The Padres have acquired one of the most sought-after players on the trade market, picking up second baseman Adam Frazier in a four-player swap with the Pirates. Infielder/outfielder Tucupita Marcano, outfielder Jack Suwinski, and right-hander Michell Miliano are the prospects heading to Pittsburgh in the deal, and the Pirates are also sending $1.4MM along with Frazier to San Diego. The deal became official Monday afternoon.
It’s the first big move of deadline season for Padres general manager A.J. Preller, who is no stranger to splashy moves and is pushing to get his team first to the NL West title and then deeper into October. While a number of pitching injuries would very well result in some arms being added between now and July 30, Preller recently indicated that a bat was also on his shopping list.
Frazier is enjoying the best season of his seven-year MLB career, hitting .324/.388/.448 with four home runs over 428 plate appearances for the Bucs in 2021. There is some possibility for regression, as Frazier’s .359 BABIP has helped make up for some very low hard-contact numbers, and his .337 xwOBA is well below his .368 wOBA. However, even that xwOBA is still above average, and Frazier somewhat makes up for that lack of hard contact by making a lot of contact in general — fitting the Padres’ model as a player who rarely strikes out.
Frazier is a left-handed hitter, and while the Padres generally lean more to the right side of the plate, Frazier might supplant another left-handed hitting regular in Eric Hosmer. The hot-hitting Jake Cronenworth could slide from second base to take over from Hosmer as the regular first baseman, opening the door for Frazier to become the new everyday second baseman. Since Frazier also has experience as a corner outfielder, he could move into the grass to spell Tommy Pham or Wil Myers, giving San Diego even more positional flexibility.
Since Frazier also has one more year of arbitration eligibility remaining, he’ll be able to help the Padres for both this year’s playoff race and throughout the 2022 season. Frazier was earning $4.3MM this season, so the $1.4MM sent from Pittsburgh will cover most of his remaining salary for 2021, which helps the Padres stay under the $210MM luxury tax threshold.
There was little doubt that the rebuilding Pirates were going to move Frazier by the deadline, given that his strong season only enhanced his trade value. Pittsburgh fans expecting multiple top-100 type prospects may be disappointed by the return, though it’s worth noting that Frazier has been more solid than outstanding during his career, with an even 100 OPS+ and wRC+ over his first six big league seasons. Nevertheless, the Bucs did add three notable prospects to add to GM Ben Cherington’s overhaul of the farm system.
Marcano is the only member of the prospect trio with any MLB experience, appearing in 25 games for San Diego this season and posting a .485 OPS over 50 plate appearances. An international signing from Venezuela in 2016, the 21-year-old Marcano is ranked by MLB Pipeline as the fifth-best prospect in the Padres’ deep farm system, while Baseball America has him in the eighth spot.
The Pirates valued Marcano highly enough that they were willing to include the $1.4MM to the Padres, Rosenthal reports, while other Frazier bidders like the Mariners weren’t asking for any money back in a proposed trade. Heyman adds that the Padres weren’t willing to discuss Marcano back when San Diego and Pittsburgh worked out the Joe Musgrove trade last winter.
There’s plenty to like about the versatile Marcano, who has played mostly second base during his pro career but has also seen a lot of time at third base, shortstop, and both corner outfield slots. At worst, Marcano seems like he’ll have a future as a utilityman, and he could well become a regular due to his excellent contact skills at the plate. Marcano does lack some power, and while he possesses plus speed, BA’s scouting report notes that he will need to improve his baserunning instincts. Marcano skipped Double-A entirely and made his Triple-A debut this year, hitting .272/.367/.444 with six home runs in 199 PA.
Neither Suwinski or Miliano appeared in the top-30 Padres prospect rankings for either Pipeline or Baseball America, but both youngsters have put themselves on the map in 2021. Suwinski was a 15th-round pick for the Pirates in 2016, and hadn’t hit much in his first pro seasons before exploring for a .269/.398/.551 slash line and 15 home runs over 267 PA at Double-A San Antonio. As noted by BA’s Matt Eddy, Suwinski has been doing this despite hitting in a pitcher-friendly home ballpark, though he’ll be moving to another pitcher-friendly location in the Pirates’ Double-A affiliate in Altoona. Suwinski has experience at all three outfield positions, and is just a few days away from his 23rd birthday.
The 21-year-old Miliano has a 6.11 ERA over 94 1/3 innings in San Diego’s farm system, getting to high-A ball this season. Miliano has given up a lot of hits (84) and, troublingly, almost as many walks (78) over his four seasons, but the Pirates were surely intrigued by his ability to miss bats. The right-hander has a 31.74% strikeout rate in the minors, and that number includes an absurd 44.44% rate over 25 2/3 innings at A-level Lake Elsinore this year.
ESPN.com’s Jeff Passan (Twitter link) was the first to report that the Padres had acquired Frazier. FanSided’s Robert Murray reported that the Pirates were getting three prospects, with The Athletic’s Ken Rosenthal and Dennis Lin identifying Marcano and Suwinski and ESPN.com’s Kiley McDaniel identifying Miliano. Kevin Acee of the San Diego Union-Tribune tweeted that the Padres were getting cash back in the trade, with MLB Network’s Jon Heyman specifying the $1.4MM figure.
Photo courtesy of USA Today Sports Images
Maclunkey
Whaaaaa?
Francys01
The Padres are not playing, they want to win so bad. That division belongs to the Dodgers, but the Giants could surprise by getting a wild card spot or they could win the division. Preller is going to weaken that farm system. He is not done yet, he is just getting started. He will acquire a few more players. I’m glad for Frazier that will have an opportunity to win and get to the playoff if the Padres make the playoff.
Basballfanno1
Would love to
See him wipe the farm and still fail
amjr
Not sure anymore the division belongs to the Dodgers.
Francys01
amjr- I don’t even like the Dodgers, but I know that if most of the players were healthy like Mookie, Seager among others that team would be playing much better and possibly in first place. Although, I would like the Giants to win the division.
802Ghost
But they’re not. So what if’s don’t matter. Giants are killing it.
fox471 Dave
Yeah amjr, it is pretty obvious.
BeforeMcCourt
The dodgers have won it 8 straight years and are in 2nd place despite the middle of the order not playing a week together. And the 3rd place team is the 3rd best team in baseball
Call it what you want, but it’s certainly not the giants division because of the standings in July
ABStract
The Giants have been playing without their entire starting infield and are still leading the league, so LA isn’t unique, all teams have injuries.
All hail Zaidi!
We all know what he’s done with the pitching staff and dudes like Yaz, but he just keeps bringing up guys out of nowhere that are winning games for them like Wade Jr and T. Estrada, it’s amazing.
You may not consider it the Giants division, but it’s theirs to lose at this point. And just because they have a lot of great players, that doesn’t make LA the best team-only records decide that.
BasedBall
The whole MLB belongs to the dodgers, we’re the champs.
No respect
usafcop
The difference is the Giants are without their mid 30’s aging veterans that were bad contracts as recently as last season Crawford and Longoria….while the Dodgers have been without perennial MVP candidates Betts and Bellinger during parts of the season as well as losing Bauer the past few weeks….
Huge difference in what each team has been without and I don’t go off just this years anomaly type season that Crawford and Longoria have been having….the last couple seasons they were basically average or below average considering their price tags….
All that plus Gausman has been pitching like Scherzer and he is no Scherzer lol….things should start to settle in once the Dodgers get healthy….
As far as the Giants extreme depth….their backups wouldn’t even make most good teams rosters….they are all playing above their heads….look up their stats over the past 3 years or so….
giantsphan12
Francys, I agree about the injuries on the Dodgers side,
but the Giants are super banged up too (Longoria, Belt, Crawford, LaStella, Sanchez). The Giants are going to start getting some
Of those guys back soon, so they will hopefully be stronger down the stretch than they are now. It may be wishful thinking, because on paper, The Dodgers and the Padres are better teams….but, the Giants might just win the division.
DODGER JR
Really? The Dodgers have so many players out hurt and they are still only 2 games back of SF in the standings. They are down 3 starting pitchers, they are missing their starting SS, RF, CF and have some guys in the bullpen that are hurt. They will get healthy pretty soon and I am not bashing the Giants in the least. They will battle it out with the Dodgers for the rest of the year but don’t count the Dodgers out.
Francys01
giantsphan12- True.
PiratesFan1981
@cryptonerd huh? besides last year?
RockLowDown
The giants aren’t beating the dodgers right now in the division, the dodgers are beating themselves. . The dodgers will get it together and win the NL West
padresfan111323
Padres are better on paper than Dodgers. But LAD always seems to play better than they should, and padres are playing worse than expected. It’s really frustrating as a fan.
Biff Tanner
The best teams often lose in baseball.
martevious
Oh, c’mon, Hosmer isn’t that bad. No comparison at all to Davis.
Christian
Yeah seriously it’s still the dodgers division to lose. Until someone else wins it then it’s still the Dodgers division. Standing in July don’t mean anything.
MikeD26
They played their worst baseball when they were healthy.
Darryl Rose
Games aren’t played on paper though.
Rsox
They aren’t played on a computer screen either but analytics rule the sport
boachthecoach
I don’t think it’s fair to say that the team in second place “owns the division”
circaflex
Lets be real here, the dodgers have won the NL West the last 8 years in a row; its pretty safe to say they own the division.
Francys01
circaflex- Thank you, you know what I mean.
Lcut32
Fair point that the Dodgers have won 8 in a row but SF also has the best record in baseball, it’s not like they’re leading a weak division.
boachthecoach
And the giants have the same amount of World Series wins as them in that time frame
802Ghost
Except those 8 titles mean nothing in respect to 2021.
ben w.
Maybe “owned” is best used here?
Francys01
Lcut32- The Giants are leading the division by two games. To be honest that is nothing with so many games left to play. The Dodgers could catch up easily. The Dodgers are the Dodgers for a reason. But, I’m going to stop talking about the Dodgers because from that division I like the Giants and only the Giants.
Noel1982
I don’t know how they have actually been a bigger pain in the rear to your cardinals by far then the dodgers in the playoffs since 2000 ! I guess that earned respect instead of disdain
I Beg To Differ
Didn’t the giants win a ws or 2 during that 8 year dodger division title run?
jimthegoat
@I Beg To Differ One. The first 2 came before the Dodgers’ division title run started.
I Beg To Differ
Thanks Jim. Good looking out.
Not a clever name
That an a 1/3 of a season will get you one World Series win in the last 33 years.
Not a clever name
Oh and about 7-8 billion in payroll.
DODGER JR
Which any of the other teams in baseball would have celebrated and earned it as much as the Dodgers did. Stop with this 1/3 of a season BS. They beat Atlanta, San Diego and Tampa to get the trophy. If say the Yankees would have won the Championship last year everyone would have been singing their praises about how great they are.
ricanrob14
No one team “owns the division”. All 3 have a chance at the crown imo. But if i were betting my money would be on the Dodgers. Only because of the experience and depth. The dodgers are 2 games back because of that depth. The Pads are almost there but always seem to play below their abilities in crunch time. The Giants are for real. If they can aquire another starter and possible Marte..watch out. So Dodgers getting healthy sooner than later, the Giants will stay atop or near it and the Padres need to play with some humbleness rather than throwing a party for every hit. Maybe they should save that partying and dancing for when they win a playoff series
seamaholic 2
Preller is confusing the fact that he CAN make moves with the idea that he SHOULD. He’s just in on every name player on the market, because he’s got the farm to do it. But honestly I don’t see a championship team here, and meanwhile their farm has deteriorated alarmingly. This guy that the Pirates got was the Padres #5 by mlb.com. A couple years ago he’d have been in the teens.
yankees2016rebuild
San Diego robbed the pirates. Wtf are they doing they cheaped out on drafting the best player in the draft now this is their no grown ups consulted in the big boy desition making.
