11:20 am: MLB has officially announced its guidance on foreign substance rules. “After an extensive process of repeated warnings without effect, gathering information from current and former players and others across the sport, two months of comprehensive data collection, listening to our fans and thoughtful deliberation, I have determined that new enforcement of foreign substances is needed to level the playing field,” Commissioner Rob Manfred said as part of the release. “I understand there’s a history of foreign substances being used on the ball, but what we are seeing today is objectively far different, with much tackier substances being used more frequently than ever before. It has become clear that the use of foreign substance has generally morphed from trying to get a better grip on the ball into something else – an unfair competitive advantage that is creating a lack of action and an uneven playing field.”
As previously reported, umpires will be instructed to check each pitcher (multiple times for starters) from both teams. Position players can also be ejected and suspended for foreign substance use, but only if the umpires determine the position player applied the substance to the ball for the benefit of his pitcher. As expected, pitchers are still permitted to use rosin bags on the mound but are prohibited from “intentionally (combining) rosin with other substances (e.g., sunscreen) to create additional tackiness.” Non-player personnel who encourage or facilitate players using foreign substances (or who help mask their use after the fact) are subject to discipline, including fines and/or suspensions.
Notably, a player suspended for an on-field violation cannot be replaced on the roster, which could lead to instances of teams forced to play shorthanded if their pitchers disregard the foreign substance ban.
The full release is available here.
8:52 am: Major League Baseball will distribute a memo to teams today outlining its plans for enforcing a ban on foreign substances, reports Jeff Passan of ESPN. Players found with illicit substances on their person will be suspended for ten days, with pay, with enforcement expected to begin on June 21, per Passan.
Notably, the league isn’t planning to differentiate between substances, Passan reports. MLB is prepared to hand down equal bans for players found to have used a combination of sunscreen/rosin versus those detected with Spider Tack, an industrial superglue originally designed to help strongman competitors retain their grip on atlas stones. As Passan notes, that lack of distinction figures to irk some players. Pitchers’ use of sunscreen/rosin to gain a better grip on the ball is a longstanding practice, albeit one that seems to violate MLB Rule 6.02(c)(4), which prohibits pitchers from applying “a foreign substance of any kind to the ball.” It’s not uncommon to hear hitters express support for pitchers’ use of some kind of grip enhancer, though; after all, a pitcher with better feel for the ball is less likely to accidentally throw a pitch that hits the batter in a dangerous area.
In recent seasons, however, many pitchers have increasingly adopted more sophisticated grip enhancers found to substantially increase spin. More spin can lead to more movement on pitches, and a not insignificant number of hurlers have fined-tuned sticky substances that can enhance the quality of their raw stuff, not simply their control. Former MLB pitcher Jerry Blevins breaks down the generally accepted distinction between a pitcher’s use of sunscreen/rosin and the introduction of more sophisticated substances in an interesting Twitter thread.
While failing to distinguish between forms of sticky stuff might seem overly basic, it’s an arguably necessary simplicity. Umpires are going to be tasked with checking players for substances on the fly in the middle of games. That’s not an environment especially conducive for differentiating between substances and deciding upon the severity of a player’s violation. Indeed, one MLB umpire tells Passan the league taking a firm stance against all forms of sticky stuff is critical for umpires’ enforcement efforts.
Certainly, the league is hoping to avoid handing down many suspensions, with the mere threat of a ban intended to encourage players to voluntarily stop using foreign substances. MLB has sent memos to teams in each of the past two Spring Trainings suggesting there’d be increased attention to the practice. Buster Olney of ESPN reports that former big league pitcher Chris Young- then MLB’s chief baseball officer- was the first person in the league office to raise concerns about increased use of sticky substances to enhance pitchers’ repertoires. (Young, who authored the first of those memos, has since been hired as GM of the Rangers).
This season, MLB made it known they were monitoring pitchers’ spin rate data and confiscating randomly-selected baseballs, building a dossier of sorts on which players they considered to be the most frequent offenders. Over the past few weeks, it became apparent MLB was planning to intervene in the near future. The league also recently sent documents to teams identifying pitchers on their clubs MLB believed it had caught using foreign substances, Passan reports. That appears to be another tactic the league has put in place to encourage players to curtail the use of sticky stuff before suspensions come into play. For what it’s worth, Passan hears from multiple pitchers who said they have indeed stopped using foreign substances with MLB’s crackdown on the horizon.
Nevertheless, it’d be a surprise if there weren’t some high-profile instances of discipline, given how widespread the practice has become. Brian Harkins, a former Angels clubhouse manager who was fired after it was revealed he’d provided a sticky concoction to players around the league, filed a defamation action against the team and MLB last year alleging he’d been singled out for a nearly ubiquitous practice.
The suit has since been dismissed (pending appeal), but Harkins detailed more specific allegations in a recent interview with Stephanie Apstein and Alex Prewitt of Sports Illustrated. He names stars like Max Scherzer, Justin Verlander, Adam Wainwright and Corey Kluber (among many others) as alleged users of his pine tar/rosin mix. (Kluber’s agent, B.B. Abbott, adamantly denied the allegation against him, calling it a “blatant lie”).
The former clubhouse attendant also provides Apstein and Prewitt a February 2020 text exchange with Giants pitching coach Andrew Bailey in which Bailey purchases some of Harkins’ concoction. Bailey admitted to Sports Illustrated that he bought the substance but provided Apstein and Prewitt evidence he never distributed it to his pitchers. Bailey claimed MLB had instructed teams to reduce foreign substance use in between the time he purchased Harkins’ product and when he was planning to distribute it, which he says stopped him from passing along any form of foreign substance to players in the year-plus since.
