The Astros have kicked off their offseason with a bold strike, agreeing to re-sign ace Justin Verlander. It’s reportedly a two-year, $50MM guarantee that contains even $25MM salaries over the next two seasons and allows Verlander to opt out after 2022.
The sides came to terms less than an hour after the ISE Baseball client had rejected the team’s one-year, $18.4MM qualifying offer. That proved to be a wise decision, as Verlander will handily top that salary next season and pick up some financial security in the form of his 2023 player option.
Verlander has only made one appearance in the past two years because of an elbow injury that required a September 2020 Tommy John surgery. When last we saw him at full strength, the 2011 AL MVP was as good as ever. He tossed 223 innings of 2.58 ERA ball in 2019, winning his second career Cy Young award and helping lead Houston to a pennant.
That kind of top-of-the-rotation production is nothing new for Verlander, an eight-time All-Star and future Hall of Famer. He’d posted a 2.52 ERA across 214 frames the year prior, and he has an incredible nine seasons of 200+ innings with an ERA below 3.50 on his resume. Simply put, few pitchers can match the combination of workload and productivity Verlander has put together year in and year out for the bulk of his career.
Of course, there’s real risk Verlander doesn’t regain his peak form coming off two lost seasons. He’ll turn 39 years old in February, so there’d be fairly significant downside even if he weren’t coming off a major arm procedure. The ceiling when investing in a player of this caliber is immense, though, a fact that’s reflected in the seemingly robust interest he generated during his brief stay on the open market. Not only were a few of the game’s top spenders rumored to be involved, Verlander’s deal fairly handily tops the two-year, $40MM figure MLBTR projected entering the offseason — particularly once one factors in the player-friendly opt-out provision.
The Astros determined that to be a risk worth taking, a justifiable stance given that they’re squarely amidst a win-now window. Even facing Verlander’s potential departure, starting pitching wasn’t exactly a need. Despite Verlander missing all of 2021, the Astros’ starting staff ranked fifth in ERA (3.60), albeit with middle-of-the-road strikeout and walk numbers. Zack Greinke looks likely to sign elsewhere this offseason, and the team could look into trades involving Jake Odorizzi. Even still, Houston would bring back Lance McCullers Jr., Framber Valdez, Luis García, José Urquidy and Cristian Javier — one of the stronger rotation cores around the league.
A healthy Verlander is the kind of player teams will find room for even in the absence of an ostensible positional need though. Not only should he help the team manage the workloads of the younger arms, the front office is no doubt envisioning the possibility of rolling him back out as a Game One playoff starter. They’re as familiar as anyone regarding Verlander’s recovery process, current form, and work habits. They clearly feel strongly about his ability to bounce back.
In doing so, the Astros will indirectly forfeit a draft pick. While they won’t be stripped of a pick for signing one of their incumbent free agents, they’ll lose the right to collect a compensatory pick in the 70-75 overall range — which they would’ve received had Verlander signed elsewhere after rejecting Houston’s qualifying offer. That’s a small price to pay, even for a team whose farm system has been hit hard by the punishment from the 2017 sign-stealing scandal, given their current competitive window.
The Astros would stand to add a compensation pick in the event Carlos Correa departs. Like Verlander, Correa also rejected a QO, and the star shortstop is in position for a mega-deal as the top player on the market. The Astros’ previous efforts to re-sign Correa haven’t come particularly close to getting anything done, and Verlander’s return would seem to make the chances of Correa coming back even more remote.
Houston’s 2022 commitments now sit around $162MM, in the estimation of Jason Martinez of Roster Resource. That’s after accounting for estimated salaries for arbitration-eligible players but before considering the possibility of a Correa contract. Signing Correa would no doubt push the 2022 tab well above this past season’s $188MM franchise-record player expenditure (via Cot’s Baseball Contracts). Houston was prepared to enter the 2020 season with a payroll above $200MM before the pandemic necessitated a shortened season with prorated salaries. If owner Jim Crane is willing to go to that level again, then there might be room in the budget for a more earnest Correa pursuit, but it remains to be seen if that kind of spending is on the table.
Regardless of where the Astros go from here, re-signing Verlander serves as a reminder that Correa’s free agency doesn’t mark the end of the club’s competitive window. In addition to a rotation that has as much upside as any in the league, the Astros will roll into 2022 with a lineup that includes Alex Bregman, José Altuve, Yordan Álvarez, Yuli Gurriel, Michael Brantley and Kyle Tucker. They’ll look to hold off the Mariners, Angels and Rangers — all of whom have already been or are expected to be very aggressive this offseason — at the top of the AL West. The A’s look likelier to go in the opposite direction, but Oakland’s current core has been strong enough to compete over the past couple seasons, and it remains to be seen whether they’ll tear the roster down to its studs. All in all, it should be one of the game’s more entertaining and competitive divisions in 2022.
The Verlander signing also paints a picture of what has been a strong rotation market in the early going. The Angels took a similar short-term, high-salary upside flier on Noah Syndergaard yesterday — one day after the Tigers went to five years with an opt-out to land Eduardo Rodríguez. Teams like the Angels, Braves, Blue Jays, Yankees, Red Sox and White Sox were all linked to Verlander in recent days, and it stands to reason those clubs remain motivated to add rotation upside via free agency or trade. Max Scherzer, Kevin Gausman, Robbie Ray, Marcus Stroman and Carlos Rodón are among the numerous starting pitchers still on the free agent market who have recently posted top-of-the-rotation type of production.
Ben Verlander of Fox Sports first reported Justin Verlander’s agreement with the Astros. Mark Berman of Fox 26 reported that Verlander’s 2022 salary would be $25MM and reported the presence of the 2023 player option. Jon Heyman of the MLB Network reported that the option was also valued at $25MM.
Image courtesy of USA Today Sports.
formegn hardgin
Well that’s a boring outcome
yankeesarethebest88
Lol. Trash.
STLBirds86
U mean trashcan..
Randy Marsh
As a cardinals fan aka the database hackers you really have no place to talk
CamFrost
Yankees fans were making photoshops of Verlander in pinestripes since the offseason started lol
deweybelongsinthehall
Since he’s not going to Boston, I can go back to dreaming of Kate…
rocky7
You and your 12 fans can go kiss our NY Yankee a_s!
deweybelongsinthehall
I think I hate the Astros more than I hate the Yankees. Has nothing to do with their success and everything to do with their cheating and arrogance. Bregman in particular. He’ll if a talent, but just otherwise a fool.
cleve1969
Curly Was The Smart Stooge
Well said cleve1969!
rememberthecoop
You don’t say.
