The Red Sox on Friday announced their roster for their forthcoming ALCS date with the Astros. It’s largely the same collection of names, although Boston has shuffled up its bullpen mix. Right-hander Hirokazu Sawamura and lefty Darwinzon Hernandez have both been added, while righty Matt Barnes and lefty Austin Davis have been removed. Barnes was initially omitted from Boston’s ALDS roster, but he was added as an injury replacement when fellow righty Garrett Richards sustained a hamstring strain. Because he was removed from the ALDS roster due to injury, Richards was ineligible for the ALCS roster, but he could potentially be added back to the World Series roster — if the Red Sox advance and if he is deemed healthy enough.
Here’s how Boston’s ALCS roster breaks down…
Right-Handed Pitchers
- Ryan Brasier
- Nathan Eovaldi
- Tanner Houck
- Adam Ottavino
- Nick Pivetta
- Hansel Robles
- Hirokazu Sawamura
- Garrett Whitlock
Left-Handed Pitchers
Catchers
Infielders
Outfielders
Infielders/Outfielders
The 33-year-old Sawamura signed a two-year deal with the Sox last winter on the heels of an excellent career with the Yomiuri Giants and (more briefly) the Chiba Lotte Marines of Japan’s Nippon Professional Baseball. His rookie campaign in Major League Baseball was a strong one, as he pitched to a 3.06 ERA with a solid 26.2 percent strikeout rate and a hefty 51.8 percent ground-ball rate in 53 innings of relief. The primary knock on Sawamura is an untenable 13.7 percent walk rate. He’ll hope to curb that problematic lack of command in any ALCS matchups for which he’s called upon, but Sawamura’s 15.5 percent swinging-strike rate and 33.7 percent opponents’ chase rate both underline his ability to get a punchout in late-game settings when he’s at his best.
As for Hernandez, he’ll bring a power fastball to Boston’s arsenal of lefties. Like Sawamura, Hernandez has no problem when it comes to racking up punchouts (29.7 percent) but has been far too charitable in terms of free passes (17 percent). Walks aside, however, Hernandez has been extremely difficult for both lefties (.204 batting average, .370 slugging) and righties (.202 average, .326 slugging). It’d certainly be ideal if he had better command of his pitches, but his stinginess in yielding hits, regardless of platoon situation, could prove critical against a balanced Houston lineup that is deep in impact lefties (Yordan Alvarez, Kyle Tucker, Michael Brantley) and righties (Carlos Correa, Jose Altuve, Yuli Gurriel, Alex Bregman).
Barnes’ omission is surely a disappointment to the embattled closer but can’t come as a surprise after he was also omitted from the Division Series roster. The 31-year-old Barnes had a Jekyll-and-Hyde season, pitching to a 2.25 ERA with a 42 percent strikeout rate through 44 innings before crumbling with a 10.13 ERA in his final 10 2/3 frames. Those 10 2/3 innings were spread across 16 ugly appearances, with Barnes regularly being unable to complete a full inning of work. His strikeout rate plummeted to 26.7 percent in that time, while his walk rate spiked to 15 percent. Barnes also yielded four long balls in those 10 2/3 innings — matching his total through his season’s first 44 innings. A sudden decline of this nature and an omission from the postseason roster seemed unimaginable in July, when he signed a two-year, $18.75MM extension.
Fever Pitch Guy
I like it! No surprises here, I certainly have more faith in Sawamura and Darwin than I did with Barnes and Davis.
I can see going with the more experienced Santana instead of Duran.
JoeBrady
I agree. This is the same as the ALDS. Both guys are fast. Duran has better pure speed, but Santana is more experienced. The difference is, if all else fails, Santana can play multiple positions.
deweybelongsinthehall
Duran has pure speed but didn’t show he could steal a base I. his limited call up time. Add in he has a lousy arm. He showed me he simply is not ready for the big show. His time though will come.
Deadguy
I feel like this is the team this year who is going to win the world series. So much past experience, and just overall the best team left. Dodgers are good, but they are not as healthy as the Red Sox are.
Fever Pitch Guy
Well let’s hope the forearm of Devers gets better, not worse.
Same with JD’s ankle, anything he hits is gonna be a homerun or a single.
Camden453
I have doubts Chaim Bloom will ever win a ring
Fever Pitch Guy
Fortunately Bloom won’t be swinging a bat or playing in the field.
The players win championships, and there’s lots of talent on this team.
Camden453
The management matters. It starts at the top. The players have to want to win for management. That’s how life works
Fever Pitch Guy
That may be the case for some managers, but I don’t think any player is driven by a need to please the front office.
josebatflip
Camden, why are you even on a metrics-based site like this with a comment like yours? Who in this day and age possibly thinks they can apply some kind of analysis about whether a player “wants to win”?!
JoeBrady
Camden453
The players have to want to win for management.
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Your assumption that the RS players don’t want to win is cringe-worthy.
TylerBlackSimon
There’s something about the look in his eye.
JoeBrady
I don’t think any player is driven by a need to please the front office.
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Camden sounds like one of those guys that has simply been beaten down by the poor play of his favorite team.. He strikes out at the RS because, well, what else can he do?
And because he is so disillusioned by his own team, he lacks the soul and the inspiration to make up good insults. FBD (which is no longer a real thing) took one on the chin this year, but he’ll be in here brawling with us two weeks after the WS.
And, FWIW, no one in the history of baseball has ever thought of the GM in the middle of an at-bat.
YankeesBleacherCreature
@Camden453 Your ridiculous assertion makes me doubt that you understand how life works. Hasn’t the movie Major League taught you anything?
Fever Pitch Guy
Speaking of the O’s, doesn’t it seem like they’ve been a 100-loss team for at least 15 years?
Looking back I see they made the ALCS in 2014, yet I have no recollection of that series. Maybe because it was against the Royals.
KD17
Camden – 100% behind your theory!!! Nice comment.
Please remind the believers when he’s fired in a few more years for not winning. He’s already two years behind DD’s achievements and if there is no Division win in 2022 then it will be 3 Division titles and a Ring that he has fallen short of DD’s accomplishments in BOS!!
If he’s a bridesmaid enough times maybe NYY or LAD will hire him when BOS gets sick of not winning. They like GMs who follow the old “close but no cigar” motto. It’s too bad ownership had a brain fart and now think coming close is good enough. 86 years and then 4 rings in 20 will buy them a few years of cushion from not winning but the hoards will be gates soon enough!
The 2018 gang did enough in 2021 to keep the hoards from charging the castle but 2022 will mark the 3rd year out of three with no division crown after the guy preceding Bloom went 3 for 3. That should restart the brains of those who have been duped into thinking 2021 was anything but an aberration!!
SteveInClearwater
Hard to recall, yes – but from 2012-2016 the Baltimore Orioles won more reg season games than any other AL club
Fever Pitch Guy
Steve – Interesting, thanks. I didn’t know that, probably because my team finished last 3 of those years so I blocked it out of my memory. LOL
I guess it went south pretty fast for the O’s. Can’t be just because of Machado’s departure. I know Davis was part of it.
JoeBrady
It was the Orioles refusal to trade anyone that caused such a severe downfall. They did trade Machado, but he should’ve been gone in the previous year’s trade deadline. They’d have gotten twice as much.
And they could’ve traded Givens, Gausman, O’Day, Britton, Brach, maybe 1-2 other really minor moves. It’s like the Rox are today. They just froze without moving forward or backwards.
Fever Pitch Guy
Joe – Interesting, thanks! It’s kinda surprising to me that Angelos became so cheap, he used to spend quite a bit on payroll. You’d think he would want a championship before …. ya know.
TalkSomeSense
Joe Brady
Hindsight is always 20/20. The Orioles in 2017 were in the same boat as the Jays. Both had met the previous year in the Wild card. Both had some high priced vets on large contracts (AAV ) so tearing the team down to the studs for a full on rebuild heading into 2017 was not in the cards for either.
Both teams held onto talent a year longer then they should have . ( Hindsight ) .
The big difference was the Jays drafting in 16/17 and the international signings. The Orioles neglected this ( International draft ) for years.
JoeBrady
Thru 2016, and headed into 2017, I agree. At the 2017, I’d have traded. Their Py W/L was .438, and they had a losing record three straight months. That said, if someone wanted to hold on and hope for the best, I don’t think it would be an egregious mistake.
But after the season, I can’t believe that there was any doubt. Their 2017 Py W/L was 72 wins. They were 7-21 in September. I don’t think there was any chance of them even being .500, let alone competing.
Bruin1012
TalkSomeSense you hi the nail right on the head it was the ignoring of international signings that doomed the Orioles to medicroity however they do have Adley coming and I think he is a difference maker. They also have Grayson Rodriguez coming soon he is a true potentil number 1 the future is looking up for the Orioles.
iverbure
Where do you come up with these stupid narratives?
Luckystrikes
STOP , I don’t like it when Mommy and Daddy fight !
Pangolin
And I have doubts there will ever be another October baseball game played in Camden Yards.
JeffreyChungus
Ok Orioles fan
Fever Pitch Guy
Angelos is 92, surely there will be brighter days ahead.
Interesting that both he and George Steinbrenner were born exactly one year apart.
luckyh
Yes, year 2 and he only has them within 8 wins of one. lol
deweybelongsinthehall
Your right. Bloom will earn his ring not win it.
KD17
Luckyh and Dewey – Start printing the shirts you’ll need until Bloom is fired.
CLOSE BUT NO CIGAR!!! WE WANT DD!!!!
Bloom won’t win a ring in his career because he’ll be heading to a Siberia like he sent Benny and Chavis to in 2021!!! Once he has a half dozen failures in BOS he’ll be fired and his legacy will be lots of promises but no rings..
luckyh
Keep spewing KD, you just keep being proven wrong.
KD17
luckyh – You say that I’m wrong that Bloom won’t win a ring? Guess what, the facts show that as of today, I am right so whose spewing bs? Yep the guy with no facts behind him!!! Spew on that for a while!!
luckyh
Obviously he has yet to win a ring. I’m talking about your other nonsense. Carry on, some find your rants amusing, I don’t. Not a guy either. Keep spewing, I’ve no use for your ridiculous takes and hate. Why follow the Sox at all if they, especially management and ownership are so awful? Lol
JoeBrady
“Why follow the Sox at all”
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According to KD, he isn’t a fan. Per his post below:
“So write it down somewhere so I don’t have to keep reminding you of not being a fan of any team.”
