The Mariners are finalizing an agreement to acquire reliever Diego Castillo from the Rays, reports Jeff Passan of ESPN (Twitter link). In return, Seattle is sending fellow bullpen arm JT Chargois and third base prospect Austin Shenton to Tampa Bay, reports Ryan Divish of the Seattle Times (Twitter link).
Castillo steps in, presumably, as the piece that Seattle GM Jerry Dipoto foreshadowed two days ago when the Mariners sent breakout closer Kendall Graveman to their division rival in Houston. Castillo reinforces Seattle’s bullpen not only now, but into the future. Unlike Graveman, who is a free agent at the end of the season, Castillo will remain under Seattle’s control through the 2024 season. He will be eligible for arbitration for the first time this winter.
The Rays, after all, often treat arbitration the way other franchises treat impending free agency, so it’s not a shock to see them move off Castillo, much like they did with shortstop Willy Adames earlier this season.
That said, Castillo had taken on a more premium position in Tampa’s bullpen than ever before this season, slotting in as their nominal closer. In 37 appearances, Castillo marked a 2.72 ERA/3.16 FIP across 36 1/3 innings while notching 14 saves, two more than he’d had overall in his career before the start of the season.
He’s striking out more batters than ever with a very strong 33.8 percent strikeout rate. He’s limiting free passes with a career-best 6.9 percent walk rate. The Mariners will be able to slot Castillo directly into Graveman’s vacated closer role, should they so choose.
As for the Rays, they are taking yet another opportunity to restock their farm system. Shenton was the Mariners’ 12th-ranked prospect per Baseball America. The 23-year-old third baseman started the year in High-A before earning a promotion to Double-A with a .295/.418/.576 line through 273 plate apperances.
The other piece in the deal, Chargois, should step into Castillo’s spot in the bullpen, if not his exact role. Chargois, 30, doesn’t have Castillo’s pedigree, but he’s been perhaps as effective this season, pitching to a 3.00 ERA/3.19 FIP across 30 innings for the Mariners. He’s slider-dominant with a 95.8 mph sinker to compliment, utilized more heavily against right-handers.
He seems to have figured out the control problems that plagued him in his youth. Chargois has a 5.1 percent walk rate this season after posting a double-digit percentage from 2015 through 2019 while bouncing between the upper minors and Majors with the Twins and Dodgers. As a cheap, rehabilitated arm with a keen point-of-view on the mound, Chargois fits the Rays’ profile to a tee.
As a Rays fan (among other teams) when Castillo comes into a game in the late innings, I feel like a Phillies fan watching Héctor Neris walking to the mound.
Why?
Rays gunna Ray
Cause he relies on his slider near or off the plate to make up for his fastball velo dropping like a rock. When his command is on, he’s still great, but when it isn’t, get buckled up for a long inning and a lot of baserunners.
That’s insane he’s five times better than Neris
5 times better than neris is still PLENTY bad.
He has a career ERA under 4.00 despite his years as the closer.
Stop talking nonsense.
that’s generous to Neris
Neris was solid to very good in the 7th inning for years. Stop blaming him for the Phillies idiotically making him a closer.
Samuel, kinda like us Mets fans when Diaz comes in for the 9th, right?? lol
Lol Neris? He has a career ERA under 4 despite his years as the closer. He was solid to very good in the 7th in the years prior to that.
You want to talk about bad relievers, let’s talk about Clay Condrey and Luis Garcia or even Ryan Franklin. It didn’t matter what inning they came in. They were blowing it. Kind of like Kintzler this year.
wut
I get your car towed all the way to your house and all you’ve got for me is light beer?
yes
Don’t be so gullible, McFly
Thanks for the context. I was trying to figure out the quote and now it’s like “duh!”
Now Biff I never noticed a blind spot
I spilled beer on my clothes when I got into that accident, who’s gonna pay my cleaning bill?
@cubanmonie-Don’t bring me into this
Monty is back! Where you been?
Big time Dipoto move. Graveman replacement, but under control until 2025. Gravedigger will be a FA in ’22.
LOL
Guess you don’t watch Rays games.
If he gets you out of the inning it’ll take 15-20 minutes and at least 20 pitches.
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Yes – everything Dipoto does is a big time move.
That’s why his teams are always in the championship series during the playoffs.
Churn that roster!