All of Harkins’ alleged distribution came before his firing in March 2020- long after the MLB rule banning foreign substances was on the books, but before the league had shown much interest in enforcing it. There are surely other players and coaches who were engaged in similar practices with distributors other than Harkins. Apstein’s and Prewitt’s piece is well worth a read in full for those interested in the broader context surrounding foreign substance use.
Regardless of players’ and team personnel’s past actions, it seems MLB is ready to turn the page on this issue. All signs suggest the league is prepared for a massive crackdown in the hope of reinvigorating an anemic offensive environment. It’ll be clearer shortly enough how much impact these efforts will have on the on-field product.
heinie manush
Pace of play will suffer. Batters HBP probably rises.
I like a simpler solution to increase offense-just move the mound back 1-2 ft.-SIMPLE!!!
Down with OBP
Seems simpler if they just give the pitchers the same substance to use. Something better than the rosin bag but not as sticky as spider tack.
LordD99
I wouldn’t be surprised if they eventually do that. One substance for all. Helps grip, but well short of Spider Tack.
So on a sunny day, pitchers are prevented from applying sunscreen? Can they sue when they get skin cancer?
Chester Copperpot
You can sue for literally anything, so sure, you can sue mlb for the sun giving you cancer. I mean they did prevent you from wearing sunscreen for 2 hours every 5th day…. the monsters!
Technically correct
You’re supposed to reapply most sunscreens after every 80 minutes of sweating or swimming.
Cat Mando
lordd99
“So on a sunny day, pitchers are prevented from applying sunscreen? Can they sue when they get skin cancer?” MLB never said that….This is what they said…..”Rosin bags on the mound may be used in accordance with the rules. All substances except for rosin are prohibited per the Playing Rules that clearly state players cannot “apply a foreign substance of any kind to the ball” and may not “have on his person, or in his possession, any foreign substance.” Players may not intentionally combine rosin with other substances (e.g., sunscreen) to create additional tackiness or they risk ejection and suspension. Pitchers have been advised not to apply sunscreen during night games after the sun has gone down or when playing in stadiums with closed roofs. To ensure standardization of the rosin bag, Clubs must submit the rosin bag along with the game balls to be reviewed by the umpires before the start of each game.”
Cosmo2
A voice of reason amidst the hysteria
Pads Fans
They can still use sunscreen. They just cannot be caught combining it with Rosin to make it tackier.
Fever Pitch Guy
Ten days …. so basically only one start missed for those in the rotation. Whoop-de-freakin’-do.
Cat Mando
Fever Pitch Guy….It’s actually 10 games, not games.
mlb.com/news/mlb-announces-new-guidance-to-deter-u…
Fever Pitch Guy
10 games, not games? I don’t follow …
Cat Mando
Opps….It’s actually 10 games not 10 days
LordD99
I didn’t really believe anyone would believe my main point here was that pitchers would sue MLB for skin cancer. A bit of hyperbole built around a more subtle message that it’s going to be difficult to police pitchers for relatively innocuous substances. Pitchers will have sunscreen on them during day games, or even simply a moisturizer for all games. It will get mixed on some level with rosin, especially since rosin use should increase dramatically again.
An excellent article by Travis Sawchik on theScore .com illustrates the potential difficulty in identifying sticky substances, noting that Super Blow Pop or even regular Blow Pop can increase spin rates even more than Spider Tack or Firm Grip.
As I’ve noted, comments from MLB pitchers, past and present, and players inside club houses, indicate that the overwhelming majority of pitchers have been using substances beyond “rosin” for decades. On June 21, they’ll supposedly all step “naked” on the mound, which means we could be in for an interesting show. Now I don’t believe everyone is going to stop all at once, and it may even take some time for hitters to take full advantage, but it will be surprising if we don’t see an significant uptick in hitting that goes beyond the normal trends this time of year.
Cat Mando
If you read the release by MLB there is some wiggle room. MLB is looking for the blatant cheaters. Guys wearing layers of sunscreen for night games or closed roof stadiums. As the release says ……”A player who possesses or applies foreign substances in violation of the playing rules will be immediately ejected from the game and suspended. The umpiring crew shall be the sole judge as to whether the rules have been violated.”
It also says “Umpires may perform a check at any time during the game when the umpire notices the baseball has an unusually sticky feel to it, or when the umpire observes a pitcher going to his glove, hat, belt or any other part of his uniform or body to retrieve or apply what may be a foreign substance.”
Some people seem to think that if a pitcher in the NL has a tiny bit of pine tar anywhere on him after an AB that he will be tossed. It doesn’t seem like that is the intent of the rule.
Stop Giving Billionaires Money
I like the league giving everyone the same substance and moving the mound back.
It’s safer and counters the increased velocity we see now
oldmansteve
HBPs are at an all time high prior to this being put in place.
Pace of play always suffers when offense increases.
Moving the mound back would have drastic increases in arm injuries. If you wanna increase HBP, move the mound back. Pitchers are use to commanding 60’6″ make them have to adjust to 62′ and who knows where the pitches will end up.
kingken67
Exactly right on both counts. In 1990 there was 1 hit batter for every 39.65 innings pitched in the AL. Last year that was up to 1 hit batter for every 19.5 IP. And lest anyone think that was due to the COVID shortened season, 2019 it wasn’t much better with 1 in every 22.5 IP and in 2018 it was 1 in ever 21.75 IP. Those were 3 of the 4 highest rates of HBP in the AL in the past 40 years, with the only other year that high being 2001 (1 in every 21.57 IP). The notion that all this sticky stuff is preventing HBP is simply not born out in the facts. Pitchers are even wilder now than they were before.
