The Blue Jays are “focused on” upgrading the relief corps, general manager Ross Atkins told reporters (including Keegan Matheson of MLB.com). Presumably, that’ll involve acquiring some help from outside the organization, but rival clubs have set high asking prices on potential trade candidates to this point, reports Ben Nicholson-Smith of Sportsnet.
On the whole, the Toronto relief unit hasn’t fared all that poorly. Jays relievers have posted middle-of-the-road numbers (3.94 ERA, 24.9% strikeout rate, 10.8% walk rate, 3.98 SIERA) over the course of the season. They’ve fallen on harder times recently, though, pitching to just a 5.25 ERA/4.89 FIP since the start of June. Only Jordan Romano and Trent Thornton have backed up strong run prevention numbers with quality peripherals all year. The Jays did just acquire Jacob Barnes from the Mets, but he’s amidst a poor season of his own, so there’s surely room for further additions.
As always, there are a few quality relievers who figure to be available in advance of the July 30 trade deadline. Pirates closer Richard Rodríguez and Orioles southpaw Paul Fry are each having good years. Cole Sulser, Ian Kennedy, José Cisnero, Michael Fulmer, John Curtiss and Mychal Givens (currently on the 10-day IL) are among the other relievers performing well for non-contenders.
There’s also some chance of the Jays deepening the bullpen with internal options. Atkins didn’t rule out the possibility of Nate Pearson and Tom Hatch, both of whom are working out the rotation at Triple-A Buffalo, being recalled to pitch in relief capacities. The GM also suggested (via Matheson) the Jays could welcome back Ryan Borucki and Julian Merryweather from the injured list in the coming weeks. Borucki is expected back sometime around the end of the month, per Atkins, with Merryweather looking at a potential return in early July.
While the pitching staff looks to be the top priority for the 35-35 Jays, the front office is also looking for ways to add to the offense. Toronto is seeking another left-handed bat, according to Nicholson-Smith, who reports they were interested in first baseman Mike Ford before the Yankees traded him to the Rays this week. Toronto’s incumbent lefty first baseman/DH, Rowdy Tellez, has struggled to a .209/.272/.338 slash line across 151 plate appearances.
thecoffinnail
Still can’t figure out why the Tigers didn’t trade Fulmer a couple of years ago when they could have gotten a massive haul for him. The whole reason the Mets included him in the original trade was because he was always getting injured in the minors. Not sure why Detroit thought he would suddenly start pitching 30 games a year. They could have fleeced someone really bad. I know he is a right handed bat but I wonder if Toronto could entice Cespedes into playing half a year. He always was a beast when he had something to prove and I bet he could pick up 1st without an issue and take some DH at-bats. Just a random thought. He was a natural athlete and has stayed in shape.
high_upside
Doesn’t really seem like a right handed bat to play 1st abs DH is an area of need though.
sfes
As a Mets fan who experienced the catharsis of a 2nd half in 2015… I say it’s definitely worth a shot
iverbure
Why on earth would the jays need yet another RH DH only bat? One that hasn’t played in 3 years.
sfes
The Dodgers are on line 1 for you, sir. Something about some guy named Poo holes?
WillDS
They needed a right power bat that could destroy lefties. Not a need the Jays have.
17dizzy
If they are wanting a Lefthanded bat for bench help. The Cardinals have Matt Carpenter who can not only give you Home run power from the bench—- but could also serve as a substitute utility infielder when needed.
The Cardinals are needing top prospect pitching in return.
bigdaddyt
So jays should give up on promising young LH 1B/DH Rowdy Tellez so they can give playing time to yet another poor fielding RH power first low average player who hasnt been healthy in years. No wonder the mets have been a tire fire for years despite having some legit talent
sfes
Never did I say he should start or take any playing time. Bat off the bench. Occasional DH. And those who live in glass houses shouldn’t throw stones
bigdaddyt
so the jays should have 3 1st basemen on the roster then? and what glass house is this the jays aren’t the mets… leafs on the other hand
sfes
The Mets have had much more postseason success or even appearances than the Jays since the Jays won in 92 and 93
sfes
You would know more than I do being a Jays fan. Probably a bad idea. Just had the idea pop in my head.
