The Phillies may not have played as well as they’d hoped after an active first offseason under new front office leaders Dave Dombrowski and Sam Fuld, but they’re still a game over .500 and only three back from the lead in a division no one has run away with just yet. Given the context of their division and Dombrowski’s reputation as an aggressive, “win-now” type of executive, it should come as little surprise that he plainly indicated this week that he has no plans to trade away veteran pieces in the week-plus leading up to the July 30 trade deadline.
“We are contending,” Dombrowski told NBC Sports Philadelphia’s John Clark on his podcast this week. “…We’re not selling. We’re not in a position where we’re looking to move players off our team.”
Dombrowski declined to tip his hand as to specific areas he could upgrade, though he did note that the bullpen has again been inconsistent and that the team’s defense “is not our strength.” The first-year Phillies president of baseball ops also pushed back on the narrative that his team doesn’t have the prospects to make substantial upgrades. Dombrowski suggested that 2020 first-rounder Mick Abel isn’t likely to be moved but generally sounded open-minded about making moves to improve his club. Phillies fans, in particular, will want to give the entire interview a listen.
While Dombrowski would only vaguely indicate that the club can “get better in a couple areas,” Jayson Stark and Matt Gelb of The Athletic report that the team is targeting fourth and fifth starters to round out the rotation, as well as back-end relievers who can help shore up the team’s late-inning relief corps.
That meshes with Dombrowski’s assessment of the rotation in his interview with Clark. The former Expos, Marlins, Tigers and Red Sox baseball ops head lauded Zack Wheeler’s work and noted that when Wheeler, Aaron Nola and Zach Eflin are all pitching up to their capabilities, “you can beat anybody” in a short playoff series. Dombrowski also repeatedly praised lefty Ranger Suarez, who has recently emerged as a ninth-inning option and generally been effective since joining the club in early May. Suarez carries a 1.22 ERA, a 27.3 percent strikeout rate, and 8.4 percent walk rate and a 65.2 percent ground-ball rate in 37 innings.
One option of particular intrigue for Phillies fans could be former Philadelphia ace Cole Hamels. The free-agent lefty held a showcase for MLB teams last week, and Dombrowski confirmed to Clark that the Phillies attended the workout and threw the ball well. While candidly acknowledging interest in the lefty, however, Dombrowski also noted that he could be 30-plus days away from joining a big league rotation, as Hamels needs to go through the equivalent of a Spring Training buildup. That doesn’t provide the Phils or anyone else immediate help — and that’s something the Phillies could use with Eflin on the injured list at the moment.
With regard to specific trade targets, Dombrowski appears to still be casting a wide net and gauging asking prices throughout the league. Stark and Gelb write that the Phils have checked on “every closer who could be available” but aren’t limiting their search to current closers. The Phillies, like every other team, are cognizant of the fact that the next week could determine whether a few clubs operate as buyers or make some veterans available.
Dombrowski spoke about that tenuous balance with Clark, noting that it’d take something catastrophic (e.g. a 10-game losing streak) for the Phillies to sell. On the flip side, however, as a team looking to buy, that fine line being walked by so many other clubs could lead to players becoming available just before the deadline. “All of a sudden, [another team] loses three in a row, and somebody may be available that you weren’t anticipating to be available,” Dombrowski said to Clark.
There’s an argument that the Phillies (and other buyers) should simply act now rather than take the wait-and-see approach that is so prevalent throughout the game at the moment. But every front office is at the mercy of how much ownership will spend, and investing immediate resources only to find that a more desirable target is available a couple of days down the road is a risk when payroll isn’t unlimited.
Roster Resource’s Jason Martinez has the Phillies about $4.2MM from the $210MM luxury threshold. Stark, however, reports that the feeling among other clubs who’ve spoken with the Phillies about potential trades is that they’d be willing to cross that barrier for the first time in franchise history. That doesn’t mean Phils fans should assume there’s no limit to what Dombrowski can spend on outside acquisitions, but it’s a critical piece of context to consider as the deadline looms.
