The Mets and Cubs announced agreement on a deal sending star shortstop Javier Baez to Queens. He’ll be accompanied by right-hander Trevor Williams, with outfield prospect Pete Crow-Armstrong sent back to Chicago in return.
Between landing Francisco Lindor during the offseason and now trading for Baez, the Mets have obtained two of the sport’s best shortstops (who are also great friends with each other) within the span of a few months. Baez is a free agent after the season, so while this is quite possibly a short-term pickup meant to only help the Mets in 2021, it will nonetheless be a huge boost to New York’s chances of winning the NL East and making a run in October.
The trade ends a very memorable eight-season run for Baez in Wrigleyville, after he was selected with the ninth overall pick of the 2011 draft. Beginning his career as a free-swinging power bat, Baez’s propensity for striking out never really went away (his 131 whiffs leads the league this year), but he has hit .269/.307/.502 with 116 homers over 2310 PA since the start of the 2017 season. That includes a huge 2018 season that saw Baez finish second in NL MVP voting, while also winning a Silver Slugger Award.
As accomplished as Baez is at the plate, his defense has become his calling card. It took Baez until 2020 to capture his first Gold Glove, but his shortstop ability has been celebrated for years, even if he didn’t fully leave second (or even third) base duty until 2019. Since Lindor has played only as a shortstop at the MLB level, Baez is the likelier of the two to be moved around the diamond as the Mets’ needs develop.
Most of the Mets’ rumors were centered around the team’s search for third base help, though Lindor’s recent placement on the 10-day injured list seemed to expand the search to the shortstop position as well. Baez can handle short until Lindor is healthy, and could then slide over to play second base or potentially even third base, giving the Mets a clear and immediate upgrade to their infield defense. Jeff McNeil and J.D. Davis are the current first-choice options at second and third base, though either could be moved into the outfield, with McNeil being the more versatile of the two.
Williams will add depth to a Mets rotation that has been thinned by injuries, though once everyone is at full health, Williams is likely to be relegated to bullpen duty. The 29-year-old right-hander has a 5.06 ERA over 58 2/3 innings for the Cubs this season, and there isn’t much to like about his Statcast metrics. That said, Williams’ SIERA is a more palatable 4.18, and he has experienced some misfortune — a .343 BABIP, and a .358 wOBA that is far above his .320 xwOBA.
The Baez deal continues a Cubs fire sale that has already seen the likes of Kris Bryant, Anthony Rizzo, Craig Kimbrel, Ryan Tepera, and Joc Pederson all dealt. The Mets announced they’ve received an undisclosed amount of cash in the deal. Baez has roughly $3.96MM remaining on his $11.65MM salary for the 2021 season. The Mets still have some breathing room under the $210MM luxury tax threshold, as only the prorated portion of that $11.65MM counts against their tax number (and the Cubs might are also kicking in some money).
In exchange for Baez and Williams, the Cubs will receive a solid but not quite elite prospect in Crow-Armstrong, who wasn’t listed by either MLB Pipeline (fifth) or Baseball America (sixth) as one of New York’s top four prospects. Still, Crow-Armstrong was selected 19th overall just last summer, and he began his pro career with a 1.024 OPS over the very small sample size of 32 PA for the Mets’ A-ball affiliate before having to undergo shoulder surgery.
The 19-year-old Crow-Armstrong might already be just about MLB-ready on the defensive front, as he has an excellent throwing arm and speed that makes him a fit as a future center fielder. As Pipeline’s scouting report simply puts it, “the offensive game will be a work in progress,” as Crow-Armstrong has shown only power potential thus far rather than any real power. He does make a lot of contact, however, and his speed could be a difference-maker in helping him turn grounders into singles or singles into doubles.
Andy Martino of SNY reported the Mets’ acquisition of Baez. Jon Heyman of MLB Network reported that New York was also acquiring Williams, while Bob Nightengale of USA Today reported that Crow-Armstrong was headed back to Chicago in return. The Athletic’s Ken Rosenthal and Jayson Stark initially reported the two sides were making progress on a trade, with The New York Post’s Joel Sherman tweeting that a pitcher might also be involved as part of the negotiations.
