The Angels signed Noah Syndergaard earlier this week, a move that came about due to a very ardent pursuit by the front office. Speaking with The Los Angeles Times’ Jack Harris, The Associated Press, and other reporters, Syndergaard said the Angels were the very first team to get in touch with him after the free agent period opened, and his own interest in Anaheim grew after a three-hour dinner with Angels GM Perry Minasian. The executive presented detailed plans on several topics, including how the team would manage the right-hander’s innings in 2022, and some mechanical adjustments the Angels were looking to make based on their analysis of Syndergaard’s tape. “It was a breath of fresh air to hear that, to know his baseball knowledge,” Syndergaard said. “He was able to break down some of the flaws I had over the past couple years….I trust that what they saw, they’re going to be able to fix, and I’ll get back to my old self.”
Plenty of preparation went into the meeting on Minasian’s end, as he said “As far as man hours, the amount of work we’ve done, I don’t know if I’ve ever done more on an individual player.” The Angels had to be sure that Syndergaard was fully recovered after missing essentially two full seasons due to Tommy John surgery rehab, and their offer also matched Syndergaard’s desire to re-enter the market next winter with what he hopes will be a full and healthy season under his belt. Syndergaard said that while he initially expected to remain with the Mets, “I didn’t really hear from them all that much in the last two months from the end of the season until now.” This lack of communication may have been the result of the Mets’ long search for a new front office boss, and Syndergaard indicated that the ever-ongoing drama surrounding the team influenced his decision to sign elsewhere. “This is an important year for me. This is kind of a make-or-break time for me. I didn’t want to gamble on that kind of uncertainty that’s been going on with them,” the righty said.
More from around the AL West…
- Members of the Rangers front office recently met with Corey Seager and Marcus Semien in California, The Dallas Morning News’ Evan Grant reports. Texas was already known to have interest in both free agent shortstops, so the in-person meetings represent the next logical step in the pursuit, especially since the Rangers have also met face-to-face with another available shortstop in Trevor Story. After five consecutive losing seasons, the Rangers are looking eager to return to contention, and are known to be willing to spend at the highest ends of the free agent market. Since Seager, Semien, and Story all rejected qualifying offers, Texas would have to give up $500K in international bonus pool money and their second-highest pick in the 2022 draft as compensation — which is another sign of the Rangers’ aggression, considering that pick would be the third choice of the second round.
- Unsurprisingly, the Athletics are putting a very high asking price on Matt Olson in any trade talks, as MLB Network’s Jon Heyman tweets the A’s are “shooting for the moon” in their demands. It remains to be seen whether any team will line up on an Olson trade, and yet parting with a big trade package would probably be justifiable, considering Olson’s impressive track record. Olson is the most prominent of what could be several Oakland trade candidates this winter, as the club looks to be cutting back on payroll.
Halo11Fan
Minasian is going to fix Syndergaard? How? He wasn’t able to fix any pitcher last year.
When this team develops some pitching, only then will I believe they know how to develop pitching. Im hopeful, but I won’t hold my breath
J.H.
It’ll be an interesting test. He has the highest ceiling of any pitcher the Angels have signed. If he reaches that level, is it because of him or the coaching? I’m with you though; I don’t care who they sign or what they do, I’ll believe they’ve ‘solved’ pitching problems when I see it.
Tomas7
Remember they also had Hansel Robles and couldn’t help him solve his giving up his long-ball problem; Should be interesting to watch Thor’s progress, I wish him well though.
Bart
Dumb comment. Their staff is different today.
The Baseball Fan
I wouldn’t lose hope.
Geno55
Syndergaard Has more talent than any Angel picture last year perry Minasian Did a lot of research videos and metrics on Syndergaard’s delivery and pitch selection I think Syndergaard rises again
This is Perry’s Minasian second year I think he builds a winner
Halo11Fan
Ohtani has more talent than any Angel pitcher.
mikefults
I’m sure there’s a picture of Nolan Ryan or Frank Tanana around the Angels clubhouse. #BestAngelPitchers
padam
That was one hell of a tandem back in the 70’s. Righty/Lefty heat.
implant
Tanana and Ryan and two days of cryin. Grew up watching them pitch
Oldschoolandthemets1980
They were great, but Tanana the only pitcher to throw the ball in the 90 mph in the 1970,s , and then throw the ball in the 70 mph on the 1990,s lol.