Looking around the league, there are plenty of fourth starter types available. Minnesota’s Michael Pineda, Colorado’s Jon Gray, Pittsburgh’s Tyler Anderson and Chicago’s Zach Davies are among the names available. There’s no need for the Phils to limit themselves to rental starters, either; Andrew McCutchen, Odubel Herrera, Archie Bradley, Chase Anderson, Matt Moore, Brad Miller, Vince Velasquez, Hector Neris, Brandon Kintzler and Matt Joyce are all coming off the roster at season’s end. The Phils still have $134MM committed to their 2022 books even with that large group of pending free agents, but this is a team that opened the 2021 season with a $197MM payroll and is now willing to add to it. Merrill Kelly, Matthew Boyd and Kyle Gibson are among the names available who could be moved even though they’re controlled through the 2022 season.
Well, you didn’t think DD was going to sit on his hands, did you? Buying or selling, just not his way.
And enough about selling the farm; flags fly forever, and that’s all that counts. I don’t think there’s enough there, but he’ll squeeze whatever there is. And the NL East is eminently win-able.
For the Phillies situation in my mind he’s the man for the job. The Phil’s are too top heavy. They’ve signed guys like Harper, Wheeler, Realmuto, etc… but haven’t filled the supporting cast which has kept them a middling .500. But you don’t bring in DD to do enough to win you do it to do more than enough to win. Say what you will about his use of prospects but he built a Boston team that was incredible from top to bottom. You could say he left Boston with a mess but did he really? Look how fast that team has rebounded and without their ace in Chris Sale. I think any franchise and their fans would take a WS in exchange for a brief retool. All I know for sure however is signing the stars they have to go .500 is unacceptable. You make moves like that you can’t get super worked up about protecting guys that can’t help you for years to come if they even develop the way you hope. For that I’d take DD any day. They are going to go over the LT threshold this year or next I think that’s clear and are likely to stay there until their push for a title comes to a close
I’m not sure how comfortable Red Sox Nation would have been with Moncada and Kopech, looking up at Chris Sale in Yankee pinstripes; the White Sox were going to trade him somewhere. And DD didn’t “destroy” the farm; some less than wonderful drafting (happens to everybody, especially with later picks) and injuries are the villains there.
The idea of getting Cole Hamels back is a good one, he’ll be a cheaper addition, and he can provide some veteran guidance to the younger pitchers, as A.J. Burnett did with the Pirates.
As a decades long Phillies fan, who cried when Luzinski fumbled the ball way back when, I am both excited and terrified by Dombrowski. But at least he will attempt something. Hope he takes a cue from 76’ers Morey…….
Luzinski fumbling that ball on Black Friday(1977) is the only time I’ve cried after a baseball game. Ozark always brought in Jerry Martin as a defensive replacement. Anyway, Dombrowski generally doesn’t sit on his hands. The next week should be interesting.
I do not remember if I cried or was too stunned after Joe Carter hit the home run, but that was the game I remember. Irrelevant I know.
After almost 10 years of no playoffs, I am happy if DD does anything. I won’t complain. Better to be aggressive and fail than do nothing and be mediocre.
I cried.
I was stunned. I had to hear it on the radio because I was at a haunted hayride. I was 14. I remember it like it just happened.
I cried when Michael Jack retired.
I love Dombrowski but his achilles heel will forever be the bullpen.
@thebluefish
The Dark Knight could be had and I think he could make a great closer
I know being an Orioles fan requires a certain amount of delusion but you aren’t serious whatsoever I hope? Matt Harvey is going to be a great closer the Phillies need?
They need a starter, a closer and possibly an OF, they don’t have much to trade so unless they find someone who wants to do a major salary dump , I’m not optimistic they will acquire any gamechangers.
They have a closer in ranger Suarez
Who promptly blew a save in his first few days a closer. Frankly I think they should try and get a real closer and move Suarez to starter if they can.
The man has 3 saves, a 1.22 ERA, and 39 K’s in 37 innings. He’s used to pitching an inning or two.
So he blew one save and now he should be a starter and the Phillies should trade for another closer.
LOL
Do you work? Is this how your employer treats you?
Relievers are probably more readily available than starters and Suarez was a starter before and would give them a 4th quality starter
By the way , I started and have run my own successful business for 28 years…
They don’t need game changers. They have Realmuto Harper Cutch Wheeeler etc. They need a backend starter and 2 relievers. Maybe 2 and 3. They don’t need Hendrick and Kimbrel. They need Anderson and Shreve.