CamFrost
And to think only the Astros were doing it shows that you are what you say Bregman is.
Yankee-4-Lifer 75
How about returning the ring you got by cheating, and replace it with a trash can that you definitely deserve.
Randy Marsh
You yankee fans better hope that letter doesn’t get unsealed. Even though everyone knows yankee fans are little bi*ches
deweybelongsinthehall
What I miss?
deweybelongsinthehall
I’m on notice for not wanting PED users in the HOF and that includes Papi. It’s the smugness of Bregman that is just nauseating to watch. it was the same thing for me with ARod but Bregman seems far worse as a non-Astro fan. Back in the 70s, Reggie was arrogant but it just seemed different. When he wasn’t facing the Sox, I really had no hatred when he was at the plate (although I did enjoy seeing him strikeout falling off balance after swinging and missing on strike three). Same thing with Billy Martin. Didn’t “hate” him except when the team’s played.
deweybelongsinthehall
Yankee fans used to be the most arrogant, now it seems it’s Astros fans.
Randy Marsh
2017 champions!!!!!!!
goastros123
You can take that ring over my dead body.
Redwood13
Why is he a fool? He was a rookie in 2017, you don’t rock the boat your first year in the big league.
Poster formerly known as . . .
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deweybelongsinthehall
Why not then come clean and apologize for your actions? He wasn’t in junior high was he?
oldoak33
Return the ring to Jim Crane?
goastros123
Well, our resident A’s fan from london just showed his true colors as a human being. Good to know.
jjd002
He apologized multiple times. How many more times do they have to apologize for people like you stop saying crap like that?
goastros123
Treat others how you want them to treat you, Dewey. Treat us with humility, respect, etc and we’ll treat you the same way.
whiplash
Red Sox were caught cheating too. You should hate yourself
Jubilee3333
What are you saaaayyyying ?
Jubilee3333
Return the ring to Eric the actor
kdub53
Creame freage…. Cafeteria freage!
Daniella
All fan bases are probably capable of being most hated if their team is called out as cheaters. No one would ever want to accept that so they’ll become just as arrogant and non remorseful as their team
The Mets "Missed WAR"
I think the timing of Verlander’s Cy Young season is important to point out. 2019 was the biggest “juiced ball” season in MLB history. Jorge Soler hit 48 honer runs. It was also the last time Lindor looked like a power hitter. Pete Alonso broke the rookie home run record with over 50 home runs.
None of those guys as well as many others have come close to putting up stats like that since. Verlander was putting up his incredible 2019 in the worst pitcher environment since the steroid era. That’s how good he was.
Weak hitters were turned into superstar power hitters in 2019. Some good pitchers turned into trash in 2019. Verlander was the best of the best. He goes deep, too. With 2 outs in the 9th inning I’ve watched him finish a complete game by striking out a batter with a 101mph fastball.
How many guys can throw 101 after recording 26 straight outs? I don’t know of any. Except Verlander.
Astros2017&22Champs
Great point. Verlander gives up a ton of homeruns too. They’re just of the solo variety. He doesn’t walk people and he never loses his composure when in trouble
kyzr
Sticky stuff ?
SeeGilley
Remember, God said, if you can’t forgive why should I forgive you.
Hawkeye75
Not if you’re an Astros’ fan 😛
Deadguy
Justin Verlander is one of the luckiest people alive.
thickiedon
*gifted
Yankee-4-Lifer 75
@Hippyripper- why because he’s married to Kate Upton? He better enjoy that ring he has, because he’s unlikely to get another one. Smh
astros2017
Aww, the Astros are under your thin skin
Dumpster Divin Theo
Aww, the Astros have no untainted trophies
giantsphan12
Hey Ya’ll…while I agree that the Astros 2017 WS win is tainted, how about giving the ‘Stros fans a break? Honest question: how would you feel if your team did/got caught doing what that team did? I would be totally destroyed if the Giants did such a thing. Other teams, no doubt, we’re also seeking sign-stealing advantages,
but just didn’t get caught. And, it was the players/mangers/Cora/Beltran etc. who cheated, not the fans. The Stros are still a damn good team without cheating (presumably) and they have loyal fans. Their fans should be “allowed” to love them and cheer for them without taking so much heckling here. Give the fans a break and give peace a chance!
Dumpster Divin Theo
Outstanding point Giantsphan. Baseball fans prolly would give the Giants fans a break, as like many or most fan bases, the Giants fan base tends to be a pretty positive and self aware bunch. If something happened around a team that say the Mariners, As, Rockies, Pirates, or Twin fan bases (to name a few or a couple of dozen teams) supported, think most reasonable people would give those teams and their respective fan bases, a break. Especially if the players and their fans showed genuine contrition.
But here you have one of the more smug, aloof collection of cheaters, who have largely gone unpunished- and a fan base that has largely stuck their head in the sand and refused to take ownership or show any self awareness for their team’s pariah status. Its hard to generate any sympathy for the universal rejection of the Astros around the game when the team, and their fans, double down and claim to be victims.
stros1fan
Take ownership of what? Being fans of a baseball team? Lol
CamFrost
Take ownership? Every Astros fan I know has 100% admitted that they understand that the team cheated. What our gripe is that the MLB used them as the example when it was known to be a widespread issue. And fans of other teams ate it all up and now the Astros have become the bullseye for all the hate regarding sign stealing. We understand that they cheated, but aren’t gullible enough to allow fans of other teams to constantly bash the team when their team is more than likely not completely clean either.
goastros123
It goes both ways, Theo. Unless we’re outright criticizing or taking a dump on the Astros, we’re accused of having no morals from the word go and it’s been like that from the very beginning. I’ll use myself an example: I’d be more than happy to humble myself and be self-aware during a peaceful discussion, which I have done on this site before. However, if you’re gonna talk down to us then what is the point of keeping our heads out of the sand? In the public court, it doesn’t matter whether our heads are out of the sand or in the sand. There are plenty of people who would never have a peaceful, intelligent baseball discussion with me because I’m an Astros fan. There is an “Us vs them” mentality and it exists because of both sides.
