The Mariners have been one of the most surprising contenders of the 2021 season to date. Manager Scott Servais entered the season with a six-man rotation and a host of exciting young outfielders getting ready to traverse the grass at T-Mobile Park, but expectations were low for a franchise with zero World Series appearances and no playoff appearances since 2001.
Both droughts are likely to continue into 2022, but there’s at least a chance that the Mariners could continue their upward trajectory and push for a playoff spot this season. With the trade deadline two weeks away, the Mariners are 49-43, on pace for 86 wins and just 3.5 games out of a wild card spot. In fact, they have the best record in the American League for a team not currently in a playoff spot, putting them in prime position to be surprise buyers at the deadline.
GM Jerry Dipoto has his ear to the ground, as ever, though it sounds like he’s still vacillating between the buyers and sellers line. Per The Athletic’s Corey Brock, Dipoto offered this recent assessment: “Our bullpen has been awesome, and it was roughly a number of guys who no one has ever heard of that just needed another chance. That’s put us in a really good position right now to be able to make a more aggressive play in the next two, three weeks if the opportunity presents itself. But we’re not going to push the opportunity because we believe this is a window that is open and we want to make sure it stays open. We don’t want to shortchange our long term.”
Their greatest need, should they want to wrench that window open right now, would be to add another starter to an injury-depleted rotation. Logan Gilbert has emerged as an exciting young arm, and Marco Gonzales is healthy again alongside Yusei Kikuchi and Chris Flexen, but they also have nearly a full rotation on the injured list.
As Dipoto noted above, the bullpen has helped shoulder the load thanks to surprisingly competent seasons from Kendall Graveman, JT Chargois, Paul Sewald, and Drew Steckenrider, a foursome that’s accrued 3.3 fWAR of their league-leading 4.5 bullpen fWAR. The Mariners have made a practice of trading away relievers over the years, but this time around they might choose to hold onto a few of them, especially if they can’t find the rotation help they need.
That said, it’s just as likely that Trader Jerry stays true to his history and deals an arm or two to a contender. Brock suggests that Graveman is the most likely Mariner to find himself in a new uniform by August, which certainly makes some sense given his breakout season. Graveman is a free agent at the end of the year, and right now he’s presenting as a difference-maker, a transition from starter to high-leverage arm that began last season. He has locked down eight saves as the Mariners’ closer, pitching to a sterling 0.93 ERA/3.03 FIP across 29 innings.
Even if the Mariners do decide to sell a piece or two, don’t expect Mitch Haniger to be an easy get. Brock notes that Haniger “isn’t likely to be moved unless the Mariners are floored by a deal.”
On the one hand, that might be surprising given the plethora of promising young outfielders in the organization, well-known prospects like Jarred Kelenic, Jake Fraley, Kyle Lewis, Julio Rodriguez and Taylor Trammell. For now, however, Lewis is hurt, Rodriguez has just 14 games of experience in Double-A, and Kelenic and Trammell have stumbled at the big league level with marks of 12 wRC+ and 74 wRC+, respectively.
In the plus column, Fraley has absolutely raked to a 143 wRC+ by way of a .237/.409/.439 triple slash — buoyed by an above-average .202 ISO and eye-opening 22.1 percent walk rate that would be first overall in the game among qualified hitters if he had more plate appearances. Fraley doesn’t have the prospect pedigree of those other names, however, and it’ll take more than 149 plate appearances to anoint him as an above-average regular.
Which is the point, really, both behind Haniger’s value on the trade market and the Mariners’ desire to keep him. Injuries have slowed his ascension to stardom, but since his arrival in Seattle, he’s been a 127 wRC+ hitter with 78 home runs and a .269/.343/.489 triple slash line across 1,751 plate appearances. He’s 30 years old, and with one more season of team control remaining, it’s easy to understand why contenders might ask about his availability.
