With the current collective bargaining agreement set to expire on December 1, 2021, Major League Baseball and the MLB Players Association have been in talks regarding the potential structure of the next CBA. MLB made its first core economic proposal to the MLBPA this week, report Evan Drellich and Ken Rosenthal of the Athletic.
MLB’s proposal included a lower threshold for taxes on team spending, with teams subject to a 25% tax on any spending above $180MM, report Drellich and Rosenthal. There would be three additional tax brackets at some point above that mark (for a total of four tax brackets), with the tax rate increasing as teams hit those higher overage levels. As a trade-off, MLB proposed that teams be subject to a $100MM salary minimum. MLB’s entire proposal was presented as a package deal as opposed to a series of one-by-one potential provisions.
For comparison’s sake, the current CBA contains three tiers of luxury tax penalization. For the 2021 season, the first tier begins at $210MM and contains a 20% tax on overages up through $230MM. There’s a 32% tax on overages between $230MM and $250MM and a 62.5% tax on any payments beyond $250MM. Those penalties escalate for teams that pay the tax in multiple consecutive seasons.
(Under the current CBA, a team’s luxury tax number is calculated by tabulating the average annual values of its financial obligations — not its actual payroll in any given season. It’s not clear whether MLB’s proposal would continue to be based on contracts’ AAV’s as opposed to current-year obligations).
The luxury tax has become an obvious deterrent to spending for most high-payroll teams. Only the Dodgers have been comfortable blowing by the thresholds to incur the loftiest penalties associated with the third bracket this season. Teams like the Padres, Yankees, Phillies, Red Sox and Astros all have CBT numbers hovering right around the $210MM lowest threshold and either contemplated or were seemingly dead-set upon avoiding the tax during their offseason and trade deadline maneuvering. Of that group, it seems only San Diego might have exceeded the threshold by a narrow margin, although it’s not yet clear that’s the case. Even if the Friars did go over the first threshold, they didn’t exceed it by enough to incur particularly meaningful financial penalties this year.
Given that the luxury tax has served as a de facto salary cap for some of the league’s top spenders, it doesn’t seem likely the MLBPA will be particularly enamored with the idea of lowering that first threshold such a substantial amount. Indeed, it’s widely expected the MLBPA will be pushing for a dramatic increase to those thresholds during the current session of CBA talks. MLB also offered the union an option to leave the luxury tax status quo, report Drellich and Rosenthal, although it’s not clear what other conditions would be involved in that scenario.
MLB is obviously aware that getting the MLBPA’s assent on lower tax thresholds will be extremely difficult (if not impossible). That’s likely the reason for the inclusion of the proposed salary floor, with the league reasoning that setting a minimum payroll would increase some teams’ spending and more equally divide team payrolls for competitive balance reasons. Twelve teams (Pirates, Indians, Marlins, Orioles, Rays, Mariners, Tigers, A’s, Royals, Rangers, Diamondbacks and Brewers) entered the 2021 season with an actual payroll below $100MM, in the estimation of Cot’s Baseball Contracts. (Seven had an estimated luxury tax payroll below $100MM). The league’s proposal contained some method of redistributing tax money collected from the higher spenders to spur spending among those lowest-payroll clubs, Drellich and Rosenthal report.
Of course, there’s plenty about the league’s proposal that’s unknown. Drellich and Rosenthal note that it’s unclear how the league would penalize teams that don’t reach the spending minimum, or even in what season that minimum would go into effect. It’s also debatable whether the presence of a salary floor would actually increase free agent spending or truly disincentivize teams from conducting long-term rebuilds. It’s equally easy to envision a low-payroll rebuilder acquiring an underperforming veteran player on an expensive contract — along with prospect talent — from a high-payroll club looking to duck under the tax threshold.
For instance, the Padres and Rangers reportedly had pre-deadline discussions about a deal that would’ve sent first baseman Eric Hosmer (who’s on an eight-year, $144MM contract) and top outfield prospect Robert Hassell III to Texas to acquire Joey Gallo. That obviously didn’t come to fruition, but it’s a useful illustration of the creative ways teams could work around the lower tax thresholds/salary floor. The Rangers picking up Hosmer would’ve pushed their payroll up over $100MM while shedding money from San Diego’s books — without having any direct impact on the free agent market.
Of course, there’s still a few months for the two sides to bandy about proposals before the expiration of the current CBA. The MLBPA made its first proposal back in May, report Drellich and Rosenthal, with one emphasis being on earlier arbitration eligibility for younger players.
There’s obviously a significant amount of each proposal that hasn’t yet been made public. Drellich’s and Rosenthal’s report sheds some early light on both sides’ vision for the long-term future of the sport, but there’ll be plenty more back-and-forth between the league and the MLBPA over the coming months in what’s widely expected to be a fairly contentious negotiation. The full piece is worth a perusal for subscribers to the Athletic interested in the sport’s labor dynamics.
davidk1979
Luxury tax at 185 mil is an absolute joke no way does the mlbpa go for it.
thestatbook123
As it stands now, of course not. But if you force teams to pay a salary floor, they likely would.
thatsright
Salary floor will be a joke. Wait til we see how the small market teams weasel around this one.
Deleted User
It’s better to have a rule they have to try to “weasel around” then let them underspend their budgets freely.
StPeteStingRays
Yeah, I would hate to continue to lose to the lowly Rays.
Yankee-4-Lifer 75
The Rays are a great team with a low payroll, but they are still not guarantee to win everything this season.
Paul Griggs
Right now 12 teams are spending anywhere from about $3 to 51 millions less than the proposed lower limit. Four teams are above it, although this article seems to say that the Padres are the only team maybe above it (the Dodgers have a 2021 payroll of $267 million and the Padres are at $176 million). Three of the 12 teams below the proposed lower limit are contenders (Brewers, As and Rays).. It would be unfair to ask the Dodgers to suddenly have to pare off $87 million or the Indians to add $51 million in one year.
Patrick OKennedy
Spending, for purposes of the competitive balance tax, does not use just “opening day payroll”. The CBT payroll uses
– The average annual value of multi year contracts
– Salaries for the entire 40 man roster
– An additional $15 million in player benefits that each team pays
So a CBT payroll of $ 180 million leaves only about $ 162 million to pay salaries for the 26 man roster
Using CBT payrolls, there are 9 teams above $180 million and 7 teams below 100 million as of April 1, 2021. * of the 9 teams were below the current tax threshold of $201 million but above 180M.
Pads Fans
Why. Lowering it from $210 to $185 takes hundreds of millions off the table and adds just $60-90 million back.
This season only 6 teams are under $100 million in CBT payroll, The Rays (80.3), Orioles (76.6), Indians (63.2), Mariners (92.3), Pirates (62.9), and Marlins (78.5). They were a combined $101 million under. 2021 is an outlier year as in 2018 and 2019 there were only 4 teams.
This season 10 teams were over $185 million by a total of $304 million. That is an outlier because in 2018 and 2019 it was 12 teams by an average $341 million.
By taking a severely lower CBT top and a minimal increase at the bottom the MLBPA would be giving away $200 million in potential player salaries at a time when revenues per team are going up.
TalkSomeSense
Not sure where you are getting your numbers but Spotrac has 12 teams under 100m ( same as the article states ) who are a combined 300m under the 100m threshold.
There are 7 teams over 180m for a total if 125m combined over the 1st ceiling.
bravesiowafan
If teams continue to act like the luxury tax is a cap the number won’t matter as few teams like now will go over and pay anything.
bob9988 2
What they said.
Pads Fans
You are only looking at beginning of season MLB player payroll and not at CBT calculations which is what this offer from MLB is based on.
CBT calculations are based on AAV of contracts any team has plus 40 man roster costs and some other things like funding the player retirement fund.
Stop using Spotrac.
Pads Fans
Just noticed I used $185 million, not $180 million. Add $50 million to that $304 million figure that MLB is taking OFF the table.
TalkSomeSense
No those figure are not beginning of season numbers they are current . Go look at the tab there showing remaining Payroll space remaining to Tax threshold.
Where are you getting your numbers btw? You still have not said.
padam
Your math is off.
Patrick OKennedy
Payroll for tax purposes includes about $ 15 million in player benefits and uses the average annual value of multi year contracts. It also uses the full 40 man payroll. There are seven teams below 100 M using the CBT payroll numbers. There are 12 if you used the opening day payroll numbers.
The 7th team is the Tigers, at $98.7 million. They will almost surely go over 100 M just by replacing players on the IL and calling up others.
LostInTraslation
I don’t know about all of your numbers but there is no way the Pirates are spending 62 MM on their roster.
DocBB
Dude you can’t do math….LOL
JohnJasoJingleHeimerSchmidt
If you take current payrolls, add them together along with benefits (CBA totals), the MLB is paying out, as a whole, around 4.367 billion in payroll.
Now, if you take the teams under the 100M threshold, and they spend not one dime over that, and the teams over the luxury tax, and they don’t spend a dime over, the number actually goes down to 4.298 billion (these numbers are all according to Cots Baseball Contracts, FYI).
However, such a thought exercise doesn’t account for the fact that certain teams will have to continue over the 185M. The Dodgers and Padres, to name two, will almost guaranteed pay more than 185M, just based on existing contracts.
Not to mention, some of these lower spending teams will be spending more next year, thanks to arbitration, free agency, and escalators in existing contracts.
Right now, if our thought exercise plays out, MLBPA would stand to lose a very nice 69M. That;ll be made up, by about 4-5 times just through natural spending next year.
AND, you won’t allow teams like Miami, Cleveland, Pittsburgh or Tampa Bay to continue skirting having to pay real salaries to players.
dpsmith22
your alarm is going off.
GASoxFan
This whole conversation is OK, but, as the article says there isn’t a clear connection is AAV is even being used… since it doesn’t need to be.
Paul Griggs
mlb.com/glossary/transactions/competitive-balance-…
As usual, nothing is ever simple.
jdgoat
I don’t think that’s true. There’s maybe 6-7 teams that would exceed that number. Adding a 100 million dollar floor will force teams to dole out hundreds of millions of more money than they currently do. There’s some teams that will be forced to add around 40 million dollars to reach that number. That’s an overall win for the players. Rich teams can still exceed the limit if they want.
Polish Hammer
Which is why the MLBPA would go with it as overall more money would be paid to the players.
Pads Fans
In a typical year it would have been $60-90 million total. In 2021 its $101 million. Lowering the CBT luxury tax threshold to $185 million would take $300-340 million out of the player payroll pool.
TalkSomeSense
That is wrong. There are not 6 teams in 2021 who are averaging 235-250m in salaries each.
Pads Fans
What I said is RIGHT. You are only looking at beginning of season MLB player payroll and not at CBT calculations which is what this offer from MLB is based on.
CBT calculations are based on AAV of contracts any team has plus 40 man roster costs and some other things like funding the player retirement fund.
Deleted User
Citation needed
Goku the Knowledgable One
Why not just put the Pirates in AAA?
JohnJasoJingleHeimerSchmidt
“Lowering the CBT luxury tax threshold to $185 million would take $300-340 million out of the player payroll pool.”
It’d really help if you actually ran the numbers and looked at it. Currently, pulling all of those teams down to 185M would take a total of 204M. But pushing others up to 100M runs around 98M. The net total losses are currently 69M overall.
You fail to take into account a few things:
1. Certain teams HAVE to remain over 185M next season, based solely on their existing contracts. So it won’t be as extreme of losses. (Also the Dodgers straight up don’t care about the luxury tax).
2. You’re leaving out the impact of middle teams (those between 100-185M in payroll). Many of them will ADD salary this year. The Giants, White Sox, Blue Jays, Twins, Reds, Brewers, Braves all look to spend a lot of money this winter. Many of them will push, if not exceed, 185M.
If the collective net loss is looking to be around 69M, I bet just 3 of the 7 teams I mentioned make up for that in free agency alone. This doesn’t even account for arbitration rises and further contract extensions.
damascusj
You still haven’t cited your sources
rockofloveusa1
did you forget about yanks , blue jays, red sox ,white sox angles ? Dodgers straight up don’t care about the luxury tax).
$300-340 million out of the player payroll pool.” is a good thing if you look at the number of over paid player . or teams
mlb said it go to adding two teams.
any way it goes jeter have a say . commoner is a fan of.
KermitJagger
A hard floor with a soft cap will just lead to inflation of player salaries. You need a hard cap if you are going to use a hard floor. And I think a hard floor is absolutely necessary.
rockofloveusa1
like a hard cap every other year
dpsmith22
and some teams to fold. Funny because many of you think these teams are making millions…..yet some player contracts are worth 1/4 or more of the organizations total value…it’s comical to me.
