6:00PM: It looks “very unlikely” that Muncy will play in Wednesday’s wild card game, manager Dave Roberts told reporters (including Mike DiGiovanna of The Los Angeles Times). Roberts is hopeful that Muncy will be able to return at some point in the postseason if the Dodgers keep advancing.
3:24PM: Dodgers first baseman Max Muncy left today’s game following a collision at first base. After Jace Peterson put the ball into play, Peterson and Muncy collided while Muncy was attempting to catch the throw, with Muncy’s left arm taking the brunt of the contact. Muncy was in obvious pain while holding his wrist, and he was immediately removed from the game.
Losing Muncy just for the remainder of this all-important Game 162 is enough of a blow for the Dodgers, but at least at first glance, it looks like the type of injury that could put Muncy out of action for at least some of the playoffs. If Los Angeles isn’t able to secure the NL West today, the team’s postseason run could potentially end as early as Wednesday, when the Dodgers would face the Cardinals in the NL wild card game.
Beating the red-hot Cards would be even more difficult for the Dodgers if they were missing one of their star sluggers. Muncy is in the midst of another big season, entering today’s action with a .250/.369/.528 slash line and a team-leading 36 home runs.
If Muncy is indeed out of action, the Dodgers have enough depth to fill first base, even if there’s no simply way to replace Muncy. Cody Bellinger is the most obvious fill-in, except Bellinger has been struggling through a rough season. Albert Pujols has seen the second-most action at first base for L.A., though Pujols has mostly been limited to work against left-handed pitching, and veteran righty Adam Wainwright (Pujols’ former Cardinals) is the scheduled starter on Wednesday.
How much schadenfreude is morally acceptable here?
None because anytime a player gets hurt its bad and not funny. And any giants or any non dodgers Fan thinks this is a great thing can go jump in the lake.
Watching a guy who is an unmitigated d-bag get hurt is *kinda* funny.
Guys I have a degree in disability studies so I can decipher what this guy is saying:
“Waah I don’t like that he trashtalked precious Bumgarner after hitting a ball to the stratosphere”
Definitely a better person than you. Real big of you.
How is he a d bag? How do you know? Honest non troll question
Probably called him a dbag because he owns the Giants and every NL West team
Get a dictionary.
He doesn’t know. Statbook is just mad that Muncy has a career OPS approaching 1.000 against the Giants
If you’re gonna claim that stat book, prove it. How’s he a dbag?
Otherwise, you’re a POS. Get to talking
He’s a D-Bag because I said he’s one.
There, that’s my evidence.
Now go prep for the Wild Card game. It’s gonna be a long week for y’all.
“Statbook is just mad that Muncy has a career OPS approaching 1.000 against the Giants”
His 2021 postseason OPS is gonna be .000. Poor thing.
At age 31, he’s already accomplished more in life than you ever will. Go back to the fridge and grab another cold one to go with those chips, lazy bones.
Bookmarking these comments for the Dodgers’ eventual sweep of the Giants later this week
“Historically, Giants fans don’t do too well in fights against Dodger fans. I would be careful if I were you”
That’s actually not true. A Giant fan killed a Dodger fan a few years ago outside of AT&T
Cool. Now look at the 114,234 other instances of Giants fans getting beaten to a pulp in a fair fight. There’s a couple pretty entertaining fight vids from this season on twitter if you’re interested
Better un-bookmark it since you won’t make it past the Cardinals to begin with.
I know. I just think it’s hilarious he thinks Giant fans are Mother Theresa. Dodger players use to get hit with batteries at Candlestick back in the 70s and 80s
Juan Marichal has entered the chat.
Who is “you?” I’m not on the Dodgers and I’m not a Dodgers fan. Can you read my name and see my profile picture?
Unmotivated dirtbag? Really! What must it be like to be you, statwhatever?
Ah, y’all. That pretty much explains everything. Thanks for clarifying.
@Fletcher….You seem to be promoting violence between fans. Your exhibiting what’s wrong with many sports fans.
paddy, did you see the footage of those two recent brawls at Petco? Scary stuff. It’s part of the reason why I don’t go to games anymore. I saw fights and drunks at the ballpark when I was younger, but today it seems worse.
Never count your chickens before they hatch. Especially in a public forum. It could lead to embarrassment and you having to troll under a different name.
Did Bumgarner get hurt today?
Fletcher you must be a fan of that soft team down in Anaheim. You know that team with a couple of future HOF’ers that can’t reach .500.
You are clearly a young pup who doesn’t know his history, nor of a place called Candlestick Park. Dodgers fans were very fearful of that hellhole.
As a kid, maybe 8-9, I had my Dodgers starter jacket squirted with what must have been 20+ ketchup and mustard packs by Giant fans at Candlestick. Statbook seems to have been raised by that type of ‘man’. Their fan base is the reason I hate that team. I respect the eff out of guys like Will Clark, Robbie Thompson, Buster & Crawford. There are a lot of Statbooks wearing black and orange though…
@CeyHey I did not see those, but I agree with you on being less inclined to go to games. Too many drunk knuckleheads that are zealots in their fanship.
“Y’all” is short for “you all”. I’m literally from Northern California, you Low-T dweeb.
@paddy0875, It was awful. Both times it was Padres fans versus Padres fans. It looked like these guys wanted to kill each other and anyone else nearby. I’m okay with no longer going to the ballpark. Live music in small venues versus pro sports, I’ll stick with supporting musicians.
Wallabeechamp, you probably deserved it. Just sayin’
Gidez1, it seems like you’re projecting. Anything you need to confess to the group?
