The tea leaves in Oakland aren’t painting a pretty picture of what is to come. A few weeks ago, they let manager Bob Melvin depart and join the Padres, seemingly just to save themselves a few million in salary. Then they declined a $4MM option on Jake Diekman, a fair enough price for a solid lefty reliever. Then there were the recent comments of general manager David Forst, who said that they are willing to listen to trade offers for any of their players. “This is the cycle for the A’s. We have to listen and be open to whatever comes out of this. This is our lot in Oakland until it’s not.” Everything seems to be pointing towards a big sell-off in Oakland, with their arbitration-eligible players likely to be exchanged for younger and cheaper alternatives.
As the front office is doing all of that listening, they are likely to hear a lot about Matt Chapman. The third baseman, who turns 29 in April, can be controlled for two more seasons via arbitration. The arbitration projections of MLBTR contributor Matt Swartz point to Chapman’s 2022 salary being in the $9.5MM range, with him then being due another raise for 2023, before being eligible for free agency. That’s not prohibitively expensive for a lot of teams, but for the Athletics, that’s a decent chunk of their budget. They’re currently projected for a 2022 payroll over $85MM, per Jason Martinez of Roster Resource. Their opening day number has only been above $90MM once, which was 2019, before the pandemic wiped out almost two thirds of a season and left teams playing in front of empty stadiums for the remainder. (Hat tip to Cot’s Baseball Contracts.) Hypothetically speaking, if they want to get that number down around $65MM, which was their opening day figure in 2018, a contract around $10MM would represent about 15% of the total outlay.
The timing of trading Chapman puts the Oakland brass in a difficult position, as he’s coming off a down year, relative to his own lofty standards. From his debut in June of 2017 until the end of the 2019 season, he played 385 games, hitting 74 home runs and slashing .257/.341/.500. His strikeout rate of 23.9% was a tad higher than league average, but so was his 10.1% walk rate. All that amounted to a wRC+ of 127 that, combined with his elite defense, added up to 15.6 fWAR. However, 2020 saw him fall from those incredible heights. His batting average dropped, his strikeout rate increased, his walk rate decreased and then his season was ended prematurely by hip surgery. In 2021, the good news was that he was healthy enough after the surgery to play 151 games and provide excellent defense, winning his third Gold Glove award. But the offense didn’t fully come back. His walk rate shot up to 12.9%, but his strikeout rate was a whopping 32.5%. He did hit 27 homers, but his overall line of .210/.314/.403 was well below his previous level, and amounted to a wRC+ of 101, just a hair above league average. It seems absurd to refer to 3.4 fWAR as a “down year”, but it is for Chapman, as that’s barely half of the 6.7 and 6.1 he was worth in 2018 and 2019, respectively.
For the Oakland front office, that puts them at a crossroads. One path is to hold onto him and hope for a return to his prior form and increase in his trade value. They could accomplish their salary-shedding goals by trading other players, such as Matt Olson, Sean Manaea and Chris Bassitt, who are all projected to earn between $8.8MM and $12MM. Olson’s is coming off his best season, while Manaea and Bassitt are both free agents after 2022. However, holding Chapman comes with the risk that he could be injured again, or just stay his 2021 level and see his trade value reduced as he gets closer to free agency. The way to avoid that risk would be to just make a move now, even if his trade value isn’t at its peak.
If they do decide to part with Chapman, or any other player, they seem likely to target MLB-ready pieces. As noted by Steve Adams, from the piece linked in the first paragraph, the club’s various resets usually don’t last very long because this has been their method. The team has only had a losing record eight times in the 24 seasons of the Billy Beane era, and never for more than three in a row. With that in mind, let’s consider some potential trading partners.
Mariners: There’s a third base vacancy in Seattle for the first time a long time, as Kyle Seager is now a free agent. Abraham Toro is pencilled in there for now, but he’s also capable of moving to second base and bumping Dylan Moore into a bench/utility role, making Chapman an easy fit. The club is expected to be aggressive this offseason, as they look to build on a strong 2021 campaign. The Athletics are probably loath to send Chapman to a division rival, but they may also be interested in one of Seattle’s many young and cheap outfielders. The Mariners have Mitch Haniger in one spot, with the other two being open for Jarred Kelenic, Kyle Lewis, Jake Fraley, Taylor Trammell, Julio Rodriguez and Zach DeLoach. The Athletics have just seen Mark Canha and Starling Marte head into free agency and are unlikely to outbid other teams in order to bring them back. Ramon Laureano will still be serving his suspension for the first 27 games of the 2022 season, leaving Oakland with outfield options such as Stephen Piscotty, Seth Brown, Chad Pinder, Skye Bolt and Luis Barrera.
Marlins: Miami has a tremendous pitching surplus and is looking to use it to improve their offense, particularly at catcher and in the outfield. However, third base is a bit of a question mark for them as well. Brian Anderson is penciled in there now, but only got into 67 games in 2021 due to various injuries. Even if he is healthy, he’s capable of playing the outfield, meaning that adding Chapman could indirectly be the outfield addition they seek. With the expected addition of the DH in the NL, it would also be easy to have them both in the lineup. The Athletics would presumably be interested in Miami’s arms that have yet to reach arbitration, such as Zach Thompson, Sixto Sanchez, Edward Cabrera, Max Meyer or maybe even getting Jesus Luzardo back.
Blue Jays: Much like the Marlins, the Jays also saw their third baseman miss a lot of time due to injury. Cavan Biggio was an awkward fit at third anyway, as he had primarily been a second baseman prior to this year and moved to accommodate the addition of Marcus Semien. If Chapman were at third, Biggio could slide back to the keystone, with Bo Bichette and Vladimir Guerrero Jr. filling out the rest of the infield. Chapman was recently rumored to be a target of the Jays. The Jays have a catching surplus, but that may not interest Oakland with Sean Murphy already on hand. But perhaps they would be interested in Nate Pearson, who has ace potential but has struggled with injuries recently, or infield prospect Jordan Groshans, who spent all of 2021 at Double-A and should be knocking on the door of the majors next year.