Tatsumaki
The tax floor is a huge win for small market teams. Been saying this is necessary for awhile to give anyone a chance to win. Pirates, Marlins, indians, rays, a’s fans should be happy with this.
bigdaddyt
all 4,000 rays fans
StPeteStingRays
Of which overpaying and underperforming team are you a fan?
alwaysgo4two
No kidding? I’d actually thought that there’d be much more. Are you thinking about attendance? If so, I’d be very impressed by your original thinking. The Rays do more with less than any team in MLB. Maybe a teeny weeny bit jealous?
MatthewLVT17
I mean, they do well while also having one of the smallest fanbases in the league
StPeteStingRays
Matthew, you’re grossly confounding fan base and attendance.
geg42
The union will call lowering the luxury tax threshold a nonstarter no matter what it is paired with.
Gothamcityriddler
I know it’s early but this LUDICROUS!!
Ahahahahahahaha!!!
GASoxFan
What you got to remember is setting bargaining goalposts.
It’s like buying a car. You don’t usually go in with your top dollar, you try lower first and haggle back and forth. Then you come up to your real price range but get a couple years of oil changes, an extended warranty, and some free accessories thrown in innexchange for raising your offer.
Same deal here. It just an opening salvo that the owners want to negotiate higher inexchange for concessions – maybe expanded postseason or some such.
Pads Fans
Last season the number floated by the MLBPA for the luxury tax in the new CBA started at $250 million and went up 3.5% each year.
GASoxFan
What I’d like to see is a hybrid system. Earmark a percentage of total revenue as “player compensation”… say 50% or 55%.
Teams don’t NEED to spend it on contracts… but if they don’t, the left over money goes into a pool to be split pro-rata with every minor leaguer getting 1 share, and every pre-arb mlb player getting 2 shares. Anyone in arb or higher status doesn’t get a slice.
Fixes the problem of low compensation for the youngest talent, and, gives a disincentive to boost ticket prices while not spending on players and such since the slice the owners can keep and line their pockets goes down.
Never happens, but might be interesting idea to tweak.
fburner88
Interesting thought, one problem I see is your idea starts with creating a salary cap… you’re just saying it in a different way.
Defining a split in revenue means pay is now based on how much money teams are bringing in, not how much owners are willing to spend.
GASoxFan
Sure fburner, why not?
Right now players in MLB on a salary alone (non fringe benefit/taxes/etc) take the lowest share of percentage revenue in professional sports. Somehow, for all its popularity and attendance fears MLB is growing its brand and revenue at a pace that out strips the other sports.
If you codify and guarantee a revenue split, and, you find a way to make it a permanent calculation that isn’t up for renegotiation – bear in mind I’m not sure how – you basically remove all major future strike risk and animosity with the MLBPA.
The question is no longer players wanting more pie. It’s the owners saying, here’s your pie, how do you want to serve it amongst yourselves. Most of the battle is gone.
Now. Is it a hard cap of sorts, sure. But it’s a grossly higher cap than where we are by an order of over a billion extra dollars. It’s about 40million per club extra above current team spending.
Mechanics I’m not attached to. Maybe you boost revenue sharing so all teams get a bigger floor. Point is, you’ve earmarked a chunk of money that, no matter what, owners can’t keep.
Once they can’t keep it there’s no point in being stingy with it. And if they choose not to spend, it does good anyways.
Never happens anyways so moot point.
fburner88
I think COVID is a good example of why they wouldn’t go that route. Look at the NHL, they’re going to have a flat cap for years because of the revenue sharing. not apples to apples because NHL depends much more on gate revenue than MLB does (that’s my understanding at least).
The other interesting thing is, would the owners all get on board with that? With the current revenue sharing teams like the Yankees and Dodger’s would basically be subsidizing Tampa’s payroll. It’s one thing to subsidized the owners pockets (which I suspect has some interesting dynamics behind the scenes we don’t hear about) but if you force them to spend it on players that changes the dynamic in some fashion.
Then again the Dodger’s seem fine paying players to play for other teams so they might not care lol
It’s a really interesting thought though and it would fix more than one problem (especially underpaying of minor leaguers).
UGA_Steve
GaSoxFan, while I agree with your premise, you really shouldn’t compare what MLB players get versus other sports. There are just FAR too many differences. Just a few of the big ones:
– guaranteed vs non-guaranteed contracts
– # of games to make that money (more games means more spending on non-player costs
– minor league system being funded by MLB at a much richer depth and funding level than other sports (NFL has zero cost, NBA a tiny amount though they do fund WNBA which is another argument altogether, NHL has a deeper system, but the league does not fund)
I really like the total revenue % system amongst most of those being brought out. I just feel MLB stands on it’s own and it’s bad enough the MLBPA tries to use that tactic without factoring in all the other things MLB Players get that other sports do not. It’s just not apples to apples.
GASoxFan
It’s interesting you bring up minor league subsidies… but have you looked at how little that is?
Lowest levels of the minors they pay about $8,000 per year for players including the coach costs spread over the per player salary.
Even in aaa they’re getting, on average, about 40,000 a player if you ignore those minor league free agent former mlb regular signings and just focus on draft stock or young guys
Each team might spend under $10million total across the entire minor league system? It’s not like they’re paying $100million a team. The entire minor leage costs a team what a journeyman player is.
I agree a mlb team has a lot more hidden costs. I used to make arguments all the time to that effect when people argued that teams could afford higher payrolls… there are some teams that indont think could do songs well,, when means lookingnat some revenue sides of things. But I also think mlb is driving a lot more dollars through as well. So even is an mlb owner pockets personally a smaller percentage it’ll still be more in gross dollars flowing to the owner’s pockets.
It’ll never happen though, so it really doesn’t matter that much like I said.
The other thing that would be nice, from a competitive standpoint, is if they standardized team broadcast rights deals to renew at the same times. That way the various teams would all receive their new money infusions together.
Logistically you couldn’t void existing deals, but long term you could take the longest outstanding deal and say every team’s next renewal must expire on that date. Then. On that date, everyone gets an improved, increased monetary flow.
Yes. TV deals would still vary in value. But SOME of that disparity would equalize. There are some teams finishing out such old deals while other teams just quadrupled their deal
annual value or more.
dpsmith22
My contract was $950 a month when I was 20 years old. A long time ago. You forget the investment these teams have in their minor league players. Facilities, coaching, lodging, food, uniforms , equipment…..etc etc
GASoxFan
I hadn’t seen the new numbers under the “improved” minor league pay scale they added in 2021, it is better but really still not great.. it falls like this:
Single A:
$290/wk to $500/wk for a $10,500 salary.
Double A:
$350/wk to $600/wk for a $12,600 salary.
Triple A:
$502/wk to $700/wk for a $14,700 salary.
40-man players obviously get a large bump to nearer $46k which drags their average up, but that’s not many guys per milb team scattered between aa/aaa level who aren’t on the 26 man or IL.
Many players need foster families who provide a majority of their meals and housing. Teams only give a $25 per diem on the road. Have you tried to live and eat for $25/day??
Mlb teams are still stingy, dont get the wrong idea. And those numbers aren’t that expensive, don’t believe the cries of poverty. They don’t fly milb guys around on charter planes, they get cheap busses.
sportingnews.com/us/amp/mlb/news/even-after-overdu…
rockofloveusa1
not just Dodger’s that along a problem
Pistol23
#GASoxFan
Floor mats for door mats?
(funnier in my head?)
HalosHeavenJJ
Of course not. Nobody ever takes the first offer. At some point the math will line up right. Maybe that’s at $200 million and a floor. Maybe it is higher.
But I like the idea of a floor. Too many small market owners pocketing revenue sharing money instead of spending it on players.
Cosmo2
Pocketing money? The owners are entitled to make a profit. Do you know for a fact that small market teams are making such a profit that the accusations of them pocketing money instead of handing out contracts is true or is this just an assumption? No doubt teams like the Pirates have disgracefully low payrolls and it’s difficult to imagine ownership isn’t to blame some how, but pocketing money? They are allowed to expect to earn on their investment.
GASoxFan
It’s the difference between being a slumlord or providing quality housing.
Either way you make money, its just less work and effort to be the slumlord. So, they need an incentive to improve beyond being a slumlord.
Just because you have a salary floor doesn’t mean you can’t make money if you put a better product on the field and get butts in the seats.
ChapmansVacuum
Rather have the players make at least half the money. Almost all the owners are total douchbag billionaires F their wallets. Most of them also paid pennys for the teams they will sell for Billions. 10M for NYY sell it for 5B beats inflation by a lot..
TomahawkChop
Being a billionaire doesn’t make you a douchebag. Everyone, no matter the amount of money they have, is entitled to spend it however they’d like. But… Being petty, jealous, and judgemental because someone has more money than you’d like them to have definitely.skes you a douchebag.
TomahawkChop
*definitely makes*
sviscusi
No they’re not. The only thing they are entitled to is tickets and parking spaces, everything else, including profit, is a privilege. One partially paid for by MLB getting anti trust exemptions.
Any owner who has a problem with that is free to sell and net the hundreds of millions in profit they get from owning an appreciating asset. They won’t though.
CluHaywood
See perennial MLB farm teams Pittsburgh and Miami as references.
ChapmansVacuum
Oh im not generalizing dude. Oakland fan here thinks John fisher is a total douch that refused to pay minor leaguers during a pandemic. So many terrible owners that give money to terrible people and causes that want to pay the players you pay to see about 25% of the profit, and that number is only because they think they cant get away with lower…….
Cosmo2
Profit is a privilege? That’s not how economy works. How will you get investors if that’s your attitude? You won’t. MLB, like any business in that situation, will fold. You can’t force owners to put up their money, you need favorable conditions and a promise of revenues if the business turns a profit. This is elementary school economics here.
1984wasntamanual
Have the players make half of…what money? What figure are you using? Revenue, profit, other?
dpsmith22
which is the exact reason most of the people out here hate the owners. Jealousy
dpsmith22
heaven forbid a business make money. they certainly spent to get it.
dpsmith22
dude you really think the owners are making 25% profit? David Glass old owner of the Royals showed his books that the luxury tax 3.2 mil was his profit. Pennies on a business worth 400 million.
GASoxFan
@dp, there’s a lot of creative accounting…
Depreciation deductions.
Capital improvements that build assets.
Investments in offsite revenue by buying parking lots and then spinning them off in an LLC you own that leases it to the team.
Splitting the television rights Ala YES or MASN or NESN or take your pick where you earn lots of money that doesn’t go back directly to the team except as a small percentage royalty.
There’s all kinds of stuff.
JoeBrady
GASoxFan54 mins ago
@dp, there’s a lot of creative accounting…
Depreciation deductions.
===========================
That’s not creative accounting. That’s spreading the cost of a physical asset over its useful life.
Let’s say you building a 3-story building for $300,000, that you rent out for $30,000 a year. You don’t get to write off the $300,000 in the first year. You have to write it off over ~ 30 years.
Same with the team. If you spend $250,000 on a workout/PT/OT room, you get to deduct that expense from your revenue. It is just spread out over its useful life. This is the same for every business, in every country, in the world.
GASoxFan
@joebrady –
Last I knew you had different years to write down different assets and at the end are left with an asset of value. For example you get to depreciate a vehicle something like 1ok year 1, 14k year 2, 8k year 3, and about 6k each year after until you hit zero.
Buildings you have to take 27 to 39 years depending what it is… but I ask you, is a 28 year old building worth zero? If it is, I wanna scoop up thousands of those $0 houses built in the mid 1990s.
It IS creative accounting and BS pushed into the tax code via lobbying. You and I can’t write off the cost of things we buy for ourself out of our personal taxes can we? No, because nobody lobbied for it.
So yes. They get to claim they made no profit although money comes in hand over fist, first as expensed away deductions that mask the fact that money actually flowed into your pockets, and then again when they sell the residual property that, contrary to what the irs believes, never actually becomes worth $0… all the while earning money by using that asset.
Gratefuljim
But being a BRAVE fan with the name tommyhawk chop sure does.
dpsmith22
you mean their 3.5 mil from the tax as their only profit…ask David Glass.
Al Hirschen
It to keep players money down
Cosmo2
Maybe player salaries SHOULD be kept down. I mean, are you seriously arguing that these millionaires are underpaid? Billionaires or not, owners are entitled to their share of the profits, which is already a much lower percentage than other business owners get in comparison to what the players get paid. (Not to mention that the “players are underpaid” argument neglects that other workers in MLB, security, accountants and such actually ARE underpaid cuz too much money is going to players). Eventually owners are gonna say, “this ain’t worth it” and walk away. Then the players will get paid NOTHING cuz professional baseball will no longer exist.
pt57
How bout this: remove all restrictions on player salaries.
No luxury tax, no draft, no arbitration, no nothing. Player contracts for a set time and is free to seek another contract when it runs out.
Let each owner run their business as they see fit. Whether they make a profit is up to them.
dpsmith22
exactly sir. Sadly the phrase ‘land of opportunity’ has been lost in our society anymore.
nbresnak
This so called Manfred proposal is DOA or Dead On Arrival!
