NOVEMBER 1: The Red Sox are expected to grant Ferreira permission to interview with the Mets, assuming she’s interested in doing so, reports Jon Heyman of the MLB Network (on Twitter).
OCTOBER 30, 1:23PM: Brewers VP of baseball operations Matt Kleine is another candidate the Mets have discussed, as per Martino (Twitter link). With both Kleine and Rodriguez, however, the Mets are wary about approaching the Brewers and Rays since both teams have repeatedly denied New York’s requests to interview other front office personnel in the past. Kleine is believed to be interested, and his hiring could help set the stage for the Mets to land Stearns as a free agent a year from now (or after the 2023 season, depending on the reported vesting option in Stearns’ deal with Milwaukee).
OCTOBER 30, 8:05AM: The Mets’ attempts to hire a new president of baseball operations or general manager has hit its share of roadblocks, and Dodgers assistant GM Jeff Kingston is the latest executive to decline an interview with the team, according to The New York Post’s Mike Puma. However, several other prospective candidates remain, as it seems as though the Mets now could be specifically looking for a general manager, rather than someone to fully take the entire reigns of the baseball ops department.
To this end, Puma writes Rays VP of player development Carlos Rodriguez, and assistant GMs Daniel Adler (Twins), Randy Flores (Cardinals), and Ben Sestanovich (Braves) are all “on the Mets’ radar” as possible candidates. The Mets have also asked the Red Sox for permission to speak with assistant GM Raquel Ferreira, SNY’s Andy Martino reports.
Any of these five executives would be a first-time GM, and ostensibly in charge of the baseball operations department even without the official “president” label. The unusual nature of the Mets’ front office dynamic has led to some questions about how much authority a new GM would have, as team president Sandy Alderson is remaining with the club and has said he’ll be shifting over to focusing on the team’s business matters once a new baseball ops head is in place.
Had Mets owner Steve Cohen been successful in luring one of his big-ticket initial targets (i.e. Billy Beane, Theo Epstein, David Stearns) to New York, it would’ve made for a smoother transition, as any of those execs would’ve been the PBO and had the sway to make their own choice for a general manager to act as their chief lieutenant. However, it is perhaps understandable why Kingston and others have opted out of what could be considered as something of a glorified one-year trial period. If the Mets play well in 2022, a newly-hired GM could be entrusted to become the president of baseball operations; if the Mets struggle, Cohen could resume his search for a major name as PBO, leaving the general manager as perhaps something of a lame duck.
Cardinals GM Michael Girsch, Giants GM Scott Harris, newly-promoted Brewers GM Matt Arnold, and another Dodgers assistant in Brandon Gomes have all declined to be considered for the Mets’ job. For the five names mentioned by Puma and Martino, it is possible any of the Rays, Twins, Cardinals, Braves, or Red Sox could deny New York permission to interview their personnel, though teams usually don’t stand in the way of their executives being offered a promotion.
Kingston technically has experience as a general manager, as he served as the Mariners’ interim GM for the last month-plus of the 2015 season after Jack Zduriencik was fired. Kingston has worked as an assistant GM for the last six seasons (three with the Mariners, three with the Dodgers) and he has been considered for other front office openings in recent years. The Phillies and Angels each had interest in Kingston for their most recent GM vacancies, and Kingston was a finalist for the Angels’ position before the team hired Perry Minasian.
Ted
Dear Mets: Please hire a PBO and GM so people can stop the awful “X declined an interview with the Mets” jokes on every freaking story here.
bloomquist4hof
It doesn’t help that they actually are declining the interview
The Mets "Missed WAR"
The Braves won’t deny Sestanovich unless he turns it down himself. As a rule AA never blocks someone from a potential promotion.
averagejoe15
I’ve read that the Mets GM role isn’t technically a promotion for an AGM because the reporting structure for the Mets GM slot has two superiors (POBO and Sandy) just like an AGM has (GM and POBO) in a typical front office.
Sunday Lasagna
Top 5 Reasons for the jokes, #5 because most people don’t realize that corporations in every business hire recruiters to poach executives from other companies, and for every person who agrees to interview, numerous other candidates choose to not interview. It’s totally normal. #4 because cynical people get high on inciting reactions. #3 because the media (not MLBTR,) actually encourages the negativity that leads to the jokes, negativity and controversy gets readership #2 because they can and #1….because they are Yankee fans who just can’t stand they have to keep Brian Cashman and need to lash out at the Mets to keep introspective anger at bay.
The Mets "Missed WAR"
@ProfessorFalken: You forgot reason #6: Some Mets fans (not all, mind you, but I think we can all admit at least some) in this site wildly overestimated, over exaggerated and flat out over hyped what Steve Cohen’s ownership and large bank account would do for the Mets. People all over the media did as well. That being immediately followed by Cohen making a slew of embarrassingly terrible front office hires and having an underwhelming season is just plain funny. Any time people have to listen to someone go on and on for months about how great something is going to be and then they end up with pie in their face because everything went so poorly it’s actually pretty hilarious. Extreme overconfidence followed by a swift hard reality check has always been a big part of both worldwide and American humor.
