It’s no secret the Padres have been interested in Rangers star Joey Gallo for at least the past few weeks. Evan Grant of the Dallas Morning News sheds some light on the teams’ conversations, reporting that San Diego has inquired about Texas’ willingness to acquire Eric Hosmer as part of the deal. If Texas were willing to take on some of Hosmer’s contract, the Friars could potentially make top outfield prospect Robert Hassell III available, according to Grant.
Ken Rosenthal and Dennis Lin of the Athletic reported earlier this week that the Padres were discussing potential Hosmer trades. The goal, of course, would be to clear some of the first baseman’s remaining contract from the books. Hosmer signed an eight-year, $144MM deal during the 2017-18 offseason. He’s playing this season on a $20MM salary (of which around $7.2MM remains through the end of the year), and he’ll make the same amount next season. He’ll make $13MM each season from 2023-25, unless he triggers an opt-out clause after the 2022 campaign.
Rosenthal and Lin reported that San Diego currently sits a couple million dollars north of the $210MM luxury tax threshold. While ownership is reportedly willing to exceed that mark, the Padres have also explored ways to duck back underneath, with a potential Hosmer deal part of that equation.
Unsurprisingly, Grant writes that the Friars would have to include some amount of cash to facilitate a swap involving Hosmer and Gallo. Hosmer’s hitting an average .265/.329/.378 through 363 plate appearances this season, hardly enough to hold much appeal to other teams given his significant price tag.
The Rangers’ long-term books are relatively open, which could make Texas more receptive to taking on some of Hosmer’s contract in order to add one of the game’s most dynamic prospects to the farm system. Hassell was the eighth overall pick in last year’s draft, and he’s hitting .307/.403/.455 across 325 plate appearances in Low-A this season. Baseball America ranked the 19-year-old the game’s #50 overall prospect in their midseason top 100 update.
Of course, doing so would require parting with Gallo, who is hitting a fantastic .223/.379/.490 with 25 home runs through 388 trips to the plate this year. With Gallo only controllable through 2022 and Texas looking unlikely to contend as soon as next season, he’s a sensible trade candidate. It doesn’t seem a lock he’ll be moved, as Texas has attempted to broker an extension with the slugger. However, Grant writes the sides have apparently “made little in the way of progress” on a long-term deal in recent days.
Failure to work out an extension wouldn’t make a Gallo trade a foregone conclusion, but it would make a deal seem likely. In addition to the Padres, the Yankees and Blue Jays have previously been tied to Gallo, and Grant adds that the Braves have “inquired” about his availability as well.
Gallo’s athletic enough to handle the outfield or first base, broadening his appeal to potential suitors. If a deal involving Hosmer, cash and prospects sent Gallo to San Diego, the two-time All-Star would likely step in as the Friars regular first baseman. Atlanta already has franchise icon Freddie Freeman entrenched at first and is surely looking at Gallo as a potential outfield option.
Manfred should punish the Astros by forcing them to take on Hosmer’s contract.
Haha
That’s funny
He should make Trevor Bauer take on Hosmer’s contract.
He’s all out of money after these attorney fees
Well his GF (if she still is) is his agent/attorney, so perhaps the fees are not quite that much.
She is. She’s been devout in her defense of him.
Hey to anyone who’s seen me around before, it’s been awhile! Hope y’all are well.
Padres should try to move Hosmer but he’ll have a better second half if he doesn’t. Not by a whole lot but better than the first half and this teams on and off is nothing new for the Pads. The Phillies and Mets are two other teams that year in year out look like this and Hosmer’s a BA doubles guy. You’d be better off having Adam Frazier fill in for profar or Pham when they get cold or hell trade Pham or Profar instead. They need starting pitching and Preller will probably get the right guy. He’s starting to really burn the farm to make the next few years happen instead of his long term. But dudes a good stock trader, he’ll buy and or sell and if Hosmers traded it could be either at this point only he could tell you how he sees it.
Hosmer being brought in when no one else wanted to come here in order to kickstart the team’s playoff potential is pretty past due though. 50/50 he’s traded with half the cash covered. Betting he goes east where it’s more hitter friendly.
Trevor has seen his last days.
Last days of false accusations? Yeah
That’s awesome! From your keyboard to Manfred,s ear. Make it so.
