TODAY: Hosmer’s contract had a full no-trade clause for the 2018-20 seasons, but he now has only partial protection. Hosmer has a 10-team no-trade clause, ESPN.com’s Jeff Passan reports, adding another difficulty to the Padres’ attempt to deal him. According to The Athletic’s Ken Rosenthal, the 10 teams on Hosmer’s list are the Athletics, Blue Jays, Brewers, Cardinals, Giants, Indians, Mariners, Orioles, Pirates, and Tigers. Hosmer also automatically gains full no-trade protection following the 2022 season due to 10-and-5 rights.
JULY 26: Eric Hosmer “has surfaced in recent trade discussions,” according to Ken Rosenthal and Dennis Lin of The Athletic. The motivation for such discussions seems to be at least partly connected to the Padres’ luxury tax situation, as Rosenthal notes,”The most recent calculation, provided by MLB around the All-Star break, has the Padres over the CBT threshold by roughly $2 million.” On a related note, the Padres had the Pirates pick up much of the tab for recent acquisition Adam Frazier.
After going 71-91 in the 2017 season, the Padres signed Hosmer to a huge eight-year, $144MM deal, sending a signal they were ready to compete. Since that time, the Padres have only gotten more aggressive, handing out even bigger contracts to Manny Machado and Fernando Tatis Jr., along with a number of high profile trades for marquee names such as Yu Darvish, Blake Snell and Joe Musgrove. This has succeeded at pushing the Friars into contention. They got as far as the NLCS in 2020 and currently hold down a wild card spot in 2021. Hosmer’s contribution to the club, however, has been mercurial. In 2018 and 2019, his wRC+ tallies were 95 and 91, producing negative fWAR numbers in the process. The shortened 2020 season seemed to be a bounceback, with a wRC+ of 127 and an fWAR of 0.9. But 2021 has seen him trail off again, with his wRC+ down to 96 and his fWAR in negative territory again. Hosmer’s contract still has four years remaining on it after 2021.
It’s unclear what the next collective bargaining agreement will look like, but the current one has a base tax threshold of $210MM for 2021. As a potential first-time payor, the 20% tax on the overage seems like it should be a very mild deterrent. For example, a team spending $225MM would incur a $3MM penalty. So going over the base tax threshold in 2021 shouldn’t necessarily be a big concern, especially if the thresholds go up significantly in the next CBA. One reason to attempt to avoid becoming a tax payor, at least in the current CBA: a CBT payor signing a free agent who turned down a qualifying offer forfeits its second and fifth-highest available draft picks and has its international bonus pool reduced by $1MM – as opposed to losing their second-highest pick and $500K of the international pool if they’re not a payor. In other words, if the Padres exceed $210MM this year and the current draft pick compensation rules remain in place, then the club will face a slightly worse penalty if they sign a major free agent who turned down a qualifying offer.
Although Rosenthal adds that the team could conceivably increase their CBT figure “for the right acquisition,” they seem to also be considering the alternate route of ducking back beneath the line by season’s end. Moving Hosmer’s deal, with its $18MM AAV, would get the team below the line and potentially leave room for further additions. Since the team seemingly needs to pick a side and commit to it, “it could help explain why Preller continues to discuss a seemingly endless array of scenarios — including potential trades involving Hosmer,” according to Rosenthal.
There’s no indication that any deal is imminent, nor are any trading partners mentioned. But the appeal of acquiring Hosmer wouldn’t be so much about Hosmer himself. “The Padres likely would have to attach significant prospect value” to trade Hosmer, says Rosenthal. So, any team acquiring Hosmer would need to have enough payroll space to pay him, but with an eye towards the future production the prospects would provide. Speculatively speaking, the Cubs could be a fit. They’ve seemingly already started a sell-off, trading Joc Pederson to Atlanta earlier this month. First baseman and impending free agent Anthony Rizzo seems destined to be traded, unless the team can work out an extension. Javier Baez and Kris Bryant are also coming off the books at year’s end, or even sooner, creating more payroll space.
A return to the Royals is another intriguing possibility. They’ve been in rebuild mode since Hosmer left but tried to re-emerge as contenders with some aggressive moves in the most recent offseason. But that hasn’t gone as planned, as they are currently 42-55 and definite sellers as Friday’s 4pm trade deadline approaches. Acquiring Hosmer and some prospects could be a way to improve for future seasons while re-acquiring a fan favorite who was part of a World Series winner to help open the next competitive window. The Orioles and Tigers could also consider taking on Hosmer’s contract as a way of bolstering their prospect inventory.
LOLL NO ONE WANTS HOSMER AND THAT TERRIBLE CONTRACT…… Maybe 4 years ago when Bobby evans was still a GM would a trade like that be possible.
after next year he’s only owed three years at $13 per. that’s really not that bad a charge. for an AL team, he might not be a terrible option out of the DH spot.
No it’s bad. He’s a negative value player who’s defense has also gone out the window. He provides nothing but expensive “experience”.
where are the stats supporting that he’s a negative value hitter?
His wRC+ is 96. That makes him 4% worse than average. And at first base or DH you’re looking for a bit more than a league average hitter.
A 96 wRC+ is below average… and WAY below average for a 1b. He is last of all qualified 1b.
He provides something if your team needs a guy who seems to spend a lot of time grooming his moustache, beard and eyebrows…
Geez. Didn’t realize how poor his defensive metrics have been for the last decade. Wow!
‘wRC+ (Weighted Runs Created Plus) takes the Runs Created stat from Bill James and adjusts the number to account for external factors, such as ballpark effects. The league average wRC+ sits at 100, so a player who notches a wRC+ of 150 would be 50% above league average.’.
According to league averages then, he’s below average. It doesn’t sound like much but it’s not good.
He’s had an OPS above .750 once in the past 4 seasons, and that was in 156 PA’s in 2020. He has a 97 wRC+ and a 0 fWAR since joining the Padres. If a team really wants a .730 OPS hitter, they’ll wait until this off-season when they can sign one of the 10 hitters like that on the market.
He also provides something for a team in need of hot WAGs
Hosmer’s OPS is 100 and league average wRC+ is 94 this season so far.
fangraphs.com/leaders.aspx?pos=all&stats=bat&…
He is an average hitter for the 2021 season and slightly above average for the past 2 seasons (111 OPS+ and 105 wRC+). . He has hit .339/.423/.500/.923 the past month.
Defensive metrics for 1B are not even close to accurate since all they take into account is balls in play, not throws to 1B, which is most of a 1B job.
The Padres are reportedly willing to eat $20 million of his contract, basically his 2022 salary, so some team will take a flyer on him for $13 million per season.
OPS+, not OPS.
If the Padres kick in $20M in total, then his net contract is $40M/4. If he were a FA, would you sign him or that amount? And if that answer is ‘no’, then why would anyone else do so?
@Pads
Where to begin…….
First., apples to apples wRC+ for 1B is 107 in 2021, Hosmer is 96, way below league average.
Plus, he is on the wrong side of 30 and more importantly, the wrong side of that contract, and he’s not getting better. Worse? Very likely.
And, he’s a defensive liability no matter how you spin it.
League average 1B are easy to acquire for modest money,
So NO, Hosmer is not worth $13 per, or $7 per, or even $3 per. His contract is dead money, all of it.
According to Morosi and Rosenthal the Padres are in negotiations with the Twins for Berrios with Hosmer going to the Twins.
Hosmer would be a huge upgrade both offensively and defensively over Sano who has an $11 million salary in 2021 and is guaranteed $12 million in 2022 ($9.25 million salary and $2.75 million buyout of 2023 option).
With Kiriloff on the IL and Cruz having been traded the Twins have a need that Hosmer can fill.
Probably take the Padres taking on part of Hosmer’s contract or even Sano’s contract, but its not as big of an obstacle as people think.
@jbryan What was mentioned was league wRC+. Its 94 so far this season. I was responding to someone else saying he was below average when he isn’t.
Hosmer is on the better side of his contract since the salary goes down to $13 million after 2022. If the Padres are willing to eat what he would have been paid in 2022 that makes him an attractive trade target for teams like the Twins who are getting even less production on offense and defense than Hosmer provides.
I didn’t say Hosmer was a great 1B on defense, I said that you cannot use any of the defensive metrics currently on sites like Fangraphs or Baseball Reference when measuring 1B defense. They don’t take into account the 1B #1 job at all. OAA does and it has him at 1 out above average. baseballsavant.mlb.com/leaderboard/outs_above_aver… So he is NOT a defensive liability. Just not a great defensive 1B.
League average salary for 1B is a tick under $7 million. So yes, you can get one for less ON AVERAGE. The BIG QUESTION is this – What league average 1B like Hosmer that only makes $7 million or less is available? None you say? OK.
At league average or a touch above he is worth at least $7 million per season.
Anything else?
Oh god Koamalu. I thought by now that you’d know better than to listen to anything Jon Paul Morosi says.
Would have to attach Gore and Abrams to move Hosmer for an org filler. Let alone for Berrios.
Okay, you can swap a bad Hosmer contract for a bad Sano contract, but what does that do for SD? It shortens the duration to two years from four, but it still leaves you with a bad player at 1st.
@Pads
Most position players can play 1B. It’s where the defensively challenged go to play. The Pads themselves just moved to their 2B to 1B to replace Hosmer.
And clearly, Hosmer is a below average 1B on both sides of the ball, when judged against his position. Just because he is an upgrade for the Twins does not make his contract any better than it is. No one is going to value his contract as anything but sunk cost for a 1B that is below avg offensively and defensively.
Bahahahaha
this shows that darkside knows nothing about baseball
Or needs someone to sit down with your best player and lecture him about hitting grand slams on 3-0 counts.
@rocker League average wRC+ is not 100 right now.
Front loaded contracts which his is ($21M next year) are always worse than back loaded contracts simply because of inflation, interest rates and the fact that money grows every year simply by investing them in Index funds.
That’s from a purely financial angle, but baseball isn’t pure finance. It’s harder to trade a guy on a backloaded deal, since the player is declining due to age by the latter years of the contract. It’s also harder to sign guys to make up for the player’s decline if you’re paying more at the end of the deal rather than less.
4 years with a luxury tax hit at 18 million? No one wants that
DarkSide830
after next year he’s only owed three years at $13 per. that’s really not that bad a charge. for an AL team, he might not be a terrible option out of the DH spot.