StudWinfield
@ProfFalken, Or some of the jokes are just, ya’ know, funny. What is funny is laying down a a personal criticism in #4 and then display that exact behavior in #1. Some might call that, ya’ know, hypocrisy.
Sunday Lasagna
You are correct. Updated #1, because we forget that New York is a stage, and on that stage a new, rich, MLB owner can immediately create front office controversy by bringing in his own guy even though he promised the incumbent full reign, force the players to shave, get suspended for illegal campaign contributions, spend lavishly on free agents, go through 23 managers and 11 GM’s, make outrageous statements about the players and front office to the press, get suspended again for associating with a gambler, but despite all this, was reknowned and loved by many. I would tell all Mets fans to be patient and ignore the jokes. As a fan of a team that poached an executive just as the Mets are doing, it’s a good strategy.
StudWinfield
I would venture to say that most fans who followed the team during George’s time find him as much a mixed bag as anyone else. His antics served him well early on in reigniting the franchise but by the 80’s everything he did was a complete distraction for the team other than his continued willingness to spend. Many would agree that his behaviors (of which you listed many) had little to no positive impact on the team.
The Mets "Missed WAR"
You forgot to mention he was a convicted felon. On a different note I watched War Games the other day. Falken’s Maze.
Yankee Clipper
I’m not sure what’s worse…. That George was a convicted felon, or that Cohen should be and has not been prosecuted…. Yet.
Sunday Lasagna
The Yankees won the WS in George’s 4th and 5th seasons in 1977 and 1978.. I am reasonably confident that Mets fans won’t care what Cohen has done, is doing, or will do if they get WS Championships in 2024 and 2025.
The Mets "Missed WAR"
Maybe you’re right. That won’t happen though so it doesn’t matter. Cohen has shown zero ability to build an MLB caliber front office or anything more than a middling team. With 30 teams trying to win it all every year there is no reason to believe a team like the Mets are in line to win any of the next 4. You might as well be saying the same thing about the Angels, Mariners, Tigers, Twins, Royals, Blue Jays, Reds, Phillies, Nationals and Marlins. They can’t all do it and that doesn’t even include the teams that have the best chance.
Sunday Lasagna
@the Mets “missed war”, the Blue Jays do not belong in that group, they are a loaded team with or without Marcus Semian & Robbie Ray. They will contend for a World Series title in the near future.
StudWinfield
Bad news is X declined to interview for Mets pobo. The good news is Cohen has 25 other candidates to consider.
GASoxFan
Latest news on the Mets search efforts hint theyre looking at Scandinavian candidates.
Supposedly a guy named D. Umster-Fyre has become prominent in the process.
dugmet
Omar Minaya.
Al Hirschen
Mets should give the keys to Kim Ng and make her head of POBO. The Marlins can’t say no . Bad press,Manfred can’t say no.She’ll be the first woman to run the HOLE baseball ops in MLB
Al Hirschen
I do find it odd that Steve Cohen and Chris Christie are the ones doing the search now.
bucsfan0004
Contrary to what was reported on this site, it was Cohen leading the search the whole time. Not Alderson.
vtadave
The Bobs to Alderson: “So, what would you say you do here”.
Samuel
About these daily articles……
Move on.
The anger from the fans as well as the jokes are getting old.
Let us know if someone is interviewing.
getrealgone2
You’re right. Tim should contact you first to see what stories they should run
itstimefordodgersbaseball
Lol Just cause your a Mets fan and it hurts your feelings no one wants to run your team doesn’t mean other people don’t find it interesting. It actually is pretty funny IMO
Cosmo2
Plenty of folks want to run the Mets, they are just stupidly going after all the unlikely candidates. Personally I don’t care WHO runs the team, I care HOW they run it.
Mystery Team
I heard that Barney the purple dinosaur is interviewing for the GM job on Monday. He’ll probably turn it down as well but he’ll at least hear them out.
bobtillman
RUDY GUILIANNI..
Done
Al Hirschen
This team doesn’t even run now. You only one in this organization I will run will be Giuliani’s hair color
Yankee Clipper
At least he will clean up the criminals on that team. Lindor would be prosecuted for theft of $330MM.
rondon
This is not a new take, but while some of the more experienced names mentioned may not want to deal with the Alderson/Cohen/NY press dynamic, it seems like one of the younger guys would embrace the challenge. If you succeed you’re a hero and if not, you’ve still taken a big learning step in a very challenging market.
darkstar61
Whoever the person is, they’re going to be relentlessly labeled and attacked by the fans and media before next season ever starts based off what needs to happen with the current team. Expectations are completely out of whack with reality
The situation is going to pretty similar to the one Miami saw when new ownership took over, just with a dramatically more heightened NY fanbase and media
Can a less experienced be trusted to juggle the unusual team situation, and appease multiple micromanagers above them, all while finding a way to walk the tight rope publicly without ruining their future chances in other organizations?
