TODAY: Oakland vice-mayor Rebecca Kaplan has requested that the Oakland City Council vote on the Athletics’ ballpark term sheet on July 20, according to Matt Kawahara and Sarah Ravani of The San Francisco Chronicle. The City Council also sent a letter to Major League Baseball on Friday stating that “The Oakland City Council is committed to negotiating in good faith for a strong future for the A’s in Oakland, and we invite the A’s and MLB to do the same by agreeing not to seek relocation while the A’s complete the project process as the Council moves forward.”
The letter also feels there was some “incorrect information” within MLB’s statement, noting that the Council has not been “delaying or refusing to consider the A’s project proposal.” The letter also questioned MLB’s designation of the Coliseum as “not a viable option,” referring to that statement as an “unsupported conclusion.”
“In any case, we hope you will understand that the shifting ‘demands’ on what Oakland must do, combined with your public threat to allow the team to leave, even while the City is undertaking the items that you and the A’s have urged, might leave the impression that there never has been any good faith intent on your part to work on a future ballpark in Oakland. However, we remain open to working together. It is possible that you didn’t intend to threaten relocation from a city, in the absence of that city’s leadership even being given an opportunity to consider a proposal from the team.”
MAY 11: As the Athletics await a decision from the city of Oakland regarding their proposed $12 billion mixed-use development, which includes a new waterfront stadium at Oakland’s Howard Terminal, Major League Baseball has encouraged them to look into the possibility of relocation, ESPN’s Jeff Passan reports. The team’s preference is and has been to remain in Oakland, but Passan’s report suggests that at the behest of the league, they’ll at least look into alternatives, with Las Vegas the “likeliest possibility” if relocation is the ultimate outcome.
It’s hardly the first time that we’ve seen a major sports franchise threaten relocation as a means of ratcheting up pressure on local government to approve a new stadium deal. Major League Baseball’s statement on the matter suggests that the current Oakland Coliseum site “is not a viable option for the future vision of baseball” and suggests that the A’s “need a new ballpark to remain competitive.”
Indeed, recent issues with the lighting, 2016’s sewage fiasco, and myriad other issues with the facility have underscored the park’s dilapidated inadequacies. But the viability of a new park at the current site and the Athletics’ purported “need” for a new park at a new site (and the associated real estate benefits) in order to compete are more debatable. Athletics owner John Fisher echoed the league’s statement, claiming that the “future success of the A’s depends on a new ballpark.” President Dave Kaval made a similar statement.
It’s perhaps not a coincidence that the “likeliest possibility” is said to be Las Vegas — the same city to which Oakland and its fans already lost the NFL’s Raiders and one of commissioner Rob Manfred’s oft-cited locations for potential expansion. It is, in fact, the second time in the past three years that the league has threatened to move the team away from Oakland and into Vegas; Manfred himself directly raised the possibility with the city of Oakland back in October 2019. Whether the threat of a move is actually real remains to be seen. As many have rightly pointed out, relocating a team or creating an expansion club in Vegas (or Charlotte, Nashville, or any other regularly mentioned site) would lessen the leverage for current clubs when haggling over new stadiums.
The Athletics’ lease at their current stadium runs through the 2024 season. They’ve spent several years exploring potential sites in Oakland and around the Bay Area but incurred various roadblocks that have torpedoed those efforts. The current proposal includes $1 billion of private funding for construction of the park itself, but Passan quotes a spokesperson from the Oakland mayor’s office indicating that the team’s request for public funding elsewhere in the proposal is “at the high end of projects of this type nationwide.”
DarkSide830
*groan*
some guy 2
Back to Philly!
SaltLakeBrave
@some guy 2, I think they should move back to Philadelphia as well.
Philly A's
Um. Yes please.
roguesaw
Do they need to make a pitstop in Kansas City first? Maybe this time the one that’s actually in Kansas?
stymeedone
Just a media campaign to put pressure on the politicians. Been done many times by many teams in many sports.
looiebelongsinthehall
Not in this case. The stadium in the early 80s was known for having the best sound system in sports. Outside if that and decent food, it was bad for baseball back then (designed for football, too much foul territory, for many years a shared stadium, etc.). Even classics like Fenway and Wrigley have since been renovated. The A’s truly need a new stadium. That said, if a deal is not fair to taxpayers, let them leave. Bottom line is a municipality’s first priority is to it’s taxbase and the public should vote on any project that would have large financial implications, etc.