Are the Giants planning on doing anything? San Diego sure is being aggressive..
Apparently they are in on Scherzer and Duffy.
Scherzer to SF seems likely
all conjecture at this point.
“Likely”. Mhm
Don’t think so.
Still have about 44 1/2 hours left. Leverage is the name of the game!
Scenario #1
SD : PLEASE!
Texas What else you got
Scenario #2
SD: Pretty PLEASE!
Texas: Add a cherry
Scenario #3
SD: C’mon PLEASE
Texas Okay but throw in a couple of top prospects too.
And a boatload of cash.
50 no and a yes is still a yes – family guy
This was unpleasant to read.
.223 is now fantastic?
Almost there’s more to baseball than just batting average. Imo, Gallo’s glove is more valuable than his bat. If you take it from the perspective that Gallo is a glove first player, his offenisve output is outstanding.
Huh I never woulda put that perspective. He’s a great glove guy then
I stand by mlb1225. There has been at least 5 games this season that the Rangers have won purely because of Gallo’s defense. Whether that be diving plays or his cannon throws to home, the man is the most valuable OFer in the game imo and probably one of the best fielders in the game in general. Add on his amazing bat and you’ve got a guy that is – quite easily – a top 20 player in the game. Top 10 whenever his bay is hot.
Absolutely, the game the other day vs Astros 2 runs score because Eli White is in RF instead of Gallo. So, why would JD even entertain this preposterously comical idea? Gallo for a never-was 1B and a may never be OF is simply beyond absurd.
So I thought you guys were posting crazy stuff on the internet. Decided to look up Gallo’s defense.
I had that wrong.
The argument could be made he is a glove first player. Coupled with his offensive production he’s a helluva player.
Man.
With full – yet basically false – apologies for being an entitled Yankee fan, good gravy, I really want this guy on the Yanks.
He has +14 DRS, a 6.8 UZR/150, 2.6 range runs above average, and a cannon of an arm. He’s not a bad runner either. He’s as fast as Mookie Betts is.
Well you got your wish
@rangers29 what did you think of the fleecing the Yankees did on the eventual gallo trade. Not often you get somone who likes Texas and you trade him away for a bunch of “maybe this’ll work out a few years down the road
I wouldn’t call it fantastic, either, but the second and third numbers are very good.
When u hit 40 HRs and have a .370 OBP, yup…
I just think of it as who would you rather have, Hosmer or Gallo? I think it’s pretty clear
Pretty clear to the Rangers too!
It said his slash line was fantastic. His ops+ is 139 and Hosmer is 100. So Hosmer is league average offensively and Gallo is 39% better than him at bat. Batting average doesn’t mean much for power guys, which Hosmer is not. They are both good fielder.
Hosmer is far from a good fielder. He’s actually about as bad as it gets at first base.
Hosmer is a better fielder than WAR gives him credit for. He is good at the intangibles and fundamentals and also at scooping balls out of the dirt (and away from the bag) which WAR cannot compute.
Hosmer has been average at best on defense in 2020 and 2021. To me you can ignore WAR, UZR, and DRS for 1B but Statcast tells the real story about a player’s defense.
I think Anthony Franco may have edited this post. It doesn’t say fantastic slash line. I suspect slash line was used initially out of habit.
People have realized that a low BA can be misleading. Teams want a guy who creates runs, and if he can do so, despite a low BA, then he’s a valuable asset. Gallo is exactly that. He has a 140 wRC+ so far this season, 40% better than league average. His BA may be low, but he is having a fantastic season regardless of his BA.
That’s a lot of money and time left on Hosmer’s deal, but it’s still an intriguing offer depending on how much the Padres are willing to pick up on it. Hassell possibly being a few years away makes the move that much more of a gamble, too, though he’s played very well in a small sample size in A ball.
I’d imagine they could get more for Gallo elsewhere, but it all depends on the amount of cash going to Texas.
My exact thought, to take on that horrendous contract I better get AAA or AA ready top 50 prospect and then some. The risk for even a top prospect to succeed through High A, AA possibly AAA and then the league is too much for this contract without closer to MLB ready prospects.
This dude Hassell better be the bee’s knees if he’s gonna balance out losing Gallo AND having to take Hosmer. Rangers are pretty set with Lowe and Guzman at 1B.