It’s a situation primed for failure as far as I see it
Cosmo2
If the new person is in charge has to deal with micromanaging from above, it’s all doomed no matter who is at the helm. I don’t think she or experience matters there. What’s needed is a sound plan, who is in charge of implementing it doesn’t matter as much as people think.
rondon
I don’t think one of the younger candidates would be permanently scarred if it didn’t work out. I think the league knows what goes on there and might actually admire a young guy for even taking it on.
bloomquist4hof
We’ll end up with “Metsfan22 declined an interview…” before this is over.
Alderson is pretty obviously a big part of why no one seems to want this. A POBO in name only job probably isn’t as attractive as they hope, glorified assistant gm job.
The Saber-toothed Superfife
He’ll get injured. Injuries always hurt, especially the Mets.
Timothy Frith
Once the 2021 World Series concludes, the Mets will hire Braves assistant general manager Ben Sestanovich to be their new president of baseball operations and general manager.
Chief Two Hands
The Mets are a train wreck of an organization, and that is common knowledge.
Mystery Team
Mets gonna Met Chief.
Cosmo2
They were in the WS six years ago so still better off than most teams. But whatever floats yer boat.
Metsfan-22
There is league-wide collusion against the Mets. They are just jealous of how financially powerful Steve Cohen should be. Manfred needs to investigate this!
getright11
Knockoff MetsFan22
DarkSide830
spoof account
bucsfan0004
Nobody liked him on Wall St either. Now he’s a dick with a twitter account who’s going to second-guess the PBO’s decisions. No thanks.
MetsFan22
Ik you’re being sarcastic but that’s definitely one of the reasons why some teams don’t allow the interview “cough” Brewers. We have a lot of money and they don’t really have a lot. They are looking for very advantage…
tstats
You don’t put quotations around sounds it’s asterisks ie. *cough*
MetsFan22
Lol thanks. But Ik that already. I was in special ace studies growing up. I would know how to spell.
sfes
Good god you’re either a troll or a living meme. I admire your brave innocent ignorance though. Takes a special kinda guy.
MarlinsFanBase
I agree with @sfes! @MetsFan22 is special.
Phanatic 2022
I was “ special something” when I was “younger” “cough”
Bud Selig Fan
No just sick of being taken advantage of. The small-markets take the chance on the young, inexperienced underling, and when they hit, the large-markets poach. Same with FA’s. Large-markets just sign the developed from the Small and mid-markets. Attanasio has had ENOUGH of this crap.
StudWinfield
TAM,KC,MIN,SEA,OAK,MIA,MIL,PIT,ARI, are the perennial markets that don’t sign upper tier FA’s (on a regular basis) year to year. Who has been “poached” the last 5 years? I don’t believe it’s the problem you suggest or is. Change my mind.
Bud Selig Fan
The Giants tried to poach Stearns before getting Zaidi. The Red Sox with Bloom. And now the Mets with their laundry list of POBO’s already under contract and GM’s under contract. When Cashman is finally canned, look for the Yankees to poach as well.
Phanatic 2022
My diaper is dirty and the Muppets won the real World Series
vtadave
“wE”
LordD99
A great and unappreciated aspect of the Mets search is we are all learning the names of every single human who works in a MLB front office.
bloomquist4hof
They have talent in their system to be good sooner than later and make whoever ends up with job look like a genius.
darkstar61
No, no they don’t really
Most of the MLB talent is in Arbitration or a pending FA. Payroll is an absolute mess though, which is why the team is telling fans to expect a shakeup with the club
Meanwhile the minors are very shallow, resulting in a bottom third system.
So less talented MLB with little talent in minors to supplement with, all while your back is against the wall payroll wise because of inherited commitments …and a NY fanbase and media that is going to be relentlessly attacking while you try to juggle the mess
There’s a bunch of reasons why people don’t want the job, and the teams current situation is certainly at the top of the list
Camden453
One name not being mentioned: Adam Rubin
Giants74
Adam who?
Samuel
As we all know, the Mets are a mess.
A poor overall roster – not just in quality, but too many guys have to play out of position. The Wilpon regime left an infrastructure – department heads, scouting, analytic areas, farm system, etc. – that are a hodgepodge (like the ML roster) of people with mostly limited skills as the Mets had to take on anyone looking for a paycheck and not caring if the work environment was screwy because quality people didn’t want to work for them.
The fans actually think that if the owner would just sign 3 or 4 of the top free agents, than the team can package up their their garbage players for other teams stars and the Mets will instantly be a super team (Yankees fans think the same…it’s an NYC sports fan thing).
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The organization needs to have a plan as to how they’re teaching, developing, and working with position players and pitchers. They need to hire people (a few may already be there) that are committed to carrying out those objectives. That takes time.
When Jeff Luhnow and Theo Epstein took over organizations that were in circles as the Mets currently are, the owners, fans, local media, and everyone following the sport knew they were in a long-term rebuild. NYC fans and sports media will not allow that. They want to win now.