Yankees: The Yankee infield is a bit of musical chairs at the moment, with the team seemingly giving up on Gleyber Torres as a shortstop. The infield right now, on paper, would be Torres at second with DJ LeMahieu at third, Gio Urshela at shortstop and Luke Voit at first. Voit doesn’t seem to have a job locked down, as the club has looked into Anthony Rizzo and Matt Olson, but they could also acquire Chapman and move LeMahieu over to first. The Yankees are also looking into top free agent shortstops, which could make prospects like Anthony Volpe and Oswald Peraza into trade chips that would interest the Athletics. Or perhaps Oakland would be interested in young and controllable arms, such as Michael King, Luis Gil, Clarke Schmidt, Deivi Garcia or Luis Medina.
Mets: J.D. Davis only played 73 games in 2021 due to a hand injury that sent him to the IL multiple times. When healthy, he provided his usual mix of strong offense coupled with poor defense. He was reportedly available at the trade deadline and even admitted himself that he has a “gut feeling” he won’t be with the team next year. Although even if he were to stay and the club acquired Chapman, Davis would be a good fit at DH, should the NL implement it, given his profile. With Chapman in the fold, it could allow the Mets to part with third base prospects such as Brett Baty or Mark Vientos, both of whom are close to reaching the majors.
Phillies: A year ago, it seemed like the third base job in Philadelphia was locked down for years to come, as Alec Bohm had a breakout rookie campaign in 2020. He hit a tremendous .338/.400/.481 for a wRC+ of 138. However, seemingly everything went wrong in 2021, as he dropped to .247/.305/.342 for a wRC+ of 75 and even got optioned to the minors for over a month. With the Athletics taking a step back, they could give Bohm some playing time and see if he can recapture that prior form. However, the Phillies have bigger priorities in the outfield and bullpen, which may mean that they hang on to him.
Rockies: In the first season of the post-Arenado era, Ryan McMahon got most of the playing time at the hot corner, who paired average-ish offense with excellent defense. But he’s also capable of playing second base, with Brendan Rodgers then moving to shortstop to replace Trevor Story, who is now a free agent. Chapman’s power bat moving to the high-altitude environment of Coors Field is tantalizing to imagine, and could potentially make infield prospects like Colton Welker and Elehuris Montero expendable.
Lloyd Emerson
“From his debut in June of 2017 until the end of the 2019 season, he played 573 games”
Inconceivable! Impossible!
jk49
Just as inconceivable as the low-altitude environment of Coors Field?
prov356
“Inconceivable”
You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means.
BobGibsonFan
That’s almost 200 games per year. That’s pretty good.
Thank goodness no one reads these articles. Why bother with a proof reader?
redmatt
Heavens to betsy…there needs to be a gulag for mistakes like that.
MuleorAstroMule
How does anyone get past all the adjectives. If I read the word “whopping” one more time…
impapad17
Looks like a typo… should have said “until the end of the 2021 season, he played 573 games”.
BobGibsonFan
Baseball is a data driven sport. Players are judged based on the stats they put up. If you are loose with the numbers, then dont cry because a guy is hitting .200, just say hes hitting .300. It will be much better.
Justanotherstrosfan
Not impossible. Improbable, yes. But you also have to remember that in that time the A’s also made the post season 2x and won the division once. Maybe that’s where hes getting the numbers. Total PA’s, regular and post season combined. Just a guess though.
1984wasntamanual
White Knight failure.
Nantaico
Highly doubt the pitching needy Jays would trade Pearson while his stock is low for 2 years and 10+ mill per year w/ ARB left of Chapman. Groshans makes sense, not Nate.
92jays
Dunno man. They traded Austin Martin.
Nantaico
For pitching.. also, Martin hasn’t hit as a pro much and is logjammed.. was it a lot? Yes. But he’s not Pearson.
92jays
Unless the jays wanna chance it with Groshans at 3rd to start the season. He hit pretty good in AA
iverbure
If the cba in regards to service time stays the same for next season then there’s no chance he starts the season at 3rd.
Dustyslambchops23
Pearson’s value is low, Martin’s was pretty high
downsr30
People will rip on the A’s for this strategy, but as a business, they know what they need to do to turn a profit. They don’t have the market the Yankees or Red Sox do, and they are tied to Oakland until they aren’t.
Much like the Expos were ripped on for being a cheap franchise when no one was going to their games, and then when they moved to Washington, got a new stadium and fans showed up, they spent plenty of $.
Until the A’s leave Oakland, they will have to trade their players with a couple years of control to get multiple pieces for the next contending product. The fact that the A’s and Rays have been able to do what they’ve done and compete at the level they have is incredible. Those bigger market teams should take notes.
48-team MLB
I’m all for them relocating but they need to change the name like the Expos did.
Dunedin020306
I don’t concur. The name Expos was linked to Montreal, where the name Athletics is not geographically linked. The Expos began play in 1969 and were named after the Expo 67 World’s Fair in Montreal, and the Expos originally played at Jarry Park Stadium before moving to Olympic Stadium in 1977 and moving from Montreal to DC in 2004. The Athletics were founded in 1901. in Philadelphia and have kept the name during their moves to Kansas City and Oakland.
Change just for the sake of change is not necessarily improvement. If it ain’t broke, don’t fix it..
solaris602
You may wanna rethink that. CLE spent years whittling down a list of names and ended up with the Guardians. The former Redskins STILL don’t have a name, and God only knows what it will end up being. Keep the name and the colors – you won’t do any better than that.
seamaholic 2
The Athletics have already been in three cities. Why not make it a fourth?
tedtheodorelogan
The SF Bay Area is bigger than the whole state of Mass. A’s have a plenty big market. They used to outdraw the Giants. But they have terrible ownership and Oakland doesn’t care about its sports teams. They should move.
Sunday Lasagna
Maybe rethink Baseball’s past. 70 years ago New York supported 3 teams (Yankees, Dodgers and Giants), Boston had two (Red Sox and Braves), Philadelphia had two (Athletics and Phillies), St Louis had two (Browns and Cardinals). Outside of owners greed in protecting fan territories, why not now? Why only LA, Chicago and NY with 2? Why can’t NY have 3 and all those named above have a 2nd team?
seamaholic 2
Because the economics have changed. Back in those days, revenue was virtually all gate receipts (plus some merchandise and hot dog sales), and these were pretty small businesses. Now they are worth multi-billion dollars apiece and the dominant line on the P&L is local TV revenue. Multi-team cities now only work in NYC, one of the last places where baseball is the #1 sport, and even there just barely. In Chicago the White Sox still can’t touch the Cubs financially, and same in L.A.
stymeedone
@tlogan
So the problem is not the size of the market, its the owners. Therefore move the team?! Will the same owners be better in a smaller market?
