The Mets have placed catcher James McCann on the 10-day injured list because of lower back spams, per Tim Healey of Newsday Sports (via Twitter). The move is retroactive to August 17th. The Mets do not expect McCann to miss more than the minimum amount of time, but given the specialization of the catcher position, they chose to be judicious in replacing him on the roster. Geoff Hartlieb was recalled from Triple-A.
Patrick Mazeika and Chance Sisco are already on the roster to share the catching duties in McCann’s absence. Mazeika has started behind the plate in the four games since McCann has been out. Sisco was claimed off waivers from the Orioles on June 25th.
Hartlieb was claimed off waivers from the Pirates earlier this season. The 27-year-old right-hander has struggled in small samples with both the Mets and the Pirates, tossing nine innings combined over seven appearances while allowing 11 earned runs. He was a 27th round draft pick of the Pirates back in 2016, posting solid run prevention numbers in the minors up through his debut in 2019. In parts of three seasons since, Hartlieb has logged 66 1/3 Major League innings with a 7.46 ERA, but 5.42 FIP.
The winnner of the NL east will be the fake winner. Everyone knows who would be on top if they didn’t have to use 63 players….
Yeah but they’re still hitting like crap. Wholesale changes coming this winter. Cohen is not a man to wait patiently.
Poorly structured team.
They also need a new manager to lead the restructured team in 2022.
I agree. They aren’t a perfect team. Still would have won the NL east. And we do need a new manager
The Angels would trade Ohtani for Lindor and deGrom.
No, they really wouldn’t. One guy has been lost at the plate for two years now and is significantly overpaid. The other guy is starting to have injury issues. Why would the Angels take on an additional 60 million per year in salary just to essentially get the same production they’re already getting from one guy at a significant discount?
The manager is fine. Typical myopic fan perspective, “Fire the manager”, but then complain about the next one the same way.
I agree
Maybe trade Alonso and lindor for ohtani?
Angels wouldn’t do that
Yeah. It’s not like the first place Braves lost Acuna, Soroka, Anderson and Ozuna or anything. It’s Not like the Braves lost their silver slugger starting catcher for the majority of the season. It’s not like Ynoa missed most of the season either. Yeah. Outside of deGrom the Mets haven’t lost anywhere near as many big impact players as the Braves. The Braves lost all that and still bashed the Mets down to 3rd place where they belong. The big problem with the Mets is they spent MVP money on a light hitting shortstop instead of getting a player that was actually worth that kind of salary. The Mets also screwed up their trade deadline by doing nothing to improve the team outside of renting a middle infielder with an OBP below .280. That’s not how teams win. The Mets are a joke and the moves they make in a foolish attempt to contend are laughable. On top of that the Braves had way more big impact injuries than the Mets have and it didn’t stop them. Stop trying to make up excuses for your disappointing team. The Braves lost several good pitchers in addition to their catcher for most or all of the season. The Braves lost their ENTIRE outfield for the season. Not just 1 or 2 outfielders but literally every single outfielder. You don’t see Braves fans whining about it on here like little babies.
Spot on Bovine
What??? The Mets lost their whole lineup at one point… syndergard?? Lindor?? Carrasco( and not ready yet so that even more losses) pederson lugo familia Walker Baez Yamamoto luchessi. Nimmo conforto McNeil smith McCann (now) Davis smith (RP) Degrom Castro Sean Reid foley Villar pillar Nido Martinez almora. Some of these players aren’t that good.. but I’m also probably missing some. Do you think the Braves have lost more that that????
Syndergaard was expected to be injured. The Mets didn’t have to keep him. His absence was expected. If you want to use that as an excuse it’s pretty lame because the team was built with that expectation already there. I don’t know if you realize this but outside of deGrom you just listed a bunch of crappy players. Did you see the guys I listed? Acuna and Ozuna are both better than any single position player you listed. d’Arnaud is the reigning silver slugger. Anderson, Soroka and Ynoa are all great pitchers. Lindor and Baez are jokes. Lindor’s light bat and Baez .280 OBP weren’t going to win it for you. Outside of deGrom all of the players you listed are far inferior to the players the Braves lost. Replacing good players is much harder than replacing bums. The Braves lost 3 defending Silver Sluggers in d’Arnaud, Ozuna and Acuna. Ozuna and Acuna are both defending MVP candidates. How many defending Silver Sluggers did your Mets lose. It’s not 3. I promise you that. I’m pretty sure it’s actually zero. The Braves aren’t in the lead because the Mets are falling. The Braves are in the lead because they have won 16 of their past 18 games. That is something the Mets aren’t even capable of. The idea the Mets would be better than that even if they were healthy is a joke.
