JULY 9: There’s currently little traction between the Mets and Twins in discussions regarding either Donaldson or right-hander Jose Berrios, writes Dan Hayes of the Athletic.
JULY 4: While the Mets are expected to pursue upgrades in advance of the deadline, a Donaldson trade is not under consideration at this time, hears Jon Heyman of MLB Network (Twitter link). Martino, however, reiterates that the Mets continue to contemplate a potential Donaldson acquisition.
JULY 2: The Mets are targeting third base upgrades as the deadline approaches, and while many of their fans are likely hoping Kris Bryant becomes available, they’re understandably exploring every avenue. SNY’s Andy Martino writes today that the Mets have approached the Twins and “engaged in very preliminary talks” regarding Josh Donaldson.
As always, it’s worth noting that teams inquire on a wide variety of targets every year at the trade deadline and in the offseason, but preliminary talks don’t necessarily portend serious negotiations. Donaldson is in the second season of a four-year, $92MM contract signed in the 2019-20 offseason, so he’d make for an expensive acquisition for the Mets or any other club. As Martino points out, the Donaldson contract would push the Mets beyond the luxury-tax barrier, though owner Steve Cohen hasn’t been shy about his willingness to cross that threshold.
Roster Resource’s Jason Martinez currently has the Mets at about $13.5MM shy of the $210MM luxury barrier. Donaldson’s $23MM annual value — the luxury tax is based on contracts’ average annual value — would bring the Mets about $9.5MM north of the tax line. However, as a first-time offender, their penalty would be rather minimal: a 20-percent tax on the first $20MM by which they exceed the barrier, a 32 percent tax on the next $20MM and a 62.5 percent tax on anything thereafter. (Obviously, at this point in the season, it’s overwhelmingly unlikely that the Mets would take on so much salary that they’d cross the barrier by $40MM or more.)
The penalty on Donaldson alone would, in theory, be about $1.9MM. That’s not prohibitive in and of itself, necessarily, and even if the Mets were to make subsequent additions and cross the tax line by, say, $20MM, they’d still only be paying $4MM in penalties. The greater concern could be that under the current system, penalties increase in the second and third consecutive seasons of crossing the tax line. Taking on Donaldson — or any other players who bring them north of the line, Bryant included — would set the Mets up for stiffer penalties in 2022 and perhaps in 2023. Of course, that assumes the current luxury-tax system will remain in place with the next collective bargaining agreement, and with the current CBA set to expire Dec. 1, we can’t know that to be the case.
Turning to the player himself, Donaldson has been somewhat of a lightning rod in recent weeks (and at various other points in his career) for his outspokenness about pitchers’ usage of foreign substances. The slugger called out Yankees ace Gerrit Cole and pointed to his spin-rate drops following the league’s implementation of umpire checks, and he drew the ire of the White Sox and their fanbase for shouting “It’s not sticky anymore!” after belting a home run against Lucas Giolito this week.
Being outspoken is nothing new for Donaldson, of course, nor is the productive stretch in which he currently finds himself. The 35-year-old went down with a hamstring injury in the first game of the season for the Twins, but he’s been healthy since and has been on a tear at the plate for the past month. Donaldson is hitting .250/.345/.486 with 13 home runs overall, but he’s been on absolute fire since Memorial Day weekend, slashing .291/.383/.646 with eight homers and four doubles in his past 94 plate appearances. From a defensive standpoint, he’s not posting the elite marks that he has in recent years, but he’s been about average at the hot corner in the estimation of most metrics (-1 Defensive Runs Saved, -1 Ultimate Zone Rating, +1 Outs Above Average).
Donaldson’s contract pays him $21MM in 2021, 2022 and 2023, and he’s also owed at least the $8MM buyout of a $16MM club option for the 2024 campaign. We’re at the halfway point of the 186-game regular season today, so as of this moment, Donaldson is owed $10.5MM more on this year’s salary. Notably, his contract does include limited no-trade protection, though it’s not yet clear whether the Mets are on that list.
