The first of what Angels fans hope will be multiple rotation additions is in the books, as the Halos announced a one-year agreement with free-agent righty Noah Syndergaard. The 29-year-old will reportedly collect a $21MM salary in 2022 before re-testing the free agent market next offseason.
Syndergaard received an $18.4MM qualifying offer from the Mets last week, and his agreement with the Angels effectively amounts to rejecting that offer. As such, the Angels will forfeit their second-highest selection in next year’s draft. The Mets, meanwhile, will receive a compensatory draft pick after the completion of Competitive Balance Round B (typically in the No. 75 overall range).
Syndergaard has scarcely pitched since the completion of the 2019 season thanks to 2020 Tommy John surgery and a series of setbacks in his recovery this year. He did make it back to the mound for two innings of bullpen work with the Mets late in the 2021 campaign, at least demonstrating that he was healthy enough to pitch in a big league game.
The general hope had been that he’d be recovered from surgery and rejoin the Mets’ rotation around June, but Syndergaard’s recovery was shut down on May 27 due to inflammation in his surgically repaired elbow. He resumed throwing about six weeks later but was again set back — this time by a positive Covid-19 test.
When healthy, Syndergaard has proven to be one of the more dynamic pitchers in the game. The 6’6″, 242-pound righty is one of the more physically imposing pitchers in MLB and, at his peak, boasted the velocity to match that frame. Syndergaard averaged a blistering 98.1 mph on his heater from 2015-19, pitching to a combined 3.31 ERA and 3.37 SIERA along the way. The big righty finished fourth in NL Rookie of the Year voting in ’15 and finished eighth in Cy Young voting during an All-Star 2016 season.
At his best, Syndergaard combines that elite velocity with high-end strikeout rates and plus walk rates. He’s fanned a hearty 26.4% of career opponents against just a 5.6% walk rate — including a career-best 29.3% strikeout rate in that All-Star 2016 season. Syndergaard has never walked more than 6.1% of his opponents in a given season, and he’s also kept the ball on the ground at an above-average 49% clip in 718 career innings.
It’s that lack of innings, of course, that is the primary red flag on Syndergaard at present. In addition to the 2020 Tommy John surgery and series of 2021 setbacks, Syndergaard was limited to just seven starts in 2017, owing to a torn lat muscle. He also missed time in 2018 due to some ligament damage in his pitching hand.
With that context in mind, Syndergaard falls in line with some recent rotation additions by the Angels: high-upside, high-risk arms on a one-year deal (e.g. Matt Harvey, Julio Teheran). That comes in spite of a new general manager — Perry Minasian replaced Billy Eppler to begin the 2020-21 offseason — though one would imagine that this is the first of multiple pieces Minasian and his staff will add this winter. It remains possible that the Angels will add a starter on a multi-year deal. Still, the Angels have had longstanding rotation issues but nevertheless repeatedly eschewed long-term deals for pitchers, suggesting at least some aversion to such deals on owner Arte Moreno’s behalf.
To be fair, none of the short-term rotation additions the Angels have made in recent years carry the same upside as Syndergaard on a one-year contract. Minasian has vowed to “significantly” improve his team’s starting staff in 2022, and a healthy Syndergaard would be a clear step in that direction. He’ll join Shohei Ohtani atop the rotation for the time being, but that duo would require greater workload management than most top-of-the-rotation pairs throughout the league. As such, it wouldn’t be a surprise to see the Angels also target some more reliable bulk innings with their next addition — be it on the free-agent market or via the trade market.
Beyond Ohtani and Syndergaard, the Angels have plenty of promising arms but little in the way of established MLB hurlers. Young lefties Patrick Sandoval and Jose Suarez both showed well in 2021 but tallied fewer than 100 frames apiece. Fellow southpaw Reid Detmers was a first-round pick in 2020 and is viewed as one of baseball’s top pitching prospects, but he was hit hard in his 2021 MLB debut. Former top prospect Griffin Canning ought to get another look after some injuries and struggles have deflated his stock, and righty Jaime Barria gives the Angels a solid back-of-the-rotation option as well.
With a return to form by Syndergaard and another healthy season of Ohtani, it’s easy to see this staff being the best the Angels have had in recent memory. At the same time, that’s a lot to bank on. Given the injury risk strewn throughout this group and the general attrition rate of young pitchers, it’s equally plausible that the Angels could again find themselves scrambling to piece things together. Syndergaard is quite arguably as great an upside play as there is on this offseason’s market, but the Angels still have some heavy lifting to do on the rotation front if they hope to finally piece together the reliable staff that has eluded them in recent years.
The Syndergaard signing gives the Angels six guaranteed contracts on next year’s books, totaling a hefty $129.95MM just among that group. A small arbitration class works in their favor and brings the team’s projected payroll into the $150MM range, however, even after accounting for a slate of pre-arbitration players to round out the roster. That should leave room for at least one more significant addition on the starting staff (perhaps two, if one comes via trade).
As for the Mets, the loss of Syndergaard and the potential loss of fellow free agent Marcus Stroman — another reported Angels target — leaves them with ample questions in their own rotation. Jacob deGrom is the game’s best pitcher but missed significant time due to injury in 2021. Carlos Carrasco’s brief Mets tenure has been punctuated by injury troubles, and Taijuan Walker wilted after a terrific first half. The Mets have younger options in the rotation themselves (e.g. David Peterson, Tylor Megill), but they’ll surely be on the hunt for upgrades after being spurned by Syndergaard.
Jon Morosi of MLB.com reported the sides were nearing agreement on a contract. Jeff Passan of ESPN reported the sides had agreed on a one-year, $21MM deal.
Photo courtesy of Imagn/USA Today Sports.
D*ckin the dog
Great headline to wake up to! Today’s going to be a great day!!!!!
Rangers29
Thanks for the kind words, dic… I ain’t saying that.
Steve Nebraska
Billy Eppler is still working for the Angels. He’s a double agent telling the Angels how to steal great players from the Mets.
The Mets "Missed WAR"
What happened here? It looks like a whole thread got deleted. Last I saw people were just saying it was a good move for the Angels it might mean the Mets go after a big name pitcher. Last I saw everything was cordial. How did the conversation degenerate from there that the entire thread had to be deleted so quickly?
PaaaaTrick Ewing
Lmaoo
Buckner
Gotta admit, I was wrong and did not see this happening. Wow.
Robrock30
Great move here nice gamble
bloomquist4hof
Until I see the contract details I won’t call it a great move.
baseballpun
Yeah if it’s a one year deal it sure seems like it’s going to be around $20m.
Logjammer D"Baggagecling
21mil to be exact
bucsfan0004
That whole writeup and somehow 1/$21 was omitted. Thanks Billy
bucsfan0004
Nm, its there now
PaaaaTrick Ewing
Anytime you can grab a good starter its a great move,its only money and a draft pick,,not a trade
FreeThinker
Nice gamble meaning a suckers bet in this case.
TLB2001
No such thing as a bad one year deal.
Mystery Team
Sure unless his elbow pops during one of his first starts and he’s done for the season but yes otherwise there’s no such thing as a bad one year deal.
sacball
Trevor Rosenthal says hi
diddlez
“no such thing as a bad one year deal” except every single time the Angels have signed a SP to a one year deal in recent memory.
seth3120
It’s a big chunk of change on a one year gamble but I will say if I were an Angels fan I’d be pleased to see the front office being aggressive on pitching. They just can’t afford to waste another year with the money they’ve invested in star players. Maybe they overpaid a bit but it’s one year and in their position without nearly enough internal options to pitch they didn’t have the luxury of waiting out the market
User 1471943197
21 million for a guy who hasn’t pitched in two years…… amazingly stupid……no wonder baseball is a mess
Rick Wilkins
No wonder baseball is a mess??? Yes, because THIS is why. SMH
carlos15
Also cause Manfred is a pos
LordD99
2021:The year all free agents signed before December 1.
Not serious. I think.
stewartnbuck
free agents want to sign before the work stoppage
DarkSide830
they never learn. injury prone and costs a draft pick.
Halo11Fan
You know what the next CBA on draft picks will be? If so, could you please enlighten us.
DarkSide830
id be darn surprised if it changed the rules AFTER a QO player had already been signed. so, how do the rules changing next year matter here?
5toolMVP
The next CBA has nothing to do with this signing or his comment.
It’s a typical Angels signing… SP coming off injury, 1 yr deal, costs a pick.
Not how I would’ve done it.
Hope it works out and he pitches 100% healthy in 2022 with above average results and many playoff starts!!!
Thor
Ohtani
*TBD*
Sandoval
Suarez
——-
Detmers
Canning
Etc…
Halo11Fan
Let me see. Can anyone here name a pitcher who pitched two innings in two years and came back to be one of the best pitchers in baseball the following year?
Thinking, thinking….oh wait, he’s going to take home the AL MVP award.
High upside pitcher signed to one year contracts. Doesn’t really sound like a lot of moves.
As far as the CBA. there really isn’t one.
LivingRoomGM
With that logic why don’t you guys sign Cole Hamels..
MrAngelFan
@Halo11Fan Yep, spot on.
From Twitter…..
Shohei Ohtani
2019: Tommy John Surgery
2020: 2 GS, 1.2 IP
2021: 23 GS, 130.1 IP, 3.18 ERA, 3.51 FIP, 3.0 fWAR
Noah Syndergaard
2020: Tommy John Surgery
2021: 2 Games; 2 IP
2022: ?
jekporkins
My god it’s a pattern!
lasershow45
1. You have Ohtani and Syndergaard mixed up in your list.
2. IF, and it’s a big if since we’re talking about the Angels…but if they sign Scherzer, Syndergaard becomes the 3, and the Angels become a major threat.
TheLawAbides
Now they just have to sign Verlander
PaaaaTrick Ewing
Verlander is going to the yankees or staying in houston
carllafong
The’yre looking for two more starters and they’ll have a six man rotation.
bravesfan88
Maybe Eovaldi somewhere during his career, but other then that I got nothing…lol
High upside, low risk (depending on their budget constraints and whether his signing prevents signing other players), but it’s just a 1 yr deal.
If I were a GM, it might have been the difference between getting Thor and not getting him, but I would have wanted a team option for a second year.
The Angel’s are showing faith in giving him the 21 mil, coming off of only pitching TWO innings…Thor, for receiving that guarantee, should have to give them the assurance they will have him longer than one season..You could even include a buyout for a couple mil to sweeten it..
But that’s just me, PM is a very smart man, I trust he went over Thor’s physicals and arm health several times and got a few extra opinions and Green lights before he made the deal..Solid signing for a playoff push this season if it works out..
Redstitch108* 2
How exactly is $22mm not a risk? The guy hasn’t played in 2 years and has a history of injury problems.
empirejim
@Halo11 He signed under the current agreement, what makes you think it wont apply?
Halo11Fan
There is no current agreement for the current season.
If the Angels lose a pick, it will be the a 40 something pick.