He isn’t a fan of any team, but spends 100s of hours posting on Red Sox threads, and virtually no time posting on any other thread. Let me know if you can see any logic to that. The only logic I can see is that, if he isn’t a fan, but spends as much time as he does in here, he must absolutely hate them.
KD17
luckyh – Sorry I upset you with my rants but look up what freedom of speech means. Also, the fact that you don’t take issue with all that management and ownership has done to destroy the integrity of the organization makes you either complacent (not much of a fan) or connected in some way to the shameful behavior of the front office and ownership. Which is it?
I have a simple solution for you. Don’t read my comments.
I’ve followed the Red Sox since 1960 and I’ve only been embarrassed for them since 2020. Hiring a two time cheater and throwing away a homegrown hero and a Cy Young award winner as if they were garbage is unforgivable. Add to it what they did to Benny and they are basically scum in my mind. I waited decades for a ring and I can wait another decade for them to fix the front office and ownership. Until then, I am going to be in their faces complaining about them until change happens. They suck as individuals based on their actions. If you like these scumbags that’s your choice but NOBODY has to agree with you.
Let me know when he wins a ring and what team he is GM of when it happens. I doubt I’ll see it in my lifetime because he has no skills. The front office moves by TB since he left far outshine his moves which is further proof he wasn’t behind the moves that improved TB, he was simply sitting in the room when smarter people made the choices.
luckyh
Ha, you don’t even know what freedom of speech is. The government isn’t punishing you for what you say, we are simply disagreeing you, and calling you on your nonsense. Couldn’t resist commenting when you brought freedom of speech into it. Of course you did.
jmi1950
Ignore KD; he is a troll.
User 4245925809
More faith in Sawamura than Hernandez, but still like the pair added and subtraction of Davis as a big positive. Sawamura had a knack of working out of his self mad troubles whenever he’d walk guys during the season, hernandez when he would would often implode.
Fever Pitch Guy
Yeah with Hernandez it’s all about control, if his location is good he’s effective.
Sawamura is better than Davis, no contest. Who could forget him relieving Sale with the bases loaded in DC and getting an inning-ending doubleplay.
StupendousYappi
I hate to say it but I dont really think either of these teams deserves to be in this position. The Astros should have been disbanded by MLB after their illustrious and far reaching cheating scandal. The players should have been suspended for years and the franchise itself should have been out of play for 5 seasons.
As far as Boston goes they hired a known cheater in Cora they show absolutely no integrity. Of course thats nothing new to a franchise that won championships with Ortiz and Ramirez two of the biggest cheats in the game. All of their titles are tainted I personally do not even acknowledge any of them. Should either of these teams win the World Series I will not acknowledge that either.
Fever Pitch Guy
While I agree Cora’s suspension was way too short, he deserved a second chance.
As far as Ortiz and Ramirez, it would be hard to find a team that didn’t have proven or suspected PED users on it.
Angry Disgruntled Sox Fan
I completely agree with Fever Pitch Guy on this one? Where’s KD? Love his rants
Fever Pitch Guy
KD mentioned something about not being able to support the Red Sox or the Astros, so maybe he’s moved onto football or basketball?
JoeBrady
That he can’t support the Red Sox was always kind of known and accepted. I’m from The Bronx. Most of the people I know are Yankee fans. None of them hate the Red Sox half as much as KD.
I mean, before he says a single thing about a player, he first has to check to see if Bloom acquired him. If it was DD or earlier, they are a great player. If it was a Bloom player, they could hit 100 HRs and KD would find something bad to say about him.
Fever Pitch Guy
Yeah I haven’t been around here too long, so I don’t know the history. I thought he was a disgruntled Red Sox fan because Mookie was traded, so I wondered why he doesn’t follow the Dodgers instead.
JoeBrady
I don’t know him either, though his writing style looks familiar. The first thing I remember him writing wasn’t even the “70 wins is a fantasy” rant.
The first thing I remember was him saying that JBJ should’ve been traded because we could always find a CF with a good fielding %. There are 7B people in the world, and not a single one of them judges an outfielder based on his fielding %.
Then he did his RS analysis with the 70 win thing. He did it by trying to predict our record against each team. Who the heck does that? Most people project runs scored and against and apply the Py W/L theorem. I use OPS and OPSa, but I’ve never heard anyone trying to predict all the games. BB has 100x too much variance for that.
Claydagoat
He is a troll. Stop feeding him.
KD17
Orien-dbag = Your misuse of the English language is profound!!
Once again you have trolled me and for no reason except your personality disorder!!! Last time you comment about me and not baseball. I promise.
KD17
pwndroia & FPG – I have very little interest in a series by two franchises known best for cheating and racism so I have not been on in several days. It’s a shame one team gets to win.
Add the crap the Dodgers pulled by fleecing Friedman’s protege and basically that leaves the Braves. Go Atlanta!!
A Thursday night football game generates much more interest since Brady was in it. Let the cheaters play. I simply hope the players I support do well. Seems like JD still is the soul of the team but pushed to the 5th spot despite being the best hitter in the last series. Typical mistakes by the cheater. Maybe they overcome them against Houston maybe they catch up with Cora. Frankly, who cares? Cheaters vs Cheaters. It’s a bad sci-fi movie.
Also, I root for players and I’ve said that many times. I detest LAD like the Yankees. I root for Mookie, just like Benny, Chavis, JBJ and Holt. I root for JD, Bogey, Vazquez, Sale, Eovaldi and others from the 2018 team.
I root against Verdugo, Downs, Wong, Hernandez and almost every player Bloom has acquired. The only two that have proven they are worthy of rooting for are Renfroe (who I was against originally) and Pivetta who got the shaft like Bloom gave the shaft to Mookie, Price, Benny, Chavis and like DD who got the shaft from ownership.
So write it down somewhere so I don’t have to keep reminding you of not being a fan of any team. I support baseball players overall. Not all players but definitely the 2018 Boston Red Sox along with others from the four other ring teams during the last two decades.
Also, PEDs have NEVER been proven to have impacted ANY games but the juice in the baseball accounts for the home runs generated by the wrongly accused steroid users. There is no more proof that ONE additional home run was hit from steroids than from amphetamines, cocaine, LSD, hash or any of the other banned substances. Someday a bright reporter will present the already incontrovertible proof that exists and win a Pulitzer prize.
As far as I’m concerned, the season is over. The lack of integrity of the Red Sox organization has destroyed any joy I can take from the accomplishments of the players. I am happy for each of them but as an organization, until Cora and Bloom are gone, they are no better than Houston and completely undeserving of any accolades, just insults for what they did to a great game that gave them so much.
mcdusty49
The fact that Kike hasn’t won your respect says a lot about your baseball acumen.
JoeBrady
OrienGreene2 hours ago
He is a troll. Stop feeding him.
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I like to use him as an example of what not to do.
Fever Pitch Guy
KD – Thanks for the explanation! I wasn’t around much when you talked about that stuff in prior years. And it’s the first I’ve heard about racism with the Astros. I do hope the Braves win as well, as I don’t want to face Mookie in the WS …. he’s on fire!
Fever Pitch Guy
Joe – Ha! You just reminded me of that Opposite George Seinfeld episode.
JoeBrady
Fever Pitch Guy44 mins ago
Joe – Ha! You just reminded me of that Opposite George Seinfeld episode.
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There were two pivotal episodes in TV history.
The first was the Opposite episode. Seinfeld built at least three seasons on George as a Yankee, based off of that one episode. How does it get better than ‘It became very clear to me sitting out there today that every decision I’ve made in my entire life has been wrong. ”
The second was when Sheldon met Amy. That completely re-directed the entire series.
Fever Pitch Guy
George Costanza – Pioneer of statistical analysis.
“I calculated my odds of ever getting together with a Portuguese waitress. Mathematically, I had to do it Jerry.”
Still one of the funniest lines ever was when Steinbrenner told Frank Costanza his son was dead, and the first thing Frank said was ““What the hell did you trade Jay Buhner for? He had 30 home runs and over 100 RBIs last year. He’s got a rocket for an arm. You don’t know what the hell you’re doing!”
JoeBrady
I watched 5 minutes of the finale the other day. I didn’t see it, but part of that episode was also George’s father yelling at Steinbrenner in the middle of the trial.
KD17
mcdusty – Please explain your comment. Is he still a .250 hitter? YEP
Has he had a very short hot streak? YEP. So why should I respect a flash in the pan ballplayer? I lived through Joe Charboneau who did it for an entire year. I lived through Brady Anderson having one great HR year. One time wonders are very common to baseball. Possibly you could go find a baseball almanac and read about all the one hit wonders in baseball?
Talk about a complete lack of baseball acumen. You look so incredibly foolish with your statement. You may want to think before you write next time!!!
Claydagoat
Ahh the ridiculous troll blocked me.
JoeBrady
Curtis,
Some posters can admit when you are right, and they are wrong. Some of them acknowledge it by simply blocking you.
It makes sense in a way for folks with low self-esteem. I doubt KD wants to be reminded that he has gotten every single opinion wrong.
KD17
FPG – I guess you have forgotten how to count.
FIRST CHANCE – HOUSTON
SECOND CHANCE – BOSTON
He is on his third chance with one conviction and one mistrial.
Cora deserves a life behind bars from a baseball perspective. He’s a serial cheater. END OF STORY. We have no idea how many other times he has cheated or even if he has cheated in 2021. You give the benefit of the doubt to honest people, not liars and cheaters. Forgiving Cora is sacrilegious to all honest baseball players in the history of the game..
Fever Pitch Guy
KD – He got caught once, hence the second chance now.
I still don’t like his in-game managing, but the players love him and that’s a huge part of being a manager. You probably don’t remember Bobby Valentine, he managed the Red Sox and the players absolutely hated him. It showed in the team’s record. That’s why I always say there’s a human element to player performance.
JoeBrady
I remember when they were interviewing BV about Youkilis. He said never even thought about him any more. Then he said ‘besides, what’s he hitting, an .809 OPS?’. So he wanted it to sound like he couldn’t care less about Youk, but just happened to know exactly what his OPS was from the day before?
What an utter disaster.
Fever Pitch Guy
Joe – Bobby Valentine was a knee-jerk reaction to Chicken-N-Beer-Gate, and kind of ownership’s way of punishing the players for the prior season. So they basically went from one extreme (Tito) to another (Valentine).
JoeBrady
I saw that as Lucchino’s attempt to remain relevant, same as him ‘handling’ Lester. He didn’t like Theo and Tito being treated as the architects of the team and 1st round HOF executives. He wanted to show them ‘how they did back in his day”.
