After days of rumors, the Padres have officially parted ways with manager Jayce Tingler. The former skipper has been offered the chance to stay with the organization in another role.
“Jayce accomplished a great deal in his two seasons with the Padres, leading our team through an unprecedented pandemic and into the postseason for the first time in 15 years,” president of baseball operations A.J. Preller said. “I have tremendous respect for him as a coach, colleague and friend. After much thought and consideration over the last several weeks, we felt change was necessary at this time to ultimately reach our championship potential in San Diego.”
Reports surfaced over the weekend that Tingler was going to be replaced, and while the Padres announced in response that “no decision has been made on Jayce’s employment status at this time,” the writing seemed to be on the wall given the rather stunning nature of the team’s collapse.
At the end of June, the Padres were 49-33 for the season and winners of 11 of their last 12 games. The question at the time seemed to be which of the three NL West powers (the Padres, Dodgers, and Giants) would capture the division title and which two would be destined for a showdown in the wild card game. Instead, the Padres cratered to a 30-50 mark over their final 80 games, including a nosedive that saw the club win only seven of their final 28 contests.
The result was a 79-83 record and the Padres’ 10th losing record in 11 seasons — a bitter pill to swallow for a club coming off an NLDS appearance in 2020 and with the highest of expectations. Despite the star-studded nature of the Padres roster, several of the big names were undone either by injury or a lack of performance, with the starting rotation being particularly hampered by injuries down the stretch.
It was clear the late-season struggle was creating friction within the team, as there were reports of clubhouse discord at Tingler’s decision-making and his ties to Preller. The Padres’ brutal record in September and October might have well been all the evidence necessary for Preller and ownership to decide that Tingler had lost the team, and now a new manager will be needed to get the Padres on track.
Tingler finishes with a 116-106 record in his two years as San Diego’s manager, still a winning mark thanks to his success in 2020, leading the Friars to the playoffs for the first time since 2006. The Padres’ 37-23 record was the third-best record of any team during the shortened season, and San Diego’s victory over the Cardinals in the wild card series was their first postseason triumph since the 1998 NLCS.
While a manager is usually the first to go when a team doesn’t succeed, there were enough issues with the 2021 Padres that Tingler was hardly the only one at fault. The Padres’ next manager will be the third Preller has hired to run the club in his seven-plus years in charge of the front office, and though Preller recently signed a contract extension that runs through the 2026 season, there will certainly a lot of extra pressure on the PBO to finally turn the Padres into a consistent winner.
On the more optimistic side, a case can easily be made that the San Diego job is a prime opportunity for any manager. There is plenty of talent on the roster, and the Padres could certainly find themselves back in contention with better health alone in 2022. Both Tingler and previous skipper Andy Green were first-time managers, so it will be interesting to see if Preller again looks for a younger voice in the dugout or if he looks to hire a manager with past experience.
Should have been Preller
Agree 100%. Preller has traded away so much talent, you can build a 90 win team with the talent he has traded since his arrival.
Preller’s trades are the tip of the iceberg. Top-down is dysfunctional and nobody has any autonomy. Players come here and get worse, the minor league system isn’t producing guys who can fill in, there’s zero depth, not to mention his apparent handle on too many in-game and lineup decisions, which have been incredibly poor. His trades are always exciting but not worth everything else he is as a GM/President of baseball ops.
He’s horrible.
– F. Tatis, J. Cronenworth
padam- the W-L record sort of indicates you need more than two good trades over a seven year time span to build a good team.
Tatis and Cronenworth good trades. But how about Matt Kemp trade and all the money it cost them for, amongst others, Grandal and Elfin. Or acquiring Will Myers for, amongst others, Trea Turner. Or trading away Max Fried for Justin Upton. Drew Pomeranz traded away for Yonder Alfonso. The next year they traded away Pomeranz. Just to name a few.
Not to mention the hosmer signing
Padre fans had the audicty to say Preller hadn’t traded away anyone significant
Rays, Brewers, Mariners, indians, Cubs etc all have multiple great, highly rated youing talent courtesy of the Padres.
One of the Rays top rotation pieces is a young pitcher traded from the Padres. Mariners starting young 1B is from the Padres, The list is long,
Based on what?? He put together a solid roster…The collapse is from the players and manager.
Disagree. They had the workings of a great team on the upswing and he lost patience and made too many trades and impulsive signings. This is squarely on Preller. The players performed, it just wasn’t a well put together plan from atop.