For the Mets, third base has been an issue all season long, due largely to injuries. J.D. Davis opened the year as the top option at the hot corner, and he posted a mammoth .390/.479/.610 slash in 48 plate appearances through his first 14 games. However, Davis is a sub-par defensive option there and drew some criticism for some key miscues (three errors in 94 innings) before going down to a hand/finger injury from which he’s yet to return. Jonathan Villar, Luis Guillorme, Brandon Drury, Jose Peraza, Jeff McNeil and even backup catcher Tomas Nido (for two innings) have all been part of the Mets’ third base carousel this season.
Donaldson would, of course, help to stabilize that roller coaster — provided he can remain healthy. He’s been on the injured list in three of the past four seasons, owing primarily to calf injuries. He did stay healthy for the duration of the 2019 season with the Braves, however, and Donaldson’s early trip to the injured list in 2021 wound up lasting just 11 days.
It’s been a miserable season for the Twins, who opened the year as expected contenders but instead find themselves at 33-46 — fresh off a sweep at the hands of the AL Central-leading White Sox. With the Twins now 14.5 games back from the division lead and 13 games out of an American League Wild Card spot, they look increasingly likely to be deadline sellers. Donaldson’s contract probably makes him too costly for most teams to consider, but the deep-pocketed Mets are at least a plausible suitor in a potential swap.
its_happening
The buyout after 2023 is a biggie that teams might want the Twins to cover.
sportsguy033
I would imagine any deal would involve the twins eating some of Donaldsons deal but I can’t imagine the buyout being a real point of contention. If someone is willing to take on his 56.5 million owed over the next two and a half seasons the 8 million is barely more.
But I’d imagine the twins would have to eat about 20 percent of his remaining deal and take back prospects that aren’t anything special.
I’d be surprised if Donaldson is traded at all.
RunDMC
This is the Mets we’re talking about (i.e. Cano). NYM is going to take on 90% of the deal giving up Pete Crow-Armstrong so his mom can finally see him play for the Twins (ref: Little Big League).
Geebs
in fairness Cano was pre-Cohen ownership and pre-Anderson led front office.
deweybelongsinthehall
Too bad it’s not the NHL where they can manipulate the intent of the rules. Hockey people have only themselves to blame. Bettman knows Tampa continues to circumvent the spirit of the rules and it needs to change before others exploit it worse.
dave frost nhlpa
Other clubs do it as well,but the only difference is your club is losing while Tampa is #WINNING
MetsFan22
How are your Braves doing?
802Ghost
Let’s not act like the Mets are running away with things here.
They’ve also played like 5 less games.
@DaOldDerbyBastard
MetsFan22, as a lifelong Mets fan myself, please shut up. Your delusional fandom makes the rest of us look like assholes.
iamhector24
Ill take MetsFan22 over you every day.
its_happening
The buyout will be one of a few points of contention, yes. The points will be Donaldson’s age, production versus contract, playing 3B beyond 35 years old and eating $8-mil to buyout a player at 38-39 years old. Any team will want a portion of that covered.
Dumpster Divin Theo
The dbag factor as well.
socalblake
I used to hate Donaldson, but after watching the video on youtube by Baseball Doesn’t Exist, my opinion changed of him. Dude’s been through a lot and dealt a sh1tty hand from the beginning. It’s worth watching.
Al Hirschen
This guy is a NARK
anthonyd4412
Hey, if I were an MLB hitter I’d call out cheating too
Al Hirschen
With the Cubs dropping to 500 I want the Mets to trade for Kris Bryant.And put him at 3B CF RF LF 1B and doesn’t get hurt. And is not a A-HOLE
PutPeteinthehall
He’s ok and can play all the positions. He has a bad shoulder. It wasn’t bothering him until the last month. When it acts up he hits 200 with about two home runs per 100 ab’s. Also his agent is a major A-Hole
Android Dawesome
What would the Mets give up for Bryant? Let’s make it a little more interesting and package him with Hendricks. I’m just curious
Cosmo2
I wouldn’t give up a lot. No top prospects for a rental. And Hendricks isn’t really the guy I want the team spending half it’s remaining budget on.
cpins
Wouldn’t the mets only be on the hook for half of the $23m AAV since the season is half over?