Maybe find an anger management course, tough boi.
Trash talking, worst case scenario.
LOL. Every year, I see 2-3 dozen fight videos that show up with fan fights at Dodger Stadium. I can count on one finger the amount I’ve seen at Oracle in the past 5 years.
Trust me, the low life thugs that invade that God forsaken Dodger Stadium are the ones to worry about. The latte, crab eating techies at Oracle aren’t that bothersome.
And if they truly scare you, maybe decrease the amount of soy in your diet and toughen up.
Doesn’t matter where you are from tough guy. Wherever you hunker down, you are still a POS.
Are you talking about about the 2011 incident that left one guy hanging on to life after getting beaten by two Dodger fan scumbags?
How can an Angels fan have the audacity to talk negatively about ANY of the playoff teams?
Your team has been garbage for nearly 2 decades, please refrain from speaking until they win a game that actually means something.
We’re all impressed, internet tough guy.
What a stupid comment. You dodgers fans should be ashamed of letting a troll get you riled up.
There’s a lot of scum on both sides these days. Friendly rivalries are good hard for people who live mostly online yelling at strangers I guess.
Damn is this really a Stow comment, if so your pretty trash human being.
So so salty
No one cares you have the best record in baseball. bitter much?
Fans come from every ilk. People are inherently piss poor to other people. Look at what the country is doing to itself over political differences…this is a microcosm of that. People are stupid and we all think we aren’t them.
Thoughts and prayers for a speedy recovery.
As a giants fan who just watched belt get hurt, I hate seeing Muncy get hurt. Two hugely important players, hope they both come back sooner rather than later.
Muncy can jump in that ocean he’s always talking about and take an ice bath
As much as you want, but if you’re a cards fan, just remember it when the Dodgers blank the birds.
If you’re a Giants fan, then you have no morals so the question is moot.
Blank the birds? You should maybe get up to date on what the Cardinals have been doing lately – knocking team after team out of the playoffs. Blank them?? That’s laughable.
Do you remember last night? Or today’s game? Or the last time Scherzer faced the Cardinals?
Have you been paying attention to what the Dodgers have been doing? They have been scalding hot all season, especially since the trade deadline (43-13). They’ve also won 15 straight games at Dodger Stadium and have the best staff ERA in baseball. Do you think that, just maybe, the Cardinals will have their hands full on Wednesday?
This goes both ways… Scalding hot? Are you aware that the Cardinals just had a 17-game win streak?
Yes, I am aware of that. The problem is people keep bringing up the Cardinals’ hot streak while ignoring that the Dodgers have also been hot and for a longer period of time. Anything can happen in one game, but, top to bottom, the Dodgers are the better team. It’s not like they’ll be facing a juggernaut they can’t beat.
They subbed out the starters in both games.
I wouldn’t count your chickens just yet.. Scherzer’s last 2 starts: 10 1/3 IP 17 H 10 ER 3 HRs.
“Just had”…. then losing the last two games of the season.
Dude, the dodgers have been playing at a 130 win pace the last 2 months extrapolated out
17 games? Cute
If you want to get up to date on the Cardinals, they just lost 2 in a row to the Cubs.
Kershaw AND Muncy in the same week. Poor guys.
Dodgers fans crying like babies b/c they have to replace their 1st baseman with either last season’s MVP or a first ballot hall of famer who’s one of the greatest hitters of all time is rich.
If Muncy is unable to play than start Albert against Wainwright. Just adds to the intrigue
I don’t feel bad for the Dodgers, they are so loaded with talent they could put the batboy at first & still win
Curly typical troll comment.
dodger1958, If you’ve been on the internet for any period of time, you’ve likely run into a troll at some point. An internet troll is someone who makes intentionally inflammatory, rude, or upsetting statements online to elicit strong emotional responses in people or to steer the conversation off-topic. They can come in many forms. Most trolls do this for their own amusement, but other forms of trolling are done to push a specific agenda.
Curly: Ignore Dodger 1958- he typically takes comments out of context to feign offense from them. I feel bad for him.
I don’t feel bad for them either. It will be awesome when they lose after buying all that talent.
What talent did they buy? The roster is loaded with homegrown talent. Think before you type. Maybe even do some research.
Binnington which players did the Dodgers “buy” other than Bauer and to a lesser extent, Pollack?
Don’t expect a response. The Dodgers’ two big trades aren’t any different from the Cardinals’ deals for Goldschmidt and Arenado. Adding star players to an outstanding arsenal of homegrown talents, all for the sake of trying to win. Such a strange concept.
dodger1958, It’s Pollock, you fool
and you have the nerve to call other posters “trolls”
Betts, scherzer, Taylor, treinen off the top of my head
They didn’t buy those players. The first three you mentioned were acquired via trade and Taylor wasn’t even close to the valuable piece he is now. Treinen was only available because his original team gave up on him.
Try again
They literally used their financial clout to acquire expensive rentals, and willingly blew past the luxury tax threshold to do so.
If you think that “buying talent” is limited to free agent signings, then you are remarkably dumb.
@thestatbook123 I guess I’m dumb- Please tell the class how “buying talent” isn’t limited to free agent signings. Is trading prospects “buying” now? Do the Rays “buy” all their talent too? Or are they special because they’re “small market”?
Jesus dude. You are dumb.
The Dodgers were able to use their financial clout to take on Mookie Betts, who was paid $27M in 2020. Along with that, they also took on 48M of David Price’s remaining salary. That’s $75M, and by using that financial clout, they lessened the cost they had to pay to acquire Mookie Betts.