More realistically, I think a nice prospect like Hassell would be the price of just someone taking all of Hosmer’s salary. If the Padres retain some of that, sure, you could imagine them getting a nice veteran asset in the deal. But not Joey Gallo.
Guzman will be non tendered after the year so he is irrelevant in this situation unfortunately.
Lowe has been decent. Guzman is a AAAA type player.
I understand no one cares about batting average anymore but if there is a guy on third or second and you get a walk, theres no rbi. If you get a single you score an rbi with a runner on third or potentially second. Thats why obp is a bit misleading. An 8th hitter in the national league has more opportunities to walk with the pitcher on deck after him. Gallo is an above average fielder and hits homeruns but theres a reason Texas doesn’t have more wins and its because Gallo doesnt put the ball in play to at least advance the runners that are already on base and the lack of hits from the top of the batting order
OBP isn’t misleading, you just have to put everything in context.
There is a reason Texas doesn’t have more wins. It’s because 60% of their roster should be in AAA. Imagine saying a team is in last place because Gallo has too good of a batting eye.
I tend to agree with you at first blush, but if you believe at all in WAR – Gallo has produced 4 WAR already at a cost of $6.25M vs. Hosmer at exactly 0 WAR and a cost of $20M – you can see the value even with his low BA.
“theres a reason Texas doesn’t have more wins and its because Gallo doesnt put the ball in play”
He’s their best hitter by a mile and their pitching staff is well below average, but yeah, sure. Gallo not putting the ball in play (and possibly grounding into more DPs) is the reason they don’t have more wins.
It isn’t anywhere close to a failure on Gallo’s part that the Rangers don’t have more wins. Do you blame Mike Trout for the Angels not getting to the PS? It’s a team game.
He has 25 HRs. With a guy on 2B or 3B, and Gallo hits a HR, it’s 1 run better than if he singles.. Those HRs will help score runs better than a higher BA will.
Would you rather have .223/.379/.490 with 25 home runs.
or .270./.379/.345 with 10 home runs? That’s 15 more singles and 15 fewer HRs.
Gallo is an upgrade for a lot of teams. And he will help SD if they’re able to land him. I would take him for my team any day.
Lol, Gallo, Nate Lowe, and Adolis Garcia are the team’s only players with 200+ PA’s and a .750+ OPS. Kyle Gibson and Kolby Allard are their only pitchers with at least 10 starts and an ERA less than 5.
I think Hosmer would hit well in TEX ballpark. Petco is huge. Shows how much talent Tatis got to consistently hit them out.
I think you’ve forgotten they have a new stadium that has been more of a pitching park than a hitters. Those gaps are big in both right and left.
Someone forgot they moved the petco fences in a few years ago… it’s not that massive anymore. Hosmer is just bad at baseball and it took Padre fans 4 years to admit it
Could be worse. You could be paying a pitcher 70 million once he exercises his player options just to do nothing.
Dodgers have multiple ways to potentially get out of the rest of that deal
Hosmer is still pissing MLB at bats away, and his presence is CLEARLY hindering the Padres ability to improve. If he wasn’t there, Gallo is already in SD..
No reason to think the dodgers are suddenly hamstrung
@Before McCourt Not sure they do. Padres weren’t able to get out of the Hector Olivera contract.
I’m curious, what multiple ways can the dodgers get out from under the contract?
They could try punching Bauer in the back of the head?
Are they going to do that after he has already passed out?
Olivera’s situation was much more complicated. Multiple teams were wrapped up in the money. He got 82 games without pay for violating MLB’s rules of conduct. If MLB finds Bauer’s assault accusation credible, Bauer’s sentence will likely be worse. (Plus Olivera didn’t cost 45 million a year. and, as stated, was spread out by multiple teams making the cost not as awful.)
Yes, the contract void would be a long shot. I am unsure if there has ever been such an attempt in the past. But many contracts have a standard behavior clause. Unsure about Bauer’s. But it would bring lawsuits, countersuits, and all sorts of un-groovy things.
It is more likely, though, that he gets released and the Dodger eat the money. (And maybe the Dodgers will have learned a lesson.) The players want him gone. The fans increasingly want him gone. And much of the local press wants him gone.