Lowering the Luxury Tax, regardless of what type of gimmicks you add to it isn’t happening.
It’s actually insulting that the Commissioner of MLB would even propose this idea to the media and it’s fans!
Ted
He didn’t propose it to the media and the fans.
Do you guys negotiate for a new house by offering a bid you know the sellers will accept right away? That’d be insane.
andyg37
Have you seen the housing market the last 6 months?
alwaysgo4two
Actually you have a valid point. Yhe negotiation now begins in many states ABOVE the asking price so not a relevant comparison.
1984wasntamanual
I have a feeling that most of the people that make comments like this have not gone through the process of purchasing a house or any other large financial commitment.
joshize
But that’s not normal life.. I think you get his point.
baseballguy_128
Yup… I mean that would screw so many teams
iverbure
Why they should be rewarding teams like the Rays. If you can win with players all making the league minimum why not. Teams would win more if they acted like the Rays more often. You never need to sign a player for more than a year. Since 2008 how many wins do the rays have? Oh it’s a lot like more than 25 other teams in since that period. Exactly spend less win more. It’s really simple.
rockofloveusa1
marlins did it 2003 to 2017 only finishing last in n.l. east 4 time under jeter 3 time in 4 years.
it not simple as you say cause trade have come through. imagen ray keeping one of their top five pitcher last 8 year. or being able to Justin verlander like Houston
keeping charle morton this year
JoeBrady
Close enough. There are 9 that exceed the $180M and 7 that are under the $100M.
The should go for $200/100M, with a minimum % of the revenue.
Deadguy
Lol 180? Lmao 180 mil? Dodgers, Yankees, Red Sox, Angels about to have fit
SoxRewl
A salary floor is absolutely necessary for competitive balance. Get those cheap owners to put a consistent product on the field without having to hire super computers as gms. Maybe fans of the Pirates and Marlins will finally have consistent reasons to get excited for baseball.
Mjm117
We Marlins fans are already excited. Putting a floor to the cap at or near 100 million will be back for the rest of the NL East.
Also only 12 teams have payroll over 100 million
Mjm117
Will be bad for the rest of the NL East.***
TheDayMILBDied
all two dozen of them.
LordD99
They also need to decouple the amateur draft from team records. It encourages tanking.
seamaholic 2
There’s a reason why every draft in every sport favors the worse teams. There is no workable alternative.
TheGr8One
There is a workable alternative. Give the first pick to the team with the best record not in the playoffs. Discourages tanking right there.
marcfrombrooklyn
That’s Dale Murphy’s proposal. It’s interesting but it might discourage teams from competing for the second wild card spot and play a game on the road to move on and, if they win, possibly get trounced by the team with the best record in the league, particularly with their ace going i the wild card game.. I know it doesn’t always happen, but those are the circumstances more often than not.
alwaysgo4two
The Pirates don’t tank, they really ARE that bad.
GASoxFan
Do one better gr8one-
First round of draft, a pure lottery basis using the little machine balls. One team, one shot till all numbers pulled.
Comp balance round 1a- works same as now
Comp balance round 1b – worst team in each division takes a pick, ordered by overall record
Second round draft, best regular season record goes first.
Comp balance round 2a – works same as now
Comp balance round 2b – 2nd worst team in each division takes a pick, order based on overall record
Third round and onwards, works as now, worst to best in results.
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Know what that does?
You biggest bonus and best talent is 100% random chance, rd1. Then, rd1 Comp picks reward low revenue clubs first, and then bottom clubs who play in a crappy division and have higher win totals due to head to head play, even though they really aren’t close to as good as their record suggests.
You’re randomizing the top, allowing low budgets a pick, and jumpstarting poor performers. And if after 100 players or so are gone there’s some incentive to be worst in the league to get the first overall 3rd round pick…(which is like a 4th now) have at it!
JoeBrady
Give the first pick to the team with the best record not in the playoffs.
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So the worst teams continue to get worse?
chound
Let someone else run that experiment, pass on your thought.
Cosmo2
It doesn’t encourage tanking. Only fans obsess over draft position. Owners are smarter than that; draft position means very little in baseball. Teams “tank” for entirely different reasons.
bobtillman
Exactly. Teams “tank” to make money. Period, end of story. Every other explanation is Kool Aid.
iverbure
Mlb has better competitive balance than any other sport. Having a salary floor doesn’t stop tanking or anything else these simpletons are trying to stop. How do I know this? NBA and nhl has the same problem.
1984wasntamanual
Why do people like you assume that a team spending 100m is going to make them all that more interesting to watch? We know that spending more =/= automatically mean a better team and if you raise a floor like that, you’ll probably see some inflation in contracts, cancelling out even more of the “benefit” of spending.
The Baseball Fan (Doesn’t like the White Sox)
Oh, great… Now we’ll have even more of those comments and even articles of “[INSERT TEAM] is wrong because they refuse to exceed the tax threshold.”
greatd
Are the owners trying to be cheap or what?
The players union can’t possibly okay this right?
Why not put in penalties for teams that don’t “try” for once.
BuddyBoy
Setting a floor isn’t being cheap.
Deleted User
A tax for not reaching a floor is a penalty for teams that don’t try. What are you complaining about?
Cosmo2
Calling owners cheap is based on the faulty assumption that certain individual players are worth 300 million. They’re not. The expectations of player salaries are just way too high. Many teams just can’t afford multiple 20 million plus per year players and still fill out the rest of the team. They’re handing out million dollar annual salaries left and right, they’re not cheap.
Mazinger31
No way MLBPA goes for lowering the luxury tax to 180M, but I do like the idea of a salary floor. Dropping the tax by 30M is just a pure non-starter to any kind of negotiation imo. Maybe if they bump up the proposed luxury tax to 200M (10M under what it’s currently at) you could actually get a conversation started.
samthebravesfan
How are they going to force the cheap owners to put up all this cash?
ButchAdams
Loss of revenue sharing, forfeit draft picks, tac for under salary floor similar to overages on luxury tax
Michael Macaulay-Birks
Could avoid all this discussion if they just eliminated revenue sharing, if you can’t afford to own a baseball team you shouldn’t be allowed to
Birch
You would literally have to kiss half of the Majors goodbye then. Nobody could possibly run a team in many of these locations and survive.
2dmo4
Just impose a damn salary cap
Dunk Dunkington
Tried in 1994 and we know what happened.
iverbure
I love when simpletons say salary cap and they don’t know that’s exactly what the players have been bargaining against for literally decades.
walls17
I think the floor is too high and the cap is too low.
On another note, I guess the CBA talks are going to be public again just like last years start-up negotiations. I’m sure this will go well.
BuddyBoy
I think the luxury tax should be closer to $200M but I’m all over a salary floor as long as it takes into account some for of rolling scale of years. That way if a team rebuilds, it’s not forced to pay $$ just because. I’m saying maybe a 3yr average with penalties for not reaching.
bobtillman
Absolutely. A team that’s a mess should have some grace period to right the ship before they’re penalized, even if it’s only a year.
It’s the first salvo. We’ll see where it goes from here.
bigjonempire
Exactly, great idea.
Cosmo2
Rebuilding teams absolutely SHOULD be held to a salary floor. Purposely being worse shouldn’t ever be an option. That’s exactly what a salary floor should prevent.
iverbure
So there’s no tanking in nfl, nba and nhl. What’s that? Oh there is tanking in those other sports jimmy? Well obviously.
Cosmo2
Wut?
iverbure
A salary floor doesn’t stop tanking. All a salary floor does is make Chris Davis somehow valuable at the end of his contract. It’s quite clear baseball fans aren’t fans of other sports.
1984wasntamanual
Those leagues have a salary floor and they have tanking. It’s really not that hard to follow what he meant.
Cosmo2
Gotchya. Probably my fault in misunderstanding but I feel that it was worded a bit oddly. I see your point now.
StudWinfield
The lower ceiling could very well just be leverage for negotiating. Keep the accelerating and non $ penalties out of the equation and the bigger markets could be less adverse to paying the premium.
An actual floor would be nice but the whole “trade for a bad contract and prospects” approach may have limited effectiveness with the proliferation of no trade clauses.
Dunk Dunkington
That is my thought , the $180 million is not terrible if you remove the surcharges, draft picks penalty
First year over 25% and add 10% every year they are over the luxury tax.
Inside Out
These owners are so greedy and stupid. MLBPA should immediately stop any talks and say to the owners, get back to us after you get off the drugs
chound
You’ve just removed all doubt…
jonbluvin
I’ve read that the tax would be distributed to teams under the minimum threshold so they could spend up to it. My question is, what happens if no team is over the tax threshold? Where does the money come from to pay the cheap owners?
GASoxFan
Revenue sharing.
Altuves Buzzer
I love how in baseball folks will say “let’s balance out the playing field” and promote parody… Give everyone a chance… with a lot of those same folks against things like universal health care or tax sharing programs designed to promote jobs in their communities….it’s socialist, unless it benefits my ballclub, then it’s just fair
FletcherFan66
Bruh what
Benson
relax
CalcetinesBlancos
It’s “parity.”
Deleted User
No, he is actually promoting parody with that comment.
The Baseball Fan (Doesn’t like the White Sox)
And the Worst Comment of the Day Award goes to…
1984wasntamanual
People are far more willing to take and spend (tell people how to spend) other people’s money than they are their own. It’s not surprising that you’d see this.
Lloyd Emerson
Major League Baseball fans need to start planning now for what they’re going to do instead of watching MLB in 2022.
A.D. 37
Lloyd: I, for one, already have. I haven’t watched, listened to, or attended a game in two years. There are countless positive, beneficial things to do in life that are not total wastes of time (like pro sports have become).
66TheNumberOfTheBest
In order to get Bob Nutting to go along with this proposal, the other owners had to use the same tactic the rest of the A-Team used to get Mr. T on a plane.
Hard cap or don’t bother.
The Yankees, Red Sox, Dodgers will still just buy their way to contention and absorb any penalties.
bucsfan0004
What’s the penalty for Nutting not going over $100M? A slight reduction in whatever lux tax money LA gives them? Bottom line Bob will be fine with that.
panj341
If the penalty for not spending is at least 100% + then Nutting will just pay the penalty and pocket the difference.
bigdaddyk
They were at 90 million or more for 3 seasons when they had Andrew Gregory Walker Liarino Marte Martin Happ Burnett. They also broke the draft because of Bell.
bucsfan0004
They also traded away their entire farm system in search of Nutting’s white whale…. a $9M controllable starting pitcher
scudz
Waaa, the owners are cheap! It’s like in any business, the owners got to pay all the costs including when the players they signed don’t deserve the money they are getting…The players should be paid by their production or contracts shouldn’t be fully guaranteed like Football! Enough of the whining from these crybaby unions!
LordD99
An escalating soft cap floor makes sense since we have an escalating soft cap at the top, but the MLBPA won’t be agreeing to a decrease at the top. They’ll be looking for a significant increase. MLB knows that, so they start with a low number knowing they’ll be negotiations to set a higher top while establishing a new low.
The biggest obstacle here are the very low revenue teams. The high-revenue teams will no interest in funding low-revenue teams. Using the Rays as an example, further funding them makes little sense since they’ve done nothing to expand the revenue base in their own market. Part of this should require a rapid relocation to a new location in Tampa or relocation to a new city.
Pads Fans
The Rays are winning. Their TV ratings are very good compared to other markets. What is wrong there is an absolutely horrible stadium in an even worse location.
GASoxFan
Unfortunately that whole bad stadium bad location they did to themselves.
Atlanta used to have a HORRIBLE stadium location. I used to live there, it was 20 miles to the stadium and you could leave 2.5hrs before the game and miss the start. No fan base housing nearby. High crime. No supporting venues nearby for before/after games.
They could bite the bullet and make the switch they need. But even then, weather and activity alternatives come into play. Miami has similar problems, even if they were winning people just don’t want to go sit in the stadium there.
Chipsss
I donno..San Diego has great weather and endless great things to do near the park but they still draw well, even before this current streak of better play. I’m sure the mid city location helps just like it does the Giants, but I think there is a lot of community outreach in those places as well. I imagine it’s a combination of things that hurt the Rays. It’s really a shame
1984wasntamanual
Why would MLB owners want to set a higher top and establish a new low? That’s just going to drive inflation of contracts.
CalcetinesBlancos
It would also be good for players to not be stuck on bad teams with a minuscule team salary. I know winning isn’t everything to the players but it would have to be nice knowing every team has to be somewhat competitive and also open to giving out extensions in order to meet the spending floor. Especially if you’re an amateur worrying about getting drafted by a small market team.
Pads Fans
MLB just insulted the players. They took $320 million off the top and added $60 million at the bottom.
If this kind of bad faith offers is what the players can expect for the rest of the negotiations, then there won’t be a 2022 season.
