OCTOBER 25: McCullers confirmed he won’t be able to pitch in the World Series while speaking with reporters this afternoon (video via Mark Berman of Fox 26). The righty indicated that the strain he suffered typically requires a six-to-eight week rest period, and there’s obviously not that level of leeway remaining at this point of the season.
OCTOBER 24: Astros right-hander Lance McCullers Jr. hasn’t pitched since Game 4 of the ALDS, and it looks like his forearm injury will end his season. MLB Network’s Jon Heyman reports that McCullers won’t be available for the World Series, so Houston will now have to try and win its second consecutive postseason matchup without one of its best hurlers.
Astros GM James Click didn’t rule McCullers out when speaking to reporters (including The Houston Chronicle’s Danielle Lerner) earlier today, noting that roster decisions didn’t need to made until Tuesday morning, “and we’re going to take every minute we can just to see how he’s responding. We’re not taking anything off the table….It’s obviously something that I know Lance wants to be out there if he can, so we will talk to the doctors and him and the trainers and figure it out from there.”
However, as open-minded as Click was about McCullers’ chances, Heyman’s report essentially formalizes what has seemed increasingly evident over the last few days. McCullers has yet to so much as throw since suffering his injury, a strain of his flexor pronator muscle. While the muscle injury itself doesn’t present any serious long-term issue, McCullers has already undergone Tommy John surgery (costing him the entire 2019 season), and obviously the Astros aren’t going to take any unnecessary risks with his health.
That TJ rehab cost McCullers a chance to participate in the 2019 World Series, and it’s quite possible that with a healthy McCullers in the fold, Houston would’ve been able to bring home another championship. The righty has quietly been a very solid arm during the Astros’ postseason runs, with a 2.83 ERA over 57 1/3 innings as a starter and a reliever in the playoffs. This year alone, McCullers allowed just one earned run in 10 2/3 frames against the White Sox in the ALDS, starting Games 1 and 4.
Framber Valdez was announced as Houston’s starter for Tuesday’s Game 1 against the Braves. As we saw in the ALCS against the Red Sox, the Astros will take a flexible approach to their pitching plans, so no other starters have been officially slated for the other World Series games. On paper, it would seem like the Astros would line up Luis Garcia in Game 2, Jose Urquidy in Game 3, and then Zack Greinke for perhaps only a few innings to begin Game 4, with Cristian Javier and Jake Odorizzi on hand to provide innings as long men out of the bullpen.
TradeAcuna
The Braves won’t have Soroka though…so….
Stros18
The Astros don’t have McCullers or Verlander, so
ChicksDigTheLongBaII
So you’ll have to bang on that trash can even louder, I guess.
Stros18
dunnetg punch the air a little harder
JeffreyChungus
Sounds like cope from a guy who knows his team’s gonna get annihilated by a team that has a .223 hitter batting leadoff
DarkSide830
or will they…
Steve Nebraska
Leadoff is overrated. The only thin more overrated than leadoff is batting average.
tstats
I beg to differ Steve. Leadoff is important but now he is just the guy to hit the first homer instead of be a table setter
johnrealtime
How is the importance of the guy getting the most ABs overrated?
Deleted_User
@Steve Nebraska what happened to deleting your account?
kscheer
^
Steve Nebraska
Lance McCullers won’t pitch at all for months. Not even in his own backyard.
Buzz Saw
Dude is made out of balsa wood
timpa
Braves are also without the batter who had he not gotten hurt would have quite possibly been NL MVP.
Braves Butt-Head
That is huge you could call him their number 1 starter. This world series could wind up being a last pitcher standing event.
Stros18
Didn’t have him vs the RedSox and still beat them. The Braves without Acuña and the Astros without their top 2 starters makes for quite the battle
afsooner02
Too lazy to look but the braves without Acuna were better than they were with him….oddly.
Benjamin101677
Afsooner02
Without Acuna and the new look outfield the Braves from August forward have been the best team in the majors and according to Buster Olney had the best record at 44 and 22. The Braves came within a bad bottom of the 8th in game 3 from actually sweeping the dodgers.
Offensively the Braves are the deepest I have seen since the 1990a
Dumpster Divin Theo
Wow, according to Buster Olney. Who has proprietary and exclusive access to such information.
bradthebluefish
Gotta give credit where credit is due.
Benjamin101677
Dumpster divin Theo;
I have quoted some bad sources recently and I just wanted to not look stupid again but saying that I got it from Olney.
Dumpster Divin Theo
Jah, good idea to just let Olney do all the math
Steve Nebraska
I agree with both Stros18 and Butt-Head. I’m actually more excited to watch this WS than I would ever be to watch Yankees or Red Sox vs. Dodgers or Giants. Stros18: You are aware that over 90% of the country wants your team to lose, right? Astros are your team so root for them to the end no matter what but you know everyone else wants them to lose, right?
itsgonnahappen
What?! People don’t like the Astros?