Lindor was playing way below expectations before getting hurt. Carrasco was a risk going in. This excuses excuses thing you do is completely ridiculous. Injuries are part of the sport. Even when on top this was a team headed towards a division title on 87 wins. “Everyone knows” that a weak division is the only reason this team was on top in the first place. Your cheerleading doesn’t help.
Soroka was expected to miss too… yet you still named him…. Lindor is crappy? Conforto is crappy? Davis with his 300 avg and 800 ops is crappy??? Pederson is crappy? Lugo is crappy? Familia is crappy? Baez and crappy? Carrasco is crappy? McNeil is crappy? Cmon man…. Don’t tell me they are sucking bc Ozuna was really killing the ball lol…the Braves are not better than the Mets. They have taken advantage of being healthier even if they got injured too…
The Mets wouldn’t have 87 wins if they stayed healthy…. It’s not that hard to understand… we had guys like drury mason Williams and fargas come up in big spots
Bovine, back off on the praises of your silver slugger catcher. D’Arnaud cannot throw out a baserunner in critical situations and is well below league average, and a team like the Dodgers will make surely take advantage of that in the playoffs, just as the Royals did to him in the 2015 World Series. Good luck with that. Speed puts pressure on the defense and on the pitcher standing on the mound ( there is a difference between pitching from a windup versus from the stretch), even if it is just the threat to run. The Braves are a good team and they have a good manager. It just took them time to get their act together this year. EVERY Team has had injuries this year. Useless talking about what happened, but look at their direction moving forward. The Braves have a few holes, but they are the best team in the NL East.
Soroka very unexpectedly re-tore his achilles tendon right when he was supposed to be getting healthy. He was only supposed to miss the first moth or 2 of the season. Did Syndergaard need a 2nd Tommy John surgery I don’t know about? It’s not even a close comparison when it comes to the difference in expectation and what actually happened between those guys. Yes. Light hitting Lindor and the massive strain his ridiculous contract put on the Mets payroll are crappy. Baez and his .280 OBP are crappy and his insane strikeout levels make him a liability at the plate. Talk about a rally killer. Davis does not strike fear in any pitcher he faces. Carrasco and his terrible 8.94 ERA are crappy. Bringing up middle relievers like Lugo and Familia is just lame. That would be like Braves fans bringing up Sean Newcomb and AJ Minter. They are just middle relievers. The Mets have been trying to get out of that terrible Familia contract for years. It was dumb to sign him in the first place. Conforto is a joke. Have you seen his numbers? He is crappy. Yes. When comparing to Silver Sluggers and MVP candidates the guys you mentioned are crappy.
One of the two teams lead the league in missed war on the IL, hint the braves arnt in the top 5
Lol your comment is so bad. Lol all I needed to know about your baseball Evaluation
Missed WAR? That’s not even a stat. What a joke. There is no way to determine “missed WAR.” What are you psychic? You know exactly what WAR every injured player would have earned if they were healthy? No. You don’t. Don’t even pretend like you do. It just undermines any ability you may actually have to exercise solid judgement.
Maybe I’m misunderstanding what you’re saying regarding Syndergaard, but he was due back from Tommy John in May/early June but had elbow pain during a rehab start. That’s what he’s out for now. It was not expected that he’d miss an additional 3 months of the season or more.
ESPN showed a graphic on it. So yeah it is a stats. The calculate how much projected war you lost to injury.
All the injuries sounds like an organizational issue. It’s easy for you to point to luck, isn’t it? If your team has this many injuries, leading all of baseball for several years now than it’s time for the Mets FO to look at reasons other than bad luck. Training and development perhaps.
Either way, it’s amusing that it wasn’t that long ago you were so confident in the Mets winning. You remember how many times you used words like “lock” and “guarantee”?
This is amusing, seeing posts on how a team lost this or that. End result is what you do to combat all those loses. AA & the Braves hit the nail on the head, the Mets missed.. FO & management have won the day. Everybody live with it.