He (Preller) basically won the off-season (according to the MLB universe) with all those moves and signings. The team was 49-33 and rolling end of June…
maybe my memory is bad but what trades or signings did he do after June that caused the collapse??
Tingler lost the clubhouse. That’s the top fireable offense. Certainly clubhouse leaders were at least consulted the last few weeks or months too.
He won the off season in the estimation of fools who think you can build a team the way he did. His plan was deeply flawed from the start. Goes to show what “winning the off season” is worth and what pundits and bloggers know about building a team.
Preller is glorious for bloggers and sportswriters. They don’t really care which side wins as long as they have stuff to write about for their blogs/articles and with Preller there is no shortage of that.
Lots of trades and signings led to the total lack of depth down the stretch.. In a matter of six months he got rid of Luchessi, Lauer, Patino & Quantrill. Every one of them under 25 and every one of them capable of starting games.
Jake Arrietta and Vince Velasquez each started 4 games for the Padres. That should never happen in an organization with proper depth.
@cosmos and Jimthegoat
So you two are the only ones that’s DIDN’T believe the Padres would win 90+ and possibly contend for the NL West ?
All the bloggers/ pundits/ competing teams/players/fans/stat heads had it wrong??
I believed the pundits and bloggers who claimed the Padres “won” the off season were wrong, yes, I already said this clearly. I did think they’d be a bit better than they were. Fans and so-called stat heads are often wrong. They suffer from the same misconceptions. Pundits sell clicks and papers, they’re experts on that, not predictions. Preller built a faulty team. The faulty team failed.
Only the top 3 or 4 managers in the game can effectively deal with both Tatis and Machado. To watch Tatis pout the last two weeks of the season was pitiful. Preller must recognize how important chemistry is in the clubhouse and two stars with “me first” attitudes is tough to corral.
Teams have plenty of players with me first attitudes the Padres wouldn’t be unique. Nor is Machado the same guy he was in Baltimore.
Team chemistry didn’t tank the season. Pitching injuries and lack of depth in the rotation did. Any chemistry issues were more a result of the slide in the standings, effect not cause.
But go ahead and perpetuate bad narratives.
The season is on Preller and I don’t think the moves he made were bad if he had planned on back filling with depth signings but he left himself with too little wiggle room to add the depth needed for a full competitive season.
I get that he traded a lot of talent (Ty France, Patino, Urias, etc.) but honestly the players he traded were just going to be blocked up in such a deep system and never get the chance to pan out. The upgrades he’s made have been significant, and even though they collapsed this year, their team looks scary good next year. Also, their system I think is still sneaky good. Gore could definitely turn it around and become the top prospect people thought he was. Everyone knows how good Abrams is. Campusano is still a top-tier catching prospect. Hassell looks phenomenal. Joshua Mears had a great season. I thought they’ve drafted very well over the past few years. Their roster is among the best in the league. Their system is still churning out talent. They have plenty of depth. It’s really on the players to do their job well, and they should take the blame.
@padresfan111323 Who do you suppose Patiño would be blocked by?
They have not graduated anyone but Tatis from their system. For all the hype of the awesome farm Preller built they have very little to show for it. Padres had the fewest homegrown players on their roster of anyone in MLB.
Anyone still counting on Preller graduating meaningful talent to the big league club is really stretching for hope.
@Remove That guy has no idea what he’s talking about. Starting pitching is the Padres’ biggest need and Patiño would have filled that need, eventually. And then the only reason France is blocked is because they signed a bunch of guys who didn’t deserve it to big contracts.
Ownership had Preller’s job on the line to produce.
Preller went over board and traded just for the sake of trading and to make himself look good if the trades panned out.
Preller pulled a Jerry Di Puto (sp?!)
trading like crazy with much less results…
Solid roster?
Yeah… you don’t get projected as top 3 in MLB with a crap roster. That team has several all-stars, more than maybe a handful of teams.
2021 projections were built off the 60 game season. 60 games is not 162.
And also the off-season moves they made. Not just the previous season, but yes that’s a factor as well.
and they still got off to a 49-33 start so…
If the season was 82 games then a 49-33 record would be something to talk about.
As it is the season is not 82 games and thus I’m not sure why you keep mentioning it.
They were good for 82 games and finished running Arrietta and Velasquez out there. They added Frazier and had like 14 middle infielders. Their $340m franchise player was moved to the outfield and their all star 2B was not playing 2B anymore.
Preller is the worst GM in baseball.
