitter in CO has splits like those. Are you new to the game? The numbers even out more when they no longer play half their games in Coors.
Jarred Kelenic's Beer Can
Good CO hitters have moved onto other teams and kept hitting well. Remember Matt Holliday, Larry Walker, and Nolan Arenado? They all moved to St. Louis later in their careers, which is fairly neutral as far as ballparks go, and they’ve all performed well. DJ LeMahieu actually performed much better after signing with the Yankees than he ever did playing in Coors. There’s no reason to think Trevor Story, who’s also a very good hitter usually, won’t do well if his home park changed.
A'sfaninUK
The Mariners aren’t gettin Chappy unless they put their top 5 prospects back on the table. Other teams will simply outbid them. Everyone wants Chapman and Olson. Their trade value is massive. A’s have zero incentive to make the Mariners better.
houkenflouken
The thing is our #8 prospect is better than most teams #3 prospect. We don’t have to trade any of our top 6 prospects to get a deal done
Stevil
Do you think the A’s intend to rebuild in 1 year and come back in 2023 while Chapman would still be under contract with Seattle in a hypothetical trade?
The A’s are open for business and I doubt they’ll discriminate. Whether or not a deal with Seattle is there remains to be seen, but you shouldn’t think they’re limiting themselves.
dale123
Story is going to end up with rangers if seager dont.he grew up a rangers fan and lives in off season 10 minutes from globe life field.
seamaholic 2
The next time a consideration like that is decisive, for someone who makes $25m a year and can literally own a jet if he wanted to, will be the first time.
Stevil
That’s where I expect him to land, but money talks and it’s not a stretch to think he might consider Seattle or that Seattle would be interested.
marinersblue96
I see Houston as a better fit for Story. He would be a very good replacement for Correa and over $100 million less in financial commitments. He would still be in the state of Texas playing for a team coming off a WS appearance that is looking to re-load not re-build.
Stevil
Houston isn’t a stretch at all, but they have less room to work with than Texas, especially if they chase any significant starting pitchers.
oldredgunslinger
Story spent all day yesterday with the Rangers, meeting with top brass and visiting the facilities per Evan Grant.
martevious
He is crazy if he signs with the Rangers. They aren’t going to be good again for a long time.
houkenflouken
We still have good prospects to trade outside of our top 6 prospects. Just because we won’t trade anyone in the top 6 doesn’t mean we don’t trade anyone else.
martevious
The Mariners aren’t getting any of those players from Oakland without reading some of the talent they have said they don’t want to trade!
The outfield, so far, isn’t really proving to be an area of strength for the Mariners.
BuhnerBuzzCut
M’s traditional move would be to give Baez a monster contract & it to be an obvious disaster 1 season in.
CalcetinesBlancos
Would be hilarious to see the Mariners ditch Seager and then add Chapman considering they seem to be the same player more or less.
ScoBoe
Less 5yrs age wise ♂️
AlienBob
Signing Suzuki could trigger some knock-on trades. Suzuki could play CF or RF. . I don’t see him on the infield. His arm is too valuable. While everyone loves Haniger, he or Kelenic could become a valuable trade piece with Cleveland. Cleveland needs a corner OF the way we need a 2B. Trading Haniger would reduce the payroll in several ways. Dipoto avoids him going free agent next year. Cleveland is loaded with middle infielders. I would try and trade Haniger for SS Gabriel Arias and 3B Nolan Jones. That avoids the need to fill 2B with an expensive Marcus Semien. It relieves Cleveland of the log jam in their infield. The M’s stay young and cheap with plenty of minor league prospects. Suzuki replaces Haniger’s production. Julio has a spot in the outfield.
Jarred Kelenic's Beer Can
I don’t see why they can’t roll with a Suzuki/Kelenic/Haniger outfield on opening day. Julio’s been a monster prospect, but that’s just it. He’s a prospect with no experience above AA. If the Mariners intend to go for it and start contending, they aren’t going to just hand the starting RF job to a rookie when they have a good veteran already there. LF is a hole. They ran a platoon of Fraley/Moore and got underwhelming results. They gave Jake Bauers and Taylor Trammell time there, and they were disastrous at best. They can easily plug Suzuki in LF.
slund24
Who plays CF in your scenario? Kelenic should not be playing there, he should be in LF..
mdbaseball05
Leave Kelenic in CF and let him develop a little. Plenty of guys have had negative dWAR seasons and come back to post the opposite the next year. Kelenic was 21 and had just gotten called up… let him settle in, show some confidence in him, and surround him with some better OFers as well (like Suzuki would do).
