Tigers shortstop prospect Ryan Kreidler has drawn trade interest from other teams, GM Al Avila told MLB.com’s Jason Beck and other reporters. A fourth-round pick for Detroit in the 2019 draft, Kreidler hit a combined .270/.349/.454 with 22 home runs over 550 plate appearances at the Double-A and Triple-A levels this season, saving his best offensive work (.926 OPS) for his 162 PA with Triple-A Toledo. This production came with quite a bit of swing-and-miss, but Kreidler also cut down on his strikeouts once reaching Triple-A.
It seems like the 24-year-old might be able to help a team as soon as 2022, so it isn’t surprising that clubs are eyeing Kreidler as a potential trade chip, especially considering Detroit has been checking in on the biggest names in the free agent shortstop market. Kreidler could be expendable if the Tigers sign one of those top shortstops, though Avila said that the team’s pursuit may not stop at the free agent market. Trading for a shortstop is “possible. It’s the hardest way of doing it, but it’s possible.”
More from around the AL Central…
- The Twins are another club looking for shortstop help but don’t figure to spend big on the major names, as The Athletic’s Aaron Gleeman and Dan Hayes figuring Minnesota will target a short-term name as a bridge to prospects Royce Lewis or Austin Martin. It isn’t completely out of the question that the Twins go after a star (they had interest in Marcus Semien last winter, for instance) but players like Freddy Galvis, Jose Iglesias, or old friend Andrelton Simmons might be more of a fit. As for trade possibilities, Gleeman and Hayes write that Didi Gregorius “was on the Twins’ radar last offseason” before he signed a two-year deal with the Phillies. Gregorius struggled in 2021, however, which cost him a surefire starting job in Philadelphia next year, and might have also given the Twins pause about acquiring the veteran. On Minnesota’s current roster, Jorge Polanco could be moved back to shortstop as a stopgap option, though the Twins would greatly prefer to keep Polanco at second base.
- After signing Kendall Graveman to bolster the bullpen, the White Sox are aiming high and looking to now add a second baseman and “a front line starter,” according to USA Today’s Bob Nightengale (via Twitter). Semien and Robbie Ray are mentioned by name, yet this could indicate that the Sox are just prepared to look at the top of the market to fill their needs, rather than necessarily a specific interest in either of those players. This is itself notable given that the White Sox payroll is already projected for a new record-high for the team, and spending big on a player like Semien or Ray would take Chicago into luxury tax range for the first time ever. Semien, of course, is already a familiar figure on the South Side, as spent his first two MLB seasons with the White Sox before being dealt to the Athletics in December 2014.
Joseph Gonzalez
I will always love didi but I’m thankful cashman let him go at the right time. Hope he has some left in the tank though. I miss his tweets after his team wins lol
Backup Catcher to the Backup Catcher
Maybe ChiSox trade for Didi to play 2B? It wouldn’t take much to acquire him. Phillies like what they see in Stott and would not be averse to starting him at SS on Opening Day.
Didi is stretched a tad at SS. Oh, the arm is still solid enough, but less than ideal range is an issue. Moving to the other side of second base might be the answer.
JMHO, but I think Didi’s down year with the bat was due to him being injured. He had recurring elbow problems all year. And don’t forget, in 2020, albeit in a shortened season, Didi was the Phillies most consistent hitter.
ChiSox_Fan
No Didi.
A Leury Garcia and Romy Gonzalez platoon a better choice than Didi.
ChiSoxCity
Resigning Leury is just kicking a can down the road. The Sox need a quality everyday 2B.
Just sign Semien already!
ChiSox_Fan
Semien not worth a 7-8 year contract.
ChiSox_Fan
BTW
Why is NO ONE talking about extending Jason Benetti contract?!!!
He is so versatile! We may lose him to the 4-letter network!!
ayrbhoy
If CWS signs a Top 10-15 FA to play 2B AND Robbie Ray in addition to the newly signed Gravedigger- surely they are destined for the AL cellar. We all know that the team who “wins the offseason” never succeeds in the next season! Haha.
Seriously though- that roster/Org is absolutely bulging with talent. I hope ‘my team’ the Mariners eventually produce players as talented as some of the players on that CWS roster. If they stay healthy it should be a fun ride for fans of the Pale Hose.
The Baseball Fan
Agreed- coming from a white Sox fan who’s second team is Seattle. Hoping for an ALDS/CS between our teams next year!
Dogbone
Aren’t the Chisox still trying to work something out with Barry Bonds. Hype hype hype.
Chisox have to offer definite overpays to get free agents.
stevep-4
Baez would fit the free swinging culture of the team; but what they really need is a 2b who can provide solid at bats and get on base…sort of what Madrigal was supposed to be.
ayrbhoy
Hype nothing! You don’t need to be a fan of CWS or play fantasy baseball to see all the talent on that roster. Any fan of the sport can see that.