Despite Haniger’s importance to this lineup, however, and despite the Mariners having a chance to make a run at the playoffs, Trader Jerry likes to deal. Speculatively speaking, Dipoto likely would prefer to get the godfather offer for Haniger that forces his hand, and maybe that makes him more inclined to see that offer where it doesn’t exist. But by all accounts, Dipoto is content to hold him through the deadline.
He could, after all, explore a trade in the offseason. Besides, with Lewis hurt and Rodriguez not yet ready, there’s no real rush to vacate Haniger’s plate appearances. There’s enough run to go around if Servais wants to see Haniger, Fraley, Trammell, and Kelenic all in the lineup at the same time, though that hasn’t been the case thus far.
Still, expect Dipoto to do something. At the very least, he sounds likely to acquire some kind of starting pitcher, with the real question being the quality of arm he’s able/willing to procure.
Champagne
True to the Trident (a Mariners’ fansite) dropped a semi-sizable bomb on their latest podcast this week that they’ve heard from a source Haniger wants out and the Ms want to make it happen. Hasn’t been picked up by any of the beat writers, but Divish’s recent article about Haniger and the Mariners unable to agree on an extension of any kind seems to back that up to a degree. I guess the nice thing is it’s not a distraction-level issue, if true, so Jerry can wait out the market and, like this piece said, wait for a solid offer to make it happen.
BuddyBoy
Fake news
tanner829 2
Another believer in “new”cause someone on the internet wrote it Lol. Haniger hasn’t said he wants out-he’s under control and has no leverage- which makes that “news” absolutely a joke. Seattle will probably try to extend him, if they can’t then he’s traded. Easy as that
Champagne
Maybe, and they could be totally wrong, as could I! It happens! Like I said, no other legit outlet has picked it up, but the Divish article about there being no traction in extension talks lends some credence, IMO. Doesn’t have to in yours, and that’s fine.
Stevil
They’re not a legit outlet. They’re a simple blog that speculates like everyone here, and they’ve been in the trade-him camp for a long time.
Ryan Divish noted that there was apparently an extension offer made some time ago that was rejected. They’re probably playing off that.
24TheKid
Wouldn’t surprise me if that were true, but I put absolutely zero stock in anything that comes from True to The Trident (formerly Sodo Mojo). Seems like they just took a well calculated risk putting that info out as they continue to try and rebuild their brand.
prf999
Sodo Mojo still exists.
24TheKid
Yes, but the true to the trident people formally ran that account/blog until they were fired by Fan Sided. Eventually Fansided hired new people to take over the Twitter and blog which is who you are referring to.
prf999
I don’t disagree, but “formerly” indicates name change, not people change.
24TheKid
I apologize if that mistake made it so you couldn’t understand my point.
ayrbhoy
“True to the Trident hahaha” You might as well have said “my pal Eddie the Wrench works in concessions at T-Mobile, he overheard Mitch say he really doesn’t like being the best player in the Seattle clubhouse. He wants out of town!” I’d give that sentence more gravitas than any rumor coming from the TttT site. They’re just Fans in pajamas
Not a clever name
You know Eddie too?! He owes me a pair of tickets been saying he can get them for me for months, never trust that guy Haniger is staying, Martha from accounting told me they’ve been cutting cost by switching to 1-ply so they can resign him.
ayrbhoy
Yep, Eddie the Wrench! What a character that guy. He still drives up from Battleground WA for every home game. A little more forgetful these days, which would explain why there’s never any tickets for you over at will call.
Turns out Eddie tW thought he overheard Mitch talking when in fact it was Shed Long that was speaking about being tired of being a “big fish in a little pond!” Easy mistake to make though, confusing Hanny’s voice with Long’s -just ask Martha. They’re two peas in a pod. She’ll say she often hears him (Shed Long) pronounce “well, what did you expect? Shed can Hit, oh Shed can hit now!!
Texas Outlaw
Id expect the Mariners to be both buyers and sellers. They would be better suited for a big run next year.