How many teams in baseball can take on $48M of damn-near dead salary just to get Mookie Betts? You can count them on one hand. None of that even accounts for the luxury tax cost they have to pay for that ability. If it’s even just 15%, you’re talking another $11M..
They did the same with Max Scherzer. They were already well past the luxury tax, but that didn’t stop them from adding 15M in added salary, plus about another 6 in luxury tax penalties.
The Dodgers are going to pay an estimated $18-20M in luxury tax penalties for 2021. That’s literally an elite free agent’s salary.
Acquiring talent to the extent that you have to pay $18M in penalties to acquire it IS LITERALLY BUYING TALENT.
My expectations of you were already low, but holy crap.
In last year’s expanded playoff field, the Dodgers had more homegrown players than anyone. Find something else to cry about. The Dodgers don’t need to apologize for being a well-run franchise.
Btw, you have a penchant for using the word “literally” where it’s not needed. Why? Do you think it makes your point more forceful? Jesus, dude. You are dumb.
I’m not crying about anything. I’m explaining to the mongoloid Dodger fans (that’s redundant) that buying talent isn’t exclusive to signing free agents.
The Dodgers took on a crap ton of money (through Price’s salary and luxury tax penalties) to acquire Mookie Betts, not to mention the prospect capital on top of that.
And saying, “hey, we’ll spare your team of 48M if you take a lesser package for Mookie Betts” doesn’t make someone a well-ran franchise. It makes them a well-funded franchise. If all 30 teams could operate where the luxury tax was nothing to them, the Dodgers wouldn’t have an advantage, at all.
You’re LITERALLY stupid, and you should probably get back to class little guy.
And no, I use “literally” because using your financial freedom to your advantage is the exact–or shall I say LITERAL– definition of buying talent.
Or, as another example, when I say you’re LITERALLY stupid, it’s because your stupidity isn’t “figurative”. It’s very, very real.
But please, continue focusing on grammar, spelling, and word choice. It further proves that you have to veer away from an argument you can’t win.
If you’d prefer we lower the hoops so you can compete, perhaps try TrueBlueLA. I know that’s a bastion of low-lives and GED-seeking baseball fans. I’m sure you’d fit right in there, for more reasons than one.
@thestatbook123 what I have learned in life is, the people running around calling others names are the ones with the issues.
@thestatbook123- I feel like you don’t have your facts straight. When the Dodgers traded for Mooke Betts and David Price, they had already cleared money and were below luxury tax for 3 years. Since Mookie Betts is often compared to Trout, I’m sure ANY TEAM would’ve made the deal the Dodgers made if they had the prospects to get him- the Dodgers traded away their #1 prospect Alex Verdugo who became an all star. ALL of the teams had the money. And how was Price “dead” money? Or is David Price not pitching and I’m seeing things?
Next you name Max Scherzer, who was only acquired, again through trading top tier prospects, because of the issues with Bauer. So, Bauer, yes, the Dodgers spent. And paid their own players. But you named 3 players, which does not a team make. Your points are weak. Also, paying penalties is not “literally” anything other than “literally” paying penalties, true, it is an associated cost, but it not “literally” buying talent.
“While Los Angeles has signed guys like Trevor Bauer, AJ Pollock, Mookie Betts (extension), they’ve also developed much of their talent on today’s roster:
Corey Seager
Clayton Kershaw
Will Smith
Kenley Jansen
Cody Bellinger
Walker Buehler
Tony Gonsolin
Gavin Lux
Matt Beaty
Julio Urias
Justin Bruihl
Andre Jackson”
dodgersnation.com/dodgers-rockies-gm-tries-to-disc…
@thestatbook123 But you are going pretty hard on the word ‘literally’ which has an accepted meaning, and then you’re being condescending while doing it…
Oh nohz, Mr.. Not-so-Famous King, I was condescending in a comment section? How ever will you cope?
“BuT lOoK aT aLl ThE hOmE-gRoWn TaLeNt” he says as the team relies on Max Scherzer, Mookie Betts, Trea Turner, Chris Taylor, Justin Turner, Max Muncy, AJ Pollock, and many others.
Here’s some stats for you: The Dodgers homegrown talent accounted for LESS THAN 45 PERCENT of their teams’ collective WAR in 2021.
About 32 WAR (of their team’s collective 56.3) was from players the Dodgers never developed.
The idea that they aren’t “buying talent” because “look at all the homegrown talent” is beyond stupid, and you didn’t even bother to look up the impact that acquisitions have made for the Dodgers.
And acquisitions, mind you, that were only possible because the Dodgers weren’t even concerned about the luxury tax. Not that they have to be, but the criticism that they are “buying a championship” and “buying talent” is warranted. And anyone with a few brain cells to rub together can figure that out.
But don’t worry, Mrs. Queen, no one is accusing you of having the slightest clue what you’re talking about.
So run along now. Mom will have the pizza rolls ready for you soon.
” I’m sure ANY TEAM would’ve made the deal the Dodgers made if they had the prospects to get him- the Dodgers traded away their #1 prospect Alex Verdugo who became an all star”
It literally had nothing to do with prospect capital. Every team had the prospect capital.
The Dodgers used financial leverage to free up $48M for the Red Sox over the next 3 years. This, in turn, LESSENED the prospect capital necessary to acquire Mookie Betts.
The Dodgers’ means of acquiring Mookie Betts without crippling their farm system was to use their financial clout to acquire talent. They had no use for David Price, especially at 16M a year, and took him on for the sole purpose of lessening the prospect cost. If you think the Dodgers acquired David Price because they were mesmerized by his talent, then you’re massively stupid (not that we didn’t already know this).