BrewersMVP08
Now they can have 2 underperforming middle infielders
Cubs Dynasty
Baez strikes out alot. Especially on low outside the zone breaking stuff. Yet, he always performs well Javy is a great defensive player. No under performance there.
johnrealtime
Definite underperformance In 2020
Curly Was The Smart Stooge
WOW! This like Black Friday after Thanksgiving! Insane in the membrain!
Cubs Dynasty
Johnrealtime – per your very own mon8ker, Baez hit .324 with a .535 slugging percentage for July 2021.
Led Hoyer
He’s been on fire in July.
chiefnocahoma1
Membrain?
Oldschoolandthemets1980
Insane got no brain. Great song and memories.
n2northsiders
I disagree. Look at his fielding stats
Cubs Dynasty
N2northsiders – were you referring to Javy Baez, the two-time all-star, NL MVP runner up and gold glove winner? Is that the guy?
iml12
One of the best defenders and smartest baseball players on the planet.
jz2016cubs
He hasn’t been a great fielder lately. Sadly
joeyrocafella
Focus on your Brewers, the Mets will be just fine
Say Hey Now Kid
That’s how I feel. Adding a high strikeout guy to a team that already hits poorly with runners on base
stretch123
BrewersMVP08-
You’re a typical fan who believes offense is the only measure of performance for a position player.
JohhnyBets67
2 expensive MIF’s that can play grabass with each other like they did in the WS.
mets1536
You Mean like Your Outfielder Yelich lol
TradeAcuna
A Baez-McNeil trade makes too much sense.
PoloGrounds62
That’s idiotic. Trading your best hitter for a 2 month rental is something only the Wilpons would do.
davidk1979
That’d be dumb McNeil has years of control left trade Davis.
syndergaardshair
Disagree, McNeil can slide to third
joeyrocafella
There is absolutely no way the Mets include McNeil in a trade… It will be JD Davis
MC Tim C
Lol the Cubs have zero interest in Davis. It will be prospects.
iamhector24
The mets arent giving mcneil for a rental.
Logjammer D"Baggagecling
Hope it’s not a strait up trade.
Skip Church
Dumb
Cosmo2
McNeil for Baez would be a DOWNGRADE
causality
Patrick wisdom!!
Jake1972
Baez and Davies make perfect sense for the Mets.
VonPurpleHayes
Yea. Davies is exactly what they need. Baez is a luxury not a need.
padam
Right. When the batter has more strikeouts than the pitcher.
iamhector24
22 homers and 65 rbi getting moved to a team who legit cant hit with RISP. PLUS lindor/ baez dp combo is sick!
VonPurpleHayes
Those homer numbers will drop significantly in citifield,but yes he will provide plenty of pop and great defense. Also a ton of Ks. I just don’t understand who is going to pitch for the Mets down the stretch.
1984wasntamanual
Baez does have a good arm…
Jake1972
It just made sense seeing Baez can play Short, Third and Second and has the power to change a game in one sweet stroke.
Now the issue is Baez strikeout rate and that is something Mets fans will not like but fielding wise you can not ask for a better up the middle guy or someone that can shift to third base.
Brick House Coffee Tables Inc
Baez should be able to bat 7th in that lineup.
Brownsfan83
No Javier Baez please I have his jersey
mlbnyyfan
Mets not giving up McNeil for anyone. Mets probably trade JD Davis and others.
iamhector24
It’s just going to be a prospect. Hes a rental.
Logjammer D"Baggagecling
I just got a road grey jersey this year. Also have 2 Bryant and a Bryzzo jersey too. Among others
padam
Ugh. Baez and Davis I’m guessing. The two I wouldn’t want from the Cubs.
causality
Davis is on the Mets silly!
padam
Davies. Damn autocorrect.
joeyrocafella
He meant Davies
FletcherFan66
lmao
Keithyim
Are you really though?
Metsin777
Baez and Bryant for Mauricio, JD Davis, and Szpucki
Tom Price
Good job
CubsWin108
*takes a shot*
VonPurpleHayes
Lol. Baez fits the Mets big-name-who-will-under-perform profile.
Larry David's Joe Pepitone Jersey
Unfortunately yes.
MetsFan22
Also fits the will hit hr of pathetic Philly pitching profile.
AndyMeyer
At least the Phillies made the effort to address their pathetic pitching.