CluHaywood
Yeah, ok Jason Heyward…
CluHaywood
Dogbone is a chronic troll. You can ignore 100% of what is said from them.
LSH99
What a worthless comment. Which teams are getting discounts on FAs?
atlas bunts
Overpay? This is 2021/2022, not 1998 or 2007, things have changed. Too bad you missed it
alproof
Giving up Madrigal was a braindead move. Watch him with the Cubs this year.
LSH99
I like Madrigal, but a lot of teams reportedly had no interest in drafting him at all because he’s a one-trick pony. Everybody likes the high-contact guys, and I’m one of them, but his glove is only ok, he is not fast, and he has no power. He is going to be a nice high-contact, high-average guy for the Cubs, but he’s not irreplaceable.
stymeedone
Think Placido Polanco. He was a very nice player for several teams.
Slapshot53
Dogbone quit doing your mom, close the shades next time.
Hammmbone
Dogbone, no they don’t. Lance Lynn signed a two-year extension for under $40 million. Yes, the same Lance Lynn who was top 5 in Cy Young voting the last three years. I would rethink that statement before looking dumb.
alproof
Madrigal will do it big time for the Cubs. Foolish trade.
Doug_Bond
It’s kind of ridiculous how much talent they have, and how well the team is constructed… LaRussa is the only real problem. I figure they replace him for the 2023 season and REALLY compete a year from now.
I think that’s been the plan since they traded Sale.
Curly Was The Smart Stooge
With all due respect, Chicago is one of the most dangerous cities to live in the US, how do you get prospective ball players to come to your city?
ChiSox_Fan
By offering the most $.
That’s all that counts.
ChiSox_Fan
Just watched rebroadcast of Carlos Rodon’s 2021 no hitter vs. Cleveland. Only baserunner preventing a perfect game was Perez – hit on his toe when Perez didn’t move an inch from an inside pitch.
Sox knocked out Plesac after 2/3 of an inning. But the real story was Rodon!
Not sure what it may cost the Sox…
but I hope the Sox stay in the running and make a solid offer to sign Carlos for 2022 and beyond!
bearsfan49055
Hello they live in the suburbs!!
ChiSoxCity
It’s only dangerous if you live in one of the low income neighborhoods on the south or west side. That’s every large city in America.
Curly Was The Smart Stooge
Oh, so you’re white privilege?
dirtybird
You are a moron if you believe a baseball player making millions is going to live in the hood….
LSH99
TF does this even mean?
Bart Harley Jarvis
Too many wannabe cultural anthropology PhDs on this site. Everyone needs to stick to baseball and should avoid the cringeworthy social commentary. On a positive note, no one’s calling each other cucks or snowflakes.
Dtownwarrior78
I think it’s HILARIOUS when morons bring up the whole “Dangerous City” aspect of signing FA’s! It’s not like when CWS sign a FA or the Detroit Tigers for that matter, they are going to stay in a dark alley downtown to live!?!? These cities may have high crime rates, but they also have beautiful areas and these things called suburbs that are 10 minutes away from the parks. I highly doubt that when Eduardo Rodriguez signed with DET that he is going to live on 8 Mile Rd in Detroit! Lmao…
zappaforprez
Detroit is in the 34th richest county in Michigan. To put it lightly, Detroit doesn’t represent the state at all. Michigan mostly laughs at Detroit as a municipality. Anyone that signs here will, and has loved it. It’s Florida and Colorado mixed, without the sister-kissing.
southsidekev
People are people wherever you go. If you don’t want controversy then don’t go around projecting your negative on other people and they will probably leave you alone. Maybe you should go to a Sox game and walk around before you discriminate. As a 40 yo small white male I run service calls over the city and I have nothing but great experiences with all my Chicagoans.if your scared stay home! And stick to baseball!!
Scores Man
You clearly have never been to Chicago.
LSH99
I live in Chicago and haven’t been killed once. HYPE!
socalsoxfan78
Keep watching Fox News and OANN and parroting their propaganda.
There’s an area of Chicago that’s one of the most dangerous areas. It doesn’t mean that the neighborhood around Comiskey, or that all of Chicago is dangerous. Do us all a favor and do your own research, please.
Iago407
With all due respect (really), your opinion on Chicago is not based on factual information. Chicago is statistically not even in the top 30 most dangerous US cities. MLB cities that are more dangerous include Detroit, Baltimore, Milwaukee, Houston, DC, Cleveland, Oakland and St. Louis. It’s right around Minneapolis and Cincinnati.