There are 2 organizations that have started doing what the Mets need to do – the Orioles and Pirates- take it down to the studs and build it up. They’re making progress, and in time will be sustainable contending teams.
At this point the Mets need to hire a few caretakers such as Alderson to oversee Baseball Ops – perhaps even to trade off their decent ML players for prospects. Bring in retired / fired experienced MLB Execs that know they’re just there to clean house for a year or two, not build anything. The idea that a young Exec that’s never never been in charge of MLB Baseball Ops department is going to come in and battle his own employees, the owner, team president, the NYC media, the fans, and many players – that are all delusional and think that the roster and farm system a smidgen away form being a top rated contender – is nuts.
bloomquist4hof
They have enough talent to move around and do a quick roster turn over. The right POBO/GM, given enough decision making power could make them good in short order.
Samuel
@ bloomquist4hof;
Thanks for proving my point.
bloomquist4hof
I’m not a Mets fan at all fwiw. However they do have talent. The Mets have no talent line is as delusional as the one piece away line.
bloomquist4hof
And it wouldn’t shock me to see them surprise contenders next yeat even if they didn’t do much. It wouldn’t be wise because they likely won’t be and blowing money on big names will just make the rebuild worse. they have the momey and pieces to flip into a sustainable contender quicker than you seem to imply. This isn’t the Orioles
NMK 2
I am a Mets fan and I think you are right. They would have to leverage Cohen’s wealth but they could sign a number of free agents and stop trading prospects mid-season. And if they suck by the ASB, trade those big signings off for more prospects/young players.
There absolutely is a route to be competitive (current ML roster is ok-ish) but they have to be smart, patient and wealthy.
bloomquist4hof
If I was them I’d stay away from long term contracts except if it makes sense, like say another Harper/Machado situation falls their way. They could play both sides too. If a trade for prospects makes sense, they could do that that and still sign free agents. It may take a couple years, heck it could take 5 or 6, but could just as easily be 2022. The wrong front office would set that back obviously.
AngelsAdvocate
NYM consists of two quality pitchers, and little else.
NMK 2
That’s nonsense and we both know it. They have the best pitcher in the world, a young gun recovering from surgery and at least several homegrown back end pieces in the rotation alone. As we’ve seen this season, can never have enough pitching depth.
There’s absolutely work to be done and systematic improvements required, but there is some talent ready.
Cosmo2
Young gun? Is that Thor? He’s no guarantee; he needs to be signed. Several (!?) homegrown pieces? Who? Peterson (meh) and…? I’m just not as optimistic as you are about this.
NMK 2
Peterson and Megill are both young arms with signs of promise. Don’t forget about Szapucki either.
Bring back Thor and at least one healthy mid-rotation arm and they should have strong starting pitching.
Alonso, Nimmo, Lindor, McNeil, Lugo… they could be interesting to watch in 2022 with the right moves this offseason.
Mystery Team
@bloomquist all teams have talent but let’s be real here the Met’s roster, for the amount of money they spend, is pretty horrible. deGrom is their best player and at this point who knows how long he’ll make it each season. Their outfield is a joke. I like Lindor as a player but other than that it seems to be a bunch of guys that truly enjoy spending time on the IL. Maybe they can pull off a trade for Mikey Trout he would definitely spruce up their IL.
Cosmo2
It is, dollar for dollar, a pretty disappointing team. Not very efficient at spending, which is why I don’t think Cohen opening up his wallet is gonna help much.
stymeedone
@NMK 2
The problem with your theory is that if they suck by the ASB, that means those big FA contracts didn’t work out. Those contracts would then be much like Lindor’s, currently. They will be limited in value as an over pay, or at the least, have minimal excess value, which means you’re not getting much back. Now you gotta kick in cash to get any type of top prospect back. Not many teams were looking to add major dollars at the trade deadline either. Rebuilding teams aren’t looking for high dollar contracts on players in their 30s. Contenders are already up against their payroll limits.
bloomquist4hof
They’re in a better spot than the Orioles or Pirates were. They have talent and money. If they did a Mariners style rebuild they could be good quickly. It would he highly attractive if the circus environment and cursed recent history wasn’t attached to it.
Samuel
@ bloomquist4hof;
Excuse me…..
Where did I write that the Mets have no talent?
ALL MLB teams have talent. In today’s MLB it takes all the players on the roster to win. The Met’s have 3 exceptional players – deGrom, Alonso, and Lindor. Even if they say healthy all year, do you think they carry the Mets?
Bloom moved guys around with the Red Sox. But he had young players coming up from the farm system that the manager could use in certain situations. What players do the Mets have that recently came up and will be coming up? The Indians got Andrés Giménez in the Lindor trade. He was supposed to be a solid prospect that had a decent 2020 with the Mets. They gave him the SS position……he gave it back. The guy had so many holes in his game that he was sent to AAA for most of the 2021 season to be trained properly.
Samuel
And how about Amed Rosario?