Trout, Ohtani and Rendon are now. To not make a move because you are concerned about the possible 40th pick is absurd. AND, the Angels can still sign another player that could cost them a pick.
So what does that turn into. An 80th pick?
There are too many unknowns to be concerned about a pick.
baseballpun
A pick, the slot money and $21 mil is too much to give up for a guy that will have barely pitched in 3 years. At least it’s a one-year deal so they can’t get burned for more than one season.
Halo11Fan
Money is no issue. Not this year. The Angels could still sign a player that got a qualifying offer, so the uncertainty of that, as well as the CBA, makes worrying about a pick at this point absurd.
And the slot money is to sign picks.
I think the people worrying about a pick are putting the cart before the horse.
FunkyButtLovin
Would love to get your thoughts if it wasn’t the Angels who signed him….lol
FreeThinker
With all due respect , I don’t understand the “money is no issue” comment. It’s $21 million the team could use on someone more reliable.
This guy hasn’t pitched well since 2018.
Cosmo2
You don’t understand the “money is no issue” thing because it’s absurd. It’s absurd every time someone says it. Such a legit issue can’t just be declared away. You are correct in this. What is baffling is that commenters continue to repeat that falsehood.
Halo11Fan
The luxury tax is not a factor at this time, Moreno worked out a very favorable property deal associated with the Angels. Because of this synergy with the Angels, financing this isn’t a problem and it’s a one year contract.
Depending on the new CBA, the Angels will not have this kind of financial flexibility in 2023.
Halo11Fan
Cosmo2, You don’t understand why it’s not an issue. In this case, it’s not an issue.
Cosmo2
Money. is always. an issue! …you can say it isn’t all you want, but it is, it always is. It may not be AS big an issue as it was at some point, but it’s an issue, it always is and it never isn’t.
Halo11Fan
In this case, it’s not a significant concern.
kellin
That and the Angels signed a ton of pitchers during the last draft, so there’s at least a bunch of potential options coming down the pipeline..
carllafong
It’s not too much if he pitches well, and when this guy is right he’s an elite pitcher. If he washes out completely what does it matter if he was $15MM or 21?
JohhnyBets67
Ohtani was the AL MVP in large part because of the way he hit.
If Thor comes back and gives you 130 innings of low 3 ERA ball—that’d be good but for 21 MM that seems like the bare minimum of what you’d need. And it’s important when you get those innings. If he’s not available in October well……
Redstitch108* 2
6 million dollars.
seamaholic 2
It likely won’t change, and in any case it’s a near certainty that this year’s free agents will be subject to the old system.
Halo11Fan
Again, there are just too many variables to worry about a pick.
This isn’t like the other Angel pitcher signings. He may not pitch many innings, but he likely won’t stink. Which is completely unlike their other signings.
This is a good first step.
Ry.the.Stunner
Regardless of what is decided during the CBA negotiations, it will not take effect this offseason, so it will cost them a draft pick regardless.
stymeedone
I’m stunned that any team would forfeit a draft choice for a one year contract! Hopefully there’s a team option for a second year, but doesn’t look like it.
Phree4u
A Few possible scenarios.
He pitches well and money, slot and draft pick become moot and he signs an extension.
He pitches well and gets traded because angels are sub 500 team.
He pitches ok on limited innings, angels extend QO which he declines, angels get comp. Pick. Wash scenario.
He gets hurt. Pitches 3 innings. Angels extend QO of 20mil. Which he accepts and doesnt pitch again the following year…
Im going to place my bet on he pitches less than 50 innings of sub par baseball due to injury, takes the QO offer and doesnt pitch in 2023 so angels pay 40+ million for nothing AND lose a pick, because that just seems like exactly what the angels FO is ready to do.
In reality though i would not see him get extended a QO in that scenario, but this is the angels we are talking about.
And for all the posters saying CBA is irrelevant are morons. CURRENT CBS EXPIRES IN DECEMBET, ALL CONTRACTS SIGNED BEFORE THEN FALL UNDER THE CURRENT CBA RULES.
If there is a lockout/strike, NO FURTHER BASEBALL BUSINESS WILL BE ALLOWED UNTIL A NEW AGREEMENT IS MADE.
Not a clever name
@phree4u I could be wrong but I think since he already got a QO he isn’t eligible for another one, but I don’t know if the fact he turned it down means he can still receive one to be honest.
Deleted_User
You can only be extended a QO once in your career. Idk what will happen. But what absolutely WON’T be happening is the Angels extending a QO to Noah Syndergaard.
Halo11Fan
You are correct. It was easy enough to look up. It’s a rule I should have known.
metfan4ever
The current rule a player can only get a QO once. He’s not eligible for another QO.
Randy Marsh
Says the moron who didn’t know a player can’t get more than 1 qa in his career
Halo11Fan
Says the moron who said it’s absurd to worry about a pick when the commissioner just announce that they proposed to eliminate the pick.
If your brain grows two sizes, you maybe become half as smart as I am.
lemonlyman
They said the same thing about Wheeler, how did that turn out?
scudz
@lemonlyman. He watched the playoffs from his moms basement…
Milwaukee-2208
Is this really worth a draft pick?
Hes got the body of glass
bravesfan
I think so. Draft picks don’t always turn into something. Unless his $ amt ends up being crazy high, I dont see this being a bad deal. We know what he is when hes healthy, which is a really good pitcher
iverbure
It’s not. It’s the draft slot money that’s more important. Baseball draft is the most misunderstood.
stymeedone
But we really can’t tell how healthy he is from two innings. Big risk with little upside. It may work out but its kind of early in the off-season to gamble like this.
OntariGro
Little upside?
Phree4u
i agree. Paying a huge premium of 21mil, slot money, and a draft pick for obly 1 year of a pitcher who hasnt pitched in 2 years and will absolutely be on limited innings.
Only way this makes sense for the angels depends on him performing well and either signing an extension or being traded at the deadline.
So much risk in this signing its laughable, but at this point, expected from the angels FO.
Deleted_User
@ontariGro What happened to your theory about the Angels contending during the duration of Justin Upton contract?
DC13
The way we draft, yes. We haven’t had a meaningful SP group in over a decade. Make the deal, lose the pick which is less than a 50/50 we even get a future major leaguer.
RunDMC
That’s assuming LAA would do something with that draft pick.
nukeg
Also of note: they’ll probably get a similar pick back when Iglesias signs elsewhere.
Oxford Karma
I was thinking he’d accept the QO. Closers aren’t getting that kind of AAV on the market.
nukeg
I wish you were right zOxford, but he’s taking the years. Relief pitchers cash in on that contract year and he just had his…he had a he!l of a year and will get paid handsomely.
Halo11Fan
I want him to reject the offer and I want the Angels to take that money and spend it on 3 RPs.
5toolMVP
Maybe he would prefer long term financial security that 3/$45m, 4/$60 would give him vs 1/18m of QO. It’s not always about highest AAV.
5toolMVP
@halo which 3 RP can they realistically get with that $18m total?
Personally, I want them to resign Iglesias 2+1 or maybe 3+1 and add 2 more arms.
Halo11Fan
Look at trade rumors. You’ll get an idea how much they will cost. Melancon two years 14 million. Tempera two years 12.
seamaholic 2
It’s not a very high draft pick. That’s of little significance. The bigger deal is will he ever be Thor again. I have my major doubts. Just constantly hurt.
MrAngelFan
Why are people so worried about a 2nd round pick. Is Syndergaard a risk, sure, but so is any 2nd round pick. No 2nd round pick is a guarantee. If it were a first round pick, I would have a different opinion.
5toolMVP
Plenty of great MLB players are 2nd round picks or later.
The “worry” as you say… is 1) they lose the pick. 2) for a 1yr QO signing you potentially lose the player as well, not resigning due to injury/poor performance or not able to afford due to great performance.
So this time NEXT year they potentially have ZERO to show for this signing.
I’m not against signing a QO player, but it makes more sense if it’s a good healthy player on a longer term deal. Thor is very good… when healthy. After 2022 will he stick around or be let go/sign elsewhere?
Will they have to sign another QO player next year… lose another pick and rinse repeat? Eventually losing the picks adds up and the farm system becomes ranked 21-30.
Cosmo2
He’ll probably be Thor again, just not next year, which makes this signing puzzling.
Pads Fans
You just hit the crux of the whole situation. Syndergaard is going to be a shadow of himself in his first year back from TJ and most likely wont make more than 75% of his starts.
carllafong
Yes it is. We have one second round pick currently on the team’s radar and that’s MARSH. We need players on the field, and yes we need to draft better. I think last year’s draft will be game changing 3-4 years from now when these arms develop.
I Like Big Bunts
WOW!
Cohn Joppolella
Classic Angels!
nukeg
Sipping my coffee.
It’s half full: oooh, Thor in the OC. Intriguing.
But it’s also half empty: does Thor still carry a hammer or is it more like an ice pick? Can his arm actually hold the hammer?
RunDMC
You’d be surprised how your luck can change when you walk away from the Mets. MetsFan22 is responsible for more Mets injuries via karma than Tommy John.
nukeg
Zack Wheeler and Nolan Ryan would agree with that statement. As a Halos fan, I think we need MetsFan22 to Buddy up with Dusty Baker and the good ol Astros.
empirejim
Nolan Ryan… Was that the last ace the Angels had?
Benjamin560
Mark Langston
Chuck Finley
Jered Weaver
ldoggnation
Jerod Weaver was the last.
ldoggnation
Nope. Jerod Weaver was.
Halo11Fan
You forgot Lackey. Lackey was an Ace.
And even Tanana came after Ryan.
OntariGro
Nolan Ryan was an Angel from 72-79, Tanana from 73-80. A hell of a pitcher but doomed to #2.
MrAngelFan
Yep, Weaver and Lackey were aces. . Bartolo Colon was the last Cy Young winner for the Angels.
implant
Ryan, Tanana and two days of cryin
Halo11Fan
Ontario, go look at the stats, then tell me who was the ace of those teams.
OntariGro
Okay.
1972: Nolan Ryan (Tanana wasn’t on the team yet)
1973: Nolan Ryan
1974: Nolan Ryan
1975: Frank Tanana
1976: Frank Tanana
1977: Frank Tanana
1978: Nolan Ryan
1979: Nolan Ryan
1980: Don Aase (yikes, not a great pitching staff that year)
Much closer than I had expected. Tanana, Ryan, two days of cryin’ indeed.
nukeg
“The most recent Angels ace”
……….
Who is Shohei Ohtani
……….
That is correct.
Halo11Fan
Without looking it up, wasn’t Dave Frost the Ace of the team in 1979, and in 78 and 79, if Ryan was an Ace, he was an Ace in name only.
OntariGro
Quick FanGraphs-check and other than a .03 advantage in ERA and of course fewer walks, Frost is pretty squarely in the #2 spot,
kodiak920
Ryan, Tanana and pray for rain.
Halo11Fan
Actually it was Tanana and Ryan and two dats of crying.
