Joey Gallo has long been one of the most inconsistent stars in baseball. If you see him on the right day, he’s a surefire MVP, a towering power hitter with surprising range in the outfield. He looks like a designated hitter, but he can passably cover centerfield.
See him on the wrong day, however, and you’ll be surprised to hear that he ever makes contact (36.9 percent career strikeout rate). He can seem passive at the plate, and when you see his sub-Mendoza-line batting average come across your TV screen, you may wonder why he’s even in the lineup.
For 58 games, the Yankees got a much heavier dose of Gallo version two as he slashed .160/.303/.404 in 228 plate appearances with a 38.6 percent strikeout rate. He did hit 13 home runs with a .245 ISO, but Yankees fans might be wondering if he’s worth the $10.2MM he’s projected to make in his final season before free agency. Joel Sherman of the New York Post explores some trade possibilities for Gallo, should the Yankees look that way this winter.
It would be a tough turnaround to flip Gallo, as they almost certainly wouldn’t be able to get as much as they gave up to get him. Besides, the short porch in Yankee Stadium still offers a tantalizing advantage for Gallo over a full season. Had he played the entire year in New York, public sentiment might be different. For the year, Gallo posted 3.5 fWAR with a .199/.351/.458 line with 38 home runs and 90 RBIs. Though you might not love the shape of it, those are solid bottom-line numbers.
In all likelihood, the Yankees hold onto Gallo for the final season of his contract. Despite their relative health this season, Aaron Judge and Giancarlo Stanton still come with a lengthy injury history, and Gallo provides significant power/patience insurance for a lineup that faltered at times.
If they do want to move him, however, they could start with the clubs that explored a trade for him at the deadline. Sherman provides that list: the Rays, White Sox, Braves, Brewers, Giants, Padres, and Phillies. The list of teams would almost certainly grow if the Yankees put him out there this winter. There’s a deal out there for the Yankees if they want it, but Gallo version one might still be the guy the Yankees want and need in the middle of their order.
Let him go!
Really? The team should keep trucking out Gardner and his 1 WAR for 140 games?
Where did Golfnut say that the Yankees should play Gardner? All he said was let Gallo go.
I found a comp to Gallo!!!
Chris Carter!!!
2016 NL Homerun Champion
33% Strikeout Rate
Released by the Yankees midway through 2017 season
Never played another ML game
So tell me again how homeruns are all that matter?
Gallo has more value than Carter. Bats are comparable but Gallo does at least give great defense.
Agreed on the defense but I think saber metrics is over relied on if your comparing Gardner to Gallo. Gallo could steal you a pennant if he and Stanton both got hot in September. He’s a starter however. if Gardner comes back again, it’s as a fourth or fifth outfielder and for that he’s still quite valuable especially if you consider investing the salary difference wisely. Personally, I just don’t see Gallo on a championship team.
Gallo gave average at best defense on the Yankees.
I don’t think the Yankees are going to move on from him unless Gallo wants out. You don’t pay a premium to get him with the extra year of control and then deal the asset in the winter at a deep discount.
You don’t?
You’re one of those tough guys who eats his mistakes even if it tanks an entire season for your multibillion dollar corporation?
You have to walk away from your mistakes.
Who is the replacement for Gallo if the Yankees dump him though? Hicks is never healthy. Stanton and judge miss games every year. Frazier may never play again. Gardner should retire.
Gallo is still an above average player overall.
If Gallo is enough to tank their entire season, they have other problems.
He’s a way below average player! He’ll hit .200-220 every year with well over 200 k’s. How is that an above average player? His only asset is power
I have zero concern about finding a left fielder for much less than he makes and he isn’t going to be worth resigning as a free agent.
He’s an above average player who is going to be overpaid and plays on a team with some big holes. It’s just wasteful to keep him.
No one said he could do it alone and if you don’t realize they have other problems you’re the only one.
Claiming his only asset is power is ignoring his patience, defense and baserunning
How about Chris Taylor or Corey Dickerson?
No way. For only $10m you got a guy with 40HR power. Gallo isn’t 33, he’s still just 27 years old. Stranger things have happened than Gallo hitting above .230, and if he can do that, I think he’s a 5 win player. He’s got all the power you need(esp w/Stanton+Judge injury history, as mentioned in the above article)plus Gallo has a Gold Glove.
A 27yo with elite power+elite defense is better to have than a guy with average power+average defense+average contact.
Just think of it as the Yankees just signed him to a 1yr/$10m deal. For a guy that’s coming off 38HR, that’s a heck of a deal. If he’s hitting .235 with 25HR by the trade deadline and the Yankees are out of it, they can get a prospect for him.
Not unlike what the Cubs got from SF for Kris Bryant, tbh.
Look at the team’s still playing. Is there a Gallo comp on any of them? His type of player hasn’t won many championships.
Can’t see the Giants being seriously interested in Gallo. The guy strikes out to much.
Way too much. The Giants have a pretty clear payroll for next season and are coming off a pretty nice season that they’d like to build off of. Gallo isn’t their guy. Go for someone a little more dependable who doesn’t have a whole lot of success in Yankee Stadium if not for the short porch. Oracle is pretty deep in right, plus the archways are pretty tall.
Their payroll won’t be that clear after they put a rotation together. Right now they have one starter, Webb, and Cueto who may or may not be done and in any case needs to be backed up because of his injury history. Add three (at least) starters and the payroll starts to creak a little.
The Giants are not picking up Cueto’s $22 million option
Castellano?
Castellano’s defense sucks. Oracle is still a big ballpark. He would be lost.
Better but will cost 2-3x more
Why not? He’s essentially a better Yastrzemski, if Yaz doesn’t change his approach next year.
Yaz is a great defender though, but he needs to go back to what made him successful the previous two seasons and stop trying to lead the team in homeruns.
Braves need to stay super far from this kid. I don’t want him PERIOD!
Lol I disagree he’s literally a better soler that everyone wants back.