SportsFan0000
MLB Commissioner’s Office totally messed up multiple A’s deals to stay in the Bay Area over decades…..
afsooner02
Because 2 other teams already called that bluff and left…..lol
theodore glass
Go to Las Vegas. Jokeland doesn’t deserve anything.
tball
I don’t know if you’re salty because they a’s beat your favorite team or the warriors dominated your favorite team, but keep your little pity opinion to yourself and stay in your little garbage suberb and dont bring that basura to the town. Thanks bud
jessaumodesto
I live in Oakland and am an A’s fan. Anyone who thinks a dump of a place like Oakland is attractive for a team/free agent to go to, is fooling themselves. It’s a dump here.
tball
But you from Modesto? Why you live in Oakland then? Cant be calling Oakland a dump if you from Modesto lol
Mlb1971
That is what I hear everyone say. I have been expecting the A’s to move for like 40 years! I can not believe the owner has kept them there with competition from the Giants.
Gothamcityriddler
After the A’s leave town they need to flush the whole city down the toilet & be done with it.
User 4245925809
California in general. Why a team thinks it can get support for 12b of public grifting for a stadium is just..Wild.. Tho Cali is the logical state to attempt the extortion in.
Unknown69420
It’s just unfortunate the owner r so cheap
jessaumodesto
That’s my last name
jessaumodesto
Have you been to SF lately? I was there yesterday and a homeless man was taking a dump in the middle of the street in the financial district (the nice part of SF) if there is one of course
Bart Harley Jarvis
Hey Fox and Friends, go take a nap.
SportsFan0000
fake news, fake facts from the pants on fire liars right wing state propaganda media. Unfortunately, homeless in every city and town in the country…..Go take your hateful politics to a fake right wing media site. This site is for baseball only
its_happening
Stupidest take this week. Pat yourself on the back.
BaseballGuy1
Been there more than a few times….. enjoyed the day games I saw…. love to watch baseball… but there were definitely things that needed to be improved to make it even acceptable in terms of an MLB stadium.
Bart
Allergic to facts, arent we? The homeless problems in SF are wellknown and glaring. Bleeding heart types have taken one of Americas most beautiful cities and turned it into a crime-riden dirty dystopia.
SportsFan0000
It was a great baseball stadium until the Raiders ruined it by adding too many seats and expanding it into a football stadium.
SportsFan0000
Again, take your far right wing propaganda to fake fox or hate radio or Brietbart media outlets rated as unable to pass independent fact checking over 90% of the time.
ck99
If you believe that, ask the Chargers why they left San Diego and are leasing space from the Rams, who built their own stadium. Or ask the Raiders for that matter.
SportsFan0000
Chargers were in San Diego for over 30 years selling out every game and making boatloads of money. Chargers left San Diego when their smart, well educated voters gave a big “thumbs down” to a free multi billion dollar corporate welfare giveaway to an incompetent billionaire owner who ran the team into the ground. Chargers fans in San Diego were very loyal to team for over 30 years. The former owner, r, Alex Spanos died. His kids and grand kids took over the team. They are certainly known as not having “the midas touch” in business. In spite of the Chargers utter incompetence, their lawyers did know one fact. If they moved 100 miles North to LA, as soon as the team crossed over into LA County its valuation by Forbes went up by 2-2.5X….Why? Because LA is the entertainment Capital of the . World. LA’s TV market rivals New Yorks TV market. No loyalty anymore from team owners to fans. Ask St Louis and LA Rams fans. So things are not always so simple as the talking points on the fake fox empty suits network.,
By the way, last time I checked, Both New York NFL teams
PLAY IN NEW JERSEY NOT IN NEW YORK LMFAO
SportsFan0000
Fake Fox the pants on fire liars network for simpletons
CobiEven
Modesto is the arm pit of California.
vtadave
* Bakersfield
scottn59c
Both of them. Throw Fresno in there, too.
antibelt
You beat me to the punch!