Deleted_User
How did they cheap out on the draft when they used up their entire bonus pool?
iverbure
Don’t let facts get in the way of his stupid narrative
tstats
No. Why no.
Baseball 1600
Dang they got a second Jake Cronenworth… tough
SanDiegoTom
Cron to 1st. Hoz sucks
Vanmorrissey
Yep, that’s what it is. Hosmer , Myers, Profar, and whoever’s catching are all inconsistent.
hopper15
Cronenworth has been outstanding defensively. Makes no sense to move him off second.
los_leebos
I feel like the move gives Jayce a bunch of options. Jake can stay at 2B, put Frazier in OF and bench Profar. Jake has played plenty of 1B too this year, so it’s not like he needs to learn on the fly or nothing. Basically instead of relying on Profar, Myers, and Hosmer to be above average regulars everyday, you can now cycle their off days without losing any thump in the lineup. And now you can actually give Jake Cronenworth an off-day now and then.
algionfriddo
Hosmer refuses to make any adjustments to his groundball to 2b approach. Use him as a PH in non double play situations. If he won’t make changes, they would be better off if they just cut him, .
Jean Matrac
The only way this trade makes sense to me is if Preller is admitting his mistake signing Hosmer.
cndb41a
I think everyone else knew it before the ink dried.
ben w.
Hosmer was the shiny penny that offseason. It was Prellers way of saying, hey look, the Padres aren’t messing around anymore. He knew he overpaid. But then he got Machado and other pieces fell into place. Preller has done as good as you could hope in general. I mean, he’s no Farhan, but….
BeforeMcCourt
Except people in SD on this site..
Deleted_User
@ben w. Machado and other pieces still would have signed with the Padres if they hadn’t signed Hosmer first. It’s been proven.
gruber63
Hosmer sounds like the 2nd coming of Chris Davis
tonyinsingapore
Wait, wait – it’s Geno Suarez that’s the next Chris Davis….
dugmet
Yeah it gave the Pads some credibility. When Mets signed Pedro Martinez, Omar Minaya stated he was having trouble getting backup FA infielders to talk to him.
Joeyjoejoe
@Tonyinsingapore There is about $100 million difference between those two but there is a similarity in how they both forgot how to hit a baseball. At least Suarez dots in a HR once in a while now.
Douggy44
They are really coming for Dodgers Blood. Wonder who they gave up.
seamaholic 2
Frazier’s hard contact numbers suck, or at least they don’t match a guy with the topline numbers he’s put up this year. He’s a house of cards, a league average type dude (which isn’t nothing) having a stupid-hot half season. Regression is coming. That’s why this was the best the Pirates could do.
Mendoza Line 215
Frazier is leading the ML’s in hits.
He is one of the best contact hitters in the Majors.
BC got duped on another deal for a fielder.
Check out all of their minor league stats.NH would have done much better.
BC should only trade pitchers.
DODGER JR
Not one of their top prospects.
lemonlyman
Look out NL West!
Ya'll a bunch of salty crybabies
They’ve been saying that for a while now. Nobody is worried about the Padres.
DarkSide830
and this is what we call “blissfully unaware” in the trade.
Brew’88
Someone must be, enough so to feel the need to post that they’re not worried anyway.
DODGER JR
Exactly. The Dodgers and Giants have had a ton of injuries and the Pads still are in 3rd place. Hell the Giants are without their starting infield and are still kicking a&&.
hellsbells51
You don’t think the Padres been dealing with a ton of injuries too? Lamet was their ace last year, Tatis missed a lot of time, almost all of their bullpen has been on the IL, still have Clevinger out, Grisham missed a lot of time and I can go on. Baseball teams go through streaks and all three teams are a losing streak or winning streak away from dropping down or moving up. The head to head matchups are going to be crucial!
ryjo34jones
Did not see that coming
angt222
I guess they are out on Gallo.
YourDreamGM
Never count AJ out.
VonPurpleHayes
Holy smokes. Padres going all in.
DarkSide830
what does this say about what we might have to give up for Marte?
seamaholic 2
Starling Marte? He’s worth WAY more than Frazier. Plays CF, has been good for a long time, hard-hit numbers match his toplines. He’s good.
AndyWarpath
Extra year of control and the salary obligations partially offsets the performance. Value is different; but not THAT different.
Mendoza Line 215
Marte-Another guy given away by BC.
VonPurpleHayes
@Darkside830 I don’t think we have the prospects to get it done.
2021 great year to be a Padres fan
I hace a good feeling about this one. Frazier leada the league in hits, and he can leadoff, play 2nd, LF, RF.
Another move is coming, maybe Gibson or Berríos, sherzer
amk1920
Padres are back at it. Making trades just for the sake of making trades.
csspackler
Is that it? They acquire a 3.1 WAR player who leads MLB in hits … and it;s just for the sake of making a trade? Really?
amk1920
Well at least Preller is at least admitting his 8 year 144 million dollar man is a bust
I Beg To Differ
Happens. I remember the dodgers signing every big name international free agent they could get their hands on. Even if it meant drawing the attention of the feds.
Yasiel Puig
Alex Guerrero
Hector Olivera
Erisbel Arruebarrena
Yaisel Sierra
Pablo Fernandez
Yusniel Diaz
amk1920
Doesn’t count against the payroll of they aren’t on the 40 man roster.
I Beg To Differ
Still a waste of 200+ million collectively. And owners arent going to dish out 200+ mill and then be like let’s spend 200+ mill more.
bencole
Yeah but the Dodgers don’t need money. They don’t care about that.
amk1920
Puig was worth it just for getting Downs and Gray alone. No way the rest collectively add up to 200 million. Diaz was traded for Machado so that was fine too.
I Beg To Differ
Olivera 62.5 mill
Guerrero 28 mill
Arruebarrena 25 mill
Sierra 30 mill
Fernandez 8 mill
Yadier Alvarez 16 mill
170 mill just in those 6 alone. That’s not including other big name guys or Diaz.
amk1920
They traded Olivera and didn’t eat the whole contract while doing so. And like I said if they aren’t counting towards the luxury tax, they aren’t hurting the team. Hosmer is.
BeforeMcCourt
Wait I beg to differ is comparing what 7 international free agent wild cards just before the new rules came into play from half a decade ago to one guy on the active roster with a MLB deal taking MLB at bats and trying to draw parallels. Ahhahahah wow man. Keep trying
I Beg To Differ
Spending money is spending money regardless where owners spend it.
Spending 200+ mill on international players is 200+ mill owners didn’t invest in the mlb product. You don’t get that money back if it doesn’t work out.
Saying it didn’t hurt the it didn’t hurt the team cause x y z is incorrect. It did hurt the team.
Like I said before. Owners aren’t dishing out 200+ mill on international free agents and then spending 200+ mill more to improve the mlb product.
Whatever money the dodgers invested in those high priced free agents it took away from the owners ability to spend on other players.
BeforeMcCourt
Hey amk, don’t make him actually prove his point with facts. That makes it less impactful
BeforeMcCourt
“ Like I said before. Owners aren’t dishing out 200+ mill on international free agents and then spending 200+ mill more to improve the mlb product.”
Go look at the dodger payrolls for the year. The mlb team wasn’t hurting. Again, would require you to argue with facts to know this though.. In fact, the Padres even copied this strategy a few years later,, they were just more restricted
I Beg To Differ
Wait. Frankie thinks international free agent contracts don’t affect team spending too? Bwhahas. Good one Frankie. Maybe one day your brain will produce an actual intelligent comment. But seems that day is not today.
amk1920
2015 was in the middle of all those signings and they ran out a 300 million dollar payroll lol. It was Friedmans first season and he was eating money to set them up better long term.
Deleted_User
Don’t argue with I Beg to Differ or he’ll post like 500 comments calling you a bunch of insults and then mute you.
Tatsumaki
Don’t bother arguing with I beg to differ, huge ego and huge homer. You can present numbers and stats to disprove what he says and he still stands by what he says even if wrong. It’s like trying to describing to a flat earther that the world is round with photos and actual video footage and they still don’t believe you.
I Beg To Differ
We can’t all be smart like you thinking yu darvish would net more than Blake Snell or have great ideas like your horrendous nba trade that make 0 sense unless youre a faker fan. Kuzma for buddy hield straight up…. lmao. Just stop. Nobody wants the Lakers trash.
fox471 Dave
And there it is.
I Beg To Differ
Payroll you mean managers, executives, the ifa players, etc etc etc lmao..thats your argument? Bwahahhahahaha
How much was their actual team spending?
230 in 2015
235 in 2014
216 in 2013
They barely spent anything on the mlb roster during their big ifa spending years to improve…..wonder why…..maybe because the owners spent money on ifa guys…..wait no thatd make too much sense why mlb salary only went up 15-20 mill in that 3 year span. Well better luck next time amk. Thanks for confirming their spending on ifa did affect their ability to spend more on the mlb roster. Proved my point for me.
ABStract
I beg to differ with I beg to differ…That’s exactly what the dodgers did! They paid hundreds of millions for international players while nearing or exceeding the luxury tax for many seasons…did you just wake from a coma?
That international money has nothing to do with the money spent on the MLB team for big market teams.
Are you worried that LA isn’t spending enough money???
You’re making a similar incorrect association that some do with ticket prices and team payroll, which are also not related.
Longtimecoming
Isn’t Olivera the woman beater that the Padres ended up paying 20 mil (or more) in a trade with Atlanta? They knew he wasn’t ever suiting up but it was part of a salary swap.
jimthegoat
@Longtimecoming yup. Traded Matt Kemp for him. That’s how bad Kemp’s contract really was.
amk1920
LMAO so they were running out a payroll well over 200 million on their major league roster (no that does not include coaches or any non-players) and you are saying that somehow hampered them? They spent over 100 million on Kazmir and Maeda after 2015. After 2016 they spent almost 200 million on just bringing back Turner, Jansen and Hill. But sure they were somehow hampered by a bunch of IFA signings that’s every team was doing at that time. Boston gave Moncada 60 million and then handed Price and Porcello almost 300 million combined. You’re just spitting out nonsense to try and justify the terrible Hosmer signing lol
Tatsumaki
I beg to differ same guy that said snell would be next coming of Christ lol. Darvish has also looked pedestrian, keep dreaming salty troll
Brew’88
Before. You’re posts are catching more air than Bellinger’s bat, maybe take a MLBTR rest day?
BeforeMcCourt
Yeah Brewer? Those likes on near everything I’ve said this thread suggest otherwise
Go ahead. Make a case. What have I messed up? Cmon. You never do…
Rsox
Aside from Puig that group delivered a whole lot of nothing.
The Padres may be able to move Hosmer over the winter as the most expensive part of his contract has basically passed though i imagine that will be no easy task. Preller is spending money but at least this time it seems to be heading in the right direction after the Kemp/Upton/Upton/Shields/Kimbrel flop a few years back (though Shields eventually paid off by bringing back Tatis in trade)
Deleted_User
“The Padres may be able to move Hosmer over the winter…”
I’ll take “Things that won’t happen” for $500 Alex.
Ghost of past pirates
ibeg to differ sounds like the baldphoenix troll. complete idiot
Brew’88
20 million souls in LA and you measure yourself by getting a few Dodger fans to thumb you up? Get’re life man
MikeD26
The difference is that the giants are missing the players that were having a very good season, bellinger? MVP? That’s the past.
fox471 Dave
Yes, css. Really!
DODGER JR
That’s why the Pads have ZERO CHAMPIONSHIPS in 55 years.
Simodine
Correct, which is the same amount the dodgers have the last 33 seasons.
jury_rigger
Dodgers respond in 3….2….1….
amk1920
They don’t need to respond to a 3rd place team. Giants are the rival this season.
lemonlyman
Yeah because those wild card teams never do anything in the playoffs.
