Justin Verlander will hold a showcase for scouts and evaluators tomorrow, The Athletic’s Britt Ghiroli reports (Twitter links). This is the first time Verlander will throw in front of evaluators from other teams since his Tommy John surgery in September 2020. Multiple teams are expected to have personnel on hand, if just as a matter of simple due diligence rather than a clear interest in signing Verlander on the free agent market. As WFAN’s Sweeny Murti observes, it probably safe to assume the Yankees will have personnel on hand — Verlander is throwing at a Cressey Sports Performance facility, and Eric Cressey is the Yankees’ director of player health and performance.
It stands to reason that Verlander will probably hold multiple showcases in order to prove that his arm has recovered from the TJ procedure, and that he’ll be ready to roll when Spring Training camps open. The timing of a second showcase could be particularly important, however, since Verlander has until November 17 to decide whether or not to accept the qualifying offer extended by the Astros today. If Verlander throws well and gets some good buzz coming out of Monday’s session, it could make him lean against taking the one-year, $18.4MM offer to return to Houston, if he gets an indication that at least one other club is interested in making him a more lucrative multi-year deal on the open market.
More from the free agent market….
- J.D. Martinez’s decision to pass on his opt-out clause will keep the veteran slugger in Boston for another season, though it doesn’t mean that free agent Kyle Schwarber is necessarily roadblocked from a return to the Red Sox. Chief baseball officer Chaim Bloom told reporters (including The Boston Globe’s Alex Speier) that the Sox have already been in touch with Schwarber and will continue to monitor his market throughout the winter. Martinez’s role as the regular DH and a fill-in outfielder might be the ideal spot for Schwarber, as while Schwarber did okay at first base for someone who had never played the position before, he probably isn’t a viable solution at first over the longer term (plus, the Sox have Bobby Dalbec and prospect Triston Casas ready for more first base time). However, Schwarber hit so well during his two-plus months in Boston that it isn’t surprising that the club will look to get creative in trying to find a fit for him in the lineup. For his part, Schwarber said after the ALCS that he would be interested in a return to the Sox.
- Despite Andrew Heaney’s very rough 2021 season, several teams are eyeing the left-hander as a possible bounce-back candidate. The New York Post’s Joel Sherman (Twitter link) lists the Blue Jays, Cardinals, Dodgers, and Nationals as some of the teams interested in the free agent hurler. Heaney still had above-average strikeout and walk rates last year, as most of his problems stemmed from an inability to avoid home runs — Heaney allowed a whopping 29 homers over his 129 2/3 innings with the Angels and Yankees.
CubsWin108
Nats should really grab Heaney, fits whatever path they’re choosing on going, if they’re retooling and expect to be somewhat competitive in 2022, he would be a good bounceback pitcher to help their season, if they’re planning on sucking for another year to get more prospects, he would be a good sell at the deadline. And if he sucks, he sucks they shouldn’t really care.
kodiak920
Logical. Flawlessly logical.
ironhead33
If he is already holding a showcase for teams, then why couldn’t he have helped the Astros in the World Series?
vtadave
Uh…..he was hurt genius.
cardsgoingyard
His point is that he’s holding a showcase less than a week after the WS. If he’s healthy enough now to pitch at near full strength, it stands to reason that he could have helped them in the WS.
i like al conin
Throwing a limited number of showcase pitches to an impromptu catcher is not close to pitching to MLB talent, especially in the playoffs and even as a RP. He clearly wasn’t ready.
OntariGro
Besides a workout for teams in mid-November being worlds different than throwing your first major league pitches in a year and a half in the World Series, and not worth the risk on either side, Verlander was ineligible for the postseason:
-The Astros hadn’t activated him from the 60-day IL
-a player that has not appeared in at least one game by September 1st is ineligible for the post-season active roster.
deweybelongsinthehall
That rule applies to those on your own injured list? I thought it was just to prevent teams from grabbing players from other teams endlessly.
spidertac
Every single word you said in that rule explanation is wrong
DarkSide830
Terrance Gore says hi.
fox471 Dave
Cards: do you really mean what you posted? Really?
cardsgoingyard
I’m just explaining his point, fellas. It’s not a dumb one at all. Obviously Verlander would have needed to be activated and yes, a showcase isn’t working 5 innings through 6 games. But it’s still a good point.
kellin
Heaney is a bad pitcher. I’ll laugh at all my Dodgers friends if he signs there..