bigdaddyt
thats cool man im very very sad at you brining up the 2 world series teams the jays have how many them mets have again?
sfes
Yeah 2. The idea that the Jays have had more success than the Mets just simply isn’t true. But like I said you’d know their roster needs better than me. Ces probably wouldn’t even be able to stay healthy anyway
sfes
In fact I’m really pulling for you guys. The roster is packed with young talent and they did a great job in free agency adding pieces to get their window pried open sooner. They really could use an ace though. The Jays offense and the Mets pitching staff would be diabolical
bigdaddyt
thanks i too was hopeful that mets would be good this year. jays dont need anymore bats once springer is healthy even a 3rd basemen really is only a luxury item as Biggio can be good there. Also jays have a legit ACE in Ryu guys a beast. the two teams combined would win every year
sfes
Doesn’t even need much more than a look to see if there’s anything left in the tank. If it doesn’t go well for him, cut him loose. Cheap, low risk, high reward
despicable_you
Does anyone else think that the lighting in Buffalo is absolutely horrendous. It renders the games there virtually unwatchable.
Fanthopoulos
You must be a Yankees fan.
Stevil
Because he has obviously been watching Blue Jays’ games?
bigdaddyt
because the yankees manager complained last year very publicly about the lighting in buffalo…. BTW the jays fixed this issue with crazy new LED lights that are very bright
despicable_you
I’m not a NYY fan at all, I tuned in to the game and I noticed that the field looked dark in some areas and bright in others, it’s quite annoying to look at.
bigdaddyt
were the dark spots by chance during a home run
RallyCap
Jays over performed last year (check their pythagorean record) and squeaked into the playoffs. The division has only gotten tougher, they’ve had some poor luck, and they prioritized the wrong things in the offseason.
Given the large window this core has, I’d rather see them make the “all in move” in the offseason, not now when they’ve already given their playoff chances a massive hit.
That said, I know management needs to say what they need to say to keep the fans engaged.
Nantaico
You cite their pythagorean record from last year, but ignore it this year (39-31)..
If you watch the games you’d see they have specific holes that are fixable and elite offense. They could take off. Similar to the 2015 Jays
RallyCap
I think you’re making my point…you can’t go back and pick up those extra wins. What they do speak to is this team’s true talent level, which is what you can build on for next year.
Unlike 2015, this core is not at the end of it’s window. It is at the beginning. Given their record and the ground they have to make up, this is not the year to trade all their assets for “one last push” like in 2015/2016.
smuzqwpdmx
Right, no team that was .500 in June has ever been able to recover from that unimaginably huge hole.
RallyCap
Facts. Good comment. If this was reddit, I’d give you an award!
bigdaddyt
thats the point. Shapiro has said ssoooooo many times the jays did what they did this offseason so they didnt handicap themselves in terms of salary commitment so they can go after some of the super crop of free agents this year. And unlike 2015/16 jays top prospects have much much much hire ceilings than Daniel Norris so wont be trading all assets for a push but i would very much imagine they will make similar moves to last deadline when they pushed out decent prospects but not ones that would factor into the core going forward
fathead0507
They can take Gallo and Ian Kennedy
Nothing
I’d gladly welcome them on the team. Gallo would be a the big lefty bat they need, and allow them to DFA rowdy. Can put him RF and move one of grichuk or gurriel for some bullpen help. Teo Hernandez can become main DH.
TheTexasBlueJay
Gallo and Kennedy for Orelvis Martinez, Will Robertson, and Joey Murray. Who says no?
KamKid
That simulator has decent surplus values for more established major league players, but I’m skeptical of its valuations of younger talent. Especially right now when prospect values are shifting a lot with little to no scouting and no minor league games last year.
Costanza1321
I think you got something there..
bigdaddyt
the term is option rowdy hes not getting dfad this year
jaysfan1994
Joey Gallo is interesting because he can play 3B, 1B and the outfield. He’s really good in the outfield and good at 1B, below average at 3B but he fills holes in the Jays lineup when Vlad is at DH/1B.