There are even two more dangerous cities to live in within Illinois than Chicago; Rockford and Peoria. Please do actual research before parroting bad information.
Franklin
I just wonder when if ever they will get that much needed right fielder?
ChiSox_Fan
Sheets and Garcia platoon for RF.
ChiSox_Fan
And let’s not forget about Oscar Colas!!
agrorolm
Where they will not get beyond winning maybe one game in an ALDS.
dsett75
Texas is looking pretty good at “winning the offseason” so far. They now have Seager and Semien up the middle! Wow!!
soxtober05
Once AGAIN…Hahn asleep at the wheel.
Bye-bye Ray
Bye-bye Semien…
ChiSox_Fan
Go SOX!!
ChiSox_Fan
I think Jean Segura likely the Sox’ 2022 2B in Kimbrel trade with Phillies.
Gotta get past the Segura no trade clause in his contract.
Rsk3228
Didi would be better to trade than Segura. He can no longer play short, but would be a solid second baseman for the White Sox. Philly needs to keep Segura’s bat in the lineup.
The Baseball Fan
Agreed, Segura for Kimbrel straight up would be a nice deal
Rsox
I doubt the White Sox traded Madrigal and Huer to parlay Kimbrel into Jean Segura.
Maybe Javy Baez?
The Baseball Fan
If they can find a way to trade for a free agent… then sure! By all means! Why not trade for Scherzer and Ray too!
ChiSox_Fan
Too many K’s for Baez. Cubs’ stink comes along with Baez.
No thanks.
Rsox
They could sign Baez. No one said anything about trading for him.
Do White Sox fans hate Kimbrel that much that it blinds the ability to reason?
The Baseball Fan
You made the inference that trading Kimbrel for Segura is not enough, so you said “maybe Baez?” Which infers that Kimbrel for Baez would be a good deal. Any reasonable person would know what you were saying
The Baseball Fan
And no, we don’t hate Kimbrel at all. We just think he deserves a closer role which the White Sox can’t currently provide, so we must trade him. Is that too complicated for you?
Doug_Bond
Give me a break, Kimbrel worked North but f*%ked up in the south, has a large price tag….
The Sox COULD pay him, they just won’t., especially after signing Graveman.
LSH99
Agreed. Just getting Segura would be very disappointing. I bet Baez signs with Texas.
Franklin
I just wonder when if ever they will get that much needed right fielder?
Franklin
I just wonder when if ever they will get that much needed right fielder?you need to draw pictures for cubbies fans lol
IronBallsMcGinty
With Sheets and Cespedes they might just be good in RF.
agrorolm
“Seguro que no!”
DarkSide830
that’s not happening. losing Segura is another hole the Phillies have to fill in an offense that already needs fixing.
Bart Harley Jarvis
Agreed, the White Sox would be more than welcome to take a crack at fixing Scott Kingery, but Jean Segura proved in 2021 he’s too important a part of the Phillies offense.
Bart Harley Jarvis
And also get past the Phillies not wanting to trade Jean Segura…
BeeVeeTee
I was telling a few people the White Sox and Phillies were in talks with a move.
Albert Belle's corked bat
So why would the Tigers trade Ryan, a SS with team control, for a seasoned SS that will be more expensive?
nickolai
Probably don’t trust him and want to make the fans happy.
miggy4prez
My question exactly, especially if he can contribute this season per the article. At least don’t pony up for Correa with this guy in the trenches
stymeedone
Never hurts to have other teams value your prospects more than you do.
For Love of the Game
When the time comes for Kreidler to be an everyday big leaguer, put him at third and move Candelario to the outfield. Kreidler is very athletic, a solid hitter and fielder. He could be core piece, not a trade chip.
stymeedone
Candelario is only a year from free agency. Signing him to an extension would be a nice start, but they seem to be drafting 3B, so I am not optimistic. I would rather see them keep Candelario than sign Correa.
Rsox
You sign the veteran piece because you are ready to contend and Correa is a known commodity with postseason success.
If Kriedler is that good then a position change would be forthcoming. With Torkelson on the way as well he will man one of the corners. If at 1B maybe try Kriedler at 3B, if Torkelson stays at 3B than try Kriedler at 2B. Maybe Torkelson can play the OF. Someone can DH. The possibility of Correa signing doesn’t mean the Tigers can’t keep all of them
Doug_Bond
Hinch wants Correa. It is what it is.
stymeedone
Wasn’t saying they can’t keep all of them, I was just saying signing Candelario should be more important than signing an overpriced SS.
Rsox
Candelario is not going to break the bank so its possible to sign him to a new deal and still sign Correa.