Halo11Fan
The best Angel pitcher was Chuck Finley.
MrAngelFan
You can say Ohtani, Suarez, and Sdndoval had their best year on the mound this year. Cobb had his best year in a long time.
Eppler had 5 seasons seasons to bring in short term solutions and brought in crap year and year. Minasian brought in Cobb and Iglesias, which is way better than the options Eppler brought in.
Halo11Fan
Ohtani had it the first year he came over, he just got hurt. As for the other two, optimism doesn’t beat results. They are not here yet.
mookiesboy
good. they’ll get him right and Cohen will re-sign he next year
GeoKaplan
You weren’t watching when Alex Cobb was pitching? I think it can be said the Angels improved him, if not outright “fixed” him, after his prior seasons (plural) in Baltimore.
carllafong
And they certainly fixed Suarez!
J.H.
Cobb definitely had a better season but not by as much as you’d think when you look at the stats. He also has more above-average seasons in his career than bad seasons, even if the ‘bad’ seasons are more recent. So I don’t know if I’d go so far as to say they ‘fixed’ him.
And while some pitchers did show improvement, other such as Bundy, Canning, and Mayers regressed significantly, and pitching as a whole was a negative. All this is to say, the Angels are going nowhere without pitching and I’ll believe they have that piece of the puzzle when I see it. I’ll also add that I really like the Syndegaard signing and am hopeful it all works out.
Halo11Fan
Cobb had an ERA+ of 109in Baltimore last year. You forgot Quintana.
I’ll knock Perry for Quintana and the bullpen, but I’m not knocking him for the rotation. I’m just saying I’ll believe it when I see it.
I really hope he’s a pitcher whisperer, I just haven’t seen enough evidence to support that opinion.
Dustyslambchops23
The bar was low for Thor
cookmeister 2
Cobb was better last year… Sandoval was better last year… Suarez was better last year…
Halo11Fan
Yet out pitching was still horrible.
You guys are pretty optimistic, nothing wrong with that.
chiefnocahoma1
I mean they can’t do any worse than the Mets..
A'sfaninUK
Despite all the delusional Yankees fans thinking they can get Olson for Frazier (not even on the team anymore) and the horrible Miguel Andujar, they are about to get roasted because the best team that matches up with Oakland for Olson is Tampa Bay, who have dozens of superior trade package options more than the Yankees who could put Oakland in contention almost immediately. So Olson would potentially burn NYY extra hard now, which is funny.
Rsox
The scary thing is the Rays can deal off the Major League roster or from the Minor Leagues and not skip a beat. Olson is certainly a game changer for the an already solid group in Tampa Bay.
The Yankees have become a team of mostly talk and if the A’s are asking for the sky, the moon, and the stars for Olson i don’t really think the Yankees have the pieces to get a deal done. With the CBA expiring soon Manfred is too preoccupied elsewhere to get Billy to gift Olson to Cashman
Ronk325
No Yankees fans made a serious Olson trade proposal involving Frazier or Andujar. The only people who ever made those proposals were people (poorly) trying to clown Yankees fans.
Why would a team that relies on cheap, homegrown talent trade for a 1B with only 2 years of control remaining when it’s not a major need.
No trade package is going to put the A’s in contention almost immediately. They’re having a fire sale to stockpile young talent for inevitable move to Vegas.
The real funny thing is your sad fixation on trashing the Yankees when they’re not even one of your team’s rivals.
bkbk
A’s gonna ask for Dominguez
Strosfn79
Didn’t the Yankees trade for a rental first baseman last year?
Why in the world would “we” not think the Yankees would trade for a first baseman with only 2 years of control left when they traded for rental last year and now that rental is a free agent?
Ronk325
The second point was about the Rays since he said they’d be a better trade partner for Olson. I can’t see the Rays trading premium prospects for a 1B
sox4ever
This is such a tired comment. No one has suggested Frazier or Andujar for Olson. Give it a rest
Rangers29
Oh dear god I hope we get Semien. In fact, let’s play some Marcus Semien Trivia just to show how good he is! No cheating!
1) Who has more fWAR from 2019-2021 than Marcus Semien?