Bosox2013
That’s not true, The A’s have tried to relocate to other Bay Area city’s like San Jose but we’re basically blocked by the SF Giants whom hold territory rights over the region they also attempted to get stadium built in Fremont but Fremont residents were opposed. Oakland is literally the only location option the A’s have left in the Bay Area otherwise they are going to need to leave the state.
Orel Saxhiser
Generally speaking, the Expos drew well in their history, often in the top half of the National League. Things went downhill after the best team in franchise history missed out on a possible championship run due to the 1994 players’ strike. Soon after, management started selling off the team’s best players. The fans weren’t stupid and rightfully stopped supporting the team.
Regarding the A’s teardown strategy. without exception, every MLB team can afford to pay its stars. Some just choose not to. People can say what they want to about Scott Boras, but he is not wrong about teardowns being bad for the game. By doing one, you are giving fans a reason to explore other interests. In the case of the A’s, another teardown always seems to be around the corner. No wonder they can’t fill the ballpark. Fans don’t trust the organization.
Deadguy
They drafted and developed some of the best generational talents of the 90’s and 2000’s, the Expos picked up future hall of famer Pedro Martinez and helped him develop into the dominate starter we saw with the Red Sox when Dodger manager Tommy Lasorda said he would never have a future in MLB as a starter due to his size. Vladimir Guerrero, Larry Walker, both Hall of fame outfielders, someone eventually will bring baseball back to Montreal, and when that happens I hope for the people who lived through the heartbreak of 1994 that it is successful and they see a championship as soon as the Arizona Diamondbacks did, cause they got ripped off like nobody else ever has, or maybe ever will be…. Epic- Faith No More
stymeedone
Might have had a bit to do with how fast Olympic Stadium became outdated as new stadiums provided nicer amenities. Plus you had to worry about a piece of the stadium falling on you.
Cult of Dickie Thon
Expos moved for several reasons including the limited TV/radio deals vs US counterparts, Canadian dollar exchange rate, and the poor state of Olympic Stadium & lack of taxpayer funding to build a new one.
Montreal was and is will be a hockey team first and foremost especially among the French Canadian population.
xtraflamy
When the point of the exercise is to root for a team playing a game, it’s not fun watching a business be profitable, except for owners/shareholders, MBAs and other fans of capitalism.
I don’t know…the fans must need to use some major coping mechanisms to deal with their abandonment issues and enjoy the heck out of a player if they are at all good because they will be gone soon. I am sure it is similar to fans of minor league teams.
There is a reason MLB has sanctioned the A’s, and they aren’t given the same profit sharing and competitive balance that other “small market” teams are – MLB itself says the A’s are not playing fairly and not investing in their product.
iverbure
It’s hard enough to win in mlb to win but now entitled fans want their team to operate how they want the team to operate and keep the stars? The reason why the A’s have been competitive is by not listening to the fans and retooling. The hilarious part is all the simpleton fans want a salary cap. The salary cap makes player turnover more than a no cap league. Instead of trading a player because of salary reasons you trade him because he underperform one season because of the analytics and salary cap guru says to get rid of him. See nhl.
xtraflamy
Now do the NBA.
seamaholic 2
I love player turnover myself. I get bored watching the same players on my team year after year. Don’t know why sports fans get attached to certain individuals. Not like very many of them have sparkling personalities.
iverbure
The nba the sport with the worst parity? The main argument for a salary cap is parity and mlb has the best parity out of every league.
xtraflamy
You were holding forth about player turnover and trades and now you’ve switched to parity. Pick a lane.
iverbure
Don’t need to salary caps are horrible for the players and fans just stupid fans don’t know it.
The Saber-toothed Superfife
Baseball was invented by a bunch of woosies……
So… The current generation needs shrinks to cope with the mental anguish?
Really, dude?
It’s not fair? Really?
Who keeps.telling.our kids it’s ok to whine?
Deadguy
“Who keeps telling our kids its ok to whine?”
“I’m deep inside your children, they will betray you with my name!”
“Yes I know my enemies, there the teachers who taught me to fight me, compromise, conformity….”
I stand with 21 Curt Flood, speak up when you see something you don’t like. Anyone who tries to silence is guilty of lobbying against the interest of the people for the people by the people
shaft
The MLB itself….What an effed organization
Deadguy
I wonder how much of this would be avoidable if the city of Oakland and the team could get on the same damn page about a new stadium in Oakland before there last professional sports team leaves for a city who will
seamaholic 2
Maybe it’s not a priority for the city of Oakland? They seem to be doing just fine without the Raiders.
jekporkins
Define just fine. A city doesn’t NEED a team. It’s a nice-to-have to get people to spend money in town and acquire money from taxes. Frankly, Oakland is a really weak city. Nobody says “let’s go to Oakland for the weekend” or “Let’s hang out in Oakland.” Without sports teams there is even less reason to visit if any at all.
Better to just say goodbye to the A’s and move them because the ownership group doesn’t want to spend the money and Oakland’s politicians don’t want to pay. This dragging-things-on is so tired. It was tired five years ago. It was tired ten years ago.
Cosmo2
Doing fine? Did you expect a bridge to collapse cuz the football team left? How do you measure “doing fine” in this situation?
Bosox2013
“Oakland is a weak city” WTF does that even mean? You clearly haven’t been to Oakland. Go back to 4chan hater.
Cosmo2
Yep. I think it’s very much a stadium issue.
downsr30
Matt Chapman definitely seems like a Mets target to me…. And he seems like a guy that they’ll get and he’ll underperform for them.
So many of these teams like the Red Sox, Yankees and Mets should be targeting pitching, but they are seemingly fixated on these bats on the market.
rondon
I could see Hoyer going for Chapman. The Cubs have more depth in their system than people think and it would fit the idea that he may not spend big til next year. And they have a need at 3rd.
