Franchise icon Yadier Molina is hoping to work out a contract extension with the Cardinals that keeps him in St. Louis for 2022, he tells Derrick Goold of the St. Louis Post-Dispatch. Molina’s representatives at MDR Sports Management are expected to be in contact with the team relatively soon, Goold reports.
Molina, who is scheduled to reach free agency at the end of the season, tells Goold he’s hoping to play one more year with the Cardinals. The 39-year-old didn’t explicitly say he’d only play for St. Louis, although he did note he considered retirement last offseason amidst some uncertainty about his future with the organization. Molina remained on the open market until early February, fielding some offers from other clubs before returning to the Cardinals on a one-year, $9MM deal. He’s clearly hoping to avoid duplicating that scenario, calling his free agent stay “a tough time” and saying it would be “awesome … to get something done early” this time around.
It seems likely the Cardinals would have interest in brining Molina back. He’s the longest-tenured active MLB player with his current team, having debuted with the Cardinals in June 2004. Molina’s one of the greatest players in franchise history and looks likely to wind up in the Hall of Fame. As with starting pitcher Adam Wainwright, who re-signed for a sixteenth season with St. Louis last offseason, Molina has earned himself a sort of legendary status in the organization. That no doubt plays into the front office’s willingness to keep bringing Molina back, but that’s not to diminish his continued on-field contributions.
Obviously, the ten-time All-Star is no longer the caliber of player he was at his peak. Molina has remained reasonably productive, though, even at his advanced age. The right-handed hitter has put up a .254/.295/.381 line with eight home runs in 319 plate appearances this season, not far off the league average .227/.307/.390 mark for catchers around the league. Despite some nagging health concerns, he’s started 80 of the club’s 107 games behind the plate and ranks sixth leaguewide in plate appearances as a catcher.
It’s a similar story behind the plate. Molina has long been regarded as the sport’s preeminent defensive catcher. Pitch framing metrics suggest he’s now closer to average in that regard, but Molina has cut down a whopping 42.1% of attempted base stealers. By measure of Defensive Runs Saved, he’s been estimated as three runs above average — before accounting for his long-lauded but unquantifiable game calling and leadership acumen.
Should Molina ultimately re-sign, he’d figure to again assume the lion’s share of playing time behind the plate. The Cardinals have Andrew Knizner and Ali Sánchez on the 40-man roster as potential backup options. Top prospect Iván Herrera is also on the 40-man and has picked up his first extended playing time at Double-A this season. Herrera could be a factor at some point in 2022 but he’s been more decent than great in the minors this year (.221/.351/.361 over 302 plate appearances). The organization could prefer to give Herrera, who turned 21 in June, extended playing time at Triple-A Memphis next season before breaking him into the majors later in the year in hopes of his assuming the #1 job by 2023.
Regardless of the long-term succession plan, it seems there’ll be mutual interest between the Cardinals and Molina in moving relatively quickly on an extension to avoid a repeat of last winter’s stalemate. Getting a deal done this summer would solidify the Cards’ catching situation for 2022 while guaranteeing a beloved player returns for his nineteenth — and likely final — season in St. Louis.
stretch123
He’s a backup C at this point.
Curly Was The Smart Stooge
Don’t tell him that!
beerncheese
Great player and leader.
When it was a game.
Player yes leader no. He would have my hall vote but through the press always seemed very selfish. I have said this before just because your a vet does not make a leader or mentor.
cards81
@lee Mazzini…I guess you know he’s not a leader because you are in the dugout and locker room for the Cardinals?
When it was a game.
That is why i said through the press.
BaseballGuy1
Was a great player, in his day. That day has passed him by.
Rsox
Given how bad the Catcher position has been for a lot of teams this year his slash line is not bad. He’s still better than Knizer and Herrera is still at least a year away
cards81
Lol back up catcher? I guess you should be reminded he made the all-star team this year lol…people who don’t know baseball need to stop posting
Poopoocaacaa
You do know that all star voting is based on fan voting, right? It’s not based on stats or value to a team.
Putmeincoach12
@Poop. – You do know that only the starters are voted by fans, players, and press.
