Anyone who’s even loosely followed the 2021 MLB season knows it’s been a disaster year for the Twins. The American League Central’s last-place club, Minnesota has already traded Nelson Cruz, will likely trade Michael Pineda in the coming days and will surely have interest in several other key pieces. That said, given the team’s payroll space, cost-controlled group of young hitters, solid farm system and other factors, it’s long seemed likely they’ll aim to reload and be competitive again in 2022. Owner Jim Pohlad effectively confirmed that this week in an interview with Dan Hayes of The Athletic.
Asked by Hayes whether this nightmarish season could “change your direction to rebuilding,” Pohlad replied emphatically: “Absolutely not. We want to be in the win window all the time. We expected that to be the case this year.”
Obviously, that didn’t happen for the Twins, who have weathered absences for Byron Buxton, Mitch Garver, Luis Arraez, Max Kepler, Kenta Maeda, Pineda and others. More problematic has been that nearly all of Minnesota’s offseason free-agent expenditures (the since-traded Cruz being a notable exception) have failed to live up to expectations.
The subsequent 43-58 record has positioned the Twins as a clear deadline seller, but Pohlad’s comments today reinforce what was already widely expected: this isn’t likely to be an “everything must go” fire sale. The team is receiving interest in players controlled beyond 2021, most notably top starter Jose Berrios, but the asking price on him has reportedly been high and focused on near-MLB assets. Given Pohlad’s comments and the fact that the Twins zeroed in on Triple-A pitchers in last week’s Cruz trade — both Joe Ryan and Drew Strotman could be options in Minnesota this year — that focus on big-league-ready talent is to be expected.
All of this is particularly worth considering as the clock ticks toward Friday’s 4pm ET trade deadline. For instance, MLB.com’s Jon Morosi tweeted this morning that the Twins have had some early talks on Kepler. That was already known after multiple reports linked Kepler to the Yankees last week, but the broader question of Kepler’s general “availability” (or lack thereof) should be considered in conjunction with ownership’s comments. Were the Twins looking to completely start over, players like Kepler, Berrios, Taylor Rogers (prior to his finger injury) and others would be strong trade candidates. As it stands, they’re more long shots with weighty asking prices.
It’s also possible that some of the impending free agents who do seem like locks to move could be flipped and then again pursued in free agency. Pineda, who pitched well tonight in what could be his final start with the Twins, told reporters after the game that Minnesota has come to feel like home and he hopes to remain (Twitter link via MLB.com’s Do-Hyoung Park). A trade still seems overwhelmingly likely, but Hayes tweets that Pineda would have interest in returning for 2022 and beyond even if (or when) he is ultimately traded this week.
Simodine
This owner is starting to sound like the rockies owner.
You have to know when your window is closed. They have some young talent and should look to trade off some chips to build around them and compete again in a couple of years.
hiflew
It’s amazing how some fans wonder why some mid-market teams aren’t content with competing 2 years out of every 5. Of course it is usually the fans of large market teams that never have to rebuild are the ones thinking that. Oh well, let them eat cake I guess.
LordD99
Their window is not closed.
1984wasntamanual
If they have a ton of things go well for them and poorly for the rest in their division, then they may have a chance, but it’s pretty much closed. Looking forward the next couple years, the WS look to be a better team and the Indians are probably a better team.
I can buy the argument that their division isn’t the strongest, so they may have a chance, but really, what percentage chance?
someoldguy
Po’lad.. we are lying to you because if they don’t you won’t buy tickets… the Facts are clear… The twins Have 6 free agents after this season.. ( including Cruz) The twins have No real pitching coming up .. 7 – 26 man roster players next season.. ( Sano, Berrios, Buxton, Colome, Rogers, Duffey and Minaya) that is a rebuild in its self a full 1/2 of the roster and the next 2 year.. Donaldson, Kepler, Maeda, Garver according to Sport Trac).. so in the next 3 years 17 Top line player Gone.. Plus they have the White sox who stepped thru the ” window” the Twins had claimed for themselves… The Tigers are rising.. KC is rising.. and the Twins Have no “Stars”.. and NO TOP PITCHING in the minors… The Minnesota Mediocres… will want to ” compete” to sell tickets… but building a championship team… that has been a lie since they got their tax payer funded stadium in 2010… the record is clear….