It was very much like Jerry Jones & Jimmy Johnson.
Fever Pitch Guy
Joe – Sounds like you bought into the media-driven “Lucchino the villain” narrative.
It wasn’t like that at all. Lucchino was Theo’s longtime mentor. He hired Theo as an intern in Baltimore, then brought Theo with him to San Diego and Boston. Those first few years Larry surrounded Theo with really good experienced baseball people like Baird, Lajoie, Port and of course Bill James.
Larry and the others let Theo have all the credit the first few years, as he was just 28 years old and obviously inexperienced.
It wasn’t until Theo wanted to get out from under Larry that the friction began. Theo wanted more power, and Henry wasn’t ready to give it to him. That’s what led to the sneaking out of Fenway in a gorilla costume.
And you think Lucchino/Henry were stuck in the past? They were leaders in baseball’s analytical revolution. They hired Bill James! Henry relied heavily on the use of quantitative analysis to make his fortune as a commodity trading advisor!!
JoeBrady
It’s just too convenient. Theo and Tito had basically one bad month in 8 years, and they were pushed out. If that wasn’t enough, he got involved in the Lester negotiations, and I believe it because Cherington got too much credit for 2013.
So Lester says they’ll need to rip the jersey off his back, and males a very fair offer, only to have LL insult him with $75M/4, which was less than half of what he wound up getting.
Fever Pitch Guy
Joe – The Lester situation infuriated me to no end. That was a classic case of “We just won the World Series, so nobody is gonna complain about anything we do for at least 3 years”. He truly wanted to stay and was willing to take a reasonable discount, but the Sox gave him an insulting offer.
But you do realize John Henry was involved in the Lester negotiations, right? All big-contract offers have to be approved by Henry.
From NBC Sports: “Henry once rationalized low-balling Lester by taking a stance against signing pitchers 30 and older.”
As for Tito, there was a lot of personal stuff going on that I won’t bring up here. It kinda all tied into one of the worst collapses in MLB history. When you lose the clubhouse, typically you end up losing your job.
KD17
FPG – He got caught twice but only got convicted once. BIG DIFFERENCE!!!
Bobby Valentine is only a good comparison in that he was a joke of a manager. Why is it you can’t remember 2019 but 2018 and 2021 count as positives simply because hitters like JD and Bogey were hot and made Cora look good. They were cold in 2019 and he screwed the pooch in Spring Training!!! You know that’s a bigger negative on his resume than any positives created by players. His bad choices on pitchers count against him too. All the mistakes have piled up and you have chosen to ignore the obvious. I’m disappointed..
Your recent comments are completely irrational. I get that you now are caught up in the excitement but that doesn’t change the facts. 2019 must count if 2018 counts and 2021 counts. He has no impact on wins since he doesn’t play small ball or make any calls that advance runners on offense then he doesn’t EVER impact the game positively but he does negatively. That happens daily through bad line-ups, bad batting orders, bad pitching substitutions and bad choices as to who to sit. Those are daily mistakes that more an off set any in-game decision he’s EVER made that created a run for the Red Sox.
The human element is the player …. END OF STORY. I thought you played the game? Please tell me how a manager helped you get a hit in a critical situation? You control the swing path, you control the timing of the swing and you control what pitches you swing at or take. Where in the hell during an at bat does the manager suddenly produce a hit?
Players play the game. You’d know that if you played.
Fever Pitch Guy
KD – Cora was officially “not involved” in the 2018 Red Sox video scandal. Whether he was guilty or not – and I do think he could be – he was never FOUND guilty, and that happened BEFORE he was found guilty of the Astros scandal. So he got caught just once, disciplined just once, hence the second chance. Sorry but I’m a Christian so I do believe in second chances, unless it’s a really heinous violent crime or something.
I remember 2019 very well, and have complained about it often. It was 100% Cora’s fault, just another in the long line of bad decision-making. But it had nothing to do with his players not liking him. He just totally mismanaged them, horribly mismanaged them.
I never said I played, I said I COACH little league. So I’m curious, at what level did you play? Did you ever play with Steve Dalkowski?
And sure I’m ecstatic about my team’s performance, who wouldn’t be? They are setting records right and left. Four of the five All-Star players are performing like All-Stars, and Schwarber is doing EXACTLY what I expected when he was acquired.
BTW – Last night Schwarber hit a Grand Salami, further proof that having runners on base in front of him is the best way to maximize his power. If nobody was on base, it would have been just a solo homerun which means just one run for the Red Sox.
JoeBrady
From what I heard, the RS punishment reflected the fact that they didn’t think management was involved, while the came to the conclusion that the Houston FO either knew, or should’ve known.
IRT to your Christian duty, I agree, ‘as we forgive those that trespass against us’ is a key tenet of our religion. But like with so many other ‘rules’ this one also has common sense applications.
It doesn’t really do a person a lot of good to continually sit in judgement of other people, for a couple of reasons. I am not going to hold a grievance against the NYY forever, because of their steroid use. Nor will I against the Astros for the drum, nor will I against Preller for duplicate medical records, or the StL GM who went to jail, or the Braves for manipulating the Int’l signings. TLR got caught twice with DUIs. Washington got busted for Coke. Others for DV.
At some point you have to accept that they got punished. I certainly don’t want any of my youthful indiscretions held against me forever..
KD17
FPG – I said committed the crime twice and convicted once. I think we agree on that point. Religion is fine for mistakes made in your personal life and your beliefs should never be challenged. However, in the business world he’s a convicted cheater and would have been convicted twice if the Players Association had any type of leaders with integrity. Instead of protecting the 30 teams not caught cheating they protected the two that were. They have more egg on their face than the commissioner for the sign stealing scandal.
Cora has gotten ONE more chance than Beltran or Hinch and from everything I’ve read on the subject he was the primary force in creating the cheating in Houston with an assist from Beltran and a look the other way from Hinch. In Boston, he took the ideas of a video room guy and made them happen. Whether he got fair punishment or not isn’t as critical to the evaluation of his guilt as the testimony by members of the Red Sox organization that described the cheating to the Athletic reporters. If it didn’t happen, they would never have brought it forward. Not getting corroboration from players speaks to the grip that the Players Association has over the players. You don’t just make up such an elaborate and accurate story!! Remember, where there is smoke there is fire. The players being forced to clam up by the union is both sad and pathetic.
Not sure where the players didn’t like him came from. I thought the point was if you give him credit in 2018 and 2021 then he deserves the blame in 2019. The fact is the manager has very little to do with the day to day success of a team and having the same team and same manager in 2018 and 2019 proves that premise. That was the point I made.
Steve Dalkowski? I’m old but not that old. He died recently and was born nearly two decades before me. No I never played with him. I played many levels from HS to American Legion to College to Semi-pro before going to grad school. I played later in life as well in a 25 and over league and finished playing around age 55. I coached little league through elite travel baseball including the Cooperstown tournaments for Little League players and the East Cobb National tournaments for HS players. I have been fortunate to coach many fine baseball players who have played Div I, II and III college baseball and a few that are in the minors as well as a Toronto Blue Jay. From an age perspective I pitched and played against guys like Mike Boddicker and Greg Luzinski.
Schwarber hit a grand slam batting first in the line-up and that confirms all I said about his first at bat not being a wasted home run if he happens to hit one at that time. It’s called a great start to the game not a wasted home run. FYI… Go back and check the record of the team when Schwarber leads off as I suggested (got all kinds of negative feedback.for my suggestion!!) I’m not sure they have lost in the playoffs with Schwarber leading off!!!
Hope Atlanta keeps spanking LAD!!
User 4245925809
Who knows when Ramirez started using dope and lets not forget Boston was more than willing to give that still performing headcase away back after the ’04 season for nothing more than ANY team continuing to pay the last 4/80m on his contract.. He was put on waivers with no claims and no “rumored” failed tests for him, unlike the still only rumored one for Ortiz nobody has ever seen results of.
Fever Pitch Guy
My understanding Manny started using in 2003 when Giambi was his teammate.
Like I said though, doesn’t matter … way too many were using back then.
TylerBlackSimon
It’s not baseball’s finest moment.
GCarbs
Here to remind you that baseball is a game. Sounds like you were two steps from having the entire franchise kneel against a wall. Just take a deep breath lmao
BloodySox
Good thing no one cares what you acknowledge.
Angry Disgruntled Sox Fan
Have you ever thought about Pujols with steroids?
Fever Pitch Guy
pwndroia – I know what you’re saying. PED’s has been prevalent among Dominican baseball players for decades. So I agree, perhaps Pujols was a user. But I do believe in innocent until proven guilty.
KD17
FPG – Since there is no correlation between steroids and HRS it’s irrelevant if he took them other than if he did he should have been suspended for taking a banned drug.
The JUICE in the BASEBALL however appeared to have a lot to do with his incredible first 10 years. He won the MVP 3 times and finished top 4 in six other seasons and his one bad season he finished 9th in the MVP voting. Nobody else has had such a prolific start to their career.
Like Aaron, he made it to the majors when the juice in the baseball was peaking. 1999 and 2000 saw the juice index peak at 1.14 then 1.17. In 2001 it did drop to 1.12 for his first year but that compares favorably to Aaron’s first full season in 1955 when the index peaked at 0.90. So if you divide 1.12 over 0.90 you will see that the baseball was juiced in Pujols’ first year 24.4% more than in Aaron’s first full season. (FYI…. Bond’s first season saw a juice index of 0.91 nearly identical to Aaron’s) The nearly 25% higher juice index makes the comparison a bit unfair but it shows steroids had nothing to do with it because there is no correlation between steroids and HRs hit during any decade from 1871 until present. The jumps in HRs directly correlate to the juice index.
The key to the greatness of a hitter is how well they performed when the juice in the ball subsided throughout their career. Both Aaron and Bonds tracked very closely to the juice in the ball each year suggesting that that was a major factor in their home run production. Pujols, however, was more like Babe Ruth and he had upticks in HRs during seasons when the ball was less juiced!! In fact, his 3 MVPs were won during the lowest juice level seasons which tells you others got more out of the juicing of the ball than he did. He was a HR hitting monster regardless of the ball or steroids. Babe Ruth, like Pujols, was not dependent on the juice index to have great HR years. He, like Pujols, outperformed others when the ball dropped in juice level. That’s a sign of a great home run hitters.