Fever Pitch Guy
Well there ya go, everyone who said the Sox wouldn’t pursue Schwarber if JD didn’t opt out are WRONG.
KD17
FPG – Hey, it’s the most illogical move so it was a guarantee that Bloom would do it!! The stupidity NEVER ends with Bloom. JD wasn’t Bloom’s choice but a 3rd DH would be. A QO for E-Rod is a $10M over pay!!! For $18M the Red Sox could have gotten a real pitcher!!! SMH over and over at Bloom’s mistakes.
The stupidity never ends with Bloom.
deweybelongsinthehall
KD, I thought we started to play nice. The decision on ERod is about long term and right or wrong they still see at least a number two starter when healthy. No one knows what affect his heart had this year on his inability to go further in most starts. Hopefully, he’ll continue to strengthen his stamina.
As to KS, no one is saying Boston will ink him. Both sides have left the door open. I remember when Yaz moved from left field. KS can learn the position if he has to. Also, while I want JDM extended, he could be traded or become a free agent after 22. Decisions have to be made with both short and long term goals in mind
rocky7
As a Yankee fan, only hope the Sox sign KS and play him at first….”can learn the position if he has to”. Yikes…..with an average infield at best when they have competency at first defensively, this will mean lots more work by the pitching staff when somewhat routine plays don’t end up as outs!
His defensive liability will challenge his offensive plusses!
san888
Almost like having Sanchez catch….understood.
JoeBrady
deweybelongsinthehall
As to KS, no one is saying Boston will ink him.
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Same old same old. Some folks in here cannot accept being proven wrong. For all the doom and gloom predictions about ERod, he still had a 3.26 ERA in Aug-Sept. For that matter, he was good since mid-June with a 3.66 ERA. I’d love to be able to extend him for $42M/3, but I suspect he will get more than that.
Which, of course, is the purpose of the QO.. I’d make a serious wager that, assuming we don’t extend ERod, that he turns down the QO, putting another draft pick in our pocket. That’s all there really is to this. It’s all about maxing out the value of our assets.
Ducky Buckin Fent
Except just a little bit worse…
JoeBrady
Just out of curiosity, now that MLB-R has predicted $70M/5 for ERod, will the haters admit that they were wrong? It was always going to be wrong, imo. It was very unlikely ERod would get less than $42M/3.
But it’s nice to see the haters being corrected by MLR-B within a few hours, instead of dragging this out like they usually do.
JoeBrady
deweybelongsinthehall
The decision on ERod is about long term and right or wrong they still see at least a number two starter when healthy.
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The decision was always, always about whether or not ERod would accept.
It doesn’t matter if Bloom thinks he is an ace, or a #5. If his calculation is that ERod is declining the QO, then you automatically offer the QO. I’d have no problem with ERod accepting the QO, but even that doesn’t matter. All that matters is whether or not he declines.
Now all we have to do is wait to see if whether KD is right in thinking he is an $8M player, or whether MLB-R is right thinking he is a $70M player.
deweybelongsinthehall
Agreed but he may accept if his doctors say his heart will be stronger. A great 2922 and he could get #1 starter bucks. Remember no QO next year.
deweybelongsinthehall
I still think he accepts Joe (see above). With a strong 22 and no QO, his stock rises big time. He also enjoys playing for Cora so I think he stays. The question is do the sides want to compromise and lock him up long term?
JoeBrady
He is what he is. Other not getting another QO, he won’t improve his bargaining position. He’s a solid #2. Of course, he could get slightly better, but he could also get slightly worse. IRT to your other post, I’d like to keep him, but the MLB-R projection is a bit on the long side.
deweybelongsinthehall
I do agree but if he’s not on the 22 roster that’s a big hole. I realize 22 could have both Whitlock and Houck starting. I’m in the minority but I kind of like them potentially as a lockdown 8th and 9th inning pitchers.
KD17
Dewey – We are playing nice but the monster mistake by Bloom is beyond huge. A QO for a crap SP makes no sense. His last good year was 2019 and that was mediocre with good run support. Flashes of brilliance in the fall but horrible results earlier in the season speaks to how consistently E-Rod has been inconsistent in every season. There is no trend with this guy. He’s the same guy year in and year out. A 3.80 to 4.74 ERA and a 1.30 to 1.40 WHIP. He’s consistently mediocre with hot streaks and cold streaks. Is that worth $18.4M in payroll to ANY team? It shouldn’t be.