Halo11Fan
By the way, in 1978, Tanana was the best pitcher on the staff, In 1979 Dave Frost was. Better ERA. More Innings. Better Record.
ReefAce
Lol It’s “Tanana and Ryan, 2 days of cryin” rhymes better that way 🙂
Redstitch108* 2
Bartolo Colon. He won a Cy
Redstitch108* 2
2002 Angels basically won a WS without an ace. Sure, Lackey, Washburn and Appier were solid, but I wouldn’t call them aces.
JoeBrady
nukeg
does Thor still carry a hammer or is it more like an ice pick?
=======================================
You gotta learn up a little baseball. Only players from The Bronx (or old Brooklyn Dodger or NY Giant players) carry ice picks.
jmi1950
And Catherine Tramell.
Hurricane Sandy
JoeBrady
Huh???
JoeBrady
Twas a joke about New Yorkers carrying ice picks.
2001morecowbell2001
Ahhh yes. That magical period of time before the details are announced when such signings are simultaneously the worst and best decisions ever made. I love the smell of the hot stove burning on a winter morning.
bravesfan
Interesting. Seems like a high “risk” high reward move if they make it happen. Good for the Angel for trying to address that starting pitching. This would be a good first step…
prov356
“This would be a good first step…”
If this gets done, I hope it’s not the only step. I can hear Moreno at a press conference saying, “See, I like pitching.” Then he signs a shortstop for too much and too long and completes the pitching staff with “has beens” and “not readies”.
As I’ve said before, I think Minsasian might be the difference in actually getting us a decent pitching staff.
JRamHOF
Now sign Robbie Ray.
Matt_Angel_Bronco_Laker
Alright, armchair GM’s…. Let’s hear your “expert opinions.”
Personally, I’m thrilled the Angels are getting a pitcher with his ability and upside. Injuries are always concerning but, players with TJ have gone on to have successful careers so I’m hopeful that Thor follows in the successful category.
QuackingHalos
Yep. One example is Ohtani. The only concern for me is that it is a one year deal and it normally takes half a season to a season to get stretched out and see if he still has it. I hope it has clauses that will trigger a second year, but I doubt it.
Cosmo2
Thor may go on to have a great career but history says next year will be a transitional one and he won’t be worth the money/draft pick.
Brew’88
This does seem the likely scenario, although 21 should have been the transitional year.
Halo11Fan
He had Covid. 2021 was more likely to be a transitional year than 2022.
He had surgery before the 2020 season began.
carllafong
I would say last year was the transitional year just as it was for Ohtani– same struggles to get back on the mound. This past season represents the same time frame Ohtani returned this past year– hope this makes sense!
Geno55
It’s worth the risk and say he does pitch Back to his glory days the angels could resign him or trade them at the dead
About worried about losing the second round pick all those top flight pictures Their team has offered them a qualifying offer
Robrock30
As I have advising. Noah Syndergaard has the potential to be Jared Weaver which is a very high goal, but he currently doesn’t have the head to be a pitcher instead of a thrower. He needs good coaching that he will listen to but it is possible..
Randy Marsh
Thor is miles ahead of anywhere weaver saw in his career
DarkSide830
please look back at Weaver’s stats and say that again.
Lyman Bostock
Jered Weaver was a top 5 pitcher in the league for a few years. I used to love watching him pitch, he was nasty.
Pads Fans
Syndergaard has miles to go until he is anywhere near what Weaver did in his career.
There, I fixed it for you.
baseball-reference.com/players/w/weaveje02.shtml
kodiak920
Those are fightin’ words!
empirejim
Angels not known for good coaching on the pitching side…
inkstainedscribe
Not since Bud Black was around, anyway.
5toolMVP
Actually the achievements of pitchers under Mike Butcher’s tenure was impressive…he gets bashed but those guys produced when he was there.
Thesecondjamie
There’s no way the angels are gonna end up regretting this…..
phantomofdb
Hey this was my guess in the free agent prediction…
ocsportsgeek
Interesting start for Perry. I wonder if the six-man rotation has any appeal for syndergaard? You have to think that a slightly subdued workload that way might mean he pitches and lasts longer. I don’t know. Just a thought. Hopefully more to come though, go halos!
QuackingHalos
It will cost a pick, but that’s the same incentive I can see them using for Verlander or Max. Since they are older, an extra day of rest may help sway them. Max will be pricier but won’t cost a pick.
tstats
Those two won’t take the extra days rest unless absolutely forced to
Cosmo2
Trust me on this, Thor WON’T be amenable to a 6 man rotation. If I’ve learned anything watching him as a Mets fan… he’s not very coachable, let’s just put it that way.
socalbball
Well, he just willingly signed with a team that uses a 6-man rotation.
Greg_winner
Yup, and that will be a benefit. Allowing around 150 or so inning’s Per player for a 6 man rotation will probably result in a healthy season. Signing Syndergaard was a risk, but one the Angels needed to take.
For Love of the Game
Signing pitchers who have already had Tommy John surgery is a much better strategy than signing ones who are about to have Tommy John surgery! How long has it taken the Angels to figure this out?
Say Hey Now Kid
Works for me
MetsFan22
Angels fans you’ll like him. Good luck syndergard. I hope you and the angles enjoy success!
mcdusty49
That’s right angles!
VonPurpleHayes
@MetsFan22 This was a nice post by you, and I’m not here to gloat or anything, but are you concerned about the Mets pitching right now? They need an entirely new rotation. Even deGrom is a question mark. I’m certain they’re going to spend big on pitching this offseason, but they need a 2, 3 and 4. I don’t see how they can do that and fill the holes in their lineup.
The Eppler signing is exciting though. What a crazy year for the Mets. Could end up being a good thing.
MetsFan22
They will sign more pitching but I’ll have a better answer for you after they do. They can’t sign a bunch of 3-4 pitchers and call it a day.
Cosmo2
So they need top of the line starters, two OFrs, probably a third baseman, bullpen help… it’s an uphill battle and it’s going to be very difficult to get it in under 300 million
MarlinsFanBase
@MetsFan22, Does this bring the Mets back down to 100 wins?
rct
@von: It’s the same story as last offseason. It was deGrom then a bunch of question marks. Last year, Stroman was coming off a year off, Carrasco had injuries, Syndergaard was out, Peterson was an unknown, Walker, etc.
This year, same story, only deGrom is also a question mark because of injuries. You’re right, they need a staff overhaul.
VonPurpleHayes
@rct Right, and they were bad. At least in terms of starting pitching. deGrom is a question mark now. He wasn’t last year. You don’t have the high-ceiling potential of Stromam. And the lineup is missing some key pieces. I know Cohen will splurge and the Mets will look good by season start, but right now it’s hard to see them finishing .500.
SoCalBrave
Who are you and what did you do with MetsFan22?
Appalachian_Outlaw
This looks to be a good move for the Angels. The knock would obviously be will Thor stay healthy, but a change of scenery could definitely help with that. The Mets have had a slew of guys with injury issues, suggesting it’s maybe not just Noah being injury prone. A new training staff could do wonders.
There’s no question the guy can pitch when healthy. He’s got all the talent.
stymeedone
Yes, the Angels pitching staff seldom deals with injuries. Thor just picked the one team that has more experience with injured pitchers than any other. Was that a selling point?
rct
I want to say that a change of scenery is typically what you say for an underperforming player and not one who has been hurt like Syndergaard, but given the Mets medical staff, it may be true here.
BRUH.SF.BRUH
Interested to hear everyone’s thoughts:
Is giving up a draft pick for a one year contract a good use of resources? At that point, shouldn’t the Angel’s double down and attempt to sign other pitchers with a QO attached to lessen the blow (obviously they need more pitching)?
prov356
bruh – considering we drafted 20 pitchers this year in the draft, I’d say losing the pick is less of an issue if that hadn’t been the case. We have depth at most other positions.
Matt_Angel_Bronco_Laker
I’m okay with it. It’s low risk for the Angels. If he does well and he’s healthy, hopefully they can sign him to an extension.
It’s also beneficial to Syndergaard as he’s probably going to get a higher dollar amount than the qualifying offer.
The angels just drafted 20 pictures last year so reinforcements are on the way. I’m not terribly concerned about a second round pick or draft slot money.
I think the angels are looking at winning now as they realize the Trout-Rendon-Ohtani window is about 2 years.
Cosmo2
How is 21 million off the ability to spend plus the loss of a draft pick low risk?
Matt_Angel_Bronco_Laker
The outcome you’re predicting is that Syndergaard won’t be a difference-maker for the Angels this year, Perry Miniasian thinks he will be. I, like most Angel fans, hope he will be.
There are all sorts of different outcomes with this signing:
1. He helps them to playoffs, and the Angels win it all. Gamble paid off.
2. Angels get bitten by the injury bug again, and Syndergaard is one of them. Unfortunately, it didn’t pay off.
3. Angels get bitten by the injury bug again, and Syndergaard is NOT one of them. So he gets dealt at the deadline to the highest bidder. Gamble pays off.
4. He’s mildly successful at the reduced usage rate that many people point to the year after TJ. The Angels extend him. The gamble pays off.
5. He’s mildly successful at the reduced usage rate that many people point to the year after TJ. The Angels CAN’T extend him. The gamble DOESN’T pay off.
I’ll take the 60% positive outcomes for the Angels. Draft picks are absolute crapshoots. Here is a good article from Baseball America that highlights the likelihood of MLB draftees making the major leagues.
baseballamerica.com/stories/how-many-mlb-draftees-…
No question about it, though. It’s a risk. So is every other signing in professional sports. But, in my opinion, the gain outweighs the risk in this case.
Marshallx89
I would think this would be a good year to punt the mlb draft and sign another QO pitcher. I have feeling a push for Ray or Stroman is in order but we’ll see
nukeg
Yeah that may be the strategy. I looked up multiple QO signings and draft pick compensation (with 2+ QO attached) and the info was murky. If anyone knows what happens when you sign multiple QO candidates please educate us.
That being said, if the Halos are. Ok’ing out of the gate signing a QO guy for 1 year, then my guess is that’s the reason they drafted 20 pitchers in the first place.
Tim Stewart
The main reason the Angels drafted so many pitchers especially collage pitchers was not just that it was a strong need. It was a smart move for this years draft. Remember that there was less picks this year and that last year was even less. There was a lot of untapped talent with a lot of fog because of covid 19. I think they have a good draft team and so they went this rout. They also added over 20 more that they signed soon after. Some of the NDFAs where pitchers like Joey Walsh that were previously injured but could be good. They did sign position players NDFAs so they do have some new hitters as well.
It should be noted that some other teams took this same strategy , like the Dodgers ( think only 1 drafted bat ) and Indians , with just a few bats and The Dodgers (11) Astros (9) were ones that signed the most NDFA soon after the draft.. The biggest difference being the amount of NDFAs as most teams did little NDFA signing following the draft. Great Draft in my opinion.
5toolMVP
@nukeg I think MLBTR had a post recently (in Oct?) about the signing one or multiple QO players.