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Saying ‘after next year’ is meaningless. It is like saying ‘after three years, you’ll only owe him $13M’. Right now, he is a $60M/4 player, plus the current year. And saying that someone is not a terrible DH option, for $60M/4, makes him virtually untradeable.
Can’t see anyone wanting him and his contract. Next year may be possible if (a big if) the league and MLBPA negotiate a floor that teams have to spend. Then there could be interest if the Padres add prospects of value. I don’t see the sides adopting a salary floor but it is possible.
Its not a question about average hitting players. Its about who is available. What other league average 1B is on the market?
He costs too much. He’s a BELOW average first baseman. You can basically convert any league averagish hitter into a first baseman. Hosmer has negative value. Who wants that? No one needs Hosmer.
Hosmer is ranked #24 in fWAR. 10 of those guys will be available.
But more importantly, how many contenders need a 1B at his salary? It’s probably -0-, even if you kicked in $20M.
“What other league average 1B is on the market?”
Probably Rizzo.
No, nobody wants or needs hosmer. But a lot of teams would love to add prospects that the Padres would have to attach to any deal. Especially because the contract is front loaded and isn’t the financial commitment it once was. I wouldn’t mind my squad taking on hosmer’s contract if it meant getting CJ Abrams
Absolutely. If Hosmer comes with prospects there will be teams interested. But the prospects will be there because the receiving team doesn’t want Hosmer and the Padres don’t wanna pay him
@Cosmo Uh, no. He is a league average hitter 100 OPS + and his OAA is +1 so he is basically a league average defender. Average.
Which, as a league average hitting and fielding first baseman, makes him mostly useless even before considering the price tag. Why do you think 100 OPS+ first baseman have value? He’s not a noticeable upgrade for anyone. His price is too high, and league average hitters who can play first base are a dime a dozen. An average player is a below average starter and average hitting first baseman are not very valuable at all. Nobody wants Hosmer.
For 13 million? That’s too much for a league average hitting DH.
Darkside, seriously. Wouldn’t be that insane to move if the Padres take on half the contract. His last 30 game slashline has looked good, especially when looking at games in July. He’s clearly not worth his contract and probably wasn’t when signed. But it’s not the most wild concept if SD pickup 50%.
That said, Padres have been just throwing darts at a board the last few years. Big spending with not a lot of deep diving. Kim is versatile but Asian professional ballplayers TEND to struggle with MLB pitchers (different style of play). Threw another 20+MM to Profar who’s also struggling offensively but versatile, though his numbers don’t provide much to be excited about.
They almost picked up Nelson Cruz? They’ve thrown money on starters with name recognition who are underperforming. It’s fun for the trade market/fans but too many large acquisitions that flop will sour fans.
Just ask Bobby Evans.
I agree completely. Preller developed an awesome farm, but it feels like he is trading like this is a fantasy league, where people trade just for the fun of it. Just think about just how good this farm was just a couple of years ago. And think of how many SD prospects are starting for them now.
Without injuries, it would be Tatis, Paddack and Lamet. The other key 13 players came from outside. That’s about $140M, just on outsiders. There is just too much nickel and diming themselves to death.
@ JoeBrady;
I thought I was the only one that saw it……
As I’ve been writing the past few days – Two years ago the owner got fed up with Preller’s rebuild….6 years and going nowhere. He raised the payroll budget and told Preller to win or else. Now it’s at a point where the Padres have veterans at almost all positions and on the pitching staff. A MLB team simply cannot run a payroll like that for long and win. Even the Red Sox figured that out; the Yankees haven’t been to a WS since 2009 and they’re hamstrung not only with overpaid veterans, but ones that want more money.
Preller painted himself into a corner, and now the rumor is that he’s trying to dump a part of Hosmer’s salary. But what everyone’s missing is that he’s continuing the same behavior. To get out of this corner he has to offer potentially inexpensive young productive payers that can contribute to a winning team. So when the latest bunch of veteran players doesn’t get him over the hump, he’ll find that he’s painted himself into yet another corner as then he’ll have a different veteran players whose salaries are an yoke around the Padres neck. Older players get hurt and go south. As you noted, look how wonderful the Padres starting staff looked on paper 4-5 months ago. Stuff happens.
Two years ago the owner got fed up with Preller’s rebuild…
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FWIW, this is not strictly a Preller issue. A few years back, Pitt decided to rebuild, traded Cole, changed their minds three months later, and traded off their farm. The Reds were headed in the right direction, and decided to trade Gray & Downs for Puig, to accelerate to rebuild.
And the Phillies were the worst. They had pieces, but weren’t ready. So they added Santana for $60M3. But they already had Hoskins, who was being paid $500k. Then they signed Arrieta for an insane $75M/3. Then they gave up Crawford for Segura, adding another $14M. Then they added McCutchen for another $17M per.
Without going into some of the other big moves, these four moves added $76M, and imho, didn’t really make them much better. Just older, and more expensive.
That’s amazing because I always thought he was known for his glove. If this guy can’t field anymore the I can’t imagine any team wanting him at all. Maybe the Royals will take him if SD pays 80% of his remaining salary.
He can field. He is 1 out above average. baseballsavant.mlb.com/leaderboard/outs_above_aver…
Pads Fans:
The thing to remember, since defensive metrics are difficult to quantify, is small samples are way more misleading than small sample batting stats. Fangraphs says to look at at least 2 seasons for DRS and UZR.
Since 2021 is a small sample, as was 2020, if you go back to 2018 as the start year, through 2021, Hosmer ranks 36th, with a -19 OAA. With 2019 as the start year, he still ranks 36th with a -10 OAA.
It’s pretty safe to conclude that he, in fact, cannot field. He can easily be considered a defensive liability.
@ tribepride17;
Statistics lie. Especially baseball defensive statistics.
Ask former gold glove 1B Keith Hernandez if Hosmer has been overrated and can’t field anymore.
@tad. For 1B you can just throw out anything you see for defensive metrics on Fangraphs or Baseball Reference. They don’t include the one thing a 1B does more than anything else. All they include is fielding balls in play. OAA includes all part of the game for 1B. Because they are zone based, defensive metrics like DRS and UZR which actually need 3 seasons or 450 games of data to give an accurate picture of a players defensive performance. That is why Jaffe, Tango and others say that WAR also requires that same level of data to give you an accurate representation. OAA is not subject to that limitation because it is not zone based. There are no guestimations. It is the actual measurements of what has happened so its accurate for one game or 150 or 450. In 2020 and 2021, at this point basically a full season worth of games, Hosmer is exactly average defensively according to OAA. baseballsavant.mlb.com/leaderboard/outs_above_aver…
So its clear he can field his position.
@DarkSide830 doesn’t matter. Teams don’t want to pay him even that much. And his luxury tax hit remains $18m a year.
If the Padres take on part of his contract then it reduces the AAV for the team he is traded to.. That only matters if the team is near the CBT threshold and we have no idea what they will be in 2022 and beyond.
The only way they get rid of that contract 4/72 is if they include 3 high level prospects to a rebuilding club. That’s a lot to gag down for a league average 1B
Lol. Gag down. Hilarious. Well done.
3 way trade with Brewers and Marlins
That’s why the story you’re commenting on mentions that they will be attaching a good prospect or two to induce someone to take him. This would be a situation of a team simply buying prospects. A huge number of teams would be interested in that, depending on how good the prospects are, and they’d have to be VERY good.
Exactly. They are not trading Hosmer, They are selling prospects.
Hosmer’s AAV is pretty bad, but after 2022 his salary drops from $21mill to $13mill for the final 3 years. Still too expensive for a lot of teams, but the daunting portion of that contract is almost over.
Dixon Miaz:
No, even Bobby Evans doesn’t make that trade, especially having the vastly superior Belt.
If the Pads throw in a decent prospect or two, it would be a decent trade for a nom-contender that can eat the contract.
Really this all depends on the quality of prospects being attached. Hosmer could be the kind of guy who winds up being a double flip in another year or two.
IF SD is willing to chip in 20m towards 2022 you’re basically looking at someone getting him almost free next year, then being on the hook for 13m but an 18m cbt hit (if it’s even in the same form).
You don’t like him in 2023-2025, toss 15m in relief and bundle him off to the next team. Anyone but the highest spending teams can take an 18m hit if they only pay 8m a year in actual money to an aging Hosmer.
Hosmer for Stanton or you put will Myers and hosmer for Stanton. Knowing Stanton will waive his no trade clause to go to a contender plus the Yankees can have an first baseman who hits from the left side and get an outfielder in Myers, plus you balance out the money in between the two.
Pirates should take Hosmer, plus some top prospects. Will never happen but given we really aren’t paying anyone beyond this year, why not eat salary now? And maybe he turns it around and you can flip him?
Pirates don’t have the money to make it happen.
yes they do, surprised it didn’t happen in the Frazier deal…. their payroll is criminally low, they could absolutly absorb Hosmer
Yep, only Polanco is making anything and he’s gone after the season. They absolutely could absorb a few big contacts if they wanted to maximize prospect return.
Pirates received more in revenue sharing money than they spent on payroll. They should be forced to spend the other teams money on players rather than pocketing it.
They aren’t really in a position to spend money right now given they are rebuilding. But I’m all for them taking another teams bad contract if it also sends good prospects their way.
@halosheaven
Are you including cost of benefits, and non 40 man contracts?
Of course not.
Milwaukee, maybe?
Please delete this. Don’t give our ownership the idea…
Boy Genius Stearns too smart for that, dont worry.
Really you just wait Sogard will be in a Brewer uniform before the end of the year at sometime
God willing
Plus we now have Rowdy, Rowdy, Rowdy!!
That’s what I am thinking. The Brewers have 4 1B now that can’t their weight. The best one now has a 91 OPS+ this year (Vogelbach) and he’s a full-time PH/backup 1B. At least Hosmer can hit his weight.
That said the Padres are going have to eat a ton of Hosmer’s contract and not expect much in return.
Cubs have their own contract issues. LOL
How so? They have 40 million total dollars on their books for next season.
Jason Heyward.
So having one guy making 20 mill is contract issues? Cubs will likely be adding 100 mill or so this offseason.
Will they? I thought they were gonna rebuild.
Hoyer has vigorously repeated how this is only a retool and won’t be a rebuild. The Cubs FO has always been pretty open and there’s no reason for him to lie about something like that.
