After agreeing to terms on a one-year contract with Noah Syndergaard earlier today, the Angels are still in the market for rotation upgrades but are focused on impact arms available on short-term deals, per MLB Network’s Jon Heyman (Twitter link). Heyman suggests Justin Verlander as a potential match in that regard, and the Halos were in attendance at Verlander’s recent showcase.
That said, it’s not clear whether Verlander would be amenable to a one-year pact. Astros owner Jim Crane said last month that he expected Verlander to pursue a contract “of some length,” suggesting at least a two-year deal with those comments. A two-year deal for a pitcher of Verlander’s caliber doesn’t seem outlandish, even with the future Hall of Famer’s lengthy layoff due to 2020 Tommy John surgery. Verlander received an $18.4MM qualifying offer from Houston last week and is widely expected to turn it down.
Any multi-year pact at all would require a philosophical change for an Angels team that hasn’t signed a free-agent starter to a multi-year deal since then-GM Jerry Dipoto (now the Mariners’ president of baseball operations) inked Joe Blanton to a modest two-year contract. The only multi-year deals the Angels have given to any pitchers since that time have come in the form of a two-year extension for closer Huston Street in 2015 and a two-year deal that bought out Shohei Ohtani’s first two arbitration seasons. Prior to this morning’s agreement with Syndergaard, the last time the Angels had spent even $20MM to sign or extend a pitcher came in Dec. 2011 when they signed C.J. Wilson to a five-year pact.
The Angels have now cycled though several different general managers in that time. Dipoto resigned in 2015 following a highly publicized spat with former Halos skipper Mike Scioscia and was replaced by veteran executive Bill Stoneman on an interim basis. Billy Eppler ran baseball operations for the next half decade in Anaheim, and he was replaced last offseason by Perry Minasian — now in his second offseason as general manager.
It’s unlikely that all of those baseball ops leaders were staunchly against multi-year pacts for free agents — particularly not when rotation needs were often so obvious. The common thread throughout the aversion to pitching commitments of any length is owner Arte Moreno, who has shown a clear willingness to spend heavily on bats (e.g. Anthony Rendon, Mike Trout, Albert Pujols, Justin Upton) but not on arms.
Only time will tell whether Minasian will be given the latitude to issue a multi-year deal of even minor note, but this morning’s deal with Syndergaard seemed straight out of the playbook from prior offseasons: a one-year deal of note for a pitcher with a strong track record and/or a fair bit of upside. That’s the same formula that led to signings of Matt Harvey, Julio Teheran, Jose Quintana and Trevor Cahill, though the Halos will surely hope for better results from their sizable investment in Syndergaard.
If the ostensible insistence on one-year arrangements for starters continues, there are certainly some notable names on the open market who could potentially be had at that term (e.g. Zack Greinke, Danny Duffy, Johnny Cueto, Rich Hill). However, a strong ownership preference for short-term deals could also conceivably push Minasian to the trade market, where the Reds, Marlins and division-rival Athletics ought to all have notable arms on which they’re willing to listen.
After signing Syndergaard, the Angels owe $129.95MM in guaranteed contracts to six players. Add in a modest arbitration class and pre-arbitration players to round out the roster, and they’re projected for around $150MM in 2022 payroll, per Roster Resource’s Jason Martinez. There’s plenty of space between that sum and last year’s franchise-record $182MM Opening Day payroll — which Moreno could well be comfortable raising. But for Angels fans hoping to see a match with Robbie Ray, Marcus Stroman or Kevin Gausman, reports of a continued fixation on short-term deals don’t bode especially well.
DarkSide830
Matt Harvey and Trevor Cahill are available again.
Setzer
Maybe they can get Teheran and Quintana too.
carllafong
Eppler is very excited to bring their talents to the Mets!
Setzer
That strategy has worked so well for them in recent years, so don’t see why you would change it now!
RunDMC
Minasian is following AA’s lead – that he learned while AGM in ATL. Sure, you’re going to have your failures, but it doesn’t drag out after 1 year unlike some of the other dead contracts in LAA that feel like death by a thousand cuts.
Setzer
It’s the same strategy Eppler used in his tenure with the Angels. Worked wonders for him.