5toolMVP
mlbtraderumors.com/2021/10/which-draft-picks-each-…
VonPurpleHayes
It’s a risk, but the Angels need pitching, and while Thor hasn’t quite lived up to his hype, he has the build of a future ace. This was a match made in heaven if Thor turns into what everyone expects him too. It worked with Zack Wheeler.
For Love of the Game
If Thor struggles with injury issues, the Angels capped their losses. If he succeeds, they might have to sign him to an expensive deal.
The downside seems fairly limited, but so does the upside. However, a healthy Thor, Ohtani, Rendon and Trout might make the AL West more interesting in 2022.
dodger1958
For Love,
If Thor does have a bounce back year, a very good year, he could position himself to be a $25-30 million a year pitcher. How are the Angeles going to afford him, Trout, Rendon and Ohtani in a couple of years when unicorn Ohtani could easily reach $35-40 million per. 4 players earning something north of $130 M not including the other 22. Is Arte going into luxury tax territory?
stymeedone
@bruh
But how many more with QOs will be willing to sign one year deals?
Ducky Buckin Fent
I can see it.
He’s obviously a health risk. But, hell, all pitchers are. & the young man desperately needs a haircut. However: he can sling it.
(So, yeah. “He can pitch though,”)
Appalachian_Outlaw
He should not cut his hair. DeGrom cut his hair and his power was sapped. Now he’s all hurt and stuff.
But seriously, why critique someone else’s hair? It’s not 1940 anymore. Everyone should wear what they like.
Ducky Buckin Fent
Yeah, I’m certainly biased on it.
It’s definitely a product of some things in my background. But, hey, I’m good with it.
& you just know, Mrs. Syndergaard agrees with me too.
DDD09
This will never, ever happen. The Mets want him and he’s already said he wants to be in New York for the rest of his career.
dan_plays_drums
He gone!
Halo11Fan
DDDog, it just happened.
phenomenalajs
If it’s only a one year deal and the Angels don’t extend him, he could come back the following year.
MetsFan22
I don’t think the Mets wanted him bad as bad as we did lol
Randy Marsh
Haha aged so well you were wrong in less than an hour congrats
ocsportsgeek
This aged poorly….
And fairly quickly.
Ducky Buckin Fent
Shoot…we’ve all been there, @DDD.
Well, at least I have.
MarlinsFanBase
I think @DDDog, @Dan Hunter and @MetsFan22 need to put together a baseball show. They certainly have the knowledge and accuracy of predictions to be on-air personalities.
Halo11Fan
I never mind one year deals. As far as a draft pick, as far as the CBA is concerned, does anyone really know? And if he pitches well, do the Angels potentially get a pick next year?
Add Stroman or the like, deal with the pen and I like it.
Ducky Buckin Fent
He’s a good pitcher, @Halo11.
As you pointed out, Angels have quite a bit of ground to cover with their entire staff. But this is an excellent first step. If you guys can get 20-25 starts out of him, he will be well worth it.
Bet.
Ry.the.Stunner
Regardless of what is decided during the CBA negotiations, it will not take effect this offseason, so it will cost them a draft pick regardless.
And what do you mean “will the Angels potentially get a pick next year”? If you’re asking if they’ll extend Syndergaard a QO next offseason, they can’t. A player can only be offered one QO in their career.
rxbrgr
The Eppler effect
dan_plays_drums
He’s not even the GM yet lol
Rbase
I’m surprised it’s only for 1 year, considering they’ll give up their 2nd highest pick too and won’t get any draft pick compensation at the end of the year
Halo11Fan
Are you sure? I thought if he signed with Mets he could not get a qualifying offer, but the Angels can give him one.
But since there is no CBA, we don’t know what will be.
Dustyslambchops23
Current rules would not allow him to receive a QO again
Halo11Fan
I will take your word for it. But we all know the current rules will be rewritten.
Dustyslambchops23
Correct but if that’s changed it would be in favour of the player so I strongly doubt there is any chance the angels get anything in return if he leaves next year.
rpoabr
I guess I don’t understand why this would be one year deal at assumedly over the QO? Maybe if they build in a club option for another year in case he rounds out back to form? Seems like there are other SPs that could be had for ~$20M annually that you can lock in for a few year.
Also, under the current setup, Angels couldn’t offer an QO if he does pitch well so no upside there.
prov356
Minutiae. Don’t over think stuff. The Angels just picked up a good pitcher.
SoCalBrave
I was wondering the same, and the only think I can think of is that he had multiple offers for 1 year with club options and the Angels were the only team willing to offer a true pillow contract.
jdgoat
Rare Angels W
dan_plays_drums
For me the hilariousness of him leaving the Mets outweighs the silliness of the Angels spending $20mil on him. Either way, it’s a fun time!
prov356
dan the drummer – based on the comments, it looks like you are the minority.
dan_plays_drums
They’re both good! I’m having a good time.
Halo11Fan
Dan. The Angels can afford it. The long term commitment is the issue.
Logjammer D"Baggagecling
Didn’t expect Anaheim to do much. I like this move.
AzMike
I agree Halo11 but 21 mill for a guy who,pitched a couple of bullpen innings last year? I suppose that the Mets did offer him the QO so they must believe he is healthy and capable of contributing this year. I’d love to see Ray get signed now. That seems much more likely now that the Jays have given Berrios a big extension
adrianmane
Great signing for the Angels, who *should* take any risk they can at this point.
The biggest issue is the cost-benefit of losing a draft pick for one year of control; however, you have to expect them to go after multiple FAs with QOs, so that may be a nonfactor when all is said and done.
30 Parks
This is not a “significant” improvement to the rotation, but it might be step one.
Lemonade24
So Conforto and now Syndergard. Will the Mets try and keep Conforto now?
What draft pick or slot do the NY Mets get?
Damn Mets need a pitcher now. Ughh!
phenomenalajs
Doubt it with Conforto. Dealing with Boras isn’t fun.
HalosHeavenJJ
Wow. We need consistency and sign a guy who is consistently hurt.
Would rather have Stroman for a similar price. Not the upside but definitely more durable.
carllafong
Stroman will be more at $25MM a year for 4-5 years. Be careful what you wish for. I think they go after Verlander on a big two year deal, and possibly Robbie Ray on a four or 5-year deal. But whoever they bring in I believe there will be two more starters beyond this signing.
Poppin' Balls
This makes little sense to me, one year deals are rarely a miss…unless there is a compensatory pick attached.
Dustyslambchops23
What Is the most innings a pitcher pitched first season back from TJS? Curious if any one knows.
Seems like players are very interested in leaving the Mets.
prov356
I think 2021 is considered Ohtani’s official return from TJ. He did ok.
tstats
Ooooh that’s hard to say 2021 was the return.
prov356
Why?
HalosHeavenJJ
Angels are committed to a six man rotation. So I’d imagine the front office would be happy with 130-150 innings from Thor if they are being honest.
That’s 23 starts at 6 innings each.
Halo11Fan
What they don’t want is 100 bad innings.
I think that’s unlikely. Which is why this signing is different..
Since the Angels have payroll flexibility in 2022, there isn’t a lot of downside.
carllafong
You are right. And they are going to get two more starters. If that happens NS becomes our #4 pitcher with Sandoval at 5 and Suarez at 6. Detmers and the rest of the gang become great depth and some will go to the pen.
rct
Why does it seem like ‘players are very interested in leaving the Mets’? Players change teams like crazy every offseason. It’s not 1985 any more.
Dustyslambchops23
He left for a one year deal? What does that sound like to you?
Cosmo2
Sounds like the one year deal he left for pays more than the one year deal the Mets offered. Why is that so difficult to comprehend for you?
duffys cliff
$21 Million for one year, for a guy who has barely pitched the last two years, and you give up a draft pick? Huge gamble by the Angels, and huge win for Thor I think.
Angels…when will you learn?
Angels & NL West
Ohtani pitched 77 total innings in 2017-2020 (including 25 IP in Japan in 2017) and two innings total in 2020-2021 so there is some precedent for this type of comeback.
VonPurpleHayes
I had a feeling he was going to get a high 1-year offer. I’m not surprised by this. The Mets had deGrom, Syndergaard, Wheeler and Matz. Only deGrom is left. It’s crazy to think about.
tidybowlman
It depressing.
alc47
Agreed. I’m really feeling down about this right now.
Cosmo2
You can add Harvey to that list… and deGrom was the least highly touted of the whole group. They didn’t even think he’d stick as a starter.
VonPurpleHayes
Definitely Harvey, but I don’t think the Mets regretted losing him. He peaked on the Mets. Wheeler is at his best right now. I would argue Thor and Matz have their best years ahead of them, but maybe not.
rct
Both Matz and Syndergaard couldn’t stay healthy. I don’t think they care too much about losing either of them, especially Matz, who they traded because he was wildly inconsistent. Much success to both of them, though.
VonPurpleHayes
The Mets need both guys in their rotation right now. And the QO suggests the Mets wanted Thor.
windmill_noise_causes_cancer
Syndergaard was injured signing the contract and was placed on the 60-Day IL.
sss847
this should add some much-needed dependability to a rotation thats been constantly ravaged by arm injuries
dan_plays_drums
lol
fathead0507
So $21 mill for a guy with 2innings under his belt in 2yrs and his last full year led the MLB in earned runs allowed.. classic Angels move.. go for the big name
bbatardo
I like it for the Angels. Only 1 year, so if it doesn’t work out it doesn’t, but Thor has a lot to prove to make big money so they probably will get his best.
bigeasye
For everyone who bitches about the angels acquiring pitching- I’m pretty sure they offered 8/300+mill for Garret Cole. I’ll take 21 for Thor on a rebound year any day. Very solid start to the off season
Metsfan-22
This is horse crap! How dare he disrespect my mets
to4
Good move by the Halos if Noah turns in the potential he once had on a full healthy year. Not sure why the Jays didn’t beat the Halos to it given the way Ray 1 yr turned out.
angels1961
6 man rotation will be good for Noah
Cosmo2
He’d never go for it
OntariGro
It’s how the Angels operate with Ohtani playing both ways. There’s no way Thor doesn’t know that, nor would it be in any way his call.
Cosmo2
I’m sure he took the money without delving too deeply into team philosophy. And, yea, it’s not his call but good luck with him being disgruntled about it. You haven’t followed his day by day career much, it seems.
OntariGro
“I’m sure he took the money without delving too deeply into team philosophy.”
Apart from that being based on nothing, “Shohei Ohtani, the guy super duper famous for being a two-way player, pitches for the Angels, and the team has used a 6 man rotation to lighten his workload” is a mighty shallow delve.
“You haven’t followed his day by day career much, it seems.”
Not close enough to invent this non-problem for him, I guess.
Cosmo2
Look into Thor and his personality. He won’t be content pitching in a six man rotation. At the very least it would require a 180 degree shift in attitude. He’s gonna groan about it, trust me.
Halo11Fan
He came here knowing there is going to be a six man rotation.