BrandonF87
Kreidler
Consensus is that he’s an average MLB SS at best. Which is okay there’s certainly value in that, but it doesn’t appear he’s going to be the long term answer at SS.
tigerdoc616
At best. Most peg Kreidler as a utility type player. He has developed nice power but still too much swing and miss in his profile that MLB pitchers will eat alive. It is possible he‘ll figure it out and be a legit hitter in the majors but that is a big IF. And IF he does, you’ll find a place for him to play or trade him for something you need down the line. But certainly not someone that would keep you out of the SS market if you are the Tigers.
I don’t blame other GM’s for checking in on Kreidler though, hoping they can buy low on him given the Tigers’ plans. Avila is smart enough to not fall for that.
SportsFan0000
So you are a Scout now?!
Kreidler was a standout at UCLA in the Pac 12.
Kreidler had a very good season@ AA and AAA with 22 home runs and impressive fielding stats @ AAA.
Kreidler looks like he could be a breakout candidate and
a quality starting SS on both sides of the ball in the major leagues.
Otherwise, other GMs would not be calling to take him off the Tigers hands.
TroyVan
It’s all about the window of contention. It finally opens in 2022. But, it doesn’t stay open for long. The biggest hole for the Tigers last season was Shortstop. So, you can’t go into that first year of contention without addressing the Shortstop position.
They’d like to wait to see if Kreidler pans out, but chances are, he will come with some growing pains in his first season, so counting on Kriedler for 2022 would be a big gamble.
My opinion has them signing a stop-gap Shortstop to buy some time for Kriedler to develop. This is financially prudent because of the long term financial commitment required to sign any of them. It’s not my money, but I’d rather they keep that money in the coffers to address other holes that will undoubtedly open up in the future.
Fiscal prudence is a key requirement in keeping that window of contention open as long as possible. That’s also known as sustainable success.
BSHH
There is indeed no tangible motivation to trade Kreidler, who would likely not fetch any massive return anyway. But this question has little bearing on how the Tigers will fill their void at SS.
Correa and others are available as FAs. The Tigers are neither cash-strapped nor tormented by any inflated payroll (despite the painful Cabrera contract). Why shouldn’t they sign a superstar FA like Correa now?
Gruß,
BSHH
TroyVan
Kriedler can also play 3B. If the Tigers do sign one of the big SS free agents, I imagine Kriedler would be Candelerio’s replacement. I can’t see them trading him away for that reason.
stymeedone
Because 10 year contracts are never a good idea.
SportsFan0000
Because it would be foolish for a small market team like the Tigers to pour a significant amount of their yearly revenues into a shortstop that wants 340M+
It would be a crazy move.
Houstoncolt45s
My best guess is that if the Tigers strikeout on all the top SS on the market this offseason, which seems unlikely based on recent comments from AA and Ilitch, then Kreidler IS the stopgap to something better in the form of Trae Turner or someone else next offseason. I don’t think many view Kreidler as having a ceiling much higher than a useful utility infielder. Personally, he reminds me too much of Willi Castro – intriguing and a very good piece to have stashed in the upper minors or on the bench, but ultimately hindered by a middling to poor glove at SS and an unsustainably high BABIP in their respective standout seasons.
Of course, I would love it if Kreidler proves all his doubters wrong (which seems that it now includes the Tigers FO), I just don’t see that happening. Athletic, unproven infielders with some power are a dime a dozen these days. Hopefully AA and Ilitch see SS as a position of weakness that could be turned into one of strength with the addition of Correa/Semien/Seager.
stymeedone
Where have you seen anything showing Kreidler as being lacking defensively?
BobGibsonFan
The only complaint on Kreidler has been his strike outs. As far as the Tigers striking out on shortstops… where else will these guys sign? What teams are throwing around 200+ million dollar contracts this year?
The Dodgers? They are pushing $300 mil and they have an excellent shortstop. They also want to keep Kershaw, Scherzer and Taylor.
The Yankees? They just got under the luxury cap and have a bunch of needs. They also would like to extend Judge.
Red Sox? They need pitching. Bogaerts can walk next year. but I bet they extend him based on the market this winter.
Padres are maxed out
Angels are maxed out
White sox can’t afford a big deal like these.
Cards are maxed out.
I could see the Phillies signing one of the top 5.
Maybe the Rangers.
Tigers have the money and the need. There will be little competition, so I think there is no fear of topping any predictions for shortstops.
SportsFan0000
Kreidler wasn’t a utility player in college @ UCLA in the Pac 10,
Don’t know where you are getting this “utility player” name tag which appears to be inaccurate.