I don’t mind the strategy if you’re smart about the pitchers you’re signing, which neither of them are.
carllafong
When did Eppler sign an elite pitcher to a 1-year high-end deal? He signed over the hill players to short term deals repeatedly. But this is not that. Thor is in the exact same place Ohtani was at the start of this season. Ohtani came back and struggled and they shut him down– same with Thor. Now it might not work out, but if it does this is a high end arm that could lead a rotation and certainly be a dominating playoff presence. He is not Cahill, Harvey, Bundy, etc.
Setzer
He didn’t.
5toolMVP
…yet its a 1-year formula thats been dragged out since 2015/16!
i like al conin
Steve’s piece is good but it doesn’t mention they stretched far for a multi-year with Gerrit Cole, and they have 2 top SP prospects who can step in after these short contracts expire.
Dustyslambchops23
Step in just like that eh
Orel Saxhiser
Yep, just step right in…to Dr. Andrews’ office.
homegrown
Perry started learning from AA in Toronto
Yankeesfan23
Still not as good as the yanks rotation heading into 2022 but better than the mutts!
cookmeister 2
Wonder if this strategy is being used because Upton’s contract will be up after this season
Setzer
This strategy has been used the past 4-5 seasons, has nothing to do with Upton’s contract. Pujols just came off the books so no excuse not to sign someone like Ray or Stroman to a multi-year deal.
HalosHeavenJJ
Pujols came off the books but Rendon’s deal was massively backloaded. Rendon’s big raise next year wipes out a big chunk of the Pujols savings.
Arte operates under actual cash flow, not luxury tax calculations.
GrandSlammer
I kind of doubt it since with Pujols’s contract finally off the books, you figure they would have been more willing to commit long-term dollars this year if anything. Most likely they just pivot to citing Rendon’s contract as an excuse once Upton’s deal is up.
HalosHeavenJJ
Quite possibly. Between Thor and Upton that would be nearly $50 million to spend next year. However, the starting pitching market next year is dreadful.
There is the possibility that Minasian has a higher view of in house pitching and his 2021 draft class than others and feels that pitching help is on the way soon.
Sandoval just turned 25 and pitched to a 124 ERA+ last year. Suarez is 24 next month and turned in a 119. Granted neither in large sample sizes. But they are both entering what should be their primes.
And he drafted 3 established college closers last draft. I can’t imagine they have that long of a development curve.
Reading between the lines, Perry might be trying to compete this year but content to have cash and an influx of young arms for 2023.
5toolMVP
Let’s hope the kids STEP UP in 2022-23-24-25…! This team needs the homegrown pitching talent to make significant progress and contributions.
jjabrony
But if its not one bad contract keeping them from it, its another. Pujols is gone but Upton is an issue…Upton will be gone soon but what if Rendon doesn’t pick back up…this is getting old
MrAngelFan
@cookmeister I believe they are looking at shorter term contracts for a few reasons. The first reason is they want payroll flexibility if player is sub standard.
The next reason is the Angels have a 6 man rotation. This is why the Syndegaard deal makes sense. He will be limited on innings returning from injury and a 6 man rotation will help limit his innings. He is looking to have a good season but more importantly get through the season. You are not going to pitch 180-200 innings as part of a 6 man rotation. Some of the bigger free agents will be looking to pitch every 5th day. They can always extend Syndergaard if he has a good first half.
The last reason is that the Angels have invested heavily in the draft and some of these picks will begin to be major league ready in the next few years. It will be better to have cost controlled options rather than paying through the nose for a free agent.
There is always the wild card Arte Moreno reason. He may have his eye set on another prize. Syndergaard is the first pitcher to make over $20 million a year. Weaver was the only other pitcher to make $20 million. Arte has said he has a problem with paying a pitcher that only plays every 5th day that much money. Lets hope Arte doesn’t do one of his off the cuff moves.
trout27
Upton’s 28 million will easily be swallowed up by Ohtani. It will be interesting to see how Arte deals with a possible Ohtani extension. I am not feeling optimistic about a long term deal for Ohtani. The AL West will be very competitive in 2022 but Arte isn’t willing to spend to compete.