I think a reasonable trade would be to put Grichuk (salary offput, plus decent asset in today’s bad offence) in any Joey Gallo Jays/Rangers trade.
someoldguy
The Twins have a couple of Bullpen Candidates and a multitude of left handed bats … Go Twins sell sell sell..
sisseton
Multitude of LH bat’s? Who on the twins is LH that they would actually trade. Only guy that I could maybe see is Polanco who’s a Switch hitter. Otherwise anyone else whose LH I can’t see them trading. I could see them trade Cruz and Simmons who are both RH. Then for pitching I could see Happ, shoemaker, Robles, theilbar, colome, then rogers and Pineda less so then the others. But yeah curious who you think could be available that’s a left handed batter.
someoldguy
Kepler, Kirilloff or Larnach… any one of them will be available.. most likely Kepler.. but Kirilloff is destined to 1B.. and larnach’s outfield isn’t any better.. and while people may be enamored with their Potential.. chances are either kirilloff or Larnach washes out… Just Like Oswaldo Arcia did.. thats that funny thing.. the numbers say of the top 100 prospects.. about 70-75% of them never become more than parttime players… .. with pitchers the number is worse… prospects best value is always trade value…
sisseton
Multitude of LH bat’s? Who on the twins is LH that they would actually trade. Only guy that I could maybe see is Polanco who’s a Switch hitter. Otherwise anyone else whose LH I can’t see them trading. I could see them trade Cruz and Simmons who are both RH. Then for pitching I could see Happ, shoemaker, Robles, theilbar, colome, then rogers and Pineda less so then the others. But yeah curious who you think could be available that’s a left handed batter
someoldguy
and i forgot to mention: gordon… if the bat plays he is likely headed to the outfield anyways..
mlb1225
If the Pirates end up making a trade with the Blue Jays, I have faith the Bucs will do good in a deal. Cherington was one of their top front office execs from 2016 up until the 2019-2020 off-season, so he has a decent idea of what prospects are currently in the Blue Jays’ farm system and what they can do.
I doubt the Pirates would package them together unless it was for a pretty decent prospect package, but if they were to send Adam Frazier and Richard Rodriguez to the Toronto Blue Jays, wonder what they could fetch? Realistically, they could probably bring back a borderline top 100 prospect as a headliner plus one or two other prospects in the 40-40+ FV range. Another, albiet less likely possibility would be something like just straight up just Rich-Rod and Frazier for like Simeon Woods Richardson. Maybe take on Ross Stripling aswell so the Jays can free up a bit of cash for the future.
mlb1225
When I say borderline top 100, I mean something more in the top 120-110 range and 45-45+ FV.
Rsox
Richard Rodriguez comes with three years of team controll while Frazier comes with a year of controll, trying to get both would cost the Jays far more than Simeon Woods-Richardson. Stripling brings absolutely no value to a Pirates team that will likely trade Tyler Anderson and/or Trevor Cahill
mlb1225
They do have control remaining, but Adam Frazier isn’t going to be all that valauble by himself. Rich-Rod adds most of the value. Sure, Frazier is on a hot streak, but almost everything else suggests he’s much closer to a 100-110 wRC+ batter this year than what he’s currently sitting at. So-so expected stats on Baseball Savant, 111 DRC+. Imo, SWR is a big ask in and of itself and even pushing it a bit.
Combined, they’re probably worth a top 100 prospect, but nothing above the top 80 range at the very most. A team may be willing to go all in, but I doubt any team is going to be willing to part with a top 50 prospect for both. Though I would be more than welcomed for a team to offer that up.