Every team added over $70 million in revenue from the national TV deals and the percentage of capacity this season is higher than in past seasons. Even if that capacity was lowered by COVID. No team will be under $250 million in revenue for this year. Every team can afford to spend $125 million and as we have seen from the Padres, even small market teams with half the revenue of the Yankees and Dodgers can push payroll up to the $210 million CBT threshold from 2021.
Realistic counter offer? $230-240 million CBT Threshold for 2022 that goes up automatically each year by 3-5% and a $100 million minimum payroll.
Le Grande Orangerie
Strange definition of ‘insult’. Forcing teams to pay a minimum of $100M is an ‘insult’. Telling someone they’re stupid is an insult. Paying a floor of $100M isn’t.
Pads Fans
Incredible insult. If you JUST take 2021 into account and not the average, MLB just said “I will give you $100 million per year while taking away $320 million all while I am making $2.125 billion more each season from new national TV deals”.
Cosmo2
Typical fan “math”. Le Grande thinks they’re a MLB accountant, I guess.
TalkSomeSense
Pads
Check your math. With 12 teams under 100, your 60m figure would mean all 12 of those teams are at 95m which they are not. Looking at 2021 salaries it would add 300m.
Pads Fans
There are not 12 teams under $100 million by CBT measurements which is what MLB is using in this offer. There are 6. In 2018-2019 there were 4. This season it amounts to $101 million. This last CBA it has averaged $76 million with no season other than 2021 over $90 million and none under $60 million.
During this CBA lowering the CBT “luxury tax” threshold to $185 would have taken an average of $341 million off the table each season. This season it is $304 million.
So MLB is taking away $300+ million off the top while adding a max of $101 million to the bottom. That is a loss of potential player salaries of $200+ million.
All while MLB added $2.125 billion in additional revenue from new TV deals that started this season.
MLBPA had floated a $250 million CBT threshold in negotiations last season. While it was not a formal offer and it also included expanded playoffs, that is more realistic.
TalkSomeSense
No sure where you are getting your numbers
spotrac.com/mlb/payroll/
Pads Fans
Cots Baseball Contracts. legacy.baseballprospectus.com/compensation/cots/
Spotrac doesn’t give you CBT calculations which is what MLB is basing this on.
Unlimited Power
Define ‘bad faith’.
DarkSide830
keep the regular tax limits and add the $100 floor. shouldn’t be hard to get to $100.
iverbure
No. Lower the cap and make teams operate like the Rays all of them. You’d get a much better product.
A.D. 37
No cap, no floor. Let teams decide what to do with their own money, and let fans around the country respond by participating in that system if they want, or boycotting that system if they want. Rules are just there for PR purposes, and to be manipulated by the corrupt.
iverbure
Product would certainly be better if every team operate like the Rays that’s for sure.
Benson
theyve talked aboit this in the past dispursing tax threshold penalties to teams that have a low cap because they dont generate alot of money its flawed but i understand wanting to even the odds for more competitve baseball. 100 mil to 185 mil will close the gap significantly.
stymeedone
150MM to 210MM closes it even more!
Pads Fans
$150 million would mean a few teams would have to spend more than 50% of revenue on MLB payroll. That is not going to happen either.
With no team having revenue below $250 million for 2021, every single one can spend $125 million on salaries and stay at or under 50% of revenue on player payroll.
With total team revenue at an average of just over $350 million, the top 10 teams all over $400 million, and the top 2 teams over $600 million, there is no reason to not increase a luxury tax intended to only be paid by a handful of teams to closer to $250 million while making the bottom feeders fork over a minimum of $100 million.
stymeedone
If the Padres (contender) sheds $144MM to (a non-contender) Texas, I can definitely see where the Padres will be more likely to spend on FAs in the off-season, than Texas would be. Non-contenders are unlikely to pay big bucks. Give a contender room under the threshold, and they will spend to it. Rebuilders are not going to sign Joey Gallo to a long term, when he’s going to be 33 as they hopefully enter their window.
bravesfan
This is sort of a joke. Honestly, I say let it be a capitalistic market. We have to find a way to let these “small market teams” find ways to increase their fan base. Let them sink if they refuse to put a good product on the field or in the stadium. I truly have no problem with that. Let more teams open up in these “rich markets”…. Just let the dang thing run like a normal business.
Louholtz22
Hey, Bravesfan. Milwaukee was drawing more people or-near the top when ownership moved to Atlanta. They saw more growth there. Baseball is already dying. Weak overall tv ratings and too boring for kids. The other three major sports have it right. Shared tv cash and salary caps.
Chipsss
Baseball would be less boring if the kids were actually playing. It’s a really fun game to play and easy to find something you are good at in it, especially at a young age. So much damn screen time is taking away from some physical activities that take more time investment and baseball is one of them. It’s like how many people find watching golf to be worse than torture…until they try playing it a few times. It gives you a new appreciation for a skill that doesn’t have as many flashy moments in the way that football or basketball do. We have to get kids playing ball again, and then baseball will be ok
Halo11Fan
I’m a huge believer in capitalism, but MLB baseball doesn’t fit that model.
Have the Yankees play inter-squad games and charge fans. That’s capitalism. When they play the Royals, then you can’t call it capitalism.
You don’t have to buy a Whopper along with your Big Mac.
Cosmo2
Part of capitalism is its ability to bend and adjust itself to reality. Reality is that the economics of baseball involves competing entities relying on each other for profit. Whoppers and Big Macs don’t rely on each other; if one disappeared, the other would prosper. On the other hand, if the Yankees played intra-squad games only cuz the Royals folded, the Yankees would never make a profit. Your rigid idea of what capitalism is and isn’t is not only incorrect, but , if implemented, it would cause the entire sport to vanish. Punish owners for your ignorant crusade and the owners will have no incentive to invest and the sport will DISAPPEAR!
Halo11Fan
I’m saying baseball is different. Sports is different.
Cosmo2
Baseball isn’t different. Unless you think you’ll find billionaires willing to invest without being entitled to a cut of revenues as in other businesses. Spoiler: you won’t.
A.D. 37
Halo: As long as it’s well-intentioned Moral Capitalism, I’m on board.
HalosHeavenJJ
Thing is the big market clubs need teams to play. I’ve never paid just to watch the Angels hold a scrimmage.
That said, how can me make each of these games a little better? How can we incentivize a kid in Kansas City to fall in love with the Royals? Why should a family in Pittsburgh bother going to a game?
Baseball teams need each other. And the game needs fans. Small market teams extending a fan favorite or making a couple low key FA signings to make themselves competitive is a good thing.
CursedRangers
Agreed. I wish they would put a limit on the number of years a free agent can be signed for. Small market teams can’t afford for a 10 year contract to go south. When one does (which almost all of them do) the small market team is all but forced to field a crappy team. Getting rid of the albatross contracts would be a boon to the game. Smaller market teams could take more risk with a 4-5 year contract. Players would get paid in their prime. Annual salary rates would likely go up. If a player gets injured, it wouldn’t hamstring the team for years and years. The Chris Davis like contracts need to be addressed. It’s not good for the game or the fans.
Chipsss
That’s a hard sell though, because then you are severely limiting how much money a premium talent can make. This might push more kids away from baseball before the pros. I agree though that keeping homegrown stars on smaller teams is the most important thing for the sport. The trade deadline is exciting, but it’s better for turnout and interest if almost every team that comes through your local market has one or two recognizable, talented players. Like how I am sure many casual fans turned out when they Angels came through town this year to see Ohtani (poor Giants fans though, ohtani getting stuck in bay bridge traffic and all)
ludafish
You could get the players to agree to a limit on years of contracts or even how large they are with a simple thing. Better wages the moment you’re signed.
A first round pick gets a good bonus. Then what? Several years usually of making garbage money traveling across rural areas (compared to where the big teams are) by bus. And what about the second rounders and beyond?
The answer to all of that is the big contracts. They are so big because most large contracts have been “pay me for what I’ve done” rather than “pay me for what I will do”
Kyler Murray showed everyone the truth. He went to the NFL and made absolute bank fast and is already a face of the franchise. He may JUST be getting called up in Oakland.
Same with arbitration. Players try to make all they can for three years because for those years your own team is trying to explain why you aren’t worth what you want.
The whole system is garbage unless you’re considered top tier first round talent.
Fix the system and contracts and attitudes will change.
Ronk325
If there are owners who have an issue with a $100 million floor it’s time for them to sell their teams. At casinos they have tables with a $5 minimum and tables with a $100 minimum. Maybe these owners need to go back to the $5 tables where they belong
Chipsss
Those 5 dollar tables are getting hard to find though!
Ronk325
There’s plenty of other ventures these cheap owners can take up outside of baseball. This is MLB, if you aren’t prepared to spend money to compete, take a hike
A.D. 37
Ronk: It’s their money. They can choose to pocket it, or buy free agents, or whatever they think is best for their own interests.
Louholtz22
Well, my Brewers better win the WS this year or in the next few. 100 million payroll isn’t feasible for a small market team, especially if they aren’t winning. Little TV money in Wisconsin. I have an idea. Why doesn’t MLB give TV rights to teams in cities with no baseball? An example, the Brewers get Salt Lake City, etc
Pads Fans
The Brewers are looking at revenue of about $280 million for 2021. It won’t go down in 2022. They can afford to field a team that is $135-140 million and still stay at or under 50% of revenue in player payroll.
Rsox
Because those markets do belong to other teams. I imagine Utah probably gets Rockies and Diamondbacks games pumped through on cable. When i lived in Arkansas years and years ago they had both St.Louis Cardinals and Texas Rangers games on local tv
Omarj
Changing the floor is a must in baseball. Too many teams take advantage of the current landscape. Add the fact that certain stadiums are below par. This forces baseball to look at different ownership and markets to improve the operations and investment into their products. As for the salary cap, MLB has a ton of stipulations, i.e. tenure, arbitration, etc which can complicate things. Not sure if i agree with AAV. 210 for luxury tax is fine for now, but the floor should start at 85-90 going up, dependent on projected revenue etc. Trading draft picks plus more spending can lead to some bad decision-making. Which happens, but it’ll force a learning curve and a change that MLB needs. Maybe add another roster spot.
Rsox
MLB wants to start the tax penalties $30 million dollars sooner but wants a $100 million dollar minimum payroll for all 30 teams? All this will do is lower Major League salaries as most teams want to avoid the first threshold now, let alone with $30 fewer million before the penalty
It’s going to be a very long winter
Halo11Fan
I know of one owner that doesn’t believe there will be a spring training.
That’s three years in a row these spring training sites are going to get screwed.
However, I think he believes they’ll work it out, for whatever that is worth.
Albert Belle's corked bat
Example: My Ray’s. … They try and build. 1st place but fans still don’t show up. Fans haven’t showed up for years to see them play. Where do the Ray’s stand with the above arguments?
GASoxFan
Relocation.
azcrook
The $180 million is just a starting point for negotiating…..as the Players counter….the MLB will counter etc…..$200-$210 will probably be the final figure after all of the trades and compromises.
Pads Fans
The CBT threshold was $210 million for 2021. That was considered laughably low when the top teams have revenue over $600 million and can pay $300 million in player salaries and still stay under 50% of revenue.
A good starting point would have been a touch higher than $210 million and then negotiate UP from there.
TalkSomeSense
So MLB is going to ” start” negotiations at existing levels AND add a floor of 100m . Yeah ok.
The union would love having you across the table.
Cosmo2
Where are you getting these numbers from Pads fan? Your posterior? You do realize that owners have bills other than just player salaries? This is exactly the type of of over simplified economic ignorance required to hold this whole “players good, owners evil” mentality. A mentality that would eliminate the entire industry from existing if implemented. The owners will just walk away from the table if presented with this absurdity.
Halo11Fan
Is there anyone who disagrees with a floor? 100 million sounds reasonable.
Leave the luxury tax threshold as is.
Louholtz22
I don’t agree with 100 million at all. There’s no tv money in small markets. Good attendance only goes so far
HalosHeavenJJ
With the current revenue sharing system they could already have a $100 million floor.
Halo11Fan
If you want other owners to give you their profits, then a minimum salary is reasonable. But I’m glad some people feel differently..
dave 2
Lol. So you think MLB is pushing their franchises into debt? You’ve believed the small market Tears too much.
Pads Fans
With the increases in the new national TV deals and the current revenue sharing no team will have less than $250 million in revenue for 2021. Every team can afford $100 million as a minimum now.
A.D. 37
Lou: So let the small markets die off. Lessons will be learned. Then maybe others who, God forbid, actually possess moral compasses can try again later.
gdjohnson
A salary cap/floor will only work if MLB shares all revenues between the 30 teams, which will never happen
Halo11Fan
They do share revenues. They don’t split all revenues even.y, and they shouldn’t.
Skeptical
A salary cap with monetary penalties is comparable to parking tickets for the superrich, I.e. virtually meaningless. The rich teams will just see any monetary penalty as a cost of doing business. Make it meaningful, have a hard cap and hard floor, take away draft picks, etc.