I have been an Angels fan for over fifty years. I hope Arte decides to sell the team and take his billions and stay in Phoenix.
Cypress13
Seriously disappointed if that is truly their strategy. Ohtani will not want to sign with a club that does not win and “one year deals” have not and will not be the answer. There are some good pitchers out there if only Arte would get out of his own way
Dorothy_Mantooth
If Thor pitches well, Anaheim will offer him an extension prior to season’s end. Consider this an expensive 1 year tryout to see if he’s healthy and if he like the team/area of the country. If so, I could see them re-up for 4/$100M+ in August or September. He could also be traded in July if the team falls flat (again). It’s a very flexible deal that will allow for many outcomes; it just will not result in a 2nd one year deal after this one.
stymeedone
I am amazed that LAA would give up a draft pick and money for a one year contract. I am also surprised that this is what Thor’s agent felt was the best he could get. Other teams must feel there is quite a bit of risk here.
cookmeister 2
to me this says that they might sign another FA with a QO since they’re already in deep.
I used to be a “but draft picks!!” person, but we really have no clue about 2nd-3rd rounders anymore
HalosHeavenJJ
To be fair the Angels will likely pick up an extra pick when Iglesias signs elsewhere. It moves us back about 25 spots but doesn’t affect the total number of picks.
mrmackey
They came very close to signing Cole to a long deal, so it’s not like they never consider it.
GrandSlammer
I’m not sure if they ever got that close to it. Didn’t the Dodgers end up having the 2nd best offer on the board?
SoCalADRL
They still offer $290mil. That’s not a terrible offer for a 29-30 year old. They just got out bid by two teams with endlessly deep pockets. With that said, I don’t understand not wanting to give a guy like Gausman 4-5 years.
Vizionaire
gausman pitched very well only in 2021 and it was in sf. i don’t like him.
5toolMVP
Why the dislike…Did he insult your family?
GrandSlammer
So basically the same strategy they’ve used every other year…
YankeesBleacherCreature
Keeping fans in their seats and pretend to compete are their MO. Reap the profits. Same as Colorado.
Halo11Fan
That sounds like the post Roger Maris Yankees and the Don Mattingly Yankees.
YankeesBleacherCreature
Oh, for sure. Sign a couple of big name free agents and ignore the rest of the roster. I started following baseball with Mattingly and his 80s’ teams mostly sucked.
Fly over fan
Thor is an Angel………….
didn’t see that one coming
DarkSide830
Los Angeles Valkyries?
A'sfaninUK
How do they relentlessly do this wrong, every single year?
Angels21
If they don’t make a strong attempt for Ray or Stroman that would be extremely disappointing
carllafong
They’re in on both of them, and it is also being reported Scherzer– but Scherzer isn’t coming until he sees the team add more. Which makes sense– he can stay with the Dodgers and win.
angt222
Maybe a Zack Greinke reunion?
Marshallx89
I hope not
solaris602
No, Grienke is literally worn out. He pitched on fumes for most of the season, so there’s nothing left in the tank going forward.
Robrock30
Hint:
Aaron Loup, LHP
Player Data: Age: 33 (12/19/1987), B/T: L/L
Primary Stats: 65 G, 56 2/3 IP, 6-0 W/L record, 0.95 ERA, 0.935 WHIP, 57 K, 3.56 SO/BB
Advanced Stats: 2.8 bWAR, 1.6 fWAR, 422 ERA+, 2.45 FIP, 1.8 WPA (Baseball Reference), 1.50 WPA (FanGraphs)
2021 salary: $3 million
Robrock30
Need to build the RP bridge that wins a la Krod, Shields, Percival & Donnelly
HalosHeavenJJ
I’d love to add him.
My hope for the off season was to add dependability and upside. Stroman, for example. Dude is good and dependable.
Loup is good and dependable.
Kendall Graveman has been really good as a reliever. Pretty dependable.
The Angels seem to focus on the upside so much they lose track of dependability. There’s no difference between Griffin Canning pitching because he’s our best option and Griffin Canning pitching because Thor is again on the IL. Either way, we have Griffin Canning pitching.