It’s old and tired, man. The Astros have proven that they have been head and shoulders above the rest, even while losing so many high end players. Say what you want, but the Astros didn’t start banging trash cans until Beltran and McCann came over from the Yankees.
Buzz Saw
Yes, people outside of Texas do not like the Astros just like people outside of Georgia don’t like the Braves. Imagine that.
Dumpster Divin Theo
Two most hated teams in their respective leagues. Cept for maybe the self loathing Mets, but that’s a program for a different bat channel.
Ducky Buckin Fent
See, @itsgonnahappen?
& you guys wonder why us Yankee fans act so “entitled”. Great example. Beltran & McCann (who came over in separate trades, but who cares you are on a roll!) implemented all the cheating on your poor innocent little ballclub.
Then: you guys get caught & we casually stroll away. Innocently whistling with our hands in our pockets. & all merely because we are the Mighty Yankees, uh?
That about right?
Only at MLBTR, man.
Go Braves.
bradthebluefish
Astros are talented but too many cheaters are still on that team. Trash cans and buzzards. And only the GM and coaches get in trouble? Hogwash. Players started the cheating and executed the cheating. They deserve to be punished. Karma will catch up to then.
SocoComfort
Hey Buzz. I’m from New York and grew up watching the Braves on TBS. There are a lot of fans outside of Georgia bc they watched the Braves on TBS. Maybe you are too young to remember that idk.
itsgonnahappen
A) Prior to the 2017 season, McCann was traded for, Beltran was signed. Simply said until Beltran and McCann came over, but let’s not get facts involved, you are on a roll!
B) You are still active in a legal battle against unsealing a certain “document” in a certain “court”, whilst keeping your hands in your pockets and whistling, hoping everyone forgets. So let’s not play innocent here.
Ducky Buckin Fent
A) Fair enough. & I am!
B) Astros received the maximum punishment the commissioner could levy. But, sure dude. It’s all those damn Yankees fault. Wasn’t a preexisting systemic approach. Nah. It was all that villian McCann & his evil henchmen Beltran. Because we all know how good at writing algorithms those guys are.
_______________________________________________
Alright.
I’m done. I just can’t resist poking a little fun at conspiracy theories sometimes. Bugs my girlfriend too.
For real though: Enjoy the World Series & best of luck with all your personal Banging Schemes.
itsgonnahappen
Didn’t happen in 2016, just check the numbers. Coincidence, maybe. Agree to disagree on something we may never know for certain.
Benjamin101677
Sococomfort
Central California Braves fan watched them in WTBS than TBS I will watching people forget about the fan base being everywhere because of tv
Dumpster Divin Theo
Twisty into a pretzel
goastros123
Only 5 players remain from that 2017 team. You act like everyone is still there. Is karma going to punish Ryan Tucker, even though he wasn’t on the 2017 team?
itsgonnahappen
Kyle?
BuJoBi
@nebraska
I dont want astros to lose. With or without the banging they are a great team. Be great to see them win one legit just to shut up all the trash can haters. People cheat in baseball, been going on since forever, why are the astros so hated for cheating when every team does it for some small advantage. Its lame, it’s a old narrative, a win would stop that. Also I dont think the entire country hates them, just like always the voice of the hater is the only voice. Stating an opinion like mine leaves me open to one thing, attack so most people wont bother. Me idc
Dumpster Divin Theo
Why would it be great to see them win one? Playing the victim card. Woe is me, noone likes us, wah, wah, wah. Astros being hated is not lame. The Astros are the one that’s lame. A win is not going to wipe away the culture of cheating.
Dumpster Divin Theo
Yeah the entire country doesn’t hate them. Just the select few visiting ballparks that taunt them ceaselessly every time their cheating mugs pop up on the jumbotron. That’s only a few. Like, er, 29. 29 isn’t many is it? Aren’t there like thousands of ballparks in this great land of ours.
LaBalaDePlata
And the fact that they keep winning in spite of the jeers of those 29 other ballparks is proof of how great this team is. The complete overhaul of the pitching staff, stealing Yordan from the Dodgers, losing Springer, etc. Yet they just keep winning.
Even if the apologies had been sincere, people would act the same as they do now. Might as well embrace it and give a big “Screw You” to the haters.
Altuve walked off the Yanks, lately?
itsgonnahappen
The Astros are the ones that’s lame?
Why are you showing up on an Astros rumor thread to say this then? Because, your team sucks and couldn’t make the playoffs and you want to feel relevant. Good day sir.