goastros123
Thank you, Giantsphan, for being considerate. The truth is many of us Astros fans don’t like the fact that the Astros cheated. However, we defend them because they brought something that a lot of Houstonians, myself included, had never seen before: a major Houston team winning a championship. Them winning during 2017 made our city feel great after Harvey. Ever since Fiers went to the Athletic, any one who is not outright criticizing the Astros is met with mockery. You know the phrase treat others how you would want them to treat you? Well, people don’t treat us how they would want to be treated so that’s why we’re not humble, self-aware, etc. They don’t deserve to see us humble ourselves with sincerity. In fact, Theo is a great example: I said I would gladly celebrate the 2017 championship, and he said “Wheee. Celebrate. While the rest of the baseball world mocks you”. Another example: earlier I said “You can take that ring over my dead body” and I was met with a “Sounds like a fair trade. That can be arranged” from A’sfaninLondon. People don’t want to treat us with respect because we got the nerve to continue to be Astros fans. They’re the biggest reason why there is an “us vs them” mentality,
thunderecho
MLB fans inexplicably define themselves by their hatred of the Astros not their devotion to their hometown team.
Astros have players that have no interest in kissing the Mob’s rear end. 2017 is ancient history to the Astros and the team’s fans. The team and fans are focused on 2022.
I’m actually enjoying reading the obsession that posters on this board have with the Astros. It is quite comical. Keep the obsessive hatred going!
The Astros championship window is not closing, not by a long shot. Their farm system, despite the lost draft picks, is producing talent. The team does not really need to be big spenders in free agency.
Regardless of whether or not Correa stays or goes, the Astros will contend for a title next season. They lost Cole, Morton, Springer, and Keuchel to free agency. Verlander missed two seasons. And the team is still getting to the World Series.
The future of the Astros looks good.
itsgonnahappen
When’s the last time NY was in the WS?
SweetHome
The question that prompts anger by many fans is “how would you feel if your team lost to the Astros in the 2017 playoffs?” The Giants 3 recent championships and continued success may enable you to let this go easier than many long suffering fans. Imagine if this happened in 2016 and they knocked out the Indians and Cubs. Heck, I was even feeling sorry for the Dodgers and they have more money than any team combined with some of best talent and management. I love to root for underdogs, so it hurt me to feel bad for Dodgers. I have no issue with Astro fans. I understand all teams cheat to some extent, but think the Astros scheme was much more extensive than any other team and likely was a difference maker in a seven game series.
goastros123
That’s why it’s one thing to not like the Astros, and it’s another thing to treat us Astros fans with complete disrespect. That brings up the question of “how would you want other fans to treat you if your team cheated?”.
Redwood13
Happy were he is deal with it
SoxRewl
Not a boring outcome for me, I’m 4/5 on the free agent contest now.
Melvin McMurf
too bad
Rking
2 for 2 today, it was a good day.
WobblyGreg
Lame.
Rangers29
WOW! I am SOOO surprised by this!
❤️ MuteButton
Great!!
ajrodz1335
1 year 21 million
Thomas E Snyder
2 years @ $25m each with an opt out after next year..
jkwdbu
Awesome
Deleted_User
I thought he was guaranteed to sign elsewhere because they disrespected him by QO’ing him!?!?!?!?!?
YankeesBleacherCreature
Let it go, weirdo.
Deleted_User
Well, since you put it that way…
No!
Samuel
Yankee fans are the biggest frontrunners of teams in all of American professional sports.
All their players are sensational…..until they leave. Then they were never any good, it’s the best thing for the team that they left. LOL
Now they’re starting in with free agents. They rumor every single name player as about to be a Yankee. Then they trash the guy when he signs elsewhere.
Totally classless fans. The worst.
(And if someone calls them out, they trash him/her.)
jogo
Those are some pretty broad strokes to paint the entire NY Yankee fan base with there Samuel. Your obvious hatred for the Yankees or their fanbase is resulting in you revealing yourself to having deep psychological damage regarding NY resulting in over the top comments illogically blasting Yankee fans as being among other things, totally classless and the “worst”. The fact of the matter is, Yankee fans are pretty much like fans of any other team in that there are Good Yankee fans, Bad Yankee fans, and Ugly Yankee fans, And that’s the case in Boston, Philly, Houston, Chicago or just about any other city. If you’ve had unpleasant experiences with NY fans then that’s too bad but the reasons you mention above is nothing compared to, for example, some of the things Red Sox fans have done over the years from a racial standpoint towards players of other teams. Think about that the next time you decide to lump all Yankee fans together as totally classless and the “worst”.
goastros123
Jogo is correct.
Redwood13
You have fans that throw batteries and scream profanity. No player deserves to be treated like that. They are classless (many of the fans in New York). Grow up, the rest of the fans of the rest of the teams don’t treat your team like that.
machurucuto
Well said.
Dumpster Divin Theo
Agree with Jogo, in many less words.
Dumpster Divin Theo
Yeah but it’s just not the fans, you ole fuddy duddy Redwood. You walk around in parts of the city, people yell profanity and throw batteries at ya. It’s just a special greeting, a way of showing some local love. Fuggatabout it! It’s what makes New York a special place for anyone that’s lived, or spent time there. What would baseball be like without some obnoxious bleacher creatures, self obsessed Red Sox fans, or clueless Cub fans to liven up discussion? Pretty dull and homogeneous experience. So lighten up there, Frances.
jogo
Redwood or deadwood…Are you joking? Like NY is the only place where fans yell nasty words and throw stuff? Stupid, stupid comment. And grow up? What the hell does that mean? Did I say something juvenile? Like what? Here’s the deal…You are not worth debating ’cause you are lacking, in a number of areas. Also, you are irritating as —-.
baseballguy_128
that’s just procedure
Deleted_User
That’s not what Dodgers fans said about Clayton Kershaw
itsgonnahappen
I like and agree. Pitcher wins are completely ridiculous!
JerryBird
It seems they bought back the respect. Regardless, JV got what he wanted. Now let’s see if Houston’s gamble pays off.
MasterShake
But … but his wife is a Tigers, And Yankees fan!
thickiedon
And he wants to be on the east coast!
Redwood13
Not anymore
DarkSide830
Ben Bomb!
sdbaseballguy
2/37?
davidk1979
When has Ben Verlander broken a story?