I mention the 49-33 record, (as does the article above) because the same people crying today were probably overjoyed after the 49-33 start. I doubt ANYONE saw a 30-50 finish coming on July 1. Especially after how 2020 went (37-23), playoffs AND the off season moves.
Who was crying fire the GM then??
You’re still using projections as your proof of something? How about looking at the results? Results say bad roster construction. The projections were wrong.
This is the third time Preller has traded organizational depth for veteran players in a roll the dice, go all-in for a crown approach and it’s backfired every time. Trades for Kemp, Myers, Clevinger, Darvish, and Snell – among others – stripped the farm. Lamet hasn’t worked out as projected. Some of those “mistakes” were then sold off to rebuild the minor league system, and when the Padres got close to competing, he did it all again. Without moving on from Preller, I agree that the top of the house is as dysfunctional as the front office.
I’m going out on a limb with a surprise candidate: Mike Scioscia. He never officially retired, lives 2 hours away, just managed Team USA and even once was signed (but never played) with San Diego.
He’s not an analytics guy. That’s why no teams have even sniffed at him last few years. Plus he’s very old school him and prellar would clash instantly.
He was decent with analytics. He used it. But he’s that experienced playoff caliber manager who has 1 ring as manager, 2 as player and commands clubhouse respect. Of course Preller might not like that he clashed with his former GM Dipoto and won.
Preller
Preller is not an analytics guy. He is an old school scouting guy. I think his analytics head just quit because Preller wouldn’t listen to him.
Hire him
But did he ever coach for the Rangers?
No, but the only game he ever played outside of the Dodger organization was for a Rangers minor league team in 1994 when he was under contract with the Rangers and trying to come back from injuries.
Another pair of catchers… Bruce Bochy and just-fired (winning) AAA manager Tom Prince…
You really think they are going to fire a guy who they just extended through 2026 last offseason? (And his contract before he was extended was through 2022 which means his most recent extension hasn’t even STARTED yet)
It should have been under consideration yes. He’s accountable for the entire franchise as pobo he’s the main boss at some point you have to wonder if it’s him.
lmao
Jon Heyman staring in a mirror saying over and over “I was the FIRST to report it…”. His wife, once again struggles wondering how she could save this marriage when Jon is more in love with being first on twitter than her.
If he’s more in love with being first, it’s a wonder they made it this long.
#freakingzing
Does that include… Uh, hem…. First in *everything*?
Baseballpun *bada CHHH*
Less than being first than being able to last…….
This is how it’s done. The team lets a well respected national reporter know it’s coming to alert the fan base and soften the surprise. Then the firing is done a few days later. Textbook process.
Some one had to take the fall. Heaven forbid the players and GM be held accountable.
The manager is the easiest to part ways with, especially right at season’s end. Players are extremely difficult to blame, in terms of parting ways with, since you can’t really trade anyone right now, and you’re stuck with the $$ if you just waive/dfa them. Besides, the GM certainly isn’t going to admit the players he acquired failed. That’d kinda be admitting HE failed. And who’s going to fire him (without admitting the same thing)?
Boone your next!!!!
Fingers crossed.
Yankee fans are forever in denial that their roster isn’t that good. Boone isn’t the best manager in the world but yall act like your 3 star players can carry the team to 100 wins
IACub- You don’t read many Yankees fans posts, do you? Yankee fans have been saying their roster construction has been a problem for a long time.
But, keep in mind, you’re a Cubs fan…. ‘Nuff said!
Yankee Clipper – And yet, Yankee fans STILL want Boone fired, a manager who lead a poorly constructed team to a 92-70 record and a wildcard appearance. But let’s fire the guy with a 328-218 record and replace him why? Because he was built the Roster?
His what is next?
His next season is next… And our early exit from the postseason. Yep, I’m grumpy – only Boone sees this team as truly competitive. The Jays roster is so much better offensively, top to bottom. These teams construct roster balance, like the 90’s Yankees.
Typical delusional Yankees fan, how is any of that Boone’s fault? Yes the team is competitve, 92 wins and a wildcard appearance shows this. And like you said the Blue Jays are a better constructed team. And that is a result of GM not the head coach.
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No! Not just yet. Let Preller hire someone else besides Boone. If the Yanks cut him loose Preller will jump right on him, then tell us he got him cheap.
I see Bochy in San Diego, Showalter for the Yankees and Ausmus for the Mets.
Bochy. Retired!
You’re like a broken record with this. People know. He might un-retire.
The more people keep mentioning Bochy as Tingler’s replacement the more you are going to keep hearing it fam.