I’ve seen him pitch and his stuff is electric. His peripherals are all great, he’s young and cost controlled.
Good luck with Chargois. He’s mediocre. Shenton might be something, might not be as with most prospects. Rack it up as a loss for the Tampons
On second thought, maybe you’re right. What do I know? I’ve just watched him pitch numerous times. (His stuff is so “electric” it often moves rights out of the strike zone before passing home plate.) I mean peripherals and all.
Decides, Dipoto always steals teams out of their quality players, while who even remembers back to when the Rays weren’t last fleeced in a deal.
You’ve got Jake Cronenwortg scratching his head over here…
Willy Adames says hello from Milwaukee.
You know the Rays though, can’t ever count out a trade for them.
The Rays lost this trade?
Good sir, miss; I respectfully disagree with your opinion.
@ Gwynning;
I like Jake Cronenwortg.
I like Brandon Lowe, Joey Wendle and Wander Franco more.
Silly me. I watch teams play baseball to see who wins the game – not to see who pads their stats. But I’m working on improving myself. I’ve enrolled at an adult education class at the local high school – ‘Understanding Baseball Peripheral Statistics – Why Winning Teams Aren’t Good and Losing Teams Are’.
Maybe while you’re there you’ll read Don Quixote
Got it. Teams who deal with the Rays and the baseball world says WHAT?? will be again shown that there’s a reason for this move. Personally you don’t trade bullpen pieces while in a pennant race, but these are the Rays, so…..
Tampons.
So original.
How many World Series have you even BEEN to with all of the talent you’ve had over the years?
Oh, less than a team that constantly runs on half of your payroll? How embarrassing.
@ Steve Nebraska;
Just don’t take your Stephan Colbert imitation to anyone versed in the subject matter.
Stay in your lane. You have a lot of fans here.
@ qbert1996;
There is no better example of why the Rays keep winning than the Willy Adames trade. However, I’m sure the facts would confuse you.
Going one step further – I think there is a decent chance that the Brewers go to the WS this year, and of course Mr. Adames will be a major reason why.
Willy absolutely sucked with the Rays they tried for many years…. getting back two relievers who have been lights out since coming over couldn’t be the furthest thing from a fleece. And Adames had to go for Franco
As an Ms fan, hard disagree. How is Chargois mediocre when 1) he has been consistent all year, and 2) his ERA is only .28pts higher than Castillo’s? How can Castillo be have “elite stuff” but not be that much of an improvement over Chargois. If it was a straight across trade it’s essentially a lateral move. But the Ms lose out bc they give up Shenton, a quality 3rd base prospects. So lost a good prospect & Chargois for a guy, just like Chargois, to replace graveman
They are just making space for the Kimbrel for Greg Jones and the corpse of Kiermeier trade.
Lots of ex-Rays doing great on other teams right now. Even better then they did with the Rays. I’ve been a Rays fan my whole life and I don’t see how a Rays fan can get excited about this trade.
To start – addition by subtraction.
You don’t want that guy pitching at important times during games down the stretch, or in the playoffs.
He’s far too inconsistent.
He’s fine with a rebuilding team where fans look at overall statistics and talk about the future.
Rays fan here, and neither of them has been “lights out” so far. Rasmussen has real promise but so far he’s been so-so. Feyer has had an ERA+ double his actual ERA and despite great stuff has been very hittable and kind of wild. That trade might work out in the long run, but so far it’s still just clearing a spot for Wander and/or Walls.
Like that Blake Snell guy, eh?
KJT404: On Chargois- I believe his ERA was actually lower than Castillo the day before the trade. Shaggy came in for 0.1 inn v HOU on Wed, maybe he was affected by the KG trade from the day before? Who knows? Fact is, he hadn’t given up 3ER to 1 batter in a very long time, if at all. Those 3ER in 0.1 inn would’ve raised his ERA considerably.
The Rays churn their roster more than anytime in baseball.
Mariners players will probably cry about this too.
You obviously don’t understand what they said. The GM has had zero communication with his players. Then his throws a wrench in the team by getting rid of the best bullpen arm and solid team leader. I’d be pissed too if I was in that organization.
I’ve forgotten, who runs the team?
Trade ’em all….to Tx, Balt and Colo.
Pfeifer- a little more context may help.
The week before, although the team was a few handful of games over .500 Graveman may have felt like the team could still move him. Its Dipoto after all. He wouldn’t have felt 100% secure.