MLBPA would do well to start representing all MLB players instead of the elite and negotiate a much higher minimum salary. They would even do better by becoming the “Professional Ball Players Association” and working for higher wages and better conditions for minor league players. Unfortunately, MLBPA is overly concerned with what the elite players make. They probably believe in some weird “trickle down” theory.
To all those who like to jump on Nutting, remember that the Pirates under Nutting had figured out a way to compete by spending more on the draft. Unfortunately, that was viewed as unfair by the rich and MLB moved to limiting what clubs can spend on the draft.
socalbum
With MLB franchises continuing to increase in value, even during a pandemic, this is an insulting offer that should be rejected out of hand. Borderline bad faith bargaining
Halo11Fan
Do you own a house? Should your mortgage payments go up when the house increases in value. Thank God I don’t pay full property tax value on my house, otherwise i’d have to sell.
It doesn’t matter what they can sell the team for. I have no idea why this is such a difficult concept for people.
Pads Fans
MLB’s REVENUE has gone up. $2.25 billion per season starting in 2021.
Cosmo2
And salaries go up every year. What’s your point? Also you have to account for a little thing called inflation but that already seems like it would take the conversation over your head.
Halo11Fan
I don’t want to get into how much profit a team makes every year. I have no clue. But a team should not have to lose money every year. The value of the team is not nearly as relevant as the profit margins.
If teams are gaining value, which they are, then it’s ok to lose a small amount of money every year. But salaries should still be based on margins.
HalosHeavenJJ
The floor is a long needed idea and one that is easily doable without any major changes to the CBA.
As is, all teams put 48% of their local revenue into one pot and take an equal 3.3% out. So the big market teams lose on this and the big market teams win. Add in the money MLB allocates to each team for national TV rights, MLB Network, etc, and each team walks away from revenue sharing with far more than $100 AND they still get 52% of local revenue.
The problem is guys like Nutting pocketing the revenue sharing money instead of spending it on players. It sucks for the players and I’d be pissed if I was a big market owner.
I’d actually push the floor to $120 million and scale the national money in comparison to local TV deals, giving the smaller teams who need it a little more and the behemoths who don’t need it less.
justacubsfan
Except 90% of teams will treat luxury tax as a cap… dumb, dumb, dumb. The 100MM floor is ludicrous.
1) Non-gameplay changes: institute a draft for IFA that runs concurrently with MLB draft.
2) league should remove the luxury tax/have no floor
3) incentivize winning by giving teams that make the playoffs an extra 2 picks in The new International draft as well as the usa draft. Top tier: It would be somewhere between the comp balance pick A + comp balance pick B rounds base tier: after comp balance B. Top tier for teams that make the CS round, base tier for those that make playoffs (WC and DS, but not CS)
The other pick could be for all playoff teams after say the 6th round
4) increase the active roster size from 26 to 30.
5) change how long team retains control. Remove the tender contract years to every year = arbitration after service time of 1 year. Teams retain a maximum of 4 arbitration years, thus the new alignment is 1 year potentially of Tender contract, 4 years of Arb, and free agency after that.
6) institute a strict cap figure for each draft slot (thus removing over/underslot deals and hopefully give the players more firm #’s to go off of.
7) market + promote the game of baseball a lot more to kids
Gameplay changes:
1) institute league wide DH
2) keep 3 batter minimum
3) potentially give a # of pitching changes allowed per game like soccer has substitutions (not saying the same number, but explore)
4) BAN the shift completely
5) institute a (quicker)pitch clock (technically they have one now but it’s informal)
6) allow 1 step out per at bat
justacubsfan
I Forgot, also would like to see/Allow draft picks to be traded.
LostInTraslation
Wow. You’re a bad idea machine.
2 / 3 would kill small market teams
5 would kill the player middle class
6 would remove a fair strategy
Gameplay:
3 doesn’t change the pace of play it just limits the amount of relief pitchers
4 the shift is a strategy. Batters should overcome it
Also you say less pitching changes but also 30 players per team AND a DH. That doesn’t make any sense. Let’s say you get 4 relief pitchers per game and they can pitch every other game. That’s 8 relief guys to go with your 9 players and 5 starters. That’s 22. You dont really need too many bench bats with a DH so maybe 4. That’s 26. So you have 4 guys that just kind of hang out?
A.D. 37
Cubs Fan: Your business ideas seem at first glance to be brilliant! (Your gameplay suggestions suck).
Datashark
With all these taxes here with MLB, thus look more like Democrat policies.
dave 2
Good to know just how many tens of millions of dollars small market teams have been putting in their pockets while crying poverty.
bigdaddyk
Hockey as a floor and teams scream poverty. They literally trade players who on ltr long term injury list and will not play anymore to teams so they can reach the floor.
Baseball needs 8 playoff spots not 5. Only one small market team has won a World Series in 30 years. They need to be able to trade picks and share tv deals. The dodgers getting the 2nd best short stop for free at the deadline and taking price contract to get betts because of their tv deal killed baseball for this small market Pirates fan.
Unlimited Power
Royals ‘15 Cardinals ‘11 &’06 Marlins ‘03 & ‘97 Twins ‘91. 6>1?
LostInTraslation
Cards and Royals aren’t small market. They have a ton of territory
Indiana, Tennessee, Kentucky, Missouri, Mississippi, Arkansas, Iowa, Kansas, Nebraska. I know people forget about them but these places do have people.
Miami isnt small either but the fans of the fins have been jerked around too much by ownership.
The Twins are definitely small market
Unlimited Power
Define ‘small market’.
CluHaywood
They have a hard cap in Hockey…
Cosmo2
dave, how do you know how much money is going into these so-called “pockets”? An awful lot of arm chair accountants around here…. Plus, when someone invests 2 billion, they’re gonna want large profits. How do you get someone to invest that cash under the premise that they don’t deserve large revenues? Answer: you won’t, and bye bye baseball.
Datashark
Looking at this statement:
Twelve teams (Pirates, Indians, Marlins, Orioles, Rays, Mariners, Tigers, A’s, Royals, Rangers, Diamondbacks and Brewers) entered the 2021 season with an actual payroll below $100MM
This salary base may cause adverse affects on teams and might see something like A’s moving to Las Vegas as an example.
Pads Fans
Its based on CBT calculations, not start of season MLB payroll. Only 6 teams were below $100 million for 2021. Typically it has been 4 during this CBA.
A'sfaninUK
Why on earth would that have anything to do with it? Las Vegas is not getting a MLB team, ever. The A’s are staying in Oakland no matter what. Let it go.
whyhayzee
I like both ideas, having a floor and lowering the threshold. But, I would use a different approach:
First, I would figure out the average team salary for a given year and use that as 1.00. Then, I would chose the middle 20 teams and establish the range in those teams salaries. Let’s say that went from 0.60 to 1.50, admittedly I’m making up these numbers. Then I would look at the bottom five and the top five as a guideline for where to set the floor and threshold. But, I would not set specific amounts for the threshold(s), rather I would have the tax rate be related to the total payroll on a continuous basis. For example, a $200 million dollar payroll pays 20%, $218 M pays 21.8%, 275M pays 27.5% (again, I’m making up numbers here). I would not change the percent, it would remain constant, no extra punishment and no “relief”, except when payroll actually changes. Over time, the percent can be adjusted for time value of money changes. I’m not sure how to handle below the floor teams. It could be reasonable for a team to be below the floor (mostly young players) and why should they be told how to spend their money? That said, maybe not just hand them the money. Maybe it can be earmarked into their marketing efforts.
My main points are a more sensible approach to floors and threshold and a continuously changing tax rate rather than these arbitrary amounts. And targeted use for the monies.
Matt_Angel_Bronco_Laker
I’d prefer to see hard cap at $200M and a floor cap at $100M. No luxury tax.
HawaiiPhil2020
Max 275 and min 125 or sell your team
1984wasntamanual
Yeah, I’m sure the owners would be stoked to agree to a deal that looks to inflate contract costs that much. There are so many awful takes on this thread.
JoeBrady
Why not just make it $250M/$500M?
In fact, why not just have the owners sign over the team to the players?
Dorothy_Mantooth
Keep the first tax line at $210M and institute a floor. What I’d really like to see is a maximum contract length of 6-7 years. No more of these 10-12 year, ridiculous contracts just to sign the top Free Agent. As an offset, let the players get to free agency earlier. No more service time garbage. If a player gets called up to the majors for 20 games or more (except in Sept with roster expansion) that counts as a full year of service time. College players should be free agents after 6 years in the system (or 4 years in MLB) and high school players should have 8 years of control, with the same 4 years in MLB after which they become free agents. This would allow them to sign 2 FA deals in their careers.
Goose
The luxury tax (ceiling) has been effective since they tied it to losing draft picks. The question they need to answer is how to prevent a team not spending at all over years. Maybe they need a basement in reverse. A team can only be under a certain threshold so long before they start losing picks.
terrbeargray
6 years team control
Arbitration from year two
First 2 years restricted free agency.
A'sfaninUK
$100M floor? The A’s are a shoo in for like 100 titles in a row now LMAO
Forced to extend Olson at gunpoint, we love to see it haha
zacharydmanprin
If MLB is going to insist on a salary floor they are going to have to subsidize the poor teams who don’t want or need to spend that much. If the Rays and A’s can be successful without blowing out their own budget – why should they have to spend an arbitrary 20% more on payroll? Are they really going to penalize a team for not overpaying players to meet the floor? Do they have to add ages overpriced free agents rather than bring up a young player from AAA that can grow?
bucincharlotte
If you don’t have a hard cap it’s useless. Every sport has a salary cap and MLB should be the same!
If the Yankees and Dodgers are going to spend 250 million why should the other owners spend 100 million if all they are going to do is just compete enough to finish .500.
GASoxFan
Look at the giants getting in as a wild card and winning the world series.
Once you get to October anything can happen. That’s what your team plays for.
Patrick OKennedy
As the article points out, the current penalties make the CBT a defacto salary cap. Only one team, the Dodgers, had a payroll above the tax threshold as of opening day. Every other team, including the Yankees, was under the tax threshold.
KD17
Patrick – Opening day payroll levels don’t matter. The cap works on 28 of the 30 teams in baseball with NYY and LAD doing as they see fit regardless of a 20% penalty or a 50% penalty. They take the tax out of their massive profits and smile for the camera as they win the championship or they go home and say shucks at least we tried maybe next year. The money is never an issue.
The cap doesn’t work for all teams. It’s that simple. Beyond the big two there are another half dozen teams that may exceed the cap during a good year to compete with the big two. Houston, Boston, Chicago and a few others have the finances to do it if the owners are willing to take less profits that year. The rest can’t get to the cap without losing money.
Is that an effective cap in your mind? The CBT is like a yield sign when a stop sign is needed.
Patrick OKennedy
I fully understand the difference. I’m referring to the CBT payroll as of opening day. Not what we typically call “opening day payroll”. Cot’s doesn’t update that number during the season, but it’s the correct number as of that date.
The Yankees were under the CBT tax threshold as of opening day.
An effective cap? If the goal is to stop teams from spending on salaries, which it is- then yes. It’s doing what the owners intended it to do.
When the current CBA was adopted, there were six teams with payrolls above the tax threshold. Every one of them got under within one season. As of opening day this year, the Dodgers were the only team over the tax threshold. It’s not leak proof, but as the article says, it’s acting like a defacto salary cap.
As I posted earlier, I’d make it a dollar for dollar tax at 250M and below 100M.
KD17
Patrick – Do you seriously think a cap has any impact on LAD and NYY? Why? It’s been exceeded by NYY almost every year. The Dodgers NEW investors have proven to not give a damn it about since they stole Mookie. The profits are in the hundred millions and the penalty for a team being at the second threshold is less than what Boston paid to JBJ to not hit but simply play the best defensive CF in baseball $11M).
Teams that can pay $250M can also pay $350M so the tax doesn’t work at the highest level of your suggestion. I’m familiar with multiple sources for payroll information and focusing on a date is insignificant except the day the tax is levied towards the end of the season. Until then teams can add and subtract payroll for the year.
The term cap in the case of baseball is misleading because like I mentioned it’s more like a yield sign than a stop sign. It needs to be a stop sign. Or if it can’t be a stop sign it should be a no additions after you reach this level sign. If the cap is $210 and you are over I believe the commissioner needs to step in if that team wants to add a contract. They first need to divest themselves of enough contracts to be under the cap and then if they want to exceed they get one contract and that’s all. That way a team $10M over the cap can’t sign Cole for $35M after it’s over the cap. If they are at $200M then they can sign Cole but nobody else. Last year, in a shortened season, the Yankees added several players after exceeding the cap. This year BOTH NYY and LAD violated the sanctity of the cap by adding payroll after already being over the threshold(s).
So I like what you are trying to do but I don’t see it as any more effective than what’s being done now. The cap must be a hard cap.
