Mets ace Jacob deGrom spoke with reporters today, including Tim Healey of Newsday Sports, about his mounting injury woes. He said that his recent elbow inflammation is a separate issue to the forearm tightness that initially landed him on the IL. That forearm tightness caused deGrom to be sidelined on July 18th. A week later, it was reported that he threw off a mound without issues. But a report a few days later revealed the unfortunate development that his rehab would have to be halted for two weeks.
At this point, deGrom seems to think he can come back but doesn’t seem to be overflowing with confidence. When asked if he could miss the remainder of the season, “I would say no, not right now,” he said. “It depends on hopefully the next image of the inflammation.” Before getting injured, deGrom was pitching even better than his own absurdly-high standards, with a microscopic ERA of 1.08 over 92 innings, coupled with outstanding strikeout and walk rates of 45.1% and 3.4%, respectively. The health of deGrom figures to be an extremely important detail in the NL East stretch run, as the Mets are now just 1 1/2 games ahead of the Phillies and 2 1/2 ahead of Atlanta.
More news from around the NL East…
- Travis d’Arnaud is apparently back to full health and rehabbing, according to Mark Bowman of MLB.com. d’Arnaud has been out of action for more than three months now, after tearing a ligament in his thumb back in early May. Bowman says that his thumb is now fine and that the catcher’s rehab is “just a matter of getting conditioned to play.” A healthy and productive d’Arnaud is potentially a game-changing addition for Atlanta in the upcoming pennant race. Although he had a slow start to this season before getting hurt, his 2020 was superb, slashing .321/.386/.533, for a wRC+ of 144 and 1.6 fWAR in just 44 games. Currently, Atlanta is giving time behind the dish to Stephen Vogt and Kevan Smith, neither of whom are providing much value.
- Bowman also relays that Ian Anderson will begin a rehab assignment on Thursday. Anderson went on the IL a few weeks ago with shoulder inflammation. Before getting hurt, he was putting together a solid season. Over 96 innings, he had an era of 3.56, producing 1.9 fWAR, which is second only to Charlie Morton among Atlanta pitchers.
You’re crazy if you think Stephen Vogt hasn’t provided much value.
He has my Vogt to be backup C when Travis comes back.
You’re crazy if you think he has.
He’s played 10 games for them and is currently slugging .229. He’s provided almost no value.
and then you compare him to Kevan Smith
Sorry, but Kevan Smith has had more value. The offense gained by Vogt does not equal the difference in CERA.
Smith – 2.90
Vogt – 3.81
Now, it could just be a mirage, as the career numbers do not back up what Smith has done with the Braves. That being said, Smith has played for a bunch of teams with sub-par pitching and Vogt has been on mostly top half of the league ERA teams. There are obviously a bazillion factors that could go into it, so it’s not as easy to measure as slugging percentage, but does it really matter when Vogt isn’t slugging well either?
To me, I would take the fact the team has pitched to almost a full run better per 9 innings over what amounts to .068 more bases every game (.212 vs .229 = 17 more bases over 1000 ab’s).
Provided a ton of help
Mets are giving shades of ‘07…….
I don’t think it’s fair to compare because the Mets have been mediocre all season. That wasn’t the case in 2007, they were really good for awhile there. This year they don’t have a significant winning streak. Not one. Secondly, in 2007 they didn’t lose all these key players to injury. This year as been a massacre for the Mets and Braves in particular.
@VonPurpleHayes
Every NL East team has had to deal with a lot of significant injuries. It hasn’t just been the Mets and Braves.
@Marlins Absolutely. I call out the Mets and Braves because I think their injuries have been excessive, but every team dealt with significant injuries for sure.
Lol. Please don’t compare marlins and Philly injuries to Mets injuries ever again
Yes, all teams (including those in the NL East) are dealing w injuries, but the Mets have accumulated more “lost games” than anyone in the NL East (by a lot) and are in the top 5 in the majors in total lost games.