Jorge Soler is a way better player! Difference Gallo better defensive player! I am a Yankees fan and if they trade gallo is fine with me! Hopefully they can sign starling Marte
Speaking of Marte, I think he’s a pretty good fit in SF
His age isn’t a good fit, add to that the contract he’ll want at said age.
Omg Soler isn’t in Gallo’s class.
Giants already oldest team in baseball. One more won’t hurt lol
This is the most ignorant comment I’ve seen in a while.
Gallo had 4.6 WAR last year. Soler IN HIS 8 YEAR CAREER has had a whopping 3.5.
Soler was a NEGATIVE WAR player last year as well.
So thanks for the laugh.
I agree. He would be a good leadoff hitter. They haven’t a good one since Brett Butler.
Funny, being the oldest team didn’t hurt the Giants.
Conforto?
Giants74, Actually Pagan was a really good lead off hitter for them, his issue was health, but yes besides Pagan you have to go back to Butler (Lewis had some decent years but definitely not good).
That being said, Marte on a one year deal while waiting for the young guys is fine, but I don’t think he signs for less than 3 years and at 33 years old that puts a guy with a career of health concerns on your roster until he is 36. On top of that, he isn’t a Belt that really doesn’t need a lot of speed for what he does well, Marte plays the OF and steals bases, both require speed (to some extent at least) which I don’t know you’ll get out of him at 35/36.
Clearly they found the Fountain of Youth, so it actually makes the most sense for them to sign him.
@JoshHosh I don’t think anyone is saying that Solar has been a better player than Gallo, but rather that next season they would rather have Soler than Gallo. Soler, surprisingly is trending up with the Braves, while Gallo faltered with the Yankees.
Whether Soler will continue to improve or Gallo to regress is debatable.
He will probably demand a trade to the Mets, as we are the odd-on favorites to win it all next year with syndergaard and Conforto bound to lock up the Cy and MVP respectively
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Gallo is just Adam Dunn’s illegitimate child.
We can really see how much baseball has changed since the early 2000s when Adam Dunn was considered the king of the strikeouts back then, but he never posted a 30% k-rate until he was 30. He led the league in strikeouts in 2006 with a 28.4% k-rate. Today, if you have that k-rate guys shrug and say, “yeah, its a bit high, but not a big deal.”
Now, I love Adam Dunn. He was one of my favorite players growing up because of how much I love guys who do things in an unconventional manner. I like Joey Gallo as well (way more than this comment section), but it is crazy to think just how much baseball has changed in the last 20 years.
I don’t blame the players or the teams. The data shows that playing for walks, homers, and strikeouts is a more effective way for MOST players to be successful, but it does make the game feel much different to the average fan.
Big Donkey !!! I paid to watch him and always got my money’s worth !!!
You mean Swamp Donkey. White Sox fans have a much lower opinion of him.
The data I’ve seen shows contact hitters are what makes teams successful. Work the count, get on base, make the fielders field and throw the ball cleanly, hit & run, move over the runners on ground balls & fly balls to the right side, and bring home the runs on Sac Flies.
Gallo has just TWO Sac Flies in his 7-year career, that’s insane!
What ‘data’ is this? Over the last decade plus, winning teams have routinely moved away from high batting average players in favor of walks and power. Obviously everyone would prefer a .300 hitter with 30 home runs, but OPS is far more important, which is helped much more by power and the ability to take a walk.
Michael Brantley hit .311 while Gallo hit .199 but Gallo’s OPS was still 10 points higher. OPS correlates the most with runs scored of all stats, that’s the data winning teams are using.
sportsguy, you’re mixing OBP into your argument.
Yes I’m a huge proponent of OPS, it’s my primary stat when rating hitters.
But when it comes to purely homerun hitters, history has shown the best homerun hitting teams have not had much success.
This year the MLB leader was Toronto, they failed to make the postseason.
Not gonna count the joke of a 2020 season.
In 2019 it was the Twins, they got swept in the ALDS
In 2018 it was the Yankees, they lost in the ALDS (the 108-win World Champs were only 9th in HR)
In 2017 it was the Yankees, they lost in the ALCS
In 2016 it was the Orioles, they lost the Wild Card Game
In 2015 it was the Jays, they lost in the ALCS
How far back do we need to go to find the best homerun hitting team in the World Series?
Sportsguy is correct, imo. I looked at that a lot, and OPS and RPG correlate really well. Between the two components of OPS, I found that OBP counted for slightly more. Home Runs counted, but not as much as either OPS, OBP or SLG.
You all make very sound arguments, but, Barry Bonds, one of the greatest hitters of any generation (in the opinion of MLB players, statisticians, etc, etc) said in an interview that OBP is the most important hitting stat. Changed my view of stats. Why? He opined that if one has a high OBP, everything else is right. He said he cared most about his OBP (and of course, breaking the home run record, albeit artificially).
“history has shown the best homerun hitting teams have not had much success”
…proceeds to point out that 4 of the last 5 teams to lead MLB made the playoffs, and the 5th missed by 1 game.
By the way, the Dodgers led MLB in HR in 2020, so five of the last 6. I went back to 2010 and every team that led MLB in HR won at least 85 games and only 3 missed the playoffs, including this year’s Jays.
Carlos Pena!
If Rob Deer and Billy Ashley had a kid…
Probably should double check your facts. He had 77 RBI
Username checks out.
Yep. The only 90 I see on the Joey Gallo stat line for 2021 is his runs scored. That said, he did produce 92 RBI with the Rangers back in 2018 over 148 games and 577 PA’s. His career average over parts of 7 seasons and extrapolated per 162 games figures to 88 RBI’s along with 91 runs scored and 41 HR’s.
Gallo’s defensive metrics aren’t bad either considering they were weighed down by some poor fielding at 3B early in his career. If he just played a corner OF spot those numbers would be plus. Gallo will also just turn 28 on November 19th. As Steve Nebraska alluded to, Gallo is pretty much the MLB poster child when it comes to this era’s three-outcome baseball of walks, whiffs and dingers.