On the down side, Marge Schott and other small market owners often treated their baseball organization like a sole proprietorship where payroll could be suppressed to add profits or payroll could be expanded to compete for championships. That type of approach is what triggers many to suggest a floor. For me, that speaks to the clash between tradition and competitiveness. Some team owners can’t compete financially because the ball club is more of a family possession than a business. Are those owners good for baseball? Originally they were but now I think is a time to fix the competitive balance problem so the family needs to have a banker with enough wherewithal to sit at the poker game with the same stakes as the other clubs.
I suggest the game change and be more like a poker game with a set buy-in and no additional monies available. Change your minimum to a higher buy-in level so the players association still sees comparable total money spent on players and NYY and LAD lose their edge and teams like Pittsburgh have a renewed chance at winning. That way by fixing the buy-in the revenue sharing can be equal so everyone gets a piece of the pie and is self sustaining. It’s not an option to not use your buy-in. If you end up short then your portion of the pie gets reduced. I believe that’s consistent with one of your comments in the blog.
Unfortunately, nobody is prepared to back such an equity driven proposal. The power brokers of the industry will kill the suggestion before it can gather any momentum. It’s like I suggested – the big market teams will pretend a number is so high they won’t violate it and then they will as soon as the need comes up. The higher floor may bankrupt some teams but that’s not necessarily a bad thing. I’d prefer to see family owned businesses that can’t meet the buy-in find baseball fans with money who are willing to take a piece of the buy=in for a comparable share of the revenue sharing.
A buy-in or hard cap are the only ways to make the competitive balance more equitable. I think we agree on that. I hope it can happen but I think the Orioles have a better chance of a ring this year than the big market owners agreeing to either a buy-in approach or a HARD cap.
Patrick OKennedy
“Do you seriously think a cap has any impact on LAD and NYY? Why?”
Yes. Both teams held off spending to get below the cap as soon as the current CBA went into effect. Every free agent player that can sign for at least 25 teams for $ 100 will cost the Dodgers $ 192 today. They pay in the draft. If Corey Seager signs with another team after rejecting a QO, they get a supplemental fourth round pick.
No, it’s not a stop sign, but the MLBPA has been so adamantly opposed to a salary cap since 1994 and they’ve been willing to die on that hill. So I think a dollar for dollar tax is about the most restrictive that you can get. The players have gradually surrendered, bit by bit, a competitive balance tax that does nothing to restore balance and has become a defacto salary cap in every case but one. If it wasn’t there, both the Dodgers and Yankees, and probably several more teams would be spending more on salaries.
Has spending worked for the Dodgers and Yankees? Zero championships in 10 years, until LA finally got one in 2020- barely beating the Rays.
A hard cap without revenue sharing just puts more profits into the pockets of big market owners. Revenue sharing without a floor puts money into pockets of frugal owners.
A salary floor would do a lot to improve competitive balance. Ironically, the players have cringed at the suggestion, since it’s always tied to a salary cap.
Whether we get a salary floor- or any of the other reforms that benefit players- will depend largely on how much of a priority it is on the players wish list. We know what the owners want. They want expanded playoffs and the MLBPA to drop their grievance. They’re not going to get that for just a universal DH, but how much of the players’ wish list is granted depends on how they bargain.
I agree that the current CBT is not a cap, technically, but it operates as a defacto cap, partly by owners’ choice and partly by deterrent. A tax on the lower end of the scale is technically not a floor, either. But if it’s dollar for dollar with other penalties mixed in, they’re going to pay the money anyway, so might as well get some good players.
I used opening day just because those are the figures that are readily available at Cot’s contracts.
Barkerboy
DOA. That is all.
ludafish
180 million as the first hit of luxury tax? Nah. Sorry. Im a Marlins fan and even I don’t agree with that. At the end of the day the rich teams get to spend. I believe there should be a cap or tax but not that low. That’s why there is revenue sharing and the competitive balance picks.
Now a salary floor? Absolutely. Especially as a Marlins fan I’m down for one. But I don’t think it will happen because they need to find a number that is fair and still guarantees the owners to make money (let’s be real it’s a business they want to win and make money). Maybe 100M is too much. Maybe every team blows by 100 every year. I don’t know. But if every team is making at least 100MM a year then it should be like 75-80 minimum.
Either way there should absolutely be some sort of minimum.
If the Marlins actually spent some money with the talent we have accrued then we could actually have fun august baseball again.
Rsox
The problem is you’re telling a team that has a $50 million dollar payroll to double their spending by league mandate. Forcing them to over spend for players they probably don’t want and on players that probably don’t want to be there. If anything instead of a floor penalize teams for not using their revenue sharing dollars on payroll by reducing the percentage year by year for teams that don’t spend.
Patrick OKennedy
Fine. If you don’t have a $100 million payroll, you get no revenue sharing. How’s that?
Rsox
Thats better but i don’t think forcing teams to spend where they normally wouldn’t is the answer. If you told the Marlins four years ago they would have to offer at least two players $25 million dollar per year contracts by league mandate they probably never would have traded Stanton or Yelich
ludafish
The 100M was just an example.
My point is to have a salary floor they need to find one that makes sense. As I said maybe a 100MM salary floor is way too much for some teams. Maybe all teams could actually afford 100MM with no issues.
The problem is teams will never open their books. But in theory let’s say they create a number that basically guarantees profit. Let’s say that’s $80 million a year. Because basically even if you have a bad season you will make $110 million. Yeah people don’t buy teams to “profit” 30MM but that’s motivation to compete.
My point is you have to find the right number. Maybe every year it changes you have to stay around it and hit it by the next (and can never be more than 10% below it).
But there should be a floor. Even with the Marlins being bad this year the games are livelier than ever (even in the pandemic)(and yes go ahead insert Marlins attendance joke. But they would NEVER draw 5k on a Tuesday and they are hitting 15k plus on weekends with good teams and about 11k with whoever) and I’m sure they are making some money. There is no excuse to not spend this year.
Rsox
Theoretically you’re not wrong. The $100 mil marker was MLB’s idea and i just don’t see it. Perhaps a floor at or around $75 million could work. Its a slight increase in payroll for teams like the Marlins, Pirates, Rays, and whoever else isn’t spending
craigin805
I’ll just get my popcorn and watch the two sides duke it out. They both need each other too much to let it last longer than the middle of March.
mets1536
There Shouldn’t be a Luxury Tax or Any Penalties…. Players Union is Not Going To Go Backwards
MarlinsFanBase
This is a start. I am all in for a Cap & Floor system. Long overdue. I hope that both sides can come to an agreement that involves this.
And of course, let’s make the DH official in both leagues.
padam
Owners would agree to this? Kind of find that hard to believe. Rays need to spend more than they are currently and the Dodgers get banged up for more lux tax dollars? Feels as if MLB is trying to be the NBA.
Rsox
And thats a problem. The NBA spends like they print their own money, and maybe thats easier to do when you only have to pay 11 players on each team. We went through the hyper spending super team days in the late 90’s/early 00’s and while it worked for a while (’98-00 Yankees,’97 Marlins,’01 Diamondbacks) it stopped working when all of a sudden guys like Jaret Wright and Carl Pavano were getting big money deals.
$180 million dollar tax threshold would leave the Dodgers with less than $14 million in available payroll next season before arbitration and before hitting the tax penalty. I can’t see the owners going for that let alone the players union
ludafish
Why do the 97 Marlins keep getting accused with being a super team that bought a world series?
They ended 1996 with a 30 million payroll and ended 1997 with a 52 million payroll. At the time that was the 5th largest in the league and the 12th was at 46 million. The Yankees had over 70 million with BAL behind them.
The Marlins have never spent for a win. They have only spent to fail.
Rsox
Because the additions of Bobby Bonilla, Moises Alou, Alex Fernandez, Dennis Cook, Jim Eisenrich, John Cangelosi, Cliff Floyd, Darren Daulton, Ed Vosberg, and Craig Counsell a year after adding Kevin Brown, Al Leiter, and Devon White. Coupled with Wayne Huizenga, who basically admitted to buying a championship to try to leverage a new stadium and when it didn’t work sold off every player he could says they bought a World Series
advplee
So you’re going to force Tampa Bay, one of the best, if not the best run organization in all of Major League baseball to spend more money needlessly? it’s not always about money. it’s about utilizing talent and maximizing what you have.
MarlinsFanBase
To be fair, perhaps if the Rays were to spend a little more, they might be forced to get that final piece needed to win the World Series. Not that more money guarantees anything.
advplee
you’re assuming that more money equals more success. Baltimore has been terrible for years and their payrolls a lot of years are very high. look at the current Yankees. they’re not very good and they spend a fortune. and my favorite example is the New York Mets. I love watching them spend money and then have their fans have to suffer through another third or fourth place finish. as a Braves fan it warms my heart.
Ronk325
You might want to check the standings if you think the Yankees aren’t good
whyhayzee
Can you imagine if the Cubs and Rangers sent their players to the Rays for free? yankee fans would crap birds.
Cincyfan85
Hoping this happens…
Deleted_User
Shrek: Yeah, like that’s ever gonna happen! *flush*
Deleted Userrr
some BODY ONCE TOLD ME
Yep it is
First thing they need to do is tell the owners spend it or we sell the team. Nobody buys the team goes away. I am a life king Royals fan and now live in Az. Both teams are ridiculous CHEAP. Mr. Kaufman who originally owned the Royals was all about winning. Since he passed and it went to The Glass Family of WalMart they have been cheap. Now the new owner needs to step up and prove himself. Also the D-Backs need to sell. Ken Kendrick is only worried about getting another stadium. Seriously have you been to Chase field. Love it. He NEEDS TO GO and take his cheap ways with him. Not saying either should lose $$$ but this is ridiculous.
JoeBrady
The Glass Family of WalMart they have been cheap
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FWIW, on the LAD have been to more WS than KC over the past 8 years, and no one has won more WSC over that time period.
And in 2014, when they went to the WS, they were #25 in attendance. For all the complaints about the big market teams, part of their success is the fact that their fans attend all the games.
StL and the Cubs regularly draw 3M fans, and you need an armed escort to get to the game. In KC, you probably don’t need much more than Tec-9
JohnJasoJingleHeimerSchmidt
I had no issues getting to Busch Stadium, and we took two little kids. Traffic could get a bit gnarly, but we never felt unsafe or threatened.
Kansas City is ten times worse than Busch, mostly because the stadium complex is tucked between two major interstates (435 & 70).
Chris Koch
Don’t see this idea working at all. You have to keep the higher tax threshold as it stands today and increase it modestly over time. The payroll floor though should be used. That lower lux tax threshold and that floor would force FA players to accept contracts on teams they wouldnt want to play for (right Justin Turner?) Because the threshold was exceeded by so much already by LAD.
Also just think if players reach Arb earlier, that increases the teams below 100m payroll by quite a bit putting them closer to that floor. So FAs aren’t being ponied money to come play for team and those big markets reached that tax threshold awhile ago. Going to be taking less on payday to accomodate both sides.
Deleted Userrr
The owners would never allow a salary floor without a salary cap. And a salary cap would hurt the MLBPA more than a salary floor would help them.
2012orioles
Wake me up when it’s over
Peart of the game
For a potential punishment for not reaching the salary floor, teams that fail to reach said floor would have their first round draft pick(s) moved back five spots, 10 if $10 million below salary floor.
Patrick OKennedy
I propose
Over $250 million payroll- Dollar for dollar tax on the overage
$225-250M- 50% tax on the overage
$125- 225M- no tax
$100- 125M- 50% tax on the shortage
Under 100M- dollar for dollar tax on the shortage
In addition, teams paying any tax are ineligible for competitive balance draft picks, or compensation picks for losing free agents. Get rid of teams PAYING compensation for signing free agents altogether.
Important- the only revenue stream that pays immediate dividends for winning is gate receipts. Mainly ticket sales and concessions. yet all teams have to give up 48 percent of those revenues, reducing the incentive to win. Teams that receive revenue sharing because of market size should keep a larger share- on a scale from 60 to 90 percent of ticket sales. That would increase the incentive to win. Half of all local TV revenues still shared.
Between the increased TV revenue, increase revenue from expanded playoffs, and increased ticket revenue, any added cost for making the salary floor would be fully offset.
And index the thresholds and the minimum salary along with gross revenues so that salaries keep pace with MLB revenue.
99socalfrc
Put in a hard cap of $210 million.
Allow teams that trade players and send cash with them to exclude the cash from their cap number.
Done.
balloonknots
It’s about time! Who wants to watch pirates vs Phillies – what a joke. Fans want competitive balance
balloonknots
Imagine a baseball world where every team has to keep some their star players a long time not all over 30 players sold to the 6 evil empires. Fun for all markets what a novel idea. It’s worked in the nfl – America’s true sport
1984wasntamanual
Most of those over 30 players are already or soon will decline.