MetsFan22
I pray everyday that we don’t get Chapman. Baty will probably be a better hitter lol
Chipper Jones' illegitimate kid
How do you mange to have the worst takes in every post? It is a talent that I am beginning to admire.
Orel Saxhiser
It’s not a bad take. Chapman’s bat isn’t what some people think it is and, while he just won another Gold Glove, his fielding no longer matches its reputation. I would pass on both him and Kris Bryant for similar reasons. In my view, whichever teams wind up with these two players will be disappointed.
As for the Mets overall, if a team thinks it can contend by making numerous moves in one off-season, it’s not ready to contend. That describes the Mets to a tee. Since they’re a ways off from being a winner, they should focus on holding the fort until players like Baty are ready.
Chipper Jones' illegitimate kid
The take is bad not because he is discrediting Chapman’s bat, but because he said that a prospect will “probably be a better hitter.” The probability for almost all prospects is that they will not be a better hitter than what Chapman already is. Too many people expect prospects to just be good, when most actually aren’t.
Orel Saxhiser
Chapman is not a good hitter. If you’re the Mets, it’s all about the future, not the present. What would be the point of trading for Chapman?
By the way, every all-star and great player the game has ever seen was once a prospect. Winning teams and individual careers need to start somewhere.
Chipper Jones' illegitimate kid
Not true a lot of guys are non-prospects and turn into All-stars. Whit Merrifield, Jose Ramirez, Corey Kluber. These dudes were organizational guys that made adjustments and figured it out.
But staying on topic: Matt Chapman has a career wRC+ of 120. He had a horrible slump for the first half of the year and still managed a 101 wRC+ last season. He is a good hitter, and I’d expect him to be in the 110-120 wRC+ going forward.
Orel Saxhiser
I wouldn’t touch Chapman.
Maybe some A’s fans should chime in on him, along with Giants fans about Bryant.
iverbure
His bat will undoubtedly get better getting away from that stadium for half his games. Phillies probably need him the most given their defence issues but it will require another trade or a DH.
MetsFan22
Mets stadium is the worst
Metsin777
@Chipper Chapman is not a good hitter. Theres value in not striking out in every at bat. He may hit a homerun maybe 25 times a year if you are lucky. Theres a reason why Oakland could be seen batting him 7th a couple times in the year. Great hitters don’t bat 7th unless you are on the astros or dodgers
MLB Top 100 Commenter
You are both right to an extent. Chapman is a great fielder and a good but flawed hitter. Since the Mets are unlikely to be a true contender in 2022 they should build with cheap prospects like Baty (in those positions where they have them) who have a chance but not a guarantee of being very good (see Alex Bohm) which frees up money for other needs over the next two to three years as they target to becoming a top team.
jtango
I like the idea of trading Bohm for Chapman…
seamaholic 2
Presumably if they traded for Chapman Baty would be going the other way.
When it was a game.
100% they don’t have many good young players to spare and more then a 3rd baseman away from a pennant.
Johhos
Probably have to add a Medina and Moniak, but I could live with that. A’s did ok with Irvin.
Cosmo2
Baty has a growing track record though. Most prospects don’t fulfill expectations but that’s ALL prospects. It includes guys just drafted, guys who have disappointed in their minor league stint. Baty with his current resume has a good shot a being a good hitter and current Matt Chapman isn’t a high bar to climb.
mookiesboy
why would the Mets trade for a 3B when their three best prospects are all future 3Bs?
Chipper Jones' illegitimate kid
Because they are prospects.
Cosmo2
Man, Chipper, you’re very anti-prospect
jakec77
They would trade for Chapman for the next two seasons, at which point ideally one of the prospects would be ready to take over.
But only makes sense if they are trading from the major league roster (Dom Smith), and I don’t see a great fit from the A’s perspective, unless they are absolutely desperate to shed his salary.
A'sfaninUK
Beane would never send his good players to the Mets. He only sends players he has positive relationships with to contenders or situations where they can really shine. Chapman will only go to LAD, TB, SD or MIL.
AlienBob
Chapman is a depreciating asset. Due to the arbitration process he is likely to be assigned a value higher than his worth making him a bad contract to be holding. One solution would be for the Mariners to offer Oakland $10M in cash for Chapman. The A’s get out from under his $9,5M contract and reduce their spending by $20M allowing them to hang on to more valued players,
solaris602
That’s actually an excellent idea.
AlienBob
Chapman, could keep 3B warm in Seattle for two years until he hits free agency. Noelvi Marte, should be ready about that time. Everybody keeps their developing prospects. I think it is a win, win.
A'sfaninUK
That’s the most insane thing I’ve ever heard. No way MLB would let that happen. You must have just gotten into baseball because this isn’t even allowed – the A’s aren’t going to Wade Miley Matt Chapman and selling him off for money is going to get the MLBPA involved because that just never happens.
Also the strike is going to put a salary floor in place, so Oakland will be forced to spend anyway, might as well be on Chapman and Olson.
Get a clue. Massive L for Oakland, huge W for their…div rivals??? NEVER HAPPENING LOL
AlienBob
Putting a salary floor in place would lead to the sale of the A’s to out of town buyers, immediately. Fisher, would not want to bleed money in Oakland indefinitely. It would remove incentives Oakland pols might have to build a new ballpark by requiring a higher quality team without any taxpayer investment in a new building.
As for the sale of players, that is the Finley rule. The Commissioner can do whatever is “in the best interests of baseball. I would contend it would be in everyone’s best interest to allow the A’s to retain most of their players by selling one. Else, they will all be traded for prospects that are not ready for MLB. The A’s need to field a competitive product. That is in the best interests of the union, fans and the owners, Adding to their payroll flexibility does that.
seamaholic 2
They can get $10m in cash PLUS some prospects. Chapman’s only 28 and has two top 10 finishes in the AL MVP on his resume. You’re underestimating him vastly.
The best23
The Mets enter to the chat
Milwaukee-2208
No, he doesn’t wanna be your POBO either
BobGibsonFan
Why not the red sox? Devers is terrible defensively. Move him to first. He played some at second, maybe try him there.
Right handed power and gold glove defense at third? Tailor made for Boston.