bighead306
No stars? Buxton? No too starting pitching in the minors??? They have 2 pitches in the top 100 mlb prospects
someoldguy
no stars in the Minors… not One pitcher that screams ACE… not one.. most of their Pitching .. as history has shown.. will be lucky to be a Closer.. … They have Mediocrity.. Gordon was a top Prospect… now looking like a Utility guy with no bat.. .. Sano was # 2.. and he is a 2 true outcomes after 7 years in the Majors.. 7 years.. Buxton was # 1.. and finally after 7 years he looked good for a few weeks.. but he is averaging about 66 days in the line up per season.. They Have No ready to go Top Talents… if they did they’d be in the Majors… and they are not..
tstats
Why all the periods mate it’s eye gore
TwinsFan8791
Hey…guys…you…all…like…ellipsis…?…
LordD99
He’s smart, though, because he’s also trying out the new, abbreviated two dot ellipsis.. he’s someoldguy.. but he knows the youngerkids want to be served up quickly..
someoldguy
so the 2 top Twin Pitching prospects: jhoan duran: is shut down for the season.. once again the Twins will try rehabbing an arm that will likely need surgery.. the canadian.. Balazovic… well according to scouting report the best he’ll be is a midde of the rotation arm.. but more likely he’ll end up per Prospects Live: Future Role: #5 Starter on a contender/Above average setup man.. you don’t win with Middle of the rotation arms.. you win with Aces and Top #2s..
Samuel
@ someoldguy;
Think about changing your handle……
How about “mrsunshince”? “glasshalffull”? “somethinggoodtosay”?
Run ’em around the block for a test ride.
someoldguy
I’m sorry if people would rather live in a make believe world.. me I’ve seen this stuff since the 1960’s… the reality is they were waiting for the sure thing season, rather than gambling and taking smart chances. and the end results are the twins are now Well behind the WSox for the foreseeable future in the terms of talent. The Twins =have no premium pitching…. while the WSox and Detroit and Cleveland have it in abundance… There are no sure things in baseball… 307 Home runs are a meaningless stat when it comes to the post season.. The twins hold the record for most consecutive post seasons games lost at 18 (i believe) a record that surpasses every Major Pro sport… and why is that? Lack of top shelf pitching…. Even this Year the twins are top 5 in the MLB in Home runs hit.. of course they are also in the top 5 of home runs allowed.. and as much as I’d like to see them win one more championship before I die.. with Po’lad the ticket seller, as the owner… I’m afraid The reality is unless they get Lucky… I won’t see another championship in my life time..
refereemn77
Jesus, just quit watching then. I’ve sat next to your kind at games. It’s tough to just enjoy things once in a while huh? And if you’ve been watching since the 60s, you surely remember 87 & 91?
someoldguy
don’t tell me who I can watch.. and i surely remember 87 and 91… different owner.. different management… they wanted to win a championship… and they spent and traded to get one.. In 89 they traded Viola.. Cy Young All Star for the pitching that made them champions in 91.. I also remember the promises made when they came to the state hat in hand for a new stadium.. the new money was to be spent on Player upgrades and keeping their stars.. and did they live up to that promise… NO… They got the stadium in 2010… and payroll was slashed after 2011.. they went into rebuild… and that has now failed.. Twins fans should be like me.. showing what a POS the owner is.. in hopes we can get a real baseball lover willing to spend what the community supports them with for the community…
Johnny Vegas
I mean, the pPohlads owned the Twins back in ’87 and 91. Not sure who the owner is now, Maybe I should look into that.
phantomofdb
In the same breath you say “there are no sure things in baseball” and “the twins are behind the white Sox for the foreseeable future”.
Nobody expected the twins to massively underperform this year. If they fix a couple things and regroup next year, and the white Sox regress at all… like you said, nothing is a sure thing.