So them having to use 58 players has nothing with them being mediocre all year??? Cmon man…
@MetsFan22 Injuries are of course a huge part of it. I never said otherwise, but you have to admit, that some of the guys you love are just not all that great. You’ve compared Conforto to Bryce Harper. You called them extremely close. Please look at the stats side by side. They aren’t close. Harper is a legitimate MVP candidate. Conforto is not. You called the Mets top 3 the best in baseball. No one would argue against deGrom. He’s the best, although his season (and possibly career) is in serious jeopardy. But let’s talk about Walker. I claimed that I don’t love Walker as a number 3. He had a tremendous first half so I ate some crow, but he’s regressed to himself. It’s quite possible that he has nothing left in the tank for this season. I won’t bring up Lindor. No one saw that coming and had he not gotten hurt, he may have bounced back. Dom Smith? 0.5 war. Not exactly the second-coming of Babe Ruth you claimed. I can go on.
Injuries to the Mets are huge. No denying it. 58 players is rough. But it doesn’t excuse poor play by the guys who aren’t injured. The Mets are not what you thought they were and they never will be, although I fully expect them to have a different roster next year. Also, they can definitely win the division still. I’m not claiming otherwise.
The Mets are a top 3 team. Conforto and Harper were really close before the year started. They aren’t anymore harper has separate himself… the Mets also play in the worst stadium for hitting and the Phillies play in one of the best. Why do you think when team come over they hit worst too. When we make it far this year I hope you come back to your last statemen…. Walker is also better than Eflin. What is happening to him is that he hasn’t pitched this many innings in al inf time.. but he is definitely better than Eflin.. (Ealiee this year you said he wasn’t…)
@MetsFan22
When the Marlins and Mets played their first series this year, the Mets were healthy. They were clearly not as good as you think they are. They were closer to what the rest of us saw them as.
No excuses. You just need to stop already with the excuses.
And everyone in this division has suffered significant injuries this year. The difference is that you Mets fans just whine about yours as an excuse because you all feel stupid for the constant boasting that your fan base always does, so you all need an out after reality always hits. How about this for a concept…stop talking about how great your team is until they actually show something. The Mets are not that good…period. You have some star talent that is proven, but your roster is top-heavy. The rest of your roster after the top guys (deGrom and Lindor) are flawed players. The majority of them are overrated by the NY-based national media and your fan base. The Mets always prove this and for some reason, you all still don’t realize that you need to stop drinking the Kool-aid that your team’s PR Machine dishes out.
Just love your team; watch the games; and then life will be happy no matter how you do…and you won’t feel the shame and stress from poor seasons that leads you all to making excuses and calling for heads to roll.
Lol I laugh at your responses. Mets losses to a team worst than them in a series earlier in the year doesn’t prove anything…..
An the Mets have had th he worst injurie…. If they got injured at rate of the marlins this year they’ll be cake walking through the division.. but good luck. I here Bleday isn’t doing too good. I don’t know where you’ll get your offense from. Lol
The NL West says the same thing about their games against the Mets. So there goes that argument.
So, what does the Mets losing this series mean?
Uh, Bleday is not our only prospect. If you’ve paid attention to other teams, you would know this. But of course, you’re the same person that a couple of years bashed all of our prospects when I stated to watch what we have coming…then you had to amend your statements to accept that we have good young pitching. Guess what’s next. Like I said before, and I’ll say it again now….you’ll see what we have going forward. Tighten up the belt, because we’ve already shown that we can beat your Mets head-to-head.
@MetsFan22 by that logic we should ignore the Mets pitching stats because they have a good pitching stadium? Come on buddy. It’s significantly easier to get a double in Citifield than it is at Citizens Bank. Citizens Bank is a bandbox for homeruns, but not for extra base hits. The Mets don’t hit with RISP anywhere. Home or away. And they’re a bad road team. So I’m going to ignore this ridiculous statement completely.
As for Walker and Eflin, I said I preferred Eflin based on last year. Eflin was regressed this year so I was wrong so far, but Walker has looked terrible. If Eflin bounces back strong, my original statement may be right. But I already gave this one to you elsewhere.