He can say whatever he wants its a tear down to the studs rebuild….
$$ is the reason…These new kids are shifty and bolt at first hint of adversity…
Cubs should take the prospects for Hos…they should use money for 24′ and 25′ next year not 22′ W-L Record
I will be shocked if the cubs add 100m this offseason. If their plan is actually to retool, they’re gonna be bad for the foreseeable future. There isn’t enough there for that to be a realistic path.
Just what the Cubs need, an infield version of Heyward.
At least Heyward is a plus defender.
Could the Padres and Hosmer renegotiate his contract to make it more years at a lower AAV?
Not likely much reason to.
AAV as it’s currently. Alculated doesn’t look at remaining years, it looks at entire contract.
Adding even an extra season on a 1m player option doesn’t make it a 5/73 remaining. It becomes a 9/145 calculation.
So, even if the player agreed (what’s in it for him) at 9/145 you get about 16m tax hit under aav instead of 18m.
It’s really hard to alter the values on a long deal like that.
The AAV for CBT purposes does take into account if the original team is paying a portion of the deal. For example if the Padres pay $20 million of his remaining contract in the trade, the AAV to the acquiring team would be $15.5 million. Still really high, but lower than $18 million. Which only matters if the acquiring team is near the CBT threshold. If not, the only thing that matters to them is the $13 million they would be paying him in 2023-2025. That is why the Padres would have to be including prospects in the deal or taking back a bad contract. I doubt a contending team is taking on Hosmer anyway.
$13m/yr is still way too much for Hosmer Koamalu.
More likely that the Padres send some money along to lower prospect cost a little.
Yes. But why would Hosmer do that unless the Padres add more money along with the years?
It’s already pretty low after next year. Goes down to $13m. That’s completely manageable for just about anyone other than the Rays and Pirates.
It’s already pretty low after next year. Goes down to $13m.
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It is $60M/4, after this year. That’s really high. For that money, you can get a top-tier closer.
Yeah, but not a top tier 1B. If the Padres pay $20-21 million of his remaining contract as it is rumored they are willing to do then its $39-40 million over 4 years to the acquiring club.
And if SD wanted nothing in return but for the other team to pay Hosmer $40M/4, how many teams would take that? I assume the answer is -0-, but would be willing to entertain suggestions.
The PA would have huge issues with this
The AAV only matters to teams up against the tax limits. And those are potentially in flux
Baseball contracts can not be renegotiated. That’s NFL/NBA. The MLB player’s union will not allow contracts to be re-structured. The last time I can think of a team trying to do it was when the Rangers were trying to trade A-Rod to the Red Sox with Manny going back in the deal and A-Rod restructuring his deal. The union said no.
@ourpadre- you cannot renegotiate, true, but you can extend which alters calculations. Adding years/options onto an existing deal is acceptable and happens all the time.
You can, but to do so in order to facilitate a Hosmer trade, might create more problems than it solves. The NYY added a year to DJLM’s contract, to lower the annual hit, but are now paying hm until he is 37 years old.
DJLM was a re-signing, not a re-negotiation. I agree, teams can re-negotiate to add time, but why would a player do that? To significantly reduce the AAV, the team is asking the player to play an additional year at a dirt cheap price.
Royals would NEVER trade for that horrible contract.
Especially after Hosmer successor hit a grand slam in Omaha last night. Hosmer who? nick pratto is the bomb!
They wouldn’t be. They’d be buying prospects. They wouldn’t even have to keep Hos if they don’t want to.
Hosmer, Gore, Oña and Rosario for Santana. KC takes on the rest of Hosmer’s contract. Padres are trying to win now and this puts KC ahead of rebuild schedule
Any deal involving Cubs means you are taking Heyward back, no way Jed Hoyer going to have (2) guys grounding out to right side every day
Lol this made me laugh hard
HAHA!!
A) he sucks
B) that contract sucks
C) he sucks
I busted out laughing at this^^
Sadly for you, Milwaukee is one of the teams that has showed interest in Hosmer.
Gore and hosmer packaged together perhaps?
Gore isn’t going anywhere, especially in an effort to simply shed a player.
What I think too. Hosmer/Gore/Oña package to KC for Santana. KC takes on Hosmer’s contract
We’re not taking on Hosmer’s contract when we have a first baseman in AAA waiting in the wings. While he has made several questionable free agent signings in the past such as Lucas Duda and Travis wood, Dayton Moore isn’t THAT stupid To take on Hosmer’s contract when we have a first baseman prospect named Nick Pratto just a phone call and a 40 man roster move away.
No love in KC for Big Lug? (Duda).
Don’t get me wrong, Frazier is a hellva player but don’t the Padres need pitching, like everyone else, more than hitting? I haven’t been following Hosmer, has he been that bad?
Hosmer’s defense has gone to shlt. They are playing Cronenworth at 1B more often. Yes they need pitching. Don’t worry, Preller will make 3 more trades by the deadline.
Hosmer’s defense is average.
baseballsavant.mlb.com/leaderboard/outs_above_aver…
No it’s not. 2021 is a small sample. Expand the range at that website to at least 2019, and you’ll see he is not only not average, he’s bad.
A weak-hitting 1B w that contract? Good luck.
We made the NLCS? I thought it was the Braves and Dodgers? Hosmer would have to be attached to a package of prospects for anyone to want to absorb his contract…
I thought the Padres lost in the division series I’m pretty sure they didn’t make it to the championship series.
You’re correct, the article is wrong.
They would definitely have to come off a top prospect. They always find a way to land a significant piece without trading a top 5 prospect but not this time. Not to move that contract.
They’ve traded several top 5 prospects, including in the Frazier deal yesterday.
Just wanted to note that the speculation on the Cubs, Royals, Orioles, and Tigers comes from me. Not that I necessarily think those clubs would take on the contract, but that they could, and as teams stocking up on prospects or wanting to, it might make sense. Perhaps the Tigers feel they’re too close to consider it, and most likely the Cubs are too cheap. But the general point is that a rebuilding suitor could take on some (not all) of Hosmer’s contract, maybe get an OK hitter out of it, and attempt to get something really nice from the Padres’ strong farm system.
would DET be willing to roster him and Miggy at the same time?
Yes if they hate their fans. Which they clearly do
As for the Tigers, they could offer Schoop to increase the price. They will need a major league-ready SS in 2023, which might apply to CJ Abrams (who seems a bit like a surplus prospect for the Padres with Machado, Cronenworth and Tatis Jr. on the roster. But Torkelson should also be in Detroit in 2023 as a primary 1B.
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I wish to express my gratitude as a Tigers fan. Since Detroit is on his list, I don’t have to worry whether he’s on Al’s.
You rarely surprise me Tim–but this sort of does. I’d prefer Rizzo all day over Hos, so if you’re going to let Rizzo walk, you give him a QO and take the comp pick.
It’d have to be a terrific prospect and Preller would have to salt and pepper a decent chunk of Homer’s contract…then i suppose you get a comp pick for Rizzo and whatever prospect SD provided.
Just about everyone prefers Rizzo to Hos…but if the Cubs are going to take a step back in ’22 and ’23, taking some of Hosmer’s contract is a way to buy prospects from the Padres. They have to consider all avenues if they’re doing some sort of rebuild.
Tim is right on with this guys. The Cubs probably are too cheap to do this but letting Rizzo go for either prospects or the comp pick and picking up Hosmer at $13 mil for ‘22, ‘23 and ‘24 is not that horrible- IF they also acquire a top level prospect like Gore, Davis, etc. As a die hard Cubs fan losing Rizzo would suck but when you want to pull off a reshuffling “buying” a prospect or two wedged in with a bad contract is a smart approach to take.
If the Cubs are going to “take a step back in 22 and 23” there is no reason to take back almost $40M in payroll—-unless the prospect buy includes Gore, Ona, and/or Lawson—and at that it’s not going to be much of a step back in that division.
If Rizzo is traded they will let Wisdom get more at bats this season at first (have Duffy and Bote at 3b).
The Cubs are not a fit for Hosmer.
$13m a year isn’t much for a team in a market like Chicago. That’s how much Hos makes after next year. Make the Padres pay down his salary next year, and throw in a serious prospect, and that’s a fine deal taylor made for a team that wants to rebuild quickly. Hell you don’t even have to keep him if you don’t want him to suit up. The prospect is why you do it.
I don’t know why everyone is assuming the Cubs are going to trade all of their good players. It makes no sense. In fact, I am willing to wager they will not trade anyone of significance. And before you ask, no, Joc Pederson was not a significant trade. He was on a one year deal and hitting below average and his trade value is apparently a fringe prospect.
The Cubs trade Joc for a fringe prospect who might not even make the majors and casual baseball fans are SCREECHING. RIZZO TRADE, BRYANT TRADE, Bryce Ball means Rizzo will be traded, CONTRERAS TRADE.
I will believe all of the speculation when I see it.
Broken record much? Stop repeating yourself…
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$13m a year isn’t much for a team in a market like Chicago. That’s how much Hos makes after next year.
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You need to stop saying that. It is $60M/4. If you were to sign Hosmer to a 4-year deal, today, how much would you pay? $20M/4 would be generous. So you owe a trading partner $40M of minor league talent.
Cubs are not getting a high level prospect for a 2 month rental. Even if they take on Hosmer’s contract.
@gregbrady If the Padres are taking on $20 million of Hosmer’s contract its not $60 million over 4 years. Its $40 million over 4 years. Hosmer is league average at this point in his career both on offense and defense. A league average contract for a 1B is $7 million. None of those guys are available. So paying a few million more than average for a guy that is available is not out of the question. You also have to take into account that he has hit .330 with a 900+ OPS the past month plus. Teams WILL look at recent performance when making a decision about a trade.
Any team would want at least one high level prospect just to take on Hosmer’s disaster of a contract, let alone give the Padres a rental. Hosmer has negative value.
@ pads fans- The biggest problem with the argument that he is
A) barely league average,
B) 50% overpriced even with money thrown in, but
C) at least available
Is that he isn’t a single year rental.
He has 3 more years of decline left in him as he gets older. THAT is what costs decent prospects attached.
You’re asking a team to take on the liability of 2023,2024,2025 on a guy who is already not what he was. And to overpay salary in the process.
Haha, yeah, Hosmer is a league average hitter and defender…but somehow has a negative fWAR. Interesting.
Teams are not going to put a ton of stock in a 30 day sample size when they can look at his past 3+ years and see what he is…no matter how many capital letters you use.
Well, a league average hitting first baseman could produce a negative WAR, no?