All star selections like that of Molina has nothing to do with the fans. Manager and players.
revolver
Lol. ** asterisk city***
BaseballGuy1
He made the All Star team because other catchers were hurt and could not so it dropped to him. He is not and has not been an All Star catcher for several years.
cards81
Lol Baseballguy…that is actually not what happened…he was voted in and he didn’t want to go so he he dropped it to other players but good try..and yes I’ve was voted in by fans but honestly he deserved it and the fans recognized it…go ahead @revolver prove with stats he didn’t deserve it
revolver
Lol. Typical cardinal delusion.
When it was a game.
Please an all star. You must live under a rock if you dont know that a popularity contest and for players coming to the end of there careers. He was no all star this year.
cards81
Yes he was… he was tearing it up in the first half…you obviously don’t watch the cardinals or keep up with baseball
When it was a game.
Can I get a link to these tear up numbers prior to the break. I must be looking at another baseball reference.
cards81
Sure go to MLB.com…or google it…welcome to the future and the internet…so go ahead and post his first half stats and compare them with other catchers and prove me wrong
When it was a game.
@cards81. No one here doubts he has had a hall of fame career. But it was only earlier this year he said in the press that he wants to play for cards but deserves more money. So if thats not selfish…look it up. He doesnt care about the cards just getting paid or would have signed right away. Other then that he is done his best years are gone. Still good but not great. Didnt he also have an issue in the press that he was the number 1 catcher when carson kelly was close to majors and wouldnt accept backup role. Look it up.
mlb1225
He did not tear it up in the first half. He had a really good April then a .599 OPS between May and June. Still okay defensively, but he’s had a 100+ wRC+ just one time since 2017.
When it was a game.
I did. Ranks 7th among catchers in NL according to mlb.com…your source. Where is tear up?
mlb1225
Yadier Molina’s stats through the Cardinals first 81 games: .254/.303/.418, .309 wOBA, 95 wRC+. Among catchers with at least 200 plate appearances, he ranked 11th in wRC+, 12th in OPS, wOBA, and fWAR.
mlb1225
Also, since the start of May, he ranks last in wRC+, wOBA, OPS, and fWAR among catchers with at least 200 PA’s.
cards81
Now compare those stats to others catcher in the NL and you guys will see why he was an all star
When it was a game.
Mlb1225 just did. Cards81Did you really respond welcome to the future? Bet you were at the top of your class.
cards81
Didn’t see his post…Molina is a top ten catcher still in the game and who are the cardinals going to replace him with that will be better?
When it was a game.
Probably no one. Overall a quality cather is hard to come by. But you got really defensive for really no reason. Just if he wants to stay then sign. Dont go on social media or to media that he wants more money. Never heard ripkin, biggio, jeter or anyone in the final years of their hof careers whine about not getting enough money. His best years are behind him and he wants money for his legacy.
cards81
Right on I agree…sorry I respect Molina so I guess I got triggered
mlb1225
Even in the NL, he isn’t very good. In the first half, he was 7th in wRC+, 8th in wOBA, OPS, and fWAR. At the very least, there were 5 catchers in the NL better than Molina in the first half of 2021. Maybe 7 or 8. Top 10 catcher in the NL, top 15 catcher in all of baseball.
cards81
I don’t disagree with that…he has fallen off I agree…but no one can deny he is a clutch hitter…I watch every game almost even if it hurts right now lol…Molina always seems to rise to the moment…and I do believe that Knizner should get more playing time…but overall why would the Cardinals replace him?
Cap & Crunch
“That Veronica Vaughn !”
Nice moonwalk Cards81 –
I’m off to watch Billy Madison now, you’ve inspired me
Deadguy
Molina still throws out runners like Acuna Jr throwing from his knees people, at 38, I mean other than Ivan Rodriguez who has done that? Molina is one of the best catchers ever will always be, not many do what he has done and still does. Throwing behind batters and nailing runners at first, who knows how many runs he has saved throughout his career just getting outs on the basepaths.