Kckidd96
Modesto, Fresno, Stockton all worse than Bakersfield
PNW-JWS
Mix in Excremento. Not because it’s the Capitol, it’s just gross
64' Yanks
You mean Stockton with LA and SF in a close second. I hope they move to Las Vegas. I left California 40 years ago for Vegas, but I was still able to go to the gamesl However, it is becoming more dangerous to see the games in California.
SportsFan0000
It is more dangerous in Vegas than it is in Califronia.
Vegas is not a family oriented environment..
ck99
Seems like California has a lot of armpits.
SportsFan0000
ck99 Only in your very small mind
Dorothy_Mantooth
The Raiders moved out of Oakland and so did the Warriors (now in SF). If the city couldn’t keep the Raiders or the Warriors there (both teams sold out every game), what makes anyone think they are going to bend over backwards to keep the A’s and their pitiful attendance in Oakland? Sure the stadium is a dump, but the tickets are cheap and they field a great team year in and year out. The fact that they can’t draw fans today makes me wonder even if they had an amazing stadium in a great location if they’d ever be able to sell out (with the exception of playoffs). The owner has to be very concerned about this as well. If I were them, I’d seriously consider moving out of Oakland entirely and look for a new market where they can build a state of the art facility and actually draw fans every night. With the exception of some die hard fans, the team owes the city of Oakland nothing and they should do what is best for the franchise long term.
antibelt
The Raiders couldn’t sell out if their life depended on it. You know how many blackouts they had before that rule was nixed? Lol The stadium cost isn’t the issue. It’s wanting a whole 12 BILLION DOLLAR COMPLEX, but only chipping in 8 percent of the costs.
SportsFan0000
The A’s should relocate to Silicon Valley and/San Jose.
The Giants have been blocking this logical move for decades.
San Jose has more people, more fans, is the Capital of Silicon Valley, has some of the richest tech companies in the World Head quartered there. It is a no brainer.
The Commissioner’s office is completely incompetent
for not facilitating the A’s move to San Jose.
It should have been done 20-25 years ago.
Vizionaire
no lands to build a stadium on unless they do it up on the hills where fault line is.
Cosmo2
I love those colors
jekporkins
Calling out San Jose is pointless because it will never happen. The A’s have tried and tried and MLB won’t budge. This is coming from a San Jose local.
Move on already.
Jean Matrac
SportsFan0000:
Sure SJ would be good for the A’s, but that’s only half of the issue. SJ is a gold mine for the Giants through TV revenue. It’s worth literally 10’s of Millions of dollars every single year. No team in baseball would be willing give that up to another team. Asking the Giants to do that is nowhere near fair.
SportsFan0000
The team colors, name etc are outstanding with a lot of colorful history and Championships….No need to change that
SportsFan0000
It is called a shared territory like the Mets and Yankees in NY,
like the Cubs and White Sox in Chicago, like the Dodgers and Angels in LA. Giants can still pull TV revenues out of the Bay Area even if A’s are located in Santa Clara County.
SportsFan0000
There is land in Santa Clara County for an A’s stadium whether it be in San Jose or one of the other suburban cities closeby.
48-team MLB
Just move them to Honolulu at this point. The franchise should be exiled.
SportsFan0000
The Giants would be the Tampa Bay Giants if not for the A’s ownership helping to save that franchise for the SF Bay Area.
Too bad baseball and ownership has gone all corporate and has zero loyalty to fans or cities anymore.
If Alaska offered them enough cash, then they would move to Anchorage….MLB owners are just a bunch of hired guns with zero loyalty anymore,.
Good Guys
Pretty salty comments there DM. The Angels must be in last place.
ChapmansVacuum
MLB would be insane to leave one of the top 3 media markets in the nation for like the 65th….. They would be far better off telling the Giants to suk it and give back San Jose rights to OAK then move to LV. Besides games there in open air must be at night during the season, and that place is such a joke launching pad. I wont be at all surprised if OAK stops sending top pitching prospects there, and just starts going AA>MLB since its wrong to make actual organizational assets pitch there. Las Vegas would be terrible for Broadcast contracts and that is where the sport is heading revenue wise.
jklemper
Google bought the site in San Jose. That ship has sailed.