Tigers should give Kreidler a shot at starting SS or 2B.
tigerdoc616
The Tigers have no real SS in their system that will be average or better. Kreidler is likely a utility player at best. Not the type you go for a stop gap to see if he’ll develop, especially when there are some really good SS that can hold that position for several years. The Tigers are otherwise set up for a possible extended window. Mize and Skubal came up last year, Manning this year. Jobe and Madden could possibly slot in down the line if these guys leave as free agents. Tork and Greene should be up this year and as they get close to free agency, Campos Should be ready. The key will be having pieces to go with these players. A SS like Correa will likely be able to bridge all of that and more. So fiscal prudence in this case might not be the right thing to do.
SportsFan0000
Wrong! Tigers have multiple SS s in their farm system including some promising International free agents.
Doug_Bond
La Russa?
ChiSox_Fan
La Russa going nowhere!
GarryHarris
This article points out that other teams are interested in Ryan Kreidler and he might be ready in 2022.
But then spreads the bs that the Tigers will trade him because they’re going after one of the free agent SS.
It goes against common sense that the Tigers acquire another SS when they have Kreidler on the way. The Tigers may acquire a stop gap SS but they already have Zach Short for that.
The Tigers are not a few players shy of contending. They will likely not have a better record next season because look for the ALC to improve.
BrandonF87
Kreidler doesn’t appear to be the long term answer or a stop gap. Zach Short is absolutely not a stop gap. Shirt is a back up/utility on his best days.
GarryHarris
The point I meant to make is that the Tigers will not sign a high cost free agent SS. They will likely trade for a SS. They are more likely to keep Short than go with a high cost free agent. If they don’t, They will eventually bring up Kreidler and see if he emerges as a solution. Regardless, the Tigers are not ready for high profile players .
SportsFan0000
It is is just talk. GMs around the league rate Kreidler highly as a SS who is young, cheap, under club control for 6-7 years. They would love to land him if the Tigers signed a free agent SS.
Harry074
AA- Go get Gleybor Torres from the Yankees. He is a good bounce back candidate.
pensacola sox fan
As a White Sox fan we don’t want Semien would rather have Segura as far as a front line pitcher I’m open for suggestions
stevep-4
I can pitch.
ChiSoxCity
Are you insane?
The Baseball Fan
As another Sox fan, I’m good with anyone as long as we have a guy who can hit and play palpable defense at 2nd by opening day
roob
No way the Sox sign either of Semien or Ray. Nightingale is Jerry’s shill trying to get Sox fans to believe the team will spend big.
They do have a lot of talent but not WS talent. Spending with the big boys? I’ll believe it when I see it.
pensacola sox fan
You’ve already seen it! In 2021 the CWS ranked 4th in salary @ $156MM go troll on another site please.
phantomofdb
Honestly, if the twins “solve” their shortstop hole by resigning Andrelton Simmons… they deserve no support from their fans.
msqboxer
I think the CWS will keep in touch with Semien, but eventually will be outbid. They will also keep an eye on Leury Garcia and if the numbers work they’ll resign him and platoon him with Romy Gonzalez. I don’t see them signing a top tier starting pitcher unless it’s someone on a one year deal like a Kershaw who had some great years with Grandal behind the dish catching him.
IronBallsMcGinty
They need to find a way to trade Dallas.
ChiSox_Fan
If someone offers Garcia a full time job with a big contract, good for him! He earned it!
If not, I want him back.
I miss Yolmer, too, but that ship has sailed.
PutPeteinthehall
Garcia is a Super Utility player. Every team needs one. Hopefully WS can re sign him. Semien should be a target too.. Boras will want a fortune for Rodon and his health problems. Kershaw not playing for a Chicago team ever. They will have a limited amount of free agent starters to attempt to sign and will possibly add one by trade.
ChiSox_Fan
Thankfully, Sox have 24 year old Yolbert Sanchez (2B) from Cuba in their AA minors.
amk1920
PSA to fans of clubs not named Dodgers: Clayton Kershaw isn’t going to your team.
CalcetinesBlancos
If Leury comes back The Russa will start him constantly because he’s too dense to realize he’s not a starter, so that’s a hard no on him from me.
ChiSox_Fan
Sox will make a big splash next week!
Top talent signing!
Biggest $ Sox contract ever.
Who will it be…?
Naysayers need NOT reply. I have you all muted!!
ChiSox_Fan
Hopefully, any other position player(s) the Sox acquire bats LEFTY (or switch hitter of course)!
stymeedone
Hoping they sign Conforto. Limited player who will get a regrettable contract.
tstats
Am I a naysayer?
ChiSox_Fan
Not yet
Dogbone
I wonder if Chisox fan realizes that Reinsdorf loves using his ‘interest’ in FA’s, as nothing but hype. False promotional opportunities. After all, I think they’re still interested in Barry Bonds.
stevep-4
Muted
BobGibsonFan
White sox have a massive payroll already and they have some young players that will need $. I dont see a major signing.