Cap & Crunch
Benito Santiago was the best ever at this
As a kid, I have no idea why, I ran up a huge collection of his baseball cards (In the hundreds)
My brother had a similar odd infatuation with Vince Coleman; Neither one of us liked the Padres or Cardinals ; Good times
Anybody has a free minute to kill youtube Benitos best throws from behind the dish …you’ll be floored
When it was a game.
I have to agree Santiago was better then all of them. Another great cather in that era. Charlie obrian.. My card infatuation was mike aldrete and bobby thigpen. This is part of the reason i am not a major league scout.
Rsox
Tony Pena was the one who probably taught Santiago. Pena could literally be sitting down behind the plate, legs spread on the grass and still pickoff/throw out a runner trying to steal.
Cap & Crunch
Ha, that was the weird thing about baseball cards back then, it wasn’t always the stars you tried to accumulate (They’d cost to much)
Kids developed these weird gravitations towards odd players
I hadn’t thought of Benito in 15 yrs time, I appreciate this thread!
spudchukar
Curly may have been the smarter stooge, but no one can compare to you with comments like the one posted today. The notion that Molina is nothing more than a backup catcher rivals, anti-vaccers, flat earthers, and those who believe the moon landing was a hoax. Please, get a grip!
Joel Peterson
2 years 12 million or so.
Oh. And a 10 year personal service contract too. Just because…….
BaseballGuy1
No thanks. Should not even be signed for 2022 in STL. Past time to move on. No need for a personal service contract.
Joel Peterson
I used to know a baseball guy on the Cards forums. He was an idiot.
Anyways there is no reason to move on. We needed to move on from Fowler, Leake and Cecil. Yadi is fine. This is the kind of thing that gives the organization credibility.
brewfan27
do us a favor and retire
Poopoocaacaa
Overrated
themed
Underrated
Poopoocaacaa
To only the podunks in St.Louis
cards81
Nope just podunks like you Poop
Franco27
Should have moved him and Wainwright at the deadline.
Poopoocaacaa
Who would have taken them at their contract demands? I’ll answer: nobody.
Curly Was The Smart Stooge
No way, Wainwright is coming back, He’s having an excellent year & has 2 complete games this year already.
revolver
BFIB. Gotta love em.
CuddyFox
Both Molina and Wainwright have 10-5 rights and neither probably want to leave St Louis. Also, Molina is on the verge of some milestones, and want to do them with the Cardinals.
Franco27
Rentals to contending teams. Cardinals get prospects back, then re-sign them.
kellin
The trade deadline passed, they’re not getting anything in return for him.
Joel Peterson
No that makes no sense.
Yadi plays for 1 team. 1 team only. Thats it guys trust me.
SalaryCapMyth
Cuddy already answered why that wouldnt work. Molina and Wainwright have 5-10 rights, meaning that can’t be moved without consent. Seeing as they have been very outspoken about staying in St. Louis I don’t see how that could have worked.
Franco27
That’s why the Cardinals continue to suck. They were going nowhere. They are both coming to the end of their careers soon.
SalaryCapMyth
Maybe so, maybe not. They still couldn’t trade them.
Monkey’s Uncle
His play has tailed off but not to the point that he’s a liability… yet. I think the Cards should at least entertain the idea of bringing him back, but I also think that unlike last year they should decide quickly. If they don’t want him back or if he is asking for more than they ideally want to spend, then shake hands and move on before all possible free agent or trade possibilities set up. Don’t let the situation drag into February like they did last year. Better yet, if they want to work something out with him now.
Joel Peterson
Yeah I will tell you as a Cardinal fan that’s not how it’s gonna go down at all. If Yadi plays he’s playing for 1 team and 1 team only. You can take that to the bank. Same place Albert takes those checks from the Angels…..
It’s 2021 there are very few players cities get truly attached to these days. He’s a rare breed. He goes nowhere.
Poopoocaacaa
St. Louis is a one horse town, you always gotta overpay to get guys to sign or re-sign there.
Joel Peterson
Yadi has never been overpaid. Never.
revolver
Josip Tomic
Uh.
Poopoocaacaa
2018-2020 begs to differ
BaseballGuy1
Wrong. He was over-paid at $20M per season in that three year $60M contract. Did not earn his keep in 2021 either… played too much and other future catchers did not get the reps they needed.