Ronk325
They would only have to pay Donaldson about half of what he’s owed this year but his entire contract would go on their books
phenomenalajs
Correct. The one thing the Mets could do to push off breaking through the luxury tax barrier this year is including Familia’s expiring contract in the deal in addition to whatever prospects they send the Twins way.
cpins
RIght – I’m disputing Steve’s claim that Donaldson would put them over the CBT. If they are currently $13.5m under and they took on Donaldson for 81 games he would add $11.5m to their CBT number and they would be very close but just under the CBT.
StudWinfield
CBT hit is prorated just like the actual costs.
Elfod325
Would love this for the Mets if not for the remaining two years. He’s just such a big unknown for the salary they’d be taking on even if the Twins eat about $10 mil or so…
padam
Hard pass. Age and contract from here on out is not worth it. Go after Bryant if anything. Younger and can play other positions if necessary. Sign long term and the infield is complete for years to come.
imissjoebuzas
I agree with you, but think the me6ts don’t have enough prospect value to grab him.
PutPeteinthehall
You’re probably not signing Bryant/Boras to any deal after the season. Scott will probably try to run an auction and fail. I foresee him holding out like Keuchel/Kimbrel. He believes he’s in the Bryce Harper class.
jdodson1822
Please take Rendon
RunDMC
LAA GM Minasian calls up his former boss, ATL GM AA and eats more of the deal for better prospects – he knows better than most – Rendon becomes 3B getting back into NL East, Riley inevitably moves to LF – replacing Ozuna.
Sure, it’s not going to happen considering Rendon JUST signed that extension and Braves have Freeman extension (hopefully) to still iron out, but fun to dream about while stuck in an elevator in 50% humidity hearing the angels calling.
Appalachian_Outlaw
I’d rather see the Braves bring Josh Donaldson back and move Riley to LF. I just hope the Mets don’t get him. Big fan of Donaldson, and hated to see him leave ATL
Curly Was The Smart Stooge
Oh hell no! Riley has been making leaps and bounds at 3rd
Appalachian_Outlaw
His bat has improved, but he’s not the strongest defensive 3B. I’m not saying bench him, just move him to LF for this season.
The NL will probably get the DH, to my dismay. Ozuna will not play another game in Atlanta as a Brave. So next season, dump Ozuna… DH Josh, and put Riley back at 3B.
Not going to happen, but I’d like to see Josh back in Atlanta
RunDMC
Riley should be only throwing to a cut-off man. He makes Ricky Vaughn look like Greg Maddux.
RunDMC
Truthfully, there are much better ways of spending money/prospect capital than taking on a dead contract unless you’re buying at cents-on-the-dollar. If they were to do this for Rendon, it’d make no sense why they wouldn’t have been one of the last standing for Arenado who would have fit this team to a T…and most likely meant they wouldn’t have re-signed Ozuna.
padam
As a Mets fan, I hope the Braves trade for him as well.
AshleySchaefferBMW
Hope for Donaldson, expect Seager
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Oldschoolandthemets1980
Too injury prone , let’s try and get Bryant if possible, if not I would be on the phone with Seattle and try and get Seager, then try and pry Gallo from Texas.
Chev Chelios
Mets need a 3B….Culberson and Holt should be available for cheap
Cosmo2
Neither Culbertson nor Holt are upgrades from what they have. Donaldson is too old ( but still maybe a good idea if they can get him for nothing) and Bryant will cost too much. Go with Davis/Villar/Guillorme.
JimmyTheC
Davis/Villar/Guillorme have been holding down the fort just fine. No use trying to solve a problem that doesn’t exist.