Raps902420
Today,about his brother.
Rangers29
WhAt aBoUt aCtIng oPPurtinIties fOr KaTe???
PutPeteRoseInTheHall
I think there’s something wrong with your keyboard
Dumpster Divin Theo
She was like in one really bad movie with Cameron Diaz, and neither “actress” has really been in anything since. So that would be a pretty definite no.
sdbaseballguy
2/37
JeffreyChungus
Ben Verlander is an absolute hardo trying to ride his brother’s coattails after his own failed baseball career. Wouldn’t be surprised if this was fake.
iverbure
Are you surprised now?
jvent
Another SP not signing with the Mets , hopefully they’re talking with Stroman,Scherzer,Ray and Gausman.
PutPeteRoseInTheHall
Well they can forget about Gausman because he’s going nowhere. As for Scherzer, they can have him. He’s on his way out, sadly, and my proof is his arm fatigue was pretty bad in the NLCS. Ray, I fear, is going back to Toronto and I’m not totally sure about Stroman. I believe the Giants should be in on both Stroman and Ray
oldoak33
Scherzer on the way out because “he was tired in the NLCS” after putting up a Cy Young caliber season? Meanwhile 300 other MLB pitchers sitting at home that couldn’t carry Scherzer’s jock, wishing they had the chance to fatigue in October.
CravenMoorehead
Brian Cashman is officially getting drunk and sleeping on the couch tonight
Fernando P
He can get drunk on Saturday. There is still work to be done on the 40 man roster before Friday’s deadline.
CravenMoorehead
I’m not sure if I heard this correctly, but did Cashman only offer one year?
SportsFan0000
Cashman is a “low ball” artist. Over values Yankees prospects. Under values team talent from opponents.
Verlander wanted to go to NY or LA when the Tigers traded him.
Cashman blew that deal also offering a few scrubs for Verlander.
Houston was like Verlander’s 3rd or 4th choice.
It worked out great for him and for the Astros!
rememberthecoop
Unless you know him personally, which you don’t, you have no idea what you’re talking about. Just because he made comments? He was willing to go to any contender. Get over yourself.
steven st croix
Looks like another ALCS appearance for everyone favorite heel.
Dumpster Divin Theo
Yup. Baseball Inc secretly likes this. Like WWE, everyone loves them a heel.
Camden453
Makes no sense with Correa leaving and other issues the Astros have. Maybe he’s hoping for the deadline trade
Thomas E Snyder
LOL. Some people will NEVER get it.
Orel Saxhiser
@Camden453. That’s what I was thinking. If they’re letting Correa go, bringing Verlander back seems pointless. It’ll be interesting to see how the remainder of their off-season shakes out.
Insane starting pitching market. At this rate, the Dodgers’ “foolish” signing of Heaney might end up being a bargain.
Tyler Hoegsberg
Pointless how? The objective is still to win, and tell me who in that division is going to challenge the astros with the Mariners overperforming last year, the A’s supposedly selling everyone, and the Angels being the Angels.
Randy Marsh
Correa is replaceable when you have the best offense in baseball. It’s quite simple really
Hawkeye75
Not a slam dunk that Correa leaves. Though, to sign him, Grienke will have to be let go. Astros are only 20 million away from the 35 million marker that Correa may want and Grienke made near 35 last season while Verlander did as well. With JV in the fold for about 10 million less per season than the past two seasons, the Astros have the money, it’s just do they want to spend it on a oft-injured SS for 7-10 years it will take? We shall see.
I’d actually be fine with letting him walk and get the draft pick. Sign another pitcher like Scherzer (Grienke and Correa’s 15 million off the books) and adding in an outfielder like Marte. Pena is in AAA raking at SS and Diaz can fill in as well.
SportsFan0000
Grienke is gone. He wants to pitch/play in the NL.
It is more of a pitcher friendly league especially for veterans.
DoritosLocosTaco
Not if there’s a universal DH next year
Randy Marsh
Greinke is a free agent
itsgonnahappen
They paid him 33 million to not pitch last year. They’ll pay him 25 million next year to pitch. They also won’t be paying Greinke. That’s about 40 million saved.
If they don’t sign Correa and start Pena, they’ll save another 12 million.
That’s about 52 million saved. Where do they put said saved money? Maybe on other issues the Astros have?
SportsFan0000
It will be worth it if they have a World Series Parade in Houston
next November.
Astros Owner cannot take it with him when he goes.
Randy Marsh
Marte is an option with all the saved money. Also need a few arms in the bullpen
TheRickestRick
Got this one wrong.
I thought Detroit
bobtillman
Don’t worry. Tigers just hired Correa’s second cousin on the third side’s wife’s hairdresser, so Carlos is definitely going to Detroit.
DarkSide830
whoever trades for his brother J.C. wins his services as well.
SportsFan0000
Verlander will go back to Detroit in ’23 or ’24 to win one more title before
he hangs up his cleats.
rememberthecoop
Unless he doesn’t.
Oddvark
Teams better act fast if they want to sign a starting pitcher. They are dropping like flies.
Orel Saxhiser
This is why it’s important to develop your own. If a team tries to build an entire rotation through free agency, it’s nearly impossible to get sufficient bang for your buck.
julyn82001
25MM for six months of work, huh? Not bad, not bad at all…
Thomas E Snyder
Less than the $33M he got each of the last two years.
oldoak33
$11MM in 2020 and $33MM in 2021 is $44MM +/-
Redwood13
Some players in the NBA are making $500,000 a game at that rate baseball players should make 81 million a year?
Camden453
I heard Verlander was friends with Harper and they both hung out in Vegas, so he was going to the Phillies. Oh wait that was Kris Bryant
Also Kate Upton is a big fan of Philly cheesesteaks
Astros2017&22Champs
Hah. Funny. But thats what makes kate upton so hot. She will drink a beer and have a cheesesteak with the boys. A real woman
rememberthecoop
Except her breasts. Those are probably not real.
Yankee-4-Lifer 75
@Hippyripper- why because he’s married to Kate Upton? He better enjoy that ring he has, because he’s unlikely to get another one. Smh
Randy Marsh
When was the last time Yankees even came close to a ring ? This isn’t the 90s anymore boy. Oh wait they have that one from what 2007? 08? 14? Either way 2017 was sooner don’t be jealous
sdbaseballguy
Scherzer’s going to get 3/100+ easy now.