Deleted_User
LOL
Freddie Morales
Mets have by far the biggest need and opening at the position but I think they will turn to free agency for their needs and try to trade MLB pieces for someone like Buxton
Mystery Team
I’d take him in a second. That glove is a black hole at third, no one better and his bat will be back. Plus Olson is gonna end up in New York he screams Yankees to me. I look at him and his game and I think Yankees all day. It’s gonna be a rough season for the A’s.
misterlol
Lol
A'sfaninUK
“He screams Yankees to me” yeah but the real Yankees wont trade Dominguez for him, so he’s NEVER going to play on the Yankees! See how REALITY works? You Yankees fans with 1 ring in 21 years should join it sometime!
Yankee-4-Lifer 75
@A’sfaninUK- no interest in Chapman for the Yankees. Olsen does though. Luke Voit, Oswald Peraza, Deivi Garcia, and Michael King likely gets that done. If that isn’t enough, the Yanks will just re-sign Anthony Rizzo for a few years instead. It would be a great trade for both teams to make.
A'sfaninUK
No, it wouldnt, and Im so sick of Yankees fans telling me Jorge Mateo and Dustin Fowler are “untouchable” in a Sonny Gray trade, then not only does it happen, but both are AAAA when Yankees fans wrote 8 billion words about how they’re future stars.
No team should ever trade for NYY prospects, they are simply all massively overrated by the default of too many fans overvaluing prospects on some truly lame and useless homerism.
Yankee-4-Lifer 75
@A’sfaninUK- Oh please stop! Your acting like Sonny Gray was some life’s prize? Lol. He sucked as a Yankee from day 1.
BobGibsonFan
Sonny Gray needs a defense behind him. He didnt have one with the yankees.
Yankee-4-Lifer 75
@BobGibsonFan- He couldn’t pitch in NY, plain and simple. The Yankees wanted him to throw his slider like Tanaka’s. And he couldn’t throw it for strikes and he kept falling behind batters, so he got lit up all the time. Sonny can’t handle any kind of pressure either. He is definitely not a big game pitcher. And Gray pitches more effectively in bigger stadiums like Oakland and San Francisco. He could be a better pitcher if he was traded to the Dodgers. No pressure in Cincinnati at all. He is best out there.
Joe says...
You As fans with one ring in 32 years should not bring up ring droughts. It shows a lack of self awareness.
A'sfaninUK
I’m not acting like the A’s are better than anyone or overvaluing the A’s prospects – huge difference. I know when we suck, you don’t know the Yankees actually suck now.
Yankees fans arrogance in their own stupidity in arguing about the terrible prospects who ALWAYS flame out in MLB is what Im talking about here. Yall dont even know what a WS winning team even looks like anymore, yall still being stupid getting stuck on big names to bail you out – Olson and Chapman combined aint getting you a title.
canajay12
Not interested in giving up Pearson, Groshans or Moreno from the jays. We’ve got the money to find a 3B or 2B and keep our top end prospects. Having those cheap contracts to come up and supplement the big league squad are going to be crucial when Vlad and Bo get paid.
Shawn McLaughlin 2
Agreed. No one is giving up Moreno. Kirk would be much more likely..
bobtillman
I can’t believe the 3B-needy Orioles weren’t mentioned.
solaris602
I think you’re the first to even mention the O’s this winter. Looking forward to reading about their offseason plans. I have no idea where they are in their rebuilding process.
bobtillman
Neither do they.
Cult of Dickie Thon
Lose 95+ games, enjoy strong attendance when the Red Sox and Yankees fans fill Camden Yards, and take profits.
Pirates are far and away the most egregious team at doing this though on an annual basis. Nutting is more than happy to collect large annual profits to fund his other much less profitable endeavors especially in news media.
lambeau gang
I’m a bit confused why the Brewers aren’t mentioned as a possibility, when they seem to be a perfect landing spot for Chapman. With Urias coming off of a breakout offensive season, yet lacking a defensive home in MKE, I’d think that Urias, one of Houser/Ethan Small and potentially one of Corey Ray/Tristan Lutz would definitely give both the Brewers and A’s what they’re looking for.
Chipper Jones' illegitimate kid
Could Urias’s defensive home just be 3B?
mlbnyyfan
Why can’t Yankees get both Chapman and Olson. I’d consider a package of both Dominguez and Volpe among others to get both.
A'sfaninUK
Dominguez has to be in any package for either Chapman or Olson.
Yankees will never trade Dominguez.
Yankees fans at some point have to realize just because they act like bullies online to other fans for no reason (1 ring in the last 21 years) doesn’t mean MLB GM’s will accept whatever trash prospects they have to trade with open arms.
Yankees simply do not have any decent chips outside of Dominguez, who they wont trade, so stop talking about Chapman and Olson. A’s would rather trade with literally dozens of teams with superior farms.
Chipper Jones' illegitimate kid
Anthony Volpe, Oswaldo Pereza, and even Austin Wells should all be guys that get the A’s attention in the Yanks farm system.
Yankee-4-Lifer 75
mlbnyyfan- no brother, that is way too much! We have Gio no need for Chapman let him go elsewhere. Voit, Peraza, Deivi, Michael King for Olsen seems fair enough. If no then we re-sign Rizzo for 2 years instead of trading for Olsen. Then we can offer a package for Luis Castillo on the Reds. Dominguez and Volpe will not be traded. That’s a fact.
Joe says...
Dominguez is the only name some of them know, so that’s the one they go with.
Kemajic
The NYYs are very interested in Olson, but not in Chapman.
iverbure
Ummm volpe has more value than Dominguez and has more value than Olson so Dominguez definitely doesn’t have to be in a trade for either. According to baseball trade values the Yankees got a bunch of guys in the 10-5 value range that I’m sure the A’s would take to reload.
Shawn McLaughlin 2
I don’t think he was saying all three. Just suggesting that any of those three were names the A’s would be interested in.
Darryl Rose
Not that I think the Yankees would pursue Chapman because they have other priorities and limited resources but to be very clear in no way does Urshela compare to Chapman.
