10:38am: The Cardinals have formally placed Flaherty on the 10-day injured list and recalled right-handed reliever Junior Fernandez from Triple-A Memphis in a corresponding move.
10:12am: The Cardinals are placing right-hander Jack Flaherty back on the 10-day injured list, manager Mike Shildt announced to reporters during today’s pregame session (Twitter link via Jeff Jones of the Belleville News-Democrat). Flaherty, who only just returned from a two-month absence due to a severe oblique strain, has now been diagnosed with a strain in his right shoulder. Shildt indicated that imaging was “mostly negative,” suggesting that there’s no major structural issue in the shoulder.
There’s no timeline on Flaherty’s return just yet, but Shildt indicated that the club can’t firmly rule out the possibility that the talented young right-hander’s season is over. There are just under six weeks remaining on the regular-season calendar, and Flaherty will need some form of down period to allow the strain to heal before he can resume throwing and build back up.
Flaherty made just three starts between IL stints, and his velocity was down noticeably last night before departing the game. He told reporters after the contest that he began feeling “less comfortable as the game went on” and voiced frustration over having another start shortened by a physical ailment (link via Derrick Goold of the St. Louis Post-Dispatch).
With Flaherty now back on the shelf for a yet-to-be-determined period of time, the Cards are again operating at less than full strength in the rotation — just as they have throughout the entire summer. Kwang Hyun Kim recently returned from the injured list but was slated to work out of the bullpen; it’s at least possible that they’ll shift him back into a starting role now that Flaherty is out. Elsewhere in the rotation, the Cards have Adam Wainwright, Miles Mikolas, J.A. Happ and Jon Lester. For now, that group will lead the charge as the Cards attempt to close a 4.5-game deficit in the NL Wild Card standings. The division is effectively out of reach, as Milwaukee has a commanding 13-game advantage over St. Louis (and an 8.5-game lead over second-place Cincinnati).
Flaherty has been excellent when healthy this season, as one would expect. The 25-year-old carries a 3.08 ERA, a 26.1 percent strikeout rate, a 7.7 percent walk rate and a 38.6 percent ground-ball rate through 76 innings thus far.
Miggy did it on that homer into Big Mac Land.
Had it not been for that home run and Flahertys oblique he would have won NL cy young this year without a doubt. He gonna get it next year, as well as that no hitter he’s been chasing
I guess Degrom getting hurt meant nothing? How can Flaherty get a no hitter when he can’t even pitch a complete game? It’s comical reading this stuff.
Pitching a complete game isn’t really valuable in current baseball. Usually pitchers who pitch long into a no hitter in terms of pitches they wind up injured. It’s exactly why teams have pitch limits and have been taking young guys out of no hitters in the last 10 years.
Too bad. Wild card goodbye!
They never had a chance. They made a “run” because they faced the Royals and Pirates for a week straight lol. They are an average team at the very best with a very dim future. That Arenado trade is looking worse and worse, as is the Goldy extension. They have no elite young talent to build around. Not a good time to be a cardinals fan
Well said. Dam right.
While they’ve had starting pitcing injuries all year, suffer Cardinals suffer.
I love people who come on here and have no clue about what they are talking about lol Arenado deal looking bad lmfao
Ummm yes the Arenado deal looks absolutely terrible for the cardinals. It was dumb at the time and looks even worse now. They owe him $30 mil per year for his age 31-37 seasons. He has a 115 wRC+ this year. He will be an average hitter by the middle of that contract. He doesn’t get on base. His defense will decline as it does for pretty much everyone. It’s a terrible contract on its own, and that doesn’t even factor in that they gave up a good, cheap, controllable pitcher in Gomber. If you think the Arenado trade was good for the Cardinals then you really aren’t following baseball.
Oh wait, you username is “Cards81”. I wonder if you’re a biased cardinals fan? Makes sense with an opinion like that lol
Cards81,you must really love yourself because you do it everyday
sorry bud i have a life and I am not on here everyday but good try
This is a poor analysis. Their winning window starts next year if they can be effectively aggressive in free agency with all of the money they have coming off of the books. They have quite a bit of young, talented, controllable pitching and their young already talented outfield is poised to take another step forward in their development. This is the EXACT time you want Arenado on the team and then they will retool with young talent again at the end of his contract. Every team does this because it works for the first three quarters of the contract.