The Dodgers started the season with 8 starter pitchers:
Kershaw
Bauer
Buehler
Urias
May
Gonsolin
Price
Nelson
Of those 8 Buehler & Price are the only two not hurt or suspended (Bauer). The Dodgers are currently using a 3 man rotation with two bullpen games a week.
The Dodgers have also lost Bellinger, Seager, & Betts for the majority of the season due to injuries.
Yet the Dodgers are still dominate. Can’t blame everything on injuries.
The Dodgers just swept the Mets in NY and are dominating the Mets again in LA setting up another sweep.
Not like the 1st place White Sox played with 9th and 10th string OFers for a good chunk of this year. Injuries happen to literally everyone. And as Bovine eluded, take injuries out and the Braves are running away and hiding with that division.
87 wins all season, maybe. If you are trying to say they would be 15 games above the top team currently, than I would like to be your exclusive bookie for when you place your World Series bet every single year.
Lol missed WAR. What a stat. lol what a goof.
@MF22 Since you obviously buy into everything you see on ESPN, they have your Mets with a 6.9% playoff possibility. #guaranteed? #lock? #ouch!
Bovine is just as ridiculous as Metsfan. Both delusional homers.
…..until now I guess……but you’re not whining!
Probably McNEIL, Smith, Davis on the Block.
MetsFan22 is “One Toke Over The Line Sweet Jesus”
I was thinking more “Dazed and Confused”
Hahaha! OMG! So I wanted to look into all the Mets “missed WAR” nonsense Metsfan22 was talking about. I decided to Google it since apparently it’s all over “ESPN” about how the “Mets have the most ‘missed WAR’ in MLB.” I wanted to find out more about it and see what formula is used to determine “missed WAR” since Metsfan22 promises it is such a real and accurate stat. You know what came up when I Googled “Mets missed WAR?” THIS PAGE! This is the only freaking page on the entire internet that talks about “missed WAR.” Which means Metsfan22 is the only reason it shows up on Google at all. Man… That is funny. That is truly funny. He actually had me going for a second. I never believed it was an accurate stat but I thought there still might be some idiots out there that think it’s real and accurate. Nope. None. Just Metsfan22. Try it guys. It’s funny. If you just Google “missed WAR” nothing comes up about baseball but if you Google “Mets missed WAR” (since the Mets supposedly lead all of baseball in “missed WAR” you would figure their name would be at the top of the list) 1 page shows up about it. Yep. It’s this page. This page is the only page on Google that even discusses this ridiculous statistic Metsfan22 has based his entire opinion about baseball on. Go ahead. Try it. Google “Mets missed WAR.” It will be a fun exercise. This is the only page on the internet that even talks about it. That’s how real and accurate “missed WAR” is.
Offense and defense are both terrible. Not a playoff team even when healthy.
On paper I’d say it was reasonable to hope for a wildcard. This playoff system already rewards mediocrity to a certain degree. (And they’re thinking of expanding the playoffs, hoo-ray).
SMH…
And, that’s why they actually play out the season, and don’t crown champions based on the pre-season. It also shows the importance of having: good scouts, to find those diamonds in the rough; an average or better farm system to replace players when injuries occur; a good advanced scouting department to snatch up other teams players that are deemed “fixable” by yours; and a good on-field coaching staff/organization philosophy that continues to teach/hone players skills throughout the season. All those things are constants in well run organizations. That’s why you play the season…injuries are part of it.
I’m new here, but I think I found the moron. Do I win anything?
There are no fake winners. That’s ridiculous.
The Mets are free-falling. It happens in sports. Cope with it.
Ask your self a question. What are reasons a team free falls. Obviously some of our player have underperformed… we were still in first place most of the year with the most hurt team in basbeall.. could it be that the injures are catching up? Cmon think a little.
29 teams will ultimately fail.
There are a lot of teams who could claim to be the “most hurt” team in “basbeall.”
DeGrom is a tough loss. The rest? No different than any other team has to endure. Nats lost Stras. Astros haven’t had Verlander in 2 years. Trout has missed months. Brewers have had a ton of injuries. Padres easily as “most hurt” as the Mets.
There are no asterisks next to wins or championships just bc you refuse to face reality.
No team has lost the players or war that the Mets have lost… it’s not all teams deal with it. Bc quit frankly they haven’t. Not this year.
