The Rockies reportedly received offers for All-Star shortstop Trevor Story from the Yankees, Brewers, White Sox, and Rays prior to Friday’s trade deadline, per Jon Heyman of the MLB Network (via Twitter). The Rockies have been criticized for their failure to move Story, given that they are all but assured to lose him as a free agent after the season. They will get a draft pick when he departs, and their front office did not deem any of the offers received as appreciably better than that draft pick will be.
- Despite all the talk, the Mets never came particularly close to acquiring Kris Bryant from the Cubs, per Mike Puma of the New York Post (via Twitter). The two clubs were obviously in steady communication — and eventually consummated a deal for Javier Baez — but the Cubs kept the conversation away from Bryant. Given how long Bryant had been “on the block,” the Cubs certainly had a sense of what was available.
- The Mets did, however, explore the cost for Kyle Gibson of the Rangers, notes Puma, but the Rangers informed them that they had a better offer on the table from the Phillies.
- The Nationals had the pieces in place for a deal that would have sent Max Scherzer to the Padres on Thursday night, but they also had a deal in place with an American League East team, per Juan Toribio of MLB.com. The Yankees, Blue Jays, Rays, and Red Sox were all said to have interest in Scherzer at one point or another.
- As for the Dodgers’ side of that deal eventual deal, they were intent on holding onto Ryan Pepiot, Bobby Miller, and Landon Knack, despite wide-ranging interest in that trio of arms.
Not trading Gray and Cron was WAY worse.
Nobody wanted Cron. How many times do you need telling?
I agree. Teams are making deals to help them win and get better. He does neither for any team.
I’ve seen you talk about Cron in a couple posts and even suggest that they have to give him a QO, that makes me think one of two things. You are either a troll, or have literally no idea how baseball works. Cron is a journeyman having a halfway decent season my friend. I am a Rays fan, just had him a couple of seasons ago when he was younger and more attractive and he literally got dumped for nothing. Hate to break this to you, but no contender has any use for a guy like Cron beyond being a pinch hitter against lefties, and since he can’t play any position besides first base that gives him basically zero value. Also, the Rockies are clearly the most incompetent front office in baseball by far. Got nothing for any of their players who actually had value. Go inform yourself and stop with the Cron nonsense dude, he literally has almost zero value to a contending team.
@TampaGators If they could have gotten even a PTBNL they should have taken it. Having Cron on their team is literally hurting them at this point.
It’s likely that they could not, as I said before, CJ Cron is essentially worthless. You need a dance partner. I think it’s strange you are focused on him. They had several guys that could have returned real value and they traded zero of them and as a result are set even further back. CJ Cron is the least of their concerns.
@ Remove
Once again you demonstrate how much you just don’t get it!
Having Cron on the team helps the Rockies maintain a poor record that leads to a higher draft pick come 2022.
@Terrier1980 Cron has a 0.7 WAR this year. Not great but definitely not helping their draft position like Jesus Tinoco or Yency Almonte
0.7 war is in fact helping them but hurting them as you said in an earlier comment
Daniel Bard too.
Has one more year of arb
Gray will get a nice contract from Rockies, he wants to stay and pitches well at Coors.
Story is another matter entirely. They made the mistake on that.
@Arnold Ziffel If Gray wants to stay so bad they definitely should have traded him. They could have re-signed him like what the Yankees did with Aroldis Chapman in 2016. Then they’d have Gray AND prospects instead of just Gray. Would you rather have Gray AND prospects or just Gray?
And not trading Gray was WAY worse than not trading Story. At least Story is pretty much guaranteed to both receive and reject a QO. I’ve heard reports that the Rockies aren’t willing to go to the QO on Gray.
Stop. Gray would like to return and the rotation needs him.
The fact the Rockies front office couldn’t generate a trade package more enticing than a single compensation pick demonstrates remarkable incompetence.