Also, it’s ridiculous to say the 18 game anomaly losing streak is due to never having too pitching. Some of those games were lost by Johan Santana.
youngTank15
What’s with all of the periods?
captainskol
no Twins fan should be like you someoldguy. If we have too many fans like you cheering for this team would be miserable. Proclaiming we have no young talent like we didn’t get to see the glimpses of Larnach, Kiriloff, and Gordon. Balazovic is currently destroying the minors and is on a 19 Inning scoreless streak. He also isn’t going to be a reliever or setup man like you claim. He will be called up by the end of the year to start! Also you seem to forget we have Kepler, Polanco, Garver, Maeda, and Rogers to go with our finally emerging new young core. Oh and no star power. We have Buxton who in an interview last night said he wants to play in MN for the rest of his career and the extension talks are far from over. Also Berrios will be back next year unless he is traded for a massive haul that will also help the Twins next year and not 5 years down the road. But I guess you know better and want to be stuck bitching about an owner who says we are not going into a rebuild cause yet again you know more about baseball then our front office. You sound miserable in every post and comment you make. I don’t think sports is for you cause obviously you don’t get it. The majority of Twins nation is excited about the up and coming youth and we will write off this season as a nightmare and look to the future with excitement while you wallow in your grumpinesss and malcontentness. Oh and learn how to construct sentences without 1000 periods. You sound like an idiot.
Ham Fighter
It’s that time of the month for him
someoldguy
phantomofdb: Funny you should say that: I’m in a prediction contest and I did.. I said straight out they would be lucky to win 81 games.. I have been in that contest for well over a decade.. and calling the season.. good or bad.. well i haven’t missed that in over a decade.. as far as the twins Fixing things.. that what they did this year.. and when I see the additions and subtraction and watch them in spring training I’ll once again say if they stink.. or be the Mediocre team they plan to be .. good enough to win a division.. but not good enough to win a world series. But barring unforseen.. the WSox will have a better team next year… and that Pitching is going to be phenomenal.. barring injuries..
someoldguy
captainskol: what you don’t like reality: Have you watched Lurch? Or Gordon ( who by thew way looks like a natural at Center field… (now about that bat…) The majority of Twins nation like the mediocrity they have been sold.. I’m not one of them.. They got their stadium.. I want championship caliber teams as promised..
someoldguy
HidekiMatsuimalemodel… yes thinking objectively is a lost art .. all the rubes with their blinders on can’t see their teams for what they are
youngTank15
Again with the periods.
captainskol
Yeah that old guy is clueless about baseball and grammar. Only thing he is good at is bitching and whining.
someoldguy
yep i flunked english… but i passed calculus I,II. AND III.. and i know reality when i see it.. you and the fantasists… living in a make believe world..
youngTank15
But why all the periods?
someoldguy
frankly i find by breaking up the thoughts to small packets its easier to follow the thoughts
FanSince1961
someoldguy, I follow sites like this because I’m actually interested in EVERYONE’s thoughts as fans. I’d like to understand yours too as you obviously have a lot of comments. However, “breaking up the thoughts to small packets” maybe easier for YOU to follow, but it is unreadable. We’re taught standard punctuation and grammar for a reason. “Breaking up thoughts,” is what a sentence is for. I literally can’t read your stuff. Sorry, not sorry, mate.
someoldguy
Well Mate it looks like you don’t understand the diversity of the world… I’m not you.. I shouldn’t be held to your standards…. we see many unthinking comments .. attacks on people.. but they don’t have to be.. ..you see mate.. this is the way i write.. its because i was born with a form of Autism… and I never could get a handle on the rules of writing… but I understand baseball …
BuyBuyMets
The Twins always have pitchers in the top 100 prospects. As a result of their player development deficiencies, only one per decade ever makes any impact.
But a good number of them do succeed elsewhere.
ohyeadam
It’s very true many Twins failed starters succeed elsewhere as quality relievers. Maybe they’re waiting too long to pull the plug on these people starting because they never have enough quality starters.
The old man speaks the truth. Anytime Twins have a high aav contract (Mauer, Donaldson) it seems thy go straight into rebuild mode right after. Mauer contract was a must sign imo. Donaldson I’ll admit I was excited for at the time. It seemed like the window was open and they had finally made a win now move which never happens in Twins Territory.
Samuel
This applies to all teams in MLB…….
Since the beginning of free agency, I’m not aware of a team that signed a group of expensive free agents and / or took on salaries in trades in one or two years, that suddenly got to the WS one year.
Generally teams have to be competitive with a core of players for a few years – competitive (in todays environment) meaning making the playoff’s a few times. From there a team can add a player or a few players that fit with those on the roster and send the team over the top.