Do you know what honor is, MetsFan22?
Some advice:
Learn to take losing more gracefully.
The Mets, whether they win or lose, don’t define you. It has nothing to do with you.
Oh, and quit blathering on like a whiny little perra. It’s not a good quality.
Check your spelling from time to time.
STOP THE WAR SCHTICK, I’ve seen you graphic. Do you know who is second within one WAR? LAD and look who has been kicking your butt. The issue hasn’t been lost “projected” WAR it’s that the Mets have 0 depth cause all their money is in Lindor and DeGrom and one of them is VASTLY underperforming. Also, WAR has errors in that large of a scale, like 1-2 wins when applied to 30+ players so you still may be wrong…
A lot of teams not named the dodgers would be called having 0 depth by you if they lost what we have. I promise you the Braves are 7 under 500 if they lost Their whole team like us? And the Phillies?? Forget about it..
Injuries are part of the sport… injuries are part of the sport… say it with me
I don’t think you understand what depth means. It’s part of an organization’s responsibility to have depth to cover ALL eventualities – injuries. If a team faces injuries and doesn’t have that depth? That’s ON THEM. It’s not bad luck. It’s bad planning.
No team wants injuries, but all teams HAVE them. The system for restocking with quality is a critical success factor…sorely lacking with the NYM. Making lame excuses for it doesn’t change that fact.
Realistically depth going in wasn’t this team’s problem. They acquired more position player depth than most teams this off season. Still a poorly constructed roster though.
What don’t you understand,?? I’m saying we have more depth than most teams but the injures were to much. Just bc the Braves have a better record doesn’t mean they have more depth than us… common sense. We just got more injured… if we had their depth we might be 15 out by now.
The Mets did have depth. And they got hit hard by injuries. That much is true.
Well said Sherm. And yes, deGrom is the injury that hurt the most. It was tough losing his bat from the lineup ( you know that is half true…. even if I am being sarcastic). He is the ONLY Met who this year knew how to situationally hit, and hit the ball where it is pitched. ( notice the past tense of that sentence, I think he is done for the year, after one of the greatest pitching starts EVER. Sad because he was SO exciting to watch. ).
Give it a few more weeks and the .Mets will be 15 Out!
Metsfan22 – Yankees have used 57 players. Stop with the excuses. You continue to embarrass yourself day in and day out on these boards. Grow up. Maybe go outside and get some fresh air.
In terms of man games lost – no one is even close to the Padres. The Rays, Mets and Blue Jays are all grouped together behind San Diego as next hardest hit.
Haven’t heard any Rays fan, Padres fans or Blue Jays fans whining like babies and saying “if we don’t win, it’s fake. No fair! No fair!”
Grow up MF
By the way? Every team, except the Dodgers, is not named the Dodgers. Just FYI.
Sherm man games lost is a somewhat meaningless stat. It depends on who who was lost and when. For example, right now the a Dodgers are without the reigning Cy Young winner and have been for over a month, Kershaw, Urias and Gonsolin. For the past month, and it has gotten worse, two or three starts a cycle are bullpen games. For the past week or so they had exactly two startingpitchers
Starting pitchers healthy. And taxing the heck out of their bullpen.
That’s been my point. Something must have been lost translation – that the Mets fans can’t point to THAT as the only reason they are failing this season.
“The (insert team name), whether they win or lose, don’t define you. It has nothing to do with you.”
No truer words have been spoken when talking about sports fans. And if I may add, at the end of the day it’s a game, not life or death.
Cosmo2,
MetsFan22;
Imjuries ur paaaat offf de sprt
Imjureis r pt uff a spit
IIIIIjjjies r ps o du spot
Damn, he gave it his best!
Being a bad team is also a reason a team free falls.
@Steve Nebraska, no he doesnt. There was someone on this site back in May that called this EXACT scenario for Metsfan22. That if they started falling, he would blame injury and spew off all this crap on how they “should have won the division but…”
I wish I could remember who it was to give them proper credit, but they were dead on. Metsfan22 cannot fathom that his team isn’t the NL champions year in and year out. If they don’t win its always injuries or someone under performing or insert excuse here. What he fails to take into account is that is the case for literally 10-12 other teams every single year.
The Mets lost because they are a horribly constructed team that lacks leadership, both on the field and the front office. Pitching out them atop what was a mediocre division despite a poor offense. Braves are clear class of the East.