2) Who has played more games than Marcus Semien from 2019-2021?
JeffreyChungus
Easy
1. Bubba Starling and Rob Refsnyder
2. Gerrit Cole
And that ladies and gentlemen is why they call me Mr. Trivia
Rangers29
You complete MORON!!! Both answers are GREG BIRD!!!
The Baseball Fan
Sign him and you’re set for life.
PNW-JWS
C’mon rangers29. With your 12yo snipe “You complete MORON!!!”, you are a creepy dbag. Or, 12 years old. We’d forgive the latter, but know you are the former.
“You complete MORON!!!” What a child. But, you’re an adult, so, you put the “ewww” in douchebag. Creepy. Sleazy.
phnxdark23
I feel like it’s pretty clear he was giving a silly response to a silly response. Relax.
DarkSide830
foolish fool! it’s clearly Peter “Rave Reviews” O’Brien!
Rangers29
Greg Bird deserves to be taken seriously.
padnastikador
Some real idiots on these boards.
PNW-JWS-SMH.
Texas Outlaw
@dark id buy rave reviews underwear
BootyDrip
He is literally 15. I’m dead serious. He is 15. His only friends are internet buds.
Halo11Fan
What’s wrong with being 15? It’s when a 15 year old acts like he’s five that’s an issue,
Angels & NL West
He’s a good dude. I look forward to his Rangers posts. He knows his stuff.
Rsox
If Semien were to sign in Texas would he play SS or 2B?
Kiner-Falefa is a vacuum with a glove no matter where they put him but defensively they may be a better team with IKF at SS and Semien at 2B.
Offensively they are obviously better with Semien at SS and Nick Solak at 2B. Either IKF or Solak could play 3B (until Josh Jung is ready) or Solak could play in the OF.
I guess this would be a nice problem to have if you are the Rangers
User 1104686089
Probably IKF slides to 3B until Jung comes up and Solak/Ibanez at 2B. Semien at SS I suspect. It actually makes some sense for us if Semien wants to play in Texas.
Rangers29
I want IKF at SS and Semien at 2B, but I suspect IKF would move to 2B and Semien would be our SS. I personally believe that IKF’s abilities play up at SS versus 2B, but I think the high AAV free agent will have the choice of what position he plays, and for Semien I imagine that’s SS.
And don’t discount Andy Ibanez for 2B either. For the majority of the season he hit almost exactly like Yuli Gurriel did, but his initial 20 games brought down his stat line a lot. Great guy to keep an eye on for ’22.
phnxdark23
Games played, Whit Merrifield – he never misses games. WAR is trickier – I’ll give a little hometown bias and lean Freddie Freeman?
Rangers29
You’re amazing! Merrifield is the only one with more games played over that span (honestly surprised somebody got that, I never would’ve had I not looked it up).
As for the WAR… it’s a trick question because Semien IS the fWAR leader from 2019-2021. 2020 was merely a blip for him that I think too many people take into consideration when evaluating him.
phnxdark23
Good little bit of trivia, I don’t know how many guesses it would have taken me to get Semien as the fWAR leader! I hope his agent is spreading that knowledge to every GM in the league, haha. I only knew about Whit because a buddy of mine has been a huge advocate of the Braves trading for him the last several years, and his every-day ability has been one of his selling points. Pretty sure that before this year, Freddie was also a regular on that iron man short list, but the FO made an effort to give him more rest this year.
Roper
If I were Thor, I would be VERY concerned, based on the Angels track record with pitching. Big mistake on his part. Not sure if the Angels are just snake bit or incompetent. But serious issues with pitching. Only a matter of time until Ohtani and Trout want out. Rendon is stuck there. I could even see the Rangers passing them in the standings in 2022 although the Rangers are still targeting 2023.
kylegocougs
I agree
chalk73
Currently the Angels have 5 pitchers on IL. Far from the most injury prone this year. Padres have 13 pitchers on IL, Rays 8, Pirates 11, Twins 7…. ext…
i like al conin
Ability and development haven’t lined up. Look at those pitchers they haven’t “fixed.” None come close to Thor’s ability.
mookiesboy
why? He got more $$ on a one year deal than anyone else’s in baseball would have He’s got no worries
deeroq
If Thor thought on that level then he wouldn’t have spent an entire offseason lifting and bulking up without throwing. Season rolls around and he tears his shoulder and misses the entire season. Dude’s got a million dollar arm and a ten cent head.