Well he did win a Gold Glove.
Yes. Gallo was an AL Gold Glove winner as an outfielder with the Rangers during the abbreviated 2020 season along with White Sox CF Luis Robert and Royals LF Alex Gordon.
He’s not a middle of the order bat. He’s a good outfielder as the article points out and even an above average base runner. He is a seventh or eighth place hitter on a good team. Yes he could bat cleanup for the Pirates. He could be a piece of the puzzle for the Yankees if they can acquire the other pieces they need namely a CF, a catcher, a SS, and a catcher who can actually catch the ball. It is a most difficult puzzle since at least 2 pieces have to be left handed and they need some contact hitters mixed in there as well. To further complicate the issue they all need to be above average defensively. They probably could use a #2 starter as well.
Obviously this is a Herculean task. To have any chance to solve the puzzle there can be no restrictions, particularly financial ones. Is Cashman the right man for this job? Not in my opinion.
All good except that the age of the lefty is over. Go with switch hitters..
If you remove the 10ABs vs Kaprelian, Gallo’s numbers are that much worse.
If you remove the 13ABs vs Flexon, Gallo’s numbers are that much better.
If you remove all of Poseys at bats off Jansen his numbers are that much worse
Ok, remove Flexon and Kaprelian’s numbers. I was making the point that Gallo in NY can’t blast off vs an AL West pitcher he owned.
Or against teams that don’t fear him on a bad rangers team.
Playing in NY with the shift did exactly what everyone should have expected.
I think the Yankees will keep Joey Gallo until next August just because the other OFs are precious glassware. He plays good defense at corner OF and passable defense at CF and at corner IF.
The Mets won the Real World Series. The other one doesn’t count because the best team ever was injured
A user on here now has three accounts dedicated to him. No Met (injured or not) might not win MVP but MF22 is the MVP of these comments.
You can scratch the Rays as a potential trade partner. Inter division plus the obvious fact that the Rays won’t pay $10 mil for a DH when they have several other options available. Since their salaries are comparable, and the Yankees need a CF……a Kiermaier/Gallo swap? Did I just say that??? Shame on me.
The Yanks could probably just get Kiermaier from the Ray’s as a straight salary dump. Any team could actually. No need to include Gallo.
Checking Baseball Trade Values:
Gallo = $15.3 mil
Kiermaier = $0.4 mil
So I don’t think that is a viable trade proposal.
Yanks could get him for a couple of the ubiquitous “lottery tickets”. I also think TB would – indeed – trade him within the Division. That stuff doesn’t seem to bother them overly much.
At least Gallo has power though. KK doesn’t have any offense, but his D is outstanding. I would keep Gallo.
I hadn’t really considered Kiermaier until now.
But I actually like adding him @Clip.
His offense is serviceable; .716 OPS (104 OPS+) in ’21. & a career OPS of .720 (98 OPS+). But he brings mad glove. He has been a Platinum Glove recipient. LH bat. 100+ career steals.
Can you picture an OF of Gallo/Kiermaier/Judge? Bonkers.
How about remaking the lineup by bringing Rizzo back & trading for DeJong & Kiermaier? That would be ~ $16 mil + Rizzo in AAV. That would probably be less than Lindor’s payroll hit for example.
& we would have a deeper lineup on offense & would be an *excellent* defensive club too.
That would still leave us trying to figure out leadoff. So it’s imperfect. & it would probably preclude adding an impact starter. Which a lot of Yankee fans will dislike. But it would most likely leave enough to raise the rotations floor via a 2nd/3rd tier (Brett Anderson type) free agent.
They could also get rid of Sanchez and Higgy and get Barnhart and Romine.
In the outfield I wouldn’t mind getting Pederson and keeping Hicks.
DeJong would be a great get at SS.
Trade Viot and sign Rizzo.
Get the best SP possible, probably Ray.
Man. I wanted the Yanks to get rid of Romine for years, @Joe. I’d rather not bring him back. But Barnhardt/Sanchez would be an interesting & productive tandem. @Mickey777 likes him too.
If Pederson could play CF I would love to see that LH bat in The Stadium. I wonder if being flanked by Gold Glovers would help cover for him. Seems a little risky. But: maybe!
DeJong is my SS choice actually.
I can get with that. I could also live with a mix of Luke/DJ/part time LH (Brad Miller type) at 1B.
Cashman has a history of skimping on the rotation. & it would honestly be defensible this year. I really think we need to add 3 bats/position players (lots of possible combinations) over the winter before adding to the rotation.
Actually, my apologies…I didn’t realize Kiermaier’s offense was that…..normal. I must be thinking of last year’s stats and totals.
I wouldn’t be opposed to that for a true CFer. I like what JoeSays too. I saw someone post that we shouldn’t be viewing the C position as upgrading Sanchez; rather we should view it as upgrading Higgy. The C position last year gave us terrible offensive output, and even Pina, or Gomes, would have just as good, or better, defense while improving offense because they were league average. So, Gary plus his backup are now league average bats.
Anyway, I though that was an interesting thought process and has changed the way I look at the Yankees approach. I still say to go after Contreras, however. He would be a game-changer wither way he plays.
DeJong ($4.3MM AAV), Kiermaier ($11.4MM AAV) & Barnhardt ($7.5MM AAV) would be instaupgrades to Wade/Odor (depends whom you keep), GGBG (so sad), & Higashioka. That would be 23.7 mil in new payroll. Sign Brad Miller to a modest deal (played for $3.5MM in ’21)& the lineup/defense/scoring would all be better.
None of those players would not be all that difficult to add. They have a *combined* trade value of $1.5MM. None are very expensive individually & *cumulatively* they will probably cost less than any of the Big Name shortstops.
But.
That would still be adding 26-27 mil to payroll. Which might not leave very much for a starting pitcher. We would – however – be a better ballclub.
Easier to watch too, @Clip.
I would absolutely do this.
Especially if I was then able to add another starter to address (in some way) the loss of Kluber. I’d probably do it even if I couldn’t.