The White Sox are in the same cap situation and didn’t offer Carlos Rodon a QO!! Why not give the guy a big pay increase to $36M for 3 years and let E-Rod go? They are the same age and Rodon had a sub 3.00 ERA in 2021. If anyone earned a QO it was him so why not go get him and take the big upgrade for a lesser price?
Schwarber and JD can play LF in Boston. It’s the other 81 games where they are completely out of their element. I wasn’t suggesting you said get Schwarber I was simply saying Schwarber is ONE MORE deterrent to moving Devers to DH which should be Boston’s #1 priority for the sake of the pitching staff.
I love JD but I see no future in Boston because of Devers. If they want to keep him at 3B then I see no rings in Boston’s future. It’s that simple. You can’t hurt the pitching staff by playing Devers at 3B and expect to win. It’s not just the errors it’s the mishandled balls that don’t count as errors that add stress to the pitcher and dramatically increase pitch counts. We all know his bat is needed but everyone can see he can’t field at a major league level at 3B. The numbers don’t lie.
I am rooting for improvements this off season. I want an increase in talent but the E-Rod QO just used up most of the available money for 2022. It’s hard to believe since Peddy is finally off the books but Bloom has nickel and dimed the payroll in 2021 with lots of intermediate salaries for players who aren’t that good that there is nothing left over to replace Mookie’s skills. I was really hoping for Story to play 3B and Devers to DH and to trade JD for someone like Hendriks because Chicago has two closers and they need a full time DH like JD.
WIth E-Rod costing $18M there is no money under the cap to get Story. Story would also go a long way in securing insurance if Bogey were to opt out. Story would love hitting in Fenway and 12 to 24 less errors at 3B would make the pitchers happy.
I agree short term and long term goals need to be considered. I personally don’t think the big bats will all have big years two years in a row so the team should be closer to a 81 win team in 2022 due to the QO by E-Rod limiting their ability to improve.
Just remember, COVID is still present in the world and vaccines have deterred many from getting it but it’s not a guarantee and with E-Rods heart condition he’s a huge risk for $18.4M a year. They wasted $8.3M in 2021 on him. Money that could have been better spent. 2022 may bring the total of wasted money to $26.7M over two years on a 3.80 ERA pitcher with a high risk situation related to COVID. For me, that’s not smart spending. Not enough money to keep Mookie but enough money to piss away $26.7M on a #5 SP pretending to be a #2 SP. What a joke.
deweybelongsinthehall
Let’s see if ERod takes the money. if he doesn’t, Bloom looks great. Money is not Boston’s issue although to again cross the threshold line it will have to be someone special. Where you lose me is while I too would prefer someone else at third, Boston already has one ring with Devers at third. As a team, he’s not holding the Sox back by playing third. St. Louis had the defense this year and how did they do?
KD17
Dewey = If you think back to 2018 Cora benched Devers for being so bad defensively in August which prompted a winning streak that pushed them far enough ahead to win it.
Why put the burden on the pitching by leaving him there? That’s why I want him moved. It’s the same reason I’ve had since 2018. Marginal could be accepted but he’s downright bad. The problem with him and E-Rod is that fans see their brilliant moments and forget the majority of the time when they are far from brilliant.
The worst defender versus an entire team of good defenders in St. Louis isn’t really a fair comparison. I’m not looking to make the Red Sox the best team defensively, I’m going for the lowest hanging fruit to make the defense better. It was pointed out many times just how bad the Red Sox defense was in 2021. I believe Bogaerts metrics will improve when Devers is no longer at 3B because of Devers’ inability to decide which balls to go for between him and the SS. He errors on the aggressive side which significantly downgrades Bogaerts range metric.
I hope some bad GM signs E-Rod to a multi=year deal and Boston gets smart and grabs a two-year deal with Verlander for $40M. Almost the same money but a huge upgrade from E-Rod. Then, trading JD for Hendricks would solve the closer problem. So the pitching would look strong and that would be a significant upgrade like I have been talking about. Signing a guy like K Seager and moving Devers to DH could round out the moves and keep the team under the cap.