Metsin777
I think the RedSox are a sleeper team for Olson. I think a package of Dalbec, Duran, and Houck gets it done
The Baseball Fan
Red Sox would really take an L on that one
DarkSide830
It does, but heck if Boston is doing that.
Rsox
That really probably doesn’t get it done. Sox aren’t in on Olson. Dalbec finished last season strong and Tristan Casas is coming soon. No reason to empty what little farm they have for two years of Olson
stymeedone
@roper
What kaleidoscope are you looking thru to see that? I can see 8 of the 9 starters with the Angels right now. All they need is one more middle infielder. Their pitching is up in the air just like Texas. Texas has no line up at the moment. They may have young pitching potential in their system, but they might want to cool their heels for a year or two until it actually arrives. Rushing prospects seldom ends well.
Rsox
The Angels haven’t “fixed” a Pitcher since…possibly never.
They have struggled to develop pitching over the last decade with Garrett Richards coming to mind as the only real “success” as opposed to the previous decade which saw the team develop John Lackey, Ramon Ortiz, Jarrod Washburn, Ervin Santana, and Jered Weaver
Dutch
I think they could be turning the corner on that trend with Sandoval, Barria and Detmers but you’re absolutely right. The Stoneman era saw tremendous success even with Moreno as owner but since then …
Angels & NL West
Dutch, I totally agree that the Angels may be turning the corner on drafting and developing pitchers. In addition to SPs Sandoval, Suarez, Detmers, Barria, Canning and Bachman, the Angels have several young arms that could pitch meaningful innings out of the BP in ’22.
As an aside, Stoneman is vastly underrated.
implant
Stoneman ain’t underrated ti Angel fans. Dude has two no no’s to his credit as well
Samuel
I’ve brought up the Angels pitching problems being related to not working well with pitchers as opposed to not signing more name FA’s.
But Minasian just got there a year ago. I knew little about him – am learning more.
Changing the way an organization works with pitchers is not done in one year. That’s absurd. And it’s also absurd to make Minasian responsible for what Eppler did there, and Dipoto before that. Sure, Artie had them chasing position playing FA’s and eating up the payroll budget. But that didn’t preclude them from building an organization wide pitching group.
Syndergaard is a case worth watching. If the Angels can in fact stabilize him and get his career back on track, it’s a sign that better results from their pitchers are a possibility – and will make the team attractive to future FA pitchers.
solaris602
You can add Tyler Skaggs to that short list with Richards.
A'sfaninLondonUK
@solaris602
Re: Tyler Skaggs – not really – they drafted him but traded him exactly a year later as the PTBNL to the D Backs. Three years later – having appeared in the 2012 & 13 seasons for the D Backs – he was traded back to the Angels….
With respect the list remains short…
orange2001
Rsox the Angels have also made some blunders by trading away Patrick Corbin and Mike Clevinger who were both in their organization. Had they not traded them, then you’d be singing a different tune.
Rsox
We can’t say Corbin or Clevinger would have turned out the same if they stayed with Angels
Halo11Fan
They also had Kirby Yates. The last several GMs have made a ton of huge mistakes. HUGE!!!!
phillyballers
Desperate for top tier pitching they sign a guy that hasn’t pitched a full game in 2 years to a +20M deal. This isn’t like oh we’ll take a chance, this is betting what 1/8th of your pre luxury cap on a guy that probably won’t even pitch a full season if he pitches at all? Need someone else to make the decisions over there, because it also cost you draft compensation.
i like al conin
Thumbs down. This isn’t their last move.
leftcoaster
Mets made another mistake.
rct
In not signing Thor? I don’t agree, and I’m a big fan of his.
2017 – major injury, missed a lot of time
2018 – pitched great
2019 – league average
2020 – injured, missed the season
2021 – injured, pitched two innings
If the Angels want to give him $21 million and give up a draft pick in the process, I’m fine with that. I’d rather they spend that money on someone more reliable, especially considering how many injuries they had to their staff this year. Penciling in Syndergaard would be a mistake.
Samuel
Who says the Mets didn’t want to sign him?