Fred K. Burke
Bryant, among others may become available if/when the Cubs decide to sell. So those teams that may wish to trade for Bryant, sit tight. The next week and a half will determine where the Cubs stand. Beginning tonight 3 games vs. the Reds, 4
games vs. the Phil’s and 3 games vs. the Cards. The Cubs are currently 6.5 behind the Brewers. The Cubs are not playing good baseball right now. By the All Star break if they don’t close that gap, improve their game or are further behind the Cubs go to sell mode. Bryant is currently dealing with an injury. He has a sore side from an attempted diving catch against the Dodgers recently. So that may be a concern with him.
solaris602
I don’t see a realistic scenario where the Cubs aren’t sellers. They’re in a tailspin and now are just 3 games over .500 The only player in their walk year not likely to go will be Rizzo. Bryant and Kimbrel will bring back the most talent, hard to say what they’d get for Baez.
Fred K. Burke
I agree with you. But if the Cubs do sell, Don’t stop selling at just the players you mentioned. Just go for it and see if the front office can get back some young, controlled talent. See what you can get for OF Peterson, relief pitchers Tepera, Weick. Chafin, Brothers and starter Davies. This Cubs team has some veteran players that can help a playoff bound team. Not sure what the return would be for some of these players, likely noting as far as an organizations top end prospects. But someone like Davies who is a veteran, playoff tested starter, who’s had some decent outings may be bring something decent to the Cubs. Since we are talking the Mets needs, maybe a package of Bryant and a reliever like Chafin or starter Davies.
DonOsbourne
If I were the Cubs, I would be trying to put together a package that included Heyward. You’re going to eat some money, but outfielders have been particularly hard hit by injuries this season. This is your last best chance to move him before you just have to eat the entire contract. No matter if you’re rebuilding, reloading, retooling, whatever, his contract is an obstacle that has to be moved if you’re serious about re-establishing a winner.
1984wasntamanual
Heyward has been bad this year, so I don’t know why a team would even want him. The cubs have/should have money, they don’t really have much in the farm. I wouldn’t reduce the player return they’re getting back just to unload Heyward $. He’s signed through 2023, I don’t see them being good again before that anyway, so his contract shouldn’t really get in the way.
Fred K. Burke
Believe me the Cubs and likely all Cub fans would love to be finished with Heyward. But not happening. He’s signed through 2023 with a salary around an unbelievable 20 million per season. No GM of sound mind would make that deal even if the Cubs would front a whole bunch of dollars. Heyward looks like an old man. Very slow and stiff. He can’t hit anything unless a pitcher gives him a low 90’s fastball middle plate. His defense is still pretty acceptable but not near what he used to be earlier in his Cubs career. Sorry but the reality is that Heyward is a fourth or fifth outfielder whose better days are long gone.
PutPeteinthehall
I agree no one is taking Heyward. He’ll end up getting cut before the contract is over. I believe he has ten years and will get a nice pension besides the enormous contract the Cubs gave him.
ayrbhoy
I would imagine it would not require much “trying” to get Seager. Teams have balked at signing him because of his $15M player option (a poison-pill) that kicks in if he’s traded. It would make more sense (to me) to sign Seags for a fraction of that $15M this off-season.
Personally I’d like the M’s to give Seager one more year- I’m not sold on Ty France’s D at 3rd and we don’t have any 3rd base prospects who are close to being ready. Seager also provides leadership within that young clubhouse.
1984wasntamanual
I have seen people call that a poison pill multiple times…He’s on pace to be about a 2.5 fWAR player, so $15m, especially for only 1 year, really doesn’t seem like a bad contract for him. Does it look like he’s going to trigger the escalator for that option? I don’t remember how many PAs he needed to bump that to 20m.
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I think it’s also worth pointing out that the Mets have a reasonably strong system in terms of 3B with Baty, Vientos, and arguably Mauricio as well given that a position change is likely in his future if he doesn’t end up traded. I could definitely see them trading for Donaldson or someone of his ilk as a transitional piece, since only Vientos has played above High A. I’d be shocked if they aren’t calling about Seager as well.
metzfan
metzfan 186 game season????
albertasaskatchewan
I completely fixated on that as well, I had to start reading the article over again as soon as I read that. The heat is melting my brain. “I think I’m dumb…or maybe just happy”.
ronnsnow
I wonder if Adam Frazier is capable of playing 3B. His bat would be a nice addition for the Mets.
joebourgeois
Frazier to 2nd, McNeil/Villar/Guillorme/Nixon/Agnew /Hoffa to 3rd
Rsox
Have you seen Agnew’s metrics at 3rd? Off the charts!