Conforto has never been anywhere near as good as Harper. My goodness, Harper haters love to ignore the stats. The guy is consistently good.
What about Dom Smith? What’s the excuse for him? Didn’t catch that one yet. The bullpen? McCann? Pederson before his injury? These are all guys you claimed were All Star caliber.
Yes the Mets pitchers are getting helped a lot by their stadium…..
I never said pederson was allstar caliber. The bullpen still had nice pieces and Dom would have a 800 ops in pnc park….
Not even remotely the same situation.
Big DIFFERENCE THEN ..
They Were HEALTHY & Blew That One
This Year they’ve Used 58 players
One of the greatest MLB troll videos was the compilation of all the ‘07 Mets’ players and Willy Randolph crying after they blew the division with REM’s ‘Everybody Hurts’ playing under it.
Gonna head that link
Mets have mostly been irrelevant since the 80’s. To me it is one massive blur since then. Fortunately I grew up with the ’69 Team and returned to NYC for the 80’s so Life has been simply marvelous.
They’ve been in the world series in the last 10 years, I wouldn’t say they have been irrelevant. Maybe highly inconsistent but you haven’t been able to completely ignore them.
This is true. They lost to the Yankees in 2000 and the KC Royals in 2015 but outside of those appearances it’s been mostly futility except for 2006 but that was a major choke to the Cardinals.
People keep mentioning 2007, but forget that they choked away 2008 as well and became the only team to blow two leads in back to back years and be eliminated by the same team on the final day of the season in both years.
Just curious, how much weight do you put to the idea that the Mets absurd celebrating (Reyes and crew) woke up and motivated the Marlins, who had nothing to play for, to beat the Mets and complete their collapse. Do you remember that?
@Cosmo2 Absolutely. That Mets team was very unliked within the division, and the Marlins really wanted to crush them. I think the taunting and celebration was definitely a motivating factor for the Fish.
@Cosmo2
As a Marlins fan, I give it a great deal of weight because it was reported down here. After that 13-0 blowout on September 28, 2007 in which Lastings Milledge ran around the bases celebrating HRs like the Mets won the World Series, and then Jose Reyes’ bravado from behind the Mets 3B Coach, the Marlins made it clear that they had enough of Reyes’ antics and the Mets on-the-field celebrations during that era. That was found to be disrespectful to all of the NL East teams. After that game, multiple Marlins players – Hanley Ramirez, Dan Uggla, Cody Ross, Wes Helms, and Miggy Cabrera being among the many – made it clear that the Mets were not making the playoffs if the Marlins had anything to say about it. Hanley even went as far as saying something along the lines of that he didn’t even care if he had to play with two broken legs, he was going out to play to burn the Mets. Everyone saw what happened the next day
Then, in 2008, the Marlins were echoing the same things after they were officially out of the Wild Card hunt (remember they had a surprise run for a while that year). And there was some unified effort with the Nationals, as you Mets fans remember, Lastings Milledge got the Nats fired up because he was bitter that Minaya blamed Milledge for what the Marlins did in 2007 and tradecd him to the Nats, but Minaya didn’t say anything about Reyes, despite the Marlins specifically naming Reyes as their motivator. Then, in 2008, after the Nats did there thing, and the Marlins followed through, we all saw that after the final 2008 game was over, the Marlins players and coaching staff celebrated on the Mets infield for a while, which forced the Mets to wait to begin their closing of Shea Stadium ceremony. The Marlins didn’t leave the field until your Mets fans started yelling to get off of the field, and started calling the Marlins classless for doing that. It didn’t stop there. The Marlins had many comments in the locker room after that, but the signature moment was Wes Helms, after hitting the big HR in that last game, stating something along the lines, with a smirk on his face, “We weren’t trying to show up the Mets or show poor sportsmanship. That’s a classless move. We’re not one of those teams with classless players that celebrate on the field to show up their opponents…” Those statements were covered a lot down here. Wes Helms was cheered for those statements. I never forgot them.