Once the Indians moved him back to SS till the end of the season he played well – better overall than Lindor did, even when he was healthy.
How come the Indians got something out of Rosario when the Mets tried everything and couldn’t? Might it possibly be that the Indians have a support structure and coaching staff in place that works with their players to get the most out of them? The Mets don’t have anything like that. They have to build them….and it will not be done in a year or two,
bloomquist4hof
You didn’t say that, apologies. They do have coaching and player development work to do but with the money they could spend the players they have they could straddle the line between a rebuild and contention while they build the staff for that and prospect pipeline they need.
bloomquist4hof
I dont disagree their player development is a mess but poaching teams like the Rays for a couple years could fix that in short order. Obviously they need a GM or POBO to start thet in earnest, and the wrong name could set them back.
dodger1958
What does “poaching teams like the Rays” mean?
Ma4170
I think the Mets were impatient w Amed… his 2019 was essentially the same as his 2021… showed some of the potential he had as a prospect.. after a bad 2020 where plenty of guys had down years bc of a variety of reasons, they trade him and gimenez for a star that was trending down (even in 2019 he was for the production level he had established… 118 ops+ is good, not elite)… I said last winter I’d rather trade for arenado as I thought he’d be his usual 800+ ops and 30-100 away from coors and w less financial commitment long term, but was told that would be a terrible move and look what he did for StL… and now we’re stuck w Lindor who I’m sure will put up some numbers and have some good years, but will never live up to his contract
bloomquist4hof
It was more a generalization about poaching player development from teams who have success at it. Could be the Astros for example
tidybowlman
Wow. You must really hate the Mets to write so much about something you know so little about.
Rick Wilkins
What do you know, another 9 paragraph post from Samuel. I wish these guys would give you a job already, so you could at least get paid for typing all this out.
The Saber-toothed Superfife
Nah. Nyers’ just know they live in and I quote, “The greatest city in the world” and that both the Yankees and the Mets
have a boatload of money.
In NY they know the value of money, lots of money. They expect to win.
Yankee Clipper
Samuel: Your attempted insult in Yankees fans failed the second you finished typing. We don’t believe that we will win if we just sign a few top free agents.
BTW, the same two attempted criticisms are on every Yankees board and it’s woefully incorrect and ignorant. The Yankees team is not a bunch of big FA purchases.
Who are you referring to? Judge? Gardner? Sanchez? Wade? Odor? Gio? Hicks? German? Green? Rodriguez? Gallo? Holmes? Florial? Vazquez? Higgy? Voit? Rizzo? Torres? Sevy?
Nope, you mean the *impending free agent class of SS who they may get, Cole, DJL, Stanton (who was a trade), and reclamation project Kluber. We only have three long-term contract commitments after next season!
Most Yankees fans want / support home-grown talent. But, if we have a need, we want to fill it to further support the team.
KD17
Yankee Clipper – The Yankees have had some success a while back with new young homegrown players but that seemed to stop when you fired Girardi. Boone hasn’t really been able to nurture young talent like Girardi.did.
I think besides the history of spending big money, most fans think of the Yankees as the team that will grab the BIGGEST free agent available regardless of the fit and sometimes just to spite Boston. Cole was acquired for record money when the team was already over the cap. It’s moves like that one which generate a general perception the Yankees are mostly made up of big pay free agents. Also, because of the publicity given young players in the Yankee organization the busts seem more prominent than in other organizations so that furthers the idea that the Yankees are mostly expensive free agents and very few homegrown players.
I think the Yankees have a few excellent young homegrown players but what usually happens is they get over-hyped by the media and then if they fall off it’s big news. Sanchez is a perfect example. He was the toast of baseball until he wasn’t then he was one of the biggest failures. Everything is exaggerated for the Yankees. The good is much better than good and the bad is much worse than bad.
George’s ego fed off the idea the Yankees were the most powerful team in baseball because of his money. The sons didn’t really support that belief during their early years of running the team. The Cole deal made me think they might be taking their father’s more aggressive attitude. This off season will either confirm the old ‘money is no object” approach to free agency or we’ll see the more frugal approach of the son’s early years of running the show.
As a Red Sox fan, I always root for Cashman to make bad choices like Stanton. I thought Cole was a great choice. Cashman’s deal to get Torres was another high point for him but for each one of those high points he seems to have two or three low points like Kluber. Also, in following the theme I mentioned above, guys like LeMahieu have a great year and it’s super great as a Yankee then he falls off like anyone would expect with regard to regressing to his mean numbers and he’s a disaster because he’s a Yankee. Same with Torres. Same with Sanchez. Same with Voit. The good is always better than it really is and the bad is always worse than it really is.
The Yankees have the money to create a World Series contender. I’m not sure they have the right GM or Manager to do it. If I ran the Yankees, I’d replace the GM and Manager and take advantage of this Free Agency class to build my future team.