HalosHeavenJJ
Abs unlike most wild card teams who throw their clear #1 and have a steep drop, the Padres would line up nicely in the first round.
padreforlife
Really they stink on road .500
ben w.
Says the ghost of Giants past.
Ghost of past pirates
So says ghost of past pirates
DODGER JR
What does an Angel fan know about the playoffs. That’s like a vegetarian telling you how to prepare a great steak.
petersdylan36
Amk, that’s a weak comment.
Padres have the 5th best record in the NL, 9th best record in baseball, and are only three games back of the dodgers. The Padres also have a winning record against the dodgers this year.
It’s arrogant to think the Padres aren’t competition for the Dodgers at this point.
amk1920
The Padres are an erratic team this season. 2 steps forward 2 steps back. They are on track to make the playoffs but they aren’t consistent enough to go on a deep run.
6820_USN
dodgersnation.com/dodgers-why-has-la-struggled-aga…
petersdylan36
But they’re they are still only 3 games back of the Dodgers? So what does that say about them?
You are acting like they have been erratic and also 10 plus game behind the dodgers and giants, but they are not.
amk1920
Dodgers have been erratic too but haven’t had Seager since May
ABStract
Giants have been missing most of their starting infield for months…all while still leading the league in win prcnt.
DODGER JR
The Dodgers haven’t had their regular starting lineup together all season long and the Pads still are behind them in the standings. So what does that say about them?
SportsFan0000
Yeah right lol!
Dodgers know the Padres are loaded and barely got by them in the playoffs last year.
sdbaseballguy
They swept them last playoffs???
tstats
Swept them with power too, it was not light winning and just a few runs here and there
Tatsumaki
Barely got by? Dodgers out scored them 22-7 in 3 games lol. Padres fans are literally aids, just make up whatever narrative they can. Padres are good yes, they aren’t better than dodgers even while dodgers are injured. Speaks volumes
DODGER JR
SportsFan next. you will tell us that that Padres almost beat the Tigers and the Yankees in the 84 and 98 World Series.
I Beg To Differ
Dodgers are scared
Just like amk, before McCourt, tatsumaki, and west coast Ryan get scared when they see my comments.
jdgoat
Preller and the Padres literally never fail to disappoint year after year when it comes to big moves.
Samuel
Yes……
They only fail to disappoint in getting to the post-season and winning.
Great entertainment though!
petersdylan36
So they should never try to get better?
This ownership has put a winning team on the field and baseball is better because of it.
Jean Matrac
Nobody is saying not to try. The issue with Preller is how he goes about trying.
seamaholic 2
It’s a question of how. They keep weakening what was once an incredibly deep farm system to get overrated guys at the peak of their value. They did it with Snell, just did it again.
Ducky Buckin Fent
Made it last season.
They’ll make it again this season & the next few as well. Bet.
It *is* entertaining, & Padres fans are the one’s most “entertained”. Bet on that too.
Jean Matrac
Hey Ducky:
Not sure Padres fans are that entertained. Seems like every year they get declared the winners of the off-season, but fall short when it counts.
Not sure, just my opinion, but if I were a Padres fan, I think I’d be more frustrated than entertained.
Ducky Buckin Fent
Hey, tad.
Besides his initial year, Preller has been rebuilding up until last season though. I admit to an ALcentric fandom but my impression is that this “all in” mentality is relatively new.
& I love what Preller has been doing. Major signings & trades, incremental & depth additions. He keeps improving his club any way he can.
Perhaps I am wrong. Figured Padres fans would like seeing how he is putting their ballclub together.
Cap & Crunch
Padres Arc is still Tbd
I think their fans are jacked tho currently , I mean if they aren’t now, when will they ever.
There’s some forgotten landmines in the nearby fields the fans can sense but none have gone off yet so the villagers shall remain somewhat at peace
Gwynning
Love Preller, our newfound “direction” and our ability to compete. The farm is still strong, too. Sunny days here!
Deleted_User
Hate to break it to you but the Padres farm is incredibly weak once you get past the top 4.
Brew’88
@Remove, actually it’s solid top to bottom.
Deleted_User
Outside the top 4 their entire farm is either lottery tickets or guys whose upside is bench pieces/relievers.
Gwynning
I would definitely disagree with “incredibly weak after 4.” Lots of players in the pipeline. Lawson, Mears and Thompson to name 3 more in the Top 10. Great IS and Draft, too. Pick #20 will not sign, but lots of talent was taken in the first 19 rounds. We haven’t even discussed our Top 11-30 prospects. The farm is just fine even after all the movement and Rule 5 crunches. Agreed to disagree if that is still your take. Aloha!
Deleted_User
Lawson is coming back from TJ and had back-of-the rotation upside before TJ. Mears is a lottery ticket. Thompson is a reliever. With no more top 10 picks because the team is good now some of those lottery tickets are gonna have to hit for the farm to even come close to where it was a year ago.
I Beg To Differ
Don’t forget their international signings. They’ll be adding players back to the farm via drafts and ifas.
DODGER JR
What other sports in San Diego are there to be entertained by? The mighty Aztecs or the exciting Gulls of the minor league hockey. San Diego=Minor League Sports Town.
ASapsFables
Yep. Once upon a time San Diego had two different NBA franchise and one NFL team.
The San Diego Rockets left for Houston in 1971 after a short 4 year-run as an NBA expansion franchise. The San Diego Clippers lasted a lot longer but eventually left for Los Angeles.
Cue up LA one more time when the NFL San Diego Chargers also relocated to La-La Land in 2017, ironically after originally playing in Los Angeles during their inaugural 1960 season.
jdgoat
Damn, team fails at winning something they have a 1/30 chance to win. Shocking.
Ducky Buckin Fent
But it always makes a good hot take.
bbatardo
Umm they made the playoffs last year, won a playoff series, and then lost to the WS Champs. Are positioned in 2nd WC currently and stillworkingto get better. I think they are doing fine.
AndyWarpath
We’re Number 5! We’re Number 5!
Pads Fans
They were in the playoffs last season. If the season ended today they would be in again. No disappointment. There is joy in Mudville.
davidk1979
Unless they bench Hosmer and move Cronenworth to first base it makes no sense
damascusj
He also plays outfield, so it makes lots of sense
Jean Matrac
He’s played all of 21 games in the OF since 2019. It also appears that he’s limited to LF. Other than the occasional OF fill-in, him at 2B with Cronenworth at 1B, is the only way this makes sense to me.
seamaholic 2
Yeah he ain’t playing OF. If they traded for him with that idea, they’re dumber even than I thought.
BuddyBoy
Frazier plays the outfield too
davidk1979
Full OF too
tstats
Not good OF (Myers Hosmer platoon)
Rsox
Cronenworth or Frazier would play the OF the days Hosmer are in the lineup. Hosmer would not play the OF
khaisch
Frazier also plays corner outfield. Probably move him into right and bench meyers
padreforlife
Let’s bench 144 mil 1B and Myers for 82 mil stinks
Todd Kemmerer
Mentioned on the pirate game
Dunk Dunkington
Needed add, you would think the Pirates got a good return here
SalaryCapMyth
Frazier is having a really good first half. Anything before that wasn’t so much better than league average. I think your expectations were to high.
ChiSox_Fan
“too”
Cohens_Wallet
Padres looking for a 2nd half push to take it all.
jury_rigger
“one of the most sought-after players on the trade market”
Was he really though? I’m thinking the Padres just overwhelmed them with an offer.
gbs42
He really was.
TJECK109
If he was the most sought after player this trade wouldn’t have been made today. Unless the team had an internal deadline for offers. But to me the team got an offer they couldn’t refuse
gbs42
The question was “one of,” and he certainly was. Not every trade has to wait until minutes before the deadline.
Jean Matrac
It’s too early to tell if he was “one of”. If some guys like Max, Gallo, or Bryant, get traded, then I’d guess the most sought after doesn’t apply.
BeforeMcCourt
Yep. I think this offer came with a deadline and the Pirates took it
hiflew
He was a starting All Star. Only 18 of them in the league.
BeforeMcCourt
That just means the fans voted for him. Who tf cares?
hiflew
Apparently the fans do.
BeforeMcCourt
It speaks to nothing about his future performance as a baseball player
iverbure
Fans are the worst people to listen to when making baseball decisions
Rsox
But it does say a little about the season he is having. Being an All Star starter from a last place team doesn’t happen very often. If Frazier is having his career year than good for him, no one is expecting him to be Pete Rose
EliMorganFanClub
Hmm…
MetsFan22
This move makes the Padres a legit contender to Mets if they play. Getting kind of scared. ( before this trade they were still able to beat us in a playoffs series. But now I’m worried we could lose.)
BRUH.SF.BRUH
Metsfan 22 never fails to make any possible story about the Mets lol. Are you so sure they actually win the division there chief boss?
jury_rigger
Mets are trash, just like you
VonPurpleHayes
I literally laughed out loud.
MetsFan22
I’m happy I made you smile
Lloyd Emerson
Metsfan22 has single-handedly brought shame and disgrace upon the Mets fanbase for generations to come.
MetsFan22
lol
When it was a game.
He is embarrassing. I picture some guy living in his basement with his mom yelling at him from top of stairs and yells back “leave me alone mom im making a comment here”
VonPurpleHayes
It’s all a joke. He’s never serious. I fall for it, but it’s a gag.
Ghost of past pirates
You just described yourself
tstats
To be fair I’m a one game Degrom V Darvish I’m taking DeGrom but a series between the two wouldn’t go to the Mets
Basballfanno1
Until degrom blows elbow or shoulder
VonPurpleHayes
deGrom has got to be on the field to pitch.
MatthewLVT17
What are you even talking about? Lol
SportsFan0000
Padres are scared of the Mets lmfaol!
Mets can’t get out of their own way
and probably lose the Division to the Phillies
after Dombrowski makes a few deadline deals.
Metsin777
Im one of the biggest Mets fans out there, your delusional. The Mets if they make the playoffs will be the worst team out of every team to make the playoffs
394sd
Such a great move. Gives Crone time at first while we can keep Hosmer benched when he is cold and better outfield options.
seamaholic 2
Wasn’t that why they acquired Kim? That worked out well. Oh well, it’s only money.
BeforeMcCourt
And Profar. Oh wait
YourDreamGM
Major injury insurance. Outfielder or infielder goes down. No biggie. Huge mega elite depth now. Keep guys fresh down stretch.
YourDreamGM
Quick look Lange Lawson look like Cherington guys. If its Hassle I will be amazingly impressed.
Sadface
He can play the outfield. Next they should trade Myers or Hosmer to the Red Sox, the other can play first. Of course the Padres who have to pay down almost all their saleries to make a trade even possible and only expect to get a marginal prospect in return. Or keep them both. I guess one could DH if they make the World Series. Do they really have that great a farm system that they can trade away so many prospects?
whyhayzee
The Red Sox don’t need anyone who can hit until the 8th inning.
I Beg To Differ
Padres will mix and match him.
I can see Myers playing first and Frazier playing in the OF when they face a lefty starter.
They’ll most likely rotate Frazier through 3B, 2B, 1B, RF, LF to give guys days off or as mentioned above move Myers to 1st against lefties.
los_leebos
What Beg said is what Roberts and Counsell do, whom i would consider among the best managers in the sport. The trade gives Tingler a lot of options he simply didnt have last week.
badco44
Where does Jake from State Farm play now?
Monkey’s Uncle
And will he still be wearing khakis?
compassrose
Khakis are a go the red shirt a no.
Baseball 1600
Would be funny if the NL West each picked a player from the Pirates. Pads get Frazier, SF gets RichRod, LA gets Anderson
AHH-Rox
Rockies get Mario Mendoza.
hiflew
Sadly that is still an improvement over Josh Fuentes. And I am talking of Mario Mendoza TODAY, not in his playing days.