oldmansteve
It’s almost like the more the ball spins, the more the ball moves, and that makes it harder to control…
frankpr21
Sadly Baseball has fallen to the new trend that is infecting all areas of our society. Leave baseball alone the way it is. Let the game the way it is, players are always finding ways to compete. If you are not good enough you shouldn’t be in the Majors League. We see that the talented players are demonstrating why they are good and deserve to be paid.. I do not see Issues with Trout, Guerrero, Stanton, Tatis, Jazz, Aguilar, and many others hitting and dominating the game. So leave the game alone and it will find ways to correct itself. It just stupidity to the fullness, this commissioner is on steroids get him out before he ruins baseball. I think the game is more competitive right now. . I kook at the Marlins even thought I don’t like it, they have lost like 20 games for one or two runs but that put pressure on management, players and manager to find ways to improve the ball club. I make you use more the individual talents on the team and make it fun to watch. Do not dear to add to the distance between the mount and home plate. This will create an insane amount of injuries not only on pitchers arms but also batters getting hit. Also this will add more time per game. Right now we have a very competitive game with pure talented players showing that they belong and they are true stars baseball players. whether they are Pitchers, batters they are competing to show that they are the best playing in the Majors League.
PitcherMeRolling
Moving the mound back will result in more walks and pickoffs. Not exactly great for pace of play.
Pads Fans
And more HBP.
PitcherMeRolling
And more fouls. This idea just keeps getting worse.
anthonyd4412
The checks will only be between innings
SonnySteele
Are they in the mail, too? 😉
bkbk
ooof, did you watch the angels game last night? 4 or 5 hit batters and one was in the skull.
GASoxFan
The angels are generally not known for quality results from much of their pitching staff, and may not be a good indicator…
bklynny67
HBP has been increasing this year with all the sticky stuff they are using. Pitchers can’t even feel the ball leaving their hands they have so much stuff on it. You can literally hear the ball rip out of their hands sometimes.
SonnySteele
Maybe all the umps need to do is shake hands with the pitchers. If they have trouble getting their hands back, he’s busted!
Stevil
Moving the mound would open a whole new can of worms and pace of play will always be an issue with 8 or 9-man bullpens. Limit staffs to 12 and allow teams to option players more frequently as a compromise and maybe things pick up.
RobM
Lowering the top of the strike zone would help too.
Tiger_diesel92
Top of the strike zone is already around the belt in today’s game, why move it down lower than that. Blame hitters who can’t bluntly adjust to the shift and stop pulling the ball all the time
tanner829 2
Pace of play Isn’t effected- do some due diligence! Checks will be in commercial breaks. And players WONT get hit more- players have ALWAYS been able to use rosin, and are still allowed too. Your reasoning make no sense and are just fear mongering and delusional.
donotinteruptMYkungfu
Umm read the article as there is no distinction of foreign substances moving forward….
Cat Mando
donotinteruptMYkungfu………….
From MLB’s official release……..””Rosin bags on the mound may be used in accordance with the rules. All substances except for rosin are prohibited per the Playing Rules that clearly state players cannot “apply a foreign substance of any kind to the ball” and may not “have on his person, or in his possession, any foreign substance.” Players may not intentionally combine rosin with other substances (e.g., sunscreen) to create additional tackiness or they risk ejection and suspension. Pitchers have been advised not to apply sunscreen during night games after the sun has gone down or when playing in stadiums with closed roofs. To ensure standardization of the rosin bag, Clubs must submit the rosin bag along with the game balls to be reviewed by the umpires before the start of each game.”
Armaments216
Henceforth pitchers will be limited to applying the following officially sponsored MLB products: Blue Emu, Flonase, Lysol, OxiClean, Arm & Hammer, Scott’s, Taco Bell, Utz, Gatorade, HyperIce, Budweiser, Evan Williams, Woodbridge.
Pads Fans
@heinie Maybe actually READ the article abut it before commenting. HBP the last 4 seasons are the 4 highest highest since 1901, so the tacky substances being used obviously are making HBP worse, not better.. All inspections of pitchers will be done between innings so that will not slow pace of play. Mute you if you make any more inane comments like that – SIMPLE!!
timyanks
moving the mound will only make things worse. pitchers can’t throw strikes now
Deleted_User
The old threatening to block/mute people tell.
George Ruth
By moving the mound back you are asking for even more Injuries to Pitchers & there are already too many injuries to pitchers & if you didn’t know it using a foreign substance violates the rules of the game even before the announcement that MLB was going to start cracking down on it
Poster formerly known as . . .
Yeah, that’ll lessen pitcher injuries.
That was sarcasm, by the way.
baseballpun
While I agree in theory that there’s a line as to foreign substances that shouldn’t be crossed, you’ve got a league full of guys who can throw 100 mph but can’t control for s***. If they can’t grip the ball, it’s going to be carnage.
Yeti
Isn’t the point that the evidence is dubious on whether better sticky substances actually do improve command.
oldmansteve
You act like the ball is made of goo. If a 12 year old can grip a baseball, then a grown ass man can. Stop with the hysterical crying about some 6’4″ dude with 9″ hands who can’t grip a damn baseball. You look dumb.
bkbk
Think about it like this. Have you tried to pull a car out of a sharp turn at 5 mph? Then have you tried at 100 mph? Physics is unforgiving.
tesseract
Yeah because throwing 100mph is the same as throwing 45mph
GASoxFan
Or, you know, they just need to return to PITCHING, and stop just HURLING as hard as they can hoping to find the plate…
kingken67
Exactly on point! The entire league has rewarded pitch speed vs. accuracy for a while now. Of course you’re going to have a ton of pitches going who knows where in that scenario, regardless of what the pitcher is coating their hands with. When every single pitching prospect for a team has the same comment about hitting 94-98mph with their fastball but needing to improve command maybe it’s time to stop prioritizing the speed and look for that command. Just like on the opposite side of the ball maybe not prioritize power vs. actual contact.