Bigtimeyankeefan
Ok, ok, I’ll take the job
miltpappas
(Bigtimeyankeefan gets interview with list of responsibilities and salary)
Bigtimeyankeefan: Nah. Pass.
For Love of the Game
Just to dispel the rumors, I am no longer a candidate for the position of General Manager or President of Baseball Operations of the Mets!
miltpappas
I turned it down. I got a more secure offer from Petco.
Camden453
Much of the Mets problem is one that can’t be fixed. The location of their park. It’s a dead area. The ball doesn’t travel. The air is poor. There’s a junkyard and dilapidated shacks next to it. There’s no vibrant culture at all in the area. So it’s like entering no man’s land when you go there
How can you get life and energy going playing in that area? Meanwhile other teams come in and know they can beat up on the Mets because they play in a dump
Wilpons made a major mistake rebuilding on the same site. If you put something in Brooklyn you’d have an energy in the air that just isn’t there in Flushing
This is why players come to the Mets and they don’t do as well. The minute they leave they’re better again. Because the energy in the air is different in other stadiums
Samuel
So if a growing area – say Nashville – were to magically build them a state-of-the-art park in an attractive part of town by late March, 2022 the Mets would be WS contenders?
Camden453
I say yes. They have the players. The players also have to overcome the low energy situation in Flushing. So yes, I think they would be better
Camden453
Let’s say you’re traveling in from LA from your lively scene and ballpark. You arrive at Citi Field and you realize what a dump the area is and you realize these guys are pathetic. You gain confidence. You then have the attitude that you can beat up on the Mets
Meanwhile the Mets travel from Flushing to Wrigley. They go in realizing they’re coming from their low energy situation. There’s an intensity at Wrigley they can’t adjust to
So ultimately most teams are coming from a higher intensity environment into the Mets lower intensity situation, and vice versa. It matters. A lot
Appalachian_Outlaw
Camden, if this was even remotely close to plausible- and for argument I’ll pretend it is- how do the A’s do as well as they do?
Camden453
@appalachian Well, #1, it’s different because the A’s are a small market team. Their dead ballpark is something that works with the minimalistic culture they do. A spartan, sort of minimal ballpark actually complements their culture. But in the biggest stage in NYC it doesn’t fly
#2, like the Rays, they havent been able to really win. They get to the playoffs and it doesn’t work out. Part of that could be the stage they’re coming from
Look, the Braves built a nice ballpark that has a really live atmosphere. Theyre much better in that park than they were in the old stadium
It matters. They’re winning in this postseason because of being in that environment in their ballpark. It would be a lot different outcome in Fulton County Stadium
I’m not saying the parks are everything. But it’s a factor, and it’s a pretty significant factor
Why do the Cubs and Red Sox historically not been winners? A lot of it is the cold parks they’re in
dodger1958
Camden in the late 50s OMalley offered to pay for building a domed stadium in Brooklyn. To replace Ebbets. City of NY said no, we want it in in Queens. End of story.
Giants74
The A’s don’t play in a small market. It is like #5 in the country.
VonPurpleHayes
Lol. This is officially the most ridiculous post I have ever read on these boards. Many stadiums are located in industrial areas a bit removed from the city because of traffic concerns. Philly’s entire sports complex is surrounded by warehouses and factories, although they did a fantastic job establishing an entertaining atmosphere around the stadiums.
inkstainedscribe
Coors Field is in downtown Denver, but it’s in an industrial section that was crime-ridden and decaying before the stadium went up. Baltimore/Camden Yards are in similar situations. Both times, the teams got lucky with site selection.
bloomquist4hof
Yep. Fanbase size is more important than how nice the neighborhood is. It’s beem a few years since I lived there but I’ve had more than one uncomfortable walk from my car to the stadium to see a Mariners game. And I still went. Its just out of down town but the SODO district its in is crime ridden and full of homeless people. People still go.
Camden453
“although they did a fantastic job establishing an entertaining atmosphere around the stadiums.”
So name any other stadium that’s in a total dump with junkyards and shacks around it, with literally no street culture
AngelsAdvocate
Milwaukee
The Saber-toothed Superfife
Something to consider. Baseball is a game of energy and inertia.
VonPurpleHayes
Citifield had a bar and brewery (owned by the same people who owned the bar in Philadelphia) attached to it. They built an entertaining environment around the stadium. The bar has since closed due to covid, but I’m sure they’ll build something in its place. You’re describing Shea stadium in the 80s. Not Citifield in the 2020s.
LordD99
I don’t know, VonPurpleHayes. There are many contenders for that crown. Camden has numerous contenders just in the last week alone. I consider it a troll account, and should be “enjoyed” as such.
Camden453
@vonpurple Fans have been conditioned to reject all subjective factors as “moronic” and to prop up sabermetrics as supremely wise and intelligent
But that’s not something executives do. They also factor in subjective factors. Talent, makeup, park factors, etc
There’s a tremendous backlash online when you mention any subjective factor in forums like this. But the executives themselves also look at these factors
Cosmo2
Sabermetrics DOES factor in those, as you call them, “subjective” things as well. Maybe fans don’t, but your opinion is typical of those who crap all over Sabermetrics without even trying to understand what it actually is.