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Thank you hiflew.
bradthebluefish
Padres just keep getting better and better. And still have a solid farm system.
geg42
Success on the field determines improvement. Not high profile acquisitions.
seamaholic 2
Farm is middle of the pack now. Gore is looking more bust-like every week. This guy they gave to the Pirates was rated #5 in their system. That’s not a “solid” system in my book. All they really have left is Abrams.
Deleted_User
Gore will win the Cy Young in 2024. They just need to be patient with him.
30 Parks
A Pirates fan, Lucy, a football, and Charlie Brown walk into a bar …
Adampunk13
Uh wheres he playing?
gbs42
2B and OF, they’ll mix and match and make room.
seamaholic 2
Are they giving Kim away then?
los_leebos
Kim is a bit of a project, just 25, first year in US Baseball, affordable longterm control, and his play thus far is not worthy of regular at-bats. The Frazier move rightfully relegates Kim to a pinch-hit, defensive replacement, occasional doubleheader start role.
LordD99
Nice. They’re 17th middle infielder! Just kidding. It’ll only their 16th.
Good to see teams trying to compete, not focused on payroll and luxury tax concerns.
LordD99
Their.
geg42
An expensive wild card team
A'sfaninUK
SD are underplaying, SF are overplaying, the obvious outcome will happen.
pustule bosey
Anyone who says the giants are overplaying isn’t paying attention. They are actually injured and underplaying
Noel1982
He’s just frustrated his athletics are now 6 games out In the al west and barely holding off the Mariners for wild. Card spot 2 !
BeforeMcCourt
Ignored champion who’s in the middle because that makes his point harder to prove
letimmysmoke55
next is Bryan Reynolds to Giants
Kapler's Coconut Oil
For Andrew McCutchen?
PinstripedPride
He’s a good player, congrats to San Diego. Very happy he’s not a Blue Jay or a White Sox
Murphy NFLD
Yea i really think the jays could have used him, then trade semien cuz they r not contending this year
iverbure
Wut???
dcrising
I get this trade makes them better, but their outfield is their weak link, not their infield. Now Hosmer or Cronenworth don’t get regular ABs. I get Hosmer hasn’t been the best but they really gonna sit their 3rd most expensive player and best defender at 1st?
Simodine
He can play the outfield as well.
eric e.
Not only can he play the outfield but he is a marked upgrade offensively over other options. Shifting Cronenworth to first would be the logical move. Everyone raves about Hosmers defense while he sits at a negative WAR for the year and, by the way, rates below avg on DRS and UZR fielding metrics. They have little leverage to trade either Myers or Hosmer bc if their performance so someone is getting benched.
Hudson6
Pham is a free agent this off-season. Frasier has another year of arbitration. I guess the Padres know who will be playing LF for them next year now.
Brew’88
Downgrade
holecamels35
I would absolutely love for the Pirates to take on one of their bad contracts, Myers or hell even Hosmer, I mean they have a ton of money they can spend and really no one set to make much except for Reynolds. Why not up the payroll a bit and essentially buy prospects, doing that would most likely get a Mackenzie Gore.
bencole
Wth you talking about?? You think you’re getting Gore in a Frazier trade??? Gore has been terrible and has the yips and there aren’t 3 bad contracts that would bring him back. Look what the Pirates actually got… basically no one.
ASapsFables
In honor of new HOF inductee Hawk Harrelson, an appropriate White Sox response to this trade: “He gone, dadgummit!”
mgomrjsurf
Also White Sox’s lose an option to try and Trade for and Story and if Baez,Turner come available will cost top prospects maybe.
ChiSoxCity
Sox aren’t going to do anything, which means a quick exit come playoff time.
ASapsFables
@ChiSoxCity
Why are you being so pessimistic? I was hoping that Adam Frazier might be a White Sox instead of a Padre but there is still ample time to make deals ahead of the 3:00 pm CT Friday trade deadline. Rick Hahn still has many more available trade options in which to upgrade the 2B. position. He also has nearly 5 days left to add an impacting bullpen arm, maybe another left-handed OF bat and perhaps a veteran backup catcher. I’d be surprised if the “Sox aren’t going to do anything”.
ChiSoxCity
I’m not being pessimistic, I’m just being real. The Sox never do anything by trade deadlines. I’m saying I hope they do THIS time, because if they don’t, that’s a wrap. They’re not an elite team, not even close. So sitting here thinking a DH coming back from a 3-month IL stint is going to change that is delusional.
ASapsFables
Outside of last year’s abbreviated pandemic season, it’s been a while since the White Sox were legitimate postseason contenders at the summer trade deadline(s). More often than not they were pretenders come late July or in their recent rebuilding mode.
Before 2020, 2012 was the last season in which the White Sox were in the thick of a pennant race. The White Sox were typically quite active as mid-summer buyers after Kenny Williams replaced GM Ron Schueler following the 2000 season. The Williams/Rick Hahn regimes may not have the greatest batting average with their deadline trades but to suggest they have been sitting on their hands is blatantly false.
Dumpster Divin Theo
Much rather see them pursue a rental. Only way a Frazier deal made sense would be if they sent the Bucs their own slappy.
ASapsFables
The Padres don’t have a prime need for another second baseman with Jake Cronenworth on their roster. Waiting for Dave Nightingale to confirm that he or Adam Frazier will be flipped to the White Sox for a pitcher, an OF/1B and lotto pick Elijah Tatis!
Deleted_User
Padres’ offer to Machado was still better than the White Sox’s offer.
Dumpster Divin Theo
Meh. Not a major loss. Lighten up Frances.
Todd Kemmerer
#5 prospect for Frazier, I will take it
YourDreamGM
I hope there is still a 3rd player coming
thebluemeanie
It’ll be interesting to see where they put him in the lineup.
Gwynning
2 spot in front of Nando and Machado…?!
Brew’88
He has a career OPS+ of just 105, I doubt that qualifies him a critical spot in lineup
Gwynning
Leads the NL in hits. I’ll go with recent success overriding the career line. Also possible that Frazier doesn’t play more than 2 games in a Padre uniform. Would not be surprised to see him flipped for a Gallo, a Scherzer, etc.
A'sfaninUK
Terrible return, Pittsburgh are so bad at everything.
Dumpster Divin Theo
You get little for little.
samlumalo
The prospects they gave to Bucks are………. meh
I Beg To Differ
Not bad. Adds depth to OF, especially LH depth, and INF plus keeps him away from Dodgers and Giants who were probably in on Frazier for depth purposes as well.
Kike Can of Corn
The Sox should have no use for Myers or Hosmer unless Preller will pay down one of those contracts with significant prospect capital. That being said, I like this deal on the Pads behalf
holecamels35
Looks like an awful return. As a Pirates fan, looking for more starting pitching prospects, don’t see the hype around a utility guy with a light bat.
I Beg To Differ
Don’t sleep on Marcano. He’s got a good eye and just needs time to develop. He’s young and raw. But he’s got good bat to ball skills and could be a decent bat with high OBP and good defense guy for many years.
knowitalllad
Yeah, Bucs traded Frazier for a younger version of Frazier. This guy’s had a great year. But this ain’t exactly like trading Frank Robinson.
Dumpster Divin Theo
This. The Pads didn’t give up much, but didn’t get much, a journeyman Craig Counsell type riding high BABIP to a career high first half. Pirates simply replacing him with the next man up.
los_leebos
darkhorse best name in baseball too.
Ghost of past pirates
Hey A hole camel. What did you think they would get for Frazier????? It was adequate compensation.
JoeBrady
Marcano looks like a 6-year starter for the Pirates. The other two qualify as lottery tickets.
Bjoe
Pirates got fleeced.
frankiegxiii
….again.
BeforeMcCourt
This is proclaimed after every Preller trade, and within a year thats almost never the case…
soxtober05
Apparently, Rick Hahn forgot to set his alarm clock…
Sox4Life1958
Clearly lol.
Dumpster Divin Theo
Meh. Simply lost out on a fringey guy with weak bat to ball but high contact rate. Kind of like the slappy they already have.
soxtober05
You may want to read this article by Jim Margalus. He would argue that Frazier’s numbers are substantial against rhp, something the Sox have had issues with this year. And, as pointed out elsewhere in these replies, a player capable of at least 6 of the 9 field positions.
Meh? Hardly..
soxmachine.com/2021/06/24/adam-frazier-showed-whit…
SportsFan0000
How about trading for rotation and bullpen help?
hiflew
Day’s not over. Preller will have at least 2-3 more trades by Friday.
Monkey’s Uncle
At first glance I’m finding it a little hard to believe that this is the best they could have gotten for Frazier.
Larry David's Joe Pepitone Jersey
I’m not really sold on Frazier’s offensive breakout and I’m curious to see how the Padres fit him into the lineup, but they still got a useful player at a very reasonable price.
I Beg To Differ
My guess
Frazier rotates through 3B, 2B, 1B, RF, LF possibly SS to give guys days off.
When Padres are up against a lefty starter Myers moves to 1st as a RH bat and Frazier goes to the OF.
But we will see how they use him. They needed a LH OF.
Brew’88
Myers hasn’t played 1st all year, this trade makes it even more unlikely
I Beg To Differ
Myers has experience playing 1st, and is RH.
Acquiring Frazier makes Myers playing 1st against lefties more likely as you can keep Cronenworth at 2nd and put Frazier in the OF.
Or put cronenworth at 1st and Frazier at 2b.
Preferably which ever yields the best defensive alignment. My guess would be cronenworth 2b Myers 1st, Frazier OF.
Brew’88
Great respect for your insights on posts. But assuming they try dusting off Myers 1B glove as a pennant drive experiment, under what scenario would it make sense to replace LH bat Hosmer at first with RH bat Myers, while placing LH bat Frazier in RF instead of RH bat Profar?
I Beg To Differ
When youre facing LH starters. Which is what. Once a series if that?
They were discussing putting Nelson Cruz in the OF and possibly 1st as twins had him taking reps.
Frazier is a life time .273/.323/.383 hitter against lefties. High average some options ability against same handed pitching.
Profar is a life time .248/.321/.394 hitter against lefties when batting right handed.
If we are looking at who to play in RF I’m picking Frazier to start. Profar offers more versatility as a switch hitting bench option later in the game or as a pitch runner off the bench.
Brew’88
So both Profar and Frazier are sub .400 SLG against lefties, and both Hosmer and Myers are above. Im not sure where the value of replacement is? Frazier is by far the least likely to steal a bag or hit a HR. It’s nice to add even more depth but when SP can’t get past 4th inning I’m not sure it’s a top priority.
I Beg To Differ
Hosmer is a .250/.297/.386 hitter against lefties in his career.
Which is why Myers shifts to 1st against lefty starters.
As to Frazier or Profar it’s really a decision for Tingler.
I’d go with Frazier for the better average and better contact skills and use profars versatility late in games but that’s me.
Brew’88
Didn’t know Hosmer was .386 against LHP. Ouch. But then they’re replacing him with a guy who has slugged at .383. Ouch again. Maybe the trade off wasn’t worth Marcano and Suwinski is all I’m saying. Marcano was a valuable trade piece. There has to be more to come with this trade I have to believe.
Buccrazy
finally a solid take
rizdakc99
Surprised this is the best haul the Pirates could get
compassrose
You mean they didn’t get a Marte or Hancock quality player plus another player or two Bucs fans said Seattle would have to give up? They should have gone with Seattle and gone Trammel route. Bat is up and down but fielding is good. We sweep Astro’s going to have to be taken seriously. Doubt will happen but 2-1 will work.
pustule bosey
Would have been nice if they did it before the giants series, they couldn’t get him out
YourDreamGM
F for Pirates
A for Padres
Pirates could have waited until 2022 trade deadline and got this package. At least wait until the 30th or off season. Horrible.
Buccrazy
It was a fair trade. He could easily hit 250 the last 2 months.