Camden453
Scherzer to the Mets where instantly he can’t find it anymore and his career ends
rememberthecoop
You wouldn’t happen to have tomorrow’s winning lottery numbers would you?
For Love of the Game
Yikes!
CalcetinesBlancos
These pitchers are getting wise to the fact that they can make a lot more money on shorter deals.
whyhayzee
Good. Things are heating up instead of posturing until February. Keep the fires burning.
bobtillman
Astros musta JUST beat out the Orioles.
Metsin777
Overpay, should of let him walk. The astros have tons of quality pitching already. Should use that money to get a new shortstop/catcher
imstrange
you mean to tell me Maldonado hitting .172 isnt worth the specatcular defense?
Metsin777
You guessed right
sdbaseballguy
I agree, it’s a pretty risky signing especially with the year 2 player option. His track record is impeccable but Father Time always wins in the end. Pitching is apparently an even more premium this off-season.
Prospectnvstr
Phil Neikro, Charlie Hough, Jamie Moyer AND Nolan Ryan all say HI. Yeah, I know that was figuratively a lifetime ago, before teams had to coddle their(err I mean protect) their investment.
Dutch
Ryan might be a comp with the arsenal but the others mentioned are ageless knuckleballers and a lefty specialist who never needed velocity.
Thomas E Snyder
We have all the SS and C we need in our farm system.
Hawkeye75
Correa’s and Grienke’s contracts total about 50 million a year. The Astros have plenty of cash to do whatever they want.
DoritosLocosTaco
Think of all the trashcans that money could buy
Randy Marsh
Think how you could read a book to come up with an original thought
dodger1958
Just think Dylan in 2023 the Astros will go from 13m to 30m on Bergman, have to replace Correra and Greinke. Not to mention plugging holes. So no, they have some flexibility but not nearly as much as you think.
takeitback
Well, I guess it’s a good think Brantley comes off the books in 2023 since he makes $16 million a year.
JoeBrady
dodger1958
have to replace Correra and Greinke.
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Greinke would be the #7 SP on the team. He is not getting replaced.
itsgonnahappen
Their top prospect is an offensive minded Catcher and is set to make his debut in 2022.
SportsFan0000
Astros can just trade for a catcher. They now have starting pitching depth.
Randy Marsh
Google Korey Lee.. Astros don’t need a catcher
Angry Disgruntled Sox Fan
Even though I thought Verlander might go elsewhere, this isn’t surprising. This was one of the 5 teams I thought he might go to.
Ancient Pistol
I guess the “east coast” teams did not want to risk such an overpay.
Vizionaire
east coast of texas!
SportsFan0000
That is why NYY have not won a title in 12 years.
Hal Jr and Cashman have gone cheap.
Camden453
The Astros may contend for the playoffs, may even reach the playoffs, but little real chance to win the World Series. Not without Correa, Altuve aging, plus overall weak starting pitching
Not sure why Verlander didn’t go to the Jays or Dodgers for a more legitimate shot at a ring. But maybe he doesn’t really care
steven st croix
Their SP was abover average with younger pitchers throwing other than McCullers. With that offense, even without Correa, they will be good.
Camden453
No, wrong, think again. Braves lit it up like it was AAA pitching
DarkSide830
so the rest of the year doesnt matter? they had to beat some good AL teams to get to the WS.
Angry Disgruntled Sox Fan
Personally, I feel the three great teams were the Rays, Giants, and Dodgers. Everyone else played over their heads.
I love this Sox ream but still think the Rays are better even though we beat then when it mattered.
Orel Saxhiser
@pwndroia, it’ll be fascinating to see how good the Rays will be once Wander really gets rolling. He looks like the real deal to me.
takeitback
They lit up the rotation minus Verlander and McCullers. That’s a big difference.
stros1fan
Imagine being so clueless to think using a 6-game series at the end of the season to determine the Astros SP is weak. The Astros were also without their best SP, and they lost 2 games by a score of 2-0 and 3-2. Think again, Camden.
Dustyslambchops23
Can you please explain the difference between a team making the playoffs and having no real chance of winning the World Series? Would love to hear it
rememberthecoop
The difference is that they have a chance – teams that don’t make the playoffs have a 0% chance to win the world series.
citizen
Foyers have been in the playoff how many of the past several years and one victory. No guarantee there.
Orel Saxhiser
That’s why the goal should be building a team that’s consistently in the hunt. With 30 teams and multiple tiers of playoffs, it’s never been harder to win a World Series. Btw, I am in favor of adding another playoff team per league. More teams in the mix would be good for the game. The problem is so many teams are poorly-run.
DarkSide830
Altuve is all of 31…he’ll be 33 when JV’s PO is up.
Hawkeye75
You don’t know much about the Astros, do you?
Astros2017&22Champs
Not wanting to us to go there doesn’t mean we arent brother. Our owner is smart, rich, and loves winning.
DoritosLocosTaco
And if the astros win it all your mattress is free, free, free!
jogo
So why is he unwilling to pay Correa his market value? And btw, you just described every owner in MLB. They didn’t get rich by being dumb. Yeah, they are all rich, and hell yeah, they love winning. Next…
Randy Marsh
Because Correa simply isn’t worth 30 million a year. His injuries over the years leave a lot of playing time to be desired. Some team will give him the 8-10 year deal he’s looking for and maybe he’ll be good for 4-5 years of it for about 110 games a year. Astros are playing their hand perfect
Prospectnvstr
Weren’t the Braves supposed to be toast after losing Acuna and not having a winning record until about 120 games in the season? They had the lowest % of winning the World Series of any of the postseason teams. Yet, they ended up on top. That being said, the Astros could be World Series participants again next year or completely miss the playoffs if either the Angels stay healthy & produce or if Seattle takes the next step. That’s why I really appreciate AND enjoy the game of baseball.
jogo
Yep, you make a good point. No matter the projections, they still gotta play the games and you NEVER know what’s going to happen. Man, can’t wait for spring training. Having said that, I also love the hot stove, the rumors, dreaming about who your favorite team might sign or trade for. The internet is a wonderful thing for baseball fans that pay close attention to the game. And of course, MLBtrade rumors is right there with superb coverage of everything that is going on. Thank you Tim, Steve, and the rest.