Can’t wait to see them hang that presumed pennant. MetsFan22, you should get something for all the bad karma you sent their way.
Congrats are on winning when the better team was hurt..
The Braves are the better team and they’ve been much more injured than the Lolmets. Stop making excuses for the constant underperformance from that joke of a franchise.
I just want to point out that during the offseason I predicted MetsFan would be crying about injuries when the Mets underperformed. No team in the history of baseball has ever not suffered injuries during the course of a season so I have no idea what MetsFan’s expectations are. I have no idea how injuries make players like Nimmo, Smith, Conforto and McNeil overrated. They cannot hit. Healthy or not. I’m sorry you lost Lindor and deGrom. Those are big losses, but if you can’t see how bad this lineup is, even when healthy then you have issues.
Look, I’m a Mets fan so I’m not coming here to attack a fellow fan. But geeeezuz… Other than Alonso, we haven’t had any other player in the line-up hit well this year. Conforto, Smith, Lindor, McNeill, Davis… basically ALMOST EVERYONE has stunk up the joint.
Yes, we’ve had our injuries (like so many other teams), but imagine if Stroman got more than the average TWO RUNS per game than they’re giving him???
We coasted for a while when other teams weren’t hitting their stride. We should have been 10 games up at the All Star break.
Somewhere Chilli Davis is enjoying a cold beer and smiling…
Lucid take. Thank you
Hurt because the Mets don’t know what they’re doing! =))
I am sitting right alongside Chili Davis and buying him another round.
Alonso was out for a while with an injured wrist.
Are they still using leaded gas in New York?
“We would have won if we hadn’t lost.” -MetsFan22
No politics lol.
I’m joking lol
If everything had gone right for us and the stars would have aligned correctly, we would have won… what an embarrassment.
Heh, yea, if everything had gone right for me I’d be married to Christina Applegate, working on my third Nobel prize.
LOL, exactly Cosmo2
No doubt. Applegate was at the top for me in junior high. So hot…good call. I wouldn’t have even needed any other prizes.
Weird flex, bro. Sounds like more like Chief One Hand.
Metsfan22 – I hope your trolling us. If not, you should stay away from handling sharp objects and operating a motor vehicle.
He’s not. He’s definitely this moronic for real.
I believe that’s why they play the games and not just anoint a winner based on $$$$ spent in the off season.
@Metsfan22. Since you insist on playing fantasy baseball, if all the Mets & Braves played the entire year without injuries the Braves would win the division by AT LEAST 10 games. They’re just the better team – Live With It! P.S. I’m not a Braves or Mets fan but I have watched the Mets all year and they definitely are a flawed team, even when healthy.
Fake winner? Good God, get over yourself. No wonder you’re the butt of so many jokes on here.
The Braves?
I must say, @metsfan22, your excuse making – although endlessly amusing – is quite unseemly.
Earlier this week, right across town, the Yanks had 21 players on one of the various IL’s. That included 5 of our top 6 starting pitching options. Hell – like Every Single Team in Baseball – we are still missing a number of key players.
Yet the Yanks – who also play in the best damn division in MLB – are going for their 9th straight win & 13th series win in their last 14 today.
You see, @metsfan22 good teams, good players, hell…good *people* don’t make excuses. Rather they figure it the eff out. Which your team seems incapable of doing.
mets just simply are not very good.
They never really were. Ya know?
MetsFan22 on suicide watch. As in…get the popcorn.
Winners never have excuses
We won a lot of those games because the subs played better than Conforto and at times Smith.
Oh enough. The Braves rotation was decimated and they lost an MVP for the year. The Mets dealt with huge injuries in the first half. Now they are still missing deGrom, but everyone else wasn’t playing well anyway. Your excuses are as pathetic as the Mets offense.
Dude when the Marlins lost their entire team in the first week of the season last year and still beat your crap Mets you complained it was luck. Now the Mets lose fewer players than the Marlins did and you now claim it’s a valid excuse. Good lord are you a homer fan or what. Here’s the truth, and it’s gonna shock you. Ready? Mets are where they are because they simply aren’t good. Period. We all knew this going into the season. Well, except for you…
You’re an embarrassment to Mets fans. The only pass you’ll get is if we find out you’re 12. An adult should never be this delusional. #LFGM
James McCann 2021 — rWAR: Zero.