YourDreamGM
He definitely could regress but not that bad. I figure he is in between the .325 hitter he is now and the .275 he was. It’s a ok trade. I got dramatic. Just 2 Padres pitchers I like and was hoping for one of them. Never expected a top 100 guy but thought it would be a little better than this. The other 2 guys are stealthy sneaky. Just figured pulling the trigger now could fetch a couple top 30 guys, not guys who could or should be in the top 30.
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Thank you Dream.
BC needs to only trade pitchers.
He did not even have to trade Frazier as you say.
Why now and not wait five days?
I think that BC is good at drafting and developing.NH was good at trading,but he would have had to realize that he would not now need to be getting ML ready players.
YourDreamGM
I over reacted some but I don’t love this trade. Maybe not a F but no better than a C. I am not as high on this SS as ranking sites are. I ? sticking at SS, possible but no certainty. His upside is he is crazy young for AAA MLB and more power could come. All true. But some guys peak at 21 and power doesn’t come. Mlb had him ranked 5th. I would have been a lot happier with their 6th or 7th best prospect instead. Pitchers with electric arms. I could be wrong. I am just a guy watching games on tv. Haven’t been to a game in 2 years. After their draft I will give them a pass. See how things look in a few years. Can’t believe they had to send cash. And this was the offer that they jumped on 5 days before the deadline. Like I said, I didn’t jump for joy as this trade was going down.
Dumpster Divin Theo
C for both. Meh return for a meh pickup. Back to your fainting couch, oh DramaQueen GM.
Dumpster Divin Theo
Mad props to Dream GM for being self aware enough to deescalate within the same thread. Wish more posters had the capacity to check themselves.
Jordan 5
Great pick up for the Padres. They have stunned everyone this year with all of their pick s and they still are sitting in 3rd.
dawgpound95
They’re trying way to hard
Buccrazy
I said earlier the return would be worse than everyone would have expected. Guy is an above average player playing over his head for 2/3rds a season, but nothing special. He will be valuable to the padres because of his versatility. He was of no use in pittsburgh since he is a FA in 23 and they will not compete before that.
Dumpster Divin Theo
This. Pirates fan base get it.
Wheeler Dealer
Can’t believe the Pirates couldn’t do better than that, Preller got them
Dumpster Divin Theo
Got them how?
Buccrazy
Something else. I knew this chicken s–t franchise was going to trade him before they came home on Tuesday. Tomorrow was the real deadline for a deal.
gbs42
July 30 is the real deadline for a deal.
mgomrjsurf
It gives Pirates more days to try and trade other guys.
Buccrazy
They knew that the fans would react poorly even though it needed to be done is what I’m saying if he was traded in the 8th inning tuesday night at home. Anderson will get traded too, but no one will care about him as he is mediocre anyways and only here a few months (came to get traded somewhere better in all reality).
Deleted_User
Not a bad player and didn’t give up anyone I’ll miss but I don’t see the fit. Rather they go after Max Scherzer or Jon Gray.
99socalfrc
Maybe they use him next year to replace Pham??? I don’t really get it either. Offense looks like it’s good enough. Need pitching.
Deleted_User
@99socalfrc he’s primarily a 2B right? They already have Jake Cronenworth there.
Buccrazy
no, prior to this season and last, he played corner outfield quite a bit for the bucs.
gbs42
Everyone would rather have Scherzer, but he would cost a lot more in prospects – if he is even available. And who knows if the Rockies will trade Gray, especially within the division.
99socalfrc
There are lots of pitchers available besides Scherzer. Hell they could probably call the Cubs and get Davies back for the rest of 2021.
Deleted_User
@gbs42 No, Scherzer will not cost more in prospects. He turns 37 years old on Tuesday and is a free agent at the end of the season. And the Rockies would be stupid not to trade Gray within the division if that’s where the best offer comes from. An in-division trade for Gray would hurt the other team a lot more because they would be the ones giving up long-term pieces and then having to face those long-term pieces on a division rival for potentially the next decade whereas the Rockies only have to face Gray on a division rival for 2 months where they aren’t contending anyway.
And the Nats and Rockies both basically have to trade Scherzer and Gray.
Dorothy_Mantooth
I wonder if Preller will try to find someone to take on the Kim contact. So far, the Kim signing has been a disaster but if the Pad’s agree to eat 50% of it, Kim to Miami or another small market team (like Oakland) could make some sense. I’d expect the Pads to add more pitching and Kim could be a piece of any such deal. The kid still has serious upside but he has no place to play in SD, especially after adding Frazier.
99socalfrc
Kim
Myers
Hosmer
Profar
He has a pretty long list of contracts no one wants.
MikeD26
Can they send him to AAA?
CNichols
Kim? Yeah per his contract they can demote him, he just makes the same regardless of whether he’s in SD or El Paso. That said, he’s among their better bench options still so it really makes no sense for them to do so right now. They’ll probably option O’Grady to make room on the 26 man. At some point they need to do something with Mateo too, he just can’t hit.
Kim has been great defensively all across the IF, but the bat has really been lagging, especially against higher velo since they throw much slower on average in the KBO. He has looked a little better offensively as of late, so hopefully he’s on the upswing and just needs more adjustment time.
MikeD26
I mentioned AAA as an option just so he has his regular at bats, I really like him and is too early to think he won’t be any good.
Dorothy_Mantooth
Well here’s the thing. The Pads have Machado, Tatis & Croenworth along with an elite SS prospect in Abrams. Which one of these guys sit in order for Kim to get regular playing time over the next year or two? Maybe they plan on Kim being a super utility guy but that’s a large chunk of change to pay for that position. With the Frazier acquisition, Kim’s playing time will be further reduced this season so I think they should consider moving Kim if they believe Abrams is the real deal. If not, trade Abrams for a stud SP and go for the title this season.
MikeD26
Regular at bats in the minors until he gets use to US pitching, I really think he needs that
Gwynning
Yes, he has 3 options.
Deleted_User
Don’t know if this is true but I heard when we signed Kim that he got a “no-minors clause.”
Gwynning
He did say he would go down if the team needs him to. Doubt he ever sees the Minors, just fyi. He is learning just fine and brings Gold Glove caliber D. Kim is a wonderful bench piece to have.
JoeBrady
Dorothy_Mantooth
The kid still has serious upside but he has no place to play in SD,
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The issue, as I mentioned at the time, is that Kim never had a position to play. They already had four infielders that weren’t going to sit. Four OFs. And Mateo has the UIF/#5 OF.
To me, it’s a bit like Gonzalez on the RS. Except his pay is much higher.
Monkey’s Uncle
I’ll be interested to see if the Pirates try to plug Marcano in at second right away or let him keep playing at AAA. There certainly isn’t any need to rush the kid, the Bucs aren’t going anywhere anytime soon.
Gwynning's Anal Lover
What about Gordon?
Monkey’s Uncle
He could be a possibility for the short term. Or Difo I suppose.
Dumpster Divin Theo
Gordon Beckham?
BrewersMVP08
Maybe another starter for the Padres cuz Snell sucks
MikeD26
I guess he is a better hitter than Hoz against LHP, so it makes a lot of sense, Myers plays 1B against LHP, they also needed that (a pure hitter a guy who can get on base in front of tatis and the others) the bench got better too, now just get Scherzer.
muskie73
Will some team take a chance on San Diego infielder Ha-Seong Kim if the Padres deem Kim expendable now?
jdgoat
That’s what I’m wondering. The Padres seem like they have an extra 10 roster spots compared to every other team when they keep adding like this. One of their recent additions whose making a bit of money has to be on their way out, a bench of Hosmer, Profar, Kim etc. Would be pretty damn pricy to have.
I Beg To Differ
Doubt they bench Hosmer. They’ll bench him against lefty starters. Possibly moving Myers to 1st and putting Frazier in the OF.
Kim at 7 mill a year and Profar at 3.5 this year, 6.5 ans 7.5 isn’t that expensive of a bench.
MLGraham
Meyers isn’t playing first, hasn’t been in the infield since 2018, and there’s a surplus of guys that can play first, including Frazier if they really wanted it that way. Profar has been the third string 1B after cronenworth and has been playing well lately, offensively and defensively in outfield or infield. Would be more likely to give him more at bats over Meyers or Hoz
I Beg To Differ
Doubt they’ll bench Hosmer.
If they do bench him it will be against left handed starters as they have been lately. Now with Frazier in the fold they can shift Myers to 1st against lefty starters, keep cronenworth at 2b, and put Frazier or Profar in the OF on those days.
Before the Padres didn’t have the luxury of moving guys around. Now they have the luxury of mixing and matching to get bats in the lineup and put out the best defensive alignment they can against lefties.
99socalfrc
If Preller takes on enough money he has to win something eventually right?
Sounds like we’ve reached a point where Hosmer will get paid $59m over the next 4 years to pinch hit???
Hudson6
Frazier will be their LF next year.
CNichols
He took on virtually no money in this deal, so this comment is odd. Pirates are sending $1.4M with Frazier which means the Pads are basically paying Frazier league minimum for the remainder of the year.
I guess they’ll have to pay an arbitration raise next year, but they have other money coming off the books then, like Pham for example, then so this is a payroll neutral move in the short term and I don’t really get your point.
99socalfrc
They still have to pay Frazier next year. For the same $5-6m you could just resign Pham. They’ve waited on Pham for a year and half to get going, he finally seems to have found it and now they’ve basically committed to replacing him in 2022 with a guy who has half a good season and no power.
Preller FTW!
Hudson6
Pham is making $9 million this year and will be making noticeably more next year. So yes, this saves them money. Getting the current MLB leader in hits is always a plus.
Samuel
“…..so the $1.4MM sent from Pittsburgh will cover most of his remaining salary for 2021, which helps the Padres stay under the $210MM luxury tax threshold.”
What’s this say about future move this year (and next)?
They don’t want to go over the tax threshold? Other trades need to be revenue neutral? There are no other trades coming?
VTGiant
This is a KILLER move for The Fathers and it doesn’t seem like they gave up very much.
Zaidi needs to respond to this move with a STRONG acquisition!
99socalfrc
Maybe he will just check the standings and roll with it?
1984wasntamanual
I won’t be surprised if they add, but yeah, ML GMs do not act with that type of garbage baseball blog type mentality.
VTGiant
Giants need a right handed bat BADLY… and a solid 3rd or 4th starter, especially the way Gausman has pitched two games in a row.
DocBB
Pirates got a whole lotta nothing LOL. Typical Pirates!
VTGiant
Totally agree, let their best player go for near zip
KermitJagger
Best player? He’s having a great year but he’s not their best player. That would be Reynolds or Hayes. I’d even argue that Stallings is more valuable given his position.
Brew’88
I don’t see where this helps the Padres fill their needs unless they’re giving up on either Kim or Profar. If Frazier really an upgrade at 2nd if they chose to move Cron to 1st? Hosmer really isn’t so bad that they gain much there. Is Frazier really that much of an upgrade if he replaces Myers? I would take Myers combined stats over the past 2 years over Frazier.
The team desperately needs to stabilize it’s SP, and add another RP.
Frazier is having a nice year in terms of BA, but that’s an anomaly to his career. And he lacks pop and can’t run. What happens to Mateo now?
They gave up a lot, Marcano is MLB-ready. He handles the bat very well, and could easily match what Frazier has done in his career. Suwinski can rake, has at every level. I can see parting with those two if they filled a need, but I’m not seeing it here.
99socalfrc
Myers and Hosmer are both decent players just streaky. In reality the lineup is good enough to have those two in it and still go places.
Should be working double time to acquire pitching. Last year they got to the playoffs and no bullets to fire pitching wise.
1984wasntamanual
Hosmer has been a negative fWAR player 3 out of the last 4 seasons (only positive one being 2020). He’s really not decent. Agree they should be working on pitching, but I assume Preller is doing that also.