I also hope Duran stays in the minors until he can hit .300 at AAA. Then, move Kiki back to 2B and have a very inexpensive outfield for several years.
badco44
Has Bloom been perfect? No but he hasn’t taken on a 10 year contract either like all the others seemed to have done and it’s blown up in their face like Price or Panda. I’m no fan of ERod, he nibbles too much for my liking and hangs too much center cut pitches. Yes he had a good 3020 but his 2021 was well below par ERA wise or clutch wise
downeysoft42
Erod didn’t even pitch in 2020.
Fever Pitch Guy
He said 3020, not 2020.
Therefore he’s not wrong for at least the next 999 years.
Jaa1968
They can always Trade JD, Resign KS. Move Devers to 1st, Malbec to 3rd. And get some pitching
JoeBrady
They can switch Devers and Malbec anytime they want, no matter what happens with JD/KS.
They can trade JD and sign KS, but what does that do for us? All it does is to exchange a one-year liability for a 3- or 4-year liability.
Jaa1968
I can see both sides
GASoxFan
KD save your bullets. Plenty of time for bloom to do bloom stuff through the offseason that will need calling out.
Meantime, erod, motivated, on a one year deal, compared to the normal SP moves like richards/perez, and having a one year pact of someone who fits in the clubhouse?
Let me ask this. If someone said they’d trade Erod for Perez+Richards, woulda you do it? I would.
Besides, the ridiculous babip fueled by bloom trading away GG defenders didn’t help.
Benintendi hit around a 107 ops+ give or take a few pts? Won a GG.
Sure, trade that, PLUS salary attached, for… franchy cordero (and lottery tickets). Who I think tried to win a GG on his ps4 since he wasn’t playing meaningful baseball anywhere else.
deweybelongsinthehall
Trading Benny was the right move. AV was more or less Benny and more clutch. Add in there would not have been room for Renfroe if Benny stayed. Never mind the guys who haven’t arrived yet and I’d make that same trade every time. Benny was kept one year to long as it was. His value was higher the year before. The fact that you didn’t mention. that point GA shows a lacking on your part. Anyone who has not liked Bloom’s body of work so far simply doesn’t understand you sometimes have to take a step back to then jump three steps forward. The Sox were known to be on a 2020 tax crunch rebuild and probably benefitted from the pandemic more than any team outside of the Dodgers.
KD17
dewey – You think Verdugo is more clutch? Seriously? Benny played multiple seasons for the Red Sox. He made the most clutch play of the year against Houston in 2018 and his early seasons had him making many clutch hits. Your memory of Benny is not accurately summarizing his entire time in Boston. I guess 2019 is your only memory of him. Verdugo, he’s a Benny clone without the clutch factor. A couple of hits in the playoffs THIS YEAR seems to over shadow all of Benny’s clutch hits over several years.
Verdugo is a younger version of Benny but came to Boston on the Mookie deal not the Benny deal. So there was a big step down from Mookie to Verdugo and then another big step down from Benny to Cordero. You can mismatch the deals but it’s not fooling anyone. Two huge screw-ups by Bloom.
I hate when you rationalize piss poor behavior by Bloom. He’s a Svengali to you. He didn’t have to step back he had a team in it’s prime that won a ring less than 2 years earlier. Now, he made a fake run in 2021 that can’t be sustained or improved upon until he adds talent. Signing E-Rod isn’t an add of talent it’s a perpetuation of mediocrity. You can’t possibly look at E-Rod’s numbers and say “Boy now that’s a $18.4M dollar pitcher!!”
The tax crunch rebuild is a rationalization not a real reason for giving up Mookie, Price, Benny and others. Bloom wants to stamp this team as his own so he like many new people in charge in any company want to put their people in place. Unfortunately, his people are weak compared to the people DD put in place. Until that changes, Boston will be the fourth best team in the division from a talent perspective. Remember, talent wins games more consistently than luck.
It almost appears as if Bloom is waiting to make moves when guys like Mayer are ready to play. Until then, he’s going to continue to tinker like a TB GM does. Small time changes and a hope that 2020 wasn’t the future but 2021 was. Personally, I think the future will land half way in between until new talent is acquired to replace Mookie.
deweybelongsinthehall
Benny had an amazing catch but the first 1.5 years in a Sox uniform or 2.5 years total? Verdugo to me has been the more consistent player
Add in the salary for 21 and 22 as well as the others on the roster, and I’m very happy. The negative? Neither can really play center but AV wasn’t drafted as a center fielder.