Shawn McLaughlin 2
Yes. There are 5-7 (counting recent IL returnees, Casey Sadler and Eric Swanson) bullpen arms having career seasons. I’d trade a couple, maybe 3 (M’s have Ken Giles and Andre Munoz coming in early next season) and deal them. I’d love to see an arm like Tyler Anderson from The Pirates dealt for. Would not cost a lot and I think he is on a 1 year, $2.5 Mil deal.
thecoffinnail
M’s should also throw an older lottery ticket type player to the Yankees for Kluber. He’ll be ready by September and could be a nice cheap TOR arm for the last month and possibly the playoffs. Cash considerations might even get it done if the M’s pick up his remaining salary.
bucsfan0004
I’m impressed at how well the Mariners have done this year. That lineup 6 thru 9 has been putrid, and to see them ahead of the big-spending Angels makes me root the M’s even more
seamaholic 2
I’m not sure they HAVE been all that good. They’ve mostly been very lucky. With a negative run differential (and by a lot — they basically have the same run differential as the Rockies and Cardinals) and an out-of-nowhere dominant bullpen, they’re following the familiar path of a massive overachiever, winning an unsustainable percentage of close games. That will regress.
On the other hand, they do have a ton of young talent and they’re coming. It’s just not this year and they should absolutely not be major buyers.
BPG86
@seamaholic 2 The vast majority of that negative run differential comes from the month of May. it was like -43 that month and they’ve been solid since then.
Shawn McLaughlin 2
You took the words right out of my mouth.
old ranger
Mariners v Angels without Trout. Hardly a fair comparison. Mariners can’t compete with the Angels bats so if the Angels pitching heats up in the 2nd half the Mariners have no chance at the playoffs. Next year you have no chance at all. Maybe DipOto should trade for Ohtani but, oh yeah, that would take money and players.
SodoMojo90
Kinda like how the M’s will have more money to spend this off-season than any other team in the league
Shawn McLaughlin 2
good take
ayrbhoy
Old Ranger- “if the Angels pitching heats up….” – The media and LAA fans alike have been bitterly disappointed after uttering those words for 3-4 years straight now. In fact over the last decade 2010-2019 not one single LAA SP drafted by the Org has given them even 100 innings in a single season.
Each year LAA promises to have better pitching but it never comes to fruition. I wouldn’t hold your breath on LAA pitching. There’s a reason LAA took a pitcher with all 20 picks (19 college) in the draft this yr.
Speaking of pitching- up until tonight’s loss the M’s are 19-8 over the last month because of our good pitching. In the 1st half we had Series wins vs TOR, MN, OAK, CWS (4g series,) a 4g Sweep of TB, and a 4g series win v the CWS. The M’s have NOT been beating poor teams.
In fact, The M’s have had the 2nd most difficult strength of schedule in the first half of the season. If you use that same (SOS) metric the M’s have the 3rd easiest schedule remaining- We play 22g combined vs TX, KC and AZ! Even if LAA pitching improves (surely it has to,) LAA still has to pitch to LAD, TOR, NYY, SDP, CLE and the CWS.
You can look at the M’s – Run Diff or you can look at a sneaky good rotation. It’s a team that hits well with RISP backed by a really good BP that has the highest combined fWAR total in all of MLB. It will be really frustrating for LAA to lose the H2H season matchup vs a team of Seattle prospects with “no chance!”
martevious
Ha ha Old Ranger….Angels can’t win with or without Trout.
mlb1225
I see the Marienrs making a run at some rental or short term players. I think they’ll be much more active this upcoming off-season, making a push for some higher end FA’s or trade candidates.
houkenflouken
If they can add rentals for cash, then absolutely.
Shawn McLaughlin 2
Yes. Dipoto has been saying that on Seattle area radio shows the last few weeks. They do expect to add pieces in the off-season. I see your Bucs icon and I think Seattle should try to trade for Tyler Anderson before the deadline.