GASoxFan
I’ve never been a pitcher, so take this with a grain of salt and it’s why I disclose that up front.
But.
I like to think to some small degree that pitching is a bit like a golf swing. You can try to crush the ball as hard as you can. It may go further and have a harder impact. But it also may go wild more often too..
But if you relax your swing a little, don’t push as hard, and concentrate on a smoother motion it goes a lot closer to where you wanted it.
Cosmo2
Yea it’s be nice if they actually fixed things by going back to what made the game great instead of implementing rule changes to counteract modern quirks. Pitchers trying to throw 110 mph instead of pitching, hitters going for the fences or K’ing…
LordD99
I guess we’re about to find that out. Hopefully no one gets seriously hurt. That’s probably why hitters, such as Pete Alonso, spoke out against the ban. It’s twofold. They have to step in the batters box against these now “naked” pitchers. They also know their own pitchers are benefiting.
As I said elsewhere. MLB created this problem by ignoring it, and also lowering the seams on balls in past years, forcing more pitchers to experiment. The seams are now supposedly higher this year, so couple that with grip enhancers, and we have higher spin rates and decreased hitting.
I’m more curious to see how long it takes for pitchers to adjust, and if there are bigger winners and losers. Some top pitchers may go from having a 2.00 ERA to a 3.00 ERA. Still good when adjusting to the league. I wonder, though, if some might really collapse, especially relievers. Or, if some will benefit comparatively. I believe sinker ballers benefit from lower spin rates, so they probably don’t use grip enhancers.
RobM
The top pitchers will still be quite good, although we may have to adjust how we view what is considered top if K’s decrease and ERAs increase. I do believe many relievers will be hard hit by this chance as they often only have two pitches, generally have poorer command and many have been selected due to their spin rates.
If MLB truly enforces this, we should see a significant increase in offense in a near term, and a chance in pitching style and approaches in the long term. I’m not necessarily convinced they’ll follow through on this long enough to make a difference, but we’re about to find out.
GASoxFan
@Rob, I like to think the fact they started in the minors before moving to the majors with the change in enforcement signals it will be a longer systemic process. Clearly they’re trying to stop prospects now, and in effect, alter how prospects get evaluated coming up as well.
Will it have the desired effect? Not sure. But, this pitchers version of the Mitchell Report clearly saw enough evidence that they felt it needed to be addressed.
George Ruth
Those pitchers you mention should learn to be a pitcher & not just be a thrower
sufferforsnakes
Suspended…..with pay? Yeah, that’s a deterrent.
Luc (Soto 3rd best in the game)
But if they keep getting suspended they won’t have a team or no one will sign them in FA.
Joel Peterson
It’s almost like they are not paying attention to what’s going on in the world today. How stupid is this????
schwender
Forces you to miss a start. Do you think the Mets are happy when deGrom misses a start?
GASoxFan
I think it two fold – 1) puts the pressure on teams, coaches, and the dugout to lean on the guy not to use, and, 2) a suspension without pay may be harder to implement, and, make more union troubles.
Joe says...
The team can’t replace the suspended player. They are down a man for those ten games.
RobM
These are highly, highly competitive people. Missing starts to get 10 days off is not in their DNA. It will also hurt their teams. Finally, if they don’t change and keep getting ejected, they’ll lose their jobs. Teams can’t keep absorbing 10-game suspensions from their pitchers.
George Ruth
The Union would have to agree to a suspension without pay & the Union won’t agree so MLB has to do the next best thing
wileycoyote56
What would be hilarious, what if every pitcher decides to use it on same night? 300 plus suspensions, games canceled, no revenue. Wonder what that poor excuse for a commissioner would do then?
SonnySteele
Or this scenario: Every pitcher in the All-Star game gets himself busted for Spider Tack.
etex211
The commissioner sucks, to be sure, but this crack down on cheating pitchers is the correct thing to do.
Albert Belle's corked bat
No rosin/sunscreen for grip. Get rid of pine tar on backs then.
GASoxFan
Straight rosin is still approved….
SonnySteele
Hard to get it off your back in the shower, too, I imagine. 😉
George Ruth
I guess you’re not smart enough to know that Rosin doesn’t improve the grip on the baseball & is a legal substance to dry the hands not to help the Pitcher’s cheat with pine tar or spider tack or as Gaylord Perry used Vaseline
Cat Mando
Made of magnesium carbonate powder and pine resin studies have shown that it does improve grip somewhat……..
ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7739770/#:~:text=….
LordD99
So for the first time in about 100 years, all pitchers will be throwing to hitters without some type of grip enhancer. Should be interesting.
I support the enforcement, but this entire situation was created by MLB. They ignored the growing use of grip enhancers because they didn’t believe it was a problem, thus encouraging it. Worse, they kept fiddling with the ball construction, lowering the seams prior to 2021, making it more difficult to throw breaking pitches, causing pitchers to further seek out various types of sticky substances.
Beyond that, let’s not pretend you’re outraged by use of grip enhancers. You didn’t care until MLB made this an issue, and, yes, the overwhelming majority of pitchers on your favorite team use it. Err, used to.
GASoxFan
The rosin bag is a grip enhancer that is still around and has been in use long ago.
LordD99
I’m talking about beyond the accepted rosin bags since reports indicate pitchers have been using many other grip enhancers for a long time, with pine tar being used before any of us here were born.
SonnySteele
MLB owners should fine themselves for this fine mess.
gwell55
So with this new rule the Nat league with have to go to a DH or the pitcher who bats will have to be suspended for touching his bat with all the pine tar on it. Every batter touches his bat with and without his gloves on. How is MLB going to compensate for that!