AngelsAdvocate
This is correct. Ballparks and location have no impact on a team’s success.
tidybowlman
Tell me you’re a Yankee fan under 30 without telling me.
AgeeHarrelsonJones
You must have flunked 4th grade science and high school logic. Otherwise, perhaps, youre trying to be funny. You’re not
inkstainedscribe
It’s gonna be Hart and Coppy…
seaver41
As a Mets fan I’m not bothered. He wasn’t a slam dunk approval to own so there had to be somewhere the baseball community would take it out on the Mets. Get a smart neophyte from a good organization and roll with it. Once that happens the blackballing stops
kpak
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adam2029
The morons who are speaking about the location of Citi Field a great ballpark by the way is across the street from the National Tennis Center where the US Open is played every year people from all over the world go there to see one of the top three tennis events of year the junkyard’s of whom you speak of have been rezone any they’ve just haven’t decided what to build there yet as per location have any you experts ever been to Yankee Stadium ? 27 championship last time I checked so location has nothing to do with the problem the Mets have in winning
Camden453
Ok, but by that logic any business in any location should be successful if you just manage it right, right?
So you start a restaurant surrounded by junkyards and shacks and it’ll do well. No it won’t. It’ll fail because location is important
Just go to google earth and look at the street views around citi field and you’ll see what I mean
Bart Harley Jarvis
Name me one unsuccessful junkyard restaurant. Can’t do it, can you?
metsie1
Some of the dumbest posts I’ve ever read. Has anyone ever been to the Bronx? I don’t think the neighborhood has been a problem.
Camden453
There’s a lot of life in the Bronx. A lot of life, a lot of culture around Yankee stadium. It’s a COMPLETELY different atmosphere there. There’s an electricity in the air that doesn’t exist at Citi Field
The Saber-toothed Superfife
Well as a Tiger fan, I know it is all Al Avila’s fault, especially after all the help Comerica tried to give him.
kingman1
Does anyone actually know who’s been spoken to about this job? These writers constantly drop names and attach the word “sources” to it. Half the time that make this stuff up for “clicks.” My sources tell me that John Smith was approached for the job and he rejected the offer. Bunch of fans listening to a bunch of hacks.
bucsfan0004
Do i know anyone personally? No, but there are about a dozen articles over on The Athletic that basically have the same info about the Mets FO search. Are they making up names, too?
User 163535993
I actually think it would be easier to trade Eichel, Watson and Simmons than it will be for the Mets to find somebody to take their crappy job. Call Stan Bowman.
Tomas7
Look at San Francisco as an example, Candlestick Park in the middle of a very depressed area, Oracle Park in China Basin in an extreme industrial part of SF and have won in both parts; I say it is ownership and management to build the successful culture, It’s like the Mets have the plague or something, not many want to go there, and they do they are rejected; I think they should do some serious soul searching…..
Rick Pernell
Ronald McDonald has withdrawn his name for consideration as the Mets president of baseball operations citing his desire not to be part of a circus.
Bart Harley Jarvis
Has the Mets organization considered billboards or milk cartons?
AgeeHarrelsonJones
Sabean: POBO
Ferreira: GM
Sandy and Bryn: Pink slip
Kapler: Manager
Bochy: Special Assistant to POBO- works remotely
DarkSide830
please find a way to hire Kapler
Bart Harley Jarvis
So Gabe can call Edwin Diaz in from the bullpen without Diaz warming up first?
dodger1958
Let’s see Kapler is a CA guy, has had good/great success with the Giants and works for a stable, well run organization. Why would he want to leave SF to manage a team with an ethically challenged owner who publicly denigrates his players and a mess of a FO?
Bart Harley Jarvis
dodge,
An unlimited supply of coconut oil?
17dizzy
I thought the Mets were going to go BIG TIME for a President of Baseball Operations!!!
If so—— Give John Mozeliak everything he wants and more to obtain him from the Cardinals !!!!!!
The Mets are in dire need of a stablizer, with a firm hand and a great track record.
Mozeliak meets all of those needs.
Quit playing games trying to pick up second class Front Office generals.
The Mets have the money for the BEST. Over Spend your money on the best President of Baseball Operations and the Mats will be the Best team in the league.
Don’t spend the money?? Then the Mets will be worse than they were in 2021. Plus the organization will show “no improvements” for years to come!!!!
misterlol
Lol
Dan Hunter
Sabean POBO.
LordD99
In, no. Kleine would not improve the chances of landing Stearns as a “free agent” after 2022 or 2023. Kleine would be coming to lead the show, not to bring his boss along a year or two down the line. If that is his intentions, then he’s the wrong person for the job.
extreme113
This is embarrassing if you’re a Mets fan.
Cosmo2
It really isn’t. Plenty of teams go through several tries before landing their person. Although I will admit that the Mets are going about this a bit too publicly and dramatically.