Arenado and Chapman are comparable to the great Brooks Robinson in terms of defense. Chapman is ridiculous defensively. Urshela is fine. That’s a huge difference.
lambeau gang
You see, I’d love the Brewers to stick with Urias at 3rd. I watched him play there in 2020 and this past year and he seemed just fine to me. But for whatever reason, he hasn’t been given a legitimate chance to be an everyday player yet. It’s a matter of how Stearns/Arnold builds the roster and how Counsell wants to pencil in the starting lineups. Trades for Adames and Escobar not only took away Urias’ starting opportunities, but they signal a lack of faith in a young player. If the situation in Oakland is truly a “firesale” of sorts, Urias is the perfect player for them to target — a young, budding star who just needs a consistent role without the pressure of contention. The A’s give him exactly that, and I think they’ll be rewarded for their patience.
A'sfaninUK
I agree with your logic, if the A’s truly are tearing it down this offseason (which is not a given) then yes, Urias should be coming back in a deal. They kind of did that with Brett Lawrie though, so maybe Beane is looking for someone more like CJ Abrams.
augold5
Ehh, Olson is a better fit than Chapman. Most of Urias’ defensive struggles were at SS, he actually did fine at 3B. His best defensive home is 2B, but Wong is there. Trading Urias plus a top prospect for Chapman would be borderline insane. Now for Olson a combo of Hiura/Small/Ray and a lotto ticket could be intriguing for both teams
lambeau gang
Hiura has no value on his current club, let alone a club that already houses two silver sluggers in Chapman and Olson. I love Hiura but he hasn’t been able to rediscover his top prospect potential at the big league level since before the pandemic. You’re not gonna acquire an elite player by only giving up damaged goods (that goes for Ray as well)…
Clif
That is just way too much for Chapman. No way the Brewers make that trade. Urias alone is too much for Chapman. Urias plays all over the infield and is controlled until 2026 and Chapman only until 2024. Plus Urias has more upside as a hitter when comparing the ages of the two players. Urias is only 24 and Chapman is 28. Yes, Chapman may be a little better defensively, but Urias issue is not defense, it is throwing. He air mails a throw from time to time. He makes all of the plays that Chapman makes, but throws some of them away. To throw in Houser and a Corey Ray/Tristain Lutz is such a joke. The Brewers would never make that trade, and the A’s would be stupid not to except the trade you are proposing. The Brewers will not trade Urias period, period, period. The Brewers do not have a need for a 3rd baseman who has hit .249, .232, and .210 last year. They need a 1st baseman. If they traded for Matt Olson, then yes they are going to have to give up some talent like Houser or Ethan Small, Ray or Lutz, Teliz, and probably another prospect. Urias will not be in that trade either.
A'sfaninUK
“Urias alone is too much for Chapman.”
Tell me you overrate your fave teams players without telling me you overrate your fave teams players.
Chapman isn’t “a little better” he’s the best defensive 3B since Brooks Robinson, dont you EVER disrespect him again. Watch some games for once and stop looking like the biggest idiot ever on here smh
ohyeadam
Don’t disrespect the GOAT Beltre like that ever again
Kemajic
Brooks Robinson never struck out 36% of the time.
A'sfaninUK
No one cares about strikeouts anymore, grow up.
A'sfaninUK
Chapman takes a dump on Adrian defensively, and Beltre was a stud out there.
Chapman just different, He’s better than Brooks at defense, period. He’s #1 all-time.
lambeau gang
Urias alone (who has just a couple of years of service time and is still developing as a big leaguer) will NOT fetch Chapman, a gold-glove wizard and former silver slugger who already has a elite track record. Admittedly I also believe my proposal was a bit of an overpay (I hate it when certain users overhype their own players/prospects as expect just one to get the job done) but you also have to consider the trade from the other perspective. What’s the incentive for the A’s to part with perhaps their best player? That goes for Olson too, as you said. Like any good trade proposal, you have to give up something good to get something good. Finding the right balance of those two things in a match is key.
augold5
Money
augold5
Brewers are not trading a 24yo for a 28yo who they out-produced, just for improved defense. Thats not even considering how much more Chapman will cost financially than Urias.
augold5
Urias: 490PA, .249/.345/.445, 23HR, 5SB, 75RBI, .940 F%, 3.1 WAR
Chapman: 622PA, .210/.314/.403, 27HR, 3SB, .987 F%, 3.5 WAR
With Urias being cheaper and 4 years younger I thinks most clubs would prefer Urias over Chapman
bkwalker510
the difference is that’s probably Urias’ ceiling and that is Chapman’s floor
Orel Saxhiser
Why would you think that’s Urias’ ceiling? He doesn’t turn 25 until June 3 and is four years younger than Chapman. Urias hasn’t even entered what would be considered his prime.
augold5
Urias ceiling? at 24 and was once considered a top 20 prospect in the game. Lol ok
richt
Was thinking the same thing. Urias isn’t a true 3B anyway.
IjustloveBaseball
Chapman’s defense gives him a nice floor in terms of value. However, it seems worth the risk holding onto him in hopes that his offense ticks back up in time to be flipped at the deadline.
Given pieces like Olson, Manaea, Bassitt, etc. could be moved, I don’t see trading Chappy this offseason as necessary — unless of course a team overpays.
A'sfaninUK
Literally all of these “options” seem so forced, just like this trade idea. Mariners aren’t trading Kelenic and/or Rodriguez for Chapman, and the A’s aren’t trading superstars within their division. The only one I can squint and see is the Marlins, as they have the right trade pieces, but they aren’t probably a Chapman away from winning the WS, so whats the point of this?
He literally said “We have to listen and be open to whatever comes out of this.” but what if nothing comes from it? The A’s have more of a contender in place than 90% of the league right now, this “A’s have to tear down” narrative came from nowhere. Melvin was making $4M a year and wasn’t winning them a title, him leaving because he thinks the Padres with Tatis have more of a shot of getting to the WS means absolutely nothing to the A’s 2022 season. Diekman was trash all year and not worth $4M either.