Pujols
2001 – 37 HRS OPS+ 157 = JUICE INDEX – 1.12 ROY and MVP 4
2002 – 34 HRS OPS+ 151 – JUICE INDEX – 1.04 MVP 2
2003 – 43 HRS OPS+ 187 – JUICE INDEX – 1.07 MVP 2
2004 = 46 HRS OPS+ 173 – JUICE INDEX – 1.12 MVP 3
2005 – 41 HRS OPS+ 168 – JUICE INDEX – 1.03 MVP
2006 – 49 HRS OPS+ 179 – JUICE INDEX – 1.11 MVP 2
2007 – 32 HRS OPS+ 137 – JUICE INDEX – 1.02 MVP 9
2008 – 37 HRS OPS+ 192 – JUICE INDEX – 1.00 MVP
2009 – 47 HRS OPS+ 189 – JUICE INDEX – 1.04 MVP
2010 – 42 HRS OPS+ 173 = JUICE INDEX – 0.95 MVP 2
So, as much as I thought Pujols may have been aided by steroids when he came out of nowhere in 2001, the evidence shows neither steroids or even the juice in the ball propped up his numbers. They are as legitimate as Babe Ruth’s!!
Bruin1012
StupendousYappi you should do a little research before calling David Ortiz one of the biggest cheats in the game. When you say stupid things you should be prepared to be called out so here are some the facts that you obviously have no clue about from your idiotic comments
Fact one David Ortiz was named as one of the one of the 105 players that tested positive for the report in 2003 but there was at least 10 players who tested false positives was Ortiz one of those we will never now but that leads to me fact two
Ortiz was constantly tested after this according to the commish and never tested positive after the leaked 2003 list.
Fact 3 Ortiz was never named in the Mitchell report or the Balco or any link since the 2003 supposedly anonymous report.
So you have a guy that denies any wrongdoing has been tested numerous times never tested positive since 2003 we really don’t know if he really tested positive in 2003 because of the nature of the test and what was trying to be accomplished by MLB. Yet you are going to call him one of the biggest cheats in the game. Quite possibly one of the stupidest uninformed comments I have read on the site. Do some research and for gods sake use your brain before making stupid comments.
KD17
Bruin1012 – With you 100% great answer AND based on my earlier response the steroids didn’t impact his totals or anyone’s totals.
Still hoping some famous writer takes the facts about HRS/GAME/YEAR and correlates them to the steroid era and finds that there was no difference in the 1950s, 1960s, 1970s when steroids emerged, 1980s, 1990s or even the 2000s with respect to a climb in HRs. The correlation is nearly 1 to 1 with the juice in the baseball. From the dead ball era until now the driving force in HRs hit per year has always been the make-up of the baseball.
Whether the juice level was 0.10 in the 1870s, 0.26 to 0.55 in the 1920s during the start of the live ball era, 0.84 to 0.91 in the 1950s when Mays, Aaron and Mantle all thrived, 0.80 at the start of Bonds career to 1.17 at the end of Bonds career, or 1.39 in 2019 the juice in the ball is the primary factor impacting home runs during any season in baseball history.
Exceptions like Ruth and Pujols have existed who were great whether the juice went up or down but the majority of players track closely to the juice in the baseball. The juice peaks happened in the 20s during the live ball era after the dead ball era, the 1950s, the later half of the 1990s and early 2000s and since 2017. HRs fly when the ball is more juiced than other years. The 2019 index of 1.39 is the peak so far and is roughly 20% higher than the Bonds era. Ironically, the pitchers during the last 20 years have found ways to off set the juiced ball by increasing spin rate and other measures. Otherwise, HRs would be far more prolific than in the late 1990s.
If you want to suggest cheating by the use of steroids you have to consider the cumulative amount of steroids consumed by MLB players and the positive upward trend that should have occurred in HRS/GAME/YEAR. When the number fluctuates up and down from year to year in every decade since 1871 and nothing is different in the 1990s or early 2000s you must conclude there was no impact from steroids. The numbers should have grown along with the use of steroids as they became more prevalent but it didn’t!!!
Steroids started in the 1970s because I witnessed it. The only reason the 1990s jumped out so much was the change in the ball that occurred in 1987 for one year and then again 1994 the strike year and subsequent years. After 1994, the juice kept rising with an alternating pattern. The progressive raising of the plateau of HRS/GM/YEAR led to the McGwire and Sosa phenomena and later the Bonds surge in home runs. Bond’s jump correlates exactly to the jump in the juice in the ball and doesn’t correlate to when his head grew in size and people suspected or even documented steroid use. Most MLB players broke the rule against the use of steroids but nobody benefited from it though additional home runs because the numbers show they didn’t.
So hate Papi if you like but the steroid argument has no teeth.
Fever Pitch Guy
KD – I love Papi so I don’t like bringing up facts, but ….
2006 was the one year when Ortiz hit a record-setting number of homeruns. He had a 7.9% homerun rate that year, by far his best. And he broke the team HR record by belting 54 dingers..
It’s probably not a coincidence that he was twice hospitalized in August that year for heart palpitations. It was all kept a mystery, the team and Ortiz didn’t reveal any information.
After that season the homerun totals dropped considerably, he never hit more than 38 again.
If you want to believe the heart issues had nothing to do with the incredible power surge, that’s your choice. For me personally I will never say with certainty that he did or didn’t use any PED’s in his career.
KD17
FGP – OK lets really look at the facts about Papi and match them to the index.
BIG PAPI =
Age 21 – 1997 – JUICE INDEX 1.02 – 15 games 1 HR MIN
Age 22 – 1998 – JUICE INDEX 1.04 – 86 games 9 HRs MIN
Age 23 – 1999 – JUICE INDEX 1.14 – 10 games 0 HRs MIN
Age 24 – 2000 – JUICE INDEX 1.17 – 130 games 10 HRs MIN
Age 25 – 2001 – JUICE INDEX 1.12 – 89 games 18 HRs MIN
Age 26 – 2002 – JUICE INDEX 1.04 – 125 games 20 HRs MIN
Age 27 – 2003 – JUICE INDEX 1.07 – 128 games 31 HRs BOS
Age 28 – 2004 – JUICE INDEX 1.12 – 150 games 41 HRs BOS
Age 29 – 2005 – JUICE INDEX 1.03 – 159 games 47 HRs BOS
Age 30 – 2006 – JUICE INDEX 1.11 – 151 games 54 HRs BOS
Age 31 – 2007 – JUICE INDEX 1.02 – 149 games 35 HRs BOS
Age 32 – 2008 = JUICE INDEX 1.00 – 109 games 23 HRs BOS
Age 33 – 2009 – JUICE INDEX 1.04 – 158 games 28 HRs BOS
Age 34 – 2010 – JUICE INDEX 0.95 – 145 games 32 HRs BOS
Age 35 – 2011 – JUICE INDEX 0.94 – 146 games 29 HRs BOS
Age 36 – 2012 = JUICE INDEX 1.02 – 90 games 23 HRs BOS
Age 37 – 2013 – JUICE INDEX 0.96 – 137 games 30 HRs BOS
Age 38 – 2014 – JUICE INDEX 0.86 – 142 games 35 HRs BOS
Age 39 – 2015 – JUICE INDEX 1.01 – 146 games 37 HRs BOS
Age 40 – 2016 – JUICE INDEX 1.16 – 151 games 38 HRs BOS
As you can see from this year by year documentation of performance Papi’s HRs grew and fell with the index. But before we get into the minutia lets talk at a higher level.
By 1997 steroids had been used for over 20 years and the higher performance numbers started in 1994 when the ball juice index jumped to 1.03 from 0.89 which was more than 15%. The baseball juice level plateau lasted nearly a decade and Papi came in during the middle of the surge. Steroids existed in Minnesota and Boston and every other franchise in 1997 so because his home run rate was low in the Metrodome people thought Papi wasn’t taking steroids. I would argue that he probably was just like most players at that time. What I would also argue is that steroids had no effect on his HRs as you can see from the detailed data.
Two things changed when Papi signed with BOS. He played at a far more HR friendly park and he became a regular. In Minnesota he didn’t play consistently but by performing well from the start Papi won a spot in the starting line-up in 2003. His home runs went up 50% from his previous year in Minnesota thanks to the ball park, an organization that believed in him along with the players (Pedro etc) and the juice in the ball rising by 3%. In 2004, he played in 20% more games and hit 10 more home runs than his first year. and the juice index rose 5% from the previous year. All this makes perfect sense without any substance accounting for the changes. See if Papi never took steroids in MIN and he got them in BOS then one could argue the uplift in HRs was from steroids not the change in park dimensions and conditions, faith of the organization and players and the juice index and it would be hard to prove which was more true. So lets proceed with the analysis.
The report in 2003 that showed he took steroids may or may not have been true but it doesn’t matter because it didn’t impact his HRs. Remember, Papi played in Minnesota from age 21 to 26 and had 58 HRs in 1700 at bats playing part time most of those six years. Giving a part time player an opportunity to play full time can significantly impact their numbers. Austin Riley is a contemporary example. He doubled his home runs for Atlanta this season as their full time 3B after playing part time for several years. Papi had a similar jump so that is not unusual. So whether Papi started taking steroids back in the DR, during his time in MIN or during 2003 with BOS, I am here to prove it doesn’t matter because it impacted NOTHING.
Looking at the above data and correlating it to your comment about his 2006 performance you can see that he had prolific HRs in 2006 thanks to the juice index being 1.11 (5th highest year in baseball history at that time). The following year the index dropped by nearly 10% and his HRs dropped by nearly 20%. Did he stop taking steroids? NO. Did the less juiced ball and an off season compared to his career year provide for a reasonable drop off? YEP.
Lets talk now about the 2006 hospitalizations. Papi played in 151 games in 2006. How a man hospitalized twice played in every game in August of 2006 escapes me just as much as the fact that I could find no documentation from 2006 of those supposed hospitalizations. Do you have the wrong year? 151 games and none missed in August certainly makes your claim about the hospital visits hard to believe.
So for me, your argument doesn’t hold water. Lets go back to facts not conjecture. The juice index was 0.89 in 1993 (lower than 1961!) and then it rose to a peak in 2000 of 1.17 then gradually tapered down to 1..11 in 2006. At that point, the juice index leveled out 10% lower than 2006 Papi’s last big year of HRs according to you. So, did Papi stop taking steroids in 2007 or was he like all the other players in baseball who saw their home runs drop off by 10% after 2006? I think there is no reason to expect that the use of steroids changed after 2006, it’s far more likely whether he was on them or not that he simply hit less home runs with a less juiced baseball.