They bought Mookie Betts for a lesser price by buying David Price from them. That’s LITERALLY “buying talent”.
Boohoo the Dodgers are a well run organization that spends money on their team. It hurts my little baby feelings so I spend my time whining on a baseball rumor site about it. Can someone please help this guy get the sand out of his whisker biscuit?
@thestatbook123 You clearly didn’t read the link, which was predictable, since your overall maturity kind of displayed that to begin with. I’m also ok with you acting the way you are, but you’re all burned up for being called out for saying ‘literally’ and you’re fairly rude while you do it. I’m not surprised you don’t see the correlation. But, no, it doesn’t affect me really.
Most of your points were already addressed in the article, so maybe give it a look?
Also claiming that not looking at the ‘impact’ as though that is somehow relevant doesn’t make your argument valid- the whole point of trades and acquisitions is TO make an impact. To speak to your part that these players are hugely impacting the Dodgers and your contention that it’s all financial backing, again, I’m going to lean into NONE of that would be possible if the Dodgers did not have the prospects to back them up. It still isn’t buying talent. You seriously think all the other teams are penniless and broke, unable to pay their players that they acquire, but I’m the one lacking in brain cells.
Also, seriously, the insults are pretty lazy. I honestly heard that stuff in 3rd grade.
“Also claiming that not looking at the ‘impact’ as though that is somehow relevant doesn’t make your argument valid”
What the actual flip are you talking about? Who on earth cares that the Dodgers are “homegrown” if that homegrown talent isn’t the key contributor. Not to mention, the Dodgers aren’t “homegrown”, 60% of all the players that appeared in a game for them this year were brought in from outside the organization. So the “homegrown talent” doesn’t even represent half of the WAR or half of the players rostered by the Dodgers in 2021. What are you on about?
“I’m going to lean into NONE of that would be possible if the Dodgers did not have the prospects to back them up. It still isn’t buying talent.”
Well, duh. It’s not like the Red Sox were just going to give Betts away if someone took on David Price. Obviously, it took prospect capital. But it’s quite obvious that acquiring David Price was done in order to LESSEN the prospect capital. Trust me, the Dodgers weren’t just taking David Price because they felt charitable or because they wanted a 34-year-old lefty on a downward trajectory on a 3/48 deal.
So yeah, most teams can’t afford to pay Mookie Betts almost 30M for one year AND David Price 16M AND give up prospect capital on top of it. (And without Price added in, the cost for Betts gets to the level that few teams, including the Dodgers, would be able to reasonably give up).
Teams don’t want to pay the luxury tax penalties, so adding $43M in payroll, which represented 20% of the threshold, wasn’t going to be an option.
The Dodgers legitimately BOUGHT TALENT.
I don’t even say this as a stab at them. I have no issues with them doing this. I’m just saying that it happens. And it’s hilarious that Dodger fans are trying to act like the Dodgers aren’t doing this.
They are. They have been doing it for a while. It’s part of their strategy.
But if you’re going to sit there and pretend that this isn’t the case, then you are easily the stupidest person I’ve ever corresponded with on this website. And considering the amount of Padres and White Sox fans on here, that’s actually impressive.
[What the actual flip are you talking about? ]
You blabbing about “the impact’ of players that were acquired through trades, and since they weren’t straight from the farm, then that means they were bought and paid for. My contention is they are not bought and paid for.
[Who on earth cares that the Dodgers are “homegrown” if that homegrown talent isn’t the key contributor.Not to mention, the Dodgers aren’t “homegrown”, 60% of all the players that appeared in a game for them this year were brought in from outside the organization. So the “homegrown talent” doesn’t even represent half of the WAR or half of the players rostered by the Dodgers in 2021. What are you on about?]
I feel like I’ve already explained this to you and you’re being intentionally obstinate about it. The linked article does a nice job explaining it and you should read it. The Dodgers have a deep farm system of well scouted and coveted prospects. Those prospects are used to then acquire pieces needed to fill in gaps or holes in the roster, as well as create depth. A few of them were deemed valuable enough to be signed to respectable extensions. Some were let go. Of free agent signings, notable players AJ Pollock and Trevor Bauer were plucked right off the store shelves as you said. Betts signed an extension that any other team would’ve offered if they thought he’d take the deal with them. Other players were cast offs of other organizations that the Dodgers reclaimed because they saw value, so yes, technically Justin Turner isn’t homegrown, he was DFA’d by the Mets, and now he’s a Dodger. I think Muncy and Taylor were similar. Same with Trienen. These guys weren’t brought in on massive contracts.
[Well, duh. It’s not like the Red Sox were just going to give Betts away if someone took on David Price. Obviously, it took prospect capital.]
So you DO get it!! There you go!!!
[But it’s quite obvious that acquiring David Price was done in order to LESSEN the prospect capital. Trust me, the Dodgers weren’t just taking David Price because they felt charitable or because they wanted a 34-year-old lefty on a downward trajectory on a 3/48 deal.]
Doesn’t matter. They traded away the 19th best prospect in the league to get Betts and Price. Who drafted him? The Dodgers did, in the second round of 2014. Are both Betts and Price playing on the current roster? Indeed they are.
[So yeah, most teams can’t afford to pay Mookie Betts almost 30M for one year AND David Price 16M AND give up prospect capital on top of it.]
Why not? All of the owners are billionaires. Or do you have secret knowledge of their finances that you’re not willing to disclose?