Cat Mando
gwell55
reductio ad absurdum
George Ruth
The Dumb Hitter (DH) DOES NOT BELONG IN THE NATIONAL LEAGUE & if the pitcher’s are too much of a coward to step in the batters box then they should get out of the game
NoRegretzkys
If a pitcher can’t throw over the plate without the assistance of a foreign substance, keeping in mind the rosin bag on the mound is already permitted to aid with grip, then they do not belong in professional baseball.
bkbk
Gotta love the equanimity of domestic violence and sunscreen on your fingers being almost identical suspension. *chefs kiss Rob*
flacco13
DV is an 80 game suspension
bkbk
no its not
flacco13
So you’re right in that its not 80. Aroldos got 30, Addison russel got 80, robert osuna gor 75, jose reyes at 75, dyson 162, german 81, herrera 85. Urias only 20 but he was accused of shoving a woman and the woman claims she fell and was not shoved. But yea, the penalties for DV ARE SIGNIFICANTLY more sever than this mew 10 game rule
RobM
Chapman was the first player suspended under the current DV policy, and he received 30 games, which is now on the low end. Sam Dyson has been suspended for an entire year. The average is somewhere up in the 40-70 game range, all with no pay.
So, yeah, your comparison is not even close.
LordD99
Or more.
Bartman
“will be suspended for ten days, with pay.’ Some of the players are lazy as hell. A 10 day vacation WITH pay – wow, a paid vacation.
RobM
A “10 day vacation WITH pay” and not doing anything is something you’d enjoy. It’s one of many reasons you’d fail as a MLB pitcher or a high-performing athlete. You’re vacant and weak.
rond-2
Pine tar off bats next??
SonnySteele
Aluminum bats.
Cosmo2
Aluminum bats would completely alter the game. (Not to mention be extremely dangerous)
SonnySteele
I know. I was kidding. I hate aluminum bats.
George Ruth
HELL NO
etex211
I could go for that. Let’s also get rid of the rosin bag.
LordD99
There’s no indication that pine tar on bats enhance hitting. It does prevent bats from flying all over the place and injuring players, coaches and fans.
Oldman58
Maybe guys will stop trying to throw the ball 100 mph and actually learn how to pitch. That may help reduce the number of arm injuries.
MilwaukeeStrong
“10 day suspension for any pitcher using a foreign substance except anyone that plays for the Astros…you guys are good to go”
Dennis Boyd
Andrew Bailey, Giants pitching coach was willing to use novel grip enhancements…wonder if this has anything to do with how the Giants have been making all-stars out of average pitchers the last 2 years…
LordD99
Some teams have no doubt been better at this, although likely simply by targeting pitchers with higher spin rates and not caring how they’re doing it. Some pitchers naturally have higher spin rates. Others, uhh, less so.
Now, if you believe your team or favorite pitcher is clean, I’ve got a bridge to sell you.
jhanley108
MLB did everything they could to give hitters the advantage by lowering the seams on the ball and making the rawhide slicker, pitchers had to adjust for grip.
RobM
This does seem to be lost in the conversation. MLB enabled this, and now they will conveniently blame the athletes. Tanaka basically lost the capability to effectively throw his trademark splitter with the lower seams on the ball.
GASoxFan
So Tanaka wasn’t good enough for mlb baseball then.
Plenty of other guys succeeded before and after. Plenty of guys from Japan and Korea can’t hack it when faced with differences in the MLB rules. Same with college all Stars at the top of the draft.
RobM
That’s a funny and uninformed opinion. Are you even aware who you’re talking about here? The pitcher who lost his best pitch when MLB lowered the seams on the ball, and then reinvented how he gripped the baseball as well as his overall pitch mix, so that he STILL put up a 120 ERA+ his final season? Few pitchers lose their best pitch, reinventing themselves on the fly and remain good. A guy who was regarded always as an intelligent pitcher, not a thrower. That’s the guy not good enough? The only reason he’s back in Japan is the Yankees decided not to afford him as they were resetting their luxury tax. He has two home teams. One in Japan and one in North America — The Eagles and the Yankees. He had no interest in pitching for another MLB team. He’s likely back in MLB with the Yankees next year once they reset their luxury tax. Too bad he missed the raised seams on the balls this year. He’d have his best pitch back at near peak levels.
The Baseball Fan
Gerrit Cole out for the year lmao
mils100
One thing the MLB offices are really good at is denigrating their product and players. Instead of actually coming up w/ a solution, the key is to treat all of your pitchers as cheaters for something you allowed forever – same as steroids..
Of course, offense was already trending up because of pitcher injuries, warmer weather, etc. Sure, this is an issue to be addressed but the way the MLB office is handling this is just more incompetence. But maybe this’ll hurt some player’s images prior to the CBA so it’s all good, right? Then again, this will likely do nothing, they’ll enforce it for a couple of weeks for show and maybe even bust 1-2 random guys to show thy mean business and then forget it.
LordD99
MLB created the issue and now they’re attempting a knee-jerk “solution” in the middle of the season, in the process vilifying the players, and further damaging their product. No major sport is worse at marketing.
teachdad46
“…it seems MLB is ready to turn the page on this issue.” ??
Seriously?
MLB is opening a can of worms here, and they know it as evidenced by the “..suspended WITH pay” part of the equation. They’re trying to keep the Players’ Association out of the coming fracas. Good luck with that.
They should have dealt with this during the offseason, before teams reported for Spring Training. They also should have a standardized method of prepping ALL baseballs in a uniform manner. With the advances in materials sciences today there’s no excuse for ‘rubbing them with mud from a super-secret-source down south”.
What baseball needs more than anything else is competent ownership and leadership.
What it’s got is a mess.
RobM
There is an agreed-upon penalty already in the books, so that’s likely why they’re going this route. They’d need to get approval from the MLBPA for longer penalties. They can bring this up in the next CBA, although I suspect they have more massive problems to deal with.
tim815
If a player is suspended for ten days, with pay, is he exempted from the 26 and 40 man rosters (like with a drug use suspension or a COVID scenario), or still on the rosters (like with “deliberately throwing at the hitter”)?