@Remove parody It doesn’t matter how many teams are wrapped up in the money. What does matter is that there is a very fair argument to be made that he ““failed, refused or neglected to conform his personal conduct to the standards of good citizenship and good sportsmanship” and his contract still wasn’t voided. Idk exactly what happened there but it was bad enough that the Padres immediately cut him despite being stuck with the contract and despite him on-paper filling their biggest need at the time.
It was clearly bad enough with Oliveras but a team knows that lawsuits are going to happen. It isn’t worth the headache. But it might be for $110 million dollars over the next 3 years (or whatever the Bauer total is).
Let me give another example. Free Agency.
Curt Flood and many other players held out or sued baseball to get free agency into baseball. Just because previous generations of players didn’t sue or sit out entire seasons, doesn’t mean that players weren’t thinking about their indentured servitude. It just takes time and a key moment that can cause ripples all over. The same is POTENTIALLY true with the behavior clause in contracts. MeToo and high-profile assault cases (and a slow shift in culture) have really changed how such cases get treated in the media. Remember the days of Wade Boggs or Brian Giles having accusations thrown against them? It didn’t really affect them. Sexual assault and abuse was frowned upon but not punished by MLB or even the press. That would not be the case today.
But it would be an uphill battle for an owner. MLB would sue. The players association would sue. There would be countersuing. Now do you get why it wasn’t tried in the past? But Bauer’s contract might be worth the effort, though it would likely be a losing battle.
Olivera’s contract absolutely would have been worth the effort
I don’t see Padres play very much. If this deal is made, is there room in SD outfield for Gallo, and who would take over 1st base if Hosmer goes to Rangers?
With the addition of Adam Frazier, Jake Cronenworth already moves from 2b to 1b, which pushed Hosmer to the bench/trade block.
If SD loses Hosmer and gets Gallo, I would imagine Gallo plays RF. Wil Myers, Gallo rotate between 1b and corner OF. Frazier rotates between 2b and corner OF. Cronenworth rotates between 2b and 1b, and Tommy Pham loses playing time in the OF. Ha Seung Kim, Jurickson Profar, and Jorge Mateo continue to struggle to find playing time.
Thanks, a lot of versatile players.
He more likely plays RF and occasionally LF and Crone moves to first with Frazier at 2B with Myers mostly bench
Lol… gallo for hosmer and hassell. Gtfo. It would take a lot more than that. SD grasping at straws just to get smacked by doyers again in october.
Screenshot ring this comment, Preller has pulled off trickier trades before…
He has never dumped a bad contract and added an All Star in one trade without taking back an even worse contract or giving up MULTIPLE top prospects.
Lmfao. No he hasn’t
He has no major league assets worth a damn to minimize prospect cost and the top of his farm has laid a giant egg this season
He has.
How he was able to get Darvish and Clevinger without including Gore, Campusano, Abrams or any top 100 prospects is still impressive.
@Faith in the Padres The Clevinger trade is terrible. Darvish the Cubs were desperate to get rid of not even 6 months earlier, they saw their window and so they took it.
Hindsight is always 20/20
At the time they were acquiring a front line starter with 2 years of team control in clevinger.
Didn’t give up a single top 100 prospect to do so.
Preller can’t prevent injuries from happening sadly.
Arias was a top 100 prospect when he was traded and still is today. Quantrill and Naylor were graduated but were both top 100 prospects at one time.
Based on what list?
Mlb.com mid season didn’t have him ranked as top 100 in their 2020 mid season report.
They currently have him ranked #93 for 2021
Also what list was Naylor on the top 100? I don’t remember him ever cracking the top 100 list with the Padres according to mlb.com records.
I don’t have paid subscriptions so I rely on mlb.com to base my comments off of.
I wish they had better ways to differentiate pre and mid season rankings though.
m.mlb.com/prospects/2016
Ah. 2016 he was #89 4 years before being traded.
So what about Arias?
@need, awkward… they magically didn’t pull it off
Padres need reliable starting pitching, not more offense. Did you see how the A’s lit up Blake Snell today?
Sure, but the Padres are currently getting shut out. Oakland had a perfect game against SD until the 6th inning.
Yup. Padres definitely need more consistent pitching.
I’d like to see them go acquire Charlie Morton, Chris Martin, and Kyle Wright if Braves are willing to sell.
Morton and Martin add depth to the rotation and pen. Hopefully a change of scenery can help Kyle Wright meet his potential.