The Phillies track record with bringing in less than strong closers to the bullpen has been disastrous the last two years.
Dombrowski and his FO were not there the past 2 years.
They did sign or trade for
several relievers over last
Winter….
After the next 2 series (or sooner) Morton, Smith and Smyly could be available for cheap
Whatever happened with Chase Anderson
*yikes*
He’s rehabbing in the minors…and not doing all that well…I think the Phils would just as soon unload him at this point.
So, to sum up the past week or so: every team is looking for pitching upgrades, about 75% of the league might be buyers depending on what happens in the next few days, maybe half of the league might be willing to exceed the luxury tax threshold if they have to, and just about nobody from any team will confirm any of this.
Glad to see the Phillies be aggressive. I’m patiently waiting for Farhan Zaidi to do the same.
What, talk aggressively about being aggressive if they are still in the hunt in a week?
A solid #3 or #4 type of arm would be nice. Of course some bullpen help, but it’s dangerous to overpay for FA relievers.
@ VonPurpleHayes;
Dombrowski, Girardi , and new pitching coach Caleb Cotham are doing a great job getting the team ready for the stretch run.
The CF hole has been plugged with Travis Jankowski. Great D. Smarts. Speed and hitting in the lower third of the order.
The bullpen is slowly coming together……
– Ranger Suarez has become the closer. Works off an exceptional change-up which makes his other pitches effective. Calm. Doesn’t overreact. Reminds me of the Pirates Richard Rodriguez.
– Archie Bradley is being squared away to be a nice late inning set-up guy.
– Girardi has found that Jose Alvarado and Hector Neris cannot close or take the late inning pressure. They both come out half the time throwing the ball 8-12 inches off the plate – inside, outside, high, low. Even if they get through the inning it takes 20-30 pitches. They’re fine pitching in the 5th-7th innings, where if they screw up there’s still time for the Phillies to come back and win the game. They seem relaxed pitching there and don’t come out wild (yes, there is such a thing as clutch). Every once in a while they can be put back in the late innings, but then they’ll start to think too much again.
– Coonrod, Brogdon, Kintzler, and Falter are all inconsistent. Girardi has to spot them well. At times they can pitch the late innings.
Their 4th and 5th starters mess up most of the time. But so do most teams. Who’s available for a reasonable price?
In short, you need to look at the positives. Nola had a Nola-type outing after the All-Star break. First time in quite a while. All the talk about the Mets winning with injuries – how about the Phillies winning with Nola pitching as a #3? They have a new pitching coach that’s been working with the staff for 5 months. They will not turn on a dime. ML bullpens have to be debugged through the season. Realistically the Phillies need to find and develop a few more relief pitchers. In spite of todays game, Cristopher Sanchez is extremely impressive. Excellent minor league numbers. The coaching staff has to help him adjust to ML competition.
As a long-time Phillie fan you tend to be skeptical. That’s understandable, particularly due to the last FO and Manager / Coaching Staff. But Dombrowski and Girardi are credentialed and totally professional. The team is constantly executing better. Because the NLE is so weak I’ve felt since Spring Training that the Phillies will take the division (as you know). They don’t have the prospect capital or payroll space to make a major move. They have to continue to develop players on the roster during the season. They’re doing that. It’s a process.
Whoops……
Girardi just put Neris into the 7th inning of a tie game against the Yankees……
2 singles and a 3-run HR.
This is not a winning player. He cannot be put into critical situations. Alvarado as well.
Girardi had a real bad series. Wasting outs. He was pretty exposed in these two winnable games. Oh well. Onto the next one.
Once a Yankee, always a Yankee at heart…..
You may be correct, but I will say this…….
I don’t watch any games that are tied at the end of the 9th inning.
It’s not just that I’m traditional and adverse to gimmicks. It’s that giving a team a runner at 2B when they haven’t earned it after 9 innings of making teams earn it, is ridiculous. What’s next? A team gets a bonus run if they hit 60 foul balls by the 7th inning? Doubles are wild, so if a team gets a single after 2 doubles in an inning they’re allowed 4 outs that inning?
I thought Bowie Kuhn was a joke as a Commissioner. This marketing maven they have now is ruining the sport.
Who knows – maybe next they can have a rule that the fan that throws the hardest at the pitching machine in the concourse will be allowed to pitch the 9th inning for the home team.