Curly Was The Smart Stooge
I like Hoffa, but his deal with the Union has been cemented
retire21
Well done sir. Well done indeed.
cleonswoboda
Hoffa might be UNDER 3rd base.
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He’s played 7 games there professionally (none since 2017) so it might be a stretch to start him there. I’m also very suspicious of his offensive production this season – I definitely don’t see his current 139 WRC+ as sustainable.
They could shuffle the deck a bit to get him at 2B or LF, but I don’t think he’s really a solution to their current needs.
Raps902420
So are the Mets trying to build a roster with former blue Jay’s on purpose or????
Rsox
If I’m the Twins i probably take whatever is offered. Donaldson seems likely to spend the next half of his contract as a DH and while $23 million isn’t terrible if he’s productive this twins need a lot more than Donaldson to be competitive next year
slslinde
Your crazy. Donaldsons defense is superb and bat is legit. It will take a AA farm hand to get him
Cosmo2
Maybe but the money owed could decrease that value
Colt 45
always fun to watch Mets on the hunt for a 3rd baseman
Rsox
They recently inquired about the availability of Howard Johnson
Colt 45
If you were to package up Nolan Ryan & Amos Otis, you *might* be able to get a short-term rental.
Say Hey Now Kid
Or Bonilla. He’s already getting paid
Curly Was The Smart Stooge
He’s performing better this year than I expected, but who would be naive to take this salary on a slowly vanishing player? Why do teams keep making these huge deals & then give the farm away to get rid of them? Bogles my mind
Dan Hunter
a LOT better than Davis.
HBan22
Donaldson, despite his injury struggles the past few seasons, has proven that he is not declining yet and that when fully healthy is still a borderline elite level player. The age and injuries are of course a concern, but he’s still a very good player who could help a number of teams. Depending on how much money the Twins are willing to add, it could be well worth it for the Mets or several other teams to take a chance. Especially if they could get a solid pitcher packaged together with him.
Jaysfan1981
I wouldn’t be mad if the Jays brought him back to hit 6th or 7th and solve the revolving 3rd base situation
We could certainly afford it for 2 more years after this, it wouldn’t affect any upcoming contracts for the core and probably won’t cost much in terms of prospects if we’re eating the whole contract
Twins fans, who would you be interested in if a trade presented itself.
I know I’d like to get Buxton Cruz and Donaldson off the Twins in any combination if it were a possibility
twins33
It’s hard to judge, considering the Twins would have to eat a significant amount of his contract no matter who they trade Donaldson to.
The Twins still have a top 10 offense (top 5ish in the AL). Their biggest need is near ready SP’s, especially guys who are more mid or top of the rotation types. I don’t believe they can get that for Donaldson but they definitely need pitching more than anything.
I don’t see Buxton being traded this season, especially since he’s out for a month (I know that’s normal, but it would be trading him low). I also hope they re-sign him vs trading but I guess we’ll see on that.
Ted
I agree. The hardest part would be dealing with fan expectations that he’s the JD of 2015, but he could round out the bottom of the order. If you can’t get the pitching you need, at least out hit the other guys. Jays have plenty of money. I’d hate to play him on turf, though… and DH is relatively full with the OF rotation they have.
its_happening
Until they return to Toronto they won’t have to worry about the turf. With Espinal and potentially Kevin Smith they could DH Donaldson a fair bit next year if they acquired him. Considering the excitement from Jays fans over Cruz, Donaldson would be a better fit with his ability to still play some 3B.
angt222
Donaldson is another injury prone, overpaid, aging star that the Mets don’t need. I’d rather them engage the Twins about trading Berrios & ARZ about Escobar.