Here is the clincher. By 2016 MLB changed back to a far more juiced baseball with an juice index of 1.16 or 15% higher than 2015. Likewise, we see Papi’s HRs rising as the juice index rises and his 38 HRs at age 40 become his 4th highest career total. Did he start juicing again to bring the numbers up or does the significant rise in the juice index better explain the rise in Papi’s home runs while playing in his late 30s?
Steroids whether taken or not taken is a moral issue not a home run issue. The juice in the baseball defines the numbers of home runs that will be hit in a season and most players slumped during low juice years and flourished during high juice seasons. Papi was not different than guys like Jeter or others who have too pure a reputation to be accused of steroids. Whether he did or didn’t do it only matters if you want to condemn an entire generation of players going back to the 1970s for using a substance that failed to enhance their home run production. Haters will hate and others with open minds will see when reviewing the numbers that Selig screwed over a full generation of players by wrongly concluding a link between steroids and home runs.
Papi just like all the other players who had good enough numbers to get into the HOF should be allowed in with a huge apology from Selig and the administrators of the HOF. They both embarrassed themselves by not doing their homework and blaming the wrong cause for the proliferation of home runs. The ball tracks closely to HRS/GM/YEAR dating back to 1871..
syndergaardshair
Why do they keep leaving barnes off the roster? I thought he was supposed to be their best reliever
Fever Pitch Guy
What do you mean by keep? Barnes was on the ALDS roster.
Barnes has been brutal since mid-August. Could be Covid related or just a headcase, hopefully he straightens things out for next season.
Steve Adams
He was left off the ALDS roster and only added as a substitute when Garrett Richards was injured.
To Syndergaardshair’s point, I added a bit more context on Barnes’ sudden and unexpected collapse in the season’s final few weeks at the end of the post.
Angry Disgruntled Sox Fan
He overperformed earlier in the season. The second half he returned to norm levels.
mils100
He was pretty terrible the last 6 weeks of the season. He is a good pitcher but he is off right now and I can see why they left him off.
JoeBrady
syndergaardshair
Why do they keep leaving barnes off the roster?
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whyhayzee
“Boston’s arsenal of lefties.”
TylerBlackSimon
No politics.
Peart of the game
One thing to note is that Sawamura’s control is a little better than mentioned because 6 of those walks were intentionally issued
Ducky Buckin Fent
@Brady, @FPGuy, @Rsox, @Mantooth & the rest of the sox guys.
The AL East was the best division in MLB. Represent us well. &…hell…I don’t know…Go Braves? I guess?
Mickey777
@Ducky. Yes represent the best division in baseball with pride.
And yes go Braves!!!
Ducky Buckin Fent
& it’s going to be an even better division next season, Mick.
The sox’ll be a tough out though. Good ballclub. Man…I detest the ALCS matchup.
So yeah. It’s like voting. I hate the Braves just a little less than everybody else that is still standing.
JoeBrady
They were having a serious discussion today on WFAN. The dude calling in was apoplectic about, no matter who the RS are playing, it doesn’t matter if it was TB, Houston, the Mets or anyone else, All true Yankee fans have to be rooting against the Red Sox.
Ducky Buckin Fent
Yeah, for sure, Brady.
Houston just makes that so hard to do. I’d rather they just both lose somehow.
Angry Disgruntled Sox Fan
Braves have no chance IMO
Ducky Buckin Fent
They’ve a punchers chance.
They can pitch. They have guys up & down the lineup that can take you yard. Braves have power on their bench, too.
I wouldn’t argue that they are the decided underdog versus LA. But I don’t agree that they have “no chance”. At all.
luckyh
The Dodgers are coming down from an intense series. Bound to be some letdown. I think they have a shot. They and the Sox are underdogs.
Fever Pitch Guy
We will Duck.
Let’s not forget, as late as July 27 the Sox had the best record in the league and the 2nd best record in MLB.
They sank shortly after because rival teams were able to immediately improve at the trade deadline, and then of course the Covid outbreak hit.
But now all things considered, I think they are back to what they were at the end of July …. the best team in the league.
TalkSomeSense
Fever.. Best team in the league end of July? How does an 8-7 record from the As game to the end of July make them the best team in the league?
They weren’t even the best team in the ALE at that time . Jays were 8-6, Rays 9-6, Yanks 9-5 . From the AS game onward the Sox were barely over .500 .
Might want to check the facts before making broad statements like that.
TalkSomeSense
Fever.. Best team in the league end of July? How does an 8-7 record from the As game to the end of July make them the best team in the league?
They weren’t even the best team in the ALE at that time . Jays were 8-6, Rays 9-6, Yanks 9-5 . From the AS game onward the Sox were barely over .500 .
Might want to check the facts before making broad statements like that.
TalkSomeSense
Sorry for the duplicate, the button seemed to stick and it would not allow me to delete the 2nd post.
Fever Pitch Guy
TalkSomeSense – No worries, sometimes the same thing happens to me with double posts.
The Red Sox DID have the best record in the league on July 27th, so I’m not sure why you are harping on what happened just at the end of July instead of looking at what happened from the start of the season to mid-July. Do you really put more weight in what a team does for a couple weeks than what they do for three and a half months?
You probably don’t realize Bogaerts suffered a wrist injury shortly after the All-Star Game that lasted for a while, the Sox didn’t have the organizational depth to make up for it.
Also Cora wasn’t managing to win then, Sox fans complained about it at the time. And then the lack of immediate impact trades at the trade deadline was so deflating that it sent the team into a huge tailspin.
TalkSomeSense
You stated that the Sox were the best team in the league at the end of July. They were not.
The other 3 ALE teams were better from the All Star game onwards. If you had said they were the best in the AL up to the All Star break this would have been credible but that is not what you said.
Talking about a player being injured carries no weight as both the Jays and rays lost many more man days to injury then did the Sox.
Bottom line. The Sox punched well above their weight for the first 3 months of the season and their ALE rivals dealt with injuries. If the season had lasted another few weeks or if the Sox had played the Jays in the last 2 months- the Sox would very likely not be in the post season.
Enjoy the ride but let’s not pretend they were/are better then they actually are.
Fever Pitch Guy
TalkSomeSense – What will it take for you to admit the Red Sox are the best in the league?
They easily beat the Yanks in the WC.
They easily beat Tampa in 4.
Will a series win against Houston be enough for you?
The injuries, Cora’s poor managing, trade deadline letdown, and the most devastating Covid outbreak in the league are well documented reasons why the Red Sox performed poorly for six weeks starting end of July.
TalkSomeSense
They were a 500 team +- from the AS game onward, that is 11 weeks not 6.
They are a streaky team when healthy and they are obviously in the middle of a hot streak now . Win the ALCS and I will give credit where credit is do .
I really would have liked to have seen my Jays play the Sox in a 7 game series . ( Both teams healthy with their end of season line ups. )
jmi1950
TSS — all teams are streaky. Cards 17, NYY 13, A’s 13, had the longest win streaks in 2021.
TalkSomeSense
I was referring to the Sox playing like a 500 team for 11 weeks.
I should have been more specific and said prolonged months long streaks good and mediocre.
If the Sox hadn’t had the easiest schedule down the stretch of the 5 teams in the race , very likely they would not have made the post season.
JoeBrady
The 1st half/2nd half dichotomy is fairly straightforward.
The actual splits were .604/.521, but the Py W/L was a lot closer at .560/.530. And since our second half schedule was tougher than our first half schedule, I am not at all surprised by the 30 point difference.
IRT to and easy final 6, it just doesn’t make that much difference. 6 games on the road, against weak competition, gives you maybe 4 wins. In Toronto’s final 23 games, they played Baltimore 7x and Minny 7x.
Fever Pitch Guy
TalkSomeSense – Are you the Jays fan who kept insisting I was wrong months ago for saying the NYY had a chance to get hot and pass the Jays, that the Yanks were due for a hot streak and the Jays were due for a cold streak?
Be honest, you know I often look things up. LOL
Okay if they win the ALCS I’ll expect to see you give them credit.
Sure a 7-game series between the Jays and Sox would have been cool. I’d still like my team’s chances because they have the better pitching, the postseason experience, and the clutch hitting.
TalkSomeSense
Better pitching with Ray/Berrios/Manoah as the top 3 starters? Don’t think so.
I’m the Jays fan who said the Yanks would need to go on a mini win streak of 5-6 games to make the post season. ( Which they did prior to the last series )
Fever Pitch Guy
I think Eovaldi, ERod and Pivetta have already shown they are at least as good as the three you named. But of course I was referring to the entire pitching staff.
TalkSomeSense
Entire pitching staff? You mean the pitching staff that just gave up 7 runs in the 9th inning? The 9th!! That’s gotta hurt.
Karma- Calling them the best team in the AL has awoken the baseball gods 🙂
KD17
TalkSomeSense – Please recognize that even the writers who are open mined enough to criticize errors by ownership, the front office and the manager have been swept up in the temporary hype generated by a team that over-performed the entire year and now is close enough to the brass ring that they too have started drinking the cool-aid.
This is the same team that started the year with no chance of winning the world series. This is the same team that was carried by their 2018 superstars through the all-star break while a .250 hitter from LAD was hitting .250. This is the same team that has a hapless manager who comprehends nothing about in-game strategy, setting line-ups and managing a pitching staff. The fact that they are 2=2 at this point after beating a far superior team in the first round and a far superior team in the wild card game is nothing short of a miracle.
Fans tend to get swept up in the moment and pray for wins rather than logically evaluating their chances and reacting accordingly. FPG has gotten swept up in the moment. This team’s batting order continues to make no sense but Cora makes a change and if they win doesn’t change it again until a loss. His behavior is consistent with a deer in the head lights. Put Schwarber first and they win nearly every game. The second they lose he moves Kiki there until they lose again then he moves Schwarber back. Not the actions of a sane manager. No logical order that considers concepts put forth by Bill James or the OBP supporters in the metrics world. Just Cora playing favorites based on how long he has know a player or how much he likes a player or what race the player belongs to. That’s not a winning formula long-term.
I think you might be right about Karma. But historically the ebb and tide of the emotions of this fan base sway far more than most. I liken it to the Philadelphia Eagles fan base. Extremes no matter what happens so a loss is worse than it should be and a win means more than it should.
I just keep telling people to enjoy it while it lasts because it’s an anomaly not a sustainable look into the future.
Fever Pitch Guy
TalkSomeSense – I know you’ve been patiently waiting for a Red Sox loss to gloat, and you probably didn’t even watch the game. It’s all good, enjoy it while you can!