The Mets would rather have the guy who leads the league in strikeouts then another arm to patch up that rotation especially now with deGrom lost until September. The East is up fir grabs. Which bad team will take it?
When it was a game.
Lets be honest they both have had issues addressing obvious needs. Phillies mostly needed bullpen got a starter. Mets needed starter got a shortstop.
Brownsfan83
Sup Cubs fans
fisher40
The Cubs trading away their core players, not surprising considering there looking up at the Brewers. For you Cubs fans out there, I laugh my ass off expect 90 loss seasons by next year. U guys had a 5 year window and only won 1 championship. Pathetic
cjbay
They are doing exactly what they should be doing. Trading for the future
VonPurpleHayes
Every team in baseball would sign up for 1 championship in a 5 year window. The Cubs also smartly replinshed their farm. These are good moves.
chrismilwaukee
Next year the Cubs will have INSANE money for free agency. Plus Nico Hoerner and Madrigal 1-2 and Wisdom, Contreras and bringing up Davis. Already awesome.
Cubsforever22
Exactly!!! Amen brother!!!
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I’m not a Cubs fan but most teams don’t win more than once. Look at the 2007-2011 Phillies, the Astros (so far), the Mets of the ‘80s, the A’s of the late ‘80s and even my Braves in the ‘90s. The 2011-2014 Tigers never won one, the 1995-2001 Indians never won one and the Rangers never won one despite five postseason appearances in seven years 2010, 2011, 2012, 2015, 2016). The Dodgers have won eight straight division titles and only have one FAKE championship during that run. The Nationals were World Series contenders for almost an entire decade and only won once.
jjd002
I thought for sure the Astros and Cubs would combine to win at least 5 championships from 2015 to 2025. Just proves how hard it is to win in any given timeframe.
Colt 45
Astros have plenty of time to win the three necessary by 2025
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For the record, I think my Braves should have been able to win a second championship in the ‘90s at the very least but the 1991 team was inexperienced against the Twins and they ran into great Blue Jays and Yankees teams.
VonPurpleHayes
That’s the best example. 90s Braves were by far the greatest team of the era…only got 1 title. The fact that the Dodgers only won 1 recently is also a minor miracle.
LADreamin
We should’ve won in 2017 too, but ya know… cheating
whyhayzee
The Astros would not have been your opponent.
48-team MLB
The Twins cheated in 1991 but no one gives the Braves any slack on that. They pushed Ron Gant off of first base and they also turned up their fans while they were batting so the ball would carry more. You lost in 2017. Deal with it.
48-team MLB
1991-1996 was when the Braves were the best team in the sport. Unfortunately they lost three of the four World Series they appeared in during that time. After that, a veteran Marlins team got hot at the right time and then the Yankees pretty much took over from there.
tstats
Then don’t call it a fake WS
Wainofan
Cardinals have been right around a ws appearance every 5 years average for the last 4 decades. Since 1982 we have appeared in 7 World Series. Comes out to .875 per five years. Extrapolate the Cubs to the same time period and they are 1 in 40 years. Or .125 per 5 years. Cubs tanking again. Gross. I’ll take my team going for it every year with the window always open rather then tank, rebuild, tank rebuild.
1984wasntamanual
People were talking about wins, not appearances and why did you pick 1982? The Cardinals are/were a well run team, I think a lot of teams would have liked to be as successful as they were over the last 10-15 years.
northsidecrossrifles
Who says the cubs are now “tanking and rebuilding” ???
They will barely have 65 mil on the books for next year. The farm was already considered to have a lot of depth prior to these trades, and they added 11 more prospects. With their financial might, and the NL central being a relatively weak division, they could pull a 2015 yankees retooling and be competitive next season.
Cosmo2
Yea Cubs are not tanking. It’s a retool done by a very smart organization.
laswagn
Still mad over blowing a 3-1 lead I see. I say this knowing you wouldn’t call it fake had the braves won it.
48-team MLB
I definitely would have understood that it wasn’t the same. Obviously I wanted to win due to competitive nature but that title would not have been legit even if we had won it.
Led Hoyer
One more than the Brewers
Not a clever name
By Cubs standards that’s pretty good, it’s better than none in 107 year window.