SportsFan0000
San Francisco refused to pay for a 49ers stadium and one was built with private money in Santa Clara, CA.
Warriors New Arena was built with private money in San Francisco.
I think the Giants new ballpark was also privately financed.
Californians don’t take well to extortion from billionaires..
SportsFan0000
Another site can be found in Santa Clara County…
A’s should be in Santa Clara County and/or San Jose..
Northeasternskier
The Google A’s, like the KBO team names after corps.
astros_fan_84
Oakland fans can still watch the team even if they’re in Vegas, and Vegas is a great vacation location. I don’t see it as a bad idea. Personally, I think it’s disgusting to expect taxpayers to fund 11 out of 12 billion to keep a team.
That’s extortion. San Diego did the right thing and told the no.
SportsFan0000
San Francisco refused to pay for a 49ers stadium and one was built with private money in Santa Clara, CA.
Warriors New Arena was built with private money in San Francisco.
I think the Giants new ballpark was also privately financed.
Californians don’t take well to extortion from billionaires..
ck99
To be accurate, San Diego told the Chargers, “No”. But they told the Padres yes. Had the Chargers made the request first, things might have been different.
SportsFan0000
ck99 Only in your very small mind
San Diego was a very unique situation.
Chargers should have jumped on the gravy train/business deal when
they were putting together the Petco Park.deal.
They could have had adjoining stadiums downtown for baseball and football. And, they could have sold the Qualcomm land for much more when real estate was peaking to finance their new digs.
NFL even offered to throw in a few hundred million dollars at that time because they loved having Super Bowls and special events in San Diego. Peter Rozelle used to live in the San Diego suburbs. Chargers dropped the ball and threw hundreds of millions into aging Jack Murphy/Qualcomm. Bad business decisions by a gang that mismanaged the Chargers and the market left them behind.
The only way to cover up their incompetence was to make that
100 mile drive north and watch their franchise value miraculously go up 1B or 1B5
Comrade Tipsy McStagger
Why would any person/team/sentient being move to Vegas? I understand if you’re stuck there but that place is about to run out of groundwater. And Lake Mead ain’t doing too hot. What’s next? A federal grab from the Great Lakes? Sorry, Las Vegas is not a sustainable future.
SportsFan0000
Another site can be found in Santa Clara County…
A’s should be in Santa Clara County and/or San Jose..
Salvi
Guess you haven’t heard, California running out of fresh water too.
SportsFan0000
No, I don’t listen to or watch fake news.
Gwynning
There is a very real drought going on here. You claimed to others that this site is for baseball talk but you keep espousing the same left politically charged line.
kevincwilson
They should just move the entire city of oakland to Vegas
kevincwilson
Albuquerque gettin slept on
48-team MLB
I’ve already suggested “Albuquerque Desert Dogs” either here or on Twitter (can’t remember which.)
KENNETH A LICHTIG
Las Vegas A’s San Antonio A’s Portland A(rsonists)
Tatsumaki
Gold!
groundhog5150
Post of the month nominee.
jklemper
How about the “Zoom A’s” to reflect Bay Area culture?
SportsFan0000
No, I don’t listen to or watch fake news.
rondon
Nashville.
notpablo
The 10 athletics fans in attendance send their regards
jdgoat
If Las Vegas doesn’t work, Portland would be a good option. Pretty big market to stay in the west, and a good natural rivalry would the Mariners would likely develop.
FletcherFan66
Much larger risk of the stadium getting firebombed in Portland. I couldn’t imagine having a 3rd Texas team since the Astros and Rangers always complain about the distance from Anaheim and Seattle. How about Salt Lake City or Boise?
kyzr
I like it.
HalosHeavenJJ
SLC is about 4500 feet above sea level. It crushes any chance of development Angels AAA pitchers have.
FletcherFan66
As if it wasn’t already crushed by their coaches
PutPeteinthehall
Right on! Worst coaching in MLB.
HalosHeavenJJ
True
Salvi
Denver is at 5,200 feet. Your point?
Comrade Tipsy McStagger
Why would it get firebombed? You working on a plan we should know about? The far-media doesn’t exactly paint an even-handed picture of what’s going on. Just so you know, Fletch.