As I recall, the Twins were looking for impact free agent pitching a few years ago. Those available elected to sign elsewhere. The Twins pivoted and signed Donaldson – which was a surprise to most that follow the sport. In 2020 they came up short, then fell apart in 2021. I’s pretty clear that the Twins core was not as strong as it may have appeared.
Were the Twins to now regroup and be a contender in a short period of time, they would have to have a group of young players in their pipeline that can be major contributors starting next year. Again, this would apply to any MLB team in this situation, When a team has pretty much gone all in with payroll and veteran players and fallen short, they have to take a step back and give more playing time to younger, cheaper players. Don’t care who the ownership is or what their payroll budget is.
1984wasntamanual
“Since the beginning of free agency, I’m not aware of a team that signed a group of expensive free agents and / or took on salaries in trades in one or two years, that suddenly got to the WS one year.”
The 97 Marlins seem to fit this. Their payroll went from 20th in 1996 to 5th in 1997 and won the world series.
1984wasntamanual
Top 100 pitching prospects do not = top starting pitching. They’re ranked middle and back end of the top 100. Buxton could be a star, but to call him that after 110 PAs seems incredibly premature.
puigpower
Sounds like a lot of dodger fans before we won a Championship. Some fans just love being negative.
Oldschoolandthemets1980
Health injuries and staying on the field aside,please trade Buxton to Queens lol.
jeb39999
I guess we will see what they do, if they don’t find a way to resign Buxton and Barrios it’s hard not to call whatever they do a rebuild
David Barista
Absolutely not winning the AL Central in the next 5 years
Baldkid
HAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHA – they were the worst team in the league a couple of years ago and won the division the next. I am NOT saying it’s going to happen, but teams in any sport can have turn around time in 2-3 years.
David Barista
I mean 5 years is a long time, so that prediction is just a joke…. looks like the Twins have some good pitching in the minors (Joe Ryan, Jordan Balazovic)… if they can keep healthy Buxton and Royce Lewis, then maybe 2023? Donaldson’s contract is regrettable… when you trade Nelson Cruz, you’re “absolutely” in a rebuild…
captainskol
I wouldn’t say it is a rebuild just cause we dealt Cruz. It sucks but Cruz deserved a shot on a contender and not a cellar dweller. He is 41 and a free agent to be. We got quality MLB ready arms in return. It is a nightmare season in MN but there is hope on the horizon. What doesn’t get traded and what we do in the off-season will dictate what next year will be. A couple good moves with our young core and we will rebound quickly.
Baldkid
The Cruz trade could be a brilliant move if he gets his ring and then re-signs with the Twins in the off season. Twins did that with Rick Agullera at least once (maybe twice), traded him in his free agent year and then re-signed him in the off season.
martras
Jeez. I feel out of place in here since I’m not posting to correct grammar, predict fire and brimstone from the skies or misquote Twins history.
The Twins are in a bad spot for sure. As was noted above, they’re probably division bottom feeders right now for the next several years considering the status of their competition, but it all depends on what the Twins are willing to do this offseason. While they do have a lot of players who will be free agents or are likely to be traded, they also have an enormous amount of payroll capacity as a result and the 2022 free agent class looks absolutely stacked.
As far as team controlled young talent though, the Twins look pretty solid. Garver, Kirilloff, Polanco, Arraez and Kepler. On the pitching side though, it’s once again an empty cupboard at the MLB level with potential guys in the high minors like Balazovic, Winder, Moran, Ryan and a couple others who seem to have potential. Nobody really screaming top of the rotation arm, though.
Luckily, the ulra risk averse Twins ownership will see something they’ll likely never see again this offseason. Several legitimate, but aging, aces hitting free agency at the same time. Guys who suit the cheapass owner’s prerogative of never signing expensive long term pitchers, ever. Scherzer, Verlander, Greinke are all due to hit free agency (I’m ignoring Kershaw as that’s not going to happen). With several other good pitchers who will command lower AAV in Stroman, Jansen, Duffy, and severl more options as well. It’s a free agency bonanza.
1984wasntamanual
“We want to be in the win window all the time” – this sounds like something you’d read in the comment section on this site. Every team wants to be in the win window all the time, however reality doesn’t work that way.
nottinghamforest13
Reportedly Don Wakamatsu is being vetted as an option to lead the team going forward to get a change of pace.
David Barista
Absolutely not in a rebuild….