Notice I said league average hitter and defender…But sure, when you selectively read, maybe your point will work.
I meant both league average hitting and fielding at first base. And it was a question, not a challenge. But a first baseman adding nothing special on defense starts with a pretty big negative adjustment. I don’t know how much WAR a league average bat accumulates. Thus, question.
Sounds like you don’t love them Hos
The Royals already have a first baseman just waiting on AAA and after he hit a grand slam last night helping Omaha win their game…He’ll be in KC as soon as possible maybe as early as September (after the Omaha season ends perhaps?)
Again, this deal would have nothing — zero — to do with Hosmer. It would be all about the prospect that comes with him.
He would still take up a 40 man spot that should be reserved for Nick Pratto or bobby witt jr. Or one of the many pitching prospects that we need to protect in November.
As the title notes, the Padres are discussing him in trades. I doubt any other teams are lol.
Well said, Blancos! If a contending team doesn’t want him why on earth would a non-contending team want him?
Hosmer is league average. That means that for about half the teams he would be an upgrade. Ask the Twins. Ask the Indians. Ask the Brewers. Ask the Red Sox. The Rockies, Nationals, and Mariners would also be upgrading what they have seen this season by putting Hosmer at 1B. The Pirates and Dbacks too.
The Mariners have France. The Indians have Bradley. The RS #1 or #2 prospect is a 1B. The Nats have Bell. the Rockies have Cron, and are trying to move him. The Brewers have Vogelbach,
I think what you need to do is to list all the reasons why SD wants to get rid of him. Would they really be cutting a check for $20M if he is as good as you think he is?
No one is paying that money for Hosmer, even if he is a slight upgrade, which he really isn’t. If a team is so desperate for a league average bat they can get it somewhere other than in an aging, overpaid Hosmer.
Pads fan, you clearly do not understand what league average implies. It’s league average PLAYER, not starter. He’s a BELOW average starter and a simple bRef check will show you he’s nowhere near better than half the starting first baseman. You are way off on this. Hosmer is 0.4 WAR right now, anyway, which well below league average.
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Puke. No way the Cubs roll out Heyward and Hosmer for the next 4 years. There is no prospect on the planet worth that combo.
I understand that viscerally that kind of sucks to consider, but there are many prospects that would justify taking on some of a bad contract, no matter who it is.
Where’s the fun in being realistic?
Commenters come here to say athletes suck.
Then when they go on a hot streak they’re the next Trout and untouchable.
I have to disagree. Hosmer is probably underwater by $40M. I don’t think anyone has a lot of $40M prospects.
There’s always the $ that SD will send with Hosmer.
Every team has a dollar value that they would take Hosmer for.
Some higher than others.
Heyward has two more years after this one.
Bad contract for bad contract type of situation. Cubs should do it with Jason Heyward and get the prospects back. Hosmer can fill in at 1b when Rizzo leaves.
The article starts with that part of the reason for discussing Hosmer is to stay below the threshold—-taking Heyward’s contract makes it even worse.
the goal is to get better. adding Hosmer to your roster makes you simply worse off.
No it doesn’t. Not if he comes with a good prospect. It’s astonishing how hard this very simple concept is for people here to get.
So you want the Cubs to acquire a trash hitter making ridiculous money when they are trying to cut money?
I think they’re done cutting salary. The only bad contract is Heyward now and just two years left.
Said it above. Hosmer is about league average on both offense and defense. That means he is better than the 1B about half the teams are running out there. He makes about half the teams better.
Not sure why you keep saying this. It’s not even close to true
He’s not league average (he’s 0.4 WAR), and you’re theory about half the league is utter nonsense. Show me these starting first baseman who are worse than Hosmer.
It’s not going to work. There are only two questions to be answered:
1-While acknowledging that almost any player can be traded, if you pick up almost all their salary, I have yet to see a proposal to do so. EVERYONE either has a 1B as good or better, or has someone in the minors.
2-If Hosmer is viable, what would be the point in SD getting rid of him?
farhan is rubbing his hands together thinking about the will wilson trade
I’m not even sure they have to include a prospect. Just get them under the tax for the next few years, and have them pick up whatever is left. Hosmer isn’t much, but he’s better than what, e.g., the Red Sox are running out there on a nightly basis.
I feel like SD and Boston could match up, too- especially if Boston could get a prospect out of the deal that they like.
No way any team, Sox included, take Hosmer without a prospect, and a top prospect at that.
Sure, in the short term, Hosmer would be an upgrade at 1B for Boston. But then they’d be stuck with the guy for 4 more years. If I’m the Sox, I try for Rizzo, and barring that, look to fix 1B in the off-season.
Sox have Tristan Casas waiting in the wings for next year.
Now, if JDM opts out, and/or his deal ends a year later and Casas becomes 3B with Devers replacing JDM at DH that’s one thing.
But the biggest reason Hosmer to BOS struggles to gain traction is the CBT. Doesn’t matter that SD may be willing to make it 4/39 in real money, it remains 18m in AAV which is a problem for a team needing to keep or replace guys like Rodriguez/JDM and Devers will be a FA during the deal.
I’d do it in a heartbeat if I were the BoSox. Gimme Hosmer, Gore and Abrams and we’ll give you back Richards
As a Padres fan, I look at something like this and get nervous. I would absolutely hate this trade.
I’d rather give Hos one more year and hope he bounces back a little next year.
If he bounces back next year, along with his contract decreasing, they might not have to strategy big name prospects… maybe haha
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If the Padres were going to do that, then they shouldn’t have traded for Frazier. But Frazier at 2B, and Cronenworth at 1B, makes sense. So now Hosmer is the odd man out.
Padres have already said they are going to use Frazier as a super sub playing all 3 OF positions and 2B.
He’s not bouncing back. He wasn’t even that great in the first place. The Padres bid against themselves to get him. He is what he is.
As Cosmo touched on…bounce back to what? His SSS success in 2020? This is pretty much what he’s been for the last 3 or so full seasons.
The only bounce back Hosmer sees is the baseball rolling right on by first base. Or perhaps a breaking ball he swung at in the dirt
That’s a hell of a trade for Boston, huh? Not so good for San Diego, though. Yeah, I’d say that’s a little wishful thinking on your part.
Keep Gore; it’s his party and he’ll cry if he wants to. I want Hassell and/ or Abrams; they’re both going to be HUGE; multiple All Star Games….
I’ll eat the whole contract for both….
Am I the only one to give you a +1? Sorry, Bob, we are surrounded by savages.
I see what you did there. Nice reference.
Teams like the Orioles, Rangers, Royals, Pirates, and Marlins should be looking at him and Myers to add a top prospect to the farm system.
The Royals don’t need Eric Hosmer back. We have a young first baseman prospect in AAA just waiting for the call that he’s been added to the 40 man and he’s going to be the starting first baseman whether that come September this year or the news comes next year in spring training I don’t know but I’m pretty sure that Nick Pratto will be the first baseman for the Royals for the very near future.
The only way I could see Texas getting involved is in a deal involving Gallo to increase the return for Texas. Even then it’s complicated as Texas is already committed to Lowe at first and they just called up Terry to share DH and 1B duties.
I could see Texas adding Myers to a prospective deal before I could see them going adding Hosmer.
Now the Frazier deal is starting to make sense, but if nobody takes Hosmer, Padres have a big problem.
Yeah. You’ve got to think the Padres at least tried to add him to the Frazier deal.
CHC: Hosmer
SD: Heyward
Read the article—the mission is to lower the payroll, not increase it.
How do people not get that????
He’s $13/yr the next 3 years. So that’s not as bad as what he was avg. like this year, $21 per. I think you can find a taker who’ll want draft picks plus padres eat some salary.
The $13 million salary starts in 2023. He’s got one more year at $21MM plus $7MM for the rest of this year.
The CBT hit is $18 million unless SD pays down salary.
You can’t trade draft picks in mlb
If SD pays down part of Hosmers salary, that money stays on their books & goes towards their AAV. Sounds to me like they want to unload his contract so they can add a Big Name Pitcher like Scherzer. In order to do that, they will have to forfeit one or more of their top prospects. As a Tigers fan, Hosmers contract is too long. I would trade Grossman & Wily Peralta for Myers & Abrams but I doubt Avila or Preller would agree with me, but you never know how bad a team wants to win now. I remember Dombroski making a lot of last minute moves to try & win it all.
Yes it does. It is averaged over the length of the contract they are paying down. So $20 million over Hosmer’s 8 year deal would add $2.5 million to their CBT for each remaining season on the deal.
$13m/yr is still a colossal overpay for Hosmer. And his luxury tax hit remains $18m/yr.
Maybe the Cubs would be a fit if the Pads took on Heyward and juiced the pot w a top prospect
that kind of defeats the purpose here – I think the idea is to shed weight from the payroll
Hosmer to Mets for Cano. Frees the Pads for 2021, and frees the Mets from Cano. Then the Mets can dump Hosmer for a bad $10mm contract…
Where would we put him???
Maybe he can put a barber’s chair in the clubhouse and trim everyone’s beards and eyebrows.
Hosmer seems to spend a lot of time working on that as opposed to his hitting…
No way the Royals trade for Hosmer. They have Santana for the rest of this year plus next year. Then they have Nick Pratto beyond that. There’s no room for Hosmer even if he was making league minimum.
how about hosmer + a good prospect package to the giants for canario + eat $ on the contract, giants have the payroll space and canario is the logical guy to go to free up a 40 man spot as he is sitting protected right now – another option would be to get a 3rd team in if you don’t want to strictly go in division
Padres fans be like “Hosmer for Scherzer who says no”
Just saw one on Twitter suggesting a swap for Trey Turner (with the Nats kicking in $$$) so here we go
If you changed that to Hosmer and Gore for Scherzer, that would change the equation.
Boris has already stated Scherzer would not okay a trade without an extension. SD would have to work out an extension with Boris to get his services. Oh and guess what? Boris is Hosmers Agent too. It would cost more than Hosmer & Gore for Scherzer.
Can people please stop saying Scherzer won’t accept a trade without an extension? Boras already backpedaled that statement. And the only reason Scherzer would NEED an extension NOW is if he knows he’s going to blow his arm out in the next 3 months in which case there is no point in trading for him.
Then they will keep Hosmer till the end. And be forced to either wait to make a run at the World Series or go way over the Tax Threshold this year.
And you think Preller would not like to lock up Scherzer for 2 years? You can bet Boris & Preller have talked.