We don’t know that.
Speaking for myself, Cohen and Alderson appear to be world-class spinners. I don’t believe a word they say anymore. I’ll wait to see what they produce.
carllafong
Yes we do know that. If the Mets wanted to sign him they would have signed him. Cohen is by far the wealthiest owner in the league. All they had to was call him– they did not. They wanted the second round pick. If Syndergaard flames out they’ll look smart. They still have the $21MM to spend and they have the pick– they’ll be fine.. if they didn’t have Eppler.
Dustyslambchops23
Bad take. They offered him 18.4 mil, everything else you mentioned is either rumour or opinion, zero facts.
Also saying Cohen is the richest owner is meaningless, they are all billionaires
meckert
Here’s the thing: the Mets made him an offer of 18.4M. Now if he had a better offer but really wanted to stay with the Mets then his agent should have tried to get a better offer from the Mets, right? I don’t recall hearing that this was the case. Now he claims he didn’t want to deal with the front office “drama”. Seriously? His job is to take the ball and pitch. (Which he hasn’t done very often the last two years incidentally.) He didn’t have a problem ignoring his front office when he refused an MRI in 2017 and subsequently tore his lay and missed most of the season. Frankly I always thought he was kind of a rock head.
Strosfn79
Players get screwed for years by being forced to play for below market value and for a team they have no control over.
If he wanted to get away from drama once he finally had some say in his own career choices, then why is it a problem?
Angels & NL West
I’m in the minority, but Perry selling Thor on the Angels, and the way he did so, is another sign that Perry may be a very good GM in the making.
i like al conin
I like.
carllafong
Perry was a big part of building the Braves– he knows talent.
implant
Started out scrubbing toilets.
HalosHeavenJJ
Agreed.
BobGibsonFan
Over under of thor being on the IL by opening day?
CursedRangers
Assuming opening day isn’t delayed to a lockout / strike I’d say it’s a greater likelihood he is on the IL at the start of the season. He’s been injured two of his last three years. Only pitched twice at the end of last year, with poor results.
Even if healthy, the Angels won’t be able to pitch him more than 125 innings. The innings restriction is what makes this signing so baffling. They should have tacked on another year, with a team option, so they have a chance to capture any upside if he does somehow revert to the pitcher he was in 2018.
jim stem
He’ll experience arm tightness in spring training, they’ll shut him down and send him for tests. Then he’ll be behind coming out of ST and stay back to build up his arm strength. He’ll start the season on the IL, then be on a strict pitch count around 75, which makes him a 4 inning pitcher who decimated the bullpen.
Facing full time DH’s, tossing about 140 innings, I think you see a 4-5 record with a 4.25 era. Does that help the Angels reach the post season?
Dude needs to be turned into a closer. Period.
Halo11Fan
Sound great. Taking 140 innings at 4.25 versus those 140 innings at 6.25 is a bargain at 20 million.
The Angels keep spending 10 million on pitchers who keep posting that 6+ ERA. Shaving 2+ runs for only a extra 11 million is music to my ears.
The Angels have been incredibly bad at trying to get more foe less.
It’s why I think this is a good signing. Even those numbers are worth it.
Deleted_User
LOL
Robrock30
I believe Thor will Make the Angels Great Again! It’s nice to be wooed and I know as I have been wooed myself. Nice job by Perry Minasian here for being like Avis and trying Harder. Sleepy Sandy Alderson just assumed that all he had to do was dangle the QO and that would hook Thor. Surprise!
jim stem
So basically, Syndergaard bought into the sales pitch. What pitcher have the Angels ever “fixed”?
I wonder if Eppler was involved in any of these conversations? Wouldn’t that be interesting?
Robrock30
Jim Stem,
You have heard of Hansel Robles but that was short lived. Maybe Darren Oliver and Dylan Bundy are other examples. They did wonders with Matt Shoemaker as well.
jim stem
@robrock. Oliver, Bundy and Shoemaker aren’t making 21 million with pacifiers.
All kidding aside, Syndergaard comes off as a guy whose primary college class was Rocks For Jocks 101. He’s his own worst enemy.
I’ve watched him since he arrived with the Mets and he was much more effective when he was counted on for much. He’s horrible with runners in base and will be extremely hittable when his 99 becomes 96. He has relied way too much on his slider and his fastball is straight.