There would be a spontaneous ticker tape parade and celebration by Yankees fans in NYC if they fired Boone. He is not well liked.
And I still don’t get it. The man took a poorly constructed team to a wildcard appearance. Yet, Yankee fans are calling for his head.
Finally- hopefully preller isn’t far behind.
I think both Yankees and Padres possibly came into the season as potential favorites of each league. Both teams were the biggest disappointments of the year.
Neither team was the potential favorite in their own division.
ESPN had them projected…
1) Dodgers 107w
2) Yankees 98w
3) Padres 97w
FiveThirtyEight had the same top 3 projections.
SI had the Padres projected near the top as well.
The Minnesota Twins were the most disappointing team in AL this year by far. Nearly everyone had them edging out the White Sox for the AL Central title, but what did they win, 70 games? Brutal season for the Twinks.
Not a Twinkies fan anymore. I thought they were a slam dunk to win the Central and put my money where my mouth was. I lost that money. The wife is not at all happy about that.
You have to put the Mets on your list of disappointing teams, mlbnyfan. They were near universally picked to finish first in the NL East and collapsed in the second half. (Much like the Padres.)
I think Bochy will manage one of the New York teams and Showalter will come to San Diego.
Old managers will be more in vogue with the success of Baker and LaRussa.
Bochy wants his lifetime record above .500 and a chance to win another World Series.
Preller isn’t hiring anyone with a strong personality. It scares him
If anywhere Bochy would take San Diego. It’s his home
It could be a chance for Bochy, to redeem himself.
He managed dumpster fire teams here previously, this would be his first chance to manage a competitive team.
Other than when he won the NL pennant with the Padres, you mean.
@VegasSDfan He doesn’t need to redeem himself. Not sure what you’re talking abut there.
VegasSD – redeem himself from what? He is headed to the Hall of Fame (three rings). He has nothing to prove to anyone. And he retired due to health concerns. Why would he want to involve himself in a dysfunctional organization?
I don’t see how the Padres, a mid market team at best, can maintain a high enough salary base to continue on the current course.
He took the Padres to the playoffs 4 times in 12 years including the World Series in 1998. Not sure what he would have to redeem himself from.
1996-1998 were playoffs teams and one of those Padres teams was NL Champion and the NL s World Series Representative in ’98
Bochy managed those teams.
Does he want to manage under Preller though.
He lives a few blocks from my wife and I in Poway. We see him at Vons and Sprouts from time to time.
Kim’s not moving.
Vacation homes don’t count.
1. Bochy retired.
2. If he didn’t retire, if the reports that have come out in the last month are indeed true then there’s no way he’d ever manage under Preller, nor would Preller hire him for that role.
Someone can unretire fyi
But Bochy won’t. And certainly not to manage the Preller-era Padres.
Heard him on Bay Area radio a few weeks back. He said he would listen if a team was interested. I’m pretty sure he’d be interested in going back home.
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You keep pointing this out like it’s set in stone. People can unretire. His name has been thrown around enough in the media to suggest he may be open to coming back.
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Just curious, but do you ever say anything else about Bochy? Didn’t La Russa come out of retirement this season? That he wants to manage again. So its possible for a manager to un-retire, right? Bochy has said in several interviews recently that if a team comes to him he will listen. When he retired from the Giants he said he was” just hitting the pause button” and it was “just a sabbatical”. That he would “love to have one more shot”.
I agree that he may not want to work with Preller because the rumors are that Preller is a micromanager, but none of us know that for sure. Maybe the owners will give Bochy the autonomy he wants and tell Preller to hire him because it would sell beaucoup tickets to have Bochy as the manager.
Difference is La Russa didn’t retire due to a bunch of health issues like Bochy. Unless you count being an alcoholic as a health issue.
And as you mentioned, he’s probably not going to want to deal with Preller’s micromanaging. And if you listen to the reports it sounds like Preller is literally incapable of giving his manager autonomy.
Frankly things probably won’t get better until Preller is fired. Unfortunate that they extended him for that long. Extensions of that length are generally given to GMs that win championships. Not ones that just make the NLDS.
Bochy will not live and manage in NYC.
He is a West Coast guy.
Maybe, the Angels or Padres.
The Angels have a HOF manager don’t they? At least in Maddon’s mind he is a HOF manager.
Padres aren’t paying a bigtime manager with lame duck GM
Bochy is west coast guy, no way he comes to the east coast esp to a dumpster fire of a franchise like the Mets. They still have to hire a president of baseball ops yet lol
You’ve got a point there about older managers, Kevin. Lou Piniella to the Yankees!