How about Matt Manning, Isaac Peredes, and Jonathan Schoop for Gore, Abrams, and Hosmer? Tigers take on full Hosmer deal and get decent prospects back in return.
Gore is a possibility if it means unloading the contract. So is Campusano. Abrams probably replaces Pham next year if he’s healthy and has a good spring.
But Gore and Hosmer for Faedo, Wentz, another prospect and a PTBNL like Ty Madden
@I Beg to Differ Madden can’t be included as a PTBNL. The rule change from 2015 explicitly states that players who were just drafted are not allowed to be included as PTBNL’s in trades that were agreed upon before they were eligible to be traded. It’s not “frowned upon.” There aren’t “cash penalties for doing it.” It’s just not allowed.
None of Gore, Abrams, or Campusano are being traded unless its for a young stud with long term team control.
This is happening every trade deadline and off-season to the Padres now. A story comes out that the Padres are interested in trading for a player or trading away a contract and every crackhead on the internet comes here to say how much it’s gonna cost. Not one estimate has ever been right.
Every time the Padres are mentioned in trade rumors commenters say it’s going to cost Gore and Abrams no matter who the trade is for! “The Padres want Clevinger? Gore or Abrams plus. The Padres want Snell? Gore or Abrams plus. They want Musgrove? Gore or Abrams. Darvish? Gore or Abrams.The Padres want our backup batboy? Gore and Abrams.” It’s not happening people! The Padres made all those trades without giving up a prospect in the top 30 in mlb, but people here are expecting them to trade 2 PROSPECTS IN THE TOP 10 IN MLB? Just to get rid of Hosmer?
@Hudson6 you need to come to terms with the reality of Eric Hosmer’s trade value. He’s easily a top 10 untradeable contract in MLB.
I know Hosmer has tremendous negative value. What I am saying is that Preller is not going to give up top 10 prospects in mlb to get rid of Hosmer. If Preller can’t get anyone to bite for less even if he pays half or so then he will move on.
People were saying it would cost Gore and more to get rid of Myers in 2019. You will notice that the Padres still have Gore.
You will notice that they still have Myers too.
That is exactly what I am saying. If you want Gore or Abrams the deal is off.
Didn’t AJ Preller already trade a player almost EXACTLY like Abrams (except RH) several years back? Don’t you personally, Remove, take every single chance you get to remind everyone how terrible that trade was and how that makes Preller an absolute POS? Yet now you are advocating that he trades a left-handed clone of Trea Turner? For $30 million in savings? Yeah, Preller has learned his lesson. Why are you now advocating for a Will Myers type of give-away?
@Hudson6 I’m not advocating for Preller to do that. I’m saying if he wants to move Hosmer, then that is what it will take. Whether you want to admit it or not.
But hey. At least you aren’t trying to push the “Machado wouldn’t have signed with the Padres if they hadn’t signed Hosmer first” narrative like kcmark and sergefunction. I hate that.
Padres and Preller have vastly overpaid in many of the deals they did make.
Since Hosmer would block Torkelson at 1B, I’d guess trading him to the Tigers is complicated enough even without swapping prospects, especially highly rated ones like Manning or Madden (who cannot be traded now). The Padres would also have to part with Abrams, who would fill a need for the future Tigers, much more so than Gore or Campusano.
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No the Tigers would not take on a Hosmer Contract, but they would take on Myers to shed some AAV so SD can go after Scherzer. Grossman & Wily Peralta for Myers & Abrams.
Wouldn’t work. If the Tigers give up Peralta, SD would no longer need Scherzer!
I did some research & Torkelson has not played First yet, all Third. So if thats the deal the Tigers should trade Grossman, Wily Peralta and a choice of Schoop or Faedo for Myers, Hosmer, Gore & Abrams. That would clear the books enough for SD & the Tigers are a couple years away from a real shot at making the World Series. Hosmer at Comerica has a slash line of 60 Games, 260 PA, .300 BA, .358 OBP & .498 SLG. Myers is younger than Hosmer & only has 1 more year of bad contract & Hosmers contract will be livable after next year. This could help both teams but helps SD right away.
That will never happen. Padres aren’t going to trade either of them to get rid of either of those dudes. Let alone both of them.
Myers really isn’t an issue anyways. He only has 1 year remaining.
No need for all these if gore or abrams is included stuff. The padres will live with them both next year and then worry about it. Unless there is some sort of contract swap or straight pay down by the padres both will be here come Saturday at 4pm est.
Enough of my General Managing, Avila would never do this. Gore & Abrams just are not worth the contracts of Myers & Hosmer to cover. Good Luck to SD on Dumping them. The Tigers are in a very good position right now without taking on any bad contracts for some maybe prospects. There are an over abundance of Shortstops on the Free Agent Market this winter & they will cost much less. Avila will only make a move if it will strengthen the Team. His moves are starting to show results even with all the injuries this year. Tigers are back on the rise. Happy, Happy, Happy!
They need to clear salary now for acquisitions, not two years down the road. They will pay dearly to dump Hosmers AAV to acquire a starting pitcher.
Tigers would not take on full Hosmer contract. Padres would have to kick in at least 50%
That is funny. Padres won’t be attaching Gore or Abrams to any trade let alone one that light.
Padres only made it to Division Series in 2020, not the Championship Series. Small thing sure but important detail
Hosmer for Stanton.
Zip it kids.
Padres would have to add a Top prospect like Abrams to entice any team to take on Hosmer’s horrendous contract. More likely is that the Padres would eat like half his contract and include a lesser prospect.
Any talk of Hosmer to the Cubs is ridiculous. Any talk of trading Heyward and including prospects to entice another organization to accept is ridiculous. End of discussion.
This is why you’re not actually a general manager of a Major League baseball team.
At Lloyd-You are foolish to think the Cubs would accept Hosmer in any deal when they are monitoring costs and attempting to get younger and more athletic. The team still has two years left on Heyward worth just over 40 million. If you think Hosmer is a fit with the Cubs you are intellectually weak.
@Cubs GM they would if it allows them to add top prospects. The trade I came up with was Zach Davies for Eric Hosmer, Luis Campusano, Robert Hassell and the Padres pay $2m of Hosmer’s contract per year for the remainder of his contract.
If taking on Hosmer nets the Cubs prospects why not?
“This has succeeded at pushing the Friars into contention. They got as far as the NLCS in 2020 and currently hold down a wild card spot in 2021.”
What? The 2020 NLCS was ATL/LAD.
I know, right? Other than winning the pennant in 98, the Padres have not advanced beyond the NLDS(where they have a total of 1 win in the timeframe) in the Wild Card era(1995-present).
Doubt they would do it due to his contract ,but I could see him fitting in Seattle.
Trader Jerry might make a deal for Hoz and prospects..
I’m sure teams are lining up to grab a league average hitting 1B under contract for 4 more seasons at an overpaid rate
Anyone who had an ounce of brains knew this day would come when Hosmer was signed to that massive deal.
The real problem is the number of fans who still think moves like that prove that a team is “trying to win,” not to mention it sets a bar for mediocre free agents’ value.
MLBPA loves Hosmer-like contracts and points to them as what players like him deserve.
Few if any teams which have spent like the Padres have will ever get consistently good results from their foolish expenditures.
But hey, pushing all your chips in the middle of the table always works out, right?
Do you think Machado would have signed with SD if Hosmer didn’t commit first? Hosmer may not have great regular season stats, but the guy is money in the post-season.
Machado did what every player does. He went after the best contract. Whether Hosmer was there or not was irrelevant.
@kcmark where is your proof that Machado wouldn’t have signed if the Padres hadn’t signed Hosmer first? People keep saying that but then when asked for proof they go into hiding.
Prove it.
Great point–people seem to forget that and he was a good glove at one time as well.
@cubfever7 no it’s a horrible point. He has provided no proof that Machado would have signed elsewhere if not for Machado. And the Gold Glove means nothing.
Hosmer is also money when it counts with RISP. .347/.402/.545/.946 this season.
It’s been demonstrated that RISP stats aren’t sustainable and that correlation =/= causation.
Those stats mean nothing. Does his talent level suddenly change with runners on base? C’mon those stats went out in the 1970’s. No GM is buying that noise.
Hosmer is TERRIBLE in the playoffs, what are you talking about? He’s hit 257/309/385 in the playoffs, and the higher the stakes the worse he is – in the World Series for instance he’s hit 224/273/286.
The hosmer deal got the ball rolling in SD helped them get Mach and had a good keader there tobget them thru. It would be nice for him to be there when they really start to win but his AAV is hurting them
@Murphy NFLD The Hosmer deal didn’t get any ball rolling in SD! Offering Machado $300m (what he and his agent were asking for at the start of the offseason) when no one else would did.
Cubs could definitely make some sense, but the prospect return needs to be a haul. Cubs want to be able to retool quickly, but they don’t have the farm system to truly do so. Trading their tradable assets will help improve the system, but even after that they’re more set up for contention around 2024ish than next year. So take the Hosmer money if you can get that haul. Heyward comes off after 2023, and the last 2 years of that Hosmer deal aren’t onerous enough to seriously impact the Cubs financially assuming Ricketts is willing to spend again since they have no real long term money on the books.
This story sounds like the Padres front office leaked it to beg teams to take Hosmer.
Preller is not a good GM. I don’t know why ownership likes him so much.
They also leaked that they made it to the NLCS last year……….
Preller was good at building the farm system.
Some of his trades show a tendency to massively overpay for questionable returns.
(C”com 5 high level prospects for Musgrove?! Pirates hosed AJ on that deal).
After AJ leaves, he will be known as a GM who built and dismantled one of MLB’s best farm systems in 5 years time.
He also way overpaid for both Hosmer and Machado.
Tatis Jr is worth the money.
Machado is hitting like a 10-15M per year players.
Please if you think machado is playing like a 10-15m player then you’re crazy. Machado was 3rd in the mvp vote last year and has been good this year specially when you account for his defense.
Machado’s stats are something like half of Tatis Jr’s stats..So yes he is not playing to his huge contract.
Manny Machado gives gold glove quality defense with a cannon arm. Defensively Manny is gold. His current OPS is .852. C Correa is .846. J Ramirez is .854. Those guys are seen as relatively valuable aren’t they?
@hudson
Yes, they are, but because they are being paid so much less!
Ok o have a big time solution.
Yanks could use left handed bats but cannot take on any more money in order to stay below the tax threshold.