Comrade Tipsy McStagger
*far-right media
prov356
Begone – Do you live in Portland or are you just spouting stuff from the far-left media? Portland, like other lib cities, has been taken over by anarchists and the local government has allowed it. I wouldn’t spend a dime on putting my business of any size there.
thegoldencheeja
I do live in Portland. There are problems. They need to be dealt with. They also usually happen within a six block radius, are sporadic and nowhere close to the depiction that it’s a city filled with black clad anarchists destroying everything in there wake.
1984wasntamanual
So they just destroy everything in a 6 block radius and local law enforcement doesn’t stop them? Yup, I’d love to move my team there.
Salvi
Average city block 330ft by 660ft times 6 = 1.3million square feet. That is a area in the heart of ANY city.
mdbaseball05
Yep, also in Oregon and have been to Portland several times during this “supposed takeover of anarchists”. The protests/riots are in one district, and the rest is perfectly fine. I agree, that district is a problem, but it is nowhere near how the right-wing media depicts it. Nothing like seeing protests in one small section of a city and making a generalization that an entire city of 645k is like a warzone all over.. It’s more like a destination… you have to seek out the area if you want to see them. Otherwise, you would likely never know they were going on when visiting the city.
Buzz Saw
Omg, gullible much?
Salvi
Im reading an article from NY Times from April 27th, titled “After Nearly a Year of Unrest, Portland Leaders Pursue a Crackdown”. NY Times is NOT a right-wing media sources, and they discuss the problems Portland is facing currently, they say its less, but still a problem. You can’t just blame right wing for everything, and pretend its not happening.
SportsFan0000
Fake News, Fake Facts from the pants on fire liars right wing state media
Salvi
Now NY Times is Fake News?
kevincwilson
Certified moron right here @prov356
SportsFan0000
Sounds like you have been brainwashed by the far right fake media that does not pass fact checking over 90% of the time…..spreading hate and lies 24/7/365…
SportsFan0000
Fake right wing media covers up the fascist coup attempt on January 6th in DC by white supremacists, and dumb people who believe and listened to the lies by fake right wing media and the failed, fired former President…the biggest liar ever…
Jonny5
Go back to Twitter you emotionally unstable lil troll.
SportsFan0000
ck99 Only in your very small mind
San Diego was a very unique situation.
Chargers should have jumped on the gravy train/business deal when
they were putting together the Petco Park.deal.
They could have had adjoining stadiums downtown for baseball and football. And, they could have sold the Qualcomm land for much more when real estate was peaking to finance their new digs.
NFL even offered to throw in a few hundred million dollars at that time because they loved having Super Bowls and special events in San Diego. Peter Rozelle used to live in the San Diego suburbs. Chargers dropped the ball and threw hundreds of millions into aging Jack Murphy/Qualcomm. Bad business decisions by a gang that mismanaged the Chargers and the market left them behind.
The only way to cover up their incompetence was to make that
100 mile drive north and watch their franchise value miraculously go up 1B or 1B5
Bart Harley Jarvis
Boise White Nationalist Sox? I like it!
Bart
Where bombs are really bombs!!
Ryan ryan
Seattle fan. Don’t want to hear about other cities complaining about flying to seattle. EVERY road trip for Seattle is far. Northwest corner needs more teams!
kyzr
I agree Portland makes sense. I’d like to see a move to Boise.
ChapmansVacuum
Portland, Nashville, Montreal are the big 3 US cities for expansion with groups organized to bring in a team. Cuba if relations with the gov ever permit it is a hot item. Mexico city is also a possibility. Although unless he goes Manfred has been pretty explicit that expansion wont happen until TB/OAK are resolved.
Oak probably stays, Im not sure if the team was even involved with this move, since approval for the new site seems to be nearing the finish line, and the city already cleared the path for them to purchase and develop the current 140 acre colosseum site and develop it for profit once the team moves to the new one.
John Fisher sux so you never know. Dude tried to not pay minor leaguers last year, and cheeped out on keeping Semien and Hendicks so we have to watch a patchwork bullpen, and the worst SS group in MLB when he is literally one of the richest owners. They have an out on the TV deal after the 2023 season, and it would have paid off in future revenue and franchise value to invest in a better on field product when moving into a new stadium in a top media market………….. Cheap billionaires are the worst…..