Ultimately I want to see Larry Rothschild gone. Padres need a better pitching coach.
#bringbackBalsley
Hey that’s Padres ace Blake Snell to you!
Signed all the Padre fans here 2 months ago. Oops
Not me…
Padres fans claiming Snell was their ace and dodger fans claiming Dustin May would be a Cy young winner this year.
Remember it like it was yesterday on Twitter and Facebook comment sections. Fun times.
@ BeforeMcCourt
Why do you even bother? I could just as well ask you how that works beating ACE, the one who you gave a record breaking contract, who would make the Dodgers invincible is doing? At least Snell is actually pitching.
@Hudson6 Not sure I’d call what Snell is doing pitching but OK
Ooh. I am a Padres fan and I approve of trading Hosmer and Hassell to Tex for 1.5 years of Joey Gallo.
For the rest of 2021, SD would still have a bit of a logjam. I would imagine Gallo goes to RF. Who plays 1b? Cronenworth or Myers? The Padres have enough versatile players to have guys shuffle around the diamond. So, every single game there is a guy worthy of starting at every single position.
2022: Tommy Pham leaves. Corner outfielders are Myers and Gallo. Cronenworth at 1b? Ha Seung Kim continues to struggle to get playing time.
If Hosmer goes to Texas, I wonder how long they can justify keeping him on the roster?
It would have to be two of their top three prospects plus half of hosmers deal to even consider this
No it wouldn’t. Hosmer is a decent to below decent player. Texas has next to zero in payroll commitment for next year. Ultimately, Texas would be “buying” a top prospect from SD by taking on Hosmer’s contract in some form.
He gets it. But Hassell alone is not enough to offset the albatross of a contract that is Hosmer. You couldn’t trade both for a bag of peanuts – let alone for a player like Gallo. Padres would have to add basically enough money to cover the rest of Hosmer’s contract; or another elite prospect like Abrams to make this work.
Gallo isn’t really a fit anymore after the Adam Frazier trade. And I really don’t see why Texas would make this trade anyway. Hosmer is easily a top 10 bad contract in MLB.
I don’t understand this deal from either side, either. SD maybe some because they’d get to dump Hosmer off their ledger, but it’s still just odd. I’m not one to believe Gallo is all that great either, though.
From a value-for-value perspective it works for the Padres. But I’d rather not take Gallo so that we can give up lesser prospect(s) than Hassell or pay less of Hosmer’s contract and then let them trade Gallo to someone else.
Hassell is not worth taking on the rest of Hosmers contract. If he was an IFA would he get 60 million? Not a chance.
I know Gallo has another year on his contract, and the Braves do need him, but it would take a revamped bullpen for them to be serious contenders, guess they were just checking in.
The Braves don’t need Gallo.
So you think Joc, Heredia, and Almonte are the answer? Gallo immediately becomes their best hitting and fielding OF the rest of the season and lengthens that lineup in a major way.
Joc is good, and Heredia has been playing well enough in CF. I’m not especially high on Almonte, no; but he’s preferable to overpaying for an OF in prospects unlesd that guy is Bryant, and you know you can extend him.
Joc is good compared to Heredia and Almonte but any team is in trouble if he’s their best OF.
I would have preferred Marte, but we actually have one outfielder that would be starting for another team. Our bullpen is terrible is my point
The idea of SD expecting to get Gallo for OF that is 4-6 years away and taking on a worthless 1B with a bloated long-term salary is absurd. Texas has a better 1B already and two more in the upper majors. Texas doesn’t need the cash or Hosmer If JD makes this deal he should be banned from baseball forever and you will see a revolt among Ranger fans as never seen before in the history of MLB. Gallo should also feel incredibly insulted if this deal is made.
How much money would San Diego have to shuffle off to Texas to take their replacement level first baseman? Probably at least $35M out of the $66M he’s still owed.
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The Friars would be absolutely crazy to trade Hassell in a Gallo trade even if it meant being able to unload Hosmer’s contract. I wouldn’t take on Hosmer’s contract either if I’m the Rangers. The Pods should be paying at least half of it.