It seems the person that isn’t familiar with baseball front office strategies isn’t cards81
Both deals suck for St. Louis and I feel zero pity for them lol. That Mikolas contract is beyond suspect as well. 4 years and $68 million seems rather excessive for Miles Mikolas. $76 million combined in 2021 on Arenado, Goldschmidt, and Mikolas. The best player on that team this season is Adam Wainwright and he’s making $8 million. So Mikolas who’s barely played in MLB is making twice as much as Wainwright. How does that happen and why is it allowed to happen? If you told me I had to pick one of those pitchers to sign for the next three seasons at their current ages and at one specific rate I’d take Wainwright in a blink. That’s the Cardinals though, make their long tenured stars (Wainwright and Molina) beg for contracts but they give a fairly unproven pitcher a 4 year $68 million deal.
I agree that it was a bad acquisition, but they don’t owe him 30m/yr., it’s ~127.5 (~$25.5m/yr) for 2022-2026 with some of it deferred.
“their young already talented outfield is poised to take another step forward in their development.”
How many times do we need to see it not play out like this with young players before we stop assuming it’s going to happen?
Don’t feel so down. The Cubs have Heyward and stuck with him for 2 more years at around 42 million. As a baseball fan I think Nolan and Goldy still have gas in the tank and should turn things around. Just a tough year I think. These guys have been real good for a while. Hang in there Cards fans. As for Heyward he plays like he’s 70 years old. Yikes 8 years and around 180 million total.
They are stuck with 2 mega contacts at 1B and 3B and an attendance issue to to heavy crime around the stadium.
The Arenado deal is bad cause they gave up Goober and Montero? To early to say that, we all knew Gomber was gonna be good,, liked him over Woodford, Ponce De Leon, and others… Maddux good with lefties too…
Next year and 2023 will be big years in terms of the team shedding its old skin and moving forward, they got major talent coming in the form of position players that will form a core possibly during these years 2022-2024? There are a few new pitching prospects that are plus as well, McCready, possibly Thompson if he can stay healthy? Then there’s that guy Libby everybody is mad they traded for? To early to say anything yet. Jhon Torres, Nick Plummer, Delvin Perez, Josh Beaz, Ivan Herrera, Jordan Walker, Nolan Gorman, Masin Winn, as what they can assemble from the trades for the pieces these players will be replacing will have the final say on this?
Yea being 3.5 games back from the wild card they have no chance…what’s great about being a cardinals fan is that they always have a chance…can’t remember last when the cardinals actually gave up on a season…proud to be a fan of that…so go back to your tanking or always rebuilding team and STFU
It’s easier to be perpetually mediocre.
Imagine having this much of your self worth tied to a baseball team LOL
imagine having so much self-worth that you go on another teams thread and you keep making a fool out of yourself…oh I forgot lol
well the Cardinals have had more success being “perpetually mediocre” than most teams….and they don’t tank
What a weird thing to be proud of. I’m proud that my team doesn’t tank making it harder for my team to win. Weird. When your team is bad or average it’s better to be really really bad then finishing.500. I wouldn’t expect a new ignorant fan to understand this simple concept.
It’s too bad Flaherty couldn’t pad his stats like Wainwright did against Pitt,KC, Minny and other AAA teams.
VS MIL- 5 IP 1 ER 6K
VS PHI- 9 IP 2 ER 8K
VS ATL- 7 IP 1 ER 11K
VS CLE- 7 IP 2ER 8K
VS MIL- 9 IP 2ER 4K
What about these teams?
Mic drop
When did Wainwright pitch a complete game against Milwaukee? His recent outings have been Pitt, KC, could barely scrape thru Milwaukee. Cleve is no good. I’m more amazed that nobody else on this staff can’t dominate these teams. Wainwright is doing his job, but I don’t get excited about beating AAA teams.
Wainwright pitched a CG against Milwaukee on August 17, or the start before his most recent one. It was easy enough to look up. But instead of doing that, you chose to double down on your original comment for the sake of being negative. Thankfully, chad623 called you out on it by providing some numbers..
I’d post a link to Wainwright’s game-by-game stats, but you can do that yourself in a matter of seconds. Why should everyone else do your research?