Get ready for Brad Ausmus. Strong SD ties, and he’s “experienced” but still very willing to toe the line and do whatever the GM wants. Don’t be surprised when this happens or when Preller finds the next great manager coaching his kids little league game. Another non threatening choice.
Lol nice guess. Not going to happen.
Good to see Machumpo and El Niño werent any bit at fault for the epic collapse.
I dont believe either of them are at fault. The manager leads the team and is responsible for a team’s success and failures.
Padres had 11-12+ key players hurt and on the IL for most of the season.
It was the shortened schedule in 2000 that hurt the Padres, Yankees and other top rated contenders…..the wave of injuries after playing only 60 games in ‘2000.
Go look at the Padres 40 man roster and injury list for verification.
mlb.com/padres/roster/40-man
All teams have injuries. The Padres problem was mismanagement of the pitching staff and a lack of pitching depth, not injuries.
Musgrove didn’t miss a start. Darvish missed 2. Snell missed 6. Paddack and Weathers got more starts than they should have based on performance. Clevinger got hurt last season, so you cannot include him in the injuries that effected the 2021 season. Other teams had much worse injury issues with their starting pitching including the Braves and Cardinals who are both in the playoffs.
Tatis played in 130 games. Nola was the ONLY key player that missed most or all of the 2021 season. Everyone else was a bit player.
Padres entire rotation for ’21 went down and did not pitch most of the season.
Why do you think the Padres were picking up washed up starters on the waiver wire in September?!
The entire rotation went down?
Is this AJ Preller posting that?
Darvish, Snell & Musgrove all made 27 or more starts. That’s the top 3 of the rotation to start the year. It’s hard to ask for more than that.
@99socalfrc 30, 27, and 32 games respectively for those top 3. Not most of the season. Paddack had 22 starts and I think Weathers was right there. That is not most of the season either. Less than half. Only starter I can really think of that was injured most of the season was Lamet, but that is what most people expected. Padres staff was not devastated like the Cardinals or Braves.
The Injuries were massive and unprecedented this year
that has been proven and commented on by the experts..
That’s because it’s really not their fault. Machado w as like a 5 WAR player this year, Tatis was a 6+WAR guy. Even if you just isolate their stats down to like the last 30 games, these guys were hitting about .300, slugging over .500. They pulled their weight even down the stretch.
Eric Hosmer, Tommy Pham, Adam Frazier and the catchers were the huge offensive issue. That plus zero pitching depth and poor management is what caused this dumpster fire, not Tatis and Machado.
Exactly
Hosmer is weighing down the offense
Pham underperformed
Grisham was inconsistent
Adam Frazier didn’t hit the same with Padres as he did with Pirates
Lamet not healthy
Big acquisition Snell underperformed for most of the year
How much is all that on the manager? Idk but he’s gone now.
The manager is responsible to get the most out of the players. He failed. The players didn’t respect him as several articles pointed out. He consistently made bad in game decisions. The Padres had a positive run differential and ended up with a losing season. That is all on the manager. He’s gone.
Hosmer weighing down the offense… that’s an understatement. With that contract that prellar gave him, that signing was a disaster he should be competing for MVP awards year in and year out
There were dozens of games where we failed to advance runners and score a run or two to win games. He was overly confident in his hitters, even when they struggled. The lineup adjusting has to stop. Dont you stack Tatis, Machado, Crone 2,3,4? Maybe put Nola behind Machado?
The poor lineups ruined this season. The bullpen was questionable at best. The starting pitching was likely good enough, had we of scored more runs
You obviously don’t follow the team since Machado had 5.1 bWAR and had a better 2nd half than first and Tatis was worth 6.6 bWAR while coming back from shoulder injury.
What are they supposed to do, DFA them?
What photos of ownership and goats does AJ Preller have?
Just started Watching sopranos and now this user name is really funny
Phil Nevin will be available for interviews.
Only on ZOOM…he’s hiding under his bed at home.
I think the delay for firing Tingler was probably securing a good replacement. If they couldn’t secure a better replacement, I’m sure they would have kept him. We need a proven winner, someone the players respect. A return of Bochy and Balsley (pitching coach) would be welcomed, I just hope they’re coaching style isn’t outdated.
Bochy retired
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Give Balsley a huge raise to return
Padres/Orioles is happening at the end of the decade.
About time!!! Next is Preller and bring in Epstein.
Padres should be the first team in MLB history to have co-player managers in Machado and Tatis.