The Nationals had to include Max Scherzer in addition to 1.5 years of Trea Turner just to get back two prospects in the 40-50 range.
I doubt the rockies received any top 100 prospect offers.
Which, if you get a pick after the first round you’d have a chance to get a top 100 prospect talent.
Personally, rockies should have traded him for a quantity package. Get as many chances as you can to find a cornerstone.
You realize Scherzer is a HOFer and Trea is the most underrated player in baseball correct? That was a very even deal
That didn’t really seem to be his point. The point is that you can get a top 100 prospect in the comp pick slot a lot easier than you can get one in a trade offer. If I am not mistaken, there were only 4 top 100 prospects moved and only in 2 deals. And most people say that the Blue Jays vastly overpaid with the two they gave up.
Personally I think prospects are incredibly overvalued right now. Yes, you COULD be trading a future star, but you are likely trading someone that will never have a higher trade value.
I do.
The point is not even those two combined netted premium prospects like a top 20, top 10, or even top 5. Not like there was a lack of interest in either.
So Trevor Story by himself as a rental, doubt the rockies received anything close to a top 100 prospect, even a backend one in the 90-100 range.
Which, if the rockies franchise is set on getting quality instead of quantity, the QO apparently holds more value to them to get that quality prospect at the end of the 1st round, which may wind up being a top 100 prospect for them.
As bad as their farm is, I’d have gone with a quantity approach and look for as many hits as you can from your rentals.
The Rockies farm is not really THAT bad. It is not top heavy by any means, but there is a bit of depth. So quantity may not be ideal in this situation. As long as they draft a middle infielder or pitcher with the comp pick, I am perfectly okay with their decision. If they try to pick yet another corner infielder or outfielder, then it’s a waste.
Personally, I think the best thing Story could do, for both himself and the Rockies, is to accept the QO and be done with it. He’ll never have to deal with a QO for the rest of his career AND he can rebuild his value with a possible bounceback year. If the Rockies could get him some real protection in the lineup. For the Rox, it would give them Story for another year, but it would also remove the possibility of the QO and force them to deal him next year or lose him for nothing.
If your team does well at drafting….. have you heard of these names?
Zac Veen
Michael Toglia
Ryan Rolison
Ryan Vilade
Riley Pint
These are 2016-2020 1st picks for the rockies. The best of the bunch is Vilade which is ranked as their number 2 prospect and he is not even in the top 100s for mlb..looking over stats (and yes i know thats not everything) he would be a weak Jeff McNeil as a ceiling.but that he plays an ok SS.
Your telling me your trusting this team to draft something better with their first pick? The last 10 yrs of drafts the best they have come up with is Jon Gray David Dahl and Tyler Anderson.
Out of those 5, only Pint was a mistake. The rest on in the Rockies top 5 prospects and Vilade was a mid 2nd round pick. So I don’t really get your point. Just because you have not heard of them, doesn’t mean jack.
Vilade was a 2nd round but they did not have a 1st round so I included him as a “1st pick” .. hence why i did not say 1st round picks.
Everything is pointing to potential as none of them have done anything to prove they will be decent if at all mlb players except maybe Veen and that is rookie ball and everyone does great there. So until atleast AA hard to judge anything but potential.
Rolison has the report of a ceiling of number 4 or 5 rotation piece but will probably end up being a swing man type pitcher at best. .
Toglia falls into the same potential category as Veen. only he is older and less time to show potential. From the reports he sounds like a potential ceiling of Tino Martinez and thats if he hits his potential but probably ends up more like a James Loney. Solid bat with thump and above average first base skills.
Vilade has a report of topping out as a poor mans McNeil Solid contact hitter than can move around defensively if needed but is probably more suited for OF or 2nd with just a little power not a game changer.
Pint as mentioned was a mistake and isnt even in the top 30
I’m pretty sure anyone with a brain knows how good Turner is.