I’m open to the A’s making trades, but all teams overvalue their prospects now, so trading elite level MVP ceiling guys for scraps seems like the worst possible option ever, and one MLB will not allow. Especially with Chapman losing half his year offensively to his hip surgery taking 18 months for the bat to come around (but only 6-12 for defense), his value is too low to move now. I’d rather do one last run to the WS in 2022 and THEN blow it up. Or trade at the deadline when teams get more desperate.
bkwalker510
agreed. Chapman and Laureano both will be A’s in 2022 and flipped at the deadline if anything
iverbure
Olson is a goner and Bassit is probably gone as well.
seamaholic 2
This. The A’s aren’t sunk because they, at this moment, aren’t any good and have to trade Olson and Chapman. They’re sunk because they have a huge arbitration class and several key free agents. The run is over. They can’t afford to keep the band together. But I agree that it’s not a given they trade Chapman or Olson. They certainly don’t have to. But they might because they are rebuilding for a couple years from now.
bkwalker510
Olson Montas Bassitt and Manaea should all be dealt, I agree. Let Chapman and Laureano rebuild value and flip them at the deadline.
I’d even consider trading Murphy this off season if you get the right package for him.
bkwalker510
i can say with 100% certainty that i have a better shot of being acquired by the A’s than Jesus Luzardo. there’s absolutely no way he plays for the A’s ever again
Devlsh
This strikes me as a situation where the Yankees take advantage of the A’s financial plight and toss over a bunch of flotsam and get back Chapman AND one of the A’s SPs. I’m an outsider, but it seems there have been plenty of these deals in which the A’s ended up with failed prospects in return for major league talent.
bkwalker510
that’s not gonna happen lol
sgord03
Time for the A’s to relocate.
Yankee-4-Lifer 75
@sgordo3- like 5 years too late. The Rays should relocate to Montreal. The fan base is starving for baseball there again.
Yankee-4-Lifer 75
Luke Voit in a package for Olsen is plenty fair. Oakland gets another year of control with Voit. Peraza has star written all over him as a shortstop. Deivi is a good prospect coming off a down year, he likely will bounce back though. And Michael King is a nice power arm for the bullpen. Chapman is a nice player. But Yankees are fine with Urshela’s defense at 3rd and his offense is good enough. Everson Pereira is a center fielder that would interest the A’s also.
bkwalker510
A’s don’t need Voit
Yankee-4-Lifer 75
@bkwalker510- Voit definitely has the power for that big ballpark. The A’s would be getting a lot more then just him for Olsen also. Peraza is a top prospect and plays a great defense at shortstop.
bkwalker510
why do they want/need Voit when they’re ranking and can put Seth Brown at first for league minimum? it makes zero sense from Oakland’s perspective
bkwalker510
*tanking not ranking
Yankee-4-Lifer 75
@bkwalker510- Voit can dh and play some lst. He is a really good player with power. You would root for him for sure. Good guy.
junkmale
Yikes. Someone thinks Voit’s COVID season was serious. Olson’s three years younger, a better hitter, a far superior glove, and his WAR last season is a full point higher than Voit’s career WAR.
iverbure
Voit makes over 5 million. The A’s primary reason for trading Olson is because of money. Taking back Voits money probably isn’t ideal for the A’s
seamaholic 2
Fairness is in the eye of the beholder, I suppose. But what’s far more important is if another team offers more for Olson than Luke Voit. Which I would suggest about 20 teams would.
A'sfaninUK
The Yankees are a total joke of a matchup in an Olson trade, either put Dominguez on the table or get over it, you will never get Olson. Sick of this delusion – you clowns have ONE title in the last 21 years, you cant bully people anymore, youre irrelevant.
Yankee-4-Lifer 75
@A’sfaninUK- maybe your A’s like you should move so they can become more Relevant. Just an idea.
drewnats33
How about the Nats? Change-of-scenery candidates Kieboom and Robles might interest the cost-cutting A’s. The A’s will need a 3b and a CF with Marte leaving.
For all those years of control, maybe the Nats could get Chapman and an arm in a package deal.
seamaholic 2
Just because a team is in need of cost cutting doesn’t mean one team (say, MY TEAM!!!) can just swoop in and offer nothing to take the contract off their hands. There are 28 other teams, and guys like Chapman and Olson are valuable. There would be a bidding war.
Asfan0780
Ramon laure@no is their cf pending trade and suspension going into a month of next season. Robles is already on his 1st yr arby, with 3 yrs of control. He’s been a putrid hitter since 2020 shortened season.
morebreakdowns
Mets make a lot of sense, build a trade around davis/Smith and vientos/baty
TennVol
Lots of good fits for Chapman and the other A’s players. I like the fit with Toronto best though for what the Jays need and what they have to trade. As a Jays fan, I would not trade either Moreno or Martinez for anyone outside of a package for a Ace type pitcher. Everyone else is available though and the Jays have a pretty good minor league system. I could see a trade of Kirk, Groshans, and a couple other prospects in the 5-10 range for Chapman and Montas.
iverbure
Why would the A’s want Kirk? You typically don’t make trades and acquire another player just to trade him again.
Kirk should probably be used as the centre piece to bring back a SP. Kirk to Marlins maybe?
Col_chestbridge
I think Olson is a far more likely target, and the team that should absolutely be hottest on him is Cleveland. The Guardians currently have a massive Rule V crunch, they need to offload some prospects or risk losing them for nothing. Best way to do that is to buy someone like Olson.
Something like Bobby Bradley, Jose Tena, Joey Cantillo, and Nolan Jones (who could later replace Chapman) would serve to both free up some 40 man space, while massively upgrading 1B. Oakland would get a 1B that’s worse but controlled longer and has upside, and 3 near ready prospects.
Asfan0780
Wait, so because the Indians have a rule 5 roster crunch, the A’s will be put in that same situation trading for those players. That will require multiple 40 man roster spots. So basically, you’re suggesting A’s trade their best trade chip that has 2 yrs of control for spare parts, how nice of you. Meanwhile if theyr3 rebuilding, they.l burning up the minor league options for those players
A'sfaninUK
There’s at least a dozen teams who can easily best that offer. No one wants Bobby Bradley man, smh
AHH-Rox
Can’t see the Rockies trading for 2 years of a moderately expensive player when there’s no way they’re contending in 2022. They should be accumulating young talent, not trading it away.
seamaholic 2
Agreed. Money isn’t the issue for the Rockies. But they have a slightly less good version of Chapman in McMahon already, plus their two best upper minors prospects are 3B.
jcamhou
I think the Red Sox should be in on it as well. Acquiring Chapman would allow Devers to move to first where he profiles best. Red Sox have the prospects to make it happen and potentially get Chris Bassitt in return as well.
rocky7
You can dream on….. if you think the Sox have the prospects to pick up Chapman,…why not dream that the A’s would include Bassitt as well.