Joel Peterson
You are not him are you? I think you might be…..
dougshawneee
You’ve apparently never seen the Clydesdales – lots of horses in St. Louis!
Poopoocaacaa
You’re absolutely right. St. Louis is amazing because they make piss beer that everybody outgrows once they get out of college and can afford actual beer instead of the water piss that is Budweiser.
Monkey’s Uncle
That’s a whole lot of people that have to ride on just one horse.
themed
St Louis owns the most World Series titles in the National League. They must be doing something right!
Poopoocaacaa
They have 2 WS titles in the last 38 years dude. Calm down.
cards81
What does your team have Poop?
redbirds22
You comment is idiotic as SF, NYY and Boston are the only teams to have won more than 2 in your 38 year time frame. So by your logic they are tied for 2nd in NL and 4th in MLB.
When it was a game.
So do the marlins.
spudchukar
The glaring difference is that St. Louis is almost always in the hunt. They do not tear down, they do not rebuild, they compete year in and year out. They are not the Marlins.
WillieMaysHayes24
They have 2 in the last 15 years. How many does your team have? How many world series appearances in those 38 years since you brought it up?
Such a pathetic little cardinals hater you are.
denny816
Time to move on.
revolver
Yes please! The rest of the NL central will gladlychip in to help pay for it. The longer the better.
WillieMaysHayes24
Regardless of all your jealousy and hatred towards him he’s still FAR better at what he does than ANYTHING you’ve done in your sad life, troll.
Josip Tomic
Hello Anthony,
Can you fix the spelling error of the word ‘brining’? Please & thank you.
“It seems likely the Cardinals would have interest in ‘brining’ Molina back.”
SalaryCapMyth
Hello Josip. Could you please not use a comma after the name Anthony? It seems kind of silly to be concerned for someone’s spelling when you use incorrect punctuation.
YankeesBleacherCreature
He may be a grammar bot.
timyanks
the comma after anthony is correct. he wrote in letter form.
rocknwell
Uh…yes the comma is correct
30 Parks
All hail Yadier Molina.
Dave M707
Stretch is an absolute idiot, must be a sour Cub fan. Molina is still one of the better catchers in MLB
revolver
Check his war and defensive stats and then post your mea culpa. I’ll time you.
Binnington50
Yeah, because war and defensive stats show how valuable he is to the team and the pitching staff. Typical genius comment from a typical Molina hater.
spudchukar
Let me explain one extremely overrated stat; and that would be pitch framing. A few years back MLB network did a segment with one of Yadi’s older brothers. He iterated the foolishness of trying to frame every pitch. First off, umpires hate it. Secondly, it tends to habituate, meaning umps tend to disregard if done repeatedly, and lastly it should be saved for meaningful and important situations. That way framing becomes important, not in stupid framing stats but when it counts. The liitle boy who cried wolf may be among the league leaders in framing stats, but after awhile umps disregard.
Joel Peterson
WAR for catchers is in accurate even the guys at Fangraphs will tell you that. It’s not a coincidence all these young pitchers get to the big leagues and have success it’s really not. We are talking a long long long list of guys.
revolver
No fangraphs will not. And which young pitchers are you talking about? Please provide accurate data.
rocknwell
@dave m707 I agree. And the dude is clutch. I wouldn’t mind seeing him around one more season.
revolver
Please support your claim of “clutch” with data.
rocknwell
Dude are you serious? Have you watched him play over the last two decades? Look at Fangraphs’s metric for CLUTCH. Molina has had some poor years but has been consistently above average with several years being very good on the scale. This year included so far. And you’re one of those “SUPPORT WITH DATA” guys where you simply can’t see the value a player brings without looking at numbers. I suggest maybe scaling back and evaluating the impact people have that can’t be measured with numbers. And for 9 million…how much more value can the Cardinals get from an established player than Molina? MAYBE someone has a breakthrough year? Molina is consistent. And yes he’s getting older. But still has value.
rocknwell
I’m down for that. Not a bad idea.
revolver
In honor of the great cardinal backstop who will be force fed down the Hall Of Fame balloters throats by the BFIB, I pledge to get a neck tattoo if he has a season over 2 war from here on out.
rocknwell
You have a catcher in mind that would be better? Currently none of our catchers in waiting have proven that. (Not saying it’s impossible, just very unlikely)
revolver
Yes. Every one of the organisation’s catcher’s listed in the above article would be better.Not to mention that the 7-8million wasted on his retirement tour would go a long way in grabbing a couple bullpen arms of which they are in dire need.