The Mets "Missed WAR"
No one said the Astros were bad. They said the Astros were cheaters. There’s a difference. Being a good team doesn’t make up for the fact they cheated to win it all in 2017. The sad thing is the Astros Astros didn’t believe in themselves in 2017. If they did they wouldn’t have felt the need to cheat. Self doubt and a serious lack of integrity is not a good foundation for a baseball team. Unless, of course, they get to cheat in order to compensate for both those shortcomings. That’s not an advantage the Astros are going to have this year. Unless they have paid off all the World Series umpires or something. I wouldn’t put it past them.
LaBalaDePlata
Still crying I see. I don’t feel sorry for you.
itsgonnahappen
Exactly, in 2017. The Astros proved in 2019 and then again in 2021, they can win on their own, but yet here we are, talking about 2017.
Again, you didn’t hear about banging trash cans until the Astros acquired two former Yankees to “Lead” the team.
Hey, here’s an idea, it’s 2021, let’s talk about 2021.
The Mets "Missed WAR"
Hey, here’s an idea. It’s a free country. Let’s talk about whatever we want.
Barkerboy
Agree. The Mets are losers.
Lloyd Emerson
Hey, here’s an idea. Stop liking your own comments.
Dorothy_Mantooth
I’m not an Astros fan but I do appreciate the talent on their team and tend to agree that a World Series victory in 2021 will derail some of the cheating accusations (not all but some). It works the other way too though. If the Astros lose to Braves (which could easily happen), then you’ll hear more than ever that this team can’t win it all without cheating. The core Astros players (Altuve, Bregman, Correa) all know this so hopefully they don’t put too much pressure on themselves to get this flagship win for the franchise.
While it’s not for the same reason at all, Dodgers are going to continually hear they can’t win a “legitimate” World Series after a full 162 game season either. A big part of winning the WS is how healthy a team can remain after playing 170+ games. The Dodgers didn’t need to do that last season, but they did this year and their injuries took a toll on them for sure. The Padres could have very well won the World Series this year if the regular season was only 60 games.
Dumpster Divin Theo
Won’t deny they’re now great. That much is certain. This is lining up nicely like WWE for MLB. Everyone loves them a villain
Allen Adams
I trust Jon Heyman… He is a know it all.
Dumpster Divin Theo
This
jessaumodesto
Neither will I
tstats
Both expected
Ron Tingley
Kind of a bummer for the guy. Trash cans didn’t help throw the ball, just gave him Run support to win.
Crazy that he lead the league in BBs with 76 and yet only threw 162 innings, which was his career high in 7 seasons. Long gone are the days of Nolan Ryan 202 BB seasons eh? Just fact checked myself and there hasn’t been a 100+ walk leader since Ricky Romero in 2012. Pretty impressive since everyone is throwing hard now days
tjettman
Mr. Glass breaking again.
GreenBay astros
Still with the trash can stuff. I love how everyone pretends that their team wasn’t doing anything similar. I was at game 4 against the dodgers, and couldn’t have a conversation with my dad right next to me…but the batters can hear a trash can smack from 100 feet away? Gimme a break. Sour grapes from a bunch of losers. Then all you haters complain that they didn’t get punished…well why didn’t the red Sox and Yankees get punished? Red Sox won a world series doing something similar. Baseball fandom is getting more pathetic than crazy uncle j…
whyhayzee
Not only is there a Marshall amp for trash cans but it goes to 11. 😉
whyhayzee
Well, the Red Sox “cheating” was comical. Some guy in the outfield sees the the signal, Apple Watches it to the guy in the dugout who then signals the guy on second base so he can signal the batter. And this all happens between the time the pitcher accepts the signal and throws the pitch. Of course it does.
BuJoBi
Couldn’t agree more, its lame, it’s old, it was 4 years ago, these are the 2021 astros and other then the true haters I dont think anyone really cares. Especially since a league wide crack down on cheating has just happened….again. I think we all need to stop being snowflakes, realise this is a billion dollar industry and teams (every team) will find anyway to win…even cheating, what a shocker in this oh so honest world lol
Ron Tingley
Jay’s haven’t won in almost 30 years. Maybe you’re just mad they didn’t come up with the trash can idea huh snowflake?
tstats
I’m gonna put my two cents here:
It is ok to hate on the players that were proven to truly participate in the scandal (use that nifty chart of bangs) but it is NOT ok to hate anyone after the 2018 deadline (not sure when the cheating truly stopped) or the Astros organization as a whole. Young prospects shouldn’t get bagged on for being Astros (Kyle Tucker while not a prospect is an example).
term3186
Don’t forget, not too long ago the Braves had their own cheating scandal…. which resulted in their GM being fired and formally blacklisted from baseball.