Going into last Fridays 4g series v OAK, The players would’ve heard its own media say “This next homestand vs OAK and HOU should help determine whether they’re fully committed to being buyers and sellers”
They take 3 out of 4 v OaK – thx to that BP, in 12.2 inn the BP gave up 4 H w 16 K/o’s. He’s def feeling much more secure now. The night before the trade the M’s have, honestly, one of their greatest Wins of all time. An epic emotional rollercoaster. A mega Win! Down 7-0 by top of the 4th they come back, top it off w a grand slam in the 8th to win 11-8. Graveman pitched the top of the 8th so he wouldve been there to see and live that slam. More importantly he wouldve been there to see JP, the very next batter get hit in the back near the head right after Moore hit the slam. He and his teammates would’ve been raging at those Astros and their coaches. They WERE raging.
Next day he comes to the ballpark, riding high, the team just won 4 straight, they’re 9g above .500 and now only 1.0g behind the WC. What a game what a night…..then- “hey Kendall skipper wants to see you.”
KG would’ve been pissed- you’re trading me to who!!!?? For 2 yrs he’s thought of them as the enemy, the cheaters, and now Dipoto wants to strengthen the only weakness the Astros have? Their BP? So yea- there might’ve been some emotions and there might have been some things said when u stick a microphone in front of a player just minutes after the trade
Not so sure I’d be overly pleased with this deal, either. Shenton is a good.
Has anyone ever told you that you’re an a-hole?
Is the A-hole comment aimed at Michelle Pfeiffer’s adolescent son?
You learn that a popular teammate is traded to a team you’re trying to catch in the standings and who you are currently playing. Your exceeding everyone’s expectations and you think you have a chance to stun the experts. You might get emotional if this happened to you, or maybe you’re a robot.
Seattle has a -58 run differential. They are not exceeding expectations. They are historically playing above their heads. Regression is coming and dipoto knows it. Toro is not a star but hes going to prolly be an average big leaguer which is very valuable especially when u cost nothing.
That’s not what this discussion is about. It’s about someone mocking players getting emotional over losing a teammate. The GM is going to do what he thinks is best for the team in the long run. This isn’t about that.
There’s no chance at catching the Astros… That whole discussion of chasing them down and trading to a rival is nonsense. The move made sense, and in no time at all had been resolved. The M’s just took care of the Then and Now, still in a good spot to claim a WC spot
Typical ignorant comment. You probably don’t realize that -42 runs was over a 3.5 week stretch in May. They’ve been pretty close to even in RD since then, until the last two games versus a team that’s clearly superior.
Buddyboy- exactly! Since May 24, the day after the Padres sweep the only AL team to have a better record in the 2 months leading up to the HOU series was the Astros!! The M’s were +13 RDiff over that 2 month stretch. In fact over the last month dating from 6/24, the M’s were w/o 2 SP’s in their rotation, 2 starting OF’s, a 2B, back end RP’er and their gold glove 1B. Despite those injuries they tied HOU for the best Win% in all of MLB at .667! Better than SF, LA and BOS…..how do you like them apples!?
It was more so that it was unexpected, they just won games against division rival and then trade to division rival
Solid move by the Mariners to address the hole that they literally just created.
Celebrate getting worse at the position!
While there may have been a difference in performance between Graveman and Castillo leading up to the trade theres absolutely no guarantee Graveman will stay healthy down the stretch. Theres a slight injury risk there- w him already been out 4-6 weeks this yr. You also cant compare the DC for KG replacement w/o mentioning the fact that we acquired a good young player (Toro) who instantly makes the lineup better. Better offense could balance out any difference in BP WAR. He will become Kyle Seagers replacement for 3.0 seasons worth of club control- a tremendous amount of value for a 60 day rental.
Replacing Graveman with Castillo isn’t a “big move”, its one that wrecks a clubhouse. Dipoto is a moron.
Rude
Quit your nonsense and contribute something meaningful besides one word nothing
As you proceed to add absolutely nothing to the conversation. Pot kettle black something something something.
User above is a moron. Castillo is much younger, great peripherals and 3 more years of control. This year is more of an outlier for Graveman.
User above has 0 idea what he’s talking about and I’m guessing you do too.
He is building for a few years down the line. He has really really good young talent that is starting to make their way up. They don’t need right now, however they have a chance to make the playoffs so he is filling with players that don’t cost but give him a chance. I like what he is doing.