Joel Peterson
Dude you are lame.
BaseballGuy1
Had any other catchers been given the number of reps that they should have had, we would know who is the future catcher in STL. It is definitely not Molina and it should have been someone else after that three year, over-paid $60M contract. Then the worthless COVID year and now 2021 where it is apparent that it should have been someone else catching the majority of the games.
spudchukar
About the reps. What goes unnoticed by those who doubt Molina’s greatness is the number of games he catches. When one factors in his total contributions, the picture becomes clearer. If one were to combine other team’s backstop duos stats with the Cards, Molina’s numbers would be even better. Let’s say Molina catches 25 more games a year than the average catcher, that means the total numbers between him and his back-up skew higher cause the second string guy doesn’t weigh down the totals for the position. Just saying!
Dad
Take it back please, the world doesn’t need anymore neck ink. Keep it classy
spudchukar
So now you are the classy judge?
Binnington50
He doesn’t have to be force fed to anyone except you and your fellow morons that are haters of him for some unknown reason and are t able to recognize his true greatness, longevity and value.
revolver
Please provide the evidence to support your thesis….I knew you couldn’t. “I like the way he goes about his business.”… “Can’t put a price tag on veteran leadershp”…”His intangibles are priceless”… and my favorite canard of them all ” Can’t measure how he handles a pitching staff.”
He will be the least qualified hall of fame inductee outside of Harold Baines.
Binnington50
Hahaha! What an idiot. Can’t wait to see him inducted, first ballot, surefire HOF’er!!!!
themed
First ballot is correct!
revolver
It’s inevitable. Not deserved but inevitable. The Hall has no choice.
BaseballGuy1
No doubt he will be inducted into the HOF. First ballot, that would be nice too. Does not mean he should still be the #1 catcher in STL as his days have passed him by at this point. Past time to move on to the future.
spudchukar
He says he doesn’t have the patience to be a manager. Which probably goes a long way to understand his playing greatness!
spudchukar
He says he doesn’t have the patience to be a manager. Which probably goes a long way to understand his playing greatness!
jfive
If Waino returns as well, he could be his personal catcher .. thats about 34 starts a season
CardsFan77
Wow. So much on this, where do I start? Oh yeah, either I’m reading comments by little pubescent teens or people that don’t get baseball and all of its history and lore. Molina is impossible to measure. There are no metrics for what he does and how he leads (like others in baseball history) I get it, if you can’t put a fancy number on it then it doesn’t count right? Stupid.. baseball is about way more than launch angle, UZR, DRS…blah blah blah…. Molina won’t have to be force fed down anyone’s HOF throat.. he’s earned it no doubt. And of course let’s get to the team itself… the Cardinals.. God lord they are horrible right? Have no clue what they are doing and overpay and can’t judge talent and their owners are cheap and stupid… did I cover everything??? Tell ya what, unless you are a Yankees fan literally STFU until your team has at least 11 banners flying high.. that’s it that’s that’s the end.. second best baseball team in the HISTORY OF THE SPORT…. LET ME KNOW WHEN YOUR TEAM CAN F*** WITH THAT
Binnington50
Spot on
revolver
BFIB! Rock on with the mullets!
Poopoocaacaa
This dude literally said you can’t measure his greatness in the age of advanced metrics! 11 rings and 2 since 1983. GTFO with that garbage. Y’all want to be the Yankees so bad. Talking about 2nd best. Lol
revolver
I guess Trout sucks then….at least according to your ” metrics.”
RoyalsFanAmongWolves
Just make him the manager in St. Louis.