Players drafted in comp round are more Top 250ish. Only like 8-10 1st rounders slot into updates top 100s usually.
That may be true, but the point remains the same that the players drafted with that comp pick could have been followed by Rockies scouts for years. Getting that guy may be more important to the Rox than getting a name higher on a prospect list that you don’t know as well.
And I think the biggest thing that people are missing is that the Rockies BONUS POOL will be much higher if they get a comp pick. And it will be incredibly high if they get a comp pick AND a comp A pick like the Reds did this year. Getting a prospect for Story may win deadline day, but having a higher draft pool can win draft day.
Diamondbacks, too. After trading Chafin and Escobar earlier in the week, I thought they would be active on Friday. Yet aside from sending Soria to Toronto, they did nothing. Serviceable players, too. Merrill Kelly, Caleb Smith, Tyler Clippard, Asdrubal Cabrera, David Peralta. Or maybe they could have gotten a nice return by making Nick Ahmed and Carson Kelly available.
I’m sure they tried. Sometimes the market just isn’t there. The Cubs and Nats suddenly jumping into rebuild mode with both feet really screwed up the market for other sellers.
Cubs traded Chafin bro. Dbacks didn’t need to sell because they plan on competing next year. David Peralta is a popular player in AZ so they probably got nothing of value to move him. Nick Ahmed is one of the worst hitting players in the game. Merrill Kelly has 3+ years of control left.
Dbacks didn’t need to sell. Carson Kelly, Ketel Matte, and Zac Gallen is a solid core.
Solid but will it do anything is the real question
Not really. The only comp pick this year was #30 that the Reds got for Bauer. That guy is probably slotting in somewhere in the 5-8 range of team prospects right now. With the weak Rockies system, he might rank even higher. So the comp pick next year is likely to be someone that you have been scouting for at least a year or two, if not longer instead of someone that you may not have scouted well due to COVID. Yes, there is video, but video will never be better than in person scouting. And numbers can only tell you so much.
I don’t agree with the Rockies decision, but I do understand their point of view for not trading Story. They trust their own draft and development more than that of other teams.
Plus, we just know that offers were made by 4 teams, we don’t know who was offered. For example, the Brewers traded Paxton Henry to Miami on draft day. I would not say Henry is better than a comp pick. Same for the guys the Yanks gave for Rizzo. No idea what the White Sox or Rays would have offered, but it probably wasn’t THAT much. Take the chance at a comp pick and who knows, maybe Story ends up changing his mind and resigning. It’s not like there are a ton of SS needy teams that are not in rebuild mode.
MLBTR does this all the time……
They dump on an organization and/ or a person in it, the the posters join in kicking ’em while they’re down.
So what’s the narrative? The Rockies FO is too dumb to do something? Really. Or maybe they’re vindictive SOB’s gong after Story for some reason no one is aware of- depriving him of a chance to be a contending team for 2 months before he can chose where he wants to play next?
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What I knows it this – I have no idea what was offered for Story…..or by whom. Speculation is not fact. But this IS a fact….
Every one of those the teams mentioned in the article – Yankees, Brewers, White Sox, and Rays – did make deadline deals and traded prospects for them. Maybe they liked the players they brought back more than Story. Maybe they didn’t want to give up any more prospects in another deal. We don’t know. half the people working in those organizations don’t know the truth – rumors abound like in any large business.
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I love the Rays and their FO, but I don’t know what they would do with Story. The man’s a SS – the Rays currently have 3. The man can play 2B or 3b – the Rays have multiple guys that play those positions as well. Maybe Story can play CF – the Rays have 3 guys that play CF. It seems to me that the Rays may have kicked the tires to see if they could get a good deal on a 2 month rental. In their case it would be reasonable to assume they made a low-ball offer, and immediately moved on to solidifying their bullpen which was their main goals going into the deadline.