I’ve already written a detailed summary of how Cora blew the game by mismanaging it. Pivetta, Taylor and Ottavino were great as usual. Eovaldi was not properly rested for that situation and he historically hasn’t done well with Vazquez. The blown call by Diaz didn’t help, if he gets it right then the game remains tied.
Bringing in the worst pitcher on the team was the icing on the cake.
TalkSomeSense
I just find it amusing that a team obviously playing above their talent level are “the best team in the AL ” They are capable of short bursts other then that as constructed they are a mediocre team.
whyhayzee
Tough loss last night. I think the Astros are a tough team and they might not get past them. The stupid thing about their cheating is now everyone will discount their success. I’m not in that category, I was perfectly happy when they won their championship. After the fact, it was making more sense of how they annihilated the Red Sox that year with the cheating. I get more upset over bad umpire calls than cheating. I mean if you hear the banging garbage cans, just give the opposing pitcher a little bigger strike zone. If only it were that simple. Sigh.
Fever Pitch Guy
The Astros cheated in Game 1.
Watch the Hunter Renfroe double down the left field line, the ballboy was positioned right near the line and didn’t move his bench which prevented the ball from going all the way to the LF corner.
I am on top of everything.
miltpappas
Granted, Barnes hasn’t been much but he’s still better than Robles.
JoeBrady
I like Barnes better in the long-term, but Robles is way out-pitching him recently. Robles had a 0.00 ERA in September. He struggled last game, but his playoff K/W is 4/0.. Maybe it’s not saying a lot, but I would trust him in the 9th more than anyone but Whitlock and Houck.
Fever Pitch Guy
Joe – Robles has been a pleasant surprise, no doubt.
And he was nauseous his last game, so we shouldn’t hold that against him. I’m assuming he won’t be vomiting in the ALCS..
Angry Disgruntled Sox Fan
Robles is an excellent strikeout pitchers. Way more useful in high stress situations than Barnes who just tends to implode.
JoeBrady
The thing about Robles and Hernandez is that they can both have good games, even with an occasional blowup. It’s been two months since I felt that way about Barnes.
Fever Pitch Guy
I know how fond Cora is of Robles, if he has one more outing like last night I hope he’s not used in high leverage situations anymore. He could be reverting back to his norm which ain’t good.
Tito had his favorites too, his over-reliance on Timlin is what cost the Sox in the 2008 postseason.
coupofthecentury
Ready to hear the pot calling the kettle black when the Astros visit Boston.
Dorothy_Mantooth
While a 7 game series provides much more leeway for one or two bad games, I feel Game 1 is super important to Boston. Even if they end up losing, so much is riding on Chris Sale’s start tonight. If he falls apart like he did against Tampa and has to be pulled early, the Red Sox will have to tax their bullpen and that will put them at a distinct disadvantage for the rest of the series. If Boston can somehow get 5 innings out of Sale tonight (win or lose), it will set them up very nicely for the rest of the series as they won’t need to burn Houck or Pivetta in a game they are trailing badly. Both these guys have been lights out in the playoffs and need to be used to protect a lead versus wasting them for 4-5 innings because Sale could only get 6 outs or less. Fingers crossed that Sale is able to command his pitches tonight and give them a respectable start.
JoeBrady
I agree. Everyone needs to win, but there is a big difference on our team if Sale is good or bad. With the good Sale, not even the vintage Sale, our rotation of Eovaldi, ERod, Sale and Pivetta is pretty good. And with a drawn-out 7 game series, it allows a bit more leeway to use our key RPs a little more often.
That said, Houston is really good. Altuve fracking destroyed the WS with both his bat and his glove.
Fever Pitch Guy
They’ve been winning without Sale, they can continue to do so.
They didn’t get much help from him in the 2018 ALCS, and still won that one.
FatChance65
Eovaldi and Sale and pray for hail.
BloodySox
Bold strategy Cotton. I like it
KD17
FatTinkers65 oops I mean FatEvers65 oops I mean FatChance65 – GREAT COMMENT!!
FatChance65
They’re going to have to outslug the Astros, because they’re not going to win with their pitching.
Cap & Crunch
“It’s my time”
It’s time for Correa to feel some pain his next AB
Hope Boston obliges, Id only consider that a challenge if I was Cora
Fever Pitch Guy
Cora is too close to Correa to do anything.
JoeBrady
Winning is the best revenge. Unless we beat them, drilling them would look petty. Just use him as a motivation.
JoeBrady
And now it is a 5-game series, with the Red Sox with the HFA. Baby steps, my friends, baby steps.
Fever Pitch Guy
Joe – We got robbed in Game 1 by that #$%*& ballboy on the Hunter double down the LF line!!
Why is the ballboy sitting right next to the LF line?
And why didn’t he get up and carry his chair when the ball came his way?
I wonder if he does when a Houston batter hits the ball. Could be another form of cheating.
JoeBrady
2 down
2 more to go
with one more series
and a 26-man show
That said, a 12-3 win looks just like a 2-1 win. Must continue to pound and must get another 5-6 good innings from Pivetta. Very pleased we could stay away from Ottavino, Whitlock and Houck. Anyone who had 3 scoreless from Robles, Perez & Sawamura, kindly come up and claim your prize.
With only 5.2 IPs from their starting pitchers, in 3 games, the Houston BP must be getting stressed, even with the off day. Greinke will be an interesting experiment. With only 12.1 IPs since the end of August, will he be rusty or fully rested?
jmi1950
Joe — did you see Greinke’s press conference. He looked and sounded like a man with no confidence.
JoeBrady
Greinke was finished 2 years ago, and 5 years ago, and 10 years ago. But he never ever quite goes away. I’d be lying if I said I wasn’t confident, but sometimes these older guys figure that they are at the end of the line, maybe looking at their last game, and get hyper-focused.
I’m comfortable, but Houston can still put up good numbers on offense, and Greinke is still capable of 2 runs in 5 innings. My job now is to make sure I have an ample supply of junk food available.
Go Sox!
jmi1950
My job is to have no junk food in the house. Of course my wife is a great baker.
JoeBrady
That kind of depends. My wife makes a mean pesto pizza. But if she is preparing a gluten-free squash soup, I don’t know, it just doesn’t seem consistent with watching a playoff game.
Fever Pitch Guy
Stromboli has been working for me, it’s become my game-time ritual.
I’m super confident tonight. Pivetta has been my man all year, and with a well rested bullpen that includes Houck and Whitlock and maybe even an inning from Eovaldi, I’d be shocked if they lose tonight. Just look what the offense has done without much from arguably their best hitter (Xander) and Renfroe.
BTW – Disagree with you on the 12-3 win, it was a beatdown. Very demoralizing for the Astros.
And even though I agree that ERod shouldn’t have done the watch motion, it’s good to see he has that much confidence now.
Fever Pitch Guy
Greinke’s demeanor at the press conference probably has something to do with his social anxiety disorder. He’s been on meds over the years and they’ve helped, but I would imagine him starting tonight in that environment will probably be one of the most difficult situations he’s had to face in a long time.
I think there was a Royals player who had a crowd-driven panic attack or something in Fenway many years ago …. not sure if it was Zack or not.
JoeBrady
I agree with the watch thing. The best revenge is winning, and always has been. And you never gloat until it is over. And, when it is over, do you really want to gloat, or would you rather just celebrate?
Fever Pitch Guy
Okay let’s summarize.
Astros reportedly sent a Thank You card to their former bench coach for pulling Pivetta after just 5 innings despite his giving up only 2 hits and one run … ON JUST 65 PITCHES.
Then Cora pulls Taylor after just 6 pitches.
Then Cora pulls Ottavino after just 4 pitches, striking out the one batter he faced.
Then he brings in Whitlock and lets him pitch two innings, which is fine. The only pitcher in the game that Cora used properly.
So he then decides to go with Eovaldi despite his having thrown 81 pitches just 3 days ago and also despite the fact Vazquez was catching. Needless to say, the results were not surprising.
But wait – there’s more!
The icing on the cake, he brings in THE WORST pitcher on the team, a guy who has pitched less than 2 innings combined over the past 16 days, and of course said pitcher promptly gives up 4 hits and a walk and 3 runs while committing an error on a throw to 1B.
This loss is squarely on Cora. I don’t trust him in the close games, never have and never will.
KD17
FPG – Well put. Check Cora’s shoes tomorrow. I bet they will be huge because the clown always wears the largest shoes!!! hahaha
JoeBrady
The process was perfect. I predicted every move, and didn’t think any of them were complicated. Taylor was always going to come in to face Brantley-Bregman-Alvarez (L-R-L). I could’ve predicted that a month ago. Ottavino was automatic to come in to face the righty. Whitlock was coming in for two innings, and Eovaldi was going to be the closer.
The only move up for discussion was whether or not to bring in Whitlock, or leave Ottavino in for one more inning. But every move was 100% by the book. This is the same strategy we employed for all the games started by a righty.
If you want, we can debate this coming Friday’s strategy, since it will be the same strategy with Eovaldi. The starter thru approximately 5 innings, a lefty (likely Taylor) to face a cluster of lefties, Ottavino or Brasier to either finish off that inning, if necessary, another inning from a righty, and then Houck. Do you disagree with this coming Friday’s strategy?
Fever Pitch Guy
Joe Brady – You know I like you, but you view the game very differently than I and I’m sure that will never change.
I don’t view it as Strat-O-Matic, or as a pre-planned “process”.. Most of all, unlike Cora I wouldn’t plan every move ahead of time. I would wait for the game to develope and then factor those developments into my decisionmaking.
So I ask you this question: If it’s common for Cora to pull a pitcher earlier than expected because of poor performance, why does he refuse to leave a pitcher in when said pitcher is performing very well? It’s the actual definition of insanity.
One day I expect to see Pivetta retire the first 15 batters of the game on 30 pitches, and despite the perfect game Cora STILL will pull him after the 5th inning because he already had another specific pitcher planned for the 6th. It’s a horrible mentality/mindset that will inevitably lead to blown games like last night.
FTR – Besides the fact that Pivetta was absolutely dominating and getting stronger in his last inning, did you know he’s got BETTER numbers against LHB than Taylor..
Pivetta in the postseason has a .118 BAA vs LHB and a .226 BAA vs RHB
He also has a 0.56 WHIP vs LHB and a 1.32 WHIP vs RHB
There is simply no excuse for not leaving Pivetta in the game, at least until when/if he got into trouble. The Rays made the same foolish mistake in last year’s World Series with Snell.
And wasting Ottavino by pulling him after 4 pitches? Seriously?
As for Perez, he simply should not get anywhere near the mound when it’s a high leverage situation. The dude gave up SIX RUNS if you include the 3 inherited runners, and he got only one out.