HubcapDiamondStarHalo
I’ve long wondered if he has any interest in coaching after his playing days are up. A lot of knowledge and experience he could pass along…
spudchukar
He says he doesn’t have the patience to be a manager. Which probably goes a long way to understand his playing greatness!
BaseballGuy1
Should not be the manager of any MLB team. Does not have the personality and skills to handle that job. Coach on a staff, yes. Manager, no.
Dave M707
Revolver’s an idiot too! Another sour Cub fan with only one Championship in 114 years!
revolver
Actually a Ray’s fan but I love what the cubs did this deadline. Took some balls.
Daryl Pauley
I agree to awesome.
CardsFan77
You know it’s funny… everyone on here acts like players shouldn’t ever decline. I’m sure most people think bringing Molina back is a “waste” of money. Cool, your entitled to that opinion… but here’s the deal… his accolades he has amassed in his career can’t be doubted. 17 years with the same team, as a catcher, has started somewhere around 120 games or more average… he got hit in the Balls with 102 and was hemorrhaging and came back in 3 weeks…. he bleeds cardinal baseball, he loves baseball, he is respected by many in the sport. Was he the best catcher ever? No… you all act like he is 28… funny because when he was 28, I’ll bet your team didn’t run on him.. hell, I’ll bet your team don’t really test him at 38.!! I’ll await your comments
revolver
Don’t forget how he aided his pitchers in using spider tack. Remember that hilarious shot of him with the ball glued to his chest protector. You can’t pay enough for that kind of “leadership.” Pricless.
cards81
@revolver…since 2004 guess which team has the fewest stolen bases against them.:.if you guessed the Cardinals then you are right…and what’s funny is it’s not even close…almost by double…go ahead look it up…educate yourself on why he is a sure HOF
revolver
Dude. If you watched baseball in this century you’d realize stolen bases are an anachronism. No one even tries anymore. Stolen base prevention hasn’t even been mentioned in like 20 years. And if it has its been credited to the pitching staff. It’s ain’t 1986 anymore.
cards81
Lol whatever makes you sleep at night knowing how stupid you sound saying Molina is not a HOF…here is some more stats for you..
On the Bill James Hall of Fame monitor (on Molina’s Baseball Reference page), Molina scores 162 points on a scale in which 130 is considered a “virtual cinch.” However, that same page credits Yadi with a career WAR (Wins Above Replacement) of 40.1 and a JAWS score of 34.5, just 24th best among all catchers in MLB history. So what do you value more? The accolades or the numbers? We’ll delve into that debate after a brief recap of Molina’s 16-year career.
Cooperstown Cred: Yadier Molina (C)
St. Louis Cardinals (2004-2019)
Career: .282 BA, 156 HR, 916 RBI, 1,963 Hits
Career: 98 OPS+, 40.1 bWAR (Wins Above Replacement)
Career: 54.0 fWAR (FanGraphs version of WAR)
9-time All-Star
9-time Gold Glove Award winner
148 career “Total Zone” fielding runs above average (from Baseball Reference) (2nd most all-time for catchers to Ivan Rodriguez)
Career: 40.2% runners caught stealing (best among active catchers)
Career: 1,947 games caught (7th most in baseball history)
Won 2006 & 2011 World Series Championships with St. Louis Cardinals
Career: .328 BA, 12 RBI in 21 World Series games
revolver
Yep fringe candidate at best.
cards81
By the way those stats aren’t even updated…he has over 2000 hits
InherentVice
If the stats aren’t even updated then maybe you should be educating your own self. Anyway, I love how you say he was hemorrhaging from his balls and in the very next sentence say he bleeds cardinal baseball.. Nice.
cards81
Lol his stats just keep getting better…so educate your own self
InherentVice
You mean the counting stats? Because yeah, that’s a bit obvious, since negative hits, home runs, etc don’t exist. Meanwhile his rate stats keep declining. But I’m sure you can cherry pick some more stats to demonstrate how he’s been a slightly-below-average hitter in his career. You do know that 100 OPS+ is average, right? So 98 career OPS+ means he’s been a below-average hitter throughout his career. Your username indicates you’re old enough to remember Jason Kendall and A.J. Pierzynski, and your stat references indicate you’ve heard of baseball-reference. So make some new arguments.
spudchukar
You know why his 98 hitting average is better than league average. Because he catches 25 or more games in a season and his back-up doesn’t drag down the total numbers for the position, cherry picker.