So yes, it was Reyes and the Dance Fever crew that motivated the Marlins players for both years. I remember Mike Lupica and Adam Rubin even asking the Marlins players about it. it was a very enjoyable pair of season endings after not being a playoff team.
And to understand how deep it ran with Reyes and our fan base, when the Marlins signed him, even for that one year with us and him playing well, he was never embraced by a lot of our fan base. A lot of us were happy to see him go and enjoyed hearing about his troubles in the Blue Jays locker room.
Thanks for the perspective. Even as a Met fan their behavior back then really irked me. Kinda felt like they deserved to collapse.
@Cosmo2
Yeah, I can imagine. That whole thing that Minaya ran with was embarrassing for many of you Mets fans that have been there through thick and thin. I remember that was only the casual, fair-weather baseball fans that were into that Minaya/Reyes garbage. For what it’s worth, I was embarrassed as a Latino in how disgracefully Minaya ran the Mets…from blaming Milledge for Reyes’ BS…the Tony Bernazard situation and the press conference quips at Adam Rubin….the mishandling of the Willie Randolph termination, and all of the behind the scenes back-stabbing from Minaya, Jerry Manuel, and some of their favorite players that led to that…etc. etc. etc.
That era of Mets baseball gave us division rivals many reasons to hate the Mets. And it didn’t make things better when E!SPN and FOX Sports would force them down our throats…and they always made sure that Reyes had easy access to a dugout camera.
Imagine Reyes on the same team as Stroman, Lindor, and Baez.
Sheesh….the Mets would have to buy more cameras and mirrors.
@Cosmo2 It’s interesting because now it’s just part of baseball. Every team celebrates like that these days. Back then it was frowned upon. That same exact Mets team probably would’ve been beloved in this era. But back then every non-Mets fan hated that crew.
@VonPurpleHayes
I guess that makes us the old ‘get off my lawn’ guys now.
For what it’s worth, Reyes would still be hated…but for other reasons now. Complete d-bag all the way through. Too bad MLB didn’t do more to catch all of Anthony Galea’s clients. But then again, if MLB did that, Daddy Tatis would have been finally caught too, so Jr. Tatis would have been playing under that shadow. 6 degrees of Jose Reyes.
Yea I’ve had the “get off my lawn” thing thrown in my face quite a bit.
VonPurple: yea, for sure. I don’t mind genuine, spontaneous displays of excitement or playing with a bit of style (there’s a reason Tony Pena and Joaquin Andujar were two of my childhood favorites) but in my opinion it can be and does get taken too far. Without the spontaneity it strikes me as unsportsmanlike and the occasional fight breaking out on the field shows that some players feel that way too.
Yea. I’ve come around on all the let the kids play stuff,but it’s going to lead to fights as you pointed out. If we’re okay with bat flips we have to be okay about pitchers celebrating Ks.
@Cosmo2 and @ VonPurpleHayes
Yes, I agree. As we saw that thing with Baez taking issue with Bleier celebrating a big out last night. When that happened, I was among those thinking, “Really? Baez, you’re really upset at a pitcher for celebrating success? You Baez of all people?” It was about as laughable as when Jose Reyes and Yoenis Cespedes were trying to advise Yasiel Puig that one time about not celebrating.
With the letting the kids play, I have adjusted, but I still have to go with the good ole thought of “if you can’t take, don’t do it.” I imagine that is gonna lead to some more of the fighting issues too as we saw last night.
I was laughing my ass off when he hit that Hr last night.
Sadly, i was laughing too when Baez hit the HR, but I was already laughing the second Anthony Bass was warming up. I was thinking that there is now way that Rowson is stupid enough to bring Bass into a tie game. When I saw Bass on the mound leaving the puddle of urine, I couldn’t help start laughing. I’m sure many Marlins fans were laughing because we knew what was going to happen.
As for the chirping from Baez after the HR, I called it about Bass blowing it and what happened the previous night between Baez and Bleier would continue. And it ain’t over.
And in a related issue, if I was the Marlins when Baez was chirping, the conversation would’ve went like this.
Baez: “Keep talkin’ s—! Now it’s my turn!”