It seems like you are looking for reasons to not like this deal. Unlike a pitcher like Matz in the future or like Cahill, Harvey, Quintana, and Teheran of the past, he is very unlikely to give the Angels 75 horrible innings. The Angels are not going to lose a bunch of games waiting for Thor to find it,
He’ll either be hurt, or will pitch well. Great upside, limited downside. This is a Perry deal I understand.
OntariGro
Only direct quotes from Thor re: use of a 6-Man Rotation I could find in a quick Google search. From the ’15 season
“NEW YORK — Noah Syndergaard endorsed the Mets’ decision to return to a six-man rotation following his stellar outing against the Cincinnati Reds Friday night at Citi Field.
While Syndergaard acknowledged that the unorthodox configuration would affect his routine, he said the changes would be worth it if it means being able to pitch deep into the postseason.
“The ultimate goal is to be able to pitch in October and part of November as well,” Syndergaard said. “The starting rotation, I feel like if we’re able to pitch in October and November, it’s going to be a force to deal with.”
“”It’s just an extra day of recovery,” he added. “So I think it’s going to be an easy adaptation.”
source: nj.com/mets/2015/06/noah_syndergaard_reacts_to_met…
So there’s that.
Halo11Fan
I think people have made up their minds and are looking for reasons not to like this deal.
I think the possible loss of a mid 40s draft pick and 20 million bucks is insignificant to the possibility of 75 horrible innings.
Thor is unlikely to throw 75 horrible innings and might possibly pitch 150 very good innings.
That’s the kind of risk/reward teams should take. Especially when there is a Trout and Ohtani hoping for such risks.
There is a lot more to come.
Cosmo2
Could very well be that Thor matures and is accepting a 6 man. That’s not the crux of why I think this deal is risky
Halo11Fan
I think this is one of the less risky pitcher picks you can have.
The odds of 75 horrible innings are low. It’s a one year contracts, the money goes to Ohtani next year, 20 million is not going to break the bank, and if the CBA holds, BIG IF, the Angels lose a mid 40 draft pick.
This is about as risk averse as you can get.
OntariGro
The article is from 2015, Seems like it wasn’t an issue then, don’t know why it would be now.
“That’s not the crux of why I think this deal is risky”
Oh good. Always risky to have a thing you made up be the crux of something.
Halo11Fan
This isn’t Claudio or Guerra or Quintana. There was not a lot of money involved but it was likely they would stink.
For a pitcher. The likelihood of stinking should be the greatest risk factor. Not one year contracts for a lot of money.
Cosmo2
It’s 20 million they could’ve spent on something else. No one is worried about the bank breaking.
JoeBrady
Why not? He’s probably already on an innings limit. I’d rather be on a team that limits its SPs to 27 * 6, or 162 innings, than be on a team that allows you 193 IPs, but you only pitch 162 IPs. It’s better optics.
Cosmo2
Because he’s Thor. To you it may seem logical but Thor really thinks he’s a superhero. You gotta take his personality into account.
5toolMVP
Thor, meet Trout and Ohtani. the only superhero’s in the MLB.
If he wants a superhero decoder ring he has much to prove in 2022!
bhambrave
Next up, Stroman and Ray.
LordD99
It’s an interesting decision. The Angels are paying $21M and giving up a draft pick for one year of service for a pitcher who may give no more than 125 innings.
The deal would make more sense if it was a two year contract. That way the Angels would get a second season with Thor at full capacity, while Thor would have less concern that the Angels might push him too hard next year to maximize the deal.
carllafong
Ohtani gave them 133 innings and no other pitcher gave them 100. If they sign two more premium starters as i expect, Thor becomes their #4 pitcher behind Ohtani and the other two arms– Verlander, Stroman, Ray, Scherzer, Gausman… but the Angels are coming away with two more starters. If Thor can give them 125 innings at a 3.75 ERA or better they’ll be thrilled.
Dustyslambchops23
If you expect them to get two more starters from that list you are going to be really disappointed.
Other teams will want them to you do realize ?
Mickey777
I think they would have been better off with Jose Berrios for 7 years at 131 mil. Time will tell. At any rate, good luck to the Angels and Noah!
Dustyslambchops23
Berrios was not a free agent
Mickey777
Oops your right! My bad. Thanks for the correction.
5toolMVP
I’m surprised but not surprised…
Surprised they signed Thor. When healthy* he’s a talented starter.
Not surprised they signed a QO player/forfeited a pick for a 1 year deal.
Not surprised it’s a player coming off health issue, looking to rebound.
Halo11Fan
Do you know what the next CBA will be.
Too many questions to even consider the draft pick. What would it be, pick 45? And even that is a big if.
Cosmo2
Pick number 45 is pretty valuable as far as picks go. This ain’t the NBA.
Halo11Fan
If it’s pick 45. Which is far from certain.
Even if it is pick 45, Trout will be 35 before even a good pick will have an impact.
I love the gamble. If Thor pitches, he’ll likely pitch well, unlike the risks involving Teheran, Harvey, Cahill or Quintana.
What I don’t want is a mediocre starter that pitched horribly. Those are much larger gambles.
MarlinsFanBase
@Cosmo, Are you already doing what Mets fans do and already overrating the player you haven’t even drafted yet from this compensation?
Cosmo2
Marlins, are you doing what some ignorant ones do and discounting the value of a draft pick because some don’t work out? Do you just toss out lottery tickets before you scratch them off?
Cosmo2
A million reasons to do the wrong thing. No draft pick is a sure thing but they still have value. The potential is the value. It’s ok to lose a pick when it’s worth doing but not always. The “draft picks are useless because most don’t pan out” crowd is in full force today. It’s a small minded way of thinking.
Halo11Fan
What the Angels can’t afford is 75 horrible innings. The can afford the one year contract, they can afford the loss of a potential draft pick that might help them in 2026.
Thor is a good gamble. Even if he gets hurt, the Angels don’t have to worry about 75 horrible innings.
MarlinsFanBase
I’m not underrating the pick either. My point is that your fan base overrates everything more than it is.
A 45th pick is an asset, but in my opinion, not “pretty valuable”. For a 45th pick to work out, you have to have luck, good scouting that saw something, and then good development. It pretty much is an asset along the lines of a lottery ticket that you bought moments before the drawing.
We are in agreement about a 45th pick in MLB is far different that the picks in the NBA. It still takes a lot of factors in MLB to get that 45th pick to be something.
Cosmo2
That doesn’t make any sense. They can afford the loss off a pick because it won’t help them til 2026? Well, what about 2026? They haven’t won in years, not a team that can afford to lose stuff to continue that trend. Not at all, you’re just arbitrarily declaring that the money and the pick don’t matter but that doesn’t make it so.
Dustyslambchops23
To be fair though, if the angels expect to sign another free agent, this pick ends up pretty far back so it becomes much more palpable
Halo11Fan
Dusty, there are too many variables to worry about a draft pick at this time.
bigdaddyhacks
That’s not smart.
jints1
Strange that he signed for just one year. I would think that his agent could have gotten at least another year. Angels lose a high draft pick for just one year of control. Looks like the Angels with another move or two could be heading to the playoffs.
VonPurpleHayes
@jints1 He’s pitched 2 innings in the last 2 years. So I don’t think he was going to get a multi-year deal. This is a prove-it year. That’s why the Mets QO (while high) made total sense to me. I think this was a smart move by the pitching desperate Angels. We may see the best of Syndergaard in 2022. He’s pitching for a future contract.
Orel Saxhiser
Plus, no draft pick tied to Syndergaard next year, which benefits him in that it will make him a true free agent. I agree with you, though. Seeing as how 2022 will be his comeback year, it seems logical he would want more in guaranteed income. As it is, he’s not getting much more than QO money. It makes you wonder what his thought process might have been. Did he want to get away from the Mets at any cost, or was landing in SoCal that important to him? It’s hard to believe there weren’t multi-year deals out there. If there weren’t, that’s a bit of a red flag for the Angels.
carllafong
I don’t think it’s hard to believe at all– he was shut down with elbow inflamation… he’s a risk. But I think a good risk on a one-year deal. He will be motivated to put up big numbers to land that big contract. And if he gets hurt or can’t pitch, well the Angels will have $20MM more next off season to spend.
Bobby boy
Provided they purchase enough tickets for their team to attend.
Orel Saxhiser
The Mets’ current rotation is deGrom, Walker, Carrasco, Megill, and Peterson. All things considered, that’s five huge question marks. For the sake of their off-season strategy, they need a proper reading on deGrom’s 2022 health status ASAP.
Many Mets fans think they should blow past the luxury limit and “go for it” in 2022.
Question for those fans: Would deGrom being unavailable for a prolonged period change your thinking?
Dustyslambchops23
The problem is with Cano and Lindor being untradable, how do they even go about not going for it? They have to atleast try.
They don’t really have other options, they have too many holes to fill to even think about using young talent to go the trade route. I dunno, maybe I’m being overly pessimistic but it’s not a great spot to be in for a new GM
Orel Saxhiser
@Dusty, Yeah, a tough spot. With all those holes to fill, going for it doesn’t seem wise. Look at the team they’re trying to catch in that division.
On the flip side, blowing it up by moving some disappointing 2021 players for prospects would be a hard sell to their fans, even for one season. Fan disenchantment would be compounded if the jettisoned players bounced back elsewhere.
The Mets need to be careful this winter because a wrong move or two can set them back for a long time. We know what can happen when a baseball team tries to spend their way out of a hole.
kje76
That’s not a problem – the Mets are a model of stability this offseason. The management team is set up and have a locktight plan for the future.
Or … they’re the Mets. No GM, and some offbeat plan to hire a GM now, then a President of Baseball Operations next season. But, they have a rich owner!
LordD99
I suppose we could give the Mets some credit for next-level thinking here (I know, I know). Let Thor leave, get a draft pick, let him have his “rebuild” season with the Angels where he’ll be limited to 120 innings or do, then sign him back fully healthy and without draft compensation attached.
LordD99
“Or *so*.”
VonPurpleHayes
How did they let Thor leave? They gave him a QO in a year where the QO was over 18 million. The Mets very much wanted Thor. He didn’t want them. He left for essentially the same money the Mets were going to give him.
Orel Saxhiser
@VonPurpleHayes, either he really wanted out of New York or really wanted to land in SoCal, though it could be a combination of the two.
Imagine this: Syndergaard has an impressive comeback season, which results in all three SoCal teams bidding wildly for his services next winter.
Dustyslambchops23
If the angels sign another free agent that pick will not be that high.