SportsFan0000
Astros had the best offense in the AL. It will be good even if Correa leaves.
They will just sign a SS or 3B guy and move Bregman to Short if necessary.
Clue #7 Astros young starting pitching was rated in the top tier of the league.
stros1fan
“plus overall weak starting pitching”
Tell me you don’t follow baseball without telling me you don’t follow baseball.
jjd002
How to say you don’t know baseball without saying you don’t know baseball.
Tyler Hoegsberg
This guy is a clown, tell me who in the AL West is going to beat them out? Mariners overperformed, A’s are selling everyone, and the Angels will all be hurt by June. Astros take the division again easily…
LanceCT
Imagine what he would have gotten if he had actually pitched last year
Camden453
Imagine if he was a hall of fame pitcher who looked elite in his showcase to teams. He would have got $25 million. Oh wait that’s what he got
JamesH
The same he got last time he pitched I would guess. 2/$66M
SportsFan0000
If he pitched last year, the Astros beat the Braves in the World Series.
JV pitches 3 games and shuts down Braves offense in at least 2 of them.
Thomas E Snyder
JV has yet to win a WS game.
JamesH
Yes!! Bang bang. Generic trash can joke. Personal insult
tigger17
Perfect. One year with the Stros and then come back where it started in D town when we are ready!
Hawkeye75
It’s one year with a player option–so he could very well be in Houston for 2 more years. After that—who knows.
charles stevens
I’ll take Verlander for 25 every single day of the week over Thor for 21
Camden453
Only 4 million more for Verlander. Imagine that
Dustyslambchops23
Actually it’s 29 million more.
charles stevens
We didn’t know that when the comments were made. However it doesn’t change my mind. Astros also didn’t give away any draft picks.
Angels & NL West
Thor is approximately 10 years younger, $29 million cheaper and six months further beyond TJS… advantage Thor.
rct
Verlander’s career ERA+ is 129. Syndergaard has literally one full season better than Verlander’s *career* ERA+. And it was *five* years ago. I’m a Mets fan who loves Syndergaard but the clear advantage goes to Verlander.
They’re both short deals. Age isn’t really relevant. Skill/ability is.
Angels & NL West
Verlander has clearly had the better career to date… a HOF for sure. For 2022, I would prefer the guy that is 10 years younger, has 2300 fewer IP on his arm and is an extra six months post TJS.
amk1920
Astros got robbed by Verlander’s last extension and they really said “let’s do it again”
Hawkeye75
You only say that because he got hurt. If he hadn’t, his contract was in line with #1 starter pay, which he was. This contract is almost 10 million less per season. SMH
CalcetinesBlancos
I think the part about getting hurt was the point.
amk1920
That’s the point. He got 60 million to pitch 6 innings and they lined right back up to give him 50 guaranteed for his age 39-40 seasons
rememberthecoop
News flash: Pitchers get hurt.
SportsFan0000
They did not get robbed. Verlander carried the Astros on his back to the playoffs and a World Series title. Trust me. It is worth it. Can’t load money into the mausoleum at the cemetery.
Camden453
Maybe the Mets not having a GM is actually helping the Mets
❤️ MuteButton
The Astros must be convinced he’s all the way back.
TwinsFan1124
His showcase must have been fantastic. 2/50 after coming off TJS. Most pitchers need a season to get their arm tuned back in.
Camden453
Not JV. He’s married to Kate Upton
stros1fan
His surgery was in September 2020 so he’s had a season to get his arm tuned back in.
The Baseball Fan
Dang it white Sox
Dumpster Divin Theo
Why? Asshat wouldn’t have meshed with that clubhouse
rpoabr
Wow, with a player option for $25 more? The Thor deal suddenly looks good!
LordD99
Player option only gets taken if he has a bad year.
DarkSide830
which isnt a possibility?
Dutch
I think that’s the point made above. It’s all risk on the club.
LordD99
@Dutch, yes. Great deal for Verlander. The Astros had to commit $50M whether he throws a single pitch, and he can walk away after 2022 to become a free agent if he has a good year. All the risk is on the Astros. There had to be strong interest in his services from other clubs.
jerseystrongsports
Only thing to say is “Cory Kluber” has to make it through the season healthy. Hope he can.
to4
I though he was going to join the Tigers. Such a petty !
coolhandneil
Tom?
mike156
$50 M guarantee for a 39 year old coming off two seasons lost to injury. I wish him well–he was exciting at his peak. But that’s a lot of guarantee.
LordD99
Intrigue!
Fg-3
JV was not cut out for New York anyway. But it would have been nice to team up with Cole. Cash will figure something out. We always get our 90-95 wins. It would just be nice to have a serious 1-2 punch in playoffs
goastros123
It’s good to have confidence and faith in your favorite team. You got my respect.
Hawkeye75
Cole has surprised me. I didn’t think he was cut out for the New York media for when he had a bad game. I like Cole, but did think he would have a regression–not all the way back to his Pittsburgh days, but I felt he would drop back some.
Ducky Buckin Fent
I have no problem picturing Verlander “handling New York”, or whatever, @Fg-3. He is – however – both sanctimonious & hypocritical. But I could have looked past all that.
& you’re right. Cash will. I expect – as usual – that we will be playing in October.
That’s just not how Cashman builds his pitching staffs though. So I have long ago given up hope on a dominant 1-2 at the top of the rotation. Hopefully Sevy, uh?
goastros123
Ducky, now that I got a taste of what it’s like to be a Yankees fan, I apologize for the way the Yankees fanbase has been treated in general.
Randy Marsh
Too bad 90-95 wins doesn’t mean win the World Series
Mario93
Guessing they outbid the Yankees and Jays. Honestly figured 50 million over two years gets it done. Overpay but other teams were interested.
SportsFan0000
If all bids were close, the JV just stays in Houston for various reasons including his very young family does not have to be uprooted for at least another year or 2
bravesnation nc
Hence why I didn’t even entertain the idea of of Verlander to the Braves
Orel Saxhiser
I’d have more faith in someone like Alex Wood or Steven Matz, both of whom will get a higher-than-usual AAV in this market.
For the Braves’ sake, I hope Soroka can eventually return and be his old self. He’s one of my favorite pitchers to watch.