Cmurphy
It was international signings, not in game improprieties, and Braves accepted the responsibility of their GM, and the penalties. The only issue I have with the Astros is their lack of contrition. They’re a good team and probably would have won without the cheating,
logo69
Yep. Seeing people say everybody cheated like the Astros did is highly unlikely, though there were undoubtedly other teams who participated. But the Braves were absolutely 100% the scapegoats for the IFA fiasco. EVERYBODY cheats in that playing field, as evident with the Red Sox punishment and the “mysteriously swept under the rug” LAD international investigation. Braves probably should’ve cooled it after the Boston sanctions, but they didn’t and they got punished. As you said, the only thing that bugs me with the Astros is their claim to innocence. Just nut up and acknowledge you cheated. These last two seasons prove you guys aren’t successful solely based on the cans.
all in the suit that you wear
MLB found no evidence of illegal sign stealing after investigating the 2018 Red Sox for months. I recommend people read the original accusation article by The Athletic and then read MLB’s investigation report. You will be shocked to see that MLB admitted they “largely do not have direct evidence” of illegal sign stealing. MLB found no evidence after months of investigation and made “inferences” (which are guesses) to conclude the Red Sox cheated. Nothing in The Athletic’s article was confirmed. Don’t take my word for it. Read for yourself. I can only guess that MLB chose to reach a conclusion based on speculation so they wouldn’t look dumb for opening the investigation.
Dumpster Divin Theo
Twisting themselves into pretzels to justify/bargain/rationalize, these Astro fans are! Humina, humina, humina, awooga!
rhswanzey
I will be interested in learning if this cropped up during the start on three days rest, or if it was something more of the nagging variety.
CoachBlake
He didn’t start on three days rest. He was on full rest but the start got moved up a day with the rainout and it altered his between start routine. I would say it definitely had something to do with his injury.
Buzz Saw
Every team cheats. Only the bad cheaters get caught. I think this series is going seven games. I’d like to see Houston win but I think it will be the Braves in 7. Just glad no Yankees or Dodgers 🙂
tstats
Go cry in poor some more
LordD99
Looking forward to a great World Series before the long baseball-less winter arrives. Either the Braves will have their first World Series championship of this century, or the Astros will have their first (legitimate) one ever.
Dorothy_Mantooth
Unfortunately, it could be a baseball-less Spring as well if they can’t come to an agreement on a new CBA. It would be horrible if the players strike or the owners lock them out, but it also wouldn’t surprise me if it happened. The greed on both sides of the table is absolutely ridiculous. Another work stoppage would do serious damage to the game but I’m not naive enough to think it will kill baseball. Fans will come back whenever they are ready to play.
Yankeesniper
in other injury news regarding the Astros, the clubhouse garbage can sustained a dent the other day, but the Astros report that the can should be ready to use by game one.
coupofthecentury
Resentment from a Yankee fan is always the strongest.
Thomas Walker
Crappy news for Lance. Gotta be tough to work your balls off all year, and then have to watch the most important games. Loved his attitude though. Said he would help the team however he could. Watch videos, help with scouting reports. Be a good cheerleader. Sounds like an awesome teammate.
Dorothy_Mantooth
If Houston wins it all, I wonder if that will result in enough extra revenue and/or extra confidence from ownership to make a legitimate attempt to re-sign Correa? I don’t think they have much of an issue with the AAV he is asking for, but they have an issue with the term. Committing 9+ years at $30M+ per year is a hard pill to swallow for any owner and rarely proves to be the right decision for the organization in the long run. The players know this too; otherwise they would go year to year and maximize their AAV, but they know one bad year, or a couple of years declining skills due to age makes it impossible to earn more over that same period via short term deals because their performance will eventually slip.
I highly doubt this would ever happen but I’d love to see baseball only fully guarantee the first 5 years of a long term contract. The remaining X-years could be bought out by the owners at a discounted rate, AND every player would get an automatic opt out clause after year 5 in case they are over-performing their contract and want to seek more money. Another trade off here would have to be earlier free agency for players. It’s extremely rare for a player to reach free agency by age 26-27; most of the better players don’t get there until age 29-30 so they have 1 chance to cash in and I don’t blame them for trying to maximize length and AAV after having their service time manipulated. To really balance out this game, players need to reach free agency sooner and owners need to be able to get some relief on the back half of bad contracts.
Strosfn79
Players are stuck in indentured servitude for 6 years.
Owners spin this saying “Once you pay your dues you will earn what you are worth based on how you did those years”
Then try the best they can to not pay after the prime.
Players must push for longer deals where they are paid more than they are worth because they were playing for so much less than their value for much of their prime.
Correa has made the Astros and Jim Crane tens of millions if not over 100 million more than he has been paid the last 6 years.
Come on Crane you can afford 10 years and $300 million to keep him.
Even if he is only a star for 4 years, league average for 4 more and below average the last 2 you have made BANK off of Carlos Correa.
brucenewton
Braves in 5 or 6.