Why is it always the managers fault- yeah I know it’s easier
Did you watch many Padres games or read what was said about Tingler in both the local paper and on the Athletic? Players had no respect for him, he made consistent bad in game decisions, and the team was the first one to have a losing record with a positive run differential. He was a terrible manager.
2017 Angels had a positive run differential and a losing record.
I stand corrected. The Padres are the first team to have a 20+ run positive run differential and have a losing record. As far as I can find they are also the only team with a 20+ run positive run differential that did not make the playoffs. Tingler was a terrible manager.
You’re Koamalu
Was just going to say the same thing. 210-209 I think.
And the fans went wild!
Bobby Dickerson would be a great fit. Good baseball man and a little old skool to control the clubhouse. Plus Manny loves him.
No more rookie managers
Best of luck as an assistant manager somewhere
Back to the Dominican League.
Preller led the league in altering medical records.
That’s a weird way to spell Michael Hill.
That would be Mike Dee. He was fired at the end of that season after Preller took the fall for a system Dee had in place before Preller was even hired. Preller was then given all Dee’s responsibilities for baseball operations.
Yankees lead both leagues in signing roided up cheating players and won their last few Titles by CHEATING WITH DRUGGED UP PLAYERS
Cashman leads MLB in acquiring and playing illegal, roided up players,
I wonder if any MLB team would have the balls to hire a player-manager again. This was fairly common back in the 40’s & 50’s. I’d love to see a team take a chance on that again to see how it would work. There would need to be a strong bench coach of course and the player would most likely be a veteran in his mid 30’s who wouldn’t put himself above the team, but it would be awesome to see (also highly unlikely given how much money is involved in baseball today).
Preller should be FIRED.
His crazy, disorganized, illogical trades where he usually was hosed by the other GMs in the league and gave away top young players and prospects like they were growing on trees everywhere made a top MLB farm system into a more average farm system pretty quickly.
Hire Bruce Bochy (that would require firing AJ Preller since Bochy will not put up with all the chaos and BS).
NO MORE ‘RETREADS” FROM THE RANGERS FRONT OFFICE, FARM SYSTEM, COACHING STAFF!!!
Hire a real GM and Manager who know what the heck they are doing.
You really think they are going to fire a guy who they just extended through 2026? (And his contract before he was extended was through 2022 which means his most recent extension hasn’t even STARTED yet)
Ownership is well funded. They can afford to make Preller baseball’s highest paid scout.
Ownership is well funded. They can afford to make Preller baseball’s highest paid scout/
They have flushed much more money down the toilet with Hosmer, Will Myers and others….So it is just a ‘tax writeoff”.
Yup, I especially liked the trade that sent a declining Matt Kemp, along with Tim Federowicz, and cash to the Padres in exchange for Yasmani Grandal, Joe Wieland, Zach Eflin.
Nothing like sending off your all-star catcher and top prospects for a breaking-down OF, a backup catcher, and dough. Yes, the prospects flamed out at their ultimate destinations, but the Dodgers got great production out of Grandal.
That worked out real well for the Padres.
How about the trade of 5 young, talented prospects for Joe Musgrove?!
REPEAT: 5 GUYS FOR JOE MUSGROVE?!
Highway robbery by the Pirates!!!
Not sure if you noticed, but the Pirates lost 101 games this season and the only player in that trade that was above A ball for them was a reliever. None were or are top 100 prospects or even in the Pirates top 10.
Musgrove not only threw a no-hitter, but he had a 3.18 ERA for the Padres. 5 nobodies for a top of the rotation starter is a really good deal for the Padres.
Bednar was an OK reliever in 2021. Not great but Padres could have used him in the second half. Possible their developmental system failed him. Pirates control him through 2026.
Only player they got in that trade who might end up being an impact player is Hudson Head. The problem with that trade for San Diego is Musgrove only has 1 year of control left.
Professional scouts would disagree with you. 5 young players, promising prospects for one average starting pitcher is definitely an ‘OVERPAY”.
They were so highly regarded you couldn’t name any of them
Can’t believe ownership is going to let Preller hire another manager. Literally every person on earth except Preller thought Tingler was a mistake from the word go.
Got that right!
“Hey boys, how about we save all the razzamatazz for when we achieve something significant”
I’d go with someone who could say that to them.
Boch and the Dumpster Diver.
Make it happen, Peter Seidler.
What exactly is this hold that Preller has over you anyway?
Stop living in past with Bochy
You mean like the division winning WS with Larussa? Or were you talking about Dusty Baker and division winning Astros? What where you saying about living in the past with old.managers?