Robrock30
I fully endorse signing both Marcus Stroman without a QO and Aaron Loup and trading for a Marlins cost controlled SP and picking off a Rule 5 guy if there is such a thing without Winter Meetings.
Be on the lookout for another Darren Oliver who was so valuable.
HalosHeavenJJ
That would be exactly my plan. But I’m not in charge.
harrystyles
Griff will Rise Again
HalosHeavenJJ
I haven’t given up on Griff. I still think he’s a serviceable arm over the next few years.
2020vision
Yikes. I know the Angels aren’t keen on pitching but I didn’t know it was this bad: the last time the Angels had spent even $20MM to sign or extend a pitcher came in Dec. 2011 when they signed C.J. Wilson to a five-year pact. 10 years is proof that their philosophy is a failed policy. If they had a player development record of success with starting pitchers, I could understand. But the proof is in the pudding and the pudding served in the last 10 years would garner a fine from the health department.
carllafong
You didn’t know the Angels’ pitching was that bad? Really? Have you been watching for the past six years? How is Thor a bad move? If he’s healthy he’s a steal. If he flames out the wealthiest man in the state of Arizona worth over $4B losses $21MM. To put that in perspective 10% of Moreno’s net worth is $400MM. 10% of that 10% is $40MM. This figure represents .02% of his wealth. Less than 1% at .02%… it’s like costing you 50 cents– it’s meaningless.
Samuel
@ carllafong;
The extended Steinbrenner family has a nice upscale lifestyle thanks to owning the Yankees. When the FO signs free agents they don’t go to the family and ask them to kick in money from their net worth.
Since no one askes the Steinbrenner family to do than, and no one should demand any MLB owner(s) to do that.
Samuel
“If they had a player development record of success with starting pitchers,…..”
@ 2020vision;
B I N G O !
This is not computer / rotisserie baseball. It’s about multiple people. As I’ve written – ML Pitchers work with their coaches sometimes in the offseason, in Spring Training, and literally every day of the season even if it’s just to get in stretching and running. Those Pitchers games are going to be affected by the people that analyze and make suggestions to them throughout the season.
The Angels don’t have that. Eppler was there 6 years he didn’t develop an organizational pitching philosophy. Minasian seems to be working on it.
2020vision
Exactly. Scouts and player development is where the Angels need help. Their ability to recognize true talent is where the results begin. It just seems like the Angels can’t get pitching right and the better investment is probably with overpaying Tampa’s scouts and the Giants player development office.
Halo11Fan
The last thing the Angels should do is sign a pitcher who will give them dozens of bad innings. Thor is unlikely to pitch a ton of bad innings. I would say the same got Grienke.
The last thing the Angels want is a innings eater who stinks. They have tried that route with horrible results.
billwood23
Think about it Thor didn’t want to play on the Mets anymore and doesn’t want a multi year contract cause his stock is low right now. He’s betting on himself to have a cy young caliber year to get the big bucks next season like Ray did. Win win for the Angels!!!
HalosHeavenJJ
Greinke has every single mark of decline possible. I’d stay far away.
Trade market, fine. Even Scherzer, fine. But getting too many guys coming off injury just means we’ll be watching the same pitching staff as last year and blaming another lost season on injuries.
Halo11Fan
Risk is trading good young ball players for pitching. Greinke is too risky, fine. But why propose greater ones.
to4
Pitchers are too unpredictable! That is the sad reality. Unless is an Ace with a proven track record, no one should spend heavily on them !
DC13
Pursue the trade market for Castillo please. One of our 5 Minor league SS’s plus another player or whatever is needed.
Also, have Adams if the OF is set with Trout in left, Marsh in CF and Adell in RF.
Castillo is around $11MM, which beats $25mm for Ray, $20+ for Stroman or Verlander.
Use that extra cash for Iglesias at 3/50, Rosenthal and Kelly.
Use Velazquez at SS with Mayfield/Fletcher combo. Promote Paris if he looks ready mid year.
The above would cost +\- $40MM which gets you right at the tax number.
Use the trade market to gain another rotation piece before the deadline if needed.
marinersblue96
For Castillo I think the Angels would have to start with Detmers, Bachman, Adams, and one of the SS in the system. That would be a hefty price to pay.