Stanton maybe willing to play in California for a winner and the Yanks are not winning. The Padres can use another big RH slugging bat in middle of that lineup.
Yanks send Stanton to San Diego with 25 million and Padres send Hosmer to the Yanks.
Stanton cap hit each year is approx 23-25 mill. Hosmer is I believe 18 mill. So the 25 million the Yanks send will offset that cap difference.
If adding Myers in the deal puts the deal over the top than do that and the Yanks will not add the 25 mill.
Now I’m not sure the Yanks would even want to do that but if they are planning on signing Judge long term in the next few years they don’t need two RFers which in all honesty is Stanton position signed to long term deals.
I think this could work for both teams snd puts Padres over the top.
If Pads want a bullpen arm the Yanks can add Britton or Chapman even.
I think these two teams really line up perfectly in trades. Going in opposite directions right now also.
The Padres already have 3 outfielders. I think Stanton is ‘relatively’ underrated at this point, since I think he still has 1-2 more good years in him, but he doesn’t represent an upgrade for the Padres in the outfield.
Unpopular idea: attach Gore to Hosmer. Hopefully they get back a young mlb pitcher and some high upside prospects years away.
A little late but…
Hmmm.. should’ve sent him to pittsburgh along with half his remaining salary through the rest of his deal. so about 30mish through 2025. Include another pitching prospect. as well.
If Eric finds some improvement again pirates maybe able to flip him if they pay some of the salary as well.. the result would be a cheap first basemen for the third team. could ‘easilly’ be released with out a huge cost for the team.
I would have done it if i could have gotten another quality prospect. Of course you know, just like my opinion man
I’m sure they tried. But it probably would have required a top prospect going back to Pittsburgh and even then, doubtful the Pirates do it. I like the idea though.
I’d be okay if the Rockies took his deal on as long as a couple of good prospects came along for the ride. The Rox are shedding enough payroll that they will be able to afford Hosmer and getting the prospects could help rebuild the farm more quickly.
In addition, Hosmer might not have the tangible stats, but he is full of intangibles like being a leader and a winner. He turned that San Diego clubhouse from a year-in, year-out doormat into a team that believed it had a chance. There is value in that even if there isn’t an algorithm to prove it. San Diego spent money and had good prospects, but look at the Angels. They have had great prospects and the best players from both the 2000s decade and the 2010s decade and STILL can’t win. You NEED winners on a franchise that loses more than it wins..
The Padres went from a doormat to contender when Tatis showed up. Hosmer and his leadership never had any measurable impact.
Yes, that is what INTANGIBLE means.
Clubhouse chemistry is extremely important.
AJ Hinch brought that to Detroit.
Detroit now rates in the top percentages of winning teams over the past few months.
Hosmer made it possible to build the team, get credibility, sign Machado and extend Tatis Jr etc…Who do you think mentored Tatis Jr and the other young players?! (Hint the veteran players like Hosmer and Machado). Machado would not have signed without Hosmer on board already. Machado could have easily taken a little less $$ and landed in LA or NYC…
@SportsFan0000 no he did not!!!!!!!!!!!! Signing a sub-replacement guy gives you no credibility. And Machado and Tatis signed for one reason: cash. Not Hosmer, cash. Machado’s agent said at the start of his free agent offseason that they would not consider offers for less than $300m guaranteed and the Padres were the only ones who offered that. Are you seriously trying to tell us that Machado and his agent would have gone back on their $300m demand when they already had a $300m offer in-hand if the Padres hadn’t signed Eric Hosmer first???? Are you????
“Machado would not have signed without Hosmer on board already.”
WHERE IS YOUR PROOF OF THIS!?!?!?!?!?!?!?
No response? Figures.
What response could be given? Sportfan’s entire premise is baseless and without evidence. My guess is they’re smart enough to know when to fold’m.
I’m pretty fed up with people saying Machado and Tatis wouldn’t have signed if we hadn’t signed Hosmer first and then going into hiding when asked to provide proof. And no, prognosticating about how no one respected the Padres before they signed Hosmer isn’t proof. Hell, they didn’t respect the Padres after they signed Hosmer. They didn’t even really respect them after they signed Machado. The turning point on that front was the 2020 series in Texas when the Rangers manager called Tatis out for hitting a grand slam on a 3-0 count and everyone took Tatis’ side.
SportsFan0000
Who do you think mentored Tatis Jr and the other young players?! (Hint the veteran players like Hosmer and Machado).
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Just for the record:
1-Tatis was the #2 prospect in baseball. Hosmer didn’t step in and teach the kid how to play.
2-Tatis Jr was the son of Tatis Sr. So he was learning how to play for 20 years before ever meeting Hosmer.
3-When he got to SD, there were 10-15 veterans on the team. Do you have some documentation that says Hosmer was the key veteran who mentored Tatis?
To me, your entire statement sounds like an attempt to rationalize a bad signing. That would be like me, a RS fan, trying to say that Sandoval & Hanley Ramirez were good signings because they ‘tutored’ Betts and Devers. If you take that route, virtually every player is a good signing.
hiflew –
How do you give Hosmer credit for any of that? Were you there to witness it? The team’s made up of 25 guys who collectively determine the attitude of a team. I don’t get how you figure Hosmer was responsible. Probably has a little more to do with their incredible talent that came up through the farm system and the exciting youth that was infused to the roster. Tatis?
Whatever…you believe what you want and I’ll believe what I want.
We’re the Padres in the NLCS last year? I seem to remember the Braves and Dodgers.
Yeah, the Dodgers swept the Padres in the NLDS.
I apologize in advance for the stupid question I’m about to ask. If padres trade Hosmer to another team – lets say cubs – and pay $8 MM of his 2022 salary. Would the cubs still be hit with $18 MM cap hit or is the $18 MM shared by padres and cubs ( SD $8 MM cubs $10 MM) since Sd is paying $8 MM of his salary..Basically I’m asking if the entire cap hit is assigned to team player is playing for or is it broken into %’s depending on who is paying what portion of his salary?
I am fairly sure it’s proportionally allocated between the teams.
Brian Cashman…..nooo, stay away. Let’s not try a Vernon Wells thing.
Is his defense really that bad or is the terrible Padres infield defense. Tatis is fun too watch because he makes Gleyber Torres look like a gold glover.
Angels should bite IF the prospects are right.
Pujols, Bundy, Cobb, Heaney, Quintana, Raisel Iglesias, Jose Igelsias, and most of the bullpen pile of garbage are off the books in a couple of months (although I’d like to keep the Igelsias guys around).
Most of those guys will be replaced with free agents making a few million to $10+ million per year. If the Angels could snag two MLB ready pieces, particularly pitching ones, they would likely be no worse off payroll wise than picking over the scrap pile of MLB free agents next year. And actually have youth on our side for once.
Play the kids, DFA Hosmer at the end of Spring Training.
Since Anaheim is where bad contracts go to die, it would make perfect sense.
Go to die? We spawn them like mad: Pujols, Gary Matthew Jr., Hamilton, were all self inflicted.
CJ Wilson, Vernon Wells too. Angels collect bad contracts instead of trophies.
Friedman should take Hosmer but we’ll need Gore.
Dodgers could use a lefty pitching prospect.
We don’t care about the luxury tax this year and we’re losing Bauer’s contract soon
Pretty sure Preller isn’t letting Gore go to any division rival.
Garrett Richards for Hosmer and Gore? Fills Red Sox need for LH 1st baseman, Pads dump all the salary and receive a somewhat serviceable starter that can be controlled next year also.
Red Sox fit is really good. Hosmer as a platoon bat has a plus wRC against RHP since ’18. He’d probably give them at least league avg wRC against RHP for 2-3 years.
Exactly and eventually he can get reps at DH when Casas is up with JD presumably leaving in FA. I think this has Bloom written all over it.
I think it all depends if SD is serious about incl Gore or Abrams. It ain’t happening without one of those, unless SD seriously chews the contract down too.
@jbryant
Unless salaries are a wash, Boston won’t do it, no cap room. The reason SD wants him gone is to dump the salary, and create room. Other than that, yeah, its a good fit.
The Padres got as far as the NLCS last year? That’s pretty cool, getting tickets on such short notice.
Just to be clear, almost any team that trades for Hosmer would just be buying prospects by taking X amount of Hosmer’s salary in the trade.
You’re pretty smart.
Cubs Padres should do a one for one trade. Heyward for Hosmer. Heyward has less money left on deal than Hosmer (and Padres could package him with a prospect and flip him somewhere else). Cubs would get a serviceable first baseman while they go through rebuild after trading Rizzo. And if he plays better he can be traded in the following seasons
No way in hell we are trading a bad contract for an equally bad, but longer contract and a worse glove.
Plus, Anthony Rizzo is a Chicago institution. Heart of the team.
Anthony Rizzo isn’t coming back and will be traded most likely. Look at hosmers stats and he’s out performed Rizzo anyway except in fielding. He’d be the perfect first baseman to have during a rebuild. You gotta face it the Cubs are headed to a rebuild. I’d be shocked if any of Bryant, Baez, Rizzo, Contrereas are on the team next season
Hosmer has notoutproduced Rizzo in anyway ever, including fielding. This is a ridiculous statement.
Wowwwwww –
Your screen name is exactly what I was thinking after reading your statement. You are clearly trolling…or at least I would hope so
I assumed the Bucs would have taken him in that deal yesterday for a brtter return. But teams like Rox, Cubs, bucs, Mia and Bal come to mind as straight rebuilding teams that could take on allbhis salary and buy prospects. I think Boston makes alot of sense as they need a 1b so getting prospects for filling a need is a win win.
Oh God, please don’t do it Jed.
With all the stats out there, it’d be nice to know how many long term, big money contracts worked out. Here’s just another example of an old saying: Better to want something/someone that you don’t have than to have something/someone you don’t want.
Looks like the free spending is catching up to them. Looks like they have to unload to be able to add. Don’t think any mlb franchise would be dumb enough to take on that contract unless the pads pay it down. Not even the cash rich yankees who could use his experience would attempt to reach out unless that contract was reduced. Good luck on that one Preller.
One of the few teams for which Hosmer would be an upgrade at 1B is CLE, and they would take him if SD attaches a blue chipper. I have no idea who they’d send back in the deal. The reality is Dolan would choke to death on Hosmer’s remaining contract, so it’s not gonna happen.