Actually you are the moron. Which explains why you are an A’s fan
I didn’t like the Graveman trade but Dipoto is a realist. This team isn’t going anywhere this year despite the good feelings for a weekend. Graveman is due to cash in as a free agent. The vets that haven’t taken us to the playoffs can be pissed all they want…they’ll be gone soon too. We’re not competing with Seager, Tom Murphy and other stop gaps. Logan Gilbert is here and the other young stud arms are coming.
A’s fan in Brixton! – the players were interviewed moments after the trade, of course they were crushed at the time. That’s natural. Many of the players said their comments because they believed the club would be sellers instead of buyers. That one single move would not have helped the team get better however- since the Toro move JD has shown he’s improved the team by adding a mid rotation SP, AAA SP depth and the Rays closer. Besides you saw how fired up those players were when Toro hit a 2R HR in his first game off the bench in the 9th inn. One of the Clubhouse leaders, JP Crawford was jacked up as he celebrated w Toro on the top step of the dugout.
That clubhouse was fine after the damaging remarks by that idiot team President- Stanton. In fact that adversity made them stronger. Theres no reason the KG trade cant do the same.
Who we give.ip cuz dude is filthy
Is this what Dipoto meant when he said the Hunter trade will make sense later?
Rays clearing money for Berrios?
That was my thought.
He’s only making the minimum, but then it is Tampa…
Twins could be creating a nice little bidding war for his services but it’s their best pitcher in a market with not too many impact arms on the move. Plus Berrios can be unstoppable at times. Filthy stuff.
Sell a closer, buy a closer…
So…Rays in on Kimbrel?
This is the deal Dipoto needed to make to save face and show his face around that clubhouse
Losing JT Chargois doesn’t improve the bullpen though. It’s two subtractions and one addition…
Castillo is far better than Chargois, zero doubt on that.
Could be the wackiest deadline in awhile.These pieces moving all over the league are landing in random spots.
Probably want more tonight and tomorrow.like this. Maybe on Story or Blackmon and Gray or Marquez.
People are idiots. Mariners got a really good prospect for 2 months of Graveman. And now they pick up a guy that is under team control till 2024. This is smart moves.
And will probably sign gravey back this off-season.
Chargois is under team control until 2026, and while older, has very similar numbers this season.
Chargois was released by the Dodgers on December, 28 2019. That should have ended team control and made Chargois a straight up free agent regardless of what Spotrac is showing.
I must be missing something.
Exactly. Feel good vibes don’t get you to the playoffs, sustainable production sure helps.
Agreed. Getting an everyday player for a one-inning pitcher is an excellent move. Hitters hovering around the Mendoza line and pitchers with ERAs above 5.00 should stop whining and start producing.
Don’t forget all the closer types coming back next season. Giles/Munoz and I think Dunn and Sheffield will make good long relief guys too. It’s looking really good for 2022.
I agree about the bullpen in the future, although I think Dunn can be an elite closer.
Too bad the guy they got under team control really sucks! Would you deal chargois for what they got for graveman? It’s a more lateral move than you think and the bullpen is decimated.
Dude, the Mariners had five relievers with an ERA under 2.30 AFTER trading Graveman. Diego is a far more talented pitcher than JT. The bullpen is not a concern..
The Fernando Rodney Experience 2.0
Mariners just got rid of Rafael Montero
3.0
The Rays turn out more bullpen arms than Heidi Fleiss’s little black book
I don’t understand moving Chargois at this point.
Probably lessed the prospect and cleared 40 man spot
At first I was like, what? But then I see this young hitting prospect they get in return. TB is shrewd.
Best front office in baseball, IMHO. Just imagine what they could do with $200 million per year…
They would pocket $140 million and still get the same results.
The Rays are never afraid to trade anybody.
With the Mariners they’re not because they win every damn time. I think Jerry is a blood relative of Jack Z.
These teams are so familiar trading partners that Dipoto could make a killing selling fleece jackets at the Trop dome.
I like this move yes Graveman was playing great, but be fair he has not been good in his career. And Casttio is younger has more control and to be honesty maybe a better track record
Graveman was a starter until last season, then converted to the bullpen instead of retiring due to medical reasons. Different attitude, different mindset.
WHIP went down, K/9 went way up, HR/9 way down. That’s why he looks like a diffferent pticher, because he is.