But say we add , @Joe’s guy Robbie Ray to that. We would be the AL favorite.
Joc is no longer credible in Cf
Your best bet in CF is trying to get 120 games outta Hicks imo lb for lb
Not that it would ever happen but Id love the Yankees and Dodgers to hook up on a challenge trade of say Voit and Joey Lasagna for Bellinger’s last 2 years . I know that’s a controversial take that will probably have both sides of the isle screaming NO but I think it could fit both teams tremendously considering
Ofc Bellingers goodwill this postseason mnakes that harder and harder by the day …as it probably should but fun to dream
Big lasagna fan
Yeah, I bet you do love that trade, @Cap.
From Baseball Trade Values;
Cody Bellinger = $0.0
Luke Voit = $3.4 mil
Jonathan Loaisiga = $26.9 mil
Brutal homer trade there, @Cap. I’ve done them myself. Luke Voit alone is an overpay. But Voit for Bellinger is something I wouldn’t be opposed to. Now, Dustin May would get you *close* to acquiring Voit, Loaisiga, & a prospect like Gil.
Hicks has never been any good don’t know what Yankees saw in him.
Ducky, I love it, especially compared with what we have. I’ve always like DeJong and if he performs like his career stats, it’s a win-win. He’s got outstanding defense. Although not my ‘primary’ plan, which includes a lot of Hal’s money, I foresee this as being the most effectual plan with this FO.
I like Ray, but what about a flier on Verlander in addition to Ray? That would be worth it imho, because we wouldn’t need Verlander. But it’s striking gold if he performs even fairly well.
King for DeJong & De Los Santos.
Wade for Barnhardt & Bautista.
Spence for Kiermaier.
All or those work on BTV. That’s assuming the Yanks pick up all of the $$, btw. So I am spending Daddy Hal’s loot too! Short commitments. More than ten million bucks < Lindor in AAV. Plus a couple lottery ticket prospects too. Add a versatile LH bench bat & we would be better in the field & at the plate.
I'm a Yankee fan.
So of course I love Ray + Verlander.
My pick of the litter is actually Scherzer. So how about Scherzer plus…aww, man. Yeah. Anyway, we should just get ready for the big Big Mike reunion.
Oh man, if Max didn’t state he wanted to be on the west coast?! Yeah, I love Mad Max’s gamesmanship, drive, and of course, his pitching!
Great plan GM Ducky. You got those names in a hurry bro! I love it though! Solid acquisitions, big improvement on D and lose nothing on offense. Randy Levine call Ducky at 1-900 (you’ve got to add the rest Ducky)…
Imho, I don’t think the Yankees could ever have too much depth. I think grabbing, say, Seager would never hold Volpe and Peraza back. How many uber-prospects have we seen flail in the Bigs outside the Core 4? Plus, If the stay ON projection, it’ll be three years – We could use a 2B and SS anyway, and move Seager to 3B where his defense is above average. I see a definite win-win. But, if they plan on both succeeding and one, or both, fail? Ouch.
Plus we are in win-now – let’s win NOW HAL!!!
Go Yankees!!! #28 (in 2023, of course).
I’m a hard pass on moving King Ducky. I like him better than Gil.
Fair enough.
I went with King because a Cards fan suggested it to me & it works. (He also suggested “or Abreu” who doesn’t work, btw.) The Cards are deep though. So Rule V fodder won’t cut it.
But I’m a spender. So Gil it is, @Joe. He is “worth” $10 mil more on BTV. In that scenario we’d actually get some kind of decent prospect back. Or, maybe 2 or even 3 long shots. Something like that. No matter. I would do it.
I really liked what King had to show this year, Joe. I was impressed and wouldn’t want to give him up, but if I were given the choice between, say, Urshela / Galvis, or King-for-DeJong, I’m on the DeJong train.
Hopefully, Hal is reading all my posts and realizes how he can contribute (Seager/Story) and alleviate our problems at this position, then utilize trades/money to fill other needs with good* players (C, CF , 1B).
Clipper between you, Ducky an me, we can fix all the Yankees problems. Maybe Hal will hire us.
Gallo for Buxton
Rangers would gladly take him back I am sure. We can send you Calhoun and B. Martin for him.
I like it!!! . Book it!
Possibly is spelled possably in the first paragraph not trying to be rude
Do you mean “passably”?
That’s what I meant
He was traded at the deadline, so it again this year.
It may not be aesthetically pleasing but gallo is a legitimately good player. Now there is a good argument his style can get chewed up by good pitching because of his swing and miss tendencies but there’s no doubt gallo is a very good player. Tough stretches make it hard to see but I doubt he’s traded nor do I think he should be it wouldn’t make sense and Gallo is a talent u bet on over the long haul of a season.
Needs some help n keeping his eye on the ball as he swings.
Gallo is one of the more frustrating players in baseball. He can certainly hit bombs and draw walks, so they’ll always be a place for him in today’s game, but if you absolutely were in a spot where you just needed the ball put in play and he was up, you pretty much have to pinch-hit for him, or know you’re dealing with like a 75 percent chance that he’s not making contact. How much do you pay a guy like this on the open market??? A 3 True Outcomes player if there ever was one.
This is the best summation of Gallo’s hitting that I’ve read on here. The problem for me are those big moments where he strikes out. You know it’s coming because he doesn’t put the ball in play.
He shouldn’t be hitting above 6th in the order imho but his defense is really good, better than many OFers. I love Gallo but, man, is he frustrating.
A FLOP . I’m not an Yankee fan , but I do watch them sometimes being born in NYC . He’s an easy out if you don’t throw it in the middle of the plate . Yankees have a lot of that type , and I’m fine with it , because I’m not an Yankee fan .
Wait, wait, wait…Are you a Yankee fan? I don’t recall if you said so.
Lack of contact has been problem for a while. With nobody on base a home run is just one run.
Gallo for DeJong. The money works and it offers a possible solution for both team’s needs. Also both are short term contracts so neither team is married to the player if it doesn’t work out.