99socalfrc
Hosmer is no prize, he’s basically league average. Even still his track record is longer than Frazier, so it’s hard to say Frazier is a huge upgrade in the lineup.
1984wasntamanual
Hosmer is not league average. He’s below league average, by quite a bit.
Deleted_User
LOL Myers and Hosmer decent players! LOL!
Thanks, I needed a laugh…
Brew’88
@ Remove If you’re going to replace Hosmer or Myers, do it with an upgrade, not a career punch-n-Judy hitter who runs the base paths like he’s 53 years old is all I’m sayin, This trade makes no sense to me.
Monkey’s Uncle
You hit on why this trade could end up working out for the Pirates: Marcano. From what I am reading they badly wanted him back when they traded Musgrove to SD but the Padres wouldn’t include Marcano then. They are essentially banking on Marcano becoming at least as good as Frazier, and maybe also banking in this year being the anomaly for Frazier and that he will revert to being what he was before, an adequate to good everyday player. Plus, they get 2 lottery tickets thrown in with Suwinski and Miliano. I still feel like the Bucs could maybe have gotten more for Frazier, but I can understand where they might be coming from too.
Buccrazy
I actually think they probably maxed out because of the 1.4 million they threw to san diego. Don’t see that happening if anything else was as close.
Mendoza Line 215
Monkey-But how many times do lottery tickets win?
Very bad trade for Pittsburgh.
And how many middle infielders do you really need?
I would have told Preller Campusano or no one.
BeforeMcCourt
You’re upset with the trade but wanted Campusano instead? Lolol
In less than a year this will be another overpay from SD
Mendoza Line 215
BM-You could give a hoot about this trade.
You just want to bash the Padres any chance you get.
Lololol.
MatthewLVT17
Yeah the way I see it, Marcano wouldn’t have been a reasonable return for Frazier last year. So the pirates get a guy they think will be comparable and probably just as or more versatile as the guy who’s about to get paid
JoeBrady
Best post of the day. I think, imho, that they view Marcano as a replacement for Frazier, just cheaper and with a lot more years.
junkmale
Jack Suwinski’s Baseball Reference profile picture is my favorite thing of the afternoon.
mlb1225
Is this a picture for ants?!
jakethesnizake
Which of these are top
Prospects?
Mendoza Line 215
Jake-None.
billysbballz
Next up for the Pads, Giancarlo Stanton who will waive his no trade. Slot him in RF and Yanks eat 35 million. Padres send back one low level prospect with some upside. Win Win as long as Dodgers don’t win!
junkmale
Is “one low level prospect” Wil Myers’ new nickname?
jakethesnizake
I’ll take Myers for Stanton. Anything to get that dude off the books.
billysbballz
Yeah I’ll take Myers for Stanton also. Can’t stand watching him clog up the DH spot. He can still take but he needs to be out in RF and we have Judge so don’t need him.
RockLowDown
As a Padres fan , it was a bad move for our part . We should of gotten pitching! Not happy . Kimberl and a a new first baseman
MikeD26
Their bullpen is great they just need another good SP that can go deep, that bullpen specially with Lamet on it is the best in the national league, they needed a good hitter that can get on base and they got that now just get the other piece.
beersy
There is still time for Preller & Co. to get pitching.
csspackler
Honestly, I think Preller is just getting started. Don’t be surprised if it’s not just one but a couple of high profile pitchers.
PadresRocker
Whoever thinks the Padres are not going after starting pitching knows little about Preller. They should reach the playoffs this year. Some of that IL pitching will be available next season. For those who know how this GM rolls, there should be at least one starter coming to SD. Who’s going is unknown. Might be Paddack.
Hudson6
Preller is not going to trade a current MLB starter for another one. He will trade someone who is not currently on the 26 man roster.
beersy
If the pitcher they bring back is better than Paddack, let’s say Berrios, Paddack could easily be part of the deal. Not saying the Padres are in on Berrios, just using him as an example.
ChiSoxCity
As currently constructed, the White Sox are an average team in a bad division. Hoping Rick doesn’t hang his hat on a historic return out of Eloy to get to a WS, else we’re dogmeat in the playoffs.
revolver
The sox are the weakest of the playoff teams in my opinion, even with Eloy. They have been terrible vs. decent teams.
ASapsFables
The White Sox have been competing for most of the season with AAAA players replacing LF/DH Eloy Jimenez, (4 months), CF Luis Robert (3 months and counting), 2B Nick Madrigal (1 month and counting) and C Yasmani Grandal (3 weeks and counting). All but Madrigal are returning, well before the conclusion of the regular season and ahead of the playoffs. Their starting rotation is the deepest in the AL with a #6 wild card in Michael Kopech for insurance. The White Sox bullpen was also considered the AL’s deepest pen before the season began. They have underperformed, in part due to some injured relievers who are also on the mend.
To suggest that the White Sox will continue struggling versus winning teams in the second half and into October with most of their expected lineup back is asinine. Injuries may continue to be an issue but if they manage to achieve a reasonable semblance of good health the White Sox are clearly not the “weakest of the playoff teams”. At least wait until the July 30th trade deadline passes before making such a predictive comment.
Hudson6
Preller went out and got far and away the best pitcher available at the trade deadline last year: Clevinger. Should they do so again? No. They should get 1 or 2 #4 or #5 starters who can fill innings for cheap. No pitcher the Padres trade for right now would be a part of their playoff rotation outside of Berrios or Scherzer. Preller may ask about them but he won’t be trading his top prospects for either a rental or whatever ridiculous cost the Indians want for Berrios.
MyWhiteSoxAreDirty
Isn’t Berrios in Minnesota?
stymeedone
Germans, Pearl Harbor? Leave him alone. He’s on a roll.
MyWhiteSoxAreDirty
Hudson6
That is why Berrios is someone the Padres would have to TRADE FOR. You know, like it says right there.
mgomrjsurf
Berrois is on Twins and other Twins starters available. . Gibson available. Maybe Means,Harvey and so on. Hendricks if you give Cubs who they want, Also Diamondbacks/Rockies have guys available. Davies to.
MyWhiteSoxAreDirty
Escobar is still available for Chicago, or Story (doubtful)… Get it done Hahn!
mgomrjsurf
Cabrera to. Turner could be available 5o.
ASapsFables
Other pure rentals include Jonathan Schoop, Josh Harrison and my favorite, Javier Baez. If the White Sox don’t mind giving up some young ‘spare’ MLB talent and what’s left of their farm then Trea Turner with his extra year of control could be their top target as the deadline approaches.
Buccrazy
It probably went like this
BC: “I really like this Maracano kid, but we have to ship 1.4 million with Frazier to get him”
Bob Nutting “WHAT!!!!!” (even though that’s like one of us losing 10 dollars)
BGE
Gotta respect Padres going for it. They’re looking at the Dodgers with half a minor league team this path month still ahead in the Division. Let’s see if the Dodgers can get healthy finally
fox471 Dave
This does not make any sense. None. Cronenworth has done a great job and they are not going to sit Hosmer down. This is just buying to buy.
VonPurpleHayes
Frazier can play OF, a position where the Pads could afford an upgrade. Cronenworth will not be moved.
Sideline Redwine
He’s not an upgrade over Pham, and when Myers is on you leave him in the lineup.
Preller has made a lot if fancy acquisitions, but third place still. And they are not overtaking the Dodgers (or this year, the Giants).
I like SD and love to watch them, but they are a group of stars right now, not a great team.
stymeedone
Being able to play the OF is no guarantee that he will be an upgrade.
padreforlife
Maybe he plays OF
Buccrazy
He played a lot of outfield for the pirates before 2020. I suspect for a much better team, he will be playing some outfield to stay in the lineup.
hyraxwithaflamethrower
Good. Now pundits and White Sox fans can finally stop imagining dream scenarios of the Sox sending what few decent prospects they have to overpay for Frazier.
Dumpster Divin Theo
Yes. Thank you Rick Hahn for not caving to the meat heads.
ASapsFables
Now the White Sox will have a chance to “overpay” even more for some other 2B options who are suddenly available, have some positional versatility and are not pure rentals…just like Adam Frazier!
The Nationals Trea Turner would be top-dog followed by Whit Merrifield.
The irony with Turner and the White Sox would be the reversal of circumstances from the last time these two teams pulled off a major blockbuster. Following the 2016 season, the White Sox began a big sell-off to jump start their long overdue rebuild by trading Adam Eaton to the Nats for a trio of highly regarded young pitchers. Eaton became an important contributor to the Nationals 2019 championship team. Meanwhile, the White Sox are primed for their own championship run with help from the 3 prospects they acquired from Washington. Lucas Giolito is one of their ace SP’s, Dane Dunning helped acquire a second in Lance Lynn while a suddenly rejuvenated Reynaldo Lopez has a chance to contribute to an underperforming bullpen. Turner could be the final piece to garner a ring for the White Sox this season and/or next.
As for Merrifield, it would be ironically hilarious if the White Sox were able to land him from the division rival Royals. Merrifield was the ideal missing piece for the Cubs the past few seasons as their contention window began to close but apparently the Royals viewed him as an “untouchable” prior to this summer’s trade deadline. Merrifield might have given the Cubs and their inconsistent offense a better opportunity to duplicate their 2016 championship. He potentially could do the same for the White Sox over the next 3 seasons.
mlb1225
Seems a bit light, but that might just be recentcy bias talking. Gotta remember that from 2016 to 2020, Frazier was a league average hitter and only ever once put up an fWAR of at least 2 just one time. He’s been great offensively this year, and I think he’ll be solid down the line. But the underlying numbers show some regression. Now regression=/=bad player. Think he’ll still end up putting up a 110 wRC+ in SDP. Though teams know it’s not the brightest idea to bank on less than 500 plate appearances this season vs 1804 plate appearances from 2016-2020.
mlb1225
To be honest, the more I think and read about Marcano, I don’t think it’s as bad as people are making it out to be. Frazier was never going to bring back some sort of uber-prospect, and ever expecting so was foolish. Marcano has probably the best hand eye coordination and bat to ball skill in the entire minor leagues. He’s also starting to show some good walking ability, which all pairs well in the long term.
KermitJagger
Yeah, this isn’t a bad move. They hopefully replaced Frazier with a guy who could end up being our next super sub in the mold of Harrison or Frazier. Plus two prospects with some upside. It seems like a very fair deal to me.
BeforeMcCourt
So, let’s summarize
Pirates found a GM who saw the BA and said SHINY. Check
Padres make trades with top 5 prospect by trading players they considered untouchable just this offseason. Hey look also check
Deleted_User
Who that they gave up was ever considered untouchable?
BeforeMcCourt
It says in the write up they would not discuss Marcano in the trade discussions this offseason….
Deleted_User
Says they weren’t willing to trade him for Musgrove. Not that they weren’t willing to trade him period. If they were willing to move Patiño and Wilcox of course they were willing to move Marcano in the right trade.
damascusj
Marcano was never untouchable, and especially after seeing him suck it up earlier this year, he was definitely expendable
Monkey’s Uncle
Marcano is 21 and is only playing AAA for the first time this year. His struggling in a short major league cameo earlier this year indicates pretty much nothing about his future prospects.
KermitJagger
Yeah, he skipped a whole level, of course there were bound to be some struggles.
JoeBrady
I think the virtually perfect comp for him would be Luis Urias. Urias had a higher ranking, but was basically a skinny kid with good bat control, that played 2nd. It’s one of the reasons I like the trade for the Pirates. If Marcano becomes a 15-HR, .285 hitter, that is plenty valuable.
leftyleftylefty
I guess the pirates didn’t think Mercedes for Frazier straight up was a great deal.
MyWhiteSoxAreDirty
If only we lived in a simulation on MLB the show
Sideline Redwine
Meh. The dude had one good half year, and has played great thus far this year. Does that guarantee anything?