He went from McCann to McCould to McCan’t all in one year.
Still an improvement over most other catching options. This is an area that shows the imperfections of WAR, not necessarily McCann.
Probably won’t make Yankee fans appreciate Phat Sancho. But it should.
Wesstl
Stop it! Mets win this division hands down if their healthy because degrom shuts dien losing streaks. But aside from that we got huge problems in our lineup outside of pete lindor amd nimmo. Mcneil conforto davis and Smith can go. Manager sucks. Gm sucks. No reason not to do bryant baez and kimbrel if it was only JD davis crow armstrong and mauricio id even throw in vientos. As long as baty or alvarez wasnt involved i would do. Could of easily spent the money to resign bryant
A little proofreading goes a long way.
McNeil hasn’t been bad persay tbf
And that is why they play the games! No paper champions!
Davis is statistically our best hitter. Pete hasn’t been a problem at all. Nimmo has been very good, just lacking power, but he’s getting on base. Everyone else is underachieving. Some trades are in order this off season for sure (unfortunately, yes, our front office is crap though)
deGrom only pitches once every 5 games, and he doesn’t win every single game. Mets are going to be down by more than 10 soon. deGrom would cut down the gap, but it’d still be a gap. Mets just aren’t great. The best pitcher in baseball doesn’t win by himself. Advanced metrics told us this story all year, but the Mets had a super easy schedule.
I don’t understand the idea of giving up Mauricio and more for a rental during a season when it is CLEARLY NOT our year. You realize if we trade them this year for a rental they won’t be around to trade next year?
The Mets should change their name to the “if only’s”
Every team deals with injuries, slumps and these days, financial implications. Some more than others and it changes by the year. You can’t declare your team a sure winner “if only.” Well, you can…but it’s idiotic.
The Mets have a lot of good players – but something is obviously missing.
Yeah, talent and integrity are missing. And a whole lot of it.
LOL Mets! Steve Cohen is the richest Owner in MLB yet he overpays for mediocre Players. Going into the offseason Mets fans dreaming of Realmuto & Springer and a 3B maybe Bryant in trade or Arenado.
No they overpay McCann who was a career backup catcher and sign him for 4 years $ 40 MM and think they had a bargain. They trade for Lindor when they had two cost controlled SS and then way overpay him $ 341 MM extension for 10 years with better SS hitting the FA market next year. Can’t make this up it Makes no Sense!
Not like Andres or Amed have been amazing this year (well, Amed has been a league average hitter but the defense is lacking)
Amed, a cost controlled minimum wage guy has actually outperformed Lindor who received a 10 year $ 341 MM extension deal before he played one inning for the Mets on top of his $ 20 MM earned for this year.
I agree that Lindor is about to be overpaid but Rosario ain’t the answer.
Mets didn’t need Lindor and certainly didn’t need to let him walk all over Cohen forcing him to sign him for $ 341 MM 10 year extension before the Season started until the Mets could assess him firsthand especially with the quality and quantity of FA SS hitting the market this offseason.
I don’t think they could’ve truly assessed Lindor in one season and learned anything that shouldn’t have already been known. They should’ve known he wasn’t worth 340 million cuz A. no one is and B. he was overrated based on one season.
Lindor has a higher WAR and missed a ton of games. It’s not about Lindor vs Rosario but really about Lindor vs 340 Million. Huge overpay. Mets should have waited out the season and then negotiated with him considering this years FA class of SS is loaded.
Huuuuuuge overpay. But more or less what anyone would have to dole out to keep him whether it was done this year or in the off season. Such is the state of modern mega-deals. Should never have traded for him in the first place. Cohen gave in to the idiocy of populist thinking there.
10/Million for 0 WAR is bad but he is honestly underperforming. I think 1 WAR is supposed to be about 10 million so he still could reach the threshold
As dumb as I think that “threshold” is, in this case WAR is undervaluing McCann.
fWAR has him at 0.5 for whatever that is worth.
“No they overpay McCann who was a career backup catcher and sign him for 4 years $ 40 MM”
How is it an overpay? It’s the catching market. Travis d’Arnaud just got another two year, $16 million deal and everyone was praising it. His last two deals were a combined 4/$32 million and he can barely stay on the field. $8-12 million a year is just the going rate for decent catchers.