Jarred Kelenic's Beer Can
Leave Kelenic there for now. He could work himself up to okay defense in CF, and as long as the bat continues to improve, he’ll be solid.
AlienBob
Either Suzuki or Julio could be in CF. Maybe not ideal but they both have the speed for the position until Kyle Lewis or Trammel step up.
HBan22
If the Mariners really want to compete for a title by next season without trading many (or any) of their many top prospects, they’re going to need to spend aggressively this winter. Luckily, it seems like that’s just what they are preparing to do. Two impact bats would be ideal, along with adding a front line starting pitcher. I like the idea of them signing both Bryant and Semien to contracts in the 5 year, $150 million dollar range, as they both fill by far the two biggest needs on offense (2B and 3B), both would bring veteran leadership and plenty of experience to this young team, and both of their contracts would be close to being done by the time the Mariners would have to start ponying up the big bucks for guys like Rodriguez, Kelenic, Gilbert, and other soon-to-arrive top prospects like Marte and Kirby.
If they can manage to pry Luis Castillo away from the Reds without surrendering any of their truly elite prospects, I think they should do that instead of handing out a massive contract to a Kevin Gausman or Robbie Ray. The Mariners match up well with the Reds on a trade, and Seattle has already been reported to be quite interested in Castillo. Perhaps a package of Zach DeLoach, Levi Stoudt, and a couple more lower level prospects would get it done. If the Reds would accept something like that, the Mariners should pull the trigger. If they prefer to go the free agent route to acquire an ace, Carlos Rodon could be a good high-risk/high-reward shorter term option.
Adding the trio of Bryant, Semien and Castillo immediately makes this team a legitimate contender that is only going to get better and better the next few seasons. Do it up, Jerry!
bloomquist4hof
The Reds would ask for Kirby and/or Hancock. The issue is either of those could be just as good and with more years of control. I think Dipoto woild just say no, especially for Kirby, buy who knows. I do suspect Dipoto will be all over Castillo but the Reds will rightfully ask for someone like that. The problem is the Mariners need good players with several years of control to keep any window of contention going and too many trades like that would likely lead to more short term gain but derail the longer term goal of being perennial contenders for several years. I do think they should consider some of those trades, getting a star would help know, but I’m leery about it. I think theres a good chance they trade one untradables to jumpstart things despite Dipotos comments especially if their FA signings are lackluster
bloomquist4hof
Goodness writing on my phone makes me look illiterate
mdbaseball05
Kinda said it in another post, but I’ll say more here.
If the Mariners could land Suzuki, that would be awesome. For those saying he doesn’t have a spot… he absolutely could. Haniger has one year left, and some of the other outfield guys haven’t panned out completely or have dealt with injuries (Fraley, Trammell, Lewis).
My ideal off-season would be this (Suzuki edition):
1. Pay up and get Corey Seager to play 3B
2. Sign Suzuki to play RF
3. Trade for Chris Paddack (Fraley + perhaps)
4. Trade the DBacks for Ketel Marte + Zac Gallen
5. Sign Kyle Scharwber
INFIELD: Seager, Crawford, Ketel Marte, and France.
OUTFIELD: Haniger, Kelenic, and Suzuki. If you don’t trust Kelenic in CF yet, move Marte to CF and potentially look at someone like Chris Taylor for 2B/CF if you don’t want Moore or Toro there. Haniger stays until JRod is called up, then Haniger could be 4th OFer or DH with Schwarbs. Variations if someone like Lewis is still in the mix as well.
ROTATION: Gallen, Gonsales, Paddock and whoever is left after the DBacks trade between Gilbert, Flexen, Sheffield, Kirby, and Hancock, etc.
Corey Seager and Schwarbs give the Marines some left-handed power that they need to balance out righties like France, Lewis/Haniger, the eventual JRod, and the catchers while also paired with switch-hitters in Marte and Toro.