KD17
Dewey – The Renfroe deal worked out well for Boston but Benny, Verdugo and Hernandez would have worked too, especially if the Red Sox hitting coaches retracted their demand that Benny hit for more power and allowed him to be old Benny. Fenway was a great place for original Benny.
For me, there was no reason to move Benny except to stamp the team Bloom’s not a carryover from DD. Coupling the Benny move with the Mookie deal and the outfield overall suffered severely since Bloom arrived. That’s a simple unbiased opinion about the outfield’s regression since Bloom arrived. I’m not saying it’s bad, just not as good as it was..
Bloom probably didn’t think of his stint in Boston as being no more than 5 years but fans know even successful GMs don’t last to five years. If the team won with a mostly DD leftover team then Bloom wouldn’t be able to take credit. Politics and job security don’t justify the Benny deal in my mind especially with all the issues at pitching that existed.
When I evaluate the performance of a GM I look for how well he fills the holes, how well he changes the culture, how well he upgrades the talent and how well he upgrades the farm system graduation rate and timing. That’s one person’s view on how to judge a GM.
That’s why he is not doing well in my mind. Holes haven’t been filled, the talent level hasn’t risen, the culture for Latin players has been improved at the expense of the black and white players and the farm system’s best add came from a disastrous 2020 shortened season not a great choice during any specific round. Bloom lucked out that Mayer dropped to Boston in the 2021 draft. We are all thankful for that luck.
It’s all the other choices that are questionable considering the alleged drafting acumen that was tied to Bloom before he arrived. I am extremely pleased that Yorke has started quickly in the minors and I hope he along with Mayer are the middle infield for a dozen years when they are ready. Downs clearly wasn’t the commodity he purchased from LAD. Verdugo has been solid but not great and Wong was never anything more than a journeyman back-up catcher. That’s why the Mookie deal which allowed LAD to have the inside track on a long term deal will haunt Red Sox fans for years. I keep hoping Bloom can pull off a deal that makes the Mookie deal less painful. That hasn’t happened so far in his first 2 years.
outinleftfield
mlbtraderumors.com/2021/11/top-50-mlb-free-agent-r…
Who could they have gotten that was better according to this list?
KD17
outinleftfield – Great link!! SO MANY MANY better choices and hopefully the fools that wrote the article you linked to are right that some idiot would pay E-Rod a contract for over $10M per year.
If Verlander is wanting two years for $40M why not spend $20M on a proven commodity not a journeyman SP like E-Rod? Heck, spend $40M and get both Scherzer and Verlander for a couple of years!!! I bet the Dodgers and Yankees are considering it.
Behaving like a small market team then wasting money on E-Rod is such a contradiction of direction. Either go big or go home. Don’t go half way with mediocre players.
deweybelongsinthehall
Scherzer is staying in LA. if there’s one person I don’t see moving, it’s him. Sort of blows up your idea KD. Also JV is a wild card. you want to tie up $75m the next two years on Sale and JV? That’s a gamble not many will take.
deweybelongsinthehall
I may have misread your post KD. I though you said $40m for each Scherzer and JV. Max will get close on a short term deal from LA. No idea on JV but I would not pay much with Sale already in the rotation.
KD17
Dewey – I read that Verlander is seeking 2 years at $20M per year. When I think of that versus E-Rod at $18.4M it’s a no brainer, grab Verlander. I really have my fingers crossed that Bloom read the market correctly that E-Rod will get a multi=year deal from someone else. If so, I will applaud his move.
JoeBrady
Fever Pitch Guy
Well there ya go, everyone who said the Sox wouldn’t pursue Schwarber if JD didn’t opt out are WRONG.
==================================
Wrong? Did we just sign him or something? Here is what Bloom said:
“and will continue to monitor his market throughout the winter.”
That generally means we have no interest in the guy, but want to be polite about it. So long as JD is here, we don’t have a fulltime opening for KS. As long as there as there are no F/T openings, there is no way we pay him $54M/3 or whatever he gets.