Hey Cey Hey, wise ass, tough guy. Wainwright on August 17 lost 2-0 to Milwaukee and pitched 6 innings. His best games are against the Altoona Pirates. Care to delete your comment about me? Or just apologize? You think I don’t know how to look sh$$ up?
Okay, I stand corrected and apologize. It’s not hard for me to do. No need for me to delete the comment. Your negativity speaks for itself. By the way, Wainwright did have complete-game wins against the Phillies and Braves. Second in MLB in innings pitched (will be third after tonight) and tenth in the NL in ERA. Why do you insist on portraying him as a bum?
I said Wainwright was “doing his job.”
Cey Hey pulls this crap all the time, misinterprets things that people say and then blames them for his own stupidity.
Yup, I’ve seen him pop up multiple times acting like a know-it-all SJW. Dude can’t stop embarrassing himself lol
You are embarrassing yourself by saying the Arenado trade was bad lmfao…then you say the cardinals have no talent coming up lol Libetore and Gorman just to name two…then you even harp on Goldy…who had a bad start to the season but has hit over .300 since June…you know nothing about the cardinals and it clearly shows but yet you keep commenting even though it’s just foolish and embarrassing for you…by the way Goldy hit two home runs today
If Flaherty had been healthy all year the cardinals would most likely be in the second wild card spot…Flaherty easily equals 3.5 games…the cardinals are that far back from the second wild card…yes every team has had to deal with injuries but few have lost there ace for the better part of the season
Lol wow you’re really doubling down? If you still don’t understand how the Arenado trade is awful for the Cardinals I cant helps you…. it’s basic economics. Gotta love paying $56 mil AAV for two corner infielders both with a wRC+ below 120. You can’t just say Goldy started slow lol as if you can just write off those games? He started cold and he’ll get cold again cause he just isn’t that great anymore…. and congrats 2 top 100 prospects neither of which project to be great and neither of which are having great seasons? So pretty much every team has that…. LOL. You’re literally proving my points.
proving your point on what exactly? how stupid you sound…anyone who knows baseball knows that the Arenado trade was a steal lol…I guess all those baseball analysts who agree with that are wrong and I should trust rols1026 on MLB trade rumors lmfao get out of here already
Oh so now you’ve moved on to an appeal to authority fallacy? Anyone who did an actual $/WAR analysis at the time knew from the get-go it was an awful trade. Go look up baseball trade values, they do an objective analysis of each trade and they had the cardinals as big losers from the second the trade was made. It’s just very obvious if you understand basic economics. The people who thought it was a good deal are the click bait, hit piece journalists who care about big stories and don’t do a lick of comparative analysis. By the way baseball trade values has Gomber currently worth more than twice as much as Arenado BY HIMSELF. You clearly don’t understand basic math or you’re just ignoring contracts because this is very basic stuff lol
those are projections, not facts… War is a horrible stat anyway..you talk about economics..ok..what about the Jerseys that the cardinals will sell with Arenado’s name on the back…what about the T-shirts etc….they don’t factor those in do they? you can’t place the value on players in which games have not been played…for example what if Gomber gets hurt and can’t pitch anymore…what if Arenado actually becomes a better hitter as he gets older…anyone can say they project something but that doesn’t make it a fact…once again get out of here with your BS..you are nothing but a hater
Pretty sure MLB merchandise sales are pooled, aren’t they?
Ah, just come to see the anti-cardinal bias. As expected we have the Arrenedo deal was bad covered, random sniping about Goldschmidt, the assertion that Cards have noone young to build around despite Carlson and a farm system consistantly ranked mid range with Nolan Gorman, Jordan Walker, and Libertore getting close. The surprise is the random swipe at Wainwright. Ok, now we need someone to say Molina is overrated and someone to complain about Mozeliak’s tie and we’ll have it all covered.
You seem to have quite the persecution complex there, Mr. Perkins.
But was he wrong in his assumption?
Cardinal’s fan are the most oppressed demographic in America.
It’s oftentimes Cardinals fans saying these things that’s he’s complaining about so yes, I would say that it’s wrong to say there is an “anti-cardinal bias”. Every team gets ripped on to an extent on this site based on the update. Don’t take it so personal or you might seem like you have a persecution complex.
Yes. He’s wrong.
Compelling argument.