Solaris602 –
The Indians are one of the cheapest teams in baseball. No way they’d take him unless the Pads paid almost his entire salary….and would still need to attach a prospect or two. He is the definition of replacement level
If you give out good players with him maybe
LOL There’s no way in hell that any team is going to bail the Padres out and take a declining Hosmer and 4 more years of that horrendous contract. If the league is smart, and they are, they’ll teach the Padres a lesson about throwing money around like drunken idiots.
$60M worth of prospects is a Lot of prospect capital to dangle in a trade
Gore,Hassel,Mason Thompsons plus Hos and his contract for Means and Mancini.
Controllable starter in Means and 1b replacement for Hos.
In the open market Hosmer would get no more that 1 year at around 3 million. There is nobody taking on his $60 million. The padres would have to juice the deal with ALL their best prospects and STILL have to eat at least $40 – 50 mill to move him.
The Tigers, Royals, Pirates etc could do this deal for Hosmer, take back top prospects, have the Padres pay 1/2 Hosmer’s salary etc…Then,. when Hosmer gets hot again flip him to another team if the offseason or at the 2022 trade deadline… Tigers would want CJ Abrams back for their trouble in taking Hosmer.
Cabrera’s deal will be off the books after 2023. Tigers presently have no other long term big contracts. If Hosmer goes to Detroit, then he will be learning some new positions also like OF etc. AJ Hinch likes his players to master multiple positions. Schoop has played new positions like 1B in Detroit also,
Ha ha! CJ Abrams ha ha!
If teams even want Abrams who is out for the year with a very serious injury and who knows if he will ever be the same…Big gamble for the receiving team…
SportsFan0000 –
When he gets hot AGAIN? When was the first time? You seen those WAR numbers?
Wonder if this is as motivated by the infield logjam the Friars have created as it is by the money aspect.
Even before acquiring Frazier, the Pads already had a hard time finding Kim regular ab’s, which is unfortunate b/c he needs more consistent playing time in order to develop at the major league level.
I wonder if the Twins would consider Hosmer in a deal for Berrios. The Twins would get a 1B/DH option which would allow them to DH or try to trade Sano or Donaldson. I don’t see the Twins trying not to contend next season and Hosmer is a good clubhouse leader. Perhaps a return to the AL would help him offensively.
Tigers could be interesting if they plan on excelerating their re-build. They have a 2B playing 1B right now and another veteran voice to join Miguel Cabrera wouldn’t hurt. The team has no big money commitments beyond Cabrera so he definitely wouldn’t hurt the payroll
41 year-old Albert Pujols’ 2021 OPS & OPS+
.744/101
Hosmer, CJ Abrams, Gore and other prospects to the Tigers.
Relief pitcher Jose Cisneros, Starting pitcher Willy Peralta to the Padres.
Padres get salary/luxury tax relief, and a reliable veteran starter who has pitched very well this year + a quality, controllable bullpen arm to fortify Padres rotation and bullpen.
Tigers get a starting SS for 2022, a future starter in Gore and a few other prospects from the Padres farm system.
“Win/Win” trade for both sides.
Of course, Tigers would demand that Padres eat at least 50% of Hosmer’s salary..
Lmao. No.
1. Point is to clear salary. Not eat half his contract. If theyre including Gore it’s 100% salary dump.
2. You want the Padres to trade their top 2 prospects, include money, and get back a RP (their strength) along with a 30 something journeyman starter…..
Pass.
Gore and Hosmer for full contract for Faedo, Wentz, another lower level prospect and a PTBNL.
Tigers get an elite pitching prospect for taking on Hosmers contract.
Padres get lesser arm talent but near mlb ready.
LOL!
Why would the Tigers agree to fork over two top young pitching prospects Wentz and Faedo to the Padres in a salary dump where the Tigers are doing the Padres a favor by taking Hosmer, a player they don’ t really need or want?! The whole of any Hosmer deal is the receiving team to save the Padres from the exceeding the luxury tax and losing draft picks and international compensation money in ’22.
Also, there is a reason that the Padres are hiding Gore in the minors and he is not in their rotation despite numerous Padres starters and bullpen guys who are injured. Gore is either hurt or he has suddenly lost the ability to throw strikes.
Abrams is also out for the season with a severe injury Abrams was diagnosed with a fractured left tibia and a sprained MCL.
Padres are decimated with starting pitcher injuries and bullpen injuries. That is why they are shopping for starters and relievers since they are in 3rd place with a 210M payroll…
Try to keep up!
@SportsFan0000 Gore is on the minor league IL with a blister on the middle finger of his pitching hand.
The talk on Hosmer is really just speculation, Myers and Hosmer are bad deals to make the pitching woes problematic.. Getting rid of hosmer means losing Abrams and/or Gore to justify another team takes on his payroll.
1. All teams shop for depth for post season runs
2. Injury to Abrams doesn’t devalue him or make your trade more realistic.
It’s a bad trade. Sorry me telling you such hurts your little feelings. Man up. Stop crying. Propose a better trade that isn’t one sided in the Tigers favor.
SD trades, Hosmer, (Pads pick up 45 million of the 70-plus million left on his deal) Ryan Weathers, Robert Hassell, Chris Paddack, to Chicago. (dont ask me why Im giving Mackenzie Gore another year to get his act together, over trading him)
for: Rizzo and Kimbrel…..
SD gets Rizzo/Kimbrel the remainder of this season.and all of ’22…and before Rizzo hits FA, they extend him in ’22.
SD trades Myers, Campusano, and Joshua Mears to Minnesota, for Berrios
Padres say no to the first trade. Twins say no to the second trade.
The 2 of you have smoked entirely too much crack today!
Why does SD need another closer?
And with SD only operating with 5 healthy SPs, why would they trade two of them away? Even if they acquire Berrios, one could argue that, with a #5, they might be worse off.
If you were going to trade Weathers, Hassell, Paddack, Campusano, and Mears, you could get Scherzer and Berrios, and then some.
Padres already had Rizzo and one of its former, incompetent GMs gave him away to the Cubs for Andrew Cashner and a bag of used baseballs….
That trade will never happen with the Cubs since the Padres need those young pitchers to have any chance at finishing the season in the playoffs.
‘Rizzo was aleady in San Diego at the beginning of his career He struggled to hit .133) and Pads would not trade these players to rent him for a few months.
Kimbrell is a good player but not any better than what the Padres already have at the back of their bullpen.
as a Dodger fan, get this kid out of the division. Every..single..time he came to the plate in a clutch situation, bad things happened for the Dodgers. I may be exaggerating a little, but there’s no denying he tormented the Dodgers more than most.
So I guess he’s good against one team at least
Like in the NLDS last year when he hit 154/154/385 and hit a weak grounder to 2nd to end game 2 (the bases were loaded and the Padres were down 1)?
He’s also murder against the Giants. I watch the Padres when they play the Giants. As the Dodger fan before me, I’d be very happy seeing him in the AL.
Maybe you weren’t watching the 2020 NLCS last year. If so I’ll enlighten you. The NLCS featured the L.A. Dodgers and the Atlanta Braves with L.A. Dodgers winning it in 7 games. The 2020 Padres were swept by the Dodgers in the NLDS therefore the Padres never reached the 2020 NLCS.
Hosmer for Stanton
HE WAS NEVER GREAT TO BEGIN WITH.
Preller got manhard for him. That is all.
The Yankees are going to get this bum, huh ♂️
The penalty to sign a FA if you pay the cbt tax is way too much. Losing two picks and $1mm in intl funds is ridiculous. You’re making the league become a salary cap league with that punishment. I think the penalties need to be looked at in the next cba
Red Sox should go after him assuming he comes with a relief pitcher and/or prospects.
No, Anthony Rizzo is plan A and Kimbrel is plan B…..Chicago it’s John Henry not Chaim Bloom Theo what’s your price?
No team should take a declining Hosmer and his k, unless Gore is part of any deal.
I won’t go as far as to say that Hosmer absolutely won’t be traded. After all, Preller was able to trade Matt Kemp. Sure, it involved taking a guy who was owed $70m over the next 4 years who the Padres immediately released, but the point is it happened.
Like with Kemp, if the Padres do trade Hosmer, fans are really not going to like what it costs.
HILARIOUS! Everyone, and I mean EVERYONE knew that this was a horrible and incredibly stupid signing at the time it was signed. EVERYONE except a couple idiots working for the Padres, apparently. I recall them being lambasted in every form of media the day it was done. Now they think they can trade a guy who is replacement level at best and making a ridiculous amount of money? I surely wouldn’t want the guy and my favorite team has been playing Rowdy Tellez, Daniel Vogelbach, and Keston Hiura. At least there’s some hope with a couple of those guys….and I’d take Tellez over Hosmer as it is anyways. He isn’t an upgrade to any team and surely no team will trade assets to acquire him, much less give him playing time. Sorry San Diego…you guys thought you were smarter than the rest of the world and you look like idiots. You did then and you do now. You’re gonna have to pay a hell of a lot of money/prospects to convince another team to do this.
It was a big overpay at the time. However, the Padres had not been a serous contending team since the late 1990’s. Sometimes, a GM has to “buy some credibility”.
Dombrowski did that in Detroit when he vastly overpaid for an injured Magglio Ordonez and a declining Pudge Rodriquez and signed Jim Leyland to manage a team that recently lost 119 games.
Suddenly, everyone wanted to sign/play in Detroit of all places. Money and long term deals talk to MLB players looking for that last big contract.That began a 10 year World Series contention run for Detroit….that produced 2 AL pennants and 5-6 Division titles…
@SportsFan0000 signing Hosmer gave the Padres no credibility! Everyone who didn’t work for the Padres slammed the signing at the time!
It really would depend on the prospects SD is willing to give up. Are the prospects worth $40M in 4 yrs to a ball club? Essentially they’d have to give up 3 mlb ready prospects in order for a club to justify eating that salary? Good luck I don’t see SD giving what’s needed to justify eating Hosmer’s contract. He’s a Padre the next 2 years then maybe he’s tradeable.
Trade: Adam Frazier plus the cash to the White Sox for Andrew Vaughn,. Have Vaughn and Hosmer share first base..
Forget about dumping Hosmer..
The White Sox were reportedly willing to do this deal with the Pirates.. Frazier makes no sense for San Diego which needs upgrades at first base, outfield, bench and starting pitching.
Vaughn helps upgrade first base, outfield and bench by platooning.