imissjoebuzas
The Mets should trade Familia and JD Davis to the Twins for Donaldson. The Twins get a player on an expiring contract who can help in the bullpen to keep things competitive thru year’s end (for second half of the year ticket sales) and an immediate replacement for Donaldson at third who is controllable thru 2024 via arbitration. The Twins get obvious immediate and future salary relief. The Mets get to stay very close if not below the salary tax because they take on only an additional $10M in AAV, which the Donaldson trade would have put them right up against The Twins likewise get someone who is a future DH in Davis (if things on the grass don’t get better).that allows them to trade Nelson Cruz at the deadline.
imissjoebuzas
Maybe get the Twins to eat enough future money to make sure the Mets stay below the Luxury Tax threshold, at least for this transaction..
jvent
The Twins would need to eat at least 1/2 of Donaldsons contract OR take Cano’s 2 years that are left after this plus Davis and a minor league prospect or don’t do it.
C.K.Rebel
I feel like McNiel hit better when he was playing 3B, and Villar was great for a spell, add in that Peraza looked good while McNiel was out and it feels like they trying to patch a problem they’ve created.
We need Pitching, Pitching and more Pitching. That’s where we should be focusing our efforts. So unless Donaldson is a throw-in with Berrios to bring the cost down, I’m not interested.
Bdonnell
Question for commenters: if the Reds made either Moustakas or Eugenio Suarez available. Which would be more attractive to needy teams & bring back a better return?
DonOsbourne
I’m going to say Suarez because he’s younger. But they should probably trade Moose because they’d be selling very low on Suarez. They should keep Suarez, find a defensive position he is comfortable playing, and hope he can rebuild his value. The shortstop experiment was a terrible plan.
HBan22
Suarez because he is younger, cheaper and despite his massive struggles this season has a ceiling that is still arguably higher than Moustakas’s. Plus, as mentioned above, the Reds would be selling very low on Suarez, potentially making him an attractive option for teams looking to acquire a slugger without giving up any top young talent. There should be plenty of teams still interested in Suarez at this point, not as much for Moustakas unless the Reds include some $ in a deal.
Northeasternskier
The Mets could get Michael Chavis from the Red Sox for a couple of minor leaguers. He was defensive player of the year at 3rd base at one time in the minors.
HBan22
I’m a Sox fan and I would like to see Chavis get more playing time whether it be with the Sox or somewhere else. It seems like I’m still higher on him than a lot of people seem to be anymore. At the very least, I think he’ll end up being a great utility player.
rrieders
Donaldson is a perfect fit as long as the Twins arent requiring premium prospects and are primarily concerned about getting out of the contract.
Bill M
I think I’d rather see the Mets go after pitching at this point. Merrill Kelly or Joakim Soria may be available. Not really earth shattering acquisitions but the rotation has been hit hard with injuries and the pen has been overworked
someoldguy
The early bird gets the worm… why hasn’t this happened.. the Mets have pitching.. the Twins don’t..
PitcherMeRolling
Only if the Twins kick in money or the Mets don’t give up much. JD Davis is as good offensively as Donaldson, and that’s too much money for a guy that is guaranteed money through his age 37 season.
LordD99
$62-70M approximate left on the deal, depending on what they do with the option. He’s already 35. The Mets could be hoping the Twins kick in significantly money to reduce the value, while the Twins get a nice prospect in return. Or perhaps the Mets attach a bad contract to the exchange. Not sure who that would be though. Doesn’t seem like an easy fit.
LongTimeFan1
Donaldson’s contract becomes a problem when Mets third base prospects are ready. Baty is a keeper who could be shifted to the outfield. Mauricio could be shifted to 2nd base or the outfield since Lindor was signed that ended Mauricio as future Mets shortstop.
Vientos is a pure power guy with sub par defensive reputation. He could potentially be traded in deal for Donaldson or a shorter term third base acquisition. I prefer Mets trade from big league roster as the major chip in the deal. I would much prefer Mets hold onto their top prospects.