Rsox
Frazier offers more trade value in a separate deal especially if teams like the White Sox or Yankees decide he is better than what they currently have (Garcia/Mendick. Odor). Also Frazier is a bit redundant on the Blue Jays with Cavan Biggio also being a lefty hitter that plays the same positions as Frazier. I don’t know if any teams value Rodriguez as a Closer but certainly as a setup man we’ve seen teams take in decent hauls at the deadline
StudWinfield
Yanks need a CF. Odor won’t play much with Voit back. They’ll sink or swim with Voit
KamKid
I don’t think the Jays would trade that way. Rather than giving up a high end prospect who is close to major league ready like SWR for a reliever and bench bat, I’d think they would make separate trades for Rodriguez and someone else like Eduardo Escobar or Brad Miller. The Jays likely would like to consolidate some of their own talent into one player like Rodriguez. Maybe Miguel Hiraldo or Kevin Smith (big bounce back year) as a headliner and then diversify Pittsburgh’s return with the other pieces.
Toronto has placed an emphasis on player development and they didn’t really trade last offseason which has led to a considerable crunch with the near ready guys who are Rule 5 eligible this year or already on the 40 man. The Matz trade was one where they consolidated a couple of 40 man pieces and a rule 5 eligible player into one piece. I’d do something like that for Stratton if Pittsburgh wanted to try out a few pieces.
Liam D
So there’s absolutely no way no how the Jays would trade their #3 prospect for a couple of below-to-average players that just happen to be overachieving beyond their skills this year.
Le Grande Orangerie
There is absolutely no way the Shamrocks will trade their best pitching prospect in Woods-Richardson for a reliever and a guy who is a free agent after next year, let alone throw in a member of their rotation in Stripling.
bigdaddyt
chicken strips has turned into a key member of the jays rotation hes not going to be a throw in piece on a bad trade. He’s recently changed his mechanics and has turned it around this year pitching very well, him and Manoah have really helped stabilized the rotation allowing the jays to now put their focus on 3rd and relief help
Hudson6
Cue the fans of every non-contending team suggesting trades of every halfway decent reliever on an expiring contract on their roster for Pearson, Martin, Woods Richardson or Manoah.
bigdaddyt
cant help but notice you left out Groshans, ive got half an ian kennedy arm and Joey Gallo’s left shoe is that enough?
Hudson6
The Jays aren’t going to trade any top future prospects for a relief arm. ESPECIALLY not a starting prospect. The Jays aren’t desperate.
bigdaddyt
Um he’s a infielder but agreed regardless
Hudson6
I said the 4 others in the Jays top 5 and left out Groshans because he is the only one I see who has any chance of being traded. It is not likely and it certainly won’t be done for any short term or moderate quality return.
Rsox
The Jays had a chance at both Ford and Jake Bauers before they were dealt elsewhere. A left handed hitting First Basemen may not be easy to come by though Colin Moran immediately comes to mind.
Dexxter
I can’t imagine they would be TOO focused on acquiring a left handed bat. I mean… who do you bench to add them to the lineup?
Grichuk or Gurriel I guess?
I dunno. I mean if you’re getting a real thumper like Nelson Cruz… sure. But I wouldn’t give up much for an OK lefty hitter just to put Grichuk on the bench and option Tellez.
KamKid
I agree, but not forgetting that there are 2 months of baseball after the trade deadline, it’s not the worst idea to have someone who not only gives you late game matchup options off the bench but also gives you someone capable of playing an everyday role if there was an injury.
solaris602
Keep in mind Bauers and Ford were dealt from their respective teams because they weren’t producing at the plate despite being given every opportunity to succeed. Jays should be targeting players who are at least batting .240
explodet
Joey Wendle would be a perfect get for the lineup, but I don’t see the Rays trading him within the division.
mlb1225
I don’t see the Rays trading Wendle to a division rival, or anyone else. He’s top 25 in fWAR, is a potential all-star shortstop, and the Rays are a half game out of the divison. Unless the Jays are offering up like Austin Martin, I doubt the Rays are willing to part with him.
Rsox
Zero chance the Rays part with Wendle, he is one of their most consistent hitters. And definitely not to a division rival.
explodet
I certainly don’t think there’s “zero chance” they trade him. He’s their oldest infielder, the guy most likely to get booted to make room for Wander Franco, and it totally fits the M.O. of the Rays to trade away one of their best players because something something algorithm age curve exit velocity statcast.