Jon Gray’s got a 78 ERA-. That’s the same territory as Eovaldi, Musgrove, Darvish, and Marquez. He’s a heckuva lot better than a 4th starter.
Hey I would love Gray, but I’m setting my expectations lower.
The Phillies need a SP Bama bad as they need a bullpen arm.
Phillies over Twins in 2084
That’ll be the next time either make the WS
Good. One of the most important decisions a GM can make is to know when to tank or win to go all-in. The NYMs can be had. Phillies should blow the cap away.
Must be a slow week if the best we can do is the big money teams being willing to spend more money….and draft pick signings. nobody cares unless they dont sign players from the first few rounds not when they do
I would like them to swing a deal for Andrelton Simmons and Michael Pineda. That would be a huge first step. Sign Hamels and add Ian Kennedy or, if Bohm becomes a trade piece, an even better backend reliever.
I feel like these are realistic moves. Simmons would honestly be the most important addition imo. Segura was solid at third last year and you can slide Didi to second. Going up the middle with Realmuto, Simmons, Didi, Jankowski and Odubel really helps this defense.
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Quiting because it will be difficult to win or need an excuse as to.why you didn’t give.it.your all.
Every contending team in baseball is looking for a Starter and/or bullpen help. The prediction of injuries and lack of innings fatigue from CoVid shortened 2020 seemingly coming true.
Looking at fourth starters, bullpen upgrades. Name a team in MLB that isn’t.
A washed up injury prone Hamels isn’t the answer
Good thing more than half of the team has refused to get COVID vaccines and now has had several players effected by it & missing games.
This is a .500 team and won’t win the NL East unless 83-84 wins clinches it.
Wheeler + Didi+ prospect(s) to bring Trout home ….full contracts……who says NO ?
I’d say Philly declines , If I’m Arte I’m pursuing this
I’m starting to believe the Angels might ACTUALLY trade Trout if he consented ..Id think PHI LAD or SD (He lives in Newport 80 mins from SD) would be only 3 destinations he’d agree too
I’ve never seen the Angels crowd get half as excited for anything Mike Trout’s done as they do for Ohtani when he’s just tying his shoe in pre-game on the field. Im not even talking great prospects up there for the + but Philly has to take ALL the money
You need to find a better hobby than baseball. Unbelievable terrible post. That , and I just think you would love Trout out of the A.L. west.
Too deep for ya , I get it
If your thinking there’s a ton of Surplus in trout at 9 x 37 your the one who needs a new hobby
If your thinking Angels can support Trout Rendon AND Ohtani on the ledger your nuts –
I could give 2 rips about the AL West , fan of neither Angels or Phillies
Only in the NL East.
Hey the Cardinals won 2 World Series by being mediocre in a terrible division. All you got to do is get to the dance.
Insanity is doing the same thing over and over again and expecting a different result. I feel that unless we go big, I mean go for broke big at this Trade Deadline, then patching this team up with a few add-on players at the Trade Deadline will not cut it. Maybe it will win the NL East, but is that all we want?
Accept this is not our year and exchange outgoing and tradeable players (Cutch, Segura, Bradley, etc.) for younger talent, Spend the next 9 months analyzing the talent within the system, obtainable through trades and FA, and retooling a more well rounded team around a very talented core.
With this being said, who would like to see the CBT exceeded, a trade for Bryant + Kimbrel and maybe at least a #3-type SP?
Kind of exciting to think about.
A managerial upgrade would be good too. Girardi doing his usual losing games by managerial ineffectiveness.
Girardi has been bad. Worse than Kapler for sure. But he can only work with the tools he has.
Wouldn’t spend a nickel on this group.
Bringing back Hamels for what would likely be a fairwell tour could be good. Phillies had success with Pedro Martinez as a mid-season signing that paid off (until the World Series anyway).
Boyd is interesting because it was Dombrowski that brought him to Detroit in the David Price to Toronto trade. Dave obviously sees something there that no one else does.
Perhaps Dave could do one stop shopping and get Gibson and Kennedy from the Rangers. Would solve both problems. Not sure what it would cost but for Dombrowski prospects are no object
The Phillies should have cut bait on Matt Moore long ago. If they do acquire a viable 4th or 5th starter, he should be released.