This trade would be a massive win for the Padres. Padres fans should celebrate in the streets if Preller pulls this off (in its current iteration)
$20MM a year for Hosmer is too much, but after this year he only has 4/59 remaining on his deal or just under $15MM a year left. That is still a little high, but not THAT bad. It’s a similar deal that his former teammate Mike Moustakas signed two years ago. Hosmer is overpaid, but he is not a bad player. With his leadership skills, it might be worth it for a young Rangers team.
It’s still 18MM/year as far as luxury taxes are concerned. the pads would need to give up gore/abrams/campuasano + hassell + hosmer for Gallo.
Delusional
That is likely too much but I do believe you would have to add at least one of Abrams, Campusano, and Gore + Weathers +50million cash, to begin this absurd conversation.
Padres wouldn’t subtract from the ml roster by including Weathers. Just creates another issue.
Hosmer has been a nightmare
Braves should steer clear. I don’t care what everyone says, Gallo ain’t THAT good. Granted he’s good and fits a need, but I don’t like guys who ultimately can’t hit. When he does, he crushes it and he walks a lot… that’s fine… but I don’t trust that guys who can’t hit can maintain all that … my opinion, dumb or not
I really don’t mind the three true outcome types. That said, I don’t want the Braves to chase Gallo. I just get the feeling the prospect cost won’t be worth the return.
I would think the cost for taking on Hosmer and giving up Gallo would be much more in return. Especially given Marte just got Luzardo.
Marte is a better player than Gallo, IMO. But yeah, eating the Hosmer contract is a net negative for Texas. Feels like it needs another prospect going to Texas.
I would hope the rangers would rake in prospects if they took on that terrible contract
Hassell seems really light
Prices have changed people. The days of getting huge prospect hauls are OVER. Guys with 6 or 7 years of control for practically free are worth their weight in gold. Hassell looks like a future Bryan Reynolds with a better arm.
If anyone watched the chat from yesterday you will notice that he answered a question saying “For anyone who thinks that they can get an Abrams for a year and a half of Kimbrel, it’s not happening”, or something to that effect.
According to Baseball Trade Values Hosmer + Hassell for Gallo favors the Padres even if the Padres pay ALL of Hosmer’s contract.
Well if some random website says so, then it must be true.
It’s not a random website. You should probably look into it. They’re actually alarmingly accurate in predicting trade values. 90% of terrible trade comments would disappear if everyone just referenced that site.
Yeah because conformity is always the answer.
Um, math is not conformity. It’s just…math.
Statistics can be slanted in any way to support your arguments just as easily as words.
Oh please.
Hassell turns 20 in a few weeks, and he is hitting very well in A ball, his first season in the minors. He was drafted 8th overall.
If the Padres have to pay ALL of Hosmer’s salary, they would be better off just cutting Hosmer and keeping their prospects.
1. Gallo has value too. They aren’t just taking the contract and giving back an org filler.
2. You don’t seem to understand just how bad the Hosmer contract really is.
If you are going to trade for Blake Snell it only makes sense that you will need more offense.
Good looking out AJ.
Gallo isn’t getting you Hassell alone…zero chance.
So you take hosmer and pads eats some money to get a better return. I would also assume there are some other prospects going from the pads to the rangers just not any other elite ones.
If the padres are eating nearly half his contract that would mean the rangers are paying hosmer 4/29.5 that’s a little over 7m a year for an avg 1b to get a better return. Makes perfect sense for the rangers.
Makes 0 sense for Rangers.
Yeah…you’re not close. Padres will need to add serious cash and another elite prospect to get the conversation started.
Haha, yeah right. If this deal does happen you will be very disappointed if you think that the padres would offer..
Say Hassel, gore, hosmer and more then 30m for gallo.
I’m positive hosmer has some value to a team for more then free. I dont know if that’s at 1m a year or 7m a year but if he was a free agent right now he would get a contract.
@Simodine Yeah. A minor league one.
He’s literally not. He’s produced, what, 4 WAR in the past 3 years? That is below replacement level.
Lol I was super wrong 2.1 WAR in the past 4 years. Basically 3 full seasons and he’s contributing .7 WAR per season. That’s middle reliever value right there.
Did Texas not Learn from the Prince Fielder Trade?
Yes the did Learn, Gallo will be going to the Yankees.
People say that Manny Machado and Fernando Tatis Jr. only signed because of Hosmer. Are they going to demand trades now?