Dorothy_Mantooth
It’s nice to see the Mariners back in the playoff hunt. It’s a good franchise with great fans and they deserve a winner. I’d like to see Jerry take a cautious approach to this season by picking up a low level arm (with upside) and another bat to slot into the bottom of the order. If they have to give up anyone of significance, Trammel might be the right choice. I’m not sure he’s ever going to come close to his pedigree/potential, but it might make sense to hold onto all of their Top 8-10 prospects and deal on the fringe side. The Mariners appear to have a bright future, which is nice to hear after 20 years of futility.
Noel1982
Yankees fans here’s a proposal more indicative of the value of Frazier and andujar
:Mariners still wouldn’t likely want to do it though
But Seattle gets. Clint Frazier , Miguel andujar and the most cash possible
Yankees get : Kyle seagar
Noel1982
Gio needs to transition to his rightful role of utility man and bench guy
houkenflouken
I think the Mariners say yes to that even tho we are already too loaded at outfield. Maybe flip Frazier for a pitcher somewhere.
On the other hand….. no way yankees do that trade lol
Noel1982
Yankees might be just as delusional as their fans about those guys reality as far as value ! It’s a joke they get frustrated those guys combine people never mind just one can’t get them a in prime star ! In the end they will end up with nothing for either guy
muskie73
This year Miguel Andujar has posted a negative 0.2 fWAR, Clint Frazier a negative 0.8 fWAR and Kyle Seager 1.5 fWAR.
The Mariners will likely keep Seager and exercise the 2022 option for $15 million (plus escalators) instead of paying a buyout of up to $3 million.
BPG86
@Noel1982 AS a Mariners fan, I’d be upset if they didn’t accept this offer. Both of these dues are young, cheaper and have more club control than Seager.
Frazier needs a change of scenery, and we need a Left Fielder to hold us over for a few years.
Would the Yankees really be interested in the poison pill in Seager’s contract, though? If traded, club option turns to player option. Probably why he hasn’t been moved yet.
muskie73
Kyle Seager’s contract has no poison pill.
If traded Seager may well decline the 2022 option for $15 million plus escalators.
Since signing a seven-year, $245 million contract in December 2019, Los Angeles Angel third baseman Anthony Rendon has posted 3.4 fWAR in 110 games:
fangraphs.com/leaders.aspx?pos=3b&stats=bat…
Over the same period Kyle Seager has posted 3.1 fWAR in 150 games. Much of Seager’s value derives from his durability.
Other recent free agent contracts for third basemen:
Justin Turner: two years, $34 million (2/19/21)
Josh Donaldson: four years, $92 million ((1/22/20)
Manny Machado: 10 years, $300 million (2/21/19)
Seager, who turns 34 years old November, will be the same age Donaldson was when Donaldson landed his contract and two years younger than Turner was when Turner signed his contract.
The third-base fWAR leaders since 2019:
fangraphs.com/leaders.aspx?pos=3b&stats=bat…
Given those comps, Seager could decline the 2022 option for $15 million plus escalators and seek a three-year contract in, say, the range of $36 million.
SodoMojo90
You are completely out of your mind if your I think Settle will be exercising his option. What are you smoking and how do I get some since apparently it helps you escape reality. We all could use an escape.
muskie73
The numbers speak for themselves.
Do the math.
Stevil
He would be a fool to decline his right to that player option in the event of a trade. Nobody is going to pay him 15m AAV, or even close. His 3-year projections before the 2021 season had him pegged for a total of 4.5 fWAR.
Never say never, but he isn’t likely getting traded and if he isn’t, the odds of Seattle exercising that team option are slim. He’d need to go on quite a tear in the second half.
muskie73
A three-year 4.5 fWAR would support at least a three-year, $30 million contract that Kyle Seager might prefer to a $15 million one-year option as Seager approaches his 34th birthday in November.