Cubsforever22
What did u win? Oh nothing gtfo. We’re getting good returns and we will have over 100 mill freed up this offseason. We can sign whoever we want while we continue to upgrade the farm. Hopefully be competitive next year, but deff by 2023. We will be stomping the brewers out again very soon while you guys get put out in the first round by a nl west team.
48-team MLB
My Crystal Ball has already revealed the next Cubs title. They will defeat the Athletics in 2028.
1984wasntamanual
If you expect them to go out and spend a ton of money this offseason, you may be disappointed.
Joe It All
That’s an asinine statement. A lot of teams have 5 year Windows and Win 0 championships.
bleedinblue 2
And your Brewers have won how many championships?? Oh, that’s right. NONE!! Maybe you should think before you open your mouth. The Brewers will choke as usual.
Larry David's Joe Pepitone Jersey
Ehhhhhhh. I’ll see what they give up (if it happens) before complaining too much.
Chitown Tony
Wow!
LarryJ4
Lol how is Baez a luxury???? But as a Braves fan PLEASE COHEN trade for Baez and Davies for McNeil! You’d look like a genius after!!!!
lapmando
Just keep Dom Smith out of the deal please
stretch123
They’d be better off trading for Story.
mlbnyyfan
I thought Bryant was a better fit. At least they got someone
VonPurpleHayes
I don’t get this one.
VonPurpleHayes
Ahh. Trevor Williams too. This makes sense now.
Bill M
Some sense, not a lot. Crow Armstrong looked great in spring training. Mets will regret this one, I’m sure
phenomenalajs
He’s injured and just had shoulder surgery a couple months ago. He has hardly played at the pro level in the two seasons since he was drafted out of high school. He’s a work in progress and is at least three years away. Steve Cohen will most likely sign Nimmo, Conforto, Alonso and McNeil to long term deals. They still have Dom Smith and JD Davis who would still be
phenomenalajs
… accidentally hit submit to early… Dom & JD could still be under team control, if they’re not traded, by the time the Mets would have to promote him. Who would cut for PCA assuming he pans out? That’s not counting the other top position players in the pipeline – Ronny Mauricio, Brett Baty and Francisco Alvarez. Cohen will almost definitely sign Baez long term to be part of the double play combo with Lindor.
Brick House Coffee Tables Inc
Hoyer is collecting well regarded A-ball or Rookie-ball outfielders with high ceiling and low floor. He picked up one in the Darvish trade (Cassie), one in PCA, one from the Yankees in the Rizzo trade (Alcantara), and one in the Bryant trade (Canario). He picked up some pitching too, but it’s clear he is focused on outfielders.
Bill M
I don’t see Baez being any where near a Mets uniform as of October
JackStrawb
@Bill M Presumably a joke. Williams was sent straight to AAA and will be cut no later than the offseason.
lapmando
Know with Baez, the Mets can strike out as much as the yankee.
MatthewLVT17
Nahhhh not with Nimmo and McNeil at the top,
CubsWin108
“Hello yes is this the suicide hotline?”
flmetfan
Taint funny, McGee!
lapmando
Now
jjd002
Lol. This should work out well.
alwaysgo4two
Damn…..I was hoping that Baez would go to Cincinnati. Being on the same team with Amir Garrett would make great reality TV.
sufferforsnakes
More proof that having billions of dollars doesn’t mean you possess common sense.
yup 2
Like Baez but are they kidding with Trevor Williams? Hope they didn’t give up too much for a rental and sub par pitcher.
circaflex
yuck, what a dumb move. If anything they shouldve gone after Bryant to replace JD’s below average defense. What does this do to McNeil? I guess the only way this is a good move is if Lindor is actually going to be out a long time.
Brick House Coffee Tables Inc
Baez can play a mean 3B as well as SS/2B.
C.K.Rebel
Move McNiel to 3b , he hit better when he was there.
Logjammer D"Baggagecling
Hope it’s not a strait up trade.
Led Hoyer
Jed is not playing around. Not sure cubs can field a team tonight.
jimmyduz0523
cubs… what about the Nationals lol
tbfern
Don’t forget about the Nats, they have Juan Soto and a bag of seeds left in the clubhouse.