I’d be really surprised if he doesn’t get traded before next season. But probably not to a division rival (but it’s the Rays so you never know).
WillDS
Yeah he would be perfect but the Rays aren’t stupid so it would need to be an overpay which doesn’t make sense for the Jays.
86mets
What? Jacob Barnes is not enough relief help? He’s going to be great. As batting practice for the opposition.
ctichota
Blackmon and Bard could be had for next to nothing.
Rsox
Probably true. And its safe to assume the Rockies (or anyone else for that matter) aren’t going to pick up his $21 million dollar option for next season
johns-11
Hopefully its so long Rowdy. He cant hit a beach ball. His d is okay though.
jdgoat
Yep. I think he’s worn out his welcome. The 1b/DH type who can’t hit are just a complete waste of a roster spot.
Rsox
In Milwaukee they are your starting First Baseman…
Dustyslambchops23
rowdy might be the odd man odd when Springer comes back again .
solaris602
Jay’s still have to plan ahead for when Springer hits the IL for the third time this year.
Darthyen
Not only do they need pitching they need a Major League manager and another catcher to work/platoon with McGuire…Jansen should be sent to the minors or DFAed when his DL stint is up.
bryce1344
Carpenter doing better for Cards,They will most likely pay most of his contract to save a few million like they did with Fowler
Oldschoolandthemets1980
They can have nimmo or conforto when they get back, them two and we will throw in one more,well take Lourdes jr lol
Mario93
Jays are having a really nice season offensively, and I’d say overall. There’s been many injuries, but I’ve liked what I’ve seen from this team, the growth is obvious, especially from the hitters side.
As far as relievers, to me when our guys are healthy I feel we do have one of the best bullpens in baseball, or a bullpen at least that’s definitely not a weak point on a team.
To me, even though the Jays are competing this year, it’s not the season to be giving away legit prospects for high end relief arms. If they can give away depth prospects, or lesser guys for some rental upgrades in the pen which I assume they will do, I’m all for that.
WillDS
Except Yates and Phelps aren’t coming back. Merryweather and Borucki should not be counted on to stay healthy since they have never demonstrated they can in the past.
That leaves Romano as the only reliable reliever.
EasternLeagueVeteran
They could add someone like Joakim Soria or Joe Smith who both could use a change of scenery trade and have some experience in tough situations, and get either of then for a low level near- prospect or some salary relief. Not to be “ the closer” but a bridge to the closer.
jimmertee
Whatever comes out of Ross Atkins mouth we cannot believe. His opinion of high prices for trading for relievers is a blatant mistruth. It is his skewed opinion based on a misplaced value on the BlueJays view of their own prospects. Everyone in baseball knows the BlueJays are amongst the worst in all of MLB in professional scouting. Even Shapiro has admitted in an interview for them it is a lottery like playing darts and throwing from a long distance hoping to hit the bullseye.
jimmertee
The BlueJays real question is: Are the BlueJays buyers or sellers?
To win[not just compete] the Jays will need two more starters, one elite[Scherzer type] and one a #3. They will need a shutdown closer[Pearson is the option]. Or the Jays could do like the Rays and trade and established MLB young player {Adames} for a closer type and prospects. Biggio traded for Brad Hand+?
To win the Jays will also need 2 more fill in relievers. Anthony Kay can be a very good 7th inning guy if they limit him to one inning and no starts. He is a terrible starter. That means another trade for a good setup guy. Forget Borucki and Merryweather, they are accidents waiting to happen.
It would be a shame to lose Tellez. Like Vlad before this year Tellez hasn’t learned to be a big leaguer yet. He has no plan when he goes to the plate and he is borderline obese. Call him chipmunk with those chubby cheeks storing nuts for the winter. Tellez needs more development time.
And if they choose to be dumpster divers instead of trading for elite, then they need to be sellers because they are winning nothing with dumpster diving. Then much of the roster is for sale: Semien, Castro, Mayza, Chatwood, Panik, Jansen, Zeuch, Payamps, Ray, Stripling, Grichuk, Cole, Dolis, Edwards, etc etc.