[Teams don’t want to pay the luxury tax penalties, so adding $43M in payroll, which represented 20% of the threshold, wasn’t going to be an option.]
Oh, so other teams just don’t want to spend money on their players and pay the luxury tax, but the Dodgers, who did the work for it, are willing to for the first time in 4 years after having to spend in recovery from the McCourt circus, and that means they’re just throwing money around and haven’t developed a farm system and fantastic players to get there. They were below the luxury tax from 2017 to 2021 (including when they signed Betts to his extension in 2020). They were really out there not fielding contending teams, out bidding every other team with their financial might, weren’t they?
[The Dodgers legitimately BOUGHT TALENT.]
*some
[I don’t even say this as a stab at them. I have no issues with them doing this. I’m just saying that it happens. And it’s hilarious that Dodger fans are trying to act like the Dodgers aren’t doing this.]
Your hostility makes me think you really are bothered by it though. It’s the ad hominem attacks that you keep getting called out for seal it. You just sound like another angry fan whose team under performed. It’s cool to hate LA and use the same poorly thought out arguments.
[They are. They have been doing it for a while. It’s part of their strategy.]
Their strategy was to develop the farm and pay the players that were worth keeping, then spend wisely on free agents without getting locked into albatross contracts, and make smart trades. Seems like they’ve done a good job of that.
[But if you’re going to sit there and pretend that this isn’t the case, then you are easily the stupidest person I’ve ever corresponded with on this website. And considering the amount of Padres and White Sox fans on here, that’s actually impressive.]
First, I think you have me confused with someone else, because I rarely post on here, but whomever you’re referencing probably finds you just as insufferable as I do. I’m not pretending anything, and I think I’ve made my points clear enough for you to understand but I expect you’ll deny them anyway because you’re so attached to your many pre-reflective commitments. The Dodgers have been fielding contending teams for YEARS, they still have a deep farm and coveted prospects, and are willing to pay players they see as generational stars. They are one of, if not THE, best ran organization in the league, and that’s not by accident. To crystalize it for you, the Dodgers did not break the luxury tax from 2017 to 2021 when they signed Trevor Bauer. Those years include 3 WS appearances and consecutive wins of the division.
I’m getting bored going around in circles with you, and I’m sure you’ll respond with the same crap you’ve been prone to heaving. So I’ll give you the last word on it, then move on.
” I think Muncy and Taylor were similar. Same with Trienen. These guys weren’t brought in on massive contracts.”
Blake Treinen was legitimately brought to LA on 1-year, 10M deal after his stint in Oakland. He was 1-year removed from a 3.6 WAR season AS A RELIEVER in 2018, and a 1.4 WAR season the year prior.
Are you really going to pretend that the Dodgers somehow found a hidden gem in Blake Treinen? And brought him in for “cheap”?$10M for a relief pitcher isn’t “cheap”. His 2020 contract was in the top 25 of largest relief pitcher contracts of all time. Did you even bother looking up Blake Treinen before mentioning this? LULZ.
“Oh, so other teams just don’t want to spend money on their players and pay the luxury tax, but the Dodgers, who did the work for it, are willing to for the first time in 4 years”
They are close to $50M OVER the luxury tax. This didn’t happen by accident. So yeah, it’s pretty safe to say that the Los Angeles Dodgers don’t care one bit about going over the luxury tax. Are you actually suggesting the Dodgers are trying to stay under the tax? You’re comically stupid.
Here are some numbers for you:
Of the Dodgers estimated $267M payroll, 62% is from non-homegrown talent. 60% of all the players who played for them in 2021 came in from outside the organization. 55% of their Wins Above Replacement came in from outside the organization.
The cognitive dissonance you and others on here choose to live with, thinking that the Dodgers are relying heavily on homegrown talent isn’t just maddening, it’s actually stupid. You’re willfully propping up a lie to yourself and to others by saying what you’re saying.
And for what it’s worth: I read the article. All the ads make me assume my computer has more viruses than your mom, but I read it. Maybe next time, try one from a more reliable source. “Dodgers Nation” writing in cognitive dissonance about the Dodgers? Not that I expected much from the get=go. but that was pretty comical.
The article also refuses to see that the Rockies developed Arenado, Blackmon, Story, Carlos Gonzalez, Jon Gray, DJ LeMahieu, and others over the years. This says nothing of how awfully ran the Rockies are, but Adam Salcido (whoever the eff that dud is) acting like the Rockies haven’t developed talent of their own is why I legitimately ignored the “article”. (Calling it an article is an insult to all of our intelligences, but since you don’t have anything to be insulted, I can see why you think this is one)..
To recap: the Dodgers are paying 165M in salaries to players they brought in from outside the organization. That, alone, ranks the 10th highest payroll in baseball, including ahead of the Giants, who won the division. For what it’s worth, the Giants, who have one of the highest rates of bringing in players from outside the organization in baseball, have the exact same percentage of non-homegrown payroll: 62%.
Their homegrown talent accounts for 46% of their team’s WAR. And, again, they won more games than the Dodgers. They did this all the while spending over $100M less than the Dodgers.
To make that crystal clear: The Dodgers had to blow WAYYYY past the luxury tax to win 106 games. The Giants were almost $50M under it.
If that doesn’t show the hilarious disparity between those two organizations right now, I don’t know what will.
“Why not? All of the owners are billionaires. Or do you have secret knowledge of their finances that you’re not willing to disclose?”
It’s this that reveals how much of a mongoloid you truly are. A) If you think having a net worth of a couple billion means that teams will just freely give away $43M in payroll AND $50-60M in perceived value worth of young talent, then you are incredibly naive and dumb.