I’m a proponent of trading for DeJong.
But, man, it won’t take Joey Gallo:
Baseball trade value Gallo = $15.3 mil.
Baseball trade value DeJong = negative $2.9 mil.
DeJong to the Yanks was suggested by a Cardinals poster. His trade proposal was Abreu ($0.0) or King ($2.9 mil). So those are actually viable trades. Slight overpays by NY. But: that is the caliber of player St Louis will get. Not Joey Gallo.
I only meant as a basis. Other pieces could be added, but value is relative.
On the plus side, neither team needs to get in a hurry to make this trade. The Yankees may need a SS, but they seem to be preparing to go with Urshela if need be. That means they can ride out the free agent SS frenzy and see what is left after the music stops. The Cardinals are in the same boat as far as position players go. They could wait until spring training to make a move.
Fair enough, @Osbourne.
I just wanted to point out that in any Gallo to the Cards deal, DeJong would be a throw in/salary dump. Not much more. A piece or two with substantially more value would be headed to the Yanks if Cash traded him to St Louis.
Like… a pitcher!
I don’t see the Cards doing that.
They are losing pitching so most likely trying to add arms.
I would love to get ahold of Genesis Cabrera, Jordan Hicks (depending on how he returns), or Alex Reyes. Add Iglesias to that group and closer central in NY. Again…..pipe dreams are fun.
He really needs to learn how to bunt much better. One bunt single every week and he would raise his average to a respectable level.
This is a funny take, considering he was near the top of the AL in bunt singles already…
Yankees are a mess. God Houston. I’m rooting for y’all!
I’m surprised by your choice to support Houston. I thought every MLB fan, other than true Astro fans, was rooting against the Astros due to the 2017 scandal. I understand not rooting for the Braves, since they are a rival. Surely you have good feelings about Boston from 1986.
Whatever gets this kid some attention.
I love what the Astros did. They made Yankee and dodgers fans cry and believe they would have won the WS. They’ll think about it for a long time that’s for sure. I find it funny that they are winning. Yankee fans are probably so heart broken rn.
So you’re okay with messing with the integrity of the game and making fans miserable… On the plus side, I think that trait puts you on the short list to be considered for the next Commissoner.
I’m rooting for the Astros and Dodgers so I can stop hearing, “they only won cuz they cheated/only won cuz it was a short season”
“God Houston.”
No politics or religion, son.
How bout them Mets?
LolololololMets.
It is amazing to me how someone who gets a hit less than 20% of the time is considered a good to great player. Imagine what a star Dave Kingman would be in today’s game. Imagine Gallo’s numbers if he got a hit 25% of the time.
that would mean Dave Kingman would have to be good at defense, which he was not
I would love to see him in RF for the White Sox as long as we don’t give up much for him!
Grandal? BTV has Gallo worth a LOT more than Yasmani anyway…..
We can toss in Sanchez too.
Ok, but Sox have nobody who is capable after Grandal to fill in. And the idea of Sanchez is a joke. BTV goes by excess value, not real value. Essentially, the Sox are getting their money’s worth from Grandal, no more, no less. If they trade him, now C becomes as big a hole on offense as it is on defense. They’re trading one massive hole for another and getting less overall control. Doubt it happens, even if BTV says it’s a good deal.
I’d like it, too, but last year’s trades have soured me a bit on the FO’s valuation of its needs. Kimbrel for Madrigal and Heuer? Yikes! I hated that one at the time and Kimbrel’s performance has made me hate it even more. Tepera was a good deal, hope they re-sign him. Hernandez was terrible, but they didn’t give up that much. I can live with that, even though it didn’t work out. But giving up the exact guy they need at 2B for an overkill luxury would have been dumb even if Kimbrel had continued on as he had with the Cubs.
Gallo will be a Yankee next year. He strikes out a lot but still gets on base and hits HRs. More valuable to Yankees since he provides leftie ABs and has the short porch.
Inconsistent star? How exactly do those two words go together?
I had to read that a few times as well.
He’s no Jason Giambi
Do not make mistake with Gallo, he should be the next David Ortiz when Minnesota get rid of him, Gallo needs a good bating instructor to teach him to make contact, swing to the ciling of the sky. Thanks the Yankees fire Thame
Get serious!!! Package Gallo with Voit, Torres, Sanchez or a host of players that don’t produce or are determents in the field.
You may see this request play out depending on how much they feel they need to fill CF, C, SP, and SS.
Could the Yankees afford to keep Gallo as the 10th man? He might make a great 4th outfielder, and back-up to Luke Voit or whoever starts at first. I know this is blasphemy to Yankee fans, but he is probably a better option at this point than Brett Gardner.
Cashman builds Spartan, regular season teams. They don’t win, but they win in the regular season
Contact hitting wins. I’ve even verified that running OOTP sims. I was able to increase the rate of winning World Series from 20% to 40% by insisting on nothing but high contact and low K hitters
AVG and avoiding K’s wins, not power. You need both, but power centric teams win less
Smart GMs would find AVG guys
OBP trumps SLG%, but it is not overwhelming.
Kind of a Moneyball thing.
OOTP verified this for you?
Are you Ok?
Gallo is fine on a 1 or 2 year deal. He is absolutely not worth large guaranteed $’s
They need to trade him. If not where will they play him? Do people forget that Hicks will be back until he hurts himself again? Do people forget that Gardner will almost definitely pick up his side of the option? If we can get a single A player with some upside, I’d grab it. We need 300 hitters not 200
please braves do not trade for him. I know it’s enticing, but I would rather have Adam Duval back than getting Joey Gallo.
Lefty versus righty bat. But I’d still rather have Duvall if I had to pick one or the other.
Zero chance of staying.
1-The NYY already don’t have enough outfielders. Judge, Stanton, and Hicks are usually hurt. Frazier might not come back. Gardner is a #4,
2-The NYY still have no lefty hitters.