WtfMate
Get boned, dog
CalcetinesBlancos
Dogbone did you escape from the memory ward? You already made the same dumb Bonds “joke”on this thread.
ChiSoxCity
Dogbone, it’s ok man. We both know you love what’s happening on the southside. Save the snarky comments for when they’re window closes and they have nothing to play for. You know, kinda like your hapless cubs.
Deleted_User
LOL
Dumpster Divin Theo
Day after day, alone on a hill, the troll of a thousand voices, talking perfectly loud. But nobody ever hears him, or the sound he appears to make
BobGibsonFan
You said “nay”.
tstats
Drat you got me :/
Deleted_User
LOL
Franklin
Speculation at best
Nobody can predict Hahn. He is his own man. Have they gotten a first string right fielder yet
imissjoebuzas
White Sox grab Marcus Stroman. Not for any other reason than to help my standings in the free agent prediction pool. ( well, he will probably come less expensive than Robbie Ray….)
bross16
Well he already said he’d never play for Tony La Russ’s so that might’ve been a bad prediction
BSHH
Semien said such a thing? Wasn’t that Stroman?
Gruß,
BSHH
bross16
Well he said Stroman not Semien
BSHH
Of course he did; please excuse my mistake! Obviously, all I can see as a Tigers fan are possible SS solutions now…
Gruß,
BSHH
Rsox
Hmmm. Perhaps Buxton to the Phillies for Gregorious and Nola? Or Gregorious, Eflin, prospects?
stymeedone
Buxton is likely available but the return coming back won’t include any dump contracts. Phillies will be keeping their bad contract players.
BobGibsonFan
Look for the phillies to be major players. They didnt sign dombrowski to sit on his hands. Watch him trade a bunch of prospects… sign a big name free agent.
twins33
Doesn’t make any sense for the Twins to take Gregorious. He was atrocious on defense and offense. They could just resign Simmons, if they wanted to repeat that offense but have way better defense.
Nola would be a nice get for the Twins though. I’m still hoping Buxton is re-signed.
jhomeslice
I will believe the White Sox are interested in Semien or Ray when they actually sign one of them. That is exactly what they need to do if they want to get to another level. There are risks to either, sure, but it’s better than not trying.
DarkSide830
Nola isnt worth a year of Buxton
CalcetinesBlancos
Few things are worth a year (like 30 games) of Buxton lol.
tstats
We should do buxtons WAR like a starter, same about of games
CalcetinesBlancos
Semien would be a great fit. Work him in at DH liberally to keep him fresh, and on those days you have a DH with both speed and power. Hell yeah.
WrongM
I’m not as impatient as some Twins fans I’ve seen, but I was hoping the “Twins” in the headline here portended some new news – beyond “they need a shortstop, no one knows what they’ll do about it, odds are they aren’t shopping at the high end,” which is a “known known” at this point…
(To be clear, if they end up getting a SS in the Galvis/Iglesias tier, I think that’s totally defensible if they’re also investing more in pitching.)
Red Wings
Jim Leland and others have raved about Kreidler. Why spend $300 million if you have an in house candidate? Is signing a big FA just to save face with the fan base?
tigersgm
Agree keep kreidler, no correa for a decade, trade Avila
CalcetinesBlancos
Signing Ray would be a mistake. So I hope Detroit signs him lol.
stymeedone
Already had him. Traded him.
The Saber-toothed Superfife
It’s so obvious what the Tigers could be, should be and would be doing right now.
Holy Moly, are they all blind?
gavilan
trade Frazer, from SAN diego?
to4
I would just start Austin Martin at 3B, Lewis at SS and leave Polanco along in 2B and let the kids play. Buxton finally showed flashes of what he can do when healthy last season, Kirilloff seems to start to come around so, I would just let them play and focus on pitching !
Dtownwarrior78
Am I the only Tigers fan that wants absolutely NOTHING to do with Correa? Does anyone else see him dropping off the map numbers wise (and most likely health wise) as soon as he gets his payday? I can see this being an anchor contract, and I would MUCH rather sign Semien to a heavier AAV contract for 4-5 years and then possibly grab another middle-of-the-road OF like Suzuki and then another free agent SP and call it an off-season. This way, you can put Kreidler at SS in he hits right out of Spring Training, and you have an OF that would consist of Grossman-Baddoo-Suzuki (until Greene is ready to come up) and at that point we’ll have a hell of a 4th OFer on the bench. Then our IF would be Candy, Kreidler, Semien and Schoop until Tork comes up. That’s a nice start to a solid lineup!
BSHH
Correa has been quite consistent, so I don’t see him dropping off worse after signing a huge contract than any other star player. His slight arrogance alone should prevent him from doing so. He is also the best bet to provide long-term value with his bat and his glove.