Mario93
One of the greatest catchers of all time, give respect where it’s due.
revolver
I’d put him right up there with Jason Kendrick or Tony Pena. A nice player.
WillieMaysHayes24
How many comments do you make on one article? Pathetic.
retire21
Bucco fan here. Molina should be a first ballot HOFer. I’ve always admired him on the field and I don’t believe he should play for any other franchise. Yet it is also reasonable to think that he could be done and thoughts along those lines are not ridiculous.
BaseballGuy1
Well-said.
CuddyFox
I am going to say 1 thing about Molina. Wait tell he gets 5 more doubles and 25 more RBIs before anyone say he is or is not in the HOF. Molina is close to career milestones and he will get to those. I was hoping for 32 HRs, but I do not think he will make it to hit that many more.
gbs42
Another five doubles and 25 RBI won’t be the difference between Molina being in the HOF or not.
CuddyFox
How many other catchers have 400 doubles in their careers or 1000 RBIs? Not many.
gbs42
True, but it’s not like his HOF case depends on him reaching those milestones. I think he’s a Hall of Famer. He’s not an “inner circle” talent and may not get in on the first ballot, but I expect him to be elected.
44McCovey
Dude is a 1st ballot HOFer. Loved his big brother Benji when he was in SF. Treated Posey well before being traded. Yadi, Goldschmidt & Arenado always seem to kill the Giants. Hope he ends his career in St. Louis.
TribeFan88
Molina currently has 2,077 hits. If he were to return in 2022, reaching 2,200 seems doable.
At 168 home runs, I could see him finding his way to 180, maybe 185.
Yep it is
Another reason the Cards no longer win. Aging player been around forever “ hey let’s sign him for another year” for what? The only reason he hasn’t left is because they keep paying him what no other team would. He needs to GO.
spudchukar
Nope, he doesn’t!
InherentVice
I’m still waiting to hear one coherent argument for why Yadi is a Hall of Famer that doesn’t resort to insults (“if you don’t think he deserves it you’re an idiot”) or completely subjective and un-quantifiable arguments. If I ever hear a viable case for his induction, I’d then like to hear why a cheater with enough spidertack on his chest protector to make baseballs defy gravity deserves to be honored. I know he will eventually get in, but in 20 years he’ll be a guy whose induction is dismissed by voters as a mistake that should be ignored while judging current HOF candidates.
spudchukar
Here is what is quantifiable, the baseball stuck between the rigid pads in current chest protectors. No sticky stuff. Mlb investigated. No evidence of Molina ever touching,scraping, or wiping his chest protector. GI read some other conspiracy theory, this one was put to bed long ago.
Lyman Bostock
Looked at his career WAR. Not as high as I’d have thought. 41.3 isn’t much for the hall of fame. Even for catchers it’s not top 20. Jason Kendall and Jorge Posada have higher WAR.
Kenny Lofton had a 56.8 WAR which is 9th all time CF and yet no one on this site agrees with me that he got snubbed.
I’m sure Yady will get in. The way he got into base runners heads and how clutch he was at the dish and the leadership aren’t measured by WAR. But even from my eye test watching baseball his entire career, I never got the sense he was one of the best players on the field. I thought I was watching a great defensive catcher who had a serviceable and at times clutch bat. Maybe that’s enough over 20 years at that position to be a hall of famer. My main point is that I don’t think it’s a no brainer, like I did before. If I had a vote this one would be tough.
mlbnyyfan
Is Molina a HOF player if so Posada should be as well
stan lee the manly
That’s because WAR is horrible at capturing defensive value for catchers. The catchers you named were one-sided offensive catchers, which plays perfectly into WAR. It’s never been a good metric for evaluating catchers.
tominco
As long as he doesn’t dominate playing time and lets Knizner or Herrera get playing time.