Halo11Fan
Trading Adell or Marsh creates a hole in the outfield an carries too much risk.
I hope they don’t do that for a pitcher who will start 28 games.
HalosHeavenJJ
I definitely don’t want to trade Marsh. In fact, I want him to take over CF and have Trout move to LF.
That said, a young, 3 WAR pitcher doesn’t really exist on the FA market. If Adell can snag one of those with 3-4 years of control the Angels could sign a RF. Let Joc platoon with Ward for $9 million per year.
Solid pitcher plus Joc in RF is better than Adell in RF and a dumpster dive pitcher on the mound IMO. We’re out about the same $9 million either way.
Halo11Fan
And that’s too much risk for me. And I think Adell will be better than Marsh.
cookmeister 2
Adams isn’t really close to ready.
I would offer Adams, one of the young SS prospects, and an arm
I would also consider including Canning in a deal for Castillo
HalosHeavenJJ
The signings of Teheran, Quintana, and Cahill looked decent at the time. The first two were supposed to be back of the rotation types and were reasonably priced. Cahill was coming off a nice year with the A’s bouncing back and forth from the rotation to the bullpen.
They all ended up sucking. But none of them were ever supposed to be in the stratosphere of Thor and all three combined cost about as much as Thor.
Harvey was just a boneheaded move from the start.
Halo11Fan
Quintana was always a bad signing.
Teheran would have needed to have his worst year. He did.
Cahill was coming off a good year.
I understood the later signings, I completely disagreed with the Quintana signing.
2020vision
At this point, the Angels should just hire Bob Baffert to train their pitching prospects. Have him look over the farm system’s stable of arms and see if any are worth working with. It’s no wonder today’s pitchers can’t go 6 innings per start when they don’t develop them to go long. I’m only joking with the horse references but you can’t get a horse to go a mile if you only train it to run 6 furlongs. It’ll never stretch out and will only breakdown.
Dorothy_Mantooth
I thought you wanted Baffert to come in and drug the pitchers like he does his horses…LOL.
2020vision
That’ll work too.
Orel Saxhiser
A tough spot for the Angels as even guys like Jon Gray, Alex Wood, and Steven Matz should command three-year deals in this crazy SP market. Meanwhile, the one-year group figures to be older pitchers with major health concerns.
Should Iglesias accept the QO, the Angels will have roughly $120M of their 2022 payroll tied up in five players (Trout, Upton, Rendon, Syndergaard, and Iglesias). That doesn’t give them a ton of wiggle room should a one-year deal not pan it out. They’ll be sweating that out with Syndergaard as it is. Will he even be rotation-ready to start the season?
Halo11Fan
I don’t want Iglesias to accept the QA. I don’t think he will, but he might.
They have made the Matz mistake before. So know. If they want Gray, and I hope they might. It’s going to take a muti-year commitment.
They can’t hope to be successful relying on one year pitcher contracts.
YankeesBleacherCreature
Another one-year deal to Corey Kluber seems very Angels.
MrAngelFan
@YBC If anything signing Corey Kluber to a one year deal is a very Yankee thing to do., because you know they did.
YankeesBleacherCreature
Exception not norm for the Yankees. Even signed relievers here get at least a year plus options.
GETBUCKETS
Wait… so a two year contract isn’t “short-term”?
billwood23
They can also back load a multi year contract for Stroman/ Gray to make it under the threshold. Upton money is freed up for 2023.
stymeedone
Why wait to spend next years money when it can be spent now? Just don’t expect any upgrades next year.
GeoKaplan
Stroman, yes. By “Gray”, if you’re endorsing a trade for Sonny Gray from the Reds, then absolutely. But not Jon Gray, who has managed to pitch *better* in Coors than on the road—the exact opposite of the Coors Effect for a pitcher.
cookmeister 2
The tax threshold is based on aav so backloading doesn’t matter
jason 54
Read: Angels looking to finish 3rd in baseballs 2nd weakest division.