The Pads were “coming for” the LAD before the season, we all heard about it 24/7. And yet, they are in third place. And plz, nothing about injuries, every team faces them.
Raise yr hand if you think Frazier will be a difference maker in this division.
damascusj
You are delusional if you don’t think his bat will be a difference maker.
Frazier Tatis Cronenworth Machado grisham Pham Nola
A very imposing lineup, and the dodgers couldn’t handle them before the trade. As it looks right now, the padres and dodgers in. Alone game playoff, I’m taking the Padres
Franco27
Meh, I’ll take the Dodgers and Giants pitching. Darvish ERA over 5 last 7 games. A lot of mediocre in that rotation.
fred-3
The Padres didn’t face Buehler all those games against the Dodgers, though. He would start to wild card game and has been one of the best playoff pitchers since his rookie year
MatthewLVT17
A guy who gets on base as much as Frazier with Tatis & Co. hitting behind him should scare teams. 1 single player is rarely solely responsible for making a difference for a team (Cespedes for the Mets in 2015) but if they add an arm or two then yeah, that could be a big difference maker.
ChiSox_Fan
Hahn working on BP help trade.
They will also grab Escobar when he can pass a Sox medical exam.
I wonder who the Pirates asked for in a Sox trade for Frazier, considering the Pirates didn’t get much although there were 3 of them.
ChiSoxCity
Kopech or Crochet, most likely.
Franco27
You need pitching Padres. You can’t win with current starters.
Gwynning's Anal Lover
I wish the Pirates didn’t take a bunch of guys who are all Rule V eligible. They already have 18 or so of them they need to protect.
Dogham
Wait, that’s all it took to get Frazier? Marcano and two guys not even in the top 30? AND the Pirates sent back $1.4m??
szielinski
A shameful trade by the Pirates. The Pirates trade their best trade chip for three players who are inferior versions of players the team has in its system. To add to the pain, the Pirates send cash to the Padres!
Pirates fans can now only hope that the team’s scouts saw something in these players.
Brew’88
I think the Pirates got more for Frazier than the Cubs did for Yu.
1984wasntamanual
Fangraphs would disagree with you.
JoeBrady
Correction needed. ‘Everyone’ would disagree with him. I liked the trade for the Cubs, while still understanding the Padres position. I like it more for the Cubs now. Darvish has been better than Davies, but Davies has been a lot better since the start of May.
And the Cubs are probably going to trade Davies for two more good young, yet-to-be-rated prospects.
Right now, the Cubs are all smiles over that trade.
Brew’88
Leaving Darvish/Caratini and Davies out of the equation (which favors the Pads mightily) I like Marcano and Suwinski over the prospects sent to Cubs. A lot of folks are high on Marcano, certainly I’m not alone in that opinion, but it’s just an opinion. Only time will tell.
revolver
You might want to reconsider that Brewers 88. That deal is not looking as lopsided as it once did.
YourDreamGM
Cubs got 2 players that are comparable to this trades headliner. Unloaded 60 million. 2 other prospects. And whatever they can get for davies.
ChiSox_Fan
Pitt could have done better had they taken Heuer and Mercedes plus another prospect
MyWhiteSoxAreDirty
Nobody is going to take the headcase that is Yermin Mercedes…
revolver
Isn’t Mercedes eligible for social security?
BeforeMcCourt
A 28 year old who just made it to the majors for the first time, had a great month, then sucked so bad the next 2 he quit baseball only to come back the next day
Not much value there buddy
I Beg To Differ
Good thing you aren’t a gm. You’d trade an asset for a guy that just stepped away from baseball?
ChiSox_Fan
He had a bad day.
Was back with Charlotte hitting a HR the next day.
MJ quit the Bulls and came back!
MyWhiteSoxAreDirty
MJ had an excuse, his dad was murdered, that’s enough to make anyone do crazy things…
Or if you’re into conspiracy theories, rumor was that he was facing a gambling related suspension, so he got ahead of it by “retiring” for a year
Stashu
The pirates fans are the biggest joke , its a shame they have a useless onwer making a mockery of the city that built him a new stadium. That’s the ONLY reason Pittsburgh still has a team . MLB should force him to sell , so they can put out team better than double AA
kwolf68
Why are Pirates fans a joke?
kwolf68
Why are Pirates fans a joke? The Pirates have had a team since the Roosevelt administration. You are the one who looks like a joke
Hudson6
The Padres regular infield will now be made up entirely of all-stars. That lineup looks pretty good!
mlb.com/news/adam-frazier-padres-trade
66TheNumberOfTheBest
“At worst, Marcano seems like he’ll have a future as a utilityman, and he could well become a regular due to his excellent contact skills at the plate. Marcano does lack some power, and while he possesses plus speed, BA’s scouting report notes that he will need to improve his baserunning instincts.”
That could have been copied and pasted from Adam Frazier’s scouting report a few years back.
bucsfan
It seems like Cherington found the next Frazier and have him for 6 years instead of 1 1/2. Plus the OF injects some more power into a system that has hardly any. Not thrilled with the trade return, but it could have been worse. Huge 40 man roster crunch coming though with the Rule 5 draft.
Deleted_User
@bucfan This trade doesn’t help their roster crunch considering Marcano is already on the 40-man roster and the other 2 players the PIrates got will be Rule 5 eligible this offseason if not added.
bucsfan
Yeah I know, wasn’t clear above but that was the point of the comment. Lot of decisions to be made on who to protect/expose in the off-season. Getting to the point where the Bucs need to acquire very young prospects or load up on international bonus pool money again. Other option would be to package guys they don’t see a future in with their remaining chips to try and upgrade the return a bit. Cole Tucker comes to mind—someone might think they can get something out of him as a throw in to a larger deal centered on Rodriguez, Kuhl, etc
Deleted_User
At least he’s better than Jackson Profile
Brew’88
Profar is more complete, more power, 20 SB guy. Switch hitter. Frazier can’t run, no power. Career 275 hitter but so is Hosmer
dsctlc
Suwinski drafted by the Padres, not the Pirates.
sergefunction
The problem with too many of Preller’s good deals is that the main target drops down in production starting Day 1. Injuries as well have ruined several promising trades, The trend is such that Frazier’s production may plummet. One admire’s Preller’s guts to continue at the quest like this.
Not to mention that his boss is very willing to pay all prices for Preller’s whims here, which remains a stunner. As a cancer survivor multiple times, great tenacity must be a trait.
If Marcano ever grows into his body, he’ll be a good Pirate player until he is traded for prospects in 2027. His eye at the plate is terrific. He has a chance.
KCJ
I certainly could be wrong, but that sure sounds like a horrible return for the Pirates, especially considering how many teams seemed to be in on this guy and how early before the trade deadline it occurred. Guess there’s a reason the Pirates have sucked for most of my life….and I’m 50
Big Red Machine
I just want to take a moment to respect just how good and thorough MLBTRs writing is. A+
MikeD26
English might not be the first language of many baseball fans, I guess someone understood what I meant because they even liked my comment.
Deleted_User
Baseball Trade Values says the Padres win this one
Brew’88
But the real question is did they fill a need. I’m not so sure.
damascusj
They did, Frazier plays many positions, and if he’s playing second, crone can play first. Plus the fact Pitt gave em money opens the door for another move
Brew’88
Can Frazier pitch?
damascusj
Because of the cash thrown in with Frazier, we essentially got him for free this year in a cash sense. So we can still easily pick up a starter without taking a huge hit to the bank
Brew’88
Yes but Marcano was their best trade piece to get a SP
MikeD26
Ofcourse, they needed a guy who gets on base in front of tatis and the others, and plays multiple positions, it also makes the bench stronger.
Rsox
Dodgers run has to end sooner or later and maybe this is the year. Mookie is out, Seager is out, Kershaw is out. Bauer is in limbo and is a highly paid non-factor. Jansen is starting to blow games. Bellinger literally couldn’t make contact with an oar right now. The Braves run ended, the Yankees run ended, so too will the Dodgers
BeforeMcCourt
If you’re dumb enough to think they’re magically going to suck at baseball, just keep swimming
Fangraphs has the dodgers at 67% odds to win NLW. Padres 13%. Guess they missed the boat too
Rsox
All good things end sooner or later sir
FloridaSportsGuy
@Before I guess the season should just be called, then, since FG currently says SD won’t be winning the division.
Shrutefarm
Seems like a lateral move.
Deleted_User
No, Tucu Marcano will not immediately come up and hit over .300
Deleted_User
My source within the Padres organization says the Padres and the Nats are close to a deal that would send Luis Campusano to the Nats and Max Scherzer to the Padres, likely with other, smaller pieces moving in both directions.
Dumpster Divin Theo
This. Like going to the dollar store and finding a receipt for like $40 weeks later for things you don’t remember actually using.
BravesSteelersCle
I think the Padres won this trade big time. They get Frazier this year(for no salary) and next year for 1 decent player and a couple of what looks like throw-ins. I can’t say I know a lot about them but from what I pulled up I don’t get it.
Luke Strong
Huge get for the Padres, even if the Pirates catch a jackpot on one of the prospects, the Padres had to pick Frazier up, he’s one of the best contact hitters in the league.
Thomas James
Cool. The Brewers have six games coming up with the Pirates. Great timing!!!
txman22
How does SD get a player like Frazier who they don’t really need. Watched Frazier single the Mets to death over 7 games & they couldn’t try to deal for another “Met Killer.” Although he’s 1 of few met killers who only hit over 300 against them.
jtkuch
He’s hitting .324 against the entire league, it’s not all about your Mets. If they wanted him so bad they would’ve put forth a better offer, which wouldn’t have been too hard for them.
bucsfan0004
I once saw Marcano try to throw a ball to a kid in the stands – missed him by about 50 feet.
Mynameisnoname
Extremely overrated profile. An improvement over Hosmer (although very similar xmetrics) and the cost wasnt extreme so it’s a net positive for the Padres, but this move simply doesnt move the needle or merit the attention of say the Cruz deal.
Kansas_City
Buying high on Frazier..
Has Preller ever explained the Hosmer contract?
padreforlife
Explained ha. Has he explained 82 mil for Myers? 35 for Kim? 21 for Profar? Terrible trades Nola trade etc
bobtillman
Again, it’s worth chuckling over the fact that if this trade happened 20 years ago, before BA and the mlb pipeline and Fangraphics filled the info-sphere, SD fans would be kissing Preller’s butt for acquiring the #1 hitter in the NL (average wise) for 3 minor leaguers. And Pirate fans would be looking to lynch Cherrington from the Jolly Roger (“THAT’S ALL THEY GOT????)
There’s no doubt that for many reasons (many legitimate). BC was going to move Frazier. I’m sure (Ben’s a bright guy) he took the best deal available. The metric is always not whether the deal is “fair”; it’s the “best return that was offered”.
The return seems short to me; none of the prospects is exceptional, and while Frazier isn’t either, he’s a pretty good player. And he’s legitimately versatile. And he’s cheap.
padresfan111323
Why? Marcano was maybe their top trade chip, and they waste him on a depth piece
JoeBrady
That’s the way I read it. If you had no 2B, then maybe Frazier makes some sense. I think Marcano + 2 lottos is a bit expensive, but okay. But, if they are looking for a spot for him to play, then it seems like a lot.
Even if he was a platoon for Hosmer, I’d like it a bit more. But Hosmer, Cronenworth, and Frazier are all lefties. He can play the OF, but Myers, Grisham and Pham are fine as they are. And Profar, as their #4, seems ‘okay, and since he is a SH, where does Frazier fit?
I think you are spot-on correct. Why use a good trade assets for Frazier, when he could be a legit piece for a higher-value target, like Scherzer?