Camden453
Syndergaard was sort of of hated and mocked by many within the Mets organization so this doesn’t come as a big surprise to me
He had a run-in with Jay Horowitz and even Ron Darling was saying some things. Probably others. He was never really respected
On the other side, Syndergaard himself is constantly saying things he shouldn’t be saying. Calling the Pirates a bad team, among many other negative things that are not good for the team
Now he’s got a chip on his shoulder like Wheeler does
This is probably good for the Mets. They get a draft pick, save 18m, and don’t have Syndergaards personality issues
CalcetinesBlancos
Ohtani is in his armchair watching this while making Robert De Niro “meh” facial expressions.
alc47
Man, This actually made me sad. I loved this guy. Good luck Noah, I’ll be rooting for you man.
tidybowlman
Beg for a QA, get what you asked for, make a big show on social media and then turn on everyone for 3M. Good job Noah
DodgerOK
Risky business for the Angels. At least they are getting him AFTER TJ surgery.
TheRickestRick
I don’t get this.
Why only a one year deal?
If they would have signed him to a 3-4 year deal and take a chance that he recovers ok fine. But 1 year???
Trout is never going to have a championship
CalcetinesBlancos
Why not? There’s a good chance he’d rather rebuild his value anyway and go back on the market.
Dustyslambchops23
Who’s to say he wanted a 3-4 year deal?
This makes perfect sense for him
TheRickestRick
Sorry for not being more clear
Why does this make sense for the angels to sign him to a one year deal?
And giving up a draft pick for one year?
Dustyslambchops23
They will get a draft pick back for their free agent
And if they sign someone else it would be a very high pick for Thor.
I’m not saying it’s right but if they are making winning a priority in 2022 they can’t be overly concerned with a draft pick that won’t be ready to contribute until Trout is past his prime
carllafong
They play one year at a time. If he’s healthy they get a top pitcher who is only locked in at big money for one year– it’s the smarter move. They have too many long term big money contracts already. If the season goes south for some reason– and it has for the past six, they can trade him at the deadline. If he performs well even better.
Metsin777
Realistically, he really only got 3 million more than he would of just signing the QO. It would of actually been better for him to pitch in Citifield due to it being a pitchers park. Short term gains instead of long term I suppose
VonPurpleHayes
@Metsin7 The fact that it’s less than 3 million more than what the Mets offered means he wanted out. Clubhouse problems? Ownership conflicts? Who knows? It’s all gossip, but it’s pretty evident Thor didn’t want to be a Met.
Orel Saxhiser
@VonPurpleHayes, an intriguing possible scenario is Stroman ending up in the Bronx where Rojas now works. It would be interesting to hear what Stroman has to say about that. Granted, he’ll probably speak up regardless of where he signs.
VonPurpleHayes
@Cey Hey Living in NY, I hear all the gossip and quite frankly, it’s just that. No one knows, but Stroman will certainly voice his opinion on it. Right now local sports radio is blathering on about clubhouse problems and a rift between the old core and Lindor….it’s all ridiculous. Maybe Thor just wanted to live in sunny SoCal.
Orel Saxhiser
@VonPurpleHayes, a three-team SoCal bidding war for his services next winter would be something.
VonPurpleHayes
I could definitely see that happening with multiple players.
LordD99
I know we can all get a little numb to high contract numbers, but I wouldn’t discount the importance of an additional $3M for a pitcher coming off TJS. He more than most knows how fragile a MLB pitching career can be as he’s just lost two seasons. He also saw how quickly his former teammate Matt Harvey went from king of the world to near begging for jobs.
He’s not really going home. He’s a Texas boy. Perhaps the SoCal lifestyle appeals more to him.
CalcetinesBlancos
There seems to be a theme going where players want to leave the Mets.
Camden453
Are you kidding he’ll probably contend for the Cy Young like Wheeler not being on the Mets
Camden453
Noah Syndergaard: I’ll outsmart you and sign for 21 million with the Angels. This is how we do business
Peart of the game
Talk about an ominous signing. I wouldn’t have trusted Syndergaard’s health that much. Although a six man rotation is the best idea for the Angels as Ohtani isn’t exactly a traditional starting pitcher.
carllafong
Would you rather have Rodruigez on a long term deal at $16MM plus per? I wouldn’t. I’ll take my chances with Thor for one year if he clears the medicals– and believe me they are completely aware of his health.
Camden453
Angels still on the “we have to target high upside guys” way of life
Bright Side
It was a necessary gamble. The Angels must make the playoffs in 2022.
corrosive23
Okay, keep that hope alive. Dbacks/Angels ws 2022, I’m calling it now.
dale123
Not happening
Bob333
Stroman to the Phils next sorry Mut fans
Camden453
More like the Yankees
Orel Saxhiser
Either team would be particulalrly irritating to Mets fans.
CrikesAlready
He will be fine. If it were AJ Preller signing him, he would not be fine. That is Preller’s way.
JoeBrady
I’m picturing that conversation now.
Preller: Marcus, I am glad you signed with us for 7 years, you’ll love it here. BTW, I noticed that you’re signing with your left hand.
Stroman: Just keeping my right arm fresh. BTW, I need to cut out a little early, errr, to see a man about a thing.
Dustyslambchops23
Did he sign before he rejected the Mets QO?
kje76
A player only has to reject the QO if they don’t sign before the QO deadline. If they do sign, then it’s an automatic QO rejection.
dugmet
Smart move by Syndergaard (obviously) but also by Mets not to match the offer at $21m+ since it provides them with a pick, frees $ to pay someone else without an injury history, and allows all teams – including the Mets – to reconsider his value after 2022.
Mario93
Mets are in trouble letting Syndergaard walk
Dunk Dunkington
Pretty sure they can still finish 4th and miss the playoffs without him,
MLB Top 100 Commenter
They will compete with fish for third. Atlanta ball club will repeat as Dickson winner.
mets7300
THank GOD That CLOWN IS GONE!!!!
HARVEY II
sox4ever
Rip to that elbow
Dutch
Instead of going after Max or Gausman they could fill out with a Stroman and maybe Matz too and then buy or trade for 3 solid relievers and that’d be a heck of a staff on paper.
mister guy
yeowch paying on the QO for a 1 year deal hurts
empirejim
IDK… 21M and a draft pick for a guy that hasn’t had a good season since 2018. Looks like an over-pay. Doesnt mean it wont be a good signing, just that the bar is higher because of the price.
TheRickestRick
Exactly
carllafong
What exactly have the Angels done with all their second round picks for the past seven years? Are any of them making an impact? The only one close is Marsh, and that’s it.
Halo11Fan
Carl and I agree on something. And because the CBA expires Dec 1st, and because we don’t know if the Angels will sign a tier one free agent, we don’t even know it will be a second round pick.
There are too many variables to be concerned about a possible second round pick who likely won’t be good.
Cosmo2
Conceding that your team sucks at drafting in the second round doesn’t sound like good strategy to me. It’s like, we suck anyway so might as well make a bold move that probably won’t be worth it…. Not a smart way to run a team
The Baseball Fan
For some reason, this seems like a good signing. They can’t really lose this, worst case scenario is syndergaard is injured. For that reason, the Angeles should sign another, bigger SP to really make sure of an upgrade. A step in the right direction definitely.
baseballpun
Depends on who they couldn’t signed with the $21 mil they’re spending on Thor.
Orel Saxhiser
@basepun. Yeah. The consensus seems to be that the Angels need to add two starting pitchers. Making one of them Thor is risky business, especially for one year where his innings will be limited. Also, the better he pitches, the more difficult it will be to sign him. If he wants to stay in SoCal, the Dodgers and Padres would probably be willing to chat with him.
carllafong
I believe they want to add three and now will get two established arms.
baseballpun
*could’ve
iameddie909
Wondering why just a one year deal .
StreakingBlue
Because the Angels are waiting for him to get injured, and be out for season to sign him to a bigger contract. Angels are crazy
nukeg
A lot of upside, but also a lot of risk with little commitment. Your classic flyer (some pan out, some don’t).
StreakingBlue
He appears to be a pitcher who has the tools, but mentally he is dumb. He isn’t a thinking pitcher who has god given talents but tries to blast every pitch at top speed. He needs mentoring, and a kick in the butt.
Camden453
Well, you’re completely wrong and hes pretty smart and knows what he’s doing out there
Hurricane Sandy
Actually, he really is not very smart. In 2017, the Mets wanted him to get an MRI and he refused because he’s Mr. tough guy and he knows better. His next start he tore his pectoral muscle and was out for the year. Don’t get me wrong, I love the guy and didn’t want to see him go, but he definitely can be a little thick-skulled to his own detriment.
JoeBrady
He was one of the best pitchers in baseball from 2016-2018, before he got hurt. I’m not sure how much mentoring he needs.
OntariGro
The just-a-hair above 2 walks/9 and consistently bananas FIPs seem to say otherwise. The top-speed pitch you seem to be bugged by is a fastball. You’re supposed to throw it fast.
SaintChris
The Angels are a joke. Year after year they’re in desperate need of pitching, multiple starters, and they go out and give $21m to a giant question mark of a starting pitcher, a guy that hasn’t been healthy in two years?
Maybe Syndergaard is a beast, completely bounces back, throws 200 innings, but what is the real likelihood of that? 10% chance? 20% chance?
I feel real bad for Mike Trout.
Dustyslambchops23
I think that’s a bit harsh considering the offseason just started
SaintChris
What about the last 5 offseasons?
nukeg
If this is their only move for the rotation, I would agree with the WTF take. If you add another quality arm and allow Noah to just focus on pitching rather than being a savior, then I think there’s a higher chance of success.
JoeBrady
I agree with Quacking Halos comment. I like Syndergaard a lot, but unlike other pitcher contracts, in this case, I think longer would’ve been better. It took ERod ~ 3 moths to knock the rust off, and I think Sale is still knocking the rust off. If it takes Syndergaard three months, then $21M plus a draft pick is a lot to pay.
Had this been more like $45M/3, the 3-month investment and draft pick, would’ve been a relatively lower price to pay. Of course, Syndergaard might’ve only been looking for one year, so there is that to consider.
Camden453
On Eppler’s first day Syndergaard goes to the Angels. You can’t make this stuff up
Orel Saxhiser
It’s like logging into MLB Trade Rumors and feeling you’ve been redirected to The Onion.
dale123
He grew up 10 minutes from arlington.rangers are in bad need of pitching .wouldn’t touch this guy.shows just why the angels will never win.trout needs to face that fact. You just paid 21 m to a guy who has thrown 2 innings in 2 years.moreno you are an idiot.
Dustyslambchops23
So he should have went to Texas to never win?
dale123
Never win my ass the rangers have been in more world series and playoffs than angels have in last 10 years and our minor league system is 10x better than the angels
Vizionaire
only to be quashed back to texas!
kje76
Hey – as recently as 2020, the World Series was in Arlington!
(The Rangers didn’t play in it, admittedly, but it was there!)
Ignorant Son-of-a-b
I have a feeling this will go awry for the Angels.
geotheo
This deal is a bit of a head scratcher. The Mets were willing to pay him 18.4 million. Most players reject the qualifying offer to pursue a long term deal. If he was interested in a one year deal, the Mets could have easily forked over the 2.6 million dollar difference. It’s the least he could have done considering the Mets were paying him for being injured the last couple years. As for the Angels, pay him 21 million, lose a draft choice and have to re sign him next winter. Without being able to make a qualifying offer. The whole thing doesn’t make much sense
Angry Disgruntled Sox Fan
It does make some sense. Angels are desperate for pitching and not sure if this guy will be the stud he once was. That’s why it is a one year deal. Can’t hurt them too badly for one year.