Yes. “Made an offer” could be literally anything. The Rockies would have zero interest in even a pretty good major league player, or major league ready. Their window is too far off. They don’t have the money of the Cubs or Nats or the farm system of the Twins, so they aren’t adding to a team that’s going to be good next year or something. They wanted something very specific to give up that comp pick, and they (apparently) didn’t get it.
Takes two to tango. Story’s having an off year and very few competitive teams needed a shortstop. They can’t manufacture an offer even if they WERE a good front office.
i disagree in that i think the yankees could have used Story. I think they could have pulled a deal for similar to what yankees did for Rizzo which before the deadline probably majority of the top 10 in the yankees would be number 1 or 2 for the rockies and be closer to the majors.
Lets assume the yanks go for story for just alcantara which i think would be a fair deal and time out for when the rockies are competing again as he is only 19 and currently ranked just outside the mlb 100’s.. Story now becomes your everyday SS with Torres moving back to his better position of 2nd base and DJL goes back to first while Voit out. When voit comes back you now have DJL or Torres becomes your subersub big bat off the bench with wade going to the minors. This gives you a lot more versatility with the lineup and should improve your defense immensely. You might get a couple less homers than if you had Rizzo but Story improves the team overall. The only hang-up and is a bigger one is if the rockies are willing to eat a lot of the dollars like the cubs were or if there would need to be more added than just alcantara.
See faith in Padres post. QO may generate better value for them.
Rockies emo’s: just make a trade, any trade, no matter how much junk we get back. Make a trade.
People need to get back on their medication. Never have I seen do much irrational wailing.
Preller disputes what Jaun Toribio said.
The AL East team for Scherzer was likely the Blue Jays and a similar package that the Twins got for Berrios. I know it’s one less year of control, but it’s also Scherzer vs Berrios.
Berrios has bad second-half numbers. Pre-all star game ERA: 3.65. Post-all-star game ERA: 4.77. His August ERA in 136 career innings is 5.57. Best of luck to him in those AL East bandboxes.
Berrios had two starts “post All-Star”. His last start was 7.0 IP and 0 ER against the Houston Astros.
He was referring to his career record post all-star.
Weak farm, inability to develop or even draft pitching or obtain pitching in free agency the Rockies needed to make trades. I can’t believe the front office for decades have fumbled their opportunities. Disappointing.
Yes, those FO people are purposely trying to make the organization that pays them worse.
The Rockies have one of the best starting rotations in baseball at the moment, especially park adjusted. Pitching (at least of the starting variety) is very far from their problem. They have a bad bullpen, like many teams, and they can’t hit at all away from home, which is very specific to them. That’s it.
The amount of “going off” on zero knowledge on this site is absolutely amazing.
Seam
Complete agreement.
Why would you take someone’s 20-30 prospect when your comp pick would be top 8 in your system? Rox need impact players. Low level prospects are available everywhere.
Stop making logical sense. Ain’t no one wants to hear it. They prefer to be caught up in their feelings.
What do you think was being offered? Damn. Fans just wanted warm bodies. They didn’t care who it was. Insane.
I can’t believe a competitive balance draft pick is worth a crap, so I don’t understand the thinking (or lack of) of this front office. The Rockies are in this situation for a reason, and it probably won’t get better within the near future for the same reasons(s). Some people just should not be allowed to own sports franchises.
I agree with you. Maybe not a blue chip but servicable major league players.
Story, himself, was a competitive balance draft pick.
The exception to the rule that most draft picks do nothing in the majors no matter where they’re selected doesn’t change the rule.
Aren’t most all prospects draft picks?
It’ll all come full circle
People don’t want to hear facts. They want to surf irrational feelings.
There should be an Olympics-styled competition for prospective owners. This would include a general baseball quiz, a franchise history quiz, maintaining a scorecard for one full game, three innings of color commentary in the broadcast booth, and answering season-ticket holder and other fans’ questions in a locally televised, town hall meeting. There would also be a segment where each contestant talks about their favorite player as a kid and what it was like attending their first big-league game. Fans of the team would then vote on who should be the next owner, with the results submitted to MLB for approval.