It’s almost that time to shine an nobody shines better then the rockstar during the hot stove league ! He’s the four time defending champion for offseason Titles ! He’s bound to make some trades then leak to the national insiders how shocked he was for how little he had to give up for so and so ! He better hope there’s no long lockout though
Fredi Gonzalez
Oh, and Mackenzie Gore is Padres’ version Zach Lee. You heard it here first.
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The fact he couldn’t get called up when the Padres were so desperate for pitching they signed Jake Arrieta speaks volumes. He’s nearing bust territory.
He’s literally not even 23 yet
Still young, but he gonna BUST.
Powerball numbers please
4 years removed from his draft year. They even gave Weathers a callup before him. But sure keep pretending Gore is the next Kershaw.
Not being called up YET 4 years after you were drafted is normal for a pitcher drafted out of high school.
Look at how poorly calling Weathers up worked out for them. That doesn’t work for your argument. It works against it.
Again, they signed Arriets and Vince Velazquez instead of calling up Gore. That’s all you need to know. Gore was a top 10 prospect in baseball and hyped up to be the next Kershaw. That’s laughable.
Was Kershaw even Kershaw when he was 22?
Even if he was, we saw with Luis Patiño in 2020 and Ryan Weathers this year what happens when you call a pitcher up too early.
At 22 Kershaw was a borderline all star. He had a respectable ERA in the majors 2 years after high school. Gore will never be the next Kershaw.
Yeah, he’ll be better.
Frame this. Wow
Screenshot it. Bookmark it. Meme it. Watch it happen.
Dude, at 22, kershaw had 85G/83 MLB starts under his belt, with a 3.17 era. After his rookie year, age 20, he had 62 starts with a collective 2.85 ERA.
He wasn’t yet “Kershaw” because he’s now one of the best starting pitchers ever. But he’s eons better than Gore.
Gore was passed over when the team was tanking. Same age as kershaw’s 3 year with service. He’s already not Kershaw in so many ways
Just wait my friend. Just wait.
Gore may have a great career.
He’s already not capable of being Kershaw. Part of Kershaw being Kershaw is him pitching in the league 2 years after high schooler as a league average pitcher for 20 starts. Then he rolls of 12 straight years of a sub 3 ERA. By age 23, next year for Gore, CK led the league in ERA and won the CY. Combined, from 23-26, CK won the CYA 3 of 4 years
You’re claiming Gore is starting that Kershaw-level run of winning the CYA 3 of 4 years, next year? That’s quite the dumb claim, even from you
Just wait 🙂
The reason I don’t think Bochy will manage San Diego is because I don’t think he wants to put up with Machado’s immature and idiotic crap.
Machado has a consistantly long record of poor behavior or decisions, most recently his heated dugout argument with Tatis. I think Showalter and Machado have a good relationship and I think he’s the only manager to right that ship right now.
Machado has no history of poor behavior. Especially not in San Diego.
Screaming at a teammate in front of the fans and the rest of his team isn’t poor behavior? Oooookaaaayyyy!
He literally swung at a pitch and let go of his bat, trying to hit Josh Donaldson
I dislike Machado nearly as much as many others here. Ha. But let’s deal with facts. Machado’s bat was one of the ones to go quiet in August, but he was actually quite good all of Sept. The guys around him faded as he got hot again.
I’d imagine you can see how that could make for animosity. The guy who Tatis may see as a reason their down turn started is now chirping about not playing well. Next year is gonna tell us a lot about the next couple years in SD in my opinion
Machado and Tatis were both to blame for the heated argument. Although it was not a good look, it does show that they were frustrated and care about losing. That would not have happened had we of been winning. It also wouldn’t have happened with the right manager.
farewell. Maybe now he can spend some time in the shade or discover what sunscreen is so he can stop looking like a massive honey baked ham.
Lmao
Not his fault the pitching is constantly injured. He’s nothing special but the lack of success isn’t in him.
Now do you A J.
My god, that’s Bruce Bochy’s walk up song!
Someone has to be the fall guy for the two Prima Donna’s with the bling bling.
Hard time blaming Tingler
I would love to see Ozzie Guillén hired for sheer entertainment value. That dude is a character.
Also ‘Jayce Tingler’ has always sounded like a euphemism to me for something gross. Think like rusty trombone or Cleveland steamer. “That woman will probably never talk to me again after the jayce tingler i gave her last night. ” haha
After reading 100 comments, I’m convinced the “Fire Preller” crowd are fans of other teams just waiting to swoop in on him! He’s not going anywhere, but happy trails to Jayce.