Eric the Pilot
Angels are now at $187M towards 2022 Luxury Tax cap (until it is possibly moved) to $210M. Given the fact that I don’t believe the Angels have every maxed to the cap or gone over it (have they?), I don’t see the Angels going to a big SP like Verlander who is gonna get 3 years and $60M to move them up against the cap at $208 or so. AND they have other holes to fill I’m sure. Not to mention they have no closer. Thor was their big spend on pitching and a head scratcher for sure.
Dorothy_Mantooth
Where did you get the $187M figure from? Seems much higher than what is stated in the article.
Eric the Pilot
SpoTrac and they had already included Thor’s contract in the $166M. My mistake, sorry about that. Those guys are fast. So they have $44M left in space to tax line.
Orel Saxhiser
@Eric the Pilot. Lots of league minimum guys and not close to resembling a playoff team, one would think. With so little wiggle room to add quality pitching to the roster, you have to question the wisdom of the Syndergaard deal. His innings will be limited, and if he’s good, they’ll have to compete mightily for his services next winter. High risk and not necessarily a high reward, all things considered. Even if everything breaks right, the post-season would be a longshot.
Vizionaire
even so, angels make sure to beat the dodgers!
Eric the Pilot
spotrac.com/mlb/los-angeles-angels//payroll
carllafong
Your figures are way off. The new CBA will most likely dramatically increase the tax threshold. I expect the Angels to be in the $210-$220MM payroll range when this is over. They are getting two more starters, and they have to resign Iglesias and build out the rest of the pen. They can’t do it on $200MM.
Eric the Pilot
you have your opinion, but the Angels have never been in the neighborhood of $210-220M for payroll. It’s easy to cash other people’s checks, but I’ll go with the Angels payroll trends over the last 10 years with the same owner
Halo11Fan
Arte Moreno signed a new stadium deal and now has a property that is run separately but is heavily linked to the team.
I don’t know what he is going to spend and neither does anyone on these boards.
Vizionaire
Angels currently have $71 mil before thor and arbitrations in current cba.
Orel Saxhiser
$35.5M Trout, $35M Rendon, $21.2M Upton. That’s $91.7M and Thor’s $21M makes $112.7. Should Iglesias accepts the $18.4 QO, they’ll be at $131.1M for five players.
Halo11Fan
It’s AAV against the threshold.
And no one knows what the threshold will be.
2022 is not the problem.
Orel Saxhiser
It depends on which pitchers are left after the new threshold is established. There’s a chance the best ones will already be taken.
Realistically, what personnel move(s) should the Angels make next? Is there an indication on which way Iglesias is leaning?
Halo11Fan
I don’t want Iglesias to sign.
The Angels need three or four RPs. I liked Melancon last year. Nothing has changed.
I like Gray or someone similar.
HalosHeavenJJ
Agreed. Getting to the 9th inning is the problem.
Spending a ton on Iglesias only to watch the starter go 5 innings and a string of bad relievers give up runs for three more does nothing..
stubby66
They should sign Greinke, Bundy, Zack Davies, and Lorenzen.
carllafong
I don’t have the same interpretation of the Angel comments regarding short term deals. Whether they sign Scherzer, Verlander, Greinke, or trade for Castillo– they’re all short term deals that would not exceed three years in any case. I don’t think that excludes them from a four or five year deal with Robbie Ray. It’s very transparent that they want time for Detmers, Bachman and their other recently drafted high ceiling pitchers to develop. These shorter term deals allows for that happen while competing for a championship now. If Thor wins 16 games and is elite I’m sure they’ll look at extending him. But if he becomes a free agent they can extend a QO and get a draft pick back, or if the season is a bust they can trade him at the deadline for prospects..
GeoKaplan
The CBA can reset a lot of things, but I don’t think a player can get a QO in successive years. When his deal ends, the Angels won’t get anything in return.
5toolMVP
Players only get a QO once in their career.
The Angels cannot extend a QO to Thor next year.
Halo11Fan
MVP, You are 100 percent correct. Only one QA per player.
Ignorant Son-of-a-b
Mariners should have this division locked up !!! Go M’s!
Vizionaire
LMAO!
Vizionaire
trade for sean manea!
Cap & Crunch
The irony of this whole Angels situation is what happens when 1 of these 1 year deals ACTUALLY work out! Umm they leave the next year , Congrats !