As a Cardinals fan, I certainly do not feel oppressed. I’m sure your comment was a snark, sarcastic one, but it really didn’t make any sense. I’m sure some fan does actually feel oppressed though! Some people put their identity in their sports team and that’s a miserable way to live life!
How can we be oppressed when we’re too busy WINNING? 2020 was a freak year and we’ve had catastrophic injuries all year in 2021 and we’re still 3 games over .500!! What are you taking about?!!
What did they win in 2019, 18, 17, 16, 15, 14, 13, and 12? And oh, the injury excuse. Nobody else has those but the great Cardinals.
Uhh, have you been following baseball?
Injuries have been pervasive everywhere this year after a truncated 2020. And what did the Cardinals win those years? MORE THAN THEY LOST! Never understood the haters. My goodness.. enjoy the ride.
That’s what I said. Every team has injuries, not just the precious Cardinals. How am I a hater? Because I call out the bias/slants on here?
No, you didn’t. You said, “And oh, the injury excuse. Nobody else has those but the great Cardinals.” Your brain is disjointed.
Saying the “precious cardinals “ makes you a hater automatically…
Dude…that was obviously sarcasm; meaning exactly what he said it did above.
You didn’t know everyone on here can run a baseball team!?
Lol you can repeat everything that’s been said in a condescending tone but that doesn’t make it untrue. Cardinals don’t have good young talent. The fact that Dylan Carlson is the first name you mention proves my point. He’s an average player at best and that’s your best response? Goldy deal does look awful, as does the Arenado trade. $30 mil per year for ages 31-37 of a guy with a 115 wRC+. Plus they gave up Gomber. Brutal lol. If you can’t see any of that then you’re not paying any attention.
Carlson is a good young player who missed a season’s worth of development in 2020 due to there being no minor league games. That’s a reason why rookies, in general, are having a particularly difficult time in 2021. The player you’re bashing will turn 23 in October. Yet you want to discard his budding career because you think it makes you “right” on a chat board. Then you paint Gomber as a star based on 21 starts he’s made for the Rockies while suggesting Arenado has no value to the Cardinals. Are you sure you’re paying attention?
There’s nothing funnier than someone misinterpreting everything you say and then acting like they proved you wrong. Carlson has no elite tools and does not project to be any sort of stat player. He will be a solid player for a while but if he’s the top young player you are building around you are in serious trouble. And that was my point, which you just didn’t address. Btw go look at Carlson’s statcast page, it’s not good. And please tell me where I said anything about Gomber being a star? You just love making things up, as I can see above with your imaginary Wainwright shutout. I said that taking on Arenado’a contract is not good, and they gave up a good, cheap pitcher in Gomber on top of it. Again, completely missing my point. And where did I say Arenado provides no value? My god…
It remains to be seen how good Gomber will be. You gave a “lol” to the Cardinals trading him for a star third baseman. The bigger issue for the Cardinals was letting Wong go. That was confusing to me. By bringing back longtime team members Wainwright and Molina, the Cardinals were saying they’re going for it now. Yet they passed on another longtime Cardinal who could have aided their cause. That decision looked bad from the get-go. It’s nice to see Wong having such a good season.
Imagine responding yet again with misrepresentations and then some random reference to kolten wong? You’re just gonna ignore contracts and act like it’s some fantasy league where you can trade Nolan Arenado for Austin Gomber and act like it’s some steal? In the real world with real contracts it’s a terrible trade, and it’s pretty easy to see that.
This idea that if a team spends more than the “actual” value of a player then the contract is horrible is a bad one. The Arenado contract isn’t in a vacuum, it needs to be looked at as part of the entire payroll. If they can put the pieces around him they need to compete with their remaining payroll, who gives a poop if Arenado is “overpaid”. That’s what it cost to get him and they decided he was worth the cost. End of the day, the individual costs of each contract don’t matter even a little bit if the team can construct an effective roster.
This is one of the dumbest comments I’ve ever read…. the cardinals CANT put a compete roster in the field BECAUSE of awful contracts like Arenado. Obviously if they just had all stars at every position then nobody would care but they have so many holes…. if they could have a do-over and spend $30 mil AAV I can guarantee you it wouldn’t all go to a 30 year old 3B with a 115 wRC+ and 7 years on his contract lol
As a cards fan….I hate Mo’s tie(s)
….. No issues with Arenado, Goldschmidt, Cardlson, the farm system, Gorman, Walker, Libertore…. Wainwright is doing great. Yep, I would be the one that says Molina is over-rated at this point in his too long a career… and now signed again for the Nostalgia Train in 2022. Been following the Cardinals since Bob Gibson was the best in baseball.