Not only are the Mets Dead, a fan died at Citi Field last night at a Dead & Company concert.
nypost.com/2021/08/20/dead-company-fan-dead-after-…
Wow, that’s awful
A 40 year old man tried to do a flip on a balcony while completely plastered… Sucks for the family, but definitely a Darwin Award candidate.
“It’s terrible,” Egan said. “I wish I didn’t see it happen … It kinda killed the mood.”
The guy, Egan, should have left off the last five words. He didn’t care he died; he cared that it killed the mood.
“In my delusion, he only fake died, so it doesn’t count.”
Egan (aka Metsfan22, probably)
It’s a Dead and Company concert. They aren’t people. They’re hippies.
That comment makes me wonder if you’re a person
Steve Cohen pays $ 2.5 B to purchase the Mets who were a failing organization and brings back the same FO and Manager, coaches, training and medical staff and surprise it is the same old Mets.
It’s like the Wilpons never left except for an Owner with deeper pockets and instead of cleaning House, Steve Cohen tweets to the Fans and sends missives to his Players to perform better.
Hey, maybe Steve Cohen IS Metsfan22. You never see them at the same parties
I’m more concerned about the analytics people Scott brought in. They seem to be either stuck in 2017 and telling the hitters to hunt low fastballs that aren’t coming or they aren’t responding to other teams’ pitching strategies.. The hitters went through a period when they couldn’t hit curve balls and now they can’t hit high fastballs. The team did a reasonable job of picking up depth with guys like Villar but between the lack of MLB-ready players at AAA and all the injuries, it’s all fallen apart. The depth looked sufficient when the starters were overperforming but really neither the projected starters nor the depth have hit particularly well.
BUAHAHAHAHA! In what dream do the Mets win the division? Boo hoo they lost deGrom who plays every 5 days and even then Mets can’t score runs when he pitches so it’s not a given they win every time. Dustin Peterson was TERRIBLE before he went down so that injury didn’t hurt. With Thor they couldn’t win either. And Carrasco (if that’s his real name and age this time) has always been hot and cold. All this is pitchers. Lindor hasn’t done Jack all year so his injury is pointless (oh and his play has slacked last couple years). Baez’s bat is just like Alonso’s, Swiss cheese. So comparing injuries, Acuña is gone for the rest of the year (oh wait the Mets were still ahead of the Braves then), Soroka out for the year (gone whole year), Fried out and back, Anderson out and STILL OUT (Mets we’re ahead before he went down), Etc etc etc. Each team has had big injuries BUT AT LEAST YOURS came back or are, though they should be smart and just sit deGrom for the rest of the year anyway. Mets are what they are every year, a quick clash in the pan and then disappear at the end. Only explanation is the stress of the BIG APPLE pressure. The tool above is the example of the whole situation. Media and fans are too full of themselves to see the major flaws on this team which makes it impossible for them to hide them! Enjoy golfing early yet again.
It’s little brother syndrome. The Mets are the little brother that mom makes big brother (in this analogy, that’s the Yankees, MF22) take to the mall with his friends. Sure, every once and a while he says something stupid and funny, which is entertaining, but mostly he just whines and annoys everyone around him.
Hey, I just realized something! If the Mets had won more games they’d have a better record! Who knew?
No, it isn’t ‘little brother syndrome’. Most Mets fans don’t care or pay attention to the Yankees. I’m a Mets fan, but a bunch of people I know love the Yankees, so when the Yankees are great, it’s nice for my friends.
Also, please stop making any judgements based on MetsFan22. He is a troll just provoking reactions and you people buy it every single time. He’s fake. He says this stuff to get a rise out of you and he keeps doing it because it works 100% of the time.
@rct. We know. Don’t take it personally…I have some amazing friends and family who are Met fans. (Don’t tell MF22)
I don’t think he does it to get a rise out anyone. That is just my opinion, though, and I could be wrong. When I responded to him, I was not blanketing all Met fans. Just the morons (every fan base has plenty – again not singling anybody out.)
The Mets have had some bad luck. So have other teams. There is no “bad luck” column in the standings. If “certain people” could get their head around that? Well, these threads would again be more about baseball…
It’s funny when people call them The New York Mess.