Also…this just isn’t the case. Below is the top 10 biggest contracts for active players (Arod’s deals were 9th and 11th on all time). There are 8 teams (or 9 if you want to count MIA signing Stanton) represented in that list.
1. Mike Trout, $426,500,000 (2019-30)
2. Mookie Betts, $365,000,000 (2021-32)
3. Francisco Lindor, $341,000,000 (2022-31)
4. Fernando Tatis, $340,000,000 (2021-34)
5. Bryce Harper, $330,000,000 (2019-31)
6. Giancarlo Stanton, $325,000,000 (2015-27)
7. Gerrit Cole, $324,000,000 (2020-28)
8. Manny Machado, $300,000,000 (2019-28)
9. (10) Nolan Arenado, $260,000,000 (2019-26)
10 (12) Miguel Cabrera, $248,000,000 (2016-23)
mario crosby
It’s one thing to propose a salary floor. It’s another for the owners to actually agree to it in the end. This is just posturing.
KD17
I don’t believe the competitive balance tax should carry that name because it’s not accurate. The big market teams (2) one on each coast have proven that the tax is not a disincentive to spending. And frankly, why would it be if PROFITS not REVENUE exceeds the tax by a factor of 10 or higher.
Does it work on small market teams? Sure because many teams can’t break even spending over $100M. Why is that? Smaller fan base and a lower percentage of seats filled. What causes the teams to have less seats filled? Teams that don’t win because they can’t afford the best players like the big market teams. It’s a vicious downward spiral that only gets reversed if an outstanding draft happens and for 6 years you have talent. Then the talent will move to the big market team like Lindor and so many others..
The entire paradyme favors the big market teams because when baseball was just beginning the power was in the hands of the big teams. It should be no surprise that from 1920 to 1962 one team won half the World Series. Their available spending was 10 to 100 times as much as the competitors. In business that’s a monopoly. In baseball that is the Yankees.
Fortunately, after 1962 the Yankees became inept in using their excessive money to win championships which allowed small market teams to win and other big market teams to win. The key to baseball being competitive is the ineptitude of those with money. The Yankees spent close to $300M in 2020 and followed in 2021 with what appeared to be a respect for the cap but at the trade deadline they said the heck with it and spent well beyond the cap because they could.! Will the move hurt them financially? NO. Why? Because by making the playoffs the added merchandising, TV money and parking/concessions will pay for RIzzo and Gallo. Smart move? You bet. Fair to others who don’t make comparable profits or can’t spend close to the Yankees? NO.
Competitive balance should happen in sports but since sports are now big business the level of competition takes a backseat to the profitability of the industry. It’s normal economics driving teams like NYY and LAD to spend $100M more than the other big market teams and $200M more than the small market teams. The key to keeping the game interesting will be the success of the front offices of two ball clubs. If the Yankees get their act together we could see similar results to 1920 to 1962. If LAD is able to steal elite players from big market teams like the Red Sox then the inequity in baseball will continue to grow. If it weren’t for injuries and COVID the Yankees and Dodgers would be in every World Series going forward.
The new CBA will do as it has in the past. The small market teams will scream for more equity in spending and the big market teams will compromise at a number that can be exceeded easily when they need something to win. The penalties are inconsequential because the money won’t dent the annual profits and taking draft picks from a team that can pay for a superstar to replace that spot is once again a matter of money so it’s inconsequential.
The only way this sport gets turned back into a sport is to redesign the infrastructure of the industry allowing teams to have access to comparable payrolls and the big market teams will never let that happen. So the new CBA will contain a taxation system that might appear to improve the situation but won’t because certain organizations make so much profit that violating the cap isn’t worth a second thought. They’ll do it to win. It’s not about being a fair sport it’s about winning at all costs and some are better equipped to handle all costs!!
MrAngelFan
Seems like socialism. Thanks Obama.
Dorothy_Mantooth
What they need to do is exclude player benefits from the CBT calculation. That alone counts as $15M per team per year against the CBT threshold. If they remove player benefits and up the first tax bracket to $200M with annual escalators then they might be able to swing a deal. Under this proposal, teams could only spend $165M in salary before they hit the first tax level if they don’t remove benefits from the calculation. That is way too low. The $100M floor is a good idea but that is going to be manipulated somehow for sure.
batman123
Do hard cap like the NHL if less money players just make less
dmarcus15
Baseball is it own worst enemy. All the other major sports league have a Cap to keep the league competitive and the MLB doesn’t get it. You have 5 teams that gobble up every big free agent and there isn’t really any ramifications for going over the luxury tax. They should be taking high draft pick away for going over it make it hurt besides monetarily.
Basballfanno1
They need a cap that u can’t go
Over if u do u pay 3000% tax on the dollar
KD17
Baseballfann01 – You mean a cap that can’t be exceeded, a hard cap. As long as you allow someone to exceed it they will. The size of the profits of a couple of teams in baseball make caps insignificant. How do you not try to win if the cost is a couple dozen million on profits of a tea, that makes hundreds of millions. You are fining a billionaire who makes nearly half a billion a year on the team up to $100M to not get the player that will help them win a ring and all the profits that come from winning a ring. It’s not going to happen even at 3000%!
mac1brad
Work stoppage almost certainly will happen.
48-team MLB
New proposal: Teams that spend over $200 million and fail to win the World Series should be penalized double. If a team that spends over $200 million actually wins the World Series then they will not be penalized. It’s a gamble.
Cap & Crunch
This is the best news I’ve seen outta baseball this entire century
It’s about time they get it
My suggestion – Call Adam Silver for ideas (serious), look at the NBA and what works and what doesn’t , copy, steal. Don’t act like your too good for help, this is a huge move…hire multiple consultants etc etc …get as many different good (non bias) minds on this that ya can in a room and lock the door behind you
For Once just put the sport first
Would Love a floor of 100 and some sort of cap that makes teams not be able to spend spend spend w/out major repercussions (I’m a LAD fan btw))
New Gen isn’t going for this 50 mill to 200 mill payroll disparity crap. They are all about fairness and really I can’t blame them…This is past time and the future; both parties need to make concessions…I have my doubts but this is just fantastic News here today that gives me hope
1984wasntamanual
Please keep the NBA out of my MLB. I stopped watching that league for a reason.
retire21
I’m not breaking any new ground here but if there is gonna be an absolute minimum then logic and reality require that there be an absolute maximum. No “luxury tax” or “soft cap” which of course are not caps at all. Salary floor only serves to hamper small market teams and does not impede larger ones at all.
Tiger_diesel92
I mean there should be a penalty for teams tanking without trying to put a winning product on the field. The higher market teams gets punish for going over the limit while contract aav are going up, they lose certain draft picks and what not. But you should be to trade draft picks for players also.
tigerfan1968
For last year, this year and who knows how many years to follow all MLB teams will be losing a lot of money because of COVID. You can fine tune the current model but you just can not guarantee players their full salaries. The NBA is on the right track where players get a fixed percentage of revenue. That will not work in MLB because we have an apples to oranges comparison (Rays to Dodgers). There is no great answer but the Rays are closest to running a team the way I would, Is there any team that draws really well, has a big TV contract but manages their team like the Rays ?
mhsaltz1963
Let’s begin with floor. Why should the Rays and A’s be subjected to this when they consistently field good teams with small payrolls? They’re management should be rewarded not punished. Most of the other smaller, less successful small market teams have inferior management and the results show. The ceiling shouldn’t be dropped. Yeah, I hate the Dodgers too but really look at their roster. Buehler,Seager, Kershaw, Bellinger etc. were developed internally. They should be able to pay them whatever they want. They’re farm system is so good that they can make deals to get Betts, Scherzer and anything else they need to put together a contending team. As a Phillies fan, I tip my hat to the Dodgers. The Phils have a terrible farm system, make questionable free agent signings and make poor trades and also spend good money. Teams shouldn’t be punished for their success.
hyraxwithaflamethrower
Agree largely on the principle you’re arguing with the floors, disagree strongly with not having a luxury tax. The Yankees in the late 90’s had some good home-grown talent, but also had a roster that cost at least double that of most other teams. They still had to go out and win, but they were a true juggernaut that didn’t give small-market teams much of a chance. The Dodgers could afford to be that again. That may be fine for Dodgers’ fans, but it’s not good for the league.
As for the A’s and Rays, you have a point, but I don’t think the union will accept a deal that includes exceptions for teams winning on the cheap. More likely there will just be more revenue sharing so that these small-market teams can each afford such a payroll.
Overall, I’d like to see some penalties mount for perennial tankers. It may be an unpopular opinion, but I’m a fan of tanking, provided there’s a plan to turn the team around in a few years. Cubs, Astros, White Sox, and Padres all did this effectively. They sucked, then they didn’t. It’s teams like the Marlins, Pirates, and Orioles (and now probably the Rockies, too), who don’t have any chance and don’t have any plan that need to have a fire lit under them to improve. Start taking away bits of their revenue sharing money and they’d start trying a little harder.
balloonknots
As a fan of the Rays – I have chosen to allow my sons to become fans of other teams as the Rays do not keep their players long term and they associate with a player then boom that player is gone after 5 years. That has to change regardless of anything else. Furthermore come playoffs team rarely invests in a run for the title. Mind you our football and nhl teams do not have a problem competing for titles not just making playoffs. We can’t have all 30 year old stars in the sport only playing for handful of teams. That is not a good fan experience
mrmackey
Well that was good for a laugh.
The floor is a fine idea, but if they think the cap is coming down then pass me some of what they’re smoking.
Any revenue sharing money should also be put in trust and can only be spent on player salaries.
hyraxwithaflamethrower
The league isn’t going to give in on both a higher cap and instituting a floor. Unless one side has all the power (in which case there’s really no negotiating), each side has to give a bit to get something. I don’t think the league gets the tax number all the way down to $180M, though.
Patrick OKennedy
MLB will agree to a certain amount of increases in player salaries as long as they get expanded playoffs, which are worth mega bucks to them. The tax threshold isn’t going down and the salary floor should be pretty high on the players’ wish list.
hyraxwithaflamethrower
The expanded playoffs will backfire on the players, though, and they know it. Sure, some more guys will get a playoff cut, but teams will know they don’t have to go for broke to make it to the playoffs. There’s the argument there will be less tanking, which would probably be true enough with just the floor, but there will also be less going all-in.
mike156
Redistributing revenues from teams who spend under 100M to the rest of the teams….doesn’t get more money in the player’s pockets. And a lower cap takes money from them. So, while I will not underestimate this current iteration of MLBPA’s ability to be dumb, this proposal from MLB has to be a non-started.
hyraxwithaflamethrower
Agree that it’s a non-starter, but I don’t think it’s as far off as you do. There could be some proviso that teams receiving this redistributed revenue have to spend 90% of it on salaries or lose the right to it for the next two years or something. The tax threshold number is a bit low, but then again, I think the floor is a bit high. I’d have put it at $80M/$200M.
hyraxwithaflamethrower
I may be a pessimist, but at this point, I feel the league could offer $120M salary floor, rookie contracts of three years, a shorter season for the same money, and free Lamborghini’s for all players, all for the low cost of a $200M luxury tax threshold and the union would reject it because that’s a lower number than it is now. And the league’s no better. Their offers when the pandemic started were a joke, wanting teams to play a full or nearly full schedule for less than half their normal salary.
I do like that this is the first I’ve heard about the negotiations. It gives me some hope that progress is actually being made behind closed doors between two groups of adults. That said, I’d still put the odds of a work stoppage that affects next year at around 80%.
1984wasntamanual
Reading your couple of sane comments interspersed in some of the crazy ones on here was refreshing.
jim stem
So they now have bargaining points and a place to start.
I think the base minimum is a very necessary point. It helps players, pushes teams to maybe hang on to some home grown core players and gives fans a better product on the field. It’s just good for baseball overall. As more profit is shared, that floor needs to rise.
bucketbrew35
Threshold = $275 million
Floor = $100 million
Problem solved.
Big market teams spend freely to a point.
Small market teams can’t skirt budgets and make excuses and place inferior products on the field.
If they built in for inflation this could be a model that would adjust itself.
Owners need to realize without the players there is no product. Any rich person can be an owner with varying degrees of success. But only a select few can play baseball at this level. It’s time to acknowledge that, pay them what they are worth and move on.
Flyby
So what your saying is you have an extra billion dollars lying around and potentially willing to lose all your money on a team? Im willing to bet there are a lot more Freddy Galvis’s and Jorge Alfaros and Travis Shaws than there are people willing to do that. If your going to say its a major league sport how can it possibly lose money … look no further than the WNBA. That sport has been bleeding money because there are no fans and there is a lot of talent there. How about the most popular sport in the world soccer (football everywhere else other than us). Would you go out and buy a major league soccer team?.
You also forget not every rich guy can be an owner as its a boys club and not everyone is invited. Mark Cuban has been trying to get into the MLB for years but they keep denying him entry to the league.