$43M represents 20% of the luxury tax threshold, something that every team not named the Los Angeles Dodgers has tried to avoid (and according to you, they spent 4 years trying to stay under it). Clearly, to these billionaires, staying under that threshold matters.
Betts & Price, in 2020, represented 20% of the threshold, but just 7.5% of the roster. For most teams, that’s not feasible. And for the teams that were less than 43M under the tax threshold, they absolutely weren’t going to take on that deal, nor were they going to pay the added prospect capital if Price wasn’t included.
Not to mention, a sports franchise is incredibly volatile, financially. The average MLB club’s annual operating income dropped by $110M in from 2019-2020. Not that MLB owners could predict COVID, but they also understand the fragility in the year-to-year operation of sports team ownership and the risks associated.
So acting like every team could afford $43M in added payroll, plus $60M in future value (a total of around $100M) is colossally ridiculous.
It’s actually funny to see Dodger fans try to spin this like their team isn’t unique when it comes to spending, or that every team can just spend lavishly, or that the lavish spending isn’t the SOLE EFFING REASON their team was even remotely competitive to begin with in 2021.
Here’s one more fun fact for you: The Dodgers spent 2.5M per win. The Giants spent $1.5M. The Dodgers’ 2.5M per win is one of the highest-ever costs per win in MLB history. Quit acting like they aren’t buying wins.
Hahahaha good one
If Muncy can’t go, the start will go to Bellinger or Beaty. Dodgers will enter the game 43-13 since the trade deadline, 18 of their last 21, with 15 straight wins at Dodger Stadium. They will also be 106-56 for the season. That is what the Cardinals will be up against.
The best fans don’t complain about injuries, even when a team has more than their fair share. Just find a way. It’s been a GREAT season, regardless of what happens Wednesday. Whatever happens in October doesn’t erase six months of thrills and nonstop winning. Giants fans should keep that in mind as well.
Nailed it, Cey Hey
I saw the replay. Looked like elbow/arm not wrist. Hopefully it was a bad stinger. But that seems optimistic. The Dodgers would know if there was a break by now.
dodger1958, injuries sometimes work in strange ways. One door closes and another opens. A good post-season by Bellinger and all will be forgotten. It can even become legendary.
Hmmm. Lefty-swinging Matt Beaty is 4-4 with two HR over the weekend, 3-3 with a HR and 4 RBI off the bench today. The Cardinals are starting a right-hander on Wednesday.
Cey I agree but Bellinger is just lost at the plate. Beatty raked today. Hopefully Muncy is ok. But sure are a lot of friggen aholes on this website. Who is happy that a player on another team is injured?
dodger1958, I hated it for Brandon Belt. After all those years of some fans saying he doesn’t hit enough homers, he shut them up and was homering like crazy. But, like the Dodgers, the Giants didn’t hand their heads because of an injury. These just kept on winning.
Gotta be Beaty at 1B on Wednesday, right? We have seen his hot streaks.
Beatty played 3rd today. Outside – very – that Muncy could be ok though it didn’t look good.
It’s Beaty you idiot, you don’t even know your own team.
Curly, it’s not a big deal. Why so angry?
True. I typed it out wrong. I confess.
And calling out someone as an idiot is so you. But looking at the substance of your posts it is consistent.
Oh and it is not “my” team. So who is the idiot?
dodger1958, I don’t refer to them as “us” or “we”: either. I don’t care that other people do, but, personally, it doesn’t feel right.
You can’t even spell Pollock right, you spelled Beaty wrong. You call other posters “trolls” but you can’t even spell your own teammates correctly. YOU are the troll here.
It is the elbow according to the reports and the visuals. Don’t know where anyone got the wrist.
BTW, Peterson was running inside the baseline. If he’s running in the lane where he’s supposed to be this doesn’t happen.
You can say “well, glad we don’t have to face him” and not “glad that dbag is hurt”
It’s ok to want your team to win and not just fall over trying to compliment your opponent. What isn’t ok is trying to act tough by hoping random people get violence done towards them at sporting events
Except someone like Statbook, it would be fun to watch him get punched in the face
Where do I send the rent check to, mcdustysnatch?
Send it to your mum. I’d like for her to spend some money on herself so she can be all dolled up for our smash session this weekend
Don’t flatter yourself, mcdusty. My moms only dates people with a modicum of purpose and usefulness on this planet.
But hey, while we’re at it, are you staying 1000 feet from all parks and schools?
She does like the modicum now that you’ve aired her kinks out for everyone to read
You never answered my question. Are you staying away from little boys?
Of course not. Why would you ask that question when you know damn well I drank all of your Capri Suns for some post smash hydration during my last visit. You’ve been pretty mouthy today, I think it’s time I talk to your mum about turning the WiFi off in the basement
You drank all the Capri Suns before smashing a 9-year-old?
Yikes, bruh.
It seems like you are projecting some traumatic past experiences into your tired and lame responses. You act like a 9 year old and now it’s obvious that you were most likely touched by an uncle or a neighbor when you were 9 years old and are now stuck in that stage of emotional development. Since I’m basically your father now I am demanding that you put your helmet on and go play outside, you’ve been cooped up in the basement hating on the Dodgers for too long now and your mum and I are getting concerned
Dang. My dad just became a 400-pound basement-dwelling morbidly-obese low-life dweeb who touches little boys.
Or as everyone knows calls it: the average Los Angeles Dodger fan.