3-Gallo had a perfectly fine season, but Yankee fans, like many other fans, aren’t looking at the peripherals.. He had only a .707 OPS, but his BABIP was only .193.against a career .264. When that reverts back to his historical numbers, his OPS will revert back to his historic .835.
4-He’s not a cleanup hitter, and probably not a #5, but he was thrust into that position because the NYY lacked better choices.
5-At the end of the day, do you know who Gallo is? He is Hunter Renfroe. He’s a solid hitter, leaning towards power over OBP, with a good glove, at an affordable price.
He’s not part of the Yankee problems.. The Yankee problem is that they have 400 PA from Sanchez, Torres, Urshela, Odor, Gardner, etc., in the 3/4 slots. If Gallo, like Renfroe, was batting 6th, you’d be overjoyed to have his 35 HRs.
Pretty much how I see it too, @Brady.
Bear with some of the Yankee fellas. It was an unsavory finish to a wild/frustrating season. A number of us are treating us as a 72 win ballclub as opposed to one that finished with 92.
So.
I’m seeing a lot of the old fan favorite: Revenge Trades/DFA’s. “I’m so done with Player X just get rid of him!” type of takes. I think it’ll pass.
Also: Joel Sherman is an absolute buffoon. Every year – for just one example – he absolutely mangles the math for the Yanks payroll. By tens of millions of dollars. Every winter. I have fallen for it twice. But: won’t happen again.
A number of us are treating us as a 72 win ballclub as opposed to one that finished with 92.
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I’m a RS fan. Been there, done that. But BB is almost a purely numbers-driven sport. Folks gotta know the numbers and the context. They have to ask themselves who the NYY LF will be next year. If they think that Stanton, Hicks and Judge are playing 450 games, and Gardner the remaining 36, as a RS fan, I’d encourage the NYY to trade Gallo.
But the numbers suggest otherwise.
After point #2 you pretty much lost everyone except this Ducky guy…..have you ever watched a weeks worth of at bats of Gallo’s…..K after K after K on very similar pitch sequences and pretty much can’t catch up to elite 4 seam fastballs at all….further the walks are what is inflating his analytics and the Yankees didn’t acquire him to walk…….he pretty much is what you see….a guy with tremendous power who is mostly swing and miss unless the pitcher throws a mistake…I do give him credit for his defense though and has a + arm also which helps soothe the offensive pain.
Also, you can’t even compare his season to the year that Hunter Renfroe had for the Sox…..he’s anything but a “solid hitter” when you bat .160 and you’re lifetime average is what .223? I would question your definition of “solid”….guess the analytics police will be all over me but your eyes don’t lie when you watch this guy.
And, by the way, I”m a lifetime Yankee fan
Agree on the Renfroe comp. Gallo can bat 6 or 7 and you’re glad to have him. The yankees problem is lack of consistency. Health and performance. You always have injuries and you always have down years but they don’t seem to have the secret sauce like Tampa Bay and Boston right now. I think Toronto has a similar problem. Talent? Check. Right mix of players? Not so much. But we’re talking about 90+ win teams. Lots of teams would love that as a starting point.
Gallo consistently fails in the clutch moments because he cannot simply put the ball in play when necessary. He’s all or nothing, and that’s detrimental in a postseason.
I’m a Gallo fan and was glad we got him because he improves our defense substantially. Renfroe is not all or nothing from what I’ve seen.
I think he will bounce back next season.
Joey Gallo is one of the top 25 defensive players in MLB. He has a career OPS of .823. If you ran 9 comparable guys out there, you would dominate the league. Even if your team BA was .101 or whatever.
The problem is he’s a free agent after next year and is going to get paid a lot this year. too many teams need a player like him and the Yankees just don’t.
They do have some real needs, trading decent players they control is one of the better ways to fill them.
I’m not opposed to trading him if it improves us. Feel the same about any of our players.
But I also think spite-trading him because of his batting average is ridiculous. & it is also something Cashman (or any other competent GM) would never do. Yet, I’ve seen a few of those takes on this thread.
I think he helps us win next year.
I don’t see him as any kind of “problem” or whatever.
I’ll agree on spite trading but not sure spite trading and having standards like the ability to make contact at a minimum rate are the same thing.
A .200 BA is an autofail as far as I’m concerned even though BA means so little. Not due to spite but due to my goal being wins.
Trading an expensive player who doesn’t help you win should always help you if you’re a GM with any skill whatsoever. I’m not accusing Cashman of having any skill but the point stands.
I guess I don’t have a whole lot of “autofails” as players have so much variation.
He has an OPS > .800. He is an elite defensive player. We diverge in opinion on “doesn’t help you win”. Players like Joey Gallo absolutely add to a team’s win total.
I understand that you are a batting average guy. Which is fine. His BA is – obviously – your main issue with Gallo. & that’s cool. Everyone enjoys the game their own way.
But: all MLB GM’s are looking at his OPS. Not his BA. For whatever that is worth to you. You may not care for the aesthetic. But to say he doesn’t help a team win strikes me as a bit myopic.
I’m not a batting average guy. You’re literally responding to a post where I state it means so little.
You either use stats or you don’t. If you use them at all you realize they all tell you something. The problem is when you overweight or completely ignore what they do tell you.
A person who can’t hit 1.75 in a playoff race cannot make contact unless he’s lucky or the pitcher makes a mistake.
The fact that he can swing really hard all of the time and have enough go out to make some of his numbers look decent doesn’t change the first fact highlighted by the inability to get his batting average up to a little league level.
NO GM’s on this planet are looking at or for OPS.
You might be able to get away with pretending you can do anything (or even want to) with a single stat but no one gets paid to make decisions about a baseball roster using a single stat. Pretending this is about BA or OPS is infantile.
Learn to read, learn to scout and try again.
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I’m not opposed to trading him if it improves us.
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I feel the same way, depending a little on how successful our year is. But a more important consideration than value might be fit. Before anyone says Gallo has to go, and there will be a market for him, I’d like to see their plan for the outfield.
What kind of plan for the outfield do you need for them?