Cubs Dynasty
CJML – Word on the streets is that Cubs will have a lineup of four players today
kenly0
Crow Armstrong
EdwardA
Pete Crow-Armstrong to the Cubs. Another one of BVE draft picks.
Logjammer D"Baggagecling
Who else?
kenly0
Who else? They got the Mets 1st rounder from last year for rentals.
Say Hey Now Kid
Why do people always say McNeil can slide over to 3rd. He’s barely played there.
rct
I’m thinking maybe Conforto sits and McNeil would play the outfield. It’s moot until Lindor comes back, though.
whyhayzee
Because he is a tremendous hitter, they will find a spot for him.
Logjammer D"Baggagecling
That’s what I’m thinking. They got no one left. Other than kb(for now) and Willson.
1984wasntamanual
Everyone but you saw this coming.
rct
Not sure I understand this one. With Baez and Lindor (when he comes back) up the middle, where does McNeil go? Davis at 3rd, Dom Smith, Nimmo, and Conforto in the outfield. Seems like an odd move to give up PCA for what is not a need.
And Trevor Williams has negative value. He’s been one of the league’s most hittable starters for the last three years. I’m sure plenty of fans will love this deal (and the players are apparently loving it), but I don’t.
mlbnyyfan
Mets need more pitching to beat LA and SD. Would Mets consider MadBum?
phenomenalajs
Getting healthy is their best hope for competing. Having healthy deGrom, Carrasco, and Syndergaard in time for the playoffs would go a long way towards competing with those teams. Rich Hill and Trevor Williams are placeholders.
iml12
Baez will be a big boost. I can’t imagine how ridiculous that middle infield defense will be when Lindor comes back.
PSUMetsFan
I think their biggest concern is innings, not necessarily high caliber innings. Williams is a fairly reliable innings eater, so at least they won’t have to rely on scraping the barrel just to find a guy to start a game.
We all know that the Mets have been winning with pitching and defense this year, so evening things out by getting a big bat who plays great defense is a net positive.
Giving up PCA is frustrating, but at least it was only 1 player and a guy who is so far away from the big leagues that it’s not a huge concern for the moment.
Canosucks
@PSUMetsFan It is also a matter of winning; you can eat innings and lose and at the end of the day you got through the season and not in the playoffs!
PSUMetsFan
Yeah but you never know though, Williams actually has a 4-2 record as a starter this year. In previous years deGrom would practically throw a no hitter and get the L. Point is, he’s a proven major league pitcher who can at least keep you in the game, as opposed to some of the guys they’ve been trotting out there lately who aren’t major league caliber at all. We essentially got Williams for free in this deal. In the playoffs he won’t be starting, we just need a guy who can give us a few starts until our regulars get healthy.
seaver41
it’s a joke they got Trevor – a guy who will tax the bullpen and they didn’t add extra relief
sureshotschmitty
Now get Bryant
LordD99
Interesting. I thought the Mets were trying to acquire offense and pitching help.
Larry David's Joe Pepitone Jersey
I don’t like giving up Crow-Armstrong for a rental. I wonder if this is a case of the new regime not liking the old regime’s draft pick.
EdwardA
Sandy has traded away many of BVW draft picks. BVE drafted well in his short stint.
EdwardA
Sandy has traded away many of BVW draft picks. BVW drafted well in his short stint.
Rick Wilkins
Yeah, Way to go Rizzo!! Alright Javy! Let’s go KB! Yeah, Nice hit Crow- Armstrong! Well shoot. That doesn’t sound right. This is going to be weird.
Ronk325
Wow another overpay. New ownership, same old Mets
RunDMC
The real-life son (Pete Crow-Armstrong) of the mother in LITTLE BIG LEAGUE gets to play on the team in ROOKIE OF THE YEAR. Now, hire Daniel Stern as an equipment manager and LFG!
citizen
Baez and Trevor to go immediately to Mets dl. Yet another no power prospect for the scrubs.
Cosmo2
If it truly is Crow-Armstrong going over to the Cubs this is terrible. Terrible awful terrible
seaver41
Mets aren’t going far if Trevor Williams is the deadline pitching help….no freaking way. They could use another bullpen and rotation arm…..shoot I’d argue they still need 2 SPs since i don’t consider Trevor adequate.