Running up against the spending penalty is caused by Preller’s wasteful spending. He’s done some good things and bad things. Live with it!
That’s laughable..
Hosmer’s contract was not at all laughable given the underlying premise.
The major reason for this front-loaded contract was the exact same reason the Tigers overpaid (at the time) Pudge Rodriguez for 2004, which was to notify The Universe that they were now at it For Real.
Each team HOPED they would get some player value, but assumed otherwise at some point. The Padres telegraphed that by the very nature of it being so front-loaded, taking away a lot of the sting if Hosmer tanked and/or the surrounding payroll by then would be at the threshold.
They foresaw this exact scenario, and gave it a rip.
Both teams were attracting bigger fish by dangling this good-will bait as proof they wouldn’t revert to The Padre Way (Tiger Way) within 10 minutes and trade them all away and lose 119 games again. “Trust that we are legit now – sign with us.”
Sorry – decided against reading all 301 existing comments to check if this was already posted (did get to at least 100). Please forgive if a repeat.
“Both teams were attracting bigger fish by dangling this good-will bait…”
Nope. What actually attracted the bigger fish (Machado, Tatis) was money. Machado’s agent Danny Lozano said at the start of his free agent offseason that they wouldn’t even consider offers for less than $300m guaranteed and the Padres were the only ones that offered that. He would have signed with them if they didn’t have Hosmer.
That came years later. I’m referring specifically to each club’s near-total lack of respect throughout the game at that time, which was based upon somewhat differing reasons.
OF COURSE the biggest stars (and most others) sign for the bigger deal. But neither team was getting their foot in the door.
This came from participants at each event.
@sergefunction well sure they were getting their foot in the door. There is no rule that said the Padres HAD to sign Hosmer first before they would be allowed to offer Machado $300m. No rule at all. In fact, I submit that signing Hosmer made it HARDER to sign Machado because no Hosmer and they could have offered Machado more money.
Are you seriously saying that if the Padres hadn’t signed Hosmer first, that Lozano and Machado would have gone back on their $300m guarantee demand when they already had a $300m guarantee in hand?
Front loading a contract is certainly worse for the team than back loading a contract, this wasn’t some shrewd move on the part of the Padres. The smart thing to do was not pay a replacement level player at all.
Your theory does not explain why they so grossly overpaid. No one else wanted him, other than royals for about 60% of price.
Hosmer/Myers for Stanton
So the Padres are trying to lower payroll and you suggest that they exchange $80 million in obligations for $175 million in obligations? And that made sense in your head before you typed it?
I was only kidding. Just throwing it out there to get people talking.
This has a higher probability then the padres paying gore or abrams with hosmer.
The padres are under no mandate to trade either. If something comes together they will, if not they will keep them.
I could see the padres paying like 30m of the remaining contract to trade hosmer or a little less and add a lower level prospect or 2. Hosmer at 4/30 feels tradable.
They will look like total goofs doing that
AJ Hinch is under ownership mandate to “win now”. If he can’t get the Padres to the World Series soon with a 201M+ payroll and last year had the best farm system in baseball, then he may not be the right guy for the Padres going forward.
AJ Hinch? He’s in Detroit. Jayce Tinger is the manager at Petco.
Typo Should be AJ Preller.
Too many AJ’s going around lol!
SDP must feel confident they could trade Eric Hosmer before they acquired Adam Frazier
What makes you say that?
That makes no sense. Hosmer can simply be benched or released if he’s in the way. Frazier improves the team regardless of Hosmer. Plus, teams don’t work backwards like that.
Padres are not going to eat all of the remaining money on Hosmer’s deal. Guaranteed if the Padres release him he’ll sign elsewhere for league minimum for each of the next four years. It’s not impossible to move his contract, they may have to take a bad one back in return
That is not how trader AJ Preller works. He is closer to the Jerry De Poto model where he will move any player at any time if he thinks it could advantage him and his team.
Preller would move Tatis Jr if the Rays forked over 8 of their best young players and prospects…
CJ Adames and Hosner for any scrub. It takes a top prospect to take on Hosner
We need to trade for Bryant and stick him at first.
The Padres made it to the NLDS in 2020, not NLCS
Trade gore. Recurring blister issue, not a strike thrower, still working on delivery….if he was any good he would be in SD. A draft bust….move on. Padres need starting pitching now. They are in third place with no momentum.
SD could package him with Hosmer to increase interest in a swap.
LOL
KC, NYY, BOS & CHC are the only ones I can see being interested.
Can’t fully rule out…
Twins
Nats
Nats have Bell.
No to all four. KC has Santana, and won’t being picking up any old guys for a while. NYY willeventually get Voit back, but in the meantime, they are playing DJ at 1st, and Odor at 2nd. Hosmer won’t improve that. Boston is not going over the cap for someone like Hosmer. The Cubs are rebuilding and have Rizzo.
I think the CHC aspect is that if they trade Rizzo somewhere, they can grab Hosmer and plug him into first while grabbing prospects from SD for taking on that contract. Hosmer won’t be too expensive for CHC.
The Yankees aren’t taking on Hosmer’s high expense. If they were to decide to bust through and over the luxury tax threshold it would be for an impact player. That’s not Hosmer.
They’ll need to pay down the remainder of Hosmer’s deal by at least a third and attach a prospect. I wouldn’t put it past Preller to pull something off, but it’ll be complicated.
Weird. Hosmer is on the no-trade clause of 29 teams
Is it just me or is that a super random ‘No Trade’ list
Agree, makes no sense unless it’s cities he doesn’t want to live in.
it is a weird list -probably good for him he has a no trade with the giants because I can absolutely see farhan pulling another zach cozart style trade for him where you take the salary dump and some prospects of their hands and release him.
It’s also odd because some of those teams he’s blocking trades to would never take that contract. Like OAK and CLE won’t spend that on legit pieces, even if they’re getting prospects they’re not going to eat that deal.
Very weird. One explanation is that he made Padres pay to remove teams like Yankees and Dodgers from the no trade list. Otherwise, it just seems like places he did not like or would not like to live.
TLDR
Hosmer bad, contract bad. Preller good. Everyone stfu and let it play out because none of you know sheeit
Yeah! Maybe they can trade him for Noah Syndergaard! Or even trade him for JT Realmuto and then “just extend” Realmuto!
If the goal for the padres is to reduce payroll but improve at first then Rizzo doesn’t make sense as his pay is still very high and giving up a lot will still mean the Padres are payroll restricted and have less prospects to sustain it. Matt Olson on the other hand makes a lot of sense should the A’s front office decide to start retooling.
Matt Olson is quite cheap and defensively per OAA over 3 years he is the best defensive first baseman, he is certainly the best picking first baseman in baseball and his bat has potential to be elite power. The Padres do have CJ Abrams who would suit the A’s and I would like to watch CJ Abrams and Nick Allen in the middle infield for years. The Pads will have to kick in money to and quite a lot of it.
If BTV is a fair reflection CJ Abrams is about half of Olson’s value so perhaps the Pads are prepared to slash the pay on him by half. gives them money in the offseason to make moves. Cronenworth can just move to second and Frazier can play INF/OF.
Did you not even bother to read the article BeatleJews? The Padres are trying to get rid of a 1B, not pick up another one.
It is all academic, the Padres can’t move him without giving up a lot.. Also adding Olson improves their 1B and 2B and even OF situation by moving players.
The Padres currently have Hosmer, Cronenworth and Frazier to play 1B and 2B. One already has to sit. If the Padres pick up Olson then 2 have to sit. Do you expect the Padres to give your team one of the top prospects in baseball for someone they cannot even use?
actually the Padres only reached the NLDS 🙂
Surprised to see SF on the list. Guess he’s not a fan of the area since Oakland is on the list as well.
Were I Hosmer I would amend my no-trade list to include the 10 teams with the worst records. As the only teams trading for him at this point are rebuliding teams who are adding him as a way to buy prospects. No contender is trading for him. And all other things equal he probably wants to play for a contender.
The only bounce back Hosmer sees is the baseball rolling right on by first base. Or perhaps a breaking ball he swung at in the dirt
Some guy on Youtube is saying that the Padres and Rangers are in talks. Joey Gallo for Robert Hassell III and Eric Hosmer with the Padres eating 50-75% of the remaining money owed to Hosmer.
I am as big a Hassell fan as any but I have to think the Rangers could get Hassell and probably more for Gallo without taking Hosmer.
The Padres won’t trade Hassell without getting rid of Hosmer. The Padres don’t need Gallo now that they have traded for Frazier. They don’t need and cannot take on another left-handed bat without getting rid of Hosmer. They cannot take on any bats without getting rid of Hosmer.
If the Padres make that trade it will be primarily to reduce salary and clear up a spot on the roster. Gallo would be the secondary piece. This won’t happen unless the Rangers don’t get a better offer. They may not.
I agree that they don’t need Gallo but if the Rangers are actually willing to trade him and take Hosmer you have to consider it. Maybe they get a third team involved?
I would hate to lose Hassell, especially with both Pham leaving after this year and Myers after next. But yes, they have to consider it.
It’s hard to see any scenario where the Padres can move Hosmer at a palatable price. Hassell, let alone Hassell plus money, isn’t palatable in my wholly unprofessional opinion. Cutting Hosmer’s playing time may be the least bad of a slew of bad choices. He has hit well in July, which….is something.
Next year his contract still sucks, but after that 13M per is not too much for SD to pay for a LH pinch hitter. You probably wouldn’t have to attach a top 5 prospect to move him or take back a really egregious contract. That’s not too much money to just release him, either. Or maybe he has a good 2022 and opts out (fingers crossed).
I wonder if his COVID vaccination stance has cost him credibility in the clubhouse, which might contribute to Preller wanting him out.. You know the young single players (and some of the less-young, less-single ones too) would enjoy the freedom brought by an 85% vax rate.
The Hosmer deal, and the Myers / Profar contracts, make me wonder if Preller even listens to analytics / business people.
No way in Hell does Hosmer opt out.
If he hits in the neighborhood of 280 / 345 / 480 in 2022, he and his agent might think he can get more than 3 /39. VERRRY unlikely, but possible.
Someone on Fangraphs commented that “Dave Cameron has not yet murdered Eric Hosmer in a crime of passion. I feel like Dave gets too little credit for this.” That aptly sums up my feelings.
@Billy Baroo I have a better chance of sleeping with Ariana Grande than Eric Hosmer does of opting out of his contract