Expected era still over 3. Good sell high for them. Toro was a good get.
Absolutely. But you can’t argue the turnaround he’s made since the spinal tumor was found.
You do know that he’s now a reliever and not a started right?
Yep. DiPoto looking to build a consistent winner. Don’t forget they have Giles stashed away for 2022 along with Munoz, who has a good deal of potential. The makings of an excellent bullpen moving forward. Factor in other injured pitchers like Dunn and Sheffield and they’ve got some pitching depth. Spring training will be mighty interesting. I get fans wanting to break the playoff hex but, in my opinion, DiPoto is taking the proper approach. Controllable pitching with bonafide Major League arms on the farm when injuries arise.
Hey it wouldn’t be trading season if Neander and DiPoto didn’t make patty cake….
Chargois isn’t arb-eligible for another year; Castillo is due this year. It’s the Rays; Nuff said.
But Shenton’s a pretty good prospect. Makes sense both ways.
I am. It even sure Castillo is much better than Chargois anyways. I guess Castillo has closing experience.
I am kind of surprised the constant churning by the rays of key players doesn’t cause clubhouse issues. I mean you can do this stuff in MLB the show but would think guys would struggle with key contributors being traded all the time even if they are good baseball moves. Look at how Seattle flipped out about Graveman.
Rays setting up for Kimbrel to Rays?
This feels like “don’t trade with the Rays concerning pitchers they know well” territory. Bet they know something Mariners don’t, like they did with Blake Snell and Chris Archer.
Colome was very good for the Mariners a couple years ago after an in season trade or does that not count?
Castillo is a big loss, Part of our 98rs. His fastball is not as reliable lately. What are we getting?
Know nothing about either guy coming back but I’m guessing it’s due to Castillo being arbitration eligible after this year…I’ll be honest I’m shocked KK is still there
I think it has more to do with Castillo’s fastball velo being down about 5mph since 2019, which is pretty significant. His effectively wild approach isn’t quite as dominant when he’s running mid-90s instead of upper 90s.
Is anderson expected to be back this year?
Pretty soon, yeah, he’s doing a rehab stint in the minors right now. Probably some time in the next two weeks?
So we just traded 2.1 worth of WAR for .7 WAR. Totally makes sense. F you Jerry. I had so much faith in you.
Why are you adding up the WAR for all players M’s traded in 2 separate trades but only comparing to 1 player they received in 1 trade? If you are combining Graveman and Chargois you need to combine Toro and Castillo. Also subtract the -1.8 from Montero and the -0.4 they received with Smith.
It doesn’t matter what they’ve already done. It’s what they might do in the future. That’s where talent evaluation and player development come in. Mariners are still a work-in-progress. I’ve watched Toro-Hernandez and feel he is a chance worth taking, especially in a trade for a reliever. We all know how up-and-down bullpen guys are. Graveman was at the height of his trade value and DiPoto cashed him in. It remains to be seen how it turns out. For now, it gives the Mariners a tiny bit more to look forward to in the future. Hopefully, they find a taker for Seager over the winter.
The most realistic and informed fan I’ve seen today talking some sense
Thanks. Watching your favorite team move toward the end of a rebuild isn’t easy. Fans want a playoff berth so people will stop teasing them around the office. Mariners fans just have to be a tiny bit more patient. It’s tough to do but will feel great when the breakthrough happens. A productive Toro-Hernandez will go a long way toward erasing that unsightly run differential, as will Rodriguez, a much-improved Kelenic, and pitching depth. Lots of youthful potential on the roster. Compared to the other teams in the division, DiPito has done a nice job timing this rebuild. It will happen. Soon.
Seager is a FA this winter so they don’t need to find a taker for him. He can go anywhere he wants
alund24, thanks. I didn’t realize his contract was finally at an end.
They don’t need someone to take on Seager over the winter since his contract will be over. His option only vests if he is traded it
This all relies on if Abraham Toro produces. If he does, Dipoto looks like a genius.
Sometimes I feel like the Rays and Mariners GMs think they’re playing fantasy baseball they just wanna add and drop players left and right I don’t get this deal for the Rays but hey what do I know ♂️
Chargois has gotten very good results this season. But with that said, I feel zero comfort watching him pitch like you would with most relievers with his stats. Sounds like Rays fans feel the same way about Castillo. Castillo still has more upside than Chargois, so this seems like a pretty fair deal.