What he DOES have going for him is great control and a very strong lower half and core. But he wants to strike everyone out and has failed to adapt as he’s aged. He might give up 40 homers in the AL.
csalko
Over/Under 72 innings for Noah this season???
What you all got?
Honestly even if he were still on my team I wouldn’t be too bullish.
rpoabr
Judging the Thor signing is simple.
If this is the only high end SP signing, then it’s a very bad gamble. Add in even just one more top tier SP and it’s a great move. The potential of an Ohtani-Thor~X 1-2-3 along with the young group behind them looks good.
Come on Perry, work some more of that magic on another!
LordD99
I wasn’t aware Syndergaard needed to be “fixed,” or that this is a make-or-break year for him at 29. He simply needs to show he’s healthy. His last full season, 2019, was a down year for him comparatively, but he still pitched close to 200 innings, K’d over 200 batters, and had a 3.60 FIP. He’ll have a good market even at that level, anything better he’ll have a huge market. It’s still a weird contract on both sides. The Angels pay him a lot of money, lose a draft pick, promise to fix him, all so he can walk away to make more money with another team and get nothing in return? They can’t even QO him. On his side, he still has to worry they’ll push him too hard his first year back knowing he’s walking at season’s end.
The more interesting comments were about the Mets lack of contact with him and his view on the front office confusion. Cohen says he want to be like the Dodgers. He has no chance of doing that creating a culture of confusion.
rocky7
Frankly, if he’s healthy and can effectively pitch regardless of an innings limit, its all upside for Thor given that its a 1 year contract and if all goes well, the Angels have the obvious opportunity to sign him long term…..if they hesitate, and again if he proves effective regardless of innings pitched, he’ll get a big multi year payday.
jim stem
@llord99
Then again, Matt Harvey still gets contracts every year. Can you believe he’s only 32? Syndergaard follows his career path unless he figures out that stretching is more important then bench pressing.
BootyDrip
Yes, we all know the Rangers have plenty to spend right now. They are saying the right things as well. Doing their due diligence. I have an extremely hard time seeing them signing any real big name guy. Just my opinion. I just don’t see it happening
Yankee-4-Lifer 75
The A’s can “shoot for the moon” all they want. But Jasson Dominguez and Anthony Volpe will not be involved at all in a Matt Olson trade. Oakland needs “to move sooner than later” so they can afford to keep players like a Matt Olson. The Yankees should just re-sign Anthony Rizzo for a couple of years already.
dirtholio
I always keep an eye on the rival AL West teams and the spending habits of you guys in Anaheim has always baffled me. Trust me, I can commiserate with your struggle (Rangers fan) but maybe im wrong, but it feels like you guys make a big splash every year but consistently miss signing those nuts and boots pieces that championships are built on. I actually like the Thor signing. It’s (relatively) low risk at a 1-year deal and anything you get from him will be better than most of the AL west starters. I think the thing so would be worried about most is you guys finished 23rd in MLB in team defense last year (one above Texas lol). Nothing kills momentum, and a quality start like errors. Where else is your management looking to spend over the winter, seems like that would be a big area to improve.
JackStrawb
“This lack of communication may have been the result of the Mets’ long search for a new front office boss,…”
—It’s an odd assertion. Alderson couldn’t have made two 15 minute phone calls over two weeks, and assigned an Assistant GM to develop a plan for Syndergaard? It’s hardly the case that ‘Looking for Eppler’ takes every waking moment.
Strange signing, in any case. With the QO pick and the value of the forfeited bonus money, 120-140 innings from Noah costs the Angels about $30m. He was barely worth that at his healthy best in more innings.
In any case, typical Mets, having no idea what was going on, unable to figure out what they really wanted or what the player was really worth. Noah’s been with the Mets since 2013 and, as with Matz and Wheeler, they seem to have no idea what they’ve got.
And they’re bringing pitching savant (1/$11m to Matt Harvey for 2019) Billy Eppler? Amazing Mets indeed.
Bob333
He said he did not want to be there with all the DRAMA.
Spare Tire Dixon
The A’s have lots of leverage here and should absolutely shake down every team for their best offers on Olson. That guy is a franchise player.