Suzuki is an interesting option, but before the Tigers have determined which position Greene can play and how much Baddoo’s rookie season has been a fluke, I don’t see them investing much in a corner OF. And after they obviously passed on getting Miley from Cincinnati along with Barnhart, I don’t expect them to sign another notable starter either (both would be fine with me, by the way).
Gruß,
BSHH
Detroit_SP
I would like to know what it would cost to acquire CJ Abrams and Eric Hosmer. I would much rather eat Hosmer’s contract than give ANYONE $300M.
Abrams + Hosmer for Soto + Cabrera/Meadows?
What would it cost for them to also buy Campusano + Myers? Maybe for Workman + Turnbull? If Turnbull can make it back in 2022, it is a lot more attractive. I haven’t heard an update to his surgery / expected recovery.
Maybe Campusano + Kim for Madden + Workman?
tigerdoc616
Abrams is pretty much untouchable according to those in the know with the Padres.
Detroit_SP
Most top prospects are “pretty much” untouchable, but there rarely are truly untouchable prospects. You just need to match the value needed to convince a team to offload them.
SWR, Keibert Ruiz, Austin Martin was a top-15 prospect when he was moved last year.
What do you think gets Abrams moved?
Dtownwarrior78
I agree there. Abrams may be untouchable until he isn’t, and depending on what happens with the new CBA and where they place the luxury tax line, SD may very well offer up an Abrams type to get Hosmer off their books. But we’re going to have to give alot more than that back. Soto would be a starting spot, and then I would guess maybe a Dylan Smith/Izaac Pacheco type prospect (top 5 in DET farm). But that is a very interesting option at SS rather than paying 9 figures to an established player. But what would REALLY sting would be if we completed that trade, took on that albatross contract only to have Kreidler knock the cover off the ball in ST! Lol, that’s why I love baseball off-season!
The Saber-toothed Superfife
Homer=$60M but that’s spread.out over several years.
More likely= Meyers+Kim =~$50M ($30M this year) that’s got to be worth something to someone looking to realign/buy. Candelario would help them protect their investments in 1st and 3rd base. Fulmer is still a great pitcher. A couple.prospects like D Cabrera,T Cruz, not dog meat you know….. Could we get Abrams, Hassell?
How manymofmthese.big spenders would.pay us to provide salary relief?
Dombrowski dumps Gregorious? Brantley Jr? Girchuck, Kiermeier?
Lots of them out there….
It.would.be a heckof a lot.more.interesting and cost effective in the long run.
How could one obtain LUCIANO from SF? It’s a challenge. Nothing shows me they (Det) are up to any difficult tasks what so ever or anything challenging for that matter…..
The Saber-toothed Superfife
No one expected the Blue Jay’s to trade their guy either……so you gotta try.
SportsFan0000
Turnbull is untouchable. Why give up a proven, young, cost controlled top of the rotation starter.
Hosmer is not a fit in Detroit.
Will Myers, perhaps.
Abrams would be a good get for Will Myers contract dump and maybe a prospect.
tigerdoc616
You are not, but one of a few, not one of many. Semien is 4 years older than Correa and more likely to decline and not be worth his contract. Even if you give Correa 10 years he’ll be worth it for a greater proportion of his contract than Semien.
Kreidler is unlikely to be ready to be SS out of spring training. Hell, Tork and Greene are much closer to MLB ready than he is. This SS class is loaded, and the Tigers have no legit SS prospect. No, Kreidler is not a legit SS prospect, no matter what hype you have heard. He could prove his naysayers wrong, but if he does, then you find a place for him to play or use him to trade for something else you need.
For all the love people show him, he still has a 45 FV rating, which is a bench player rating. He is not the answer to the SS problem.
SportsFan0000
Those ratings are frequently wrong. Players often outplay those ratings.
tigersgm
Avila better not trade Kreisler, we need a young up and comer, what’s wrong with u Avila. Go back to sleep
Tannel809
Madrigal was MLB ready and the CWS traded him away. I thought he was part of their future along with Luis Robert, Eloy Jimenez, Tim Anderson, and Yoan Moncada. Now they have an extra reliever who’s worth 16M and no 2B. I think that was a dumb trade tbh
rond-2
Just start Royce at SS. With a weak division, the problems Royce may have in adapting to the majors can be overcome by team play allowing the Twins to fight for the division.
Franklin
Speculation at best
Nobody can predict Hahn. He is his own man. Have they gotten a first string right fielder yet
kroeg49
When Nightingale is the source for potential White Sox free agent signing, or trades for that matter, I tend to chalk it up as BS!
jhomeslice
@kroeg49 you are correct.
tuner49
Avila is always very positive about everybody. And Kreidler’s numbers look impressive but that’s one season. MLB.com is not as high on him as Avila. Their reviews of players are usually very positive and they do say some good things about him. But their conclusion is that his ceiling is a major league super utility man and say he is a “Don Kelly” type of player. That is not who you want as your full-time shortstop if you want to compete for a championship.