Bleier: “You didn’t do it off of me.”
Marlins players: “Yeah Javi, don’t act like you’re special! Everyone hits Bass!”
Well, the chirping giveth and the chirping taketh away.
5 Ks! Apparently Baez got a K for every word spoken last night.
@MetsFan22, are you laughing today?
I wonder if Keith Hernandez is still saying that Baez is an “all or nothing guy” like he said the last series the Mets had against the Cubs before Baez was traded to the Mets?
Two things need to happen:
1. Smith needs to be released
2. AA needs to be fired
I actually agree with you for the most part
The Braves are stuck with AA since letting him go means LM has to now spend time on the Braves and looking for a replacement which we all know they don’t care about the Braves enough to do it.
We will be hearing more of AA now-famous lines, “We were looking for X, Y, Z but the price ended up too high.”
When it makes sense he will pull the trigger he’s done it in the past and will do it again. Made zero sense to to all in this year. The moves he made keep them in contention. If he resigns Freddie we have no reason to believe he won’t go all in this offseason with plenty of money and prospect capital to spend.
deGrom and the Mets are done in 2021. There’s always next year.
If Degrom needs TJS, 22 not looking good either
It’s Ok I enjoyed watching Tom Seaver & Nolan Ryan the two Greatest WS Champs and HOFers Mets pitchers and I got to watch Doc Gooden and David Cone in the 80’s. I’m good
Nolan Ryan was not a great Mets pitcher or some sort of Mets legend. John Maine was a better Met. I hate when Mets fans try and claim Nolan or Willie Mays. Stop being delusional.
That is true, I started watching the Mets in 1970 at age 8. I remember Seaver, but not Ryan at all.
Nolan Ryan won the WS with the Mets in 1969. He earned the Save in Game # 3 after earning the Win in Game # 3 vs. the Braves clinching the pennant. He was in the rotation for the Mets having arrived with Tom Seaver and he holds Mets pitching records. He was must watch TV and was known as the Ryan Express.
You’re a fake. You didn’t see Nolan ryan. Stop trolling.
Koos,
I assume that you are talking to dugmet who can’t be talking truth as Ryan was with the team through 1971.
LOL…… no one is that division will catch the Mets
Wanna bet? The Mets can’t beat anyone right now. Nice 5 strikeout performance from Baez yesterday.
Direct quote from Metsfan22- LOL…… no one is that division will catch the Mets
This aged well. Dude seriously needs a reality check.
The NL East is a spin of the roulette wheel, Mets Braves and Phillies all still have a chance, don’t call the Mets out of it yet.
Right. The Mets are reeling, but if they win the next series against the Phillies, they’re right back on top and the Phillies can drop to 3rd. This is going to go down to the final stretch of the season. Say what you will about this mediocre division; at least it exciting. 1 or 2 hot streaks by any of the 3 teams is all it’s going to take to win the NLE.
The NL East is like a group of drunken sailors. Who will be the last one standing?
A bunch of drunken sailors who have already been beaten up in brawls a few times before walking into the street of oncoming traffic…while they all pick a fight with each other.
The reality of the race in the east being as exciting is because they likely have no options for wild cards pending the wheels falling off in the west which is where the amazing race will be. Not saying excitement isn’t their for the NL east I know if I were one of those teams fans I would be excited to know my team has hopes of the division title. I’m just stating that the extra pressure by the NL west teams occupying both wild cards is what is increasing the excitement in the east and applying pressure to the Mets, Phillies, Braves. I’m all for meaningful baseball and can’t remember a stretch run quite like this before! Super fun for a lot of the leagues fan bases I’m in!
As far as catchers go, I would take defense and having the pitchers trust as being the most important quality to playing. If I get 280 and 25 homers, I got an all star.
What part of mlb history has that not been an Allstar (or at least borderline)? Other than a few super high offensive seasons. Im not sure anyone anywhere would disagree with your point.
I think it was the METSFan… that said on here something a month or so ago like “when we get healthy we’re going to runaway with the division.” Lolz. I muted him right at then and there.