Chargois got decent results as a Dodger, but I wasn’t upset when he left. With the Mariners now accruing some legitimate pitching talent, he was destined to be an odd man out. Also gotta remember the trade deadline isn’t over. It could be a classic case of a team buying and selling simultaneously. Mariners fans just have to be a little more patient. Good times are coming.
Hard to watch Diego sometimes as a Rays fan, nasty stuff but gets into too many bad spots more often than not. I’ve stated previously that it doesn’t matter the prospects that come with these small trades, Rays will develop most of these guys into competent players or raise their stock and trade them for assets.
Besides, Nick Anderson is due back soon so we don’t really need him.
Neander seems like he’s got something big coming. Has to with Rizzo & Gallo going to NY, and BOS surely to do something. I’m guessing Berrios & Schawarber. Book it.
Minnesota has played the Berrios thing well. They should net an excellent return on him and perhaps Maeda’s team-friendly contract. An advantage to Maeda is he has pitched well as a post-season reliever. I’m kinda rooting for the Rays though I’m a Dodger fan. Getting both of those pitchers would be fantastic and economical. And, of course, Schwarber. Berrios and Maeda would give them a lot of innings.
Yeah they have. And there aren’t a lot of teams like the Rays who have the farm to make this trade. I agree that Maeda does have that experience and I kind of like the idea of getting all three. But the Rays are gonna Ray, they’ll get just ONE (praying for two) star(s) and figure out the postseason with minor league depth, DFA’s or “underwhelming trades” like this one. The next couple days will be fun to watch!
If you look at that Top 60 trade candidates list MLB Trade Rumors posted a few days ago, only 9 have been moved. I jotted down their names, checklist-style. Neither Maeda nor Schwarber was on the list. Neither was Danny Duffy. Gonna be a crazy 20 hours.
Rays have soooo many pitchers to move- sure KK is expensive but McKay and a couple others could leave for nothing and they better get to moving them.
Let’s just chalk this up as a pretty even trade. Diego is good, but those FIP numbers (especially last year), are definitely concerning. But, he is still a closer that will hover around a 3.5 ERA, maybe better with a good defense (which the Mariners have). They also could have Giles next year if he is healthy again, at which point Giles is the closer and Castillo goes to a setup or relief role.
Mariners needed to replace Graveman, and did so rather cheaply with Castillo being controlled until 2025. They got 4 years of control of Toro for 2 months of Graveman, and could re-sign him at year end too. Rays can develop pitchers, as we’ve clearly seen too, so they will be fine (and probably already have a new closer in mind in their own system).
The Mariners’ true range for contention starts in ’22 or ’23. Castillo falls more in line with that timeline, as does Toro. Solid moves on their part.
Not sure he’ll be wanting to resign after the way this trade went down
This move is for next year and the year after.
If anyone thinks a team with a -54 run differential is competing for a wild card, I have some magic beans to sell you.
They’ve competed thus far, and are just now starting to get a little hot.
So…who is the closer now for the Rays with Castillo gone a d Fairbanks on the IL? I know they have a committee but the committee just took two hits.
Nick Anderson, when he returns. Until then, maybe Fairbanks.
Fairbanks is out for 10 days. What happens if Anderson isn’t effective?
To answer this a bit more accurately it’s probably gonna be either Kittredge or Jeffrey Springs closing games. They have Jake Reed who they can recall from Durham, and probably add Chargois to that list. Place a bandaid until Archer, Fairbanks, Drake, Roe, Thompson etc. come back. Cash will figure it out.
Chargois isn’t closing anything but the clubhouse door. He’s a good guy for the 6th-7th inning
Craig Kimbrel, come on down…
The Rays have a ton of high-ceiling MI in the minors, and after emphasizing the position when they were rebuilding the Cubs are very weak at MI at AAA/AA.
At first, this move may seem like a head scratcher from the Rays perspective, but it could turn out pretty well for them. Chargois has looked very decent this season, and the Rays have no shortage of bullpen arms, including a few key late inning types (Nick Anderson, Colin Poche) that should be returning from injury relatively soon. The big get for them in this deal is Shenton. Don’t overlook that kid, he can hit and should be MLB ready sooner than later. Rays may have just landed their future every day 1B/3B.