SIlly? Perhaps. But what’s wrong with wanting baseball aficionados to be part of an ownership group?
Funny enough Bill James had his ideal Hall of Fame voting system work with like five prospect of voting groups and one of them being like a sabermetrics board it’s in the whatever happened to the Hall of Fame
I followed the Cleveland Indians for decades. They didn’t compete for a pennant between 1959 and 1993. They had a multitude of owners, many of when thought they knew a lot about baseball.
The Jacob Brothers brought the franchise in 1986. They were construction people. That business took their time. Neither one know much about professional baseball. They just knew that the franchise was for sale at bargain basement prices. So they went about finding people to run it. They knew Hank Peters when he worked for the Indians before running the Orioles. Once they had him in place, they bought the franchise and went about their business – which included arranging to build a new park (one of the Jacobs passed away shortly after the sale). Peters submitted a long-term plan, he was given a budget to implement it. He brought in John Hart from Baltimore to run Baseball Ops, in turn he was given a budget. Peters / Hart built a fantastic farm system and ML club, and went to 2 WS’s. They sold at a fabulous profit.
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Your team – the Dodgers – did a similar thing. I lived in LA and was a big Dodger fan. But when the O’Malley’s sold along came owners and their advisors that knew nothing about baseball. Finally some financial people realized how undervalued the franchise was being in the 2nd biggest market in the country, and bought it. The brought in Stan Kasten (who had overseen the construction of the Nationals) and who knows who else, and at some point stole Andrew Friedman from Rays to run Baseball Ops and gave him a large market budget. They run the business, and Friedman runs the baseball part. Wa-LA.
Same as what happened with the Indians.
It’s a freakin’ first round pick! It’s definitely worth quite a bit.
In other sports maybe.
Most first rounders do absolutely nothing.
I guess maybe if those were the teams that made offers to the Rockies, there is a decent chance they were just trying to lowball them. Adames and Anderson would already have SS locked down and the Yankees couldn’t move Torres to 2B without having to bench Lemahieu or Rizzo. I can’t see any of them offering too much if he wasn’t going to be the starting SS.
The Yankees probably made their offer before the Rizzo trade. They said they were out of Story negotiations before that Rizzo trade happened.
Yes, this. The fact that the Rays were one of the teams tells you all you need to know. They really don’t need a shortstop at all. They were pretty clearly just putting a hook in the water to see if they could steal him for nothing. I’d say it’s likely the other teams were, too.
It’s really, really nice to see some basic logic and common sense applied among all this rabble-rousing about the Rockies. Kudos to you for supplying it, honestly and sincerely.
Yes, what little the Rockies did at the deadline is not something that makes a ton of sense to many members of the forum, and even the writers on the site are not immune from editorializing with a touch of hyperbole. It’s not a new phenomenon.
But the fact of the matter is that the Rockies are allowed to do whatever they’d like transaction-wise with the players they have under contract, and don’t have to give players away or sell for pennies on the dollar just because Dodgers/Yankees/fans of literally any other team feel like they should.
It’s not fun being a Rockies fan. It hasn’t been for most of my life, frankly. I hate giving money to the team because it never seems to help support a winning ball club. But I’m going in September to see Larry Walker’s jersey number retired at Coors Field, and I know I’m going to have a heckuva lot more fun seeing a guy who wants to stay in Colorado like Jon Gray and a player with the talent of Trevor Story wear that Rox jersey one more time in-person than I would seeing some minor league guys in over their head against the Giants.
That’s not lost on ownership and what’s left of the front office, and that plays into the calculus to not have a full blown fire sale as well, because that’ll help sucker me in to buy tickets again next year.
I feel for you as a long-time Rockies fan.
Please consider this……
It’s the high altitude / thin air. Period.