Oh yeah, he was loud and obnoxious all off-season after the Mets made their moves, and has been ever since about how the Mets are by far the best team in the East…
When healthy, the Braves are the best team in the East, and honestly it really isn’t all THAT close.
If the Braves had Soroka, Fried, Anderson, Morton, and Muller good luck, and then with Acuña Jr., Freddie, Albies, d’Arnaud, Riley, Joc, Soler, Swanson, and that wouldn’t even be including Ozuna, nor a bench of Duvall, Pache, Contreras, Adrianza, Rosario, etc..
Add in a bullpen of Rodriguez, Smith, Matzek, Martin, Jackson, Minter, Chavez, Greene, Touki, Ynoa, Davidson, etc. etc. They would be STACKED!!!
Injuries happen, and they’re part of the game, but even with the Braves EXTREMELY slow start, they are still about to take this division without one of the best all-around players in baseball
I want what you’re smoking. Half those players wouldn’t have got traded for if we were healthy. Muller would not be in the majors and neither would Davidson or Touki. And they damn sure wouldn’t be in the bullpen
bf88,
And if your aunt had a twig and berries she’d be your uncle. It’s the old case of woulda, coulda, shoulda.
Right and you have no bias. The Braves pitching staff is garbage.
Mets rotation ERA: 3.44 (5th in MLB) / 3.99 (13th)
Braves rotation ERA: 3.89 (11th) / bullpen: 4.33 (18th)
Mets, even with a historic-condensed season from deGrom & All-Star season from Walker, and they’re much better than ATL. ATL’s offense is so much better than NYM they don’t have to be…and they’re about to get back Ian Anderson, and eventually, Ynoa/Davidson. NYM’s rotation is top-heavy but weighed down heavily by how bad their 4-5 pitchers have been (though they may have found something in Tylor Magill).
If ATL’s rotation is garbage, it’s garbage from a 4-star restaurant with a new executive chef.
MetsFan is a fool, no doubt. But he said ‘when we get healthy’ and I certainly wouldn’t classify the Mets as healthy right now. The bulk of this article, for instance, is about how their ace is injured.
@rct
But if the excuse is that the Mets are not healthy, then how would this be different if all of the NL East teams were healthy? We’ve all had significant injuries in bulk. The only difference, the Mets fans are the only ones using it as an excuse.
Ik that if all teams were health marlins would still be in dumpster this and next year. Lol
You are way downplaying the Mets’ injuries. It’s been very unusual. I don’t use the injuries as an excuse, I look at it like slumping or declining players, it’s part of the game and you are what your record says you are, but the injuries to the Mets have been particularly significant.
@MarlinsFanBase: Only MetsFan22 uses it as an excuse and like I said, he is a fool. But if you talk facts, the Mets have had a crazy number of injuries this year and only the Braves in the NL East rival the number of significant injuries they’ve had. This is just a fact, not an excuse.
Just for starters, 2/5 of the rotation (Carrasco and Syndergaard) have thrown a grand total of 4 innings this year. If you want to throw in deGrom, that’s around 100 total innings for 3/5 of the rotation and we’re in August.
‘When we get healthy’ is just not a realistic option for any team. There’s not a magically get healthy button. Players are always getting hurt, and the Mets ironically were playing a bit better when the replacements were starting. Nimmo is the big exception in my mind. He’s the catalyst of this offense, and needs to be in that lineup in order for the Mets to succeed.
It’s funny because the Mets biggest injury-related problems are all pitching right now, but the team is losing because they can’t hit. That has nothing to do with injuries. That’s a fundamental problem with the Mets for the last few years. They cannot drive in runs.
We aren’t healthy…. So your comment makes no sense
No team in the NL EAST is really healthy. They have all had SIGNIFICANT & multiple injuries. This season is going to come down to who wins the battle of attrition. Which team wins 2 of 3 or if one will somehow win 3 of 4 instead of a 2-2 split during a 4 game series. Of course I’m talking about head-head. Also if they can pick up a game like when the fish beat the Mets AND Atl beat Stl last night.