This is a bottom 5 run franchise in baseball considering the resources available and it all leads up to Arte
I like when players stick with the same org their whole careers but if I was Trout or Ohtani id be laying the groundwork to getting outta town ASAP …. there’s No plan for success in place; just trying to patch holes and throw a fresh coat of paint on the walls every year to keep the fans coming thru the turnstiles
Orel Saxhiser
Which makes Syndergaard a high-risk, low-reward signing for the Angels. If he flames out, they won’t want him and will be crucified for signing him in the first place. If he’s successful, they’ll have to overpay to keep him.
Billy Eppler to Steve Cohen: I’ll take the job if you promise not to be like Arte.
Steve Cohen: I promise.
Let’s hope Billy got that promise in writing.
Vizionaire
so, if the owner changes his mind, the gm quits his job and go back to working for an agency?
Orel Saxhiser
It depends. Is Brodie Van Wagenen’s agency hiring?
Vizionaire
they always do.
Halo11Fan
Thor is the exact opposite of high risk low reward.
Orel Saxhiser
It’s a low reward for the Angels because he’ll be a FA if he’s successful and they will still be without a post-season berth.
Halo11Fan
No long term risk, no long term reward.
I wouldn’t term that high risk, high reward. I don’t see how the phrase fits, but the point is I understand the point.
Cap & Crunch
This is essentially what Im saying Cey ; and ill go further as to say “Why would Noah buy into anything of an Angel culture 22′ ” under a 1 yr deal
He’s essentially playing for team Noah again next year and not any kind of Angel blueprint they may/or may not have .
He will be less receptive (if at all) to any Angel pitching coaches next year, more cautious with his health down the stretch (w less security) and essentially will feel like a mercenary more than an Angel next year which can’t be good for anyone (fans inc)
There’s just not a plan here, and Id be weary if I was Trout or Ohtani as my post further stated
SwingtheFNbat
Id be extremely weary “if I were you”. Good thing we’re not 😉
JimmyForum
Marriages should follow the trend of one year deals
Vizionaire
married for 33 years and that’s the best thing i did. not sure my wife would say so.
Orel Saxhiser
How much allowance money do you get? After 22 years, I’m thinking of hiring Scott Boras to renegotiate mine.
HalosHeavenJJ
Let me know what he charges, maybe we can work out a package deal.
Orel Saxhiser
Did you ever see this video of Boras opening a 25-year-old pack of baseball cards? It changed my view of him, though I would hate to trade cards with him.
youtube.com/watch?v=P4UFWphOuq4
YankeesBleacherCreature
Perhaps we need to start some type of union. Where can I start sending in my dues? I need representation ASAP as my living room is slowly being taken over by kids’ toys and sewing tools.
Ron Tingley
Lol, don’t trade cards with Boras. Classic
MuleorAstroMule
Ah, a better return at the deadline because contenders won’t have to eat money. Smart.
Angels & NL West
As mentioned previously, it looks like the Angels may be going with one year contracts to give the young arms another year to develop – Detmers, Canning, Bachman, etc. The 2023 rotation would be led by Ohtani and a host of cost controlled arms.
Additionally, the one year contracts allow payroll space for Ohtani to be extended after ’22, if desired.
A top heavy roster with Trout, Rendon and Ohtani getting $100+ million requires a largely cost controlled pitching staff.
Orel Saxhiser
One additional note on Syndergaard. Since he hasn’t yet signed an Angels contract or turned down the Mets’ QO, he can still accept the QO if he doesn’t pass today’s physical.
Any word on how the physical went?
Lyman Bostock
The Giants executed the short term contract for SP perfectly this year. But let’s be honest, it was probably more luck than anything that they all panned out.
angels1961
halos need to sign Cobb and Alex Wood.
Ron Tingley
At this point bring in Verlander on a two year and Grenkie on a one year. They didn’t pitch zach in the playoffs although his numbers looked fine, prob get them both cheaper than usual this way. Good veteran presence for the kids
SwingtheFNbat
Noah! Noah! I like this sign. Now, just go out and sign the most talked about, to the Angels F/A in Stroman, and the rotation is set and solid. Then, just need a few legit BP arms…. Let’s go!