After a series of injuries, the Mets aren’t as confident in resigning him. Probably want to see other healthier options.
Angels take a risk but just a one year risk that could go either way depending on health.
geotheo
Question for me is how close are the Angels to contending? If they were perennial contenders and Thor were the “guy who puts them over the top” that would be one thing. But the Angels have had 6 straight losing seasons. They have played 3 playoff games during Mike Trout’s career. Unless the Angels are going all in this year, I can’t see paying someone 21 mil and then have to sign him again. Think it would have been best for all concerned for the Mets to give him the extra 2.6 mil, let him come back to the team that has payed him 19.4 mil over the last two years for pitching 2 innings and do this again next winter minus the qualifying offer
Mjm117
I though the mets giving him the qualifying offer was pretty bold. At least now they get a draft pick and not have to worry about Thor being able to pitch or not.
Angels have to take these types of risks and I like it. I still think Thor is still young enough to come back pitching , at least, close to his glory year(s). However, its only a 1 year deal.
Angels need to continue to add more SP’ing. I’d go after Kersh and Mad Max.
Angry Disgruntled Sox Fan
They gotta hope he’s back to form this season. I no way saw this coming- I knew Angels needed pitching but thought Syndergaard would accept the qualifying offer and stay with the Mets.
Jordan 5
Did the Angels up their workers comp insurance ?
jakethesnizake
Meanwhile, Brian Cashman sited in Central Park sitting on his own thumb.
Cosmo2
It’s not even late November yet. A team made a move, Cashman didn’t, and to you that means he’s sitting on his thumb? Yeesh. Patience isn’t a virtue with you at all, is it?
Jordan613
Being a Mets fan I am 100% happy with him signing elsewhere. I can see him turning out to be another Matt Harvey. I thought offering that QO was a bit much for someone who missed just about the entire season.
JoeBrady
There is absolutely no comparison to Harvey. When Harvey left, his final three years were a 4.86, 6.70, and 7.00. With Syndergaard, I’ll be betting on an ERA of 4.00. A better comparison for Syndergaard would be Verlander, who was great, but also just missed two years.
jcyant32
Who cares about a draft pick. People on here think the Angels have great scouts. I believe the farm system proves otherwise.
Cosmo2
Pointing out that a team sucks at drafting doesn’t justify a risky signing. It just points out that the team sucks.
solaris602
This move begs the question: Who is next on the Angels’ radar. Forget SS – take whose left in February. Need one more SOLID SP like Scherzer, Gray, Stroman, or Gausman. Then they can screw around with depth pieces like Duffy and Pineda all they want.
TradeAcuna
Quite expensive but a good move for the Angels. The Mets may regret this!
thickiedon
Would’ve been nicer as a secondary signing. Seems too soon to sign Thor while other SPs are on the market
carllafong
I don’t understand? They are looking for three starters and Syndergaard is the third. they want two more and are looking at the premium guys… Verlander, Ray, Scherzer, Gausman, Stroman. They got one before the Dec 1 deadline and that will help them land another.
Angels & NL West
Perry got busy early just like he and AA used to do in ATL. Resign Cobb, add a Ray or Stroman type and the rotation will be set – depth and quality.
Thor hasn’t pitched much in the past two years, but he is or will be two years post TJS by next year. Same as Ohtani in 2021. And Ohtani only pitched 77 total innings in 2017-2020 (including 25 IP in Japan in 2017).
As for the QO, the Angels will receive a pick if Iglesies signs elsewhere. And they just drafted 20 pitchers.
Looking forward to see how Perry addresses the BP. Go Perry!!!
carllafong
DO NOT RESIGN COBB! The man didn’t even pitch 100 innings. No, Syndergaard replaces Cobb, and now the Angels go big game hunting for two more starters– Verlander and Ray are their targets, but Stroman, Scherzer, Gausman and others are in the mix.
Say Hey Now Kid
Does he hate the Mets or something? Did he try to negotiate that deal with the Mets or did he just want out bad? Seriously asking
Cosmo2
He just took more money to play somewhere else. Nothing really more to it. Mets just weren’t offering a comparable deal.
PutPeteRoseInTheHall
Take into consideration how quickly he signed. If he really wanted that deal from the Mets he probably would’ve waited. There’s something we don’t know. Either the Mets said they didn’t want to give him that deal, which is unlikely, or he just didn’t want to be in NY any more
Cosmo2
You are way over simplifying things and creating a false dichotomy in order to justify your notion…. He. took. a better. deal…. That’s literally all that happened, anything else is baseless speculation.
jvent
WTF the QO was $18.4 and the Angels gave $21 . That’s only $2.6 mil more, that’s why you leave the Mets the team that you said that you loved. That’s BS
Rsox
Well, that sort of depends on how it was worded. Did he say he “loves” them (present tense) or did he say he “loved” them (past tense)?
JerryBird
Based on the Angels’ history, Thor will fail. Otherwise, a healthy Thor should serve well AND get a bigger, better contract next year. Best of luck to both.
Strosfn79
Great signing.
It may not work, but there is no 100% sure thing when talking about the future.
There is no such thing as a bad 1 year contract, as they say.
Now they need at least 1 more starter and a closer.
carllafong
For once the Angels are smart and sign a high upside player to a one-year deal. Even if he flames out– fine, the team isn’t crippled financially. Now you will see them go after two more big arms– Ray and another short term deal for Verlander. But they are coming away with three starters this off season.
stevetampa
This signing is exceptionally short-sighted by the Angels. They surrender a 2nd rd pick on a 1-yr deal? And how many innings can the Angels front office actually expect from Syndergaard? 100? 120? It won’t be more than that – for $21M and a 2nd rd pick.
Halo11Fan
The CBA expires December 1st. No one knows what the compensation pick will be. There is not going to be different rules for players signed after Dec. 1st.
The Angels may sign another top free agent. Which means it’s not a 40 something pick.
You don’t stop trying to improve your team based on so many unknowns. That strategy is lunacy.
stevetampa
Angels at minimum should have obtained an option for a second year. It’s difficult to conceive of a reasonable upcoming season for Syndergaard that would justify the cost. If he is Top 5 in Cy voting, perhaps. But that won’t happen because he won’t pitch more than 120 innings .
infractor
The headline looked interesting but giving up a pick for 1 year pillow deal on a starter with injury history seems….questionable?
Rsox
No, it is exactly an Angels thing to do
MiPatrick
This deal makes no sense to me, giving up your 2nd pick+international pool money to sign a pitcher to a 1 yr deal with an injury history for 21 mm. I understand they need starters but you are giving up too much for this type of risk, if he stays healthy and has a great year he will cost you much more to resign him if he does not then you really lose.
stevetampa
And the Angels won’t even be able to extend him a QO next offseason. I don’t think the Angels organization fully understands pitching.
Camden453
Well, #1 Syndergaard is not that injury prone. He got injured from throwing too many sliders
#2, even if he lacks arm strength and loses velo at first, he still knows how to pitch. He makes adjustments well. He’s a smart pitcher
I don’t think it’s that high risk. He should put in at least a solid season with 22+ starts
This isn’t a “reclamation project” pitcher. He’s just another guy who got injured. The arm, the body is still pretty strong
Pads Fans
He got injured by throwing full throttle every pitch. There is no correlation between sliders and injuries. There IS a correlation between velocity and injuries.
He has thrown 2 innings since 2019. He is a reclamation pitcher.
Camden453
@pads fan “there is no correlation between sliders and injuries”
Lmao, You’re yet another casual with no idea what’s going on and no knowledge. He literally came out on record saying throwing sliders caused the injury and literally came out on record saying he’ll throw more fastballs to reduce the strain from the sliders
And just because a guy throws 99 doesn’t mean he gets injured throwing “full throttle”…that’s the typical newbie take
Watch baseball A LOT more and then come back on to comment. You’re another person who doesnt have a clue what’s happening
PutPeteRoseInTheHall
Everyone throws full throttle every pitch. If you don’t hitters pick up on it and can tell a difference. Hitters are always trying to find a way to get to pitchers, especially when they either throw really hard or have nasty stuff, or even both. It’s not from throwing full throttle because that’s what everyone does and not everyone comes down with the need for TJ.
Cosmo2
DOES he make adjustments well? I’d say that from watching him all these years, that’s his biggest weakness.
Camden453
Yes. He’s not just a guy who throws hard. He’s never had great “stuff” to rely on
He’ll know how to survive either way
philliesfan215
Man that was bad. If I was a GM or owner I’d hope my 21 million dollars would be spent smarter.
Greg_winner
There’s a big difference between this one yr deal and the one’s for Harvey and Teheran. Syndergaard is actually good. If he stays healthy, the Angels get a legit ace, if he gets hurt, they meet expectations with business as usual one year offerings.
Cosmo2
Or he stays healthy and has a bit of an adjustment year, which is the most likely scenario.
Pads Fans
More stupid moves by the Angels. WHY give up draft picks for a one year deal? Simply stupid.
Cosmo2
Agreed, dumb move for the Angels.
Bill M
Maybe dumb. I’d say “risky “ is a better word, at least for now. Could turn out to not be dumb at all.
yanks2323
Huge fan of this move. Loved hun when he was in the Jays system! Nice job Angels; this will make Trout and Ohtani happy!
Vizionaire
i called this about a week ago! i like it!
Tacoshells
So dude chose a major payout with a crappy team where he is going to get lit up in that ballpark and in the AL. He must know he’s done.
JoeBrady
What is it with you guys and the doom & gloom? He had TJS. He is two years removed. This is fairly commonplace now.
Zonedeads
Playing with Ohtani, trout and rendon sounds much better than playing for the Mets and the “GM” who the angels recently fired
Dutch
Angels Stadium is very pitched friendly. The Angels defense on the other hand…
Ron Tingley
If healthy, Trout, Rendon, Fletcher, Stass and Walsh are gold glove caliber types.. Marsh looks good enough to move Trout over to left and we also had to wait a year for him to recover from laying out for a ball in spring training last year. They also have had gold glove caliber defense with Iglesias and Simmons at short so sure they will bring in another glove first guy at short, unless history proves me wrong and they land a big name shortstop
Halo11Fan
Anaheim Stadium is not pitcher friendly. It use to be, but not anymore.
bravesfan
Odd decision for the Angels after seeing the final deal…. You’re giving up future value with that draft pick you surrendered. At the very least, you sign Noah for a 2-3 year deal. 2 years 30-35 mil? Seems reasonable for him. Whatever the dollar figure ultimately would have been, seems you would want at least more than one year when you give up a draft pick. My humble opinion as I sit on a toilet typing it
Jordan613
21 million is definitely a tremendous gamble on a pitcher who didn’t pitch the entire year. One pitcher for that much is not going to make a playoff team. But what do I know.