Cosmo2
And instead we get an infielder who offers a slight upgrade in exchange for a recent first rounder. This frikkin’ team
tidybowlman
Are you trolling. Baez is a huge bat, gold glove and high energy. We gave up a nineteen-year-old who’s rehabbing his shoulder from surgery.
Cosmo2
Huge bat? He doesn’t even get on base 30% of the time. C’mon with this.
Canosucks
@seaver41 spot on and especially since the Phils got Gibson and Kennedy
baumrind973
I’ve been a Mets fan since their 4th year in baseball. My reaction is ‘Yawn’
tidybowlman
Um. Look up Baez stats and go watch clips of him on YT.
Cosmo2
I don’t care about clips on YT, I care about actually improving the team without punting the future.
tidybowlman
WTF did we punt? Baez is a potential MVP candidate entering his prime and we gave up a injured player.
circaflex
MVP? Entering his prime? Are we looking at the same Baez?
Cosmo2
Baez is not an MVP candidate. You are delusional. 108 OPS+. Not that great.
Cosmo2
I wish it was “yawn” for me. I hate this trade if the rumors on what we gave up are true.
ruckus727
Pete Crow-Armstrong and Nick Madrigal are an outstanding 1-2 in a future lineup. Great bat-to-ball and OB skills and speed at the top of the order. Brennan Davis looks like the real deal. If Christian Hernandez and Ed Howard work out could be a really athletic lineup. Looks like the new Cubbie core. Two of the kids from SD are performing well too. Just need to develop some arms for once.
msqboxer
I’m officially nicknaming Hoyer “the Sheep” because he always gets fleeced.
ABCD
I think you are wrong. He’s killing it. Especially the Madrigal pickup.
iml12
2 months of Baez and Williams for a first rounder seems solid to me. Better than a qualifying offer.
Turd McKenzie
I think it is a good deal and provides RH in a LH dominant lineup. Williams can eat some innings up and not require the Mets to keep giving Eickhoff like pitchers opportunities..
Jake1972
If that is all the Cubs are getting this is truly a bad trade!
Say Hey Now Kid
I just don’t get trading Crow-Armstrong when good defensive centerfielders are so hard to come by.
Say Hey Now Kid
Maybe I’ll get lucky and he turns out to be Billy Hamilton
af1257
So a strikeout prone shortstop and a mid level pitcher with a 5.00 plus era, both to be free agents in a few months, for the team’s number 5 overall prospect. Crowe Armstrong was so highly regarded that the Mets invited him to this years spring training before he saw his first minor league game, and they give him away for a pair of rentals??? Better hope we can get a productive year or two signed from Baez to give the illusion this was a good move. Is it me or does this trade wreak of desperation?? I guess Sandy was tired of everyone else swooping in to take advantage of the Cubs dumpster fire sale and felt obligated to do something too. Ugh!
ABCD
Trevor Williams is controlled in 2022. Enjoy!
af1257
I just saw, he’s arbitration eligible in 2022. So that’s the upside in all this I guess. Again….ugh!
Canosucks
@af1257 Spot on dude; thanks for saving me a few keyboard clicks!
bad bruce
I love the tears from all you Mets haters hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha
VonPurpleHayes
Honestly, I thought they would make a better move. I think the Braves improved the most at the deadline. Phillies and Mets improved too. This is going to be a wild race.
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The Braves didn’t make any Earth-shattering moves but they definitely improved the roster without giving up anything of significant value. At least there isn’t a huge hole in the bottom four spots of the lineup now.
Bill M
@ Von – Trade deadline grades:
Phillies B
Mets C
BravesC
Moneyballer
big win for cubs – stupid stupid stupid for the mets
Camden453
I like this trade in terms of playoff defense. Baez and Lindor up the middle and McNeil at 3rd. You can’t have Davis at 3rd in the playoffs
I think that’s their main thinking in making this trade plus to cover SS until Lindor gets back
Canosucks
Only problem with that logic is when the Phillies bag Gibson and Kennedy and we get Williams you aren’t going to have to worry about the playoffs infield.
Mets cash strap themselves with Lindor when you guarantee 10 years and in my opinion he then has no incentive to off field stretching and training programs and then gets a muscle pull you have to go out and rent a guy to play his spot? Oh yeah and screw up your #10 pick.