I’m a huge Rays fan but the front office is over-rated they lose at trades a LOT and they draft poorly. They use a variation of a Chuck Tanner opener plan from the 70’s and rely on varying arm angles. At bat they kill so many hitters with a take 2 strike to drive up pitch counts. There’s some I love, some I hate but it works for them.
Still better at drafting than my team (Yankees).
Name 3 trades they’ve lost in the past 3 years. I know your #1 answer and I’m gonna argue but go ahead and list them. This FO is by far the best in baseball and it’s not even close, furthest thing from overrated
You’re wrong but go on.
Playoffs? I think Castillo has more playoff innings pitched than the whole Mariner’s bullpen.
Now what makes you think that?
This is a horrible trade
Not for the M’s my man.
TB new closer-by-committee when Fairbanks & Nick Anderson returns from IL?
In other Ray’s news does anyone know why Nelson Cruz was out of the starting lineup the past 2 days? He did pinch hit yesterday but wasn’t in today’s lineup either. The Ray’s just traded for this guy.
Fouled a ball off his foot and he’s getting off his feet for a little while. X-Rays came up negative, so it’s not anything serious, just needs a little time.
Run differential, games behind, division rivals…..guys the mariners are not a playoff team, they won a lot of games when the games didnt matter. The losses are coming, stop thinking about what the mariners need to do to win this season and worry about continuing to add prospects for when you actually have a chance to win. Wake up!! Mariners are going nowhere in 2021 idc what the record says, or where they stand it means jacks***
Just goes to show, as much as all of us who comment think we know…..we really aren’t privy to the inside info that really matters and determines how these trades go down.!
All Shenton has done is rake, and I’m afraid that we might be watching him rake with the rays in a few years. Just a bad trade. I was all about DiPoto, but after this trade deadline he’s made me a very unhappy Mariners fan. He better hope Toro hits because people are not going to forget if he doesn’t. As far as this trade goes, regardless of how Castillo performs, giving up Shenton in a deal for him is an idiotic move.
This trade has nothing to do with money. God that tired lazy cliche about the Rays. Castillo is averaging 94.5 on his sinker this year down from 98 years prior. The Rays obviously see trend downward in stuff. Chargois basically has the exact same profile as Castillo but with 2 ticks better on the sinker. He also comes with an extra year of control and we got a very good prospect back (if you don’t follow the Rays Shenton fits into the mold of player they’ve been trading/drafting for – good contact/approach guys with some power (see: Heriberto / Curtis Mead / Manzardo, etc.).
Chargois / Castillo is basically a lateral move. (Look at Chargois xFIP’s the last 3 years (3.2 to 3.5)) + We got a great spect in Shenton. Neander playing 10D Chess while commenters and writers are stuck in the stone age. I expect Castillo to go downhill next year.
Agree with everything your wrote, but as I wrote above…….
If you’re a Rays fan or in their FO, do you want Castillo pitching at an important juncture of a game down the stretch against a contender, or in a playoff game, knowing the other relief pitchers available on your roster?
What the fans don’t get is that the Rays (and many other teams) look at where they want to be at the end of the year – winning the WS – and work backwards. They want their best players for the situation on the field at the critical times. I believe they’ve seen enough of Castillo to know that they can’t afford to chance putting him that sort of situation. Perhaps more than any other group of players, a relief pitcher can ruin an entire season. This guy is far too inconsistent to be on a playoff roster other than maybe as a mop-up guy.
Castillo is inconsistent when he has a BB rate of 6.9%
Would I prefer Chargois in that situation? If Nick Anderson is his 2019 self in a week we won’t care, but to me this feels like a gamble that the Rays think Chargois has made a real improvement and is the pitcher he’s been this year and not the pitcher he’s been the rest of his career. If he is, this is the MLB equivalent of a wash trade. If not, this makes the team worse now and is confusing for a team that should be in the playoffs this year.
Now if M’s can pick up a Whitt Merrifield or Jonathan Schoop to play 2nd they will make it interesting.
Schoop would be awesome but he would be pricey. Better to try and sign in the offseason and use trade chips to trade for Berrios IMO.
This move was a masterstroke, but they failed to really sell high on Graveman. i dont get what either of these teams are doing.
Mr. Shelton has a very serious mustache…..
Here comes Mr. Castillo.
There goes the post game
buffet…..
And right on queue, Castillo blows his first save opportunity. Thanks DiPoto