Kelenic, Kirby, Hancock, Marte, JRod, and likely Gilbert are all untouchable in trades, IMO.
Outside of those, that still leaves a lot from White, Sheffield, Trammell, Lewis, Fraley, Williamson, and maybe one of the big 3 (Gilbert, Hancock, or Kirby), etc that could be traded to make the deals with SD and the DBacks get done. If they don’t get Suzuki, obviously it’s important to keep one of the outfielders as well.
JaxDan
As a Reds fan the deal you proposed I would like Deloach and reading about Stoud I would consider him as a third player based on injury history with Tommy John and his upside is as a back end starter. Looking at the Berrios trade that netted Minnesota with the 16th and 68th top 100 prospect Seattle would need to include Kirby current rated 33 or Hancock who is ranked 34th.
HBan22
It’s very possible that the Reds would demand one of Kirby or Hancock in a package for Castillo, but I don’t see the Mariners agreeing to that. Dipoto has already stated that they won’t trade any of their elite prospects. I could still see a quantity over quality type of deal, though (think Mike Clevinger to the Padres for several mid-level prospects), seeing as how the Mariners have the deepest system in the game now. A package of DeLoach, Stoudt or Connor Phillips, and a couple of lower level guys with high upside like Alberto Rodriguez or Starlin Aguilar should at least get the Reds attention.
mdbaseball05
If a deal with the Reds is done, I wouldn’t mind trying to get Senzel back somehow. They kinda just stopped letting him play, so it’d be fun to see what he could do with more regular experience.
JaxDan
I really don’t see a trade between the 2 teams with quantity over quality. The Reds really need to have a trade comparable to Berrios especially when Castillo has about a 3.5 WAR over Berrios in 2 less years. If Kirby or Hancock is not in a deal than I hope it would be Ford, Deloach and Williamson. The Reds I hope would ask for a SP with more of a track record and not a history of injuries like Stoudt.
JaxDan
If the Reds had to include an extra player to get Kirby or Hancock I would not have an issue including Senzel. A fresh start might be what is needed.
bloomquist4hof
Kirby isn’t going anywhere unless they are absolutely blown away and Hancock isn’t too far behind. Kirby went from possible #2 to possible ace and still has a higher floor than most prospects at his age and level. The uptick in his stuff while retaining the control he was drafted for make him a very valuable prospect, maybe the best pitching prospect they’ve had since Felix. Hancock also has ace potential. Two nasty fastballs and a good change up. He’s not as polished as Kirby nor has his control but has excellent stuff and is getting close to the majors. Both of them are likely up next year barring injury or taking an unexpected step back in terms of stuff or control.
bloomquist4hof
I guess if they get in on a trade for a star they have to be in play but they could regret either one easily they could both be aboce average as soon as 2022 with Kirby more likely to accomplish that.
bloomquist4hof
To actually address your proposal I’m thinking that would help sweeten things and still doubt Dipoto does it, Senzel has definitely lost a lot fo trade value, but he’s made trades people didn’t expect before so maybe he would. The combo obviously helps the Mariners now and would help augment whatever else they do this off-season. A quality SP and a potentially startable OF are two things he will shopping for
crazybaseballgal
I feel like a 16-year-old girl waiting for the phone to ring with an invitation to the prom. And you don’t know if it’s coming or not. C’mon Jerry! Put me out of my misery and sign one significant player now!
Slothcliff Hokum
I don’t want too much this off-season, I just want the M’s to sign four free agents (Kris Bryant, Chris Taylor, Marcus Semien, Jon Gray) and trade for one more player (Castillo). LOL, that isn’t too much, right? The three position players can play multiple positions and give Servais all kinds of great lineup options. The two SPs slot in nicely with Flexen, Gonzales, and Gilbert while giving some of the SPs in the minors more time to develop.
Yeah, I know, it IS too much to ask for, but hey, it’s Hot Stove season and it’s fun to dream!
Benjamin560
Who’s the lefty in the lineup then? Where does you’re left handed middle of the order power come from?
I think Jerry’s has to acquire at least one major left handed power bat to help balance this roster.
Dadbodfromseattle
I don’t care who the Mariners sign as long as Suzuki is one of those people that are signed that guy is going to be better than shohei otani offensively I think