Macbeth3737
Really wish they would have gotten Hassell for Frazier straight up or with the Pirates kicking more money in, or adding a bullpen arm to the deal. OR Going for Lange instead of any of the three we got.
Tuc seems to be a level replacement for Frazier as a pure contact only hitter with decent speed but no real skill at stealing bases. Also a bit light at 170 for a 6 foot tall frame hopefully he can put on 15 pounds and get a little more pop.
Suwinski at best might be a Joc Pederson type at his peak.
Miliano if his control settles he could be a closer but he is far from doing so looking at his walk rates.
A depth move for the system mostly and I am OK with it, just not curious if he would have been able to get Lange or Hassell if they kicked in more and took less total players.
Brew’88
Lange and Hassell are far more valuable to Pads as future Pads than Marcano, they won’t easily part with them. As nice a contact hitter as Frazier has been (this year), that’s about all he offers. No SB or HR. Hosmer has more SB prowess, which says a lot.
Macbeth3737
I don’t disagree. Frazier has been above average defensively at 2B and also offers some flexibility being able to play OF as well. This trade reminds me a lot of the opposite of what happened with Freddy Sanchez who was traded by the previous regime. Freddy was traded straight up for Tim Alderson who was a top 100 prospect and never panned out.
This trade is more players 1 headliner being Tuc and two other fliers. I didn’t trust Neal’s eye for talent in most trades but I was really hopeful for Alderson. I trust Ben’s eye for talent and I am hoping to be pleasantly surprised with this return.
I think Tuc if he put on some weight could play up but how far up can he play is up for debate but a kid who can play 2B, SS, 3B, RF, LF is going to get his opportunity come September for call ups and the Pirates OF prospects prior to acquiring Tuc are not inspiring with Swaggerty being the only one of note and he has fallen quite far.
joew
Frazier as always been a contact hitter and it has done well at it his whole career. also a gold glove candidate 2nd basemen. the past couple years. before that he was super-utility.
He is a typical lead off guy. don’t let the few SB’s fool you. he is quick he just doesn’t steal. Not stealing isn’t a bad thing. Unless you are Ricky Henderson anyway. Having someone get thrown out at second and then the batter hits a HR is not fun.
You want a guy putting the ball in play and going from first to home on a double with a gold glove quality defense up the middle…. he is your guy.
Robertowannabe
Considering Frazier is exactly what you described him as and the return included one player who is 8 years younger than Frazier and fits the same profile as Frazier, the Bucs got what they should have received for Frazier. He was not going bring back anything else., No other team must have been offering this much. It is what it is and the Bucs add 3 more talented kids to the mix to keep adding to the players that they have. The more kids that have some talent that you have, you will have the opportunity to trade some of the surplus for MLB pieces that you need as the rebuild progresses.
Macbeth3737
Ben has done an excellent job rebuilding the lower minors and this trade I think goes to help AA and the AAA team to start to bolster those ranks a bit until guys like Gonzales, Davis, and others come along.
I am glad we are getting some power back in the system with the OF that is also coming in. I really hope Tuc puts on some weight because I think that could end up really helping him out a lot. Frazier is 2 inches shorter and 15 pounds heavier, although much older.
Ben has a great eye for talent, I mean Roansy Contreras came into the PIrates system in the 20’s for the team’s prospects but figures to move up into the top 10, and break into the top 100 overall within just one year. Hopefully Ben is able to catch lightning with the other two.
joew
cautiously optimistic. Marcano doesn’t have the power we want to pull in the outfield and the middle infield is stacked. Ben goes for best talent and clearly he wanted him.. Suggests to me they may put him in center (i’m guessing he looks fast. He also looks like he could be an adam frazier type.once he adjusts to mlb play.
Suwinski developed some power. Pirates need that so if it works it will work well.
Miliano seems like he may be a top end reliever if he can get the walks under control. hes got time but..
Talent coming back does not impress but not unreasonable though i think they could have gotten ‘more’ with some other team. With sending 1.4m with Adam I’d expect something more. But with all the higher profile trades that Ben has made and generally havent seemed bad so far… so …
KermitJagger
I’m going to trust BC on this one as he seems to have done very well at evaluating talent in trades so far. Frazier probably nets just the two lotto tickets, without Marcano, before this season. And given that the Pirates wanted him in the Musgrove trade (when he was at the time just an A ball prospect) makes me think they see great potential.
JoeBrady
Good take. I wonder how many people hated the Reynolds trade, when the Giants robbed the Pirates of McCutchen?
Mendoza Line 215
Not many Joe.Cutch had to go because they could not afford $50 M for him.
He is still a decent player but not worth the money.
As most free agents aren’t.
joew
not happy with it. really still not happy with it but the results turned out pretty good for the Pirates.
Reasoning, Cutch is a Pittsburgh player.
citizen
Exactly one padre in the majors on the 2021 roster was drafted. The rest were trades or free agents. Its the reverse of the early 80s padres where a lot of high quality players were drafted i.e. Ozzie smith & Fred mcgriff but not extended or resigned, just traded. I don’t blame the padres since they have been terrible for years.
PadresRocker
AJ has said many times that prospects are trade-able “currency”. They draft, now try holding the topper most talent, and look to trade and restock, trade and restock.
OldSaltUSNR
Well, I read probably a hundred 19 hour old comments. Sometimes it’s interesting stuff, and sometimes, just “meh”. Anyhow, here’s my take:
1) All the confusion about where Frazier plays, does Hosmer, Profar, etc. have less playing time, or even get moved, misses one name: Mateo. He still shows promise, but he’s out of options and isn’t getting it done with his bat. Replacing IF/OF Mateo with blazing speed and no bat, with a hit machine Frazer, and the rest of the roster’s near blazing speed, is a no -brainer.
2) If the Pads can deal Hosmer, they will. At this point, they need to salary relief. The same thing could be said about Myers, except that he’s (mostly) earning his salary now, and his $80M salary is down to something like $20m (or $40M, whatever), by next year.
3) San Francisco is facing an uphill schedule against competitive teams. On the other hand, the Padres played more games than any other team, with fewer off days, and the Pads played competitive teams for the most part. Aside from their brutal schedule, the Pads have overcome other challenges, e.g. five starters off for 10 days with fake COVID for “contact tracing” (while Pads reserves went 9-1). Now the Padres have more off days, and less competition during their remaining schedule. The Dodger’s depth is being tested. Their starting pitching losses (IL) alone would end the season for most teams. However, the Dodgers remain competitive throughout. Finally, these three “best-in-baseball” teams play each other over a dozen times – a whole lot, in the next 60 games.
So, NO ONE “owns” the NL West, this year. Eight past seasons are simply history. If you want to simply talk franchise excellence, the Cardinals, or even Tampa Bay may have more bragging rights than the Dodgers. This year, the NL West division is a free-for-all. The stats should favor the healthiest team, period. The Giants may not get crushed during the next 60 days (per their schedule), but they should lose a bit more. Then again, what happens at the trade deadline? The Dodgers probably have the best ability to trade or pay for talent. Preller’s never out of any deal. The Giant’s are probably most constrained, as far as trade deadline deals are concerned. Both the Dodgers and Padres have starting pitching problems, but Giant’s pitching has been over their skis, i.e. just doesn’t seem sustainable.
All the smack talking I hear here are either homers, fans talking like juveniles (maybe they are, heck, I don’t know), and who are usually short on the specifics that matter. It’s the old saw of “… that’s why they play the games”. As a Padres fan, this is gonna be some fun baseball, no matter who gets the division. Hope Preller can land us another pitcher (who, by the way, will be filling in where the name “Gore” should be, i.e. he may be a bust). Cheers to the Giants & Dodgers fans here, and good luck!
Deleted_User
LOL Myers earning his salary now! LOL! ROFLOL! ROTFLMAO!
OldSaltUSNR
Oh, so you think that trading away Myers would be better for the Padres than trading Hosmer? That’s the comp.
Be an adult. Make your case. “ROTFLMAO” is the logic of a junior high kid.
Deleted_User
“Oh, so you think that trading away Myers would be better for the Padres than trading Hosmer?”
I never said that.
OldSaltUSNR
One more thing about “Preller’s stripping the farm”, and the repeated saw about “Padres farm system is weak after the top 4 prospects”. Padres fans remember recent history. Understandably, other teams fans have little knowledge of Padres history, other than they’ve lost for years. Preller DID “strip the farm” in 2014-2015. The back story was that he had little confidence despite the high farm system ranking, in the Padres prospects. Most were low ceiling, high floor prospects, i.e. they looked good on paper, but few would make an impact in the majors. For the most part, his evaluation was accurate, based on the history of the Padres prospects traded away during that time.
However, Padres fans remember that Preller converted the haul he got from those prospects into the strongest, “high ceiling, high floor” farm system in the MLB. Again, he did that within only a couple of years. Since then, Preller’s overhauled Padres operations and scouting, and they’ve consistently drafted well, both internationally and at home. For all of his misses, his “hits” have been of the Tatis variety, i.e. franchise level, high impact players. Who saw Cronenworth coming? If he did it before, he can do it again.
Third, concerning money. The Padres ownership inherited a tsunami of debt left by Moores and Moorad. Ron Fowler admitted in 2020, that they had just reached “out of debt”, which factored into the half decade long rebuild. The salary level that Peter Seidler has authorized was in the long term plans. The Padres don’t have the $BILLION-plus Dodgers revenue stream, but they are healthy financially. Which means, there won’t be any “fire sales” in the immediate future.
Which leads, finally, to fourth: The nucleus of impact ball players that the Padres have put together is going to be with the club for 5 years or more. They don’t NEED the level of prospects and prospect development, that they did when Preller started from ground zero, in 2014. Nope, not all is rosy. If Gore doesn’t become something close to what the Padres expected, there aren’t any blue chip starting pitching prospects in the pipeline. Doesn’t mean that there won’t be soon, just not right now. However, the Padres are in good shape overall. They may win it all this year, but they’ll never be out of it, not this year or next, and that’s all that ownership and Preller ever promised.
One last teaser, just for fun: If the Padres are going to land top level starting pitching over the next four days, they’ll probably have to trade away major league level talent. With the addition of Frazier, many have speculated on a deal involving Hosmer. That might serve as salary relief, but it won’t get the Padres their starter. Think “Cronenworth”. It would be a huge price to pay (and if opposing fans don’t understand that, look at his stats again). He’s a major league capable SHORT STOP and hitting machine. He’s the most valuable chip the Padres have on the 26 man roster. He could pull in a Scherzer, if available (i.e. in come combination deal). I’d hate it more than I love it, because my hope has been that the Pads extend both Cronenworth and Grisham for decade long contracts. However, I’d understand the move. What makes me doubt this, is both Gore and Clevenger in the wings. I don’t see Preller sacrificing Cronenworth for a short term benefit, when Padres pitching should be sound, long term.
Deleted_User
Holy run-on Batman!
OldSaltUSNR
What, are you a troll? Just hit and run? Never respond?
Deleted_User
You need to learn more about baseball kid.
OldSaltUSNR
So, “Mr. Troll” it is.
Particularly with that ImSoImportantLookAtMe user name of yours. Looking up through your obnoxious posts on this thread …
… yup, immature troll you are.
Deleted_User
Look in the mirror. And learn about baseball.
Darryl Rose
I’m a Yankees fan. We suck … You may have heard. Lol. I love what the Padres are doing. Super aggressive run this season and fun team to watch. I would love to see them win it all. Gotta love the Dodgers as well. Super, highly successful organization. Giants absolutely came out of nowhere. Let’s see if they can sustain it.
OldSaltUSNR
Yeah, I feel that way as well As a Pads fan, I hate those stinkin’ Dodgers, and the Giant’s almost as much, as well. As a ADULT baseball fan, I’ve got nothing but respect for those two organizations, and what their teams are doing this year.
As for the Yankees, they may suck this year, but at least they “suck” with class. 🙂