Magnet Salesman
If the writers wouldn’t write something up about it every 2 hours, it wouldn’t seem so embarrassing. Not much else to report right now, and it’s getting them clicks and comments.
GASoxFan
There also isn’t normally anywhere near the number of requests made and denied, coupled with people having publicly stated they would not/would no longer like to be considered for the position.
Search is being headed up by someone with no pulse on the market. It’s not about who YOU want, it’s knowing who is available and being able to gauge their level of interest based on their prior statements.
Other clubs don’t have that level of problems with the process.
westcoastmetsfan
I wonder if refusing to permit the Mets to talk to executives is simply the owners trying to make it sa hard as possible for Cohen and the Mets to succeed
Cosmo2
There are a few owners who hate Cohen.
Appalachian_Outlaw
It’s a bit arrogant and/or foolish of the Mets brass to have thought that these organizations were just going to give away their executives for a lateral move.
This is the first article where there’s been mention of a plan that makes sense. You have to identify executive talent and cultivate it. People aren’t just going to hand it to them.
Rsox
Just name Mr. Met PoBO and be done with it already
Timothy Frith
Mr. Met is a mascot, you moron.
Bill M
OK then, how about Mrs. Met?
Timothy Frith
Mr. and Mrs. Met are both mascots. I want Sestanovich to the Mets’ new POBO and GM.
Kg3636
Mets will hire Charlie Donovan as GM and Billy Heywood as coach. Mark it down.
Kg3636
Mets will hire Charlie Donovan as GM and Billy Heywood as coach. Mark my words.
SonnySteele
I wonder what kind of Mets GM or POBO Jerry Seinfeld would make…
DanielDannyDano
Back in the old days, MLB simply would have sent in Frank Robinson to take over, and all the nonsense would stop. Is there anyone like Frank in today’s game? Player, Manager, General Manager, Team President, League Executive,there simply wasn’t a job Frank didn’t hold. The Mets could sure use him now.
AgeeHarrelsonJones
Torre
The Saber-toothed Superfife
That was back when real men were the role models. No question about what a man like Frank Robinson would bring to the table.
MarlinsFanBase
The Mets can easily fill their front office without disrupting the tradition and history. All they have to do is hire Mike Hill.
Mike Hill and the Mets were made for each other.
Johnmac94
Let’s Go Jets!!! I mean mETS, I get them soooo confused!
User 163535993
I heard Cohen is going to be Mr. Met this year so he can be on Undercover Boss. Any truth to that rumor? Besides, the real joke is that Cohen, like most owners before him, Thought that the answer to all problems was throw money at it. Hardly ever works long term and in most cases, Makes things worse.
mil
The Mets are a total train wreck.
Cosmo2
Thanks for joining in with the original and insightful comment. Help yourself to a juice box and some nilla wafers.
Bill M
He won’t be able to help himself.
They’re on the top shelf.
The Saber-toothed Superfife
We have one Al Avila for sale, includes a free bridge.
Bob333
What a shame another no Kingston LMAO.Now he wants to interview a bunch of non qualified candidates for GM.Can’t wait for Mgr search.NOBODY WANTS TO WORK FOR COHEN GET IT THROUGH YOUR THICK SCULLS.
Cohens_Wallet
If BOB said it then…
bobtillman
Ferreira would be an excellent choice, IMHO. Seen here on several interviews on NESN, and. like Kim Ng. would not only be a “trendy” pick (though I don’t diminish that factor), but she definitely knows her stuff. Solid pro all around, and with an excellent personality, media-wise (again, not a factor to be considered lightly).
HalosHeavenJJ
What woman wouldn’t want to work for the Mets given their recent history? This is going to be another turn down.
Old York
If the Mets need to fill a void, I’ll take the job.
Bill M
THAT WOULD BE AWESOME!!!!!
angt222
Kleine is going to decline.
Rsox
Hire ARod. He wanted to buy them, this would be the next best thing…
BuhnerBuzzCut
Hire me. I’ll trade Lindor to the Dodgers for Price, release Cano & start over. You can’t spend your way out of dumb spending.
Rsox
But what if you have “stupid money”?
BuhnerBuzzCut
Rsox I’ll give myself a stupid bonus.
17dizzy
Pay Cardinals President of Baseball Operations, John Mozeliak, double his current Salary to come to the Mets…..
The Cardinals have had 14 straight seasons of .500 or better, winning seasons. What have the Mets done during that same time span???
stan lee the manly
I doubt there’s anything that could lure Mo away. He has the complete trust of DeWitt and all the freedom to do what he wants within the monetary limits DeWitt sets in the Cards org and won’t get that anywhere else, especially in the dumpster fire Mets org.
waterdog311
They keep calling me too. It shows up as “spam call” and my phone and I just tell my wife “the Mets are calling again.”
17dizzy
I’ve stated it a dozen times!! The Mets Need John Mozeliak of the Cardinals!!! Whatever it takes to get Mozeliak——Pay him!!!