StudWinfield
Mets are in a good position to do this. Davis and a top 5-15 prospect could make it happen. Twins could dump a lot of $’s, have Davis for cheap 1b/3b/dh/of production and get a decent prospect.
LongTimeFan1
That’s a possibility.
TradeAcuna
Met fans are funny. They are so inclined to trade Davis (who might be their best hitter). It is even more funny when they want to offer the Pirates Davis for Frazier. WTH would Pittsburgh do that?
Donaldson will fit right in with the Mets. Lindor’s and Donaldson’s self-admiration will be the most interesting thing the Mets will see the rest of the season when they fall off the race.
LongTimeFan1
Davis is a favorite of mine, I’d rather he not be traded, but he’s iffy defensively. Villar has been fantastic at third base. When Davis and Villar return from their rehab assignments, Mets will have an issue needing Davis’s offense while having concerns about his defense at third. As the Mets have seen for nearly all of this season, defense wins them ballgames..
I think Mets should trade McNeil, rotate Villar between playing second and third base. They can pick and choose when to sit Davis depending on who’s pitching.
If Mets retain Davis, he’s logical fit for right hand hitting DH that seems to be coming to NL after this season.
TradeAcuna
McNeil is a perfect example of who the Mets will quickly regret trading. He will return to his productive days.
Cosmo2
Are they inclined to trade Davis or is it really just the fans and media speculation?
Rick Sanchez
Donaldson will continue to hit this month and drive up his value. He will be a top 5 trade piece and lead the fire sale
jvent
No thanks to Donaldson his contract is too much, especially with the Mets needing to resign some of their own FA’s after this year, Conforto, Syndergaard and Stroman so it doesn’t make sense to add another big contract unless they don’t resign any of them, espwith Cano’s deal coming back next year.
Cosmo2
Yea adding Donaldson is a “win this year” move and basically punts on the future. It’d be the last big move they could afford to make, more or less.
tigerfan1968
He is a really good hitter but the contract was a huge risk for the Twins. If I am Twins management take the first reasonable offer and learn from your mistake. I am not sure why the Mets would want him after the disastrous overpay for Lindor but if they take on 2/3 of the salary the Twins should do it. Twins are a small market team in a small market division. Only the White Sox should be the big spenders here and so far they have avoided a huge blunder overpaying for aging stars.
mathblaster
I also see no reason for Twins not to pull the trigger on virtually any Donaldson trade. This year is a wash and you can’t be sure Donaldson will keep up this production the remainder of his contract. Getting most of his $ off the books makes total sense. Mets are a desperate overpaying team at this point, they probably don’t even need to pay down much of the contract either
Say Hey Now Kid
Would Eduardo Escobar be a good option for the Mets?
Moneyballer
Who the heck would play 3rd for the Twins then? We’re not putting Sano back there. The return would have to be substantial because the problem with the Twins is not the offense or defense generally speaking. It’s been the atrocious pitching.
mgomrjsurf
Somebody in the Minors like Gordon.
PutPeteinthehall
What does it matter who plays third for the Twins? Think Cubs would be glad to dump Bryant there. Boras is probably salivating thinking about Cohens money. A few prospects would do the job.
dasit
yankee fan here. although my team is going down in flames and i’ve hated the mets forever, i really hope they go all-in this year. they have ownership with deep pockets, a long-suffering fan base (including friends of mine), and a pitcher having (literally) the greatest season in mlb history. if they make the playoffs, degrom could carry them through hershiser-style. he’s also 33 and there’s no guarantee he’ll stay healthy moving forward. they should not assume a long window. they should go for it now, announce there’s a new sheriff in town, and maybe just maybe goad my team into cleaning house and starting fresh
Twinsfan79
186 game season? Woo hoo!!!!!!!!
Cosmo2
Donaldson isn’t enough of an upgrade over what they have to justify taking on all that money.
mgomrjsurf
Franco from Baltimoe?
Cosmo2
They could have had him for nothing in the off season and passed. He’s playing well below replacement level. Why would they possibly want him now? He’s worse than what they have currently.
panic in detroit
Schoop from Det
Cosmo2
I don’t understand why so many folks think the Mets are desperate for a third baseman.