Dumping on the current owner or current FO is pointless.
Over the years the Rockies have tried everything, from types of players acquired to refrigerating baseballs.
Balls carry at the altitude. Pitches don’t break as much – and that’s a big deal for their pitchers that have to throw half their games in that environment. Balls carry too far messing up their OF’s timing as well as infielders at times. There is no park in MLB that plays so far from the mean as Coors.
Everything has been tried to somehow partially normalize MLB baseball played in that atmosphere. Nothing has made a dent in the problem areas. Everyone associated with that organization has to be totally frustrated.
When expansion discussions started in 1958-59, Denver was dismissed as a location due to the thin air. MLB FO’s had long dismissed statistics coming from players of the Denver Bears, or any opponents that had played against them. Then politicians in Colorado and Florida – influential electoral states – got together and threated to overthrow the laws that protect MLB as a monopoly. So those 2 states got expansion teams – and all 3 franchises have been nothing but a headache for MLB ever since. Changing ownership has had no effect.
Winning cure all ills. The few times the Rockies did win it only lasted a short time. There has never been a sustainable MLB contender there, and there never will be.
@JamesW26 No. They didn’t HAVE to take what they could get for Story, Gray and Cron. But the alternative is to QO them (which they only seem willing to do on Story) or lose them for nothing (which is basically the end of world for a non-contender).
Zach Scott: Hey JD, what’s the price for Gibson?
JD: Don’t bother, anything you offer isn’t going to be better than what Philly has put up.
Zach Scott: LOL, thanks man!
really Rangers29… just like that… smh
People are blaming the Rockies FO, but it’s entirely possible that teams did not offer much considering how poorly (by his normal standards) Story has been this year. He’s barely been average. I don’t think many teams wanted to give up much for two months of pedestrian value at shortstop. The compensation pick might indeed be worth more than what they were offered.
Good point. I’ve watched him quite a bit as a Dodger fan and he doesn’t look like Trevor Story.
The comp pick May be gone by the time the draft rolls around
It would probably last another year since teams would have already made qualifying offers that were rejected.
That’s impossible. The mechanism that includes the comp pick is already in play. This year may be the last year, but it will definitely be in play in 2021.
I agree. There’s obviously no guarantee that a compensation pick will work out, but guys like Will Smith (the catcher), Dylan Carlson, KeBryan Hayes and Mike Soroka have all been comp picks. If teams were only offering unattractive packages, it’s logical to take your chances on a comp pick.
That was the situation the Giants had with Bumgarner and Will Smith (the pitcher) in 2019.
I’m okay with a team taking the pick. A problem for the Rockies is their scouting department is so lightly regarded. As a franchise, they have a lot to do before sinking their teeth into a full-scale rebuild.
Their amateur scouting department is actually very well regarded. It’s their professional scouting that’s bad, or actually right now basically nonexistent. And of course their high level decision-makers.
The Rockies are so dysfunctional and people keep defending them.
They refuse to trade with certain teams, of course they weren’t happy with the offers.
They shrink their market and then complain that the return on trade offers isn’t enough.
It’s not just about Story, it’s about a culture of missed opportunities.
I’m sorry that I continue supporting my favorite team instead of joining your pitchfork carrying mob complaining about them. I don’t care if the Rockies win trade deadline day. I care if they beat the Padres tonight. People may think this season is a lost cause, but I don’t care. I want to see my Rockies win. And I mean my Rockies, not my prospects from other teams wearing Rockies jerseys. I don’t just root for laundry, I root for the people wearing the laundry. I am thrilled that I get to continue cheering for Story, Gray, and even Cron. Even if it is just for two more months in what many consider a lost season.
If you don’t agree with that, I don’t care. You root for your team however you want, but don’t tell me how to root for mine.
Online forums are just for people who like to pretend they’re bullies (they were probably bullied themselves growing up). A fly-over team without a long history and a strange front office is just blood in the water.