Also remember when the players went on strike? It took a few years to get fans back and that miraculous hr rivalry of sosa and mcgwire. With the sport also losing popularity to other major league sports the same could happen. They would need to hammer out something quickly and decisively unlike with covid where i think they lost even more fans.
GASoxFan
Sorry, but the wnba is painful to watch.
I’m not a huge basketball fan, although I did like college games live.
That said, watch a men’s game and a women’s game side by side and you’ll see a difference. One is a watered down painful to watch experience, the other shows more flair and excitement.
hyraxwithaflamethrower
So your idea of a good compromise between players and owners is for the players to get everything they want and the owners to get nothing? That might be a hard sell.
Devlsh
I’m surprised the small market teams were on board with this proposal; that salary floor could be devastating for some of those teams. Moreover, it’s clearly NOT aimed at improving competitiveness, since at least five of the 12 teams – Brewers, A’s, Marlins, Indians, Rays have been in the playoffs in the last couple years and shown that it’s capable of putting up a winning team minus the big payroll.. I’d much prefer a penalty built around a team’s record and competitiveness, which WOULD incent those teams to make changes.
Patrick OKennedy
It’s not devastating if they get more revenue and they’re required to spend it on better players. We don’t have nearly the full proposal, but you can be certain that it’s a net revenue winner for MLB teams, and it will include expanded playoffs worth many millions.
A'sfaninUK
It’s not “devastating” that the A’s have to give Matt Olson $200+M. At all. It’s in fact, very good for everyone.
The A’s can still operate as they have, only now they have to pay their home grown superstars like Chappy and Oly. Good. They can’t get anyone better than them even if they tried. Might as well lock them up for the long haul. They can pay 2 guys and keep being thrifty on the other 20-something guys.
rangerfan4ever
There just needs to be a salary cap period end of story. Teams like the Yankees and Dodgers will never stop spending
A'sfaninUK
If there’s a salary cap then there has to be a profit cap too, genius. Otherwise you are literally arguing for faceless gray haired billionaires to take more of the profit instead of the players who create it.
The Yankees and Dodgers are the good guys in this story. All 28 other teams should be spending like they do and there is absolutely zero reason that they do, other than team owner personal greed.
brucenewton
They couldn’t compete having to spend the average of what all the other teams spend. Instituting the cap floor/ceiling structure of all the other leagues to baseball, wouldn’t allow teams like the yankees to be successful on the field. They draft poorly, so they need to outspend everyone to win. Even then, they almost always lose in the end. Historically though, they have only win when outspending everyone by a good margin.
bobtillman
Again, let’s remember this is the first proposal in what figures to be a long, drawn out process. I doubt there’ll be a Spring Training next year, which is fine with many teams, besides outside of a few, it’s a money losing proposition.
The REAL issue will be Revenue Sharing; the rich clubs are not at all happy that they’re supporting small revenue teams that are, in many instances, beating their brains out (TB, MIL, etc.). Expect huge changes, which of course threatens payroll structure. Right now, as every economist knows. every team can EASILY afford a 100M payroll; without RS, that’s no longer true.
JohnJasoJingleHeimerSchmidt
But if Stu Sternberg has to pay $100M in salary, how can he convince HIllsborough County that he’s just a poor baseball owner unable to pay his players, let alone, buy his own stadium???
BrandonGregory74
I am definitely for a salary floor. That needs to happen.
A'sfaninUK
Should be $200m tbh, lets pay these guys what they’re actually worth relative to the money coming in.
1984wasntamanual
Your comments are so ridiculous that I can’t decide if you’re a troll or just clueless. You must hate MLB, that’d be a great way to make it fold.
pbfog
We don’t need communism in baseball. Spend away without giving to those that don’t.
A'sfaninUK
You realize you just admitted you WANT people to be homeless, right? Only truly abhorrent people would actually want that. Capitalism requires homelessness, its why its a bunk way to run things.
America needs a little bit of communism in every aspect of society. I will come back if they do.
Flyby
The problem with that is currently there are more people that abuse the system than actually use it. I know people too proud to accept the assistance that is given to the homeless and also those afraid of using it and feeling safer on the street.
Even in the homeless shelters that are setup, the staff abuse the system in taking items left in their care from the homeless. Constant fear of something bad happening or another homeless person stealing things while you sleep. The quality of care is sub par. The list goes on and on. There is i believe it was a mayor that went undercover for a week or two just to see what is going on and why was the money being put out not helping the cause. He has since reformed some of the projects to hopefully improve it but never saw a followup tosee if it did improve.
You can say it is just a story but my friend was living out of a homeless shelter for 6 months in las vegas and said he would have preferred to be in prison instead of in that shelter and would rather sleep on the street than ever go back to one.
1984wasntamanual
Wait, how does saying no communism in baseball lead to people being homeless? If you’re gonna spout your non-sense, can you at least put a little effort in responding to posts where it actually makes sense.
Flyby
There definitely needs to be a salary cap and floor. I would prefer pure revenue sharing like the NFL but teams would never go for that. Just throwing this idea out there.
How about a rolling cap like football with a set % increase based on profits every year. We know teams will cook the books on expenses it is inevitable just as people always find ways to deduct questionable things on their taxes. So if the league as a whole makes 1B in profit the cap goes up 2.5% 2b 5% etc etc.
Then for those regarding the floor. There will need to be atleast some kind of revenue sharing because lets be honest teams like the marlins and the rays are just not big revenue makers, In cases such as these, the owners must put up a certain percent (i like 80%) of the floor to be eligible for any revenue sharing. Also to be eligible they would have to would have to make their book public to the league and a designated person of the MLBPA to approve revenue sharing. If they dont hit the percent they are put on written up and must make up the money to the players (maybe steal from the NBA and the difference is distributed evenly to players based on games played) after 3 writeups the league and a consensus from mlbpa (i think they have a council of half the number of teams but i could be wrong) must vote to keep said owner/ownership group in the league.
Tear it up, add thoughts but i think this covers a lot of scenarios and puts both sides at the table. Will the owners relinquish a little bit of power to make the mlbpa happy and maybe earn some brownie points and potentially a lower overall cap. You never know.
JoeBrady
I like the idea, but the players’ union is pretty stupid. They will settle on something vaguely tied to inflation, while the owners scream poverty for the public consumption, and then laugh at the union at the next owners meeting.
Had the players’ settled on a straight % years ago, they’d be much better off. The NFL & NBA focus on growing the game.
balloonknots
I agree NFL has the model all should follow. Even how nfl has colleges as minor leagues at no cost to them, then players show up ready and often times with a brand already. I would keep maybe a couple of minor league outfits max – draft out of college at age 20 min and maybe 1 or 2 years tops then to the show – more money could pass to both owners and pro players.
BirdieMan
No way 2022 season starts on time……..
mcmillankmm
What does everyone think? Holdout/lockout coming in 2022?
JohnJasoJingleHeimerSchmidt
I think the players will understand how bad that would be for them.
LordD99
I think the owners will understand how bad that would be for them.
JohnJasoJingleHeimerSchmidt
How? Most of these owners have additional revenue streams that would, in some way, mitigate the financial hit of not having baseball.
Most of these players do not.
Not to mention, any work stoppage would result in a serious loss of fans, which, again, only has impact on the players, especially their earning capacity.
Josh5890
I’m 50/50 at the moment.
balloonknots
60/40 work stoppage will hurt all too much
JoeBrady
I like Tony Clark as a player, but as a union president, he seems like an idiot.
If he is smart, he tells the owner that he settled for 2% last time, while the owners probably increased revenue 6%. So this time, he asks for 4% and settles for 3%.
Then he asks the owners ‘are you interested in expanded playoffs?’. That’s the billion-dollar hammer he has, and everyone knows that’s what the owners want.
That said, I completely expect Clark to screw this up. Reach for the stars, stay out for two month, settle for 3%, with no expanded playoffs, and thus no extra revenue for the players.
dpsmith22
All these jealous owner haters making all these accusations about how much owners make. Yet none of them make mention to the fact that as payroll increases so do ticket prices. Sure pay the players contracts with values of 1/4 of the organizations value. Sure, watch ticket prices rise to $100 a ticket. Deeper and deeper down the rabbit hole we go. Kids won’t be able to go to games because parents won’t be able to afford it. But, the players will make their money, until the game no longer exists. Great strategy….
JohnJasoJingleHeimerSchmidt
I literally just bought tickets, directly from the team website, for $9 a piece to take my family to Busch Stadium.
When I went to Milwaukee a few years ago: $15.
Denver? $10
Chicago White Sox? $12
Cincinnati? $18.
Kansas City? $15
All within the past 3 years.
If you’re shelling out $100 a ticket to go a baseball game, you should probably take a financial help class immediately.
JoeBrady
JohnJasoJingleHeimerSchmidt2 hours ago
I literally just bought tickets, directly from the team website, for $9 a piece to take my family to Busch Stadium.
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I hate all the ticket-price whining. I just checked on Stubhub. Tonight’s game, at Yankee Stadium, I can buy tickets in Sec 329, row 1, for $14 each. Those are nice tickets. Or, my personal preference, section 420C, row 2, $14. 420C is almost directly behind HP, and row 2 is better than row 1 since there is no one walking in front of you.
And the Yankees allow you to bring in soda and snacks. Come a little early, park on the Grand Concourse, but soda and snacks at the Dollar Store across the street, and a family of 4 has great seats for under $100, not $100 each.
gbs42
Payroll changes and ticket price changes are not very well correlated. Ticket prices are based on supply and demand. Do ticket prices go down when teams slash payroll? Not much, if at all.
brucenewton
Floors and ceilings are within 10-20% of each other in the other leagues. Baseball needs to do the same if they want all fan bases engaged. Salaries need to be able to go up as they normally do, so for baseball a 140 floor, 160 ceiling would work.
pepenas34
How to balance the payroll in every team to avoid veterans with big contracts and low production vs rookies pre-arb out performing?
Why not have 1/5 of the $180 M – $210 M, like $40-50 M for incentives base on production mandatory for each team instead of the floor they are trying to make. this way you have the Juan Soto`s getting maybe $7 M on incentives.
Keep players motivated every year. No wonder why veterans on last year’s contract are suddenly out-performing.
CHS O'sFan
I think a double or nothing arbitration strategy could be awesome. Here’s how it works:
Minimum Salary: $600K
One full yr service time: $1.2Mil
2nd full year: $2.4Mil
If a team refuses to pay a first year raise, that player goes on 1st yr waivers and any team willing to pay his raise can have him. If nobody takes him, the original team has the option of reupping for the minimum but arbitration still takes effect as normal with an arb minimum of $2.4Mil. Otherwise the player must be non tendered.
This would result in roster turnover happening earlier and less players that get dozens of chances in favor of more players getting the opportunity. Your stars in the making like Soto, Vladdy Jr., Pete Alonso and others would start making more sooner.
JoeBrady
If you want to give the younger players more money, that means the veterans will get less money. And suggestions for keeping it even?
GASoxFan
Here’s what I’ll add…
As per the “NFL model”…. I HATE a hard salary cap. It’s frustrating to try to be a fan of a club that brings in a bunch of good young players. A couple years later the club can’t keep their home grown stars because of some arbitrary hard salary cap.
Next, the nature of the business model has fundamentally changed with all the streaming and electronic earning pathways, etc. It’s just plain different, as are the dollars media contracts are bringing.
This means in baseball the business end with the players needs just as revolutionary an adjustment.
Minor leaguers still get the shaft. There’s was a huge % based salary increase that in real terms… fails to hit minimum wage in a majority of us states.
What’s a good cba look like? Restructure minor league pay just like they restructured the teams, get radical and get realistic. Change up the draft, both ordering and eliminate slot values, just give a bonus pool without slot values, with more spending limit to the smaller market clubs. Put in a salary floor, and alter revenue sharing so that every team draws enough to meet the minimum obligation. Rich teams maybe get less national broadcasting money to accomplish this if need be. Alter the CBT calculations to trash AAV, and, eliminate any team-drafted player from counting towards the CBT until thay player is either released or traded. (but let them count towards the floor). Throw players a carrot on trades with mandatory assignment bonuses to any traded player, major or minor league with different $ values. Restructure the postseasons. Allow two more wildcard teams in from each league. Then have them play a single game, followed by those winners going against the two worst divisional winner records. make it a best of three series, then bring back the old first round bye for the top two divisional winners in each league. Then have your traditional semis, and your usual best of 7 championships and WS matches.
Go crazy, work to make things better. The problem is both sides are wrestling with an outdated system. They should task a bunch of subcomittes negotiating different sections on a clean slate simultaneously, not just one pair.
1984wasntamanual
The union probably isn’t going to bargain for more money for MiLB players, they don’t represent them.
brucenewton
180 million won’t work for the yanks. Start the tax penalties around 250 or so. They need to be able to compete and easily reset the tax every few years.