Armaments216
Great question!
tim815
Apparently, it’s being treated like “throwing at hitter”, not “substance abuse suspension”.
Armaments216
The updated article now says it’s the latter: no replacement allowed on the roster. It’ll be almost impossible for a team to go 10 days if they end up with more than one pitcher suspended simultaneously.
Anthony Franco
Good question I hadn’t previously considered. MLB just confirmed in their memo that it’s treated as an on-field rules violation, so players cannot be replaced on the active or 40-man rosters.
RobM
So if three or four pitchers are caught at the same time, teams will have position players starting. Perhaps similar to suspensions for on-field brawl, MLB may be able to stagger the suspensions. I suppose it will make teams more likely to self-enforce.
GASoxFan
There’s always the appeals process to stagger the suspensions somewhat…
TalkingBaseball
Could they be any slower to move? They’ve been talking about it for awhile, now they say they will start on the 21st? Just start, no need for more grace period.
seamaholic 2
They need to work out the details with the umps. It’s not so simple and the umps need a system. What’s OK and what’s not, when they should strip search and when they shouldn’t, what they do when they suspect something (do they have little sample kits they then send in to MLB?), do they let opposing managers’ suspicions drive their investigations when they might just be trying to rile up a guy who’s hot, all that.
LordD99
I’d say this is a fairly rapid implementation. They gave warning, suspended a few minor leaguers, basically giving notice to teams and pitchers, and now they’ve set a hard date.
nottinghamforest13
Apstein seems like a bit of an instigator.
seamaholic 2
Watching the Giants very closely once they finally get this going. Also the Brewers and A’s.
MilwaukeeStrong
uhhh the Brewers have 3 electric starters and 2 electric bullpen arms. the rest are mehh. Barely any.
Giants entire pitching is looking like Randy Johnson-pretty sus to me. Same with the Rays. Why does every mediocre pitcher go there and become Nolan Ryan??? hmmmm
LordD99
So how many pitchers are suspended on day one? Any guesses from the masses?
In order for this to have teeth, there will have to be victims to show as an example, and MLB will definitely be focused on nailing a big name or three. Scherzer, deGrom, Cole, Bieber (temporarily saved by a trip to the IL), etc. all will be under heavy scrutiny as MLB will want to land a big fish. Of course, the biggest abusers are likely relievers, and since they only come in for three batters to one inning, that means umpires will constantly in the club house checking for substances. This won’t be easy.
donotinteruptMYkungfu
I’d say Bauer has been the most vocal against MLB in a lot subjects (not that he is wrong) so he will be one that MLB would want brought down.
So much for a union if your employer gets o change rules, baseballs and punishment whenever they want..shows the owners as ruthless thugs shaking down everybody,.lies about it then starts crying victim same time….yea let’s save baseball
BlueSkies_LA
Finalist, Puzzling Post of the Week Award.
PutPeteinthehall
Bauer has cheated his way into his current contract. He also advertised it. Let’s see how he pitches without grip enhancement. He plays in the NL. A 95 mph heater hurts. I’ll be surprised if he doesn’t get plunked a few times soon. I’d imagine most pitchers now hate this guy if they didn’t already. He should pray nightly for the DH next year.
bucsfan0004
10 game suspension with pay? Sounds like a vacation to me
etex211
It’s one missed start for a starting pitcher.
Spare Tire Dixon
10 games. Not 10 days.
bbatardo
Ban seems kind of high.. They should have done 5 games for 1st offense, 10 for 2nd, 15 for 3rd.
Cosmo2
I think that with all the advanced warning they’re getting, any pitcher that breaks the rule from here on out perhaps deserves more than a ten game ban.
Bob333
How about we just allow steroids for the hitters and substances for the pitchers sounds like a fair trade off.MLB is a JOKE.Now the games will take 4-5 hrs with all the stops to check the
pitchers.
etex211
All the talk of moving the mound and handcuffing the defenses is just stupid. The rules for fixing offense have been on the books all along.
I’d like to see big fines and escalating suspensions for cheating pitchers. How about 10, then 25, then 81?
tim815
Joe West gotta luv this.
RobM
Yeah, but now if Joe West blows a call (as he does regularly), he will have to go into the club house to check the pitcher who will then get his “private moment” to confront West. 50/50 chance West never emerges from a Club House this year.
hiflew
Darn “foreign substances.” I keep telling everyone that they need to buy their cheating supplies locally. if it is made in America, it can’t be a “foreign substance.”
jdgoat
Not being able to replace that pitcher on the roster is a great addition. That’s actually a great deterrent.
VonPurpleHayes
Not a coincidence that teams started hitting a little bit more lately, and I expect that trend to continue.
RobM
I do expect hitting to increase with less foreign substances, but the recent uptick in hitting is apparently in line with what we’ve seen in prior years as the weather warms, pitchers become more fatigued, etc.
Ducky Buckin Fent
{ waits patiently for said recent uptick to reach the Yanks… }
Cat Mando
LOL….Well, the entire ALE is included in the top 10 teams with increased spin rate from 2020-2021 so that day may be coming….
si.com/mlb/2021/06/04/sticky-stuff-is-the-new-ster…
KJS1313
Maybe there is some correlation with increased velocity, injuries, and the use of more effective substances for pitchers. If you read Blevins’ tweets, he says that pitchers now don’t command their pitches and only try to throw hard. I see his point completely. Maybe having no substances will make pitchers slow down and learn how to really pitch, not throw max effort with no control like many do? I understand that tack is supposed to help grip, but perhaps it’s purpose has mostly shifted to spin rate alteration. That would explain teams hiring really chemists to explore new substances. That would seem to be overkill for the benefits that “grip-enhancement” might bring. Maybe we will see a drop in pitcher injuries? What are your guys’ thoughts on this?