When you say “by the book”, are you referring to strictly L/R matchups?
If so, I would think how a pitcher performs against L/R would matter more than what side of the mound they throw from. I proved it with Pivetta’s splits.
So to answer your question, no I don’t approve of Friday’s strategy. If Eovaldi is brilliant, leave him in for 6 or 7 innings. If he is awful the first couple innings, pull him right then.
As for Taylor, because he is so awful against RHP I would use him only if there’s very few RHB that he could possibly face.. But again, there are so many factors that should be considered … the score of the game, the hitters due up, the pitchers that are available in the bullpen, etc.
In general I am very big on planning, but baseball isn’t something you can plan much in advance. Baseball simulators don’t help at all. If somebody from the front office is telling Cora what moves to make, then shame on the front office. But I really don’t think that’s the case.
JoeBrady
Pivetta has a current year OPSa v lefties of .735, and a3rd time thru the lineup of 1.011. And his career 3rd time thru is .898 (compared to .764 the 1st time and .730 the second time). There is nothing to suggest he is going to be successful the 3rd time thru. Taylor’s OPSa v lefties is .381 this year. Over a big sample count, I’d say the chances of Pivetta out-pitching Taylor in that situation, borders on -0-.
IRT Ottavino, who stands a better chance of success in that spot, him or Whitlock?
IRT this Friday, I’d suggest the same thing as we have been doing. Have Eovaldi over-throw for 5 -6innings, and bring Taylor in again. If he is at 50 pitches after 5, and throwing really well, then maybe get another inning or two out of him, but Taylor against lefties is generally a very good matchup.
Fever Pitch Guy
Joe – Great post, I want to do some more research before responding.
But I hafta ask … Why did Cora change course by allowing Sale to pitch the 6th and face Houston’s 1-4 batters a third time?
And why did Dusty allow Valdez to pitch 8 innings and face the entire Red Sox lineup for a third time?
I think you’re putting too much stock in the “3rd time around” thing. Cora obviously doesn’t always adhere to it, and Houston – a franchise that is right up there with the Rays when it comes to analytics – obviously doesn’t adhere to it.
As for overthrowing – can’t remember if it was Houck or Pivetta, but one of them in a postgame interview mentioned how throwing as hard as he can doesn’t work for him because when he does overthrow he loses his command of the strike zone.
Also the TV analysts have been bashing the overuse of stats a lot this postseason. Tonight they said teams should not be telling pitchers how to pitch. Each pitcher should be going with what makes them most comfortable. And if they constantly get automatically pulled after the 5th inning, how will starting pitchers ever develope into a Scherzer-type pitcher who can give you 7 or more innings every game?
One final note I’ve been wanting to bring up all season:
Am I the only one who thinks Whitlock not only looks exactly like Sheldon Cooper, but his demeanor and mannerisms are also just like Sheldon too?
TalkSomeSense
Fever
9-2, 9-1 looks like they are regressing to their true talent level . Now you see what I was saying a mediocre team playing above their true talent level?
Best team in the AL huh? …… You were gloating over 2 games and making inaccurate statements , seems only fair I do the same in reverse sans the inaccuracy.
Last year was not a true reflection of their talent level, the first 3 months of 21 was not either. They are somewhere in the middle and the 5-6th best team in the AL.
Actually I hope Bloom thinks along the same lines as you and makes few upgrades 🙂 Will be a pleasure romping over them in 22.
Fever Pitch Guy
TalkSomeSense – Did you even watch the games? It’s okay if you didn’t, I know it’s hockey season.
These are the facts:
4th best record in the league, playing in the toughest division in MLB
Just one fewer win than Chicago, who played in a division where every other team had a losing record
Just three fewer wins than Houston, who played in a division where the second-place team would have been a fifth-place team in the AL East
Unlike your team, didn’t add any quality players until Schwarber mid-August
Clubhouse was devastated by Covid far worse than any other team over the longest period of time
Managed by one of the worst strategic managers in the game
Easily beat the Yankees in the WC Game
Easily beat the 100-win defending league champion Rays
If all that isn’t enough to make you realize how good the Red Sox are, then there’s no point in continuing.
As for yesterday’s game, Cora continued to use his two worst pitchers and there were three unearned runs because an outfielder continues to play first base.
The silver lining, Sale took a big step toward getting back to where he was pre-TJS. So next year, with a starting rotation of Eovaldi/Sale/Houck/Pivetta and ERod or someone else, and either JD or Schwarber returning, they will certainly be competing for another division title.
Fever Pitch Guy
Joe – You motivated me to look at Framber’s 3rd time through the lineup stats. Did you see he pitched 8 innings last night, and went through the entire lineup 3 times?
For his entire career, Framber is BETTER facing hitters a 3rd time in a game than he is facing them the first time or second time!!!
First time around, OPS of .678
Second time around, OPS of .692
Third time around, OPS of .625
This is what I’ve been talking about with regard to looking behind the numbers. Some pitchers actually get stronger as the game goes on, Framber clearly seems to be one of them.
Smart pitchers will leave something in the tank for the later innings and will begin using certain pitches in the later innings that they didn’t use earlier in the game. It’s the element of surprise, used to the pitcher’s advantage.
JoeBrady
It’s difficult to address every situation. In the case of Valdez, it probably makes sense to keep him longer to rest the BP. In Pivetta’s case, our BP was rested. In Pivetta’s case, he is likely only has one inning left in him. So you have to make a decision whether that inning will be pitched by Pivetta or Taylor, and I see no way that Pivetta is a better choice there.
IRT Sheldon, I’d say that Whitlock is pretty low-key and analytical. I’m not sure if I’ve ever seen a close-up of his face.
JoeBrady
TalkSomeSense
9-2, 9-1 looks like they are regressing to their true talent level
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Good, I’m glad to see some bitterness on the part of the Jay’s fans. And hopefully, TO will continue to make those big bold moves like Springer and Berrios.
TalkSomeSense
Joe Brady
Good, I’m glad to see some bitterness on the part of the Jay’s fans.
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Na not bitterness just infusing some realism into the situation.
TalkSomeSense
Fever
Facts- Sox were just a tick better then .500 from July 19th onward, even with the addition of Schwarber .
You keep bringing up the Covid situation but it did not last 11 weeks and other teams lost a ton of man days to injury so that is a poor excuse.
BTW I’m just yanking your chain.
Fever Pitch Guy
TalkSomeSense – You know what’s ironic?
Astros were just 31-27 from July 31 on, I believe that also qualifies as a “tick above .500”
I’ve already acknowledged the Red Sox didn’t have much depth during the regular season until acquiring Schwarber, Iglesias and maybe Shaw.
But my original point has always been about a HEALTHY Red Sox team, the same players we are seeing now.
Yeah I know, it’s all good. I’m not triggered. LOL
JoeBrady
If you are looking for realism, someone more snarky than me would suggest that the RS are still battling for the ALCS, while some TO fans are in RS threads rooting feverishly against them.
Fortunately, I am not snarky.
TalkSomeSense
I recall you spending a lot of time in TO threads all season…. please point out where I said I hope they lose the ALCS.
Pointing out they are playing above their talent level is not rooting against them.
Bruin1012
The Houston offense is scary I don’t know about everyone else but they were just missing all game yesterday just getting under it. The Red Sox offense had many chances to put that game away but just didn’t do it now hopefully the Red Sox can come back to life because I am sure Houston’s is going to score runs.
I am also trying to figure out how a guy like Diaz still has a job as an umpire. His strike zone is horrific and inconsistent. Too be fair it wasn’t just Boston, even though he missed the most crucial call of the game against Eovaldi. He missed calls all night absolutely horrible he is making a great case for robot umps. Both teams have the right to very upset with a very subpar umpire who was just terrible last night.
We need to win today it’s probably to much to ask to go into Houston and win two games so this is basically a must win for Boston today. Let’s get some runs early and often again let’s go back to Houston up 3-2 I like our chances if that happens.
Fever Pitch Guy
Bruin – The strike three call on JD was also brutal, clearly it was a ball. Very lucky JD didn’t get called for obstruction, Dusty doesn’t seem to have the desire to argue any calls, luckily for us.
Bruin1012
Yup FPG there were so many badly called pitches but it went for both teams it was just a horribly called game.
JoeBrady
Houston is really tough. They haven’t shown it so far, but they have pretty good pitching. McCullers hurt them, but they still have 5 other pitchers, with ERAs of 3.14-3.62. That’s incredible. I was predicting a sweep of TB, and a much harder series against Houston.
Tough game tonight. Sale was slightly better last time out, but Houck needs to be warming up almost as soon as the game starts. If Sale is off again, Houston can put up a 5-spot before we can get a call into the BP.
Fever Pitch Guy
Joe – How would you line up the current pitching depth chart?
Not including the 4 starters (Sale, Pivetta, ERod, Eovaldi) how would you rate the others?
In terms of confidence I’d go with:
Whitlock
Ottavino
Houck
Taylor (LHB ONLY)
Robles
Sawamura
Hernandez
Brasier
Perez
If you noticed, the bottom two guys have been used a lot in high leverage situations the last couple games. And the results speak for themselves.
Why does Cora keep doing so?
It’s time to use our best pitchers in important situations, screw the matchups.
JoeBrady
Rather than go in order, I’d prefer to go with setups.
Starter 5-6 innings depending on circumstances
With a righty starter:
Taylor to face Brantley & Alvarez
With a lefty starter:
Ottavino (Brasier as my second choice)
When Houston brings in a lefty PH, assuming that Ottavino has faced three batters, then I bring in Taylor.
Whitlock and Houck are interchangeable for the 7th/8th innings.
In the 9th inning, I am winging it.
IRT Perez, he hasn’t been used in ‘a lot’ of high-leverage spots. Just once, to get out the lefty Brantley.
IRT Brasier, I have no problem using him. He has a career .525 OPSa v righties, and has been a pretty good pitcher for us.
If I had to make any change, I think I’d pull Ottavino from his current role relieving Taylor. Put Brasier in that role, and move Ottavino to closer. Robles hasn’t been bad, but if I needed one clutch performance at this exact point in time, I’d go with Ottavino.
Bruin1012
Well that was an ass kicking. It’s win the next two in Houston or go home. Let’s hope for a minor miracle.
Fever Pitch Guy
Bruin – Next two games are easily winnable … as long as Cora does a better job of managing.
How many errors does Schwarber have to make at 1B for Cora to stop playing him there??? He was charged with just one error, but he really made two tonight. He should’ve snagged that throw that rolled on the ground.