True. Everyone likes to think that humans are evolving past the cringeworthy elements of our history. But most people are still very capable of being involved in witch burning and inquisition trials and kangaroo courts and any other event in history that people say would never happen again today. We are exactly the same just with better technology.
CHEERS TO THAT!!!
I’d love to see your source on that ‘they refuse to trade with certain teams’ info, but I suspect it doesn’t exist.
I’m assuming that most teams wanted Colorado to eat most or all of Story’s remaining salary so that’s probably why they felt that the offered prospects weren’t up to par. It would make sense that they’d feel a draft pick would hold more value if they were going to have to pay for Story anyways.
Actually, there have been a few trades where I thought the same thing that the Rockies are. Is the package I’d be getting back, better than the comp pick? Two guys that are not in the top 100 and are the #15 and unrated prospect for a guy type of packages. I’d rather have a top guy in a draft, than guys that have so many challenges.
The Rockies need quality players at every position.
This team should’ve made the trade just because of the extra pitching depth they require.
They’ll just keep wasting talented players if they don’t build the depth that LA, SF, & SD have.
The Angels drafted Mike Trout but have 0 playoff series wins in that time.
They need more than 1 lotto ticket
There is no way they would receive a top 100 prospect for him. He is a rental and he isn’t having a great year, at least by his standards. I wonder what offers he will receive in free agency. Maybe he will take the QO and bet on himself.
The FO’s job is to maximize value.
Colorado can’t ever do that because they refuse to trade with the biggest spenders in MLB.
Friedman, Preller, and Zaidi were in on every available asset, except Colorado’s.
That’s by the Rockies design so I’m not surprised they’re complaining about lack of quality offers
And you know this how? Rockies have traded with both the Giants and the Dodgers in recent years.
I am a Rockies fan, but defending them is beyond me. You have the Nolan arenado debacle, resign him and trade him for a bag a balls and 50 million. You got nothing for Trevor Story. Everyone is talking about his value now. Once you traded Nolan you should have traded story like the Nats did in Turner, getting players that can help your future. You have no offensive stars left and none in the pipeline for next year. Rodgers is the closest, but he is injury prone. Then you have Bud Black who has brutalized player development. He changes the lineup every day and none of the players appear to be at ease. It is a complete xxxx show.
The Rockies won the Arenado trade easily. Take a look at what Montero is doing in AA and what Gomber is doing in MLB. Hell that’s not even close.
Javier Baez was worth Crow-Armstrong. I think Story was worth something also.
Crow-Armstrong has a very bad shoulder injury and there’s a chance he’s not coming back. A real chance. He’s not what he was six months ago as a prospect.
People’s responses here are crazy.
The MLB isn’t the NFL or NBA. The vast majority of picks do absolutely nothing in the majors (if they even get there) no matter where they’re picked. This is why the teams who thought they could tank to a championship have yet to do anything. That and in the case of the Phillies completely blowing their #1 overall pick decision and ruining Haseley and got knows who else. Successful teams don’t do this. People bring up the Giants but the Giants kept their core together rather than trading their best players away in their primes or letting them walk for a comp pick. Story is 28. Bumgarner was in his 30s in 2019. It’s not even remotely a comparable situation.
The Rockies could have gotten multiple chances at acquiring a successful major leaguer by trading Story or Gray or both and instead chose to gamble on acquiring one. They could have also simply extended Story and avoided this situation altogether. The path they’ve now chosen was by far the dumbest one of their options available.
What you are forgetting is that the vast majority of prospects do very little in the majors also. But you seem more concerned with telling people you are right instead of actually being right. So there is really no point in arguing with you here. Good luck to the Phils.
Lol wow you’re on some internet loudmouth stuff huh
Never said prospects do anything. You all are the ones going at anybody for daring to say draft picks aren’t worth any more than prospects. All I said was they had the chance to get multiple lottery tickets and instead are settling for one.