Dan Hunter
They HAVE to improve their offense somehow..
MetsFan22
Twins Mets deal
Mets get berrios Donaldson
Twins get cano Mauricio Vientos Lee ginn Dominguez
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Cosmo2
Kill the future and clog the payroll for a slight upgrade? No thanks.
MetsFan22
Well I’m mostly doing this for berrios not Donaldson
Bill M
But there’s too many flaws there. Twins don’t want Cano because nobody wants Cano. And the Mets aren’t ready to unload Mauricio
Canosucks
Did someone say Cano? 🙂
Only take Donaldson if they eat some salary or you get pitching with him
twins33
Twins way more likely to kick in money. They are desperate for pitching.
MrMet62
Steve Adams, Your update on Donaldson is kinda contradictory. Not up to your typical high standards
jim stem
So it’s pretty much just Martino’s opinion at this point?
Third base might be the least of this team’s concerns. STARTING PITCHING should be the priority. Personally, I’d like to see them add two veteran rental pieces to the starting rotation and then begin skipping a start for everyone once a month to keep them healthy.
Yes, hitting is a major concern. I’m still pretty convinced the problem was NOT Chili Davis, considering how down the numbers were across baseball.
jim stem
If we are dealing with the Twins, I’d expect pitching over hitting given our pitching coach was with the Twins before this year. Send us Pineda and Rogers before Donaldson. Donaldson is very similar to Davis and I fear any Donaldson move would have to include Davis going the other way. Davis is younger and much cheaper.
Altuves Buzzer
Mets should totally do this deal! A clubhouse killer and super selfish player, needs to be a met, yesterday. And they might as well give up Mauricio and Allen to get him. A perfect fit. Also pirates are overrated.
BartoloHRball
The Mets need pitching, not someone for 3B. Davis is a great hitter and a below-avg glove. They have Guillorme who has an above-avg glove and can hit better than expected. He’s probably replacement level, but that’s fine for a backup. A platoon of them is passable and (IMHO) far preferred to taking on an oft-injured player owned a chunk of change who has had personality clashes in the past. Hard pass. I’d much rather they trade for Rodriguez (PIT) or maybe one of the Oriole RPs. It’d cost less $$ and they could avoid moving their top 3-4 prospects. I’m not sure if either team has a bad contract they’d want to move, but I could see the Mets taking back some $$ to reduce the prospect cost.
tstats
Thank God, cant lose prospects here.
lumber and lighting
Cano’s deal is insured and he was suspended.Cohen should have 15 million in the 2nd half without increasing salary rt?New owner getting antsy and a good GM is going to make it hurt.I hope for the Mets sake they stay fair fair away from Donaldson.
Cosmo2
Cano’s salary doesn’t factor in at all this year. They’re about 15 million under the threshold? That’s a guess, but Cano don’t factor in. Not til next year.
Canosucks
Mets would not even be talking about the luxury tax if they did not compound a horrible signing / trade in Cano and sign Lindor for all that money when any of the Mets “Bench Mob” would be producing more than Lindor at this or any future point.
I was one of many on here that hoped the Mets would let Lindor play out the rest of this year before any signing / extension.
FloridaMan1988
The Mets have trash prospects.
Ham Fighter
Donaldson is a world class jerk and a cancer to any clubhouse don’t bother mets
Dan Hunter
You can have the best starting pitching in the world but no hitting, no win.
Mets need both in spades.
jvent
No to Donaldson the Mets don’t need another 3b Villar, Louie G and if JD comes back that’s fine, I would trade for Berrios instead.
The Saber-toothed Superfife
Cheer up,fellas. It’s not like BigAl Avila is ruining, I mean, running your team……no…I mean ruining, don’t I?
embalmer
Suarez comes cheap this year 😉
MyWhiteSoxAreDirty
Donaldson is a clown, any team looking to trade for him isn’t looking to win
$crewBaLL
brewers – lets start with offering hiura