Geno55
I think the Angels will try to sign Alex Wood
cpdpoet
Great for him…..If he wins @15 per season, he’ll go into the HOF with a blank cap….
Am thinking playing only for 2 teams in his career (may have) factored in……
….unless he does overperform…then his 3rd act will be something($) more…Any way you look at at it….guy is to be admired….
Hawkeye75
He’s going to have to pitch another 7-8 years to not go into the HoF in something other than a Tigers’ hat. I’d love to see him go in as an Astro, but he hasn’t been in Houston long enough to outweigh his Detroit years.
SportsFan0000
He probably goes in to the Hall with a Tigers cap since he spent most of his career there and piled up most of his stats and awards with the Tigers.
Tacoshells
Dang. Seems like an odd move considering all the holes in their line up and rotation. 25 mil for a pitcher who hasn’t pitched in two years. How will fill any other vacancies when they cry poor and can’t even offer their generational talented shortstop a respectable contract ?
Dustyslambchops23
“All the holes” he says about the reigning AL champs.
Also JV was on the books for this year at 33 mil, so they may not sign Correa but if they get story or semien to play SS they will be still be a top AL team easily
Fg-3
Yep they just don’t win the series without banging on garbage cans
quimmy
At least they know how to win a pennant.
SportsFan0000
Complete BS
Hawkeye75
That 10 million less, added to Correa’s already 15 million, plus 10 million of Grienke’s 35 and there’s the Correa money. Astros would have to let Grienke walk, but the money is there to resign Correa.
Dumpster Divin Theo
“All the holes”- well said Dustylambchops. The reigning AL Champs do have a lot of A-holes on that club. And just re-added one more.
LaBalaDePlata
Holes???
stros1fan
Lol. They had the best offense in baseball in 2021 and the 5th best rotation. This is an embarrassingly bad take.
❤️ MuteButton
You sound bitter. It’s only baseball right?
TommyLasutton
Wonder if this is a signal to Correa.
astros_fan_84
A bit of an overpay, but Jim Crane wants an elite SP in the rotation. The question though: is JV still an elite SP?
I’m happy to find out.
DarkSide830
$25 player option at that age yeah no thanks
LordD99
The downside of that player option is he only trips it if he has a bad year. A good year and he goes back out into the market. That indicates interest was quite strong from other teams.
allweatherfan
Don’t worry. He’ll have a good year and opt out.
Chemo850
That’s a pretty terrible deal. 25 per year at his age coming off TJ surgery? I get he’s Justin Verlander but no thanks. I much would have rather to take the gamble on Noah instead. Much younger and likely to be more productive next year.
Randy Marsh
What makes you say it’s likely Thor is better. Last time they were both healthy verlander was Thor’s daddy
dasit
dang it. really thought the yankees had a shot. don’t see them giving scherzer what he’ll need to leave LA so i guess yankee nation turns its lonely eyes to severino
Orel Saxhiser
As a Dodger fan, I have mixed emotions about Scherzer possibly coming back. While he’s been marvelously consistent, we as fans know these guys don’t last forever. Kershaw is another dilemma. At some point, it’s not worth it to give him $30M per year.
lumber and lighting
Multi millionaire with a pin up sidekick.I thought all the trash can remarks and constant hate from every city on the circuit.Maybe a veteran would slide out and be gonzo,move on.But I think it’s much respect and hard as funk staying the course.
fred-3
This is insane. $25M for a 40 year old coming off of TJS
Orel Saxhiser
Fred, all of us on this board picked the wrong field to make a living. We should have become player agents.
fred-3
No kidding
Orel Saxhiser
Fred, do you by chance throw left-handed?
fred-3
I’m a ROOGY, unfournately
Orel Saxhiser
I emailed Billy Eppler and will get back to you.
Hawkeye75
So much for all the MLB “experts” at ESPN and other places who had Verlander going to the Angels, Dodgers, Yankees, Braves or Tigers. NO ONE had him resigning. Kind of shows what the media thinks of Houston, but so what—Astros will be in the thick of it for a World Series title again in 2022!!
Fg-3
And lose again! Lol only won when y’all cheated
goastros123
I’ll gladly celebrate that championship.
Dumpster Divin Theo
Whee. Celebrate. While the rest of baseball mocks you
JayKay
♫ Rent free in your head.. ♫
goastros123
And that response is an example of why we’re not humble, self-contrite, etc, Theo. You don’t deserve to see us humble ourselves.
bobtillman
Once every 5 years the owners do this to convince the fans that THEIR side of the CBA fight is right. “Look at what we have to pay these guys!!!! We can’t buy our kids their Pop Tarts because of these salaries!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!”
I’m sure the shadow commissioners (John Henry, Jerry Riesendorf(sp) et al and the titular comish (Mafred) are telling the other owners “Pay up….we’ll get it back”.
Luke Strong
So glad it was the Astros who will be the ones who get burned by him. TJ surgery takes two years to recover from. The first season back is always rough, and by the time he accepts that option for the second year of this contract, the Astros will only wish they’d never offered the contract to begin with.
SportsFan0000
He already is in the 2nd year of recovery. Many pitchers come back even better than before TJ
DodgerOK
That’s just stupid money spent on a 39 year old coming off major arm surgery.
lumber and lighting
33 million last yr.25 million this yr. Guaranteed! Haven’t thrown a pitch in 2 yrs.Damn good work if you can get it!
Louholtz22
A little surprising but not a shock. Not sure if he wanted to go to NY and deal with the media, if he struggles. Getting the feel for pitches is tricky the first year back. Plus at 40, who knows.
Orel Saxhiser
The media isn’t the problem in New York. It’s the early morning rattle of those damn garbage trucks.
I would have said trash trucks but didn’t want to be accused of picking on the Astros.
Randy Marsh
Nobody wants to play for the Yankees it’s that simple. It’s a sinking ship with a time bomb that will explode as soon as that letter gets exposed
rocky7
The Yankees were NEVER going to pay him $25 million per in a 2 year contract……way over the top overpay but hey the Astros are willing to gamble and well have to see how this works out!
bradthebluefish
Quite the contract for a soon-to-be 39 year old.
Orel Saxhiser
He has everything a 39-year-old man could wish for, doesn’t he?
tigerdoc616
Well, that was anticlimactic. But honestly, I felt he would resign with them.
Dustyslambchops23
We can all say that the age and the surgery is a risk and it is, but I don’t think I can bet against this guy.