Damn bro your jokes are just getting more lame each time and now you’re even stealing my material. You’re also still projecting but I’ll play along since this is probably a good exercise for you, letting out some of those repressed memories. Ok now show us on the doll where the 400 pound man hurt you.
Wow dude, show us where the bodies are buried, they may give you a live sentence
Curly, why don’t you go and correct some spelling somewhere? Not surprised to see. troll coming to the aid of another troll, you clowns seem to stick together
I jammed my hand like that and hurt the ligaments near my wrist recently. It took more than 2 weeks just for the pain to subside. I’m no world class athlete with world class trainers by my side, but I’m thinking he misses WC and NLDS if they make it that far.
Don’t worry, they won’t.
Let’s see. Scherzer v Cardinals this year. 2 Starts. 14 innings. No earned runs and 22 Ks. I wouldn’t be so “cocksure” binnington.
Add: Dodgers have the best home record in MLB and have the best record over the past ten games. I am not predicting they win like you are they lose, but, again, I wouldn’t be so cocksure the Cardinals win. Can’t wait to see your excuse if the Cardinals lose.
Scherzer’s last 2 starts: 10 1/3 IP 17 H 10 ER 3 HRs.
I’d be more concerned if I were a Dodgers fan. Cards have nothing to lose, and no one expects them to win. All the pressure is on LA.
It is? The only ones who seem pressured are cardinal fans and giants fans trying to talk smack to a team that won 106 games and underperformed the entire first half
For now Giants fans have earned the right to talk smack lol. Giants broke the Dodgers franchise record for wins, won the division, won the season series and on top of it did it with a payroll $107M less. If the Dodgers win the WC game and then the NLDS then by all means lay it on
“giants fans trying to talk smack to a team that won 106 games and underperformed the entire first half”
As the yoots say in cheering sections: Scoreboard.
The Giants won 107 games, while the Dodgers won 106. But don’t let pesky facts get in the way of your own stupidity LMAOOOO
Not smart to talk smack before the season’s over. The team’s success has nothing to do with you.
“The team’s success has nothing to do with you.”
Any other blatantly obvious gobbledygook you want to share with the class, Cey Hey?
Is it ever a good time to talk smack? I prefer to talk baseball, but I guess that ship has sailed.
Since almost no comment above says this I’ll just be a human being who loves baseball and finds Muncy a joy to watch play the game and say “this is a real bummer, hope it’s not as bad as it looks and he’s back soon.”
Also I thought the report said elbow injury, not wrist? (From Dodger Insider and several other Dodgers beat reporters)
Thanks for being a human bean. It’s becoming a rarity.
And yes, you’re right, the injury is the elbow.
@Binnington50, my dollar is on you, because dodger1958 can’t even spell his teammates names. Go Cards
Curly the Dodgers are not “my” team and he is not my teammate.
I guess the Dodger1958 threw me off – are you kidding?
Curly, that would be his “team’s” name with an apostrophe. There’s also no need for an “s” in your second usage of the word “team.” If you’re going to poke fun at someone else’s spelling, make sure you get it right yourself. Otherwise, you wind up looking…well, you know.
Hey hey hey don’t attack grammar Cey, you’re above that
That’s not spelling you’re pointing out, it’s called punctuation, you may wind up looking…..well you know
Curly, It’s also spelling if the punctuation is part of the word. Writing is a huge part of my livelihood. The point is, don’t criticize and make the same kind of mistake. Self-editing is tricky.
tstats, No, I am not above it. People who overuse and misuse the word “literally” cause me great pain. I might have to buy a weapon.
Hopefully you won’t buy a weapon, but knowing you, you will kill yourself with self importance & arrogance. You are the most self absorbed, narcissistic poster on this site
Oh, the irony.
Cannot an ugly man note when he sees an uglier man? I see a lot of those comments about the pot calling the kettle black with regards to online spelling and grammar. Seems dumb. Anyone can point out mistakes if they want to be that way, but probably shouldn’t
You too curly, you are above the slander you’ve distributed today. Please relish the Yankee win and likely win in the WC over Boston (knock on wood). Don’t attack my fellow dodger fans. But at the same time… Yanks better F up the RSOX Rays and Astros. My AL team from here
Ahhhhh, what slander?
Mate you’re a great poster and I respect your writing but on tbis page you have been attacking unnecessarily which is uncharacteristic of you
No tstasts, obviously he is not above doing this. And this isn’t the only thread.
Curly, as I noted above, this isn’t worth your time. These are just people with opinions and the perceived power of anonymity.
I don’t care for Cey Hey’s shtick, particularly when he goes down his rabbit hole, but he is well-informed and cares about the game like we all do. He’s usually well-intentioned. Nevertheless, it was a bit over the top with the gun thing.
Brother, I hope it’s just a bad night for you and this all goes away tomorrow. Man, this is baseball, that it.
Go Yankees!! #28
Cey Hey’s schtick isn’t the rabbit hole, it’s, as Curly noted, his self-importance and arrogance.
Going on a comment forum and insulting people for their word-choice and spelling, when the conversation is about baseball? Honestly, who does that. Why would anyone actually care that someone uses the word “literally”, and even more so, create a huge level of theatrics because of it.
Look no further than this gem: ” Writing is a huge part of my livelihood. The point is, don’t criticize and make the same kind of mistake. Self-editing is tricky.”
Taking three seconds to look up how to spell A.J. Pollock or Matt Beaty isn’t “tricky”, and it makes him look like a ridiculous buffoon when he acts all high and mighty about “writing” but can’t be bothered to check his own.
And worse, he has zero problem acting with a laughable bravado on this site, but when he’s called out for the exact thing he criticizes, he cannot handle it.