Moore’s been good of late. Better than Nola oddly.
After 3 outta 4 losses to Atl they will be sellers and start with Nola,Hoskins,Segura,Gregorius and start to move on and over the winter trade Wheeler and try to move Harper.
You are not moving Harper. Bryce has a full no-trade clause and is owed $248 million over the next 10 years. No team will take on that kind of money in a trade, unless Cashman wants another Stanton type albatross to hang around his neck
I forgot to say you will need to eat alot of the Harper money
Because the way the Braves are playing really makes me think they’ll take 3 in Philadelphia. This whole division stinks. Phillies can take it. So can the Braves. So can the Mets of course. I say go all in. This team sucks at rebuilding. Absolutely terrible at it.
Please deal Hoskins anyway you can
Hoskins is a great slugger who can’t field. Every team has and needs one. He’s streaky, but will get you 40+ homers and a ton of RBIs. He’s the best hitter on the team. I don’t love the guy, but I don’t get the hate. Anyway, it looks like they’re going to lose their 3rd consecutive game. So they’re back to being bad and probably won’t be buying. So we’re stuck for another 5-10 years in this mediocre limbo.
Oh and fire Girardi and give Wathan the helm
I can easily see Girardi begging off or making some sort of agreement to leave politely whenever he gets a chance. He looks like he wants no parts of fixing this team.
This was an interesting read (comments)….for the 2nd year in a row, the Phils have the worst bullpen in MLB…..In all fairness to DD, I feel he went out to fix the problem and most of us here said so at the time..
For me, I am hoping we are not gonna hear about a lingering arm/shoulder problem with Nola..Whatever, there is something wrong..
During the off season, I said this team needs arm, arms, and more arms..When they were done with that, they would still need arms..I see that nothing has changed……..I have little to propose the fix other than maybe Kimbrel..
I do see that Kris Bryant might be available…That could be a few fixes all in one..Like a 3rd baseman that can catch the ball, an outfielder that plays well out there and a 1st baseman ..It would give DD flexibility now and for next year with the DH arriving..
As a lifer, I’ve seen players like Bohm come and go, I’d dump his ass for Bryant.
On another note, I am beyond thrilled to see that the 7 inning double headers will be trashed..Also, placing a runner on 2nd will be gone also..Yippieeeeeeeee!
I know there is talk about outlawing the shifts…While I hate the shifts, it seems like a part of baseball strategy….
Maybe they can moderate shifts a bit. Like infielders can’t be too deep in the outfield or something. I agree it’s part of strategy, but it makes the game tough to watch. It also destroyed Ryan Howard.
This team is free-falling. That little run was fool’s gold. Mediocrity would be a step up for this team. One good SP two mediocre and the rest garbage. They have two or three keepers in the bullpen and the rest are gas cans. This team is a hot mess.
They always do this htbnm57. They’re not as bad as they’re playing now, but they’re not as good as they were playing when they were hot. Mediocre is exactly what they are. Sure. Blow it up. Sell. I have no faith selling will work. It never does. This organization is hopeless.
There’s not a single player that should be safe on this team. I know at the end of the season we’ll hear a litany of excuses: Bryce was hurt, JT’s hand never really healed etc. but it’s just crap. Also Klentak should never work again.
Some nights they look like a great team, then they just disappear.
Nola is a 3rd starter. Tops.
Nola was an ace until this year. His regression is really concerning. Eflin’s regression, while less dramatic, is also extremely concerning. Everyone on this team went backwards except for Wheeler.
Caleb Cotham? Another “must “ hire?
What team(s) did Cotham pitch with oh that’s right no pro teams why would any big league pitcher listen to him about anything.
Always said that about him all scouting reports said said it accept the Phils
If I was Dave D, I’d stop looking already this week. He should just get out of the office and enjoy the summer. No use busting it for this crew.
Bottom line Phillies suck and full of losers the play last night was that of 1/2 vaccinated losers not wanting to win.Dumbo needs to sell starting with Wheeler and Nola and go from there we need to rebuild and get players from winning organizations with winning attitudes.Bryce will be crying to get out by the winter and maybe unload him if we eat some salary.We are in a bad spot and need to basically start over.We could be 500 with a bunch of
young guys and build so I see no downside to doing it.They also need to fire Girardi the leader of the circus.