Fever Pitch Guy
Joe – I think it’s a matter of getting Schwarber at the right price, and how other possible moves shake out, that’s what he means by monitoring. Bloom will not express enthusiasm or a strong desire to retain any free agent, he’s not that dumb when it comes to negotiations.
Let’s assume for argument’s sake that Bloom has no intention of signing JD beyond next year. If he really likes Kyle, he’s not going to give up trying to sign him to a multi-year contract (prob 3 or 4 years) just because of one year left with JD. It’s not about just 2022, it’s about 2022-2024 and beyond.
You seem to think there’s no chance of anyone playing mostly OF for the Red Sox next year except Verdugo, Renfroe and Hernandez. I still believe there’s a chance one of them won’t.
One of the best ways to restock a farm system is to trade solid ML players for prospects and then sign free agents to replace them. Just because Dugie and Renfroe are solid players, it doesn’t make them untouchable.
JoeBrady
Bloom is not trading away any current players for prospects. We were two games away from the WS. Which is also the same reason we won’t sign KS, unless we manage to trade JD. We need a closer and a top-tier SP more than we need another bat.
PutPeteinthehall
Kinda doubt he’s ready for game action and to throw 30 to 100 pitches at max effort. It’s been fourteen months. The usual time frame is 18 for a full recovery. Naturally some recover faster than others. This is one pitcher to never count out. HOF. BTW he’s never entered a game after the first inning.
Thomas E Snyder
Verlander entered in the 5th inning against Boston on October 9, 2017, and earned the win.
Jaa1968
That was then. He’s nit worth the money or the risk. Robbie Ray, Rendon. Etc
rhswanzey
If Kike is willing to play a lot of both second and center while being an every day starter, I would consider essentially platooning Schwarber and Arroyo, as an offense/defense platoon instead of a strictly handedness platoon.
vs RHP: LF Schwarber, CF Verdugo, 2B Kike. Arroyo is the defensive replacement at 2B, shifting Kike to CF and Verdugo to LF. Squeeze Schwarber’s bat into the lineup, then upgrade defensively at three positions close/late.
vs LHP: Arroyo starts full time at 2B, and one of Verdugo/Schwarber sits – although both will play together against lefties fairly often due to days off for other players, etc.
Advantages of this arrangement center on maximizing Arroyo without having to count on him staying healthy. He can hit lefties well and while his glove is definitely good enough to play him against righties, he’s not a good enough hitter against righties that you have to play him all the time R v R. And if he gets hurt again, Kike becomes the full time 2B and you’re running a very good lineup down there, albeit with a little less glove. This team is going to need some 2B insurance on health risk, while at the same time leaving room for a healthy Arroyo to play a helluva lot.
deweybelongsinthehall
Problem with Arroyo is he can’t stay on the field. I’d be happy with Iglesias returning understanding his bat in September cannot be duplicated next year. While he may have lost a step, he still was great in the field and seemed to have a re-birth coming back to the team that he came up with. He never wanted to leave in 13.
Fever Pitch Guy
No team that gives Schwarber $60-$70M is going to platoon him, unless he becomes Chris Davis bad. It would be a massive waste of money.
Rsox
Heaney is exactly what the Dodgers need: another starter who can’t stay healthy…
Yankee Clipper
He’s actually better when not healthy.
Ducky Buckin Fent
He is at his best – however – when he is absolutely nowhere near the mound
JoeBrady
Okay, no way around it-he sucked for you guys.
But since every debate needs a devil’s disciple, let me lead with my chin. I think Heaney is worth a lottery ticket, and then some.
Over the past four years, fairly consistently, Heaney is #33 in K/W. It is not a perfect tool, but guys with a almost 4/1 K/W are almost always successful. I have my Pivetta rose-colored glasses on, but I’d like to see the RS ink him up to a two-year commitment to be a long guy/ #6.
Ducky Buckin Fent
Well, that’s that.
Dodgers are with you, Brady. Personally, I was all for your plan of bringing him to Boston.
JoeBrady
Apparently, the Dodgers saw my post and acted before Bloom could.
That said, $8M is pretty rich. I was thinking $8M/2. I like his upside, but for $8M, he has to look like a real pitcher.
louwhitakerisahofer
Kyle from Waltham is about to become Kyle from the Bronx.
san888
Just what the Yankees need. Another DH.