They would be foolish to trade him now or expect he is their answer for shortstop. Give him another year to see if he is the real deal and keep anybody that is controllable with the potential to be part of the next 5-6 years. You always can use a ‘Don Kelly type’ of player on a winning team.
SportsFan0000
Other major league GMs think very highly of Kreidler as a major league shortstop who can hit.. Some of the player rating services and scouts have been wrong before as much as they have been right on players.
Kreidler is a “break out” player last year who was a successful SS at UCLA.
Tigers smart move would be to sign a short term SS solution like Chris Taylor.
Then, move Taylor to another position when Kreidler is ready.
Tigers should spread around the money that they don’t pay for a SS to many areas of need on their team.
Correa is great, but the Tigers should have learned their lessons from over paying numerous declining veteran players with bloated, expensive contracts
that were an anchor on the team and were the reason the Tigers had to do a complete teardown and rebuilt instead of retooling while competing.
tuner49
Correa getting 10yrs./$320MM plus an opt out clause is just the numbers on his Wish list. IMO there is no GM out there that is going to do that with this rich FA field If he was the only present in the big picture window at the store then, maybe, one would be willing to pay list price. But there are 5 top shortstops available plus several that can play but may lacking on the offensive side of the ledger. Houston has set the floor with their 5yr/160MM and anybody who goes higher in the number of years may not be willing to pay his $32MM asking AAV. I believe the ceiling will be in the 7-8yr/$224-$240MM but with any opt out no sooner than 3 years. When you are trying to lock down a very key position like shortstop, you want the security of not needing to do another search soon. I look at a 2 year opt out as getting a long rental. And if you must give a player that, then the trade off is limiting your liability on the back side of the contract. The only way a team should put 10 years on his contract is to have the last 2-3 years be vesting options if Correa meets some pre-determined terms. Too many fish in the sea you can get with much smaller bait.
The Saber-toothed Superfife
Sad.
So sad.
The Saber-toothed Superfife
Nantucket,here I come.
Airo13
Sounds like tigers are trying to hype up Kriedler as a trade chip to me… I dont think he will ever be an everyday player on a contending team.
SportsFan0000
And how many players have you scouted and signed?!
jhomeslice
This is the most recent MLB trade rumor on the Sox, several days ago with Semien, Marte, and several other free agents that would have made the Sox better off the board with the Sox nowhere in sight. Some thing never change.
hyraxwithaflamethrower
I came here to post pretty much this exact thing. Sox haven’t even seemed to be finalists in these negotiations. I had hoped that, if nothing else, the Kimbrel trade signaled the Sox were going all-in while their window was open. It was a terrible trade at the time made worse by Kimbrel’s performance, but I thought, “At least they’re making every effort and, come the offseason, maybe they’ll fill their holes in FA.”
They still have options in RF and SP, but 2B is either Taylor (overpriced, IMO) or maybe trade for Segura. Maybe those accusations about JR being content to just be in the playoff hunt but not actually winning it all are true after all.
Iago407
Honestly kinda shocked at the number of Sox fans that seem content to fill current vacancies with in-house talent. You don’t do that when you’re already a contender. Sure, if they had some ace level prospects, I could see the logic without a doubt, but the Sox don’t have those on the farm right now.
I’m hoping they’ll land Castellanos. I know he’s a liability in RF but he’d be a great bat to have in the lineup for years to come. That plus a trade for Segura and some type of mid-rotation arm like Kikuchi or Greinke would be nice. The sad part is that this shouldn’t be an insane dream scenario for a team in contention. Land a big fish, then fill out the rest of the holes with some solid talent. If they finish with Graveman and some dumpster dive options, I think we’ll have our answer about JR and the front office’s actual desire to contend.
jhomeslice
It’s not the fans that are content with the Sox doing nothing, it’s the owner! Some fans have been brainwashed to believe the false narratives Reinsdorf parrots, that they are actually limited financially rather than it being a case of an owner that is cheap as F. Most fans if they had 1.7 billion dollars, up 200 million in the past year, and were near the end of their lives would want to give something back to the fans and city that made them rich in the first place. If love of money is the root of all evil, Reinsdorf is the poster child. All the money in the world, and he won’t spend because he is a tiny, joyless man. Until he dies or sells the team, they are going nowhere. This team would not even make the playoffs if they were in either of the other two AL divisions.
ChiSoxCity
Another offseason, same ole ###. I’m about done with the half-### sports in this town.