And I sadly as a long time Mets fan think it is not looking good.
Only bright spot is you didn’t get Bryant
seaver41
you forget they may not make the playoffs now -rotation is falling apart. WAlker hasn’t pitched but 67 innings over 3 years – what exactly do you expect from here on out? Megill? Rookie can’t be counted on. Rich Hill is done- TB dealt him cuz they know he was a sticky stuff guy with a DL stint lurking during every start. Mets didn’t improve staff today – huge mistake..
Say Hey Now Kid
Can’t wait to see how Mets22 spins this one
Canosucks
Shhhh! Enjoy the piece and quiet.
Camden453
Fans always dramatically overrate prospects. As a Mets fan I was never high on PCA. Projects to me like a light hitting backup outfielder
You get energy, maybe better clubhouse chemistry, solid defense, speed, and power with Baez, but the K and BB rates are a major negative
Guillorme can’t play SS every day but he grinds out at bats and has a .401 OBP in addition to very good defense at SS
mookiesboy
why not?
MetsMosLoyal 2
Wow it’s like we are a big market team lol… fun IF when Lindors healthy woah.
Cosmo2
Trading for Baez makes the Mets big market? Hate this trade.
mumsy01
McNeil was bad at 3rd. He can’t play it. I think Baez will play 3rd and go back and forth between 2nd and 3rd. Who comes off 40 man for Cookie, Baez, and Williams? Peraza?
Cosmo2
McNeil is fine at third. Not great but fine. And he’s a much better hitter than Baez.
mumsy01
I think Cubs won this one unless Baez re-signs. Crow Armstrong is years away and missed last year and most of this year.
mlbnyyfan
Funny how Mets only gave up one guy for Baez and Yankees get rapped giving up 4 for Gallo and 2 for Rizzo. Teams always ask more from Yankees.
1984wasntamanual
It’s almost like not all prospects hold the same value.
SeeUonTheUlnarSide
Mets trade a Low A player who is done for the year with a shoulder injury to pick up a (possible) 2 month rental at SS/2B and SP who can eat innings while the team gets healthy. While in principle, trading your #5 ranked prospect for uncontrolled talent is not a good practice, let me remind people that the Mets farm system isn’t deep like the Rays or Padres. So #5 for the Mets translates to #15 – 20 for deep organizations.
I think that the team made a smart trade, didn’t give up too much, and addressed two immediate needs in the process. Is this a Scherzer/ Turner acquisition? No. But it at least gives the team a fighting chance to hold on to 1st place until DeGrom and Lindor return.
Cosmo2
Crow-Armstrong is a first round pick, the Mets prospect depth has nothing to do with anything. But, it seems he may be damaged goods so maybe the trade isn’t that much of a travesty.
Canosucks
@SeeUonTheUlnarSide are you in any way affiliated with the Mets organization, their families or friends?
Phillies get Freddy Galvis, Gibson, and Kennedy; with a trade like this the only thing Mets fans are going to be holding on to is themselves.
Crow-Armstrong first round pick
Cosmo2
Yea I gotta laugh at the idea that a few weeks of Baez will let them hold onto anything they weren’t gonna hold anyway. If they’re in trouble, this move does nothing to change that.
alc47
The Mets #5 prospect doesn’t translate to 15-20. The Mets have one of the deepest top 10 prospect in baseball. 11-30 is weak.
junkmale
Crow-Armstrong usually develops nicely in OOTP. Baez ends up in AAA after 2022.
Spare Tire Dixon
They gave up Armstrong for this deal??
Canosucks
Yes they gave up Armstrong for this deal.
ABCD
I’ll miss Javy. El Mago. Champ.
MatthewLVT17
Hopefully they have confidence they can get an extension done with Baez. May mean trading Davis and see how McNeil does at 3rd, or go for a 3B and make sure you rest guys where McNeil gets his ABs, either at 2B, 3B, or LF. Once DH is in the NL, Alonso takes that, Dom Smith goes back to first, and McNeil can man LF with either Davis or our new 3B at third. This could work
mookiesboy
No
SheaGoodbye
So DeGrom is shut down for two more weeks. If he’s done for the season, which is a distinct possibility, what are we doing mortgaging the future when we’d have little chance to succeed in the postseason? Just dumb.