No one wants to “swoop in on” Preller. No one. At least not for a GM/PBO role.
Yeah, I’m sure fans from all of MLB are chomping at the bit to see their team blow loads of money on guys like Wil Myers, Eric Hosmer, Jurickson Profar and Drew Pomeranz..
No! Many are just knowledgeable baseball fans….and many are also Padres fans,
I was a Preller supporter, now I’m neutral and trending downward, but count me among those that thought the Pads had a deep 40 man roster heading into the season.
The Pads appeared to have adequate pitching depth in the event of a few injuries. Alas, the pitching staff was ravaged by injury which ultimately became too much to overcome.
Its hard to fault Tingler for losing with the pitchers at his disposal down the stretch. However, by all accounts, Tingler lost the clubhouse and a manager will always be fired when he loses the respect of his players and they tune him out.
I must have missed something. Darvish had 30 starts. Musgrove had 31 Snell had 27. Paddack had 22 which is more than he probably should have had considering how bad he was. Weathers had about the same. So other than Lamet who exactly was it that was ravaged by injuries? Why wasn’t there any depth to take the place of those two guys that did miss 1/3 of the season?
We could have had another 4 and #5 starters down in AAA waiting to help us when we did lose a starter.
We did not score enough runs.
We did not hold enough games with our relief pitching.
Hosmer, and Pham were terrible. Hosmer should be a bench player.
In general, much of the lineup under performed during the 2nd half. Crone, Tatis, Machado played well enough.
The key to being a good manager is keeping the people who hate you away from those who are still undecided.
Casey Stengel
AFT – About F****** Time
Tom Prince?
Bruce Bochy?
Team lacks maturity.
I never thought the Padres would quite clear the hurdle this season, but I also didn’t expect them to be as bad as they were in September. I thought they lacked depth. Turns out they had deeper issues. They’ve got some growing up to do.
I think they just had a highly unlucky season, health & performance wise. Run that same roster out there 5 years in a row, and I suspect 4 of the years, they make the playoffs, probably have 1-2 years of 100 wins. Not many would have guessed the 2 top starters they brought in would both struggle, that the young pitching they were hoping to bolster the rotation either hit the IL for long durations and/or were ineffective (ie Weathers), and a few of their every day players underperformed with the bat. I feel like the Padres & A’s were the two clubs that had the right pieces, but just too many bad breaks, and in the case of the Padres, some of that immaturity and the lack of a seasoned manager got the best of them in the final month of the season.
Many of the players Preller just gave away in bunches are starting for and playing key roles for their teams, including playoff teams and playoffs contending teams. One the Padres young pitchers is in the Rays rotation. another Padres traded player was starting at 1B for the Mariners, Padres., young power hitting OFs landed in trades in Tampa and Cleveland. As it turns out Preller was getting hosed on most of the deals he made.
Ask yourself Why do the Rays love trading with the Padres?!
The Rays routinely win their trades.,
If you have a team that you want to take a wrecking ball to then hire AJ Preller.
By top 2, do you mean Darvish and Snell? If so, they didn’t really struggle if you look at their recent performances and don’t just bank on them being what they were in their best year(s). Snell was about what he was in 2019 and 2020 by fwar and Darvish was similar to his recent numbers if you don’t expect him to keep doing what he did in a sss 2020.
No surprise here. Carry on.
This team has some huge personalities and talent, kind of reminds me of the Cubs prior to Joe Madden taking over. Actually Joe Madden would be the perfect type of manager to take over this club. Seems like they need veteran manager that can take some of the publicity away and is respected. I could see an Aaron Boone if the Yankees dump him or even a Terry Francona if healthy, pull a Buck Showalter out of retirement.
The Padres are an example of an futile organization who found it easier to fire Tingler after his team had under achieving and often injured players including 2 prima donnas rather than reworking the entire roster – what they should do is let Machado and Tatis, etc run the managerial search and focus on locker room morale rather than the analytics minded Teller.
The hate on this site is astonishing. It appears to be half a dozen old women with far too much time to and whine and complain about stuff they have no power over. The game is entertainment plain and simple. It is entirely unpredictable given the individual circumstances. Ask the yanks and Garrett Cole. Relax. Take a pill. Get over your anger.
You mean like the division winning WS with Larussa? Or were you talking about Dusty Baker and division winning Astros? What where you saying about living in the past with old.managers?
Well said