Also interesting that Preller keeps trying to attach his horrible contracts in trades for stars. Like a year and a half ago he kept trying to include Wil Myers in trades for Mookie Betts. Naturally, it didn’t work.
Wish I could have been at the Tigers/Twins game today. I love a good pitching duel.
I watched the whole game. Thought the Tigers had it tied up in the fourth with a 10 – 0 lead. They still pulled it off though, 17 – 13 after 9 innings. Took an hour to play the fourth inning alone, Tigers scored 8 runs & Twinns scored 6 in their half.
By the way, I’m a Tigers Fan 🙂
This may not seem plausible at first, but the Rangers were happy to eat Prince Fielder’s albatross contract AND they gave up Ian Kinsler for the privilege of doing so.
Tigers Loved That Deal
It makes me somewhat giddy to see we are finally in an advanced age of statistical analysis that can definitely see a .223 batting average as “fantastic” when weighted with superior OBP/SLG. Now, let’s tackle wins, reliever ERA, and those tiny plastic tables inside pizza boxes that prevent them from being crushed (but really don’t).
Interesting history/backstory behind the SEPI. (Separador de pizza, invented in Argentina)
Gallo does have a ‘fantastic’ batting line. He has a low batting average and bad strikeout rates, yet the value he creates despite that is so much more productive then what Hosmer and his contact-for-groundballs approach produces.
Hosmer is currently at 1,580 hits.
At 31 years old, 32 in October, he should be able to reach 2,000.
He’s at 184 home runs, as well, so he’ll almost certainly hit 200, perhaps even 250.
I don’t know if it’s just posturing or real but one of the Giants local beat writers (Andrew Baggarly) says the Cubs were showing strong interest in Bart but the Giants said he’s not available. Leverage game?
Dennis Lin said that Preller was not willing to include any of the 4 top prospects in trades. That was the big stumbling block in the talks with the Twins for Berrios. That means Hassell, Gore, Campusano, and Abrams are off the table. Tend to believe Lin knows what the Padres are willing to do more than wishful thinking from a Dallas beat writer.
Also said he wasn’t willing to include Luis Patiño in trades then traded him anyway.
Don’t remember saying that. Do you have a link?
Google is your friend.
Nobody ever is truly untouchable.
So thats more of don’t want then will not.
What is fantastic about .223 with a 35% K rate?
His OBP and slugging, leads MLB in BB.
That won’t continue in NY. Can’t pitch around him like they have in Texas when the next batters coming are Judge and Stanton.
I think if SD lands Gallo for Hosmer, Cronenworth goes to 1B, Frazier at 2B, and Gallo in RF.
Other than Hosmer, are there any other guys on the Padres 40 man roster that could get moved? With Crawford, Belt, Longoria, and La Stella coming back soon, the Giants need to clear space; I’m thinking that Slater, Dickerson & Dubon could get traded.
Maybe Dickerson, but they would definitely be selling low on Slater. Dubon still has options, so I bet he stays.
I’m floored this didn’t happen lol.
Gallo drama is over. Going to the Yankees.
Padre fans have gotten spoiled by Preller being able to acquire some guys without having to give up top prospects. I’d bet that won’t always be the case, especially if he wants to land a guy like Gallo, or unload Hosmer. Texas can probably do better than middling Padre prospects,
I was surprised Preller kept his job in SD, after trading Yasmani Grandal for Matt Kemp.
And Trea Turner for Wil Myers and Luis Patiño for Blake Snell.
Cons
Turner
Grandal
Fried
Clase
Pro
Tatis Jr
Cronenworth
Grisham
Strahm
Hill
Mix
Turned a DFA Brad Hand into a top 30 prospect in Mejia
Turned a middle / long relief return to starter in Drew Pomeranz into a top 30 prospect in Espinoza
He’s had some misses and he’s had some successes. He’s had mistakes in free agency but turned lesser pieces into valuable assets.
Overall I’d give him a B/B-
Almost forgot about him trading Clase. Add the Snell trade, the Galvis trade, the Clevinger trade, the Moreland trade, the (first) Trammell trade and maybe the Nola trade to the cons while you’re at it.
1. We will see how Snell pans out. Could be a lose lose for both. Snells been bad. Patinos been bad. Really depends what Wilcox and Hunt do.