Mets play a 13 game stretch against only the Giants and Dodgers….they’ll get their chance to prove if they belong
Trust me, we don’t. If we win 3 of those games ill be impressed lol
If we score three runs total, I will be impressed.
I saw Ian Anderson on his rehab stint. He was sitting on the bench & had snot running down is nose.
@gray. Wow. You must’ve had the best seats to see that…..
@gray – well played….some of the young’uns on here won’t get it but thumbs up for making my morning
Heh, yea, I saw him at pier 88 back in ‘85
And don’t get me started about his greasy fingers and shabby uniform…
aqua lung
The last thing I’ll say on this matter is I hope his next away start isn’t uneasy. Poor old sot…
MetsFan22 has been awfully quiet as of late. Must be busy coming up with a list of excuses for the Mets.
Yep. He disappeared last year too, only to pop up after I called him out a few times and the Mets had a short-lived winning streak.
When I and a couple of others pointed out that the Mets hadn’t looked impressive against the Marlins head to head, this was the latest prediction we heard on this board:
“So the Marlins are 3-2 against the Mets. The Mets will be 5-3 against the Marlins after their next series against each other.”
– @MetsFan22
The Mets don’t match up well against the Marlins who can pitch very well while the Mets can’t hit. This is especially true in the new Ballpark where OF defense is important and the Mets HRs become long fly ball outs.
Marlins starting rotation has done well & is underrated. I think their ERA this season against the Mets is under 2.00.
The Mets have a way of making no name pitchers CY candidates.
@Bill M
Yes, the Marlins have good SPs. That’s one of the many reasons that the Marlins are a bad matchup for the Mets. Related to that, with the Marlins SPs, they always match up when deGrom is pitching, so the Marlins seem to have found a way to win some of those games, even when deGrom pitches well.
@Robrock30
Yes, one of the things I’ve noticed is that the Marlins are a tough matchup for the Mets, but for multiple reasons. It’s mainly the structure of the Marlins team and their style of play. It exposes a lot of the Mets weaknesses. Even the Marlins flaws aren’t affected much by the Mets – for example, the Marlins putrid bullpen which always blows leads, but the Mets bad situational hitting doesn’t take advantage much. But a lot of everything else in the construction of both teams makes the Marlins a bad matchup for the Mets.
Marlins fan celebrating winning games like it didn’t happen over the course of 162 games lol.
Hey @MetsFan22, please give us some more predictions. I like your last one.
“So the Marlins are 3-2 against the Mets. The Mets will be 5-3 against the Marlins after their next series against each other.” – @MetsFan22
@MetsFan22
Actually, I like a lot of your predictions.
The only one I’m iffy on is when you stated that deGrom was a lock for the Hall of Fame. Ever since that statement, deGrom started having arms issues beginning with his very next start. I don’t wish career ending stuff to players. Your predictions are like a plague, but you may want to not make statements like that again about any player. Your words seem to have the power to cut careers short.
deGrom’s velocity is up 5mph from 2016 and has trended upward each of the last 5 years. It wouldn’t surprise me if deGrom is just breaking down from throwing harder than his arm can handle it.
Bullpen help in Kintzler, great ground ball rate.
A lot of comments here about what a poor division the NL East is. In 98 games against the NL West they are 49-49. Only 36 of those 98 games are against AZ and CO. The Giants and Dodgers are the only NLW teams with a winning record against the NLE. The NL East also has a winning record against the NL Central. Just because a division doesn’t have standout teams doesn’t mean it’s weak.
Nah, it’s a pretty weak division.
I think instead of weak, we could use the term underperforming. Phillies seem to have picked it up a bit, but they’ve also proven to not be consistent. Braves have been .500ish all year. So they have consistency, but can they go on a run? They certainly have the pieces to do so, but it’s win 1, lose 1 all year. The Mets have a tough schedule ahead, but sometimes that brings a team together. They have not had a hotstreak all year, and they lost the best stopper in baseball.