BPG86
I’m fully aware of how productive Seager has been and continues to be. I’m just thinking that it really doesn’t seem any other team is willing to pay him that much next season, or else someone would have traded for him by now.
Stevil
Again, that was before this season in which his offense is below the projection.
But ask yourself who’s going to give him a 3-year deal for 30m+ (which is still a third less than a 15m AAV) after a clear decline?
I’m a fan of his, and I’d be fine with him sticking around another year. But at 15m?
I don’t see that happening, nor do I see 3/30 happening with another club. A one-year deal around 7, possibly with incentives, seems more likely.
Bil522
Maybe the change of scenery Frasier needs is from the OF at Yankee stadium to asking people “if they want fries with that?”
hockeyjohn
Frazier and Andujar have little to no value and both are currently on the injured list. Seattle is loaded in the outfield and Andujar can not play a passable defense at 3B to replace Seager. This one makes no sense for Seattle in my opinion.
Shawn McLaughlin 2
Seattle is NOT loaded in the outfield with reliable players who are healthy. They are down to Kelenic (still needs to prove himself in The Show) Fraley and Haniger. Trammell should remain in Tacoma until September at the earliest. Lewis may not be back at all in ’21. Rodriguez will NOT be up this season. Moore and Long are your back-up OF’s right now.
seamaholic 2
Huh? To start with, Andujar is worthless, actually a negative asset in any trade. Frazier is at his absolute low point in value. And the Yankees have a better and much cheaper 3B already. I can’t imagine why either side would do this, which actually is a bit of an achievement to come up with.
Noel1982
Gio is cheaper for sure ! He’s not very. Good though
Noel1982
Well compared to Clint and Miguel he’s all star like but In reality he would be better as a neat lil bench player
Ronk325
That trade doesn’t make sense for either side. The Mariners have no need for Frazier or Andujar and Seager would put the Yankees over the luxury tax in a season that’s quickly becoming a lost cause. Also the Mariners will likely decline Seagar’s option this offseason so if he’s a a guy the Yankees want they could just sign him this winter
BPG86
If they don’t have use of Frazier, why are they continuing to play a middle Infielder at LF on a regular basis? They only have 3 real OF on the roster at this time, and Haniger seems to DH every 4th game or so. They absolutely need another OF.
ayrbhoy
Ronk- I guess the sarcasm and humor behind a silly season trade of Frazier and Andujar for Corey’s brother went over your head like an Aaron Judge pop fly
SodoMojo90
The Mariners would do that in a heartbeat if offered
Stevil
They would, mainly because they’d be saving money.
The future at 3B in Seattle is very likely going to be Noelvi Marte. Maybe we’ll we see a stopgap such as Escobar next season, but Marte’s looking like the real deal.
SodoMojo90
Definitely will be Marte. The kid is going to be a stud
ayrbhoy
Stevil- so I assume you’ve given up hope on Coach Perry converting Ty France into a 3B? Sometimes when I see Ty chug around the bases I think- he’s kinda built like Corey’s brother, why can’t he play like him?
Stevil
On the contrary! I’m a huge fan & believer in Perry Hill’s work. He has made France into a legitimate first baseman.
France might still be in the conversation for 3B next season. Marte is likely going to debut in 2023. But I think Seattle is more likely to keep France at 1B and sign free agent infielders to take 2B and 3B respectively.
An unexpected deadline deal could change everything, but that’s what seens likely at the moment.
Shawn McLaughlin 2
Only if Bavasi took over again
SodoMojo90
Please refrain from saying his name. It actually hurts
BPG86
Man, if only the Mariners had gotten replacement level production from LF and 2B, while having a healthy Paxton and Gonzales. They’d likely to 5 to 8 games better in the standings and possibly nipping at the Astros’ heels for the division lead.
I’m so hyped for the next half decade or more; it’s ridiculous.
muskie73
Marco Gonzales went from an ERA if 3.10 in 11 starts last year to an ERA of 5.88 in 11 starts this season.