Ron Tingley
What a perfect match! Must be a tight clubhouse with their pitchers having something in common to talk about. Still better than Quintana, Teheran, Cahill, Lincecum, Matt Harvey, Jesse Chavez and trading for Stratton and letting him go to soon.
Vizionaire
hope there are team options.
Angels & NL West
Yes. Hope we find out there is a team option for ’23.
etex211
Anaheim: Where pitchers go to die.
OntariGro
Come on, man.
etex211
Let’s go, Brandon!
OntariGro
Ok. Come on, Brandon.
Amazins
This guy hasn’t pitched in two years, how many innings can the Angeles expect to get out of him next year? Not 200. Guys ran out of steam left and right this year (and injuries piled up) for a lack of innings in 2020. Lot of money for a 2/3 season.
Vizionaire
trade for sean manea now and sign a bunch of good arms for the pen.
MarlinsFanBase
Questions for Mets fans:
Is Syndergaard still an “Ace”?
Does this show how players love playing in NY for the Mets?
Canosucks
He may have just wanted to play with Trout and Shohei Ohtani.
Being a Met and Angel fan, since I live out here I am happy either way.
The Mets rotation next year is going to be weaker than the Angels as DeGrom is an unknown and Stroman will be gone.
I don’t know as a Mets fan if this is an indicator of wanting to play in NY for the Mets but its sure as hell enough of a valid question to ask considering the difference in salary and QO
But I was born in NY and live in SoCal so weather is a factor
As a long time Mets fan; fans of the Mets can’t be to down on the gamble the Angels are taking since the Mets took the same gamble and the draft pick is not that big a factor considering how we pick em or let them go?
LordD99
Wil
LordD99
…Will Stroman be gone?
MarlinsFanBase
This was surprising. Syndergaard took a gamble and won by getting a little more money.
Also, it’s clear that Syndergaard wanted out. You don’t leave a team you’ve been with for so many years for just a little more money – unless it’s a team in your home town area. If this was the Rangers, I’d say he’s going home. But this is to California, which says he just wanted out.
mike156
Not a long term contract. The worst that happens to the Angels is they pay a lot (for one year) for a mistake. But if he can get back to 90% of his previous form….it could work out well, they could try to extend him, or swap him midseason for prospects.
Chemo850
Bahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha.
Not surprising that this dude decided to run away from the Mets dumpster fire. Stroman exiting next!
Jordan613
He’s broken, he’ll never be the same.21 for 1 year, take it and run.. Should have taken less and gone to a contender.
hyraxwithaflamethrower
The good: The Angels finally spent money on a guy who can actually lead a rotation if he’s healthy.
The bad: They overpaid for 1 year of an oft-injured pitcher and gave up a draft pick to boot.
urnuts
Seems not much changes as the Angels keep signing question marks? He is a stud of healthy, big if and gamble. Hopefully there is a team option.
I believe they will be going with a 6 man rotation to protect their rotation as most in house options had health issues last year. 150 innings per starter.
angt222
I’m thinking that the team that offered Thor the 1yr/$25M deal was either Detroit or Seattle.
1move
awesome!!!!. We’ve never done this before, and I’m sure he will be better than everyone expected in Anaheim, like every time we grab a high priced pitcher, not named Greinke. F
dawgpound95
Another massive overpay for the angels
PutPeteRoseInTheHall
When healthy Syndergaard is really good
leftcoaster
A one year gamble very much worth taking. I would’ve liked the Dodgers to have made the deal. A potential front line starter without having to lock into a long term deal or pay $30+ million or have to part with top prospects. A no brainer in my book. Nice job Halos.
Old York
I think Syndergaard is going to have a great year, considering he wants to prove to the market that he is still an elite pitcher.
hozie007
Are the Angels becoming the west coast version of the Mets?
Halo11Fan
No. The Angels would have never traded for PED Cano.
Old York
Well, at least the Angels won in 2002. Mets haven’t won since 1986.
slowcurve
Good sign by the Angels. One year deals are wise for any player with a history of injury, especially pitchers. Could be a huge success for both parties.
LaFlamaBlanca
Boooooooom!!!! And just like that Halos have started on a really good note this offseason. In 2019 Noah pitched 197 innings with 200ks and 3.60 fip. Absolutely none of the free agent starters the
Angels have signed in recent years have come close to that level of production. Noah was already touching 96mph & throwing a filthy changeup at the end of last year. Doubt Angels try and push him past 130-140 innings and if he can pitch to anything under a 4 fip it’s an automatic win because you can either flip him or try and re-sign to a longer deal. Anybody disliking this deal either pretends to know baseball and is rather clueless instead or you’re one of those haters that are envious of Ohtani & Trout playing for the Angels. Can you say 2022 AL comeback player of the year 🙂
tidybowlman
He threw a few innings at 4-5 miles less than he used to, got hit around a little and used no breaking balls. Enjoy.
PutPeteRoseInTheHall
Looks like they finally decided they want to try to give Trout a ring
HarryO
I just wonder if Noah didn’t look at the Mets situation (no mgr, no gm on the job yet), Conforto, Stroman, Baez probably leaving, and lots of deadwood on the roster (Dom, Cano, McNeil, McCann) and decide he’s better off with a fresh start somewhere else (plus with more money)!
tidybowlman
He went to the west coast Mets and took the richest owner in the sport out of his free agent suitors is next year. Thor is nuts and so are the Angles. They’re getting the year after TJ and then he’s going to leave.
Spady
They will sign Kershaw next.
kingsfan1968
Kershaw and Verlander are next as the Angels piece together a 7 man Tommy John rotation.
HubcapDiamondStarHalo
Metropolitan fanth with thertainly be thor about thith…
Not a clever name
Farhan you should have landed this one for that price it’s a steal!
foppert
Nah. Publicly whinging about a difficult schedule ?!?!
Not in the Giants ethos.
lapmando
Dear Mets
Thank you for paying me millions to sit on a bucket the past two years, now go f yourself.
Love
Thor
SupremeZeus
One thing is certain, Thor will be injured and this deal will not workout. However, the Angels will pat themselves on the back now and at the end of next season talking about we gambled and it didn’t workout but we had to do it — A for effort blah blah. Rodon and his yearly injury is probably next on the horizon.
_Mob_Ranfred
It’s not a bad move, but for a team that’s biggest issue over the last 5 years has been a lack of durability from their starters, giving up a draft pick for a guy who hasn’t pitched in two years isn’t a move that I would have made. Granted, a one-year deal carries minimal risk, especially for a big market franchise like the Angels.
Mahin Choudhury
Nice pickup by the Angels, hopefully Thor can re-gain his value with the Angels, which could make a 1-year deal worth it a lot!
sufferforsnakes
Insane.
PitcherMeRolling
Hope he has a good year and can get paid long-term. Also hope this makes the Mets sign Stroman.
PutPeteinthehall
Would have been better off trying to sign two or three arms with the same money and keeping the pick.
MiddleIn
Won’t pitch 50 innings this season.
Yankeesniper
Angels love to shoot themselves in the foot with a Bazooka.
Any chance they can move to the AL East so we could play them 19 times?!
SashaBanksFan
I’m pretty sure that the Angels always were a thorn in the Yankees’ side even during NY’s glory years. No matter how poor the Angels were, season series were always a battle.
Yankeesniper
that was always around six games. 19 games is another story.
Angels were 29-47 in their division. Nuff said.
JoeBrady
Just think, had the LAA not beaten you in the season series last year, you’d have been playing the RS at home in the WC game, instead of on the road.
lumber and lighting
Hopefully Thor hammers the 1 yr contract jinx
lumber and lighting
Also love the idea of him pitching only 1 time a week like Ohtani.2 big hard throwers with great secondary pitches.21 million paper weight or a top of the rotation starter which I’m sure is what Arte has envisioned with both fingers and toes crossed!If anyone deserves a lil pitching luck from the baseball gods it’s the halos.They have taken more then enough from halos fans to last a lifetime.May God rest their souls
Mystery Team
I like Syndergaard as a pitcher I think he’s very talented but $21 milly for a guy who’s pitched 2 innings in the last 2 years is a little too aggressive. He took a loooong time to come back and we saw nothing in those two outings that made me go hmmm. I get it they will have him under control for the season and if things go well they can try to negotiate an extension but if things go bad the Angels are going to be eviscerated by their fanbase. I think they were better off going hard in the paint for Max Scherzer. He’s the best shot at a sure thing. $21 million is a big chunk to allocate to a question mark. They’ve already given out a horrible contract to Rendon and Trout’s isn’t that far behind as I believe he’s making $37 million a year for the next 23 years. Why not say F it and go for broke? Give Scherzer like 3/$90 million and sign a bunch of bullpen pieces and just go for it. If it comes crashing down just have a fire sale next off season a la the Florida Marlins of old. They can hit and they have Ohtani and a couple of young starters oh and maybe Trout and maybe Rendon who knows but yeah I’d just stock up on arms and hope for the best.
urnuts
Totally agree this is a confusing signing without a team friendly option. Maybe year 2 at $16 million.
Question could the Angels offer him a QO next year if he is lights out?
rememberthecoop
Low risk, high reward. I know $21M ain’t exactly chump change: however, the fact that it’s only a one-year commitment reduces the risk to the Angels.
dodger1958
What I find humorous is that many Mets fans on this site were happily endorsing the idea that he was very happy in NYC, wanted to stay a Met and would accept the QO. I thought he wouldn’t accept the QO but would get a multi year contact.
Obviously he wasn’t totally enamored with NYC and/or the Mets. And no one was willing to give him a multi year contract.
Bill M
It was seven weeks ago that Syndergaard publicly professed his love to the Mets, saying, “New York has a special place in my heart” and offering confidence that he’d “be pitching here next year.” A qualifying offer, he said, was something he “would be extremely grateful for.” Were the fans supposed to assume he was lying? Or is it possible that you’re only interested in bashing Mets fans?
Goose
If these injury prone pitchers are getting big dollars, even short term, what is a really good pitcher going to get?
aTouchOfSarcasm
That should work out to roughly 500k per inning…
Ron Tingley
Noahs pitching game logs of 2019 match-up pretty even to Dlyan Bundys this year (if you take out his 3 bad outings that Maddon let him get bombed to save the bullpen, as well as letting him finish out ss a starter) same age and yet Bundy probably goes for 3-7 mil. Be nice to see the Ray’s or Doyers swoop up Bundy and let him shine
The_Voice_Of_REASON
syndergaard is a waste of a signing and he will be garbage. His last noteworthy (and it wasn’t remotely great) year was 2018- so he will be 4 (!) years removed from that next season. On top of that, he was already in decline in 2018- he dropped off significantly from 2016-2017 and significantly again from 2017-2018. His career is effectively over and it has been for some time. They just threw away a roster spot and $21 million on an extremely fragile shell of a pitcher.
schuldiner
west coast close to movie land