I know we all like Renfroe, but time to move Dugie to RF and put Schwarber in LF and play Dalbec at 1B.
Hunter’s career postseason line is .193/.292/.351 and in this ALCS he’s batting .071 with a .421 OPS. No time to stick with him and hope he breaks out, let’s make the changes now!
KD17
FPG – I told you Cora would swap Hernandez and Schwarber after the loss in game 4. He’s clueless. Also, now that Kiki has gone back to being a .250 hitter he needs to be moved to 9th and put Dalbec at 1B so all the crap throws by Devers can be caught. The team has too many weak defenders to be a true contender.
Needed moves include:
1) Signing JD then trading him and Schwarber to clear payroll for a real 1B like Rizzo while moving Dalbec to 3B.
2) Make a decision on Duran’s future and keep Renfroe and Verdugo as corner outfielders. If Duran is not the future deal him to get a big time CF who can bat lead off.
3) Hit Rizzo two behind the new lead-off man (Mookie-like player), Bogey three, Devers four, Dalbec five, Verdugo six, Renfroe seventh, catcher eight and Kiki ninth.
4) Get a left handed SP to slot in after Sale and Eovaldi and before Houck and Pivetta.
5) Get a true closer and use the leftover parts to fill out the roster.
6) Get a manager who knows how to manage.
7) Get a new GM who has experience bringing players to a big market team.
For the fans who didn’t know any better and were convinced the Red Sox had a chance this year when they didn’t, you need to realize the talent level is significantly down and even a “hot” year can’t make up the difference.
Unfortunately, the miracle season will prolong Bloom’s unearned tenure. Zero division championships while starting with more talent than DD when he won 3 straight to start his tenure in BOS. Just remember, the bloated payroll existed when DD took over as well and yet he was able to bring 3 straight division championships. That speaks volumes to the size of the downgrade they took at the GM position. A simple comparison would be Bloom is to DD as Devers is to Arenado defensively!! Yep, the gap is that huge.
My hope of 65 wins didn’t happen and as a result there is no second straight great draft pick to help build the talent faster. Also there was no acquisition that replaces the talent lost by Bloom so the miracle season will prolong the recovery time for the team to compete for a ring. That means the sustainable aspect of the future Bloom discussed when he hired was not sustained success but sustained failure,
Cora and Bloom have probably extended their stays which is terrible for Red Sox fans hoping to win a ring again. But the promises of future greatness will continue to be promised and the believers can hold on to that!!
Overall, 65 wins would have been a better result because it would have done more to fix the real problems: 1) getting a new GM 2) getting a new manager and 3) getting more talent to compete in the AL East long-term.
I think we can declare this magical season a complete disaster since it produced no ring and no talent growth for the future. Fun ride for the fans that thought they had a chance to win but not worth it in my mind. The costs far outweigh the benefits. As the team regresses to the mean in 2022 like they did in 2019, the Cora issue will be glaring like in 2019. The lack of talent will be glaring which should put tons of pressure on Bloom. Ownership’s HUGE profits without winning will begin to wear hard on the fan base. It’s not a pretty picture going forward.
Change is needed across the three levels of failure:
1) Ownership must acquire talent
2) An experienced big market GM is needed to acquire the talent
3) An experienced manager that does more than speak two languages is needed to lead the team through excellent in-game decision making, pre-game line-up creation, a working knowledge of how to know when to rest star players and most importantly a knowledge of pitching that allows them to stick with starters based on skill not ethnic background and an ability to choose the correct reliever at the correct time regardless of ethnic background.
Fix those 3 huge problems and this team can once again compete for real in the AL East. 2021 was a mirage of a season. It may have appeared to be heading toward a ring to the fatigued desert walker but to those not so bleary eyed it was clear they were never going to make it to the oasis!!
JoeBrady
I had Sale pegged for a loss and was prepared to go into Houston needing to win 2 games. Unfortunately, Whitlock giving up that HR changed everything, but there is a reason why Houston won 95 games.
Fever Pitch Guy
Joe – Not sure why you are so down on Whitlock. I fully supported Cora having him pitch two innings that game. He made one mistake, a first pitch homerun to Altuve. No shame in that. The game was still tied, and still very much winnable.
Cora’s two mistakes: Bringing in Eovaldi when he didn’t need to, especially with him having thrown a good amount of pitches just 3 days earlier.
But the biggest mistake was bringing in Perez with the bases loaded and two outs, because Cora assumed Perez would prevail over Brantley due to the LHP/LHB matchup. It was yet another example of how you shouldn’t rely heavily on L/R matchups. It simply doesn’t matter in some situations, like if the pitcher ain’t good … and Perez hasn’t exactly been lights out against LHB anyways.
Not only that, but Cora foolishly took a huge risk by betting that Perez would get Brantley out because after Brantley was R/L/R/L/R.
And BTW Joe …. EVERY lefthanded batter Perez faced got a solid base hit.
Brantley, Alvarez, Tucker all are lefthanded and ALL got solid base hits off Perez.
Ironically, the only out Perez got was against a RHP.
So much for R/L-matchup-driven pitching decisions.
JoeBrady
I’m not down on Whitlock at all. In fact, I have him and Houck designated for the 7th/8th innings. That’s as important as it gets. I’m just pointing out that the HR ruined the strategy.
IRT Eovaldi, his appearance v Houston replaced his BP session. Assuming that he is available for one inning, who else are you going to bring in? Brasier?
IRT Perez, I tend to agree, but I don’t think the difference between him and Hernandez is very much. You could’ve brought in Brasier, but Brantley’s L/R splits are significant.
Fever Pitch Guy
I would have let Ottavino pitch the 7th too.
Whitlock the 8th and 9th.
Even if the game had still been tied 2-2, at least Cora would still have had Houck, Sawamura and Robles available for extra innings.
That was the game Cora should have gone all-out to win.
That was the game he should have used his best relievers as long as possible, and not Eovaldi because many other starting pitchers who relieve in between starts have done poorly.
And I’m sorry but Brasier is not as great as you think he is.
Last year he had a 1.40 WHIP and this year not much better at 1.333
He’s the type of guy that comes into a game and lets inherited runners score, and leaves a game with runners on base only to have the next reliever prevent the runners from scoring.
And BTW, this year I’ve noticed a lot of times the pitcher looking inside their hat at notes. It was never necessary before, why is it necessary now? Maybe it’s a situation where the pitchers are getting inundated with statistical data and it’s screwing up their focus?
JoeBrady
I have nothing against notes, but for an RP, I’m not sure why it is necessary. You’re only going to be facing 3-4 batters. I’d have thought you could memorize their weaknesses and tendencies for 10 minutes.
IRT to going all in, I agree, and that’s pretty much what Cora’s been doing. Before the game even started, I could’ve predicted the exact order of pitchers being Pivetta, Taylor, Ottavino, Whitlock and Eovaldi. That’s about as good as it gets for us.
Fever Pitch Guy
I just don’t recall seeing pitchers looking at notes so much during games. If it’s because they are now being given a lot more data on individual hitters, I think it’s become excessive.
TalkSomeSense
Fever
How does that status of best team in AL look now? 🙂
3 Games- 3 Runs ouch. Karma baby , you spoke too soon .
As I have stated a number of times, a mediocre team that played well above their talent level for stretches.
Fever Pitch Guy
TalkSome – Baseball is a game where the slightest event can completely alter not just the game, but also the series.
If the ballboy doesn’t maliciously block Hunter’s drive down the line in Game 1, chances are the Sox win that game.
And if Diaz doesn’t get the call wrong on Eovaldi in Game 4, chances are the Sox win that game too.
In summary, the best team doesn’t always win and a poor manager can prevent his team from winning.
Just curious – Do you think the Braves are the best team in the NL? Again it all depends on your definition of best.
KD17
FPG – Again with the Kool-Aid drinking!! The next two games are EASILY winnable? WOW
Realistically, lets think through what Cora will do. First, he’ll move Schwarber to lead-off again. Remember, 2 of the 3 losses in the series started with Kiki leading off the game. It’s a great GIFT for his long time friend but it’s not what’s best for the team and that says EVERYTHING about Cora. Selfish people do selfish things. Cheating is an act of selfishness. That’s what Cora is all about. Stroking the egos of players like Kiki and Devers while disrespecting others like JD, Dalbec and Sale is what Cora is all about. Bias and greed prevent Cora from success as a manager. Along with a lack of talent, the same thing that hurt him as a player.
There is always a chance that BOS could win two in HOU because we saw a far superior Patriots team lose to the Giants twice. Anything is possible that’s why they play the games. The keyword EASILY is what I take issue with. As many miracles that have happened this year it would be the biggest miracle of them all to win 2 in HOU.
What you saw on Wednesday was reality settling in. Good fortune led the Red Sox to face a Yankee team with a struggling Cole. A non-struggling Cole closes the door on the season.
Good fortune led the Red Sox to face a TB team that had won with smoke and mirrors because their pitching staff was depleted and it came back to haunt them against BOS.
Good fortune presented the Red Sox with a series against HOU who also was struggling due to pitching injuries. Once again allowing a mediocre set of hitters to face a mediocre set of HOU pitchers. One HOU pitcher finally stepped up and pitched like you would expect to see in a playoff game and the vaunted hitters were completely shut down. Can you imagine them playing against a team that has Fried, Morton, Anderson etc or Buehler, Urias, Scherzer etc.? The beating up of mediocre pitchers was always going to end if they made it to the World Series and that suggests a potential sweep by whichever NL team made it there.
The Astros need ONE good performance to end this series and BOS needs to keep most of the pitchers that Cora threw today (not counting Sale) to never pitch another inning in this series. Eovaldi has the weight of the world on him after being used during his off days between starts. He might as well be pitching on 3 days rest. He’s a very game competitor so I know he’ll try to step up and carry that burden but if he runs into troubles old mother Cora has nothing left in the cupboard.
EASILY? I don’t think so. 1 in a million chance? sure.
Fever Pitch Guy
KD – Great post, I completely agree Cora will be the difference the next couple games. Pitcher usage is probably the most important aspect of managing, and Cora failed miserably the past couple games in that respect.
If Cora manages properly by keeping Eovaldi and ERod in the game until they show signs of losing it, and if Cora stays away from using Brasier/Perez in high leverage situations and stops pulling his best pitchers after just a few pitches, Sox can easily win.
And Schwarber should be in LF with Dalbec at 1B unless it’s later in the game and the score dictates having a better defense on the field.