They don’t issue preseason assurances of health or production to anyone.
Judge, Gardy, Stanton, Frazier, HIcks, Allen, Florial and a sport with over 100 outfielders who don’t make over 10 million a year and who hit over 175.
They need to worry about center field and let Left take care of itself because they overcompensated in center.
Beyond that, he was terrible. How did we lock in terrible in the absence of a psychic assurance of success by his replacement? Sometimes you just take out the tumor and appreciate that it isn’t there any more.
Yeah.
I read that. Yet, you keep bringing it up in your posts one way or another. But you obviously place high value on it despite your surface protestations. That is readily apparent.
&, bro. You are basing your “scouting” on one stat (all I’ve seen) over a 58 game sample (“who cannot hit 1.75 [sic] in a playoff race”). As far as “infantile” goes…well that is really not an advanced take in the least. Ya know?
I’m resisting the urge to get insulting back.
In the end, the problem is that I did actually read your post. Perhaps you should re- read it. It may not be clear or you may not be making the point you seem to believe that you are.
Have a good night, bud.
I’m using it as an illustration of his inability to make contact,
If you disagree it shows that tell me why. I literally told you what I think and what I think shows it. Telling me I only use batting average is you being a jerk and guess what. I’m always more than thrilled to play that game if you prefer.
I’m not your bro or your bud and if you think you resisted anything you’re a dipstick.
You’re using it as your *only* evidence though lol! & cherry picking your sample on top of that. Whether you like it or not, the only illustration you’ve achieved is a picture of how much you don’t like his BA. Especially the last 2 months of the ’21 season.
Anyway.
Gotta get packed up here. Goose hunting in the morning & up north for ruffies & coho next week. So I’m done with our exchange.
I really did try. It appears I still have some room for improvement. Thusly noted. You’ve a cute little “edgy guy” shtick though, pal.
Bob – Not a good comparison of Renfroe to Gallo in my opinion.
Biggest difference is plate discipline.
Gallo strikes out 37% of the time
Hunter strikes out only 27%
Gallo’s walk percentage is exactly double Hunter’s.
Hunter can play the corner OF positions
Gallo can play every OF position, 1B and 3B
I think Gallo is closer to Mark Reynolds hitter-wise, although Reynolds K-rate is “only” 31%
He’s also close to Chris Davis, who had a 33% K-rate.
I couldn’t find any other player with a K-rate of at least 30%.
When your comp is Chris Davis, that ain’t good.
Ok, but Gallo adds power and enough patience that his OBP was still perfectly respectable. As a Sox fan who grew to appreciate Grandal’s really weirdly good season, guys who get on base and have some power are still valuable. Add in his defense and I wouldn’t mind seeing the Sox trade for him, provided they’re a lot smarter than they were in the Kimbrel trade.
Give him a shot for another year, just don’t have him hit 4th everyday
This may be the weirdest idea I have written but if a walk is as good as a hit why not try him at leadoff or bat second. Good baserunner and he may get better stuff to him with some protection. He had no protection in Texas. If I am a batting coach I would tell him to watch endless videos of Aaron Judge. Same body type. Everyone of Joey’s at bats is the same. Take, take, vicious swing, take, take, vicious swing.
I agree,,swing a la Barry Bond but Bond gets contact
The name’s Bond. Barry Bond.
Tiger Fan, leadoff hitters are all about OBP and at least decent speed.
If Gallo continues with a .303 OBP as he had with the NYY, you don’t want him anywhere near the top of the lineup.
And with his power, you want him lower in the lineup so that he’s hitting 2-run and 3-run homers instead of solo shots.
According to FanGraphs, he had 3.5 WAR this year. Just another example of how all the new stats are ruining baseball. 20 years ago, Gallo wouldn’t have made any major league roster batting under .200.
Gallo had 38 homers and yet only 77 rbi’s. Because if there is a runner on 3rd with less than 2 out, he will strike out almost every time!
Horribly overrated player.
The second coming of Chris Davis.
Keep him, for $10mil he’s another lefty bat we need. Just keep him far from the top of the line up. He should be batting somewhere around 5/6 in the line up.
If the Yankees hate Gallo this much now, then trade him back to Texas where he’ll be appreciated again. Let him sign an extension here…. please.
I don’t think people hate him; many are frustrated because he struck out in big moments where we needed contact and he had a horrid second half.
When he bounces back and out seventh in the order, where he should be, things will change.
Plus, expectations were higher for him because this team needed a savior, which wasn’t him. Fix the roster, fix the lineup, and he’s much more appreciated.
I like Gallo, I like his attitude, and humility. I think many Yankees’ fans do also. He’s just an easy target of a myriad of frustrating issues that came to a head this postseason.
I appreciate seeing you and Ducky (there are probably others, but I see yours more) post rationale takes on a lot of Yankees threads.
Maybe the Angels will take a flyer on him for Otani.
Trade Gallo, Sanchez and a high prospect or 2 to the Cubs for Contreras. Keep the specs and flip Gallo in July. If Sanchez does decent, flip him too.
This kind of failure would really hurt a middle or lower market team. The money means nothing to the Yankees, so the decision is far easier.
Lo dejo ir. Es un tipo demasiado ponchon matando rallys sin avanzar corredores, bajísimo .ave y ganará unos 10 millones.I said Good Bye.
Lo dejo ir. Es un tipo demasiado ponchon matando rallys sin avanzar corredores, bajísimo .ave y ganará unos 10 millones.I said Good Bye.
Lo dejo ir. Es un tipo demasiado ponchon matando rallys sin avanzar corredores, bajísimo .ave y ganará unos 10 millones.I said Good Bye.
I’m of the belief that Gallo played about as poorly as possible with the Yankees so he’s due for some positive regression. He’s always going to be a low batting average and high strikeout guy but his left handed power and defense still make him an asset to the Yankees. A different hitting coach next year could go a long way to straightening out Gallo’s, and a lot of other Yankees’ hitting problems
That’s like saying old people are due to get younger.