Wonder if Cohen had his fingerprints on this deal too just like he did with the Lindor signing. I hope not.
Oldschoolandthemets1980
Mortgaging the future lol, Crowe was one guy. He is also coming off a injury for next season so only time and god will know if he heals and performs. A prospect is just that, 1 out of maybe thousands actually turn out to be A mlb player and excel. Javy Baez is A proven commodity on A team that is built to win now. I do that trade any time. LGM
Very Barry
This one is for all the Cub fans who argued and got hostile with me the past two days for once again informing them that the team was in a FULL rebuild!!! I told you guys BEFORE the season that the Cubs were in a FULL rebuild they just hadn’t bothered to tell their fans that yet! There is nothing left but Jason Heyward. This is a FULL rebuild on the Northside just like I told you it was. Be glad. It is the CORRECT decision. It was just made 2 years too late.
Oldschoolandthemets1980
Not A cubbie fan but agree. They remind me of the Phillies back A few years ago,they also waited to long.
Cosmo2
How is this a “FULL” rebuild? They’re still just trading players who are free agents next year. You are mistaken in your I told you so. Trading Baez proves NOTHING.
Very Barry
It’s a FULL rebuild! Nothing left but the guy who is untradeable and that is Jason Heyward. You cannot build a contending roster off of free agency. Free agency is the worst place to spend money. Best value comes from trades at this time of year when teams are dumping. Cubs have no farm system. That has to be rebuilt! Best way to do that is to lose big and draft well. The next 3 or 4 years are going to be ugly on the northside. Ugly!!
Oldschoolandthemets1980
Pads should have swapped Heyward for Myers or Hosmer ,maybe a change of scenery gets them back some what a shell of there former selves.
Cosmo2
On the one hand you make a good point: very hard to rebuild a team through free agency. But trading players that won’t be around next year anyway doesn’t signify rebuild. I still say retool, they’ll be good within three years.
Very Barry
Saddest part for you Cub fans is that Jed Hoyer knows these guys ain’t gonna get “break the bank” money in free agency from other teams. Trading them now means they don’t have to pay them the money owed for being underpaid when the team was winning. Scoop them up at a discount after topping lowball offers from other teams.
Deleted_User
@Very Barry They wouldn’t have had to do that even if they did trade them.
JackStrawb
A shockingly stupid trade that barely moves the needle. Once Lindor returns Baez goes to 2B, McNeil moves to LF, and Dom is benched, further reducing the value of this pitifully misguided deal.
This latest inanity leaves Rich Hill, the oldest pitcher in baseball who the Rays were about to DFA, and his ERA of 5.40 over his last eight starts to wither in the rotation. The Mets FO is still so inept they couldn’t even snag Tyler Anderson, a durable, respectable #4 SP who the Mariners got for the fringiest of prospects, never mind a pitcher of the caliber of Kyle Gibson, who’s good enough to take some postseason starts.
So with deGrom out for at least another month it’s the unknowable Carrasco, Walker (who has out Eickhoffed Jerad Eickhoff in his last 3 starts and who has no track record of durability), Stroman (already up to 116 IP after 0 IP in 2020), Tylor Megill (admittedly a marvelous surprise, but with only 45 innings above A ball before 2021), and the ancient Hill.
Baez and his 89 OPS+ over his last 150 games is the kind of pickup an overwhelmed, inept owner and bumbling FO make after asking each other, agape, “How can we best look busy here?” The front office didn’t get one MLB-caliber arm—not even a decent reliever to help out a bullpen under strain. If they don’t believe in the team, how can we?
Cosmo2
Yep, JackStrawb, you nailed it
User 624265706
You know, the Cubs played better earlier in the season when their veteran players WEREN’T playing. Let’s see what the kids, who played great during the first part of the season, do now. How much you want to bet the team plays better now?
G-Force
One more Rican on the Mets and soon they’ll start looking like PR’s WBC national baseball team. I count three studs so far (Diaz, Lindor, Baez) but maybe there are more that I’m forgetting.
Peart of the game
It helps to have better infield defense and more pitching depth. Ideally, Williams would be a swingman/multi inning reliever if it wasn’t for all the injuries the Mets continue to suffer. It’s like the injury bug really is thirsty for Mets fans tears.