I appreciate that you recognize that you’ve the only one who thinks Yadi’s career is too long. I applaud your self awareness, baseballguy1
What’s wrong with Arenado he has 3.0 war, has 25 home runs will have 30+, has 82 RBI will end up with over 100 ops 121. All good numbers and he plays great defense. What do you dislike about him.
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Maybe the fact that he’s owed $30 mil per year for 7 years and those non elite numbers will only get worse? How is this so hard for people to grasp?
Arenado is a 6-7 WAR PLAYER. Cards are getting half that. His best career choice is to opt out and find a better lineup around him.
Arenado would be out of his mind to give up the amount of money he’s owed
No, no he isn’t. There aren’t many players that get better after 30, so not only is he not that player, but it’s probably more likely that he declines over the remaining years.
If they had Arenado on a 1 yr deal, your point would make sense, but they don’t…that’s what’s wrong with him.
Too valuable of a property. Probably best to shut him down for the season unless this is a very minor set back.
Give a guy a $3M raise and he gets hurt for most of the year. Go figure. This has got to be the worse year for injuries.
I agree with lordd99, leave Flahurty on the shelf the rest of year. The Redbirds will be extremely lucky to get that 2nd wild card. Bummer.
This thread has just gotten too personal! We are all re mature, Can’t we try and have fun not hate! Just thinking, I know dangerous, BUT!
Toast.
Is anyone else worried about Reyes? He has had a rough month.
It’s not going to happen this year, Cardinals fans so let’s get ready to compete next year, huh? Let Jack rest and get ready for 2022 when Yadi and Waino are back. There’s just been too many injuries this year, not the FO fault, let’s move forward.
Plus a ton of money coming off the books…
And Dakota Hudson will be back. After Waino resigns, pick up another starter and a middle infielder and they’ll still have 50m to play with. Bada bing.
If there’s one thing people need to learn, it’s don’t count on a pitcher coming off surgery to be an impact player his first year back.
Uhhh, Alex Reyes?
It’s a lot different when you recover right after the season is over and have an entire offseason to get back to form. This isn’t a recovered in May and stuck right into a rotation type situations, Hudson is more likely than not to be the same pitcher pre-injury.
Ton of money coming off, and first thing they do is give a 40 year old catcher $10M.
A catcher who is still top ten in baseball…yea I would give that also…dear Lordy people are stupid and don’t know what they are talking about ..plus they already are paying him 9 mil so they added an additional 1 mil..oh no..stop embarrassing yourself
Yea, Yadier Molina. Heard of him? Kind of a legend in our town who can still control the basepaths better than anyone, hits above leave average and will be a stabilizing influence for a retooled rotation. The legend retires as a singular rarity in the modern age having played 19 seasons wearing the birds on the bat and with Knisner as backup and Herrera on the way – another MO masterstroke.
It was a mistake to sign Molina for another Nostalgia Year….. should have cut bait before now. Money should have been spent elsewhere. No, none of us are embarrassed to state that truth.
Go back to the Cubs page, dude
They didn’t sign him for another nostalgia year…he is a top ten catcher in baseball! He made the all star team this year and still throws out runners just as good as anyone in the MLB…plus this gives an incentive for wainwright to resign…this is a great move
Not to mention he is an above average hitting catcher and what I love most about Molina is he is a clutch hitter…no one really even talks about that…when it matters the man is a machine
Nobody steals anymore, stop shoving that made up intangible down everyone’s throat.Thats like saying “nobody brandished a riding crop like Yadi anymore!”
throwing out baserunners is not “intangible”..lol…but keep on posting about how nobody steals anymore….
Yadi’s skill with a riding crop is also unparalleled.
Top 10 in baseball by what measurement?
I’m surprised Yadi didn’t use his Jedi level intangibles to prevent that injury to Flaherty.
Cards 18-14 in Knizner starts behind plate. 46-46 with Molina. I guess Knizner calls a pretty good game too. Manages it well.