Long story short, will any team hit their potential at the end of the season? Seems unlikely for the injured Mets. Everyone seems to think the Braves can do it. Do the Phillies have enough to go on a streak? Dunno.
Phillies are looking good right now. Getting Gibson could be huge down the stretch
Ignore the numbers if you want to. I understand that the West teams look better on paper. That said, the sample sizes are small but here’s more ACTUAL DATA:
– The Braves, Mets, and Phillies are a combined 12-12 against the Dodgers, Giants, and Padres.
– If you put those six teams into a single division and created standings based only on their games against each other, here’s how they rank:
NYM (20-16)
SFG (17-24)
SDP (16-15)
ATL (18-19)
PHI (19-22)
LAD (14-18)
Maybe, just maybe, some of the NL West greatness is due to all those games against Arizona and Colorado. Fun stuff!
Sorry! Typo! SF is 17-14.
And if the Mets were in the NL West they would be in 4th place, 5 1/2 games behind the 3rd place team and 11 games behind the leaders.
And if the Mets had to play the Marlins for every game so far, they very likely are on the clock for the 2022 MLB Draft.
@Hudson: No, if the Mets were in the West they would have a much better record because they would have more games against AZ and CO, against whom they are a combined 10-3. Playing those teams is why SF, LA, and SD have such high winning percentages. SF is 16-5 against them. LA is 21-5 against them. By comparison, the Mets are 5-10 against the two bottom teams in their division (Miami and Wash). If the Mets had played AZ and CO instead of MIA and WA those 15 games, their record would look more like the top teams’ in the West. I am NOT a Mets fan, and I think the Giants and Dodgers are probably the two best teams in the league, but it’s a mistake to think a COMPETITIVE division like the NL East is a WEAK division. It’s not.
@MarlinsFan: And it’s not just the Mets. SF and LA are a combined 7-7 against the Marlins. I will NOT go as far as to say the worst team in the East is as good as the top teams in the West, but the evidence shows that playing in the East is much more challenging than playing in the West because every team in the East is competitive.
So the Mets can’t beat crappy teams but does pretty well against good teams? Why do you think that is? It’s called luck. I’m sure every NL West team has certain crappy teams like the Mets who beat them up a little and have great teams who they destroy. Do you know what ultimately tells the tale? Your overall record.
Mets will slide off into 3rd before it’s over.
Especially with 13 games straight against the Dodgers and Giants and I am a long time Mets fan; 3rd place it will be
@Cano: We’ll see. I’m no Mets fan, but they are 4-3 against the Padres. The data tells me the NL East may be more competitive than people think, so we’ll see how those 13 games play out.
@WouldSettleForWildcard Keep in mind the Mets and Phillies beat a very injured Padres team. Of course the Mets and Phillies were injured too.
@Von: Agreed. I wouldn’t even disagree with anyone who says the Giants, Dodgers, and Padres are the best three teams in the NL. I just struggle to listen to people bashing the East when the actual win/lost records between divisions tells a much more competitive story.
@WouldSettleForWildcard Yes. These are interesting metrics. And to your point, there’s not one team in the NLE as bad as the Rockie or Diamondbacks.
Please never compare either teams injures to the Mets ever again lol. Ok .
Agreed…The Braves will take over the Div lead soon but can they hold it. PHI should win the division and I’m a Braves fan. I just don’t trust the pen. Especially one with Luke Jackson in it. Haven’t been able to watch allot of games this season but the one I did turn on. Luke Jackson was getting the call and the Braves were up 4-1 I believe and I looked at the wife and calmly stated tie game coming up. He went ahead and walked a guy and gave up a hit but he got out of it with no runs. SHOCKED the hell out of me
With a 3 run lead against the crap marlins the mets are going to lose again and then lose 1st place conforto should be DFA and why Rojas takes out loup to put in famila is beyond thought our best reliever is taken out this team can’t hit or score Cohen chop this lame group up this team sucks
Chop this lame paragraph up
I’m just once again going point out the sheer absurdity of suggesting Conforto be released. That’s pure “long time listener, first time caller” crap.
Kevan smith is a joke