Deleted_User
How much more $ could JDM have gotten if his contract never had any opt-outs. I’m assuming the Red Sox didn’t give him the opt-outs without getting some kind of financial offset in exchange because to do that would be, for lack of a better word, stupid.
deweybelongsinthehall
Who knows how the negotiations went? DD was basically bidding against himself that off season and the opt outs could have been added after the team made their “final offer”. Simply no way to know.
GASoxFan
The tradeoff for the optouts was protection for the redsox should JDM have recurring problems related to prior foot issues.
There was a deal without opt outs in principle.
Red sox later wanted a chance to get out if there were chronic problems. Jd/Boras said OK, but we want opt outs of our own. Sox agreed.
If you look back, JD held a dance and the red sox were the only ones who showed up. Nobody else came to the party at his price of admission. No money left on the table, and no discounts for opt outs we know of based on reporting at the time comparing pre and post opt out terms.
san888
Redsox could never opt out. It was a player only opt out.
brucenewton
Heaney’s an extreme fly ball pitcher. He needs a large park and a fleet defense. Not sure what Cashman was thinking, per usual.
BobGibsonFan
If verlander is holding a showcase, I get the impression hes not excited to return. If he were, he would just accept the QO.
deweybelongsinthehall
He still can accept it but given his age, he probably wants to see if a multi year offer is potentially out there. He’s likely not moving for a one year deal unless it’s back “home” or maybe to a location. where Heidi has business opportunities.
playhard9
Kate might wonder who Heidi is.
deweybelongsinthehall
lol. I stand corrected. After all I never looked at the captions…
Fever Pitch Guy
No need to wonder, it’s Heidi Watney.
And Kate should have reason to worry.
deweybelongsinthehall
Heidi Watney, the first Red Sox sideline reporter I believe. I caught her on IT today and she was great. Reminds me of Kim Jones. Those in NY know how good Kim is on the air. Heidi today for one day was as good as Chris Rose was. Millar wasn’t there. I haven’t really watched the show since Rise left but I’m glad I caught it today. Watney and Casey had great on air chemistry and hopefully will be on the air more often together.
Mystery Team
Kate hasn’t had any business opportunities(acting) in a while it seems so I don’t believe that will factor in to any decisions. As for Heidi well who knows what the future holds for her.
deweybelongsinthehall
See my response above. My bad.
Fever Pitch Guy
dewey – Too late to backtrack my friend.
Every male Red Sox fan knows EXACTLY who “Heidi” is.
deweybelongsinthehall
I wasn’t thinking of Watney at least not consciously. I did watch IT today so maybe she was on my mind. Thank God the wife doesn’t monitor my threads…
Joseph Gonzalez
Heaney is absolutely awful and is the poster boy for why analytics can so overrated. Cashman snagged him as the analytics and advanced numbers suggested that he was unlucky in 2021 but lo and behold he absolutely stunk the joint with us and costed us a few games cause Boone was a fool to bring him in some close games smh
solaris602
I like how Heaney is being viewed as a bounce back candidate. First you have to have achieved success previously, and that part of the equation is missing.
angt222
Good timing for JV to have that showcase.
KYLE LLEWELLYN
Heidi? You mean Kate?
Crunchtime1969
I read an article yesterday that predicted Verlander and Scherzer will both sign with the Giants. Can you imagine? The Giants have the dollars.
Bob Sacamano 310
He’s 38, has thrown 6 innings the last 2 seasons combined, and has a 1 year $18.4 mill offer in hand right now. Does he really need a showcase? No one is beating the QO.
Beast0830
Greeeeeedddddddd
Beast0830
Yanks should sign him.
Beast0830
Verlander is great.
17dizzy
That’s all the Cardinals needs!!! Another project pitcher who can’t throw strikes and gives up 29 homeruns!!!
The Cardinals already has plenty of them already!!!!!
Old York
Jays need pitching to back up that offense. They can’t rely on their bullpen to eat up all the innings and be gassed at the end of the year. Verlander, Kershaw & Scherzer to the Blue Jays..
jessaumodesto
Can you be a bounce back candidate if you’ve never been good?
solaris602
EXACTLY!!!!
eyeball710
Heaney…..Braves.
mlbnyyfan
If Heaney wins 20 games next year. Yankees need to fire all coaches.