He’s literally the lowest denominator on any internet forum. I’d take 1000 trolls before I take Cey Hey, mostly because the trolls don’t actually think they are doing anything noble. Cey Hey thinks he’s the most important dude on this website. When really, he’s a little less than the bugs splattered on my windshield.
tstats,I appreciate your support, but because of my previous life, I can’t & won’t support a bully.
Curly is a turd
Ignorance is bliss, You must be very happy mcdusty49
I am happy. I get to watch my team continue in the playoffs. How about them Dodgers?
Doyer fans seem to be a little on edge.
Why exactly?
Beauty could/should be at first for the wildcard game. Not good with glove at all, anywhere, but has a hot bat and can be replaced late for defensive purposes by Bellinger.
You can throw all the prior Scherzer stats out the window this year against the Cardinals. They are a completely different team the last few weeks and just at the right time. Losing Muncy is a blow. Wainwright and Molina have years of experience together. The Cardinal’s bullpen has been rock solid as well. If Scherzer’s pitch count is high early. That could be trouble
Wainwright has lost like 9 straight playoff games he’s appeared in
Check out record when Cardinals started win streak till now. I bet Dodgers have a similar record
@laswagn, You win your bet.
Cardinals in their last 21 games: 19-2
Dodgers in their last 21 games: 18-3
The Cardinals’ winning streak started with two wins over the Dodgers in St. Louis after the Dodgers had beaten them in the first two games of the series.
The Dodgers have won their last 15 games at Dodger Stadium by an average of 3.2 runs-per-game.
Reading some of these comments were sickening.
I don’t watch Dodgers games very often as a Giants fan, but pushing being a fan out of the way, I never like seeing a ball player get hurt. Muncie was in serious pain. I hate the Dodgers, but have always liked the class act of Muncie and Kershaw. Hope he’s ok.
Some of these comments wishing unhurt upon muncy show people’s true colors… scum of the earth, absolutely sickening
Yeah, we used to have to visit a dive bar or something to encounter the dregs of humanity. Now we don’t have to go any further than a baseball discussion board. It’s depressing.
Muncy is that guy who if he’s not on YOUR team, you dislike him tremendously.
That said that collision at 1st base involving a the 1st baseman’s arm is a brutal injury, never pretty. It messed up Cliff Floyd’s career back in the day, it would appear based on what they’ve said so far Muncy has escaped serious injury.
@TheStatbook123 absolutely dominated this thread. Respect!
He just showed that he’s a POS. You kissing his ass says just as much about you
I think there’s enough blame on both sides of that; you can’t be a participant and then claim victim status because he was wittiest. It’s a devolution that’s pervaded nearly everything in life. It’s tiring, but we can be a better example instead of engaging – something I’ve failed to do before.
Wittiest? He’s celebrating a player being injured…if you call that wit you can join them on the nincompoop list
McDusty: I was not referring to that statement about injury, rather the thread in general and the comment about the thread. I’m not engaging in who won, or my personal opinion. If you’ve seen my posts from the past you would know where I stand on injuries, but that’s irrelevant to my point, which it seems, you missed. But, I’m okay with that.
I think it’s a lot more simple than your take on it. If you make ridiculous comments about a player being injured then you are an idiot. If you call someone an idiot because they make stupid comments about a player being injured you are calling out an idiot. If you are calling out someone for calling out an idiot you might just be seeking attention.
mcdusty, 49, I’ve ready through these comments, and if you honestly think you’re being the bigger person here, then you’re a fool. A childish fool, but a fool nonetheless.
John Jaso I never said I was being the bigger person, nor was I trying to be the bigger person. You can handle trolls that wish injury on players how you like to, I’ll handle them how I like to. Thanks for your comment though.
Well, it’s nice to know that you’re at the exact same level as thestatbook Congrats, I guess.
Congrats on being promoted to comment police chief. I fail to see how getting involved yourself is any different.
Bummer, been rooting for Muncy ever since He first flashed his power in Oakland. To see the player he’s become is amazing. This feels like a total gut punch to dodger fans, and I feel your pain, we just lost our super HOT 1B as well. It looked like he was in pain and from what I’ve seen from muncy in his career he’s a pretty tough guy. Hopefully he’s able to bounce back because he’s become an amazing player. This possible division series between dodgers and giants would be much better with Belt and Muncy playing. It will still be epic and this is baseball , just sucks both teams lost their best bats before the playoffs.
This is a bummer. Assuming the Dodgers win the WCG – it is important that Max turns up to play – villains in dodger blue are mandatory. No Muncy, no weird sex guy, no Puig – now they are just a team full of good likeable players.
Why would Muncy be a villain type? Seems like a very good guy.
Because he hits absolute tank jobs off Giants pitching, I guess?
Dodgers fans wish Belt a speedy recovery on here, Gnats fans come in and spread their AIDS all over. So sad.
Don’t speak for us all. One bad apple doesn’t ruin the whole tree for me. I’m sure there’s a few Doyer fans out there that spread their AIDS all over. I say as a Giants fan, what happened to Muncie is painful to watch, and don’t wish that on any ball player. Muncie is a class act, along with Kershaw IMO
Thanks buddy, never fun to see a guy go down especially right before the postseason. I know that most Gnats fans aren’t idiots, unfortunately you seem to be the anomaly on this post. Hope to see you guys at the end of the week.
All baseball players are D-bags! There is even a college team from Long Beach called DIRTBAGS. I don’t think a dude like mad bum needs protection from someone who lives in San Francisco