Rsox
The Sox would have to include a third team just to buy prospects. Devers is not leaving 3B, and if for whatever reason the Sox decide to move him to 1B both Dalbec and Casas can also play 3B
Kemajic
The NYYs should be very low on this list. Gio Ursela is a great 3Bman and they have no plans moving him to SS for 2022; their target will be Corey Seager.. The prize they would like to land from Oakland is Matt Olson, who would be a perfect fit at 1B. If not, LeMahieu to IB.
Central Valley
Farhan Zaidi is already on the phone. Chapman will be a Giant.
seamaholic 2
Yes, that’s a very real possibility.
Devlsh
Something we should all keep in mind when it comes to the Mets: There’s no one home. No Gm, no manager, no staff…I can’t see that they’re in a position to make any significant moves when they have so many internal positions to fill.
bobtillman
Not really. Larry, Moe and Curly take turns answering the phone.
inkstainedscribe
If the Braves can’t keep Freeman (please no!), Chapman or Olson should be on their radar. Riley could move to 1B if Chapman is the target, Olson could be the guy otherwise. Hope neither is a possibility.
A'sfaninUK
Atlanta has no trade pieces to acquire either of them, let it go.
MLB Top 100 Commenter
Atlanta has ready made trade pieces. If Freeman signs elsewhere (and I think 90 percent he is back with the Atlanta ball club), Atlanta could trade Ian Anderson and Jacob Webb for Olson and Chapman. Anderson is an exciting super cheap pitcher. Olson plays 1st, Chapman 3rd, Riley is DH and plays 1st or 3B to spell the others. Cheaper for Atlanta than Freeman. But again, I expect Freeman to go back to Atlanta in which case Ian Anderson stays put.
iverbure
The braves aren’t trading Ian Anderson. The A’s are shedding salary. They probably aren’t interested in guys that are a year away from arb. They’ll want guys whose service time hasn’t started yet.
etex211
The fans in Oakland don’t support that team. Why are they considering any future that includes them staying in the Oakland area? They will NEVER compete financially in Oakland.
iverbure
Teams don’t need to compete financially. See the rays and A’s.
A'sfaninUK
They literally always turn a profit. Try again.
The Bay Area has enough fans and economy to support 3 MLB teams, and the Rays should move to SJ so they can pair with the Sharks. SJ has more money and people than SF+OAK combined.
towinagain
Trying to figure out a way to get Olson to SD. Not likely but would be nice
stymeedone
Why not offer Hosmer and Myers for him? Face it, as long as those two are in SD, they won’t be trading for a 1B.
MLB Top 100 Commenter
Matt Olsen to Dodgers for Gavin Lux and Miguel Vargas, except that I think one of those guys may go to Reds for a SP.
stymeedone
So you only want half of Matt Olsen?
MLB Top 100 Commenter
I think that the Dodgers will either acquire a frontline starter via trade or Olson, but not both.
geoffb1982
As long as he’s gone and not Olson, I’m ok with getting a bag of seeds for the strikeout machine known as Matt Chapman
Cult of Dickie Thon
It is clear the Phils are going to start Bohm at 3B next year again. It is why they hired Dickerson as their infield coach. He’ll work with Bohm this offseason to improve his inconsistent throwing accuracy and bad footwork.
Cult of Dickie Thon
If the A’s are going to trade Chapman, they should go full fire-sale mode. I just don’t see how they get that accomplished with the pending lockout on 12/2.
Terrible season to try to accomplish that goal.
prov356
Being an As fan must be more frustrating than being an Angels fan.
Rsox
Cue the New York faithful offering Frazier and Andujar from the Bronx and J.D. Davis and either Nimmo or Smith from Queens
Patrick Tracey
Hoping the A’s target lots of A and AA prospects, as opposed to young mlb’ers
StudWinfield
Chapman is not a star player. He’s an elite fielder with an average power bat who does not hit higher than 6th on a good team. Olson is the premier asset.
Mjm117
Pablo, Dax Fulton, Lewin Diaz, & Isan for Chapman and Olson should get it done.
Sign Marte
Sign Jansen / or trade for a proven closer
C-?
1B – Olson
2B – Jazz/ FA
3B – Chapman
SS – Rojas/Jazz
LF – Sanchez
CF – Marte
RF – Anderson
Pending items:
Catcher- Stallings or Contreras
Starting middle infielder / 2B or SS – Chris Taylor
1 LH BP
1 RH BP
Marlins have the resources to add the above and more. No more excuses
iverbure
Did all those things happen in mlb the show? Back to reality for you.
Cosmo2
Yea those proposals might not even work on Nintendo.
A'sfaninUK
Lewin Diaz sucks bro gunna need like 5 of those Marlins pitchers including Luzardo.
Stevil
I’m not about to read through this barrage of comments, so if someone else beat me to this, so be it, but Milwaukee should be on the list of feasible destinations.
augold5
Olson makes more sense of the Brewers are going to unload prospects for a A’s player
MartialArtisan
Well I’m not about to read your comment so…oh wait…D’oh!
Ignorant Son-of-a-b
What great, thorough piece…thanks Darragh
texasbug
The Astros could use Matt Chapman in a trade.The Astros could trade some of their bullpen pitchers for Chapman..The Astros put Matt Chapman at 3B and put Alex Bergman at SS.
Rsox
The Astros have already said that even if Correa leaves Bregman will not be the SS. Rarely do teams trade within their same division and i really doubt the A’s want to see Chapman 18 times next season
A'sfaninUK
Only trade the A’s will accept that is fair for both sides:
Olson, Chapman and Laureano (PTBNL) for Jasson Dominguez, Gleyber Torres, Gio Urshela, Luke Voit, Deivi Garcia, Anthony Volpe, Luis Gil and Trey Sweeney.
This move actually does line up on value, but Oakland might want 2-3 more from the Yankees top 15 prospects lists.
jessaumodesto
Wonder if the A’s will hire a manager this year
dmarcus15
Oakland, Pittsburg, and Colorado ownership should be forced to sell and find a city that can support the team and not s farm system for bigger market teams. Mexico City, Montreal and Las Vegas would be great sites.