JerryBird
10 day suspension is nothing more than being on the 10 day IL. Both still get paid. The team is punished by not replacing the pitcher on the roster. No biggie, so why not cheat? The punishment will go unnoticed. I love to hate MLB and their waste of time with new rules. Make it 30 days with half pay or better yet, no pay.
Cat Mando
10 game not 10 day
JerryBird
Oops, my bad. Still won’t have a great deal of impact. It will give them more rest for going a full 5 innings in a game.
Cat Mando
If you read the full MLB release it will have more impact than you may think. Repeat offenders face progressive discipline/suspensions.
“Any Club employee who encourages a player to use foreign substances, or otherwise trains a player how to utilize a foreign substance in violation of the rules, will be subject to severe discipline by the Commissioner up to and including placement on the Ineligible List.”
“If a player other than the pitcher is found to have applied a foreign substance to the baseball (e.g., the catcher applies a foreign substance to the baseball before throwing it back to the pitcher), both the position player and pitcher will be ejected and automatically suspended.”
“Clubs and Club personnel are subject to sanctions for failing to adequately educate and manage or police their staff and players to ensure compliance with the rules. The Department of Investigations will investigate Clubs whose players repeatedly violate the rules to determine the extent to which Club personnel were aware of or otherwise condoned the practice.”
Spare Tire Dixon
10 games. For a starting pitcher, that’s just under 1/3 of their starts. That’s an impact.
seamaholic 2
It’s a team penalty more than a personal one. Which I think is exactly right.
BlueSkies_LA
The team being made to play short is potentially a pretty big deal. With that the pressure for compliance is being exerted more on the teams than on the players. For such a systemic problem this actually makes sense.
jim stem
Starters miss 2 starts. This also hinders performance clauses and future contracts.
I think an even bigger deterrent would be to ALSO suspend the manager and pitching coach.
Bottom line is, any suspension will be appealed and hard proof will be needed. With all the video tech, it shouldn’t be that hard. Not to mention, balls will be probably have to be shipped out for chemical analysis.
But honestly, how can you suspend a pitcher for having pine tar on his hands after batting? Seems to me, all he has to do is build his own rosin bag. Unstitch one, add some sugar, silica, garlic powder (stuff is ridiculously tacky!) and voila, he has his own legal grip aid and yet never has to apply anything unnatural to the ball.
Truth be told, if any substance is clear and used in moderation, no one is going to know unless a pitcher is seen applying it.
Cat Mando
“To ensure standardization of the rosin bag, Clubs must submit the rosin bag along with the game balls to be reviewed by the umpires before the start of each game.”
GASoxFan
Clear substances will be short erm gain long term loss..
I’m sure there will be random ball collections if an ump is seeing something, and, I’m sure mlb will ask the umps to collect balls on certain guys based on statcast data.
You may not get ejected in game, but, you’ll get suspended a couple days later once they test.
skullbreathe
So no sunscreen? MLBPA should refuse to play any day games… Manfred’s an idiot…
Cat Mando
Nowhere does the MLB say no sunscreen. What they said is ……….. “Rosin bags on the mound may be used in accordance with the rules. All substances except for rosin are prohibited per the Playing Rules that clearly state players cannot “apply a foreign substance of any kind to the ball” and may not “have on his person, or in his possession, any foreign substance.” Players may not intentionally combine rosin with other substances (e.g., sunscreen) to create additional tackiness or they risk ejection and suspension. Pitchers have been advised not to apply sunscreen during night games after the sun has gone down or when playing in stadiums with closed roofs. To ensure standardization of the rosin bag, Clubs must submit the rosin bag along with the game balls to be reviewed by the umpires before the start of each game.”
Sabermetric Acolyte
So… a hitter ingests a foreign substance to alter the game and they get suspended for half a season. A pitcher smears a foreign substance over themselves and they lose one start or maybe three relief appearances.
Also, 10 day and not 10 games… good job MLB showing how tough you are by doing the minimum.
Cat Mando
“Repeat offenders will be subject to progressive discipline. Clubs and Club personnel will also be subject to discipline for failure to ensure compliance with these rules.” And….”Suspensions under Rule 3.01 are 10 games.”
basquiat
This story just popped up as a red banner headline on the Washington Post.
Kevin28786
My thoughts are this. Allow pitchers to use the old rosin bag and be done with it. They might have to learn how to PITCH again instead of just THROWING.
JerryBird
Pitching is a dying art. Just like hitting.
Vizionaire
remember they have to wipe off rosin before grabbing a ball. it’s not hand-dryer.
p4dr35
Sorry Dodgers, no more cheating!
LordD99
Sorry other 29 MLB teams too.
Stop Giving Billionaires Money
Padres have league leaders in spin rate.
I think every team has guys doing it though.
Cat Mando
Dodgers have the highest jump in 4-seamer spin rate from 2020-2021…7.04%. Next closest is CWS at 4..20%
si.com/mlb/2021/06/04/sticky-stuff-is-the-new-ster…
MilwaukeeStrong
But why didnt Manfred have this same kind of energy for the Astros discipline? He is such a clown.
Sending lots of mixed messages right now of what kind of cheating is tolerable and what kind of cheating is not.