Remember the goal is to win now, this is not a developmental year for the BlueJays. At least that is how HOFer Gms like Cashman, Dombrowski and Gillick would think.
its_happening
Matz, Jansen.
MarkoRock68
Jimmer
You seem to remember Gillick to be a totally different GM then he actually was. He was known as ” Stand Pat” for a reason. He built a sustainable winner that had a 10 yr run of competitiveness 83-93. He was not the All In must win now type that you are endlessly touting on here Ad nauseam . Suggest you bone up on Jays history other then the 92-93 WS years.
jimmertee
Marko, It took a while for Gillick to learn how to win. But he did trade for big pieces using elite prospects or lesser pieces in order to win. It took him many years to learn this. and he repeated this behavior when he built winners with other clubs after the Bluejays. So no, he didn’t stand pat once he learned this. That is why he is in the HOF.
A few examples, he traded
1. McGriff and Fernandez for Carter and Alomar
2. OF Rickey Henderson for elite RHP Steve Karsay and OF Jose Herrera
3. RHP David Cone for elite 2B Jeff Kent and OF Ryan Thompson
4. Acquire Jamie Moyer from Seattle Mariners to the Phillies
So I did categorize him correctly.
MarkoRock68
Calling Steve Karsay elite is a joke his 93 numbers in Knoxville were good but hardly elite. By your definition of elite we should get a king’s ransom for Kevin Smith . ( Sighs why bother. ) Saying it took him ( Gillick ) time to learn how to win is pure arrogance. They were winning from 85 onward .
While we are discussing your GM fan club . How many WS has Cashman won since 2010? With a budget well north of 200m most years.
its_happening
Markkko, Karsay was not elite. But since you like re-writing history, Karsay was ranked 55th overall on Baseball America’s prospect list, a top 4 or 5 ranked prospect in the Jays system. We’re sure you knew he was a top prospect. Maybe.
In today’s world that would be like trading SWR or Manoah for a rental. Hall of Fame, greatest leadoff hitter rental. If the trade happened today many Jays fans would lose their mind over dealing one of them for a player providing 10 weeks of baseball and hopefully playoff games.
Safe to assume you believe Pearson, Manoah and SWR aren’t very good or elite. Thanks for that.
jimmertee
The BlueJays have two problems, both the starters and relievers need addressing and the problems are solvable via trades. I think everyone agrees the relievers started out okay but burned out quickly due to overuse.
The BlueJays starters are currently 26th in MLB in innings per start, 28th in MLB in war, 29th in Hr/9, 23rd in BB/9. Awful. This is why the bullpen is burning out and overused.
Over 162 games, this is a close to last place team.
cyclone24
Nimmo and give us back Kay
cyclone24
That’s ur lefty hitter
jimmertee
Kay is a horrible starter and probably could be a very good 7th inning guy if the Jays would use him correctly and tell him one inning only, max effort and he could do the job.
Great trade by Jays by the way. The Jays get a useless Kay[they thought would be a major piece] and a prospect Simeon Woods Richardson who is a good prospect but might never make the big leagues for Marcus Stroman, who so far this year is, 1.9 War, 2.35 Era, Whip 1,043, 84 innings pitched. And commenters wonder why I criticize Atkins and Shapiro.
jaysfan1978
When every GM in baseball hears that Atkins is on the phone, they get their fishing rods ready to snag a big sucker.
MarkoRock68
The Jays got SWR and Kay for 2 months and a bit of Stroman . He opted out last year , you must have forgotten that lil tidbit. This years results for Stroman have no bearing on the trade value. Nice try though.
jaysfansince1977
Well Marko he also seems to like to omit little things like that prior to opting out on August 10th, 2020 he was on the IL again with a torn calf muscle and missed the 1st 17 games.
its_happening
You knew Stroman was opting out of 2020 in 2019?? Wow. Re-writing more history.
Too soon to call the trade a win or loss.
MarkoRock68
Rewriting history is your catch phrase of the month I see. Reading comprehension has not improved but keep trying grasshopper you will get there someday.