But keep projecting your own completely unearned arrogance onto me. Keep being disrespectful af towards anybody who dares to disagree with the idea that a comp pick is automatically more valuable than multiple prospects then accusing those people of being disrespectful. Maybe take a look in the mirror before you try to talk about anybody else.
Yeah my Phillies absolutely do need luck after years of being run by people who think exactly like you and squander opportunity after opportunity and ruin young talent by thinking they’re smarter than everybody else.
Pretty sure the Astros and Cubs have recently tanked to a championship or two.
Yeah and the Pirates lost for 20 straight years and didn’t even get a division title out of it. Even if the Rockies tanked for several years and ended up with the best farm in the league, it’s not like the Dodgers and Giants are not going to still have more money than them. Look at the Padres. They tanked got a great farm and trade for like 12 different Cy young winners and still can’t get out of third place.
It worked for the Cubs and Astros and Royals because none of them are in a division with big spenders. Well the Angels, but they are big spenders without success. Hardly the same as the Yankees, Red Sox, Dodgers, and Giants.
Even then the royals were weird and kinda came outta nowhere to win
It’s funny you bring up the Pirates, as I’m a Bucco fan who was at the playoff clinching game at Wrigley Field (in 2013?) Just because we didn’t win the WS in that three year playoff span, doesn’t mean it wasn’t worth Huntington ‘tanking’ when he took over in 2008.
youtube.com/watch?v=N1P7-b793m8
Lol what? When exactly did they tank? It takes like 3 years on average for a player to reach the majors. That means the vast majority of homegrown players on that roster wasn’t gotten through tanking.
Yes, Nats too. They tanked AND have huge markets and loads of money. There’s a rather large difference.
How did the Nats tank? They brought in multiple aces, multiple closers, multiple expensive position players throughout their entire tenure in Washington.
They had bad records because it didn’t work out but they never stopped trying to win. They signed Werth to that big deal in 2011 or 2012. Not to mention bringing in Dunn and Kearns from the Reds back in the day. Soriano. I believe Renteria at one point.
Same with the Cubs. They never stopped bringing in players to help their major league team. That’s not tanking.
The Astros could potentially be seen as tankers but let’s not forget they’re accused of cheating to get their World Series ring. They also wouldn’t have won much of anything if not for bringing in Verlander and Cole and Grienke. Most of their players weren’t homegrown.
Lol what?
The Cubs spent big in free agency and made smart trades in addition to the players THEY ALREADY HAD.
The Astros brought in two future Hall of Famers, among other not tanking things.
Like what are you even talking about?
Literally no team in any sport has ever tanked their way to building a championship. Period.
Every single example you’d try to throw at me is wrong. Not the Warriors. Not the Chiefs. Not the Seahawks. Not the Cubs or the Astros. Not even the Royals.
Tanking does not produce a winner. Period.
Neither Bryant nor Baez brought high level organizational prospects.
With Story’s production drop off this year, it’s entirely possible the Rockies weren’t being offered enough to move him at the end. That said, I’d be awfully surprised if what didn’t happen is the Rockies overplayed their hand early and when they finally dropped their ask, the market had softened way up.
To move nobody, though. Not defensible, really.
What? 2020’s Mets first pick was what baez brought to the Cubs
1. PCA is absolutely a top organizational prospect
2. The Rockies now basically have no choice but to QO all their outgoing FA’s
I think the Nats did well here –
Gray looks like a future SP 3 maybe even 2 and Ruiz can probably be an above average C as early as next year at the bigs
That’s huge value getting what 10+ years control……
Talks with Turner have been sour for awhile, best to get ahead of this and just bank the 2 really good players today than dilly dally on the market
What’s the hold up with Bryant to the giants?.he’s not even on the roster, yet traded to them
Bryant is still a rehab assignment away from making his debut. He should be starting his assignment this week but wont be added to the roster until his first game in the BIGs