Justus Sheffield went from an ERA of 3.58 in 10 starts last year to an ERA of 6.48 in 15 starts this season.
James Paxton pitched only 1.1 innings before Tommy John surgery ended his season.
Reigning AL Rookie of the Year Kyle Lewis is unlikely to return after playing only 36 games this year.
Seattle’s -49 run differential is telling but the Mariners should command some respect.
BPG86
May or may not have been you that I replied to in another comment, but that differential is bloated due to the month of May. They were -43.
Aside from that month, they’re what, -6 over the remainder of the season? With a patchwork pitching staff due to injuries.
Shawn McLaughlin 2
Also, that White Sox series in April that cost us Paxton. That contributed to the run differential as well.
Louholtz22
One playoff appearance in 20 years. Left the King Dome after the 98 season and haven’t been able to field a competitive team since. Either the dimensions of the park need to be altered or they need to try a GM that gets it
BPG86
@Louholtz22 Basically all wrong. Left the Kingdome halfway through 99, Fielded a very competitive team for the next 5 years, but no playoffs after 2001. They’ve also missed that playoffs by 1 game twice in the last 5 seasons.
They really haven’t been as bad as you think when you hear “Longest active playoff drought in American pro sports.”.
muskie73
In their first four full seasons after leaving the Kingdome, the Mariners won 91, 116, 93 and 93 games (and have won at least 85 games five other times). The Mariners have been in the postseason hunt in the final week of two of the last three seasons.
The postseason drought has been long but the Mariners have been competitive in some years.
Louholtz22
The Mariners had a very solid team when they moved, yes. The Yankees were loaded too, unfortunately…As a Brewer fan, I went through a long drought after the 82 season. Two GM’s that get it and post season bound. Being competitive makes for an enjoyable summer but you gotta get in the tourney.
Joeypower
The Jays are listening on Guerrero and bichette go try to snag both! : )
seamaholic 2
Heh.
Curly Was The Smart Stooge
GM Jerry Dipoto has his ear to the ground, watch out for those fire ants, worse yet the “murdering hornets”
bobtillman
As I’ve said before, time for Jerry (and ownership) to put the big boy pants on, stop selling their rabid fan base on “the future”, and, instead, get ‘er done. They’re close, but you don’t jump into contention by trading away quality players; no GM ever went to bed at night worried that he had too many GOOD outfielders or infielders or pitchers.
Nor do players mysteriously appear on the FA front at the right time you need them.
There’s a ton of under water contracts out there that the M’s can pick up, at little prospect cost. And the M’s have a LOT of money. Load the wagon, Jerry, don’t worry about the horse being blind.
It’s time.
seamaholic 2
It’s not. They’ve mostly been just lucky this year. They’re not ready, but I’d guess next year is closer. So if they can acquire guys with multiple years of control that might be a possibility.
bobtillman
And how many more years are you willing to wait? And do you think the Astros (smart folks) and A’s (smarter folks) are just going to sit there with their fingers up their what-evers, while the M’s prospects (read: SUSPECTS) bubble up?
With their assets, the time is ALWAYS now….. any other perspective is just drinking the Kool-Aid….
Shawn McLaughlin 2
Drinking the Kool-Aid/Being objective
Potato/Potahto
Johnnymarty95
I think they should sell. I don’t see them ready to contend this year. They should aim for a Wild Card spot next year.
bigdaddyhacks
Kyle Kendricks and Whitt Merryfield. With those two adds this team is very sneaky lethal.
skrockij89
I mean the Mariners have been one of the best teams the last 3-4 weeks. They also enter the second half with the third easiest schedule going forward so it’s possible they can make the playoffs. A little bit of buying and selling should be in order. Buy for players with more control and sell some rental pieces.
HighHardOne
I don’t think you trade the teams best player for the promise of outfielders who have not done a thing at the MLB level.