I’m glad that was your takeaway from what I said. Quite the display of intelligence or lack thereof
What’s worse?
Being glad people think you’re stupid or thinking poor performance is an indicator of good performance in the future?
Stay in school!
Wow a follow up response ever more idiotic than the original, I’m actually impressed. How about taking these things into consideration. Gallo went to a new team in a new division mid season and struggled to adjust to different pitchers. He also went from a team with no expectations to a team counting on him to give them a spark. I’m betting on Gallo to make the necessary adjustments to get back to his usual production going into next year
Different pitchers? Hasn’t he been in the American league playing major league baseball for years?
Going from a bad team to a good team and falling apart when the other team is actually trying doesn’t indicate you’re going to get better. Changes that lead to failure don’t indicate a bounce. A bounce is indicated when a player fails even though things have not changed.
You can bet anything you want. He might get better simply because it’s hard to get at bats if you don’t. My point was that players going from crappy teams to play in Yankee stadium don’t fail miserably and then just bounce back to the mean. It’s a very different game in NY and teams try and plan a lot harder to play the Yankees than the Rangers.
We don’t even have a baseline for usual production for him because he’s never been a good player on a good team. He plays every game swinging for the fences every time. That might be fine when you’re playing the equivalent of spring training games for the Rangers but when he’s facing good pitchers with a plan every night and the knowledge that any mistake goes on sports center it’s a different game.
Obviously Gallo faced AL East pitchers from time to time with the Rangers but that’s a lot different than facing them consistently when you’re in the same division. That should be self explanatory.
Gallo, like many players before, struggled upon going to a new team. His numbers with the Yankees were well below not only his numbers before the trade but also his career numbers. That’s why I’m optimistic that Gallo will be able to rebound.
Everything else you’ve said is nothing but speculation based on personal feelings. You clearly aren’t a fan of Gallo but that doesn’t mean he’s not a talented player
Positive regression? His whole career has been about recession. He shouldn’t even be on a MLB 40 man roster with the numbers be put up.
The entire Yankee line up is made up of This type of player. Cashman might figure this out someday when he is the GM for an Independent league team.
They have no one that gets on base consistently. Then everyone is all thrilled at bases empty home runs. That’s why the NYY now use the back door to get in the playoffs and get beat by BOS.
Gallo is metrics gone wrong. Theorycrafting that made a mountain out of a mole.
The man is a lifetime. .200 hitter who strikes out a lot.
Only in the metric era would that not be a consideration for passing on a player who years ago, before minds were muddled with irrelevant numbers, wouldn’t even be in the majors.
That’s correct. The bottom is how well you put the ball in play. The rest is just noise to distract people from what their eyes see.
B-b-b-but Gallo has a great Exit Velocity and Launch Angle, that makes him a great hitter!!
Ignore the strikeouts and sac flies, pay no attention to the man behind the curtain!!
Anyone seen the 2016 NL Homerun Champ? He got released by the Yankees in the middle of the 2017 season, and despite getting signed by Oakland and LAA he never played another ML game again.
I know you’re just drunk or trolling around here, bro.
At least I hope so! Otherwise, I’m afraid you had a stroke or something & lost about 50 points of your IQ.
Because Carter is an absolutely idiotic comp. Gallo is an elite defensive player. Better glove than anyone on the sox – for example. While Carter is a lumbering rhinoceros at 1B. Gallo has a career OPS nearly 60 points higher, LH vs RH, different positions, ages, prospect pedigrees,etc etc.
Hoping your just a drunk FPGuy as a reasonable explanation. Anyway…got some geese to take care of before kickoff. Congrats on the win, but take it easy on the game brews & posting afterwards. Couple more takes like that & you’ll lose credibility on the board.
Gallo, cash, and prospect for Matt Chapman.
Who says no first?
He has bad days 80% of the time. He can knock the crap out of the ball, but only IF he can connect. I’d pass on him, myself.
Many mentions of short porch benefiting Gallo. I don’t see that. When he makes contact it go out of any park short porch or not.
It would be real exciting to watch this guy hit without the shift….I’ve watched this guy since double a….way above average talent just victim of the shift and being in a lot of weak lineups – he will be fine in NY
He is also a victim of the whiff.
I don’t get why this guy gets all this respect. He hit over .250 once in its career snd is a strike out machine. The point of this sport is to put the ball in play.
It makes sense for them to deal him and sign Starling Marte to play CF
The only option is which team are they trading him to. Obviously will not get back what was sent to obtain him, but this is really an addition via a subtraction. Does not fit in and most importantly does not want to be here. Will never ever be any better as a hitter next season so why force him to stay here in NY. Drags down the entire lineup and his mopping is contagious. Even his girlfriend wants to go someplace else. Get rid of him.
Gallo will be 28 next season in his walk year in Yankee stadium. I would put him down for 40+ home runs next year. If he can cut down on his strike outs just a bit and keep his walks up, he’ll be worth it to keep for 1 year.
Asking a rookie or sophomore to cut down on a high K-rate is reasonable. At this point, Gallo just is what he is: a three true outcomes champion. Tons of power and walks a lot, but K’s a lot, too. 40 HR’s is reasonable, but you’re going to have to live with the K-rate.
Time to cut Gardner lose….unless you want 0-4 at the plate and every throw from the outfield needs a relay because he can not make it to the infield. If the Yankees keep him, then you’ll see what is Hal’s objective with the team.
So, when Dave Dombrowski said he wants a middle of the order guy to help Harper I’m not sure this is the guy.. It’s not his poor BA that bothers me so much as it is his strikeout rate…I personally don’t think that helps the Phillies….would he bat in front of Rhys or behind him? Neither seems right to me.
Corner bat with power? Cashman loves those players. He’s not going anywhere. Speed, up the middle defense, those are the types that Cashman avoids.
Coming from a die-hard Yankees fan. The same can be said for most of the Yankees outfield with the exception of this year. Hicks is starting to remind me of Ellsbury.