Doxie
Guess the Braves got edged out by one year and 35 million.
JLinTexas
Yahoo!
prov356
Good for Verlander. That’s a good deal at his age coming off TJ. He must have really impressed at his showcase. Too bad the Angels will still have to deal with him. I like the loyalty on both sides.
Chemo850
He didn’t, that’s the problem. I believe he was topping out at 95 mph according to reports. We’ll see how he builds up over the season, but if he’s maxing out at 95 then he might be in trouble. This guy has lived in the high 90s his entire career. Not a great time to be reinventing his style of pitching
itsgonnahappen
97. It’s not difficult to use Google when you’re already online
ArianaGrandSlam
There must be a reason he HAD to sign with the Astros, something to do with the sticky stuff.
Yep it is
Funny a Yankees fan would say “ sticky stuff” when they couldn’t wait to sign Gerriit “:Sticky King” Cole
SportsFan0000
Maybe it was because he has a wife and a young child and he does not want to move?! He knows the Astros team, Owner, players, fans. He likes and respects Dusty Baker. He wants to show the World that Astros were not a fluke in 2017?!
Redwood13
Best chance to get back to the World Series
sufferforsnakes
Insane, insane again.
Braves Butt-Head
My question is how is this going to fly with his Astro teammates from what had been reported is that they did not want him there and went to the owner and demanded that he not throw out the 1st pitch against the white Sox during the playoffs.
SportsFan0000
JV is a team leader. The other players will fall in line. Dusty won’t have it any other way.
Yep it is
Glad a player who has. made over $200 million in a career can get some “ financial security” with that extra year.
Matt_Angel_Bronco_Laker
Not gonna lie, I genuinely didn’t think he’d return to the Astros. I had the Yankees getting him. Good luck to him, but not the Astros.
lumber and lighting
Verlander has been working out hard under Kate tutelage.So he’s in excellent shape.
Rsox
Not surprising at all. Justin is comfortable there and honestly outside of a return to Detroit i doubt many people thought he would go elsewhere
VegasSDfan
That’s a great deal for Verlander considering he hasn’t pitched since 2019
SportsFan0000
AJ Preller makes much worse deals all the time.
VegasSDfan
I can’t say we have any 25 million dollar players that have not played since 2019.
Randy Marsh
No but you can say myers and hosmer. Yikes how’s that hosmer deal working out
mario crosby
I guess the Astros outbid the Pirates. Bob Nutting was all over this one.
j_butte
If the Astros sign a decent shortstop to replace Correa they can easily be back in the WS. With Verlander this year they might have won it.
SportsFan0000
Astros can make it back to the WS even without signing another SS.
OR they can trade for another infielder.
OR they can promote one of their young prospects.
Astros have the offense to compete with any team..
A shutdown starter like Verlander means the difference between an AL Championship and a World Series Championship.
Altuves Buzzer
That’s too bad…..he had the chance to get out…..choosing to stick around validates his support of the franchise’s mishaps (Osuna, trash cans, buzzers)
SportsFan0000
Cashman is still in New York after the Yankees CHEATED THEIR WAY TO 5 WS TITLES WITH DRUGGED UP, ROIDED UP ROSTER AND PLAYERS.
A drugged up/roided up roster full of players is much worse than stealing a few signs.
Most teams steal signs.
The Yankees and Red Sox have had video rooms stealing and decoding signs for over a decade according to media reports.
Google it.
Thomas E Snyder
Two out of 3 ain’t bad.
LGStros
Which team do you root for? I’m sure they don’t have any mishaps or skeletons in their closet.
SportsFan0000
Cashman is still in New York after the Yankees CHEATED THEIR WAY TO 5 WS TITLES WITH DRUGGED UP, ROIDED UP ROSTER AND PLAYERS.
GarryHarris
Good! He didn’t return to MoTown.
Baseball_dude
They just gave $50 million to a guy who’s basically 40 years old and didn’t pitch last year.. good deal ♂️
Redwood13
Why is he a fool? He was a rookie in 2017, you don’t rock the boat your first year in the big league.
Redwood13
Who just threw 94 to 97 MPH in front of 3/4 of the teams in the league that were interested in him
eyeball710
Expecting this signing to be a shining example of what is already a embarrassing franchise to the sport.
Baseball_dude
They just made it back to the WS.. I don’t hear anybody still complaining about Boston when they got caught cheating (and I’m not a huge Astros fan)
LGStros
4 consecutive ALCS appearances & 3 WS appearances in the last 5 years.
Randy Marsh
* 5 AlCS
TellItGoodbye
Pick up some financial security?
Yes, because what kind of financial security would the poor fellah have had making only $18,400,000 in 2022? Now I won’t worry about him or his family. We can all rest easy knowing the Verlanders will have food on their table.
❤️ MuteButton
Fortunately, I get the feeling that JV really likes being an Astro. I think the Astros are smart for betting on him. Sports is funny and there’s no guarantees, but I like our odds.
hook316
BOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!
Vizionaire
CHEATERS!
LGStros
This is getting old & tired. If you honestly think they were the only team that was cheating in any way, then you really haven’t been paying attention.
JesusLizard44
Get used to it trashtros fans
goastros123
Keep being salty and stay mad.
Randy Marsh
How sad are you going to be when the a’s leave Oakland ? Will you still support the Las Vegas athletics ? No probably still be crying over the Astros
Tacoshells
Wait hahahha they lost their own pick for signing their own qualifed offer free agent??? What sense does that make. Isn’t the point of the QO to compensate the team losing the player with a draft pick? They aren’t losing their player!! Just signing him to a new deal but now lose a draft pick? I don’t remember it ever being this way. This needs to be fixed !
oldoak33
No
AnotherBravesFan
Not really surprised about this. Hoping we could of signed him. O well
gotigers68
I was hoping he’d return to Detroit. Verlander would’ve been a great role model for our young pitching staff…..
Old York
Nice signing. I look forward to two more championships for the Astros.
LGStros
I did not expect this, but glad that he’s staying and hope it works out.
Ron Tingley
Makes sense, VR guy and the stros have help him make an old man comeback after two dead season contracts. He’s will will reward them back. Stand up, especially when you have 25 mil reasons
msqboxer
Houstons window is now….I’m all for teams overpaying in the short term.