FrankRoo
Fully on board with this. In fact I’d like to see much more regulated equipment in the MLB. Historical stats are already useless as equipment has changed over the years, mound height changes, rules changes, replay, etc. The increased spin rate happening within the league the last few years has been particularly annoying to me as a fan. The justification of it given by pitchers as always lame and not born out by stats. It’s simply a tool to give pitchers an unfair advantage over other pitchers. Pitchers are paid based on their statistics so pitchers who do not participate in the use of sticky substances suffer and are compared against other pitchers who are by the rules cheating. It’s a similar issue with performance enhancing drugs. Players who use them see the benefits, huge contracts, etc, but those who did not use them only saw their statistics become comparatively worse than their peers who did. It then promotes everyone to “join in” or get left behind.
jim stem
Is it just me, or did I notice that each pitcher had his own rosin bag?
I have a suggestion: when a team throws a ball out of play, it must go to the umpire prior to be tossed out.
What I think the problem here is bigger: the overall lack of enforcement of ALL rules.
Let’s revamp the ball rule for lefties.
Let’s limit how many times a team can shift. I think, like football, you have to have a legal lineup. The game has positions snd those positions should be enforced. Read that as the shortstop and 3bman MUST remain on their side of the field prior to the pitch being delivered. Same for 2b and 1b.
Cat Mando
“To ensure standardization of the rosin bag, Clubs must submit the rosin bag along with the game balls to be reviewed by the umpires before the start of each game.”
BlueSkies_LA
Some rules are enforced, others not. With the new sliding rule the neighborhood play was supposed to be a thing of the past, but umpires still call it most of the time. I agree infield shifting is out of hand. Positioning provides a huge advantage to defenders even without the radical shifts. Batters could also be doing a lot more to limit the effectiveness of shifting. Lefty power hitters should be learning how to slap a pitch to the opposite field.
I’ve always thought it was strange that if a pitch touches the dirt, that ball is automatically taken out of play, but a batted ball is returned to the pitcher and he gets to decide whether he wants to throw it again. I wonder if that rule (assuming it even is one) will change now.
jim stem
“Balk” rule…
While we are at it, this review system needs a total revamp. There is zero reason an umpire should have to walk off the field, put on head phones, make a call and wait for an answer from NY. Just put a damn 5th umpire in the booth and give them direct contact.
Or if a call is challenged, just look up at the farm video replay in centerfield. It shouldn’t take 6 or 7 minutes to make this decision from the the dugout to the umpire to NY and then back on the field.
You get one wrong challenge per game. And if it’s wrong, you are also charged with a mound visit. If you are right, no penalty and you still get another challenge.
groundhog5150
“Oh boy, is this great!”
-Flounder
SonnySteele
Flounder: The man who made the line “Are you guys playing cards?” funny.
Bob333
There goes the Giants lead all the subpar pitchers on the staff having a season like never before.Thanks to PC Andrew Bailey the CHEATER and weirdo MGR Kapler
oleosmirf
Should change the title to MLB to ENFORCE 10 game suspensions. The suspensions were already in the rulebook, the umpires were just told to look the other way
SonnySteele
What kind of a rinky dink sports league would let all and sundry break a rule whenever they like, then suddenly say “Guess what? We’re going to enforce that one now.”?
I guess the answer to my question is Major League Baseball, which becomes more of a joke every year lately.
Get rid of the softball players
What a joke
10 day suspension with pay.
No repercussions for cheaters.
LordD99
You do realize you’ve been watching a game where likely 90%+ of pitchers, including your favorites, have been cheating for the past 100 years, including virtually all pitchers in the Hall of Fame?
This is as much as anything a team punishment and encouragement for teams to police their own pitchers. You can lose a starter for 10 games, but if he keeps using a substance, he’ll get another suspension, and a longer one. MLB is trying to put the genie back in the bottle after they opened it up.
hd-electraglide
Cheat, don’t cheat, Enforce rules or don’t enforce rules. That doesn’t even rank in the top 100 things that concerns me. It ain’t going to change my life one iota, one way or the other. I’ll continue following baseball like I have for the past 65+ years. The one thing that is concerning to me is domestic violence. Those charged and convicted should never be allowed back on the diamond.
Spare Tire Dixon
Ozuna should never be allowed back. From a league perspective, draw a line and give that roster spot to someone else. I say it as a Braves fan who was excited to see them re-signed Marcell in the offseason. Now, I say ban him from MLB.
carlos15
Can we suspend Manfred for being a dipsh*t?
Spare Tire Dixon
This was already the rule. They are just choosing to enforce it at an odd time, cracking down midseason instead of in the offseason. The pitchers crying foul is curious, because most these substances were already supposed to be illegal.
Poster formerly known as . . .
This sounds somewhat similar to the choice faced by hitters using steroids.
Choice #1: Keep cheating and risk getting caught in order to boost one’s value and potentially increase one’s next payday by many millions of dollars.
Choice #2; Stop cheating and suffer a decline in effectiveness, risking the loss of one’s roster spot to competitors who also might be cheating, and potentially lose millions of dollars.
In the case of pitchers, what’s worse: a 10-day suspension or 60 days on the IL?
Additionally, these are suspensions WITH PAY. And if Manfred’s office really wanted to punish offenders, the suspension would be based on outings, not days; e.g., a starter would miss ten starts, not two.
All told, this looks like another half-baked idea from the folks who brought you the Steroids Era and “the home run race that saved baseball.”
Rob, maybe you shouldn’t have dicked around with the manufacture of the baseballs to begin with, eh?
joew
good. I didn’t see if there is a tiers suspension? like 20 games after two issues?
like steroids, time to cut it down best you can.
For a time it was a decent thing.. kept some people in the game rather than flipping to Frasier reruns. EDIT and it wasn’t producing a crap ton of perfect game runs…
when you got bad players and they magically be come mvp type players with in a couple months of moving teams… it gets suspicious.shortly after Bonds, Sosa and Big Mac.. Steroids became a thing in the news. Shortly after Cole, Glasgow, Morton… talking about pirates since I’m a pirate fan Stickies are a thing in the news.