It’s hilarious. So clever
If you follow many of these threads you will see MetsFan22 proudly proclaiming that the Mets had a better everyday lineup than the Dodgers and that the upcoming seven games with the Dodgers were no “threat” to the Mets. Well how did that work out? The Mets have lost five straight and will most likely six with Max going today.
Injuries? Kershaw, Bauer (not injured but same impact), Urias, Gonsolin, Nelson, Alexander and a host of other relievers. Betts, Bellinger, Seager, Justin Turner, AJ Pollack, and various other position players. Gimme a break. Injuries are part of the game.
“I’m not scared of the Dodgers”. – Metsfan22
Lmao.
Mets fans everywhere: It can’t get any worse under new ownership.
Steve Cohen: Hold my beer…
Whatever is going on things are still way better than under the Wilpons. Cohen may be falling into the populist spend spend spend spend on big names fallacy, but that can be corrected. Whatever was wrong with the Wilpons obviously wasn’t gonna change until they were gone.
If you think things are worse under Cohen, you have no idea what you’re talking about. The Wilpons were on the short list of worst owners in professional sports. Cohen is in year one and is throwing his money around and feeling everything out. He’s more of a Steve Ballmer type.
The Wilpons would not crack the top 100 worst owners in professional sports. I understand Mets fans frustrations during their tenure, but not once were the Mets one of the lowest payrolls in baseball, and say what you will, every year they put out a team that fans believed could win. Should they have spent more? Sometimes definitely. But you can say that about most franchises.
Now I’m not comparing Cohen to the Wilpons. Cohen is an awful human being, but so far he has shown willingness to spend. So I think things will be better, and I think the Mets can fix this offense in the offseason, but I think Mets fans tend to exaggerate how bad the Wilpons were.
A failure to spend was always a red herring when it comes to the Wilpons. The problems ran so much deeper. They spent. They also harassed employees, leaked gossip about players, fired managers in the most awful ways, partook in Ponzi schemes etc…
Yes. This is the real problem with the Wilpon era.
The White Sox play in a weak division but have had plenty of injuries and some were to key players in their lineup. Yet, they’ve managed just fine. The Rays have sixteen pitchers on the IL and play in a tough division and have also managed to stay on top.
The Mets have some decent players but just aren’t good as a cohesive unit. I get the hope that after the conclusion of the off season they had finally turned a corner but this apparently isn’t their year.
The Braves are going for their 4th divisional title. So I don’t understand how they’re a fake winner. This Mets team has won nothing and in fact, finished dead last last year.
There’s still time for my Mets to finish dead last this year, too. Don’t sell us short!
Phillies and Mets really don’t want 2nd place. They keep offering it to one another, but no one wants to take it.
The Mets’ second half theme song:
Turn out the lights, the season’s over
They say that all good things must end
Call it a night, the season’s over
And next year starts the same old thing again
Injuries take every team down. Mets have had their share plus some every year. Is it bad luck? bad coaches? Bad exercise programs? Fragile players? Why do players become fragile as soon as they are called Mets? Plus get some depth in the minors.
Really enjoy watching my Dodgers curb-stomp the Mets. No excuses, either. It’s not like the Dodgers are missing a former MVP outfielder and 80% of their original starting rotation that included 2 former CYA winners…
Oh wait.
Mets are 7 games back lmao. Metsfan22 try and explain that one away. I’m going to troll you non stop just for being a compete clown with zero baseball iq you mental midget.
Maybe try NOT moving your coldest hitter to the 2 hole? Maybe put a little pressure on your team to step up? Maybe call out your new hitting coaches for having this team so poorly prepared to face ANY starter? Maybe show a little emotion?
Bottom line is that this team has failed over and over again to score with men in scoring position and no outs. They don’t score against starting pitching. They can’t beat sub .500 teams. They were 8 over .500 with almost every primary player hurt. We have gone something like 3-15 in this last stretch winning ONE series since the All Star break.
Bottom line is, Rojas and his coaching staff have failed. The new hitting coaches have EVERY single batter performing at well below Chili Davis’ average output of the home grown players. Pitching coaches have failed to provide any success post-tackiness and did not protect deGrom. The Front office failed to provide the RIGHT help prior to the deadline.
Is it too late to right the ship? I’ll say that it’s unrealistic to think that the last 35 games will be any different than the first 127, especially without deGrom going every 5th day.
Every single hitter has gone backwards this season and performing at a career worst rate. It has to be obvious why.