2. Galvis was a lose lose. Padres got nothing out of Galvis. Philly has received nothing out of Del Los Santos.
3. Moreland could be a lose lose. Red Sox traded a good hitter with a cheap option for guys currently ranked near the bottom of their top 30 in a bad farm. We will see what Potts and Rosario do. Theyre not exactly setting the world on fire in AA for the sox.
4. Yes add Reyes to list of cons.
5. Nola trade might be a wash. Trammel may never be anything. France, Torrens vs Adams. We will see if Munoz gives the mariners anything.
On 1, Patiño is still only 21 years old. Calling him up to the majors at all was a huge mistake. The kid still has a long way to go. But I’m as big a believer in his upside as any. I was also hankering for us to draft Cole Wilcox a year ago so I was beyond ecstatic when we did. Then Preller traded him.
On 2, we automatically lost the Galvis trade no matter what de los Santos ended up doing.
On 3, Moreland is already gone so best case scenario for SD the trade is a wash.
On 5, I did stipulate that it was a maybe but so far it’s not looking good.
Philly has received nothing from Los Santos. That’s fact.
Galvis posted 1.2 WAR in his 1 year in SD.
Los Santos has posted a cumulative -0.2 WAR for Philly.
0.1 in 2018
-0.2 in 2019
-0.1 in 2021 so far
So unless Philly gets any semblance of production from Del Los Santos its a lose lose deal man.
Padres only got a year from Galvis. Philly only got an AAAA batting practice fodder in Del Los Santos.
Really no winner there when all is said and done. Neither gained anything of value long term. Padres had a losing record Galvis wasn’t much help. Del Los Santos isn’t helping the Phillies win.
Neither improved cause of the trade.
Galvis cost the Padres $6,825k in 2018. The Padres could have spent that $6,825k on more prospects. Or on a boat! Also, no Galvis and the Padres maybe lose a couple more games and maybe get to move up to 5th or even 4th in the 2019 MLB draft, therefore having more money to sign their draft picks.
Also, de los Santos was a fairly well regarded arm at the time of the trade. More highly regarded than Kluber was when we traded him. We all know how that went…
The prospects the Yankees gave up were not in their top 5 and none would crack the Padres top 5 either.
Hope the Friars have a Plan B lol
I dont think this deal is a happin’!
Just like how the Red Sox wouldn’t take Myers in the Betts trade, the Rangers aren’t taking Hosmer in the Gallo trade. And why would they?
So the Rangers get the Yankees #23 and #28 prospects along with a few others who aren’t even ranked in the Yankees top 30. So they got 5 prospects, the best of which would rank around #700 overall. As opposed to a top 50 overall prospect. Looks like prices have changed.
Looks like premium prospects are A LOT more valuable than guys with 1 or 2 years left. Even guys as good as Joey Gallo.
Send Hosmer and a decent SP prospect (not in top 10) to the Mets for Cano after the 2021 season.
Thanks for the good laugh.
Why would the Padres do this? At least at the end of the season Hosmer can actually say he played. Given the difference in ages I think I would rather take my chances with Hosmer.
Thuuuuuh Yankees win!
This did not age well
Gallo has more power and a higher OBP than Hosmer and is better on defense in RF than Hosmer is at 1B, but I wondered who is better at driving in baserunners.
Gallo has had 234 runners on base when he came to the plate this year and drove in 31. 13.3%
Hosmer has had 235 runners on base when he came to the plate this year and drove in 42. 17.9%
Gallo has hit .200/.404/.500/.904 with RISP.
Hosmer has hit .347/.402/.545/.946 with RISP.
You take power and OBP any day. RBIs are too situational.
Pads Fans trying to justify Hosmer’s value
twitter.com/HaSeongsRim/status/1420545732348563457
The only UGLY left handed swing in the history of MLB,Eric Hosmer ladies & gentleman.
Always makes me laugh when Padres fans accuse the Dodgers of trying to buy a championship once you look at how both of their rosters were constructed.
Hozmer, Machado, Kim and
Profar were FA signings. Everyone else came via trade or draft. Doesn’t look like they’re trying to buy a championship to me.
We all knew the Hosmer contract was bad to begin with.
Nobody’s taking that Hosmer contract. I can definitely see the Pod’s trying to trade him again next year by throwing one of their prospects in a trade with him.
So they were looking to sabotage any deal?