If Tampa cant get anything resolved MLB could forcibly break the stadium lease on the Trop and allow a relocation, and the situation there seems a lot less developed when it comes to new park proposals and legal wrangling with the local gov.
wayneroo
I believe Montreal is in Canada, not the US.
ChapmansVacuum
Shhh Canada is like the Santa Monica to the US’s Los Angeles. I mean really why do they still have that stuffy Queen on their money? They should cut the cord and become the 51st through like 58th states lol.
Moonlight Grahamcracker
“MLB can forcibly break Ray’s lease…”. That’s interesting , I wasn’t aware that MLB had magical powers to break the terms of a legal document that it is not a party to?!??
Fever Pitch Guy
Montreal is also a city in Iron County, Wisconsin.
Just sayin’ …..
Ducky Buckin Fent
I’ve been there!
With the steel on the bottom courses of all the roofs. Really pretty little town.
& good Grouse shooting too.
Le Grande Orangerie
That would be funny to move them to Canada. People aren’t allowed to go to a baseball game, and the only sport they’re allowed to play there is hockey. In Canada, they’re not even allowed to go outside and play golf! LOL!!
Maybe put a second team in Buffalo. LOL!!
Salvi
Ah Montreal, WI, now it makes sense.
Bart Harley Jarvis
And don’t forget Montreal, France. Just sayin’ sayin’…
SportsFan0000
Nope! Canadians are proudly Canadian. They don’t let propagandists and liars pollute their airwaves and rejected a license for Fake Fox and do not let their radio waves be polluted by Hate Radio.
Why would Canadians want the far right haters in the States to dictate
18 century belief systems to them?! They do not.
CFS77
Can goto New Orleans and call themselves the Tropicals.
Eovaldismemes
and people make memes everytime they lose sayin ” The New Orleans TropicaLs”
48-team MLB
New Orleans Gators
fredziffel78
New Orleans Baby Cakes now available
jekporkins
New Orleans Hurricanes is pretty awesome, but might bring back some bad memories…
thomasg1951
Portland sucks
They’d burn it down within a couple of years.
drstevenhorn
Ignorant
Comrade Tipsy McStagger
At least the fire department might be able to put out the fire. Vegas? The water is literally running out.
Salvi
Again with the water thing? California has no fresh water either.
SportsFan0000
Dumbest comment of the day
pustule bosey
portland needs a major league team, instead of constantly shoehorning teams into places that don’t care about baseball they should put teams in places where people want to go
48-team MLB
I have no problem with Portland but they need to change the name.
Hammerheads
Thunderbirds
Or something mountain-related…
SaltLakeBrave
@48-team, and what’s wrong with the name Athletics?
48-team MLB
Any new city that joins the league needs to have its own identity. The Expos changed their name when they moved to DC. I know the Dodgers, Giants, Athletics and Braves all kept their names when they relocated but all that happened 50-60 years ago.
debubba
Portland Reign is my favorite
SportsFan0000
Nope! Canadians are proudly Canadian. They don’t let propagandists and liars pollute their airwaves and rejected a license for Fake Fox and do not let their radio waves be polluted by Hate Radio.
Why would Canadians want the far right haters in the States to dictate
18 century belief systems to them?! They do not.
DonOsbourne
Man I’m glad you posted this twice. I was starting to forget where you fell on the political spectrum. Now that we have that cleared up we can just go back to talking about baseball!
Mrtwotone
I’m shocked Indianapolis isn’t brought up more. Indianapolis, Charlotte, Raleigh, Nashville (home), Memphis (worst city I’ve ever been to), New Orleans, Portland, or Vancouver would all be viable options. I’d be curious if San Juan Puerto Rico could support a team too.
48-team MLB
I like Indy as a potential MLB city but there are already two Chicago teams as well as two teams in Ohio. I don’t see the league going there.
dcahen
Chicago & Ohio teams have no impact on Indy in the NFL & NBA, maybe the 2 teams in Chicago might be an arguing point; but really, Indianapolis as a city can stand with any other city in fan support, corporate involvement, the downtown atmosphere for sports is great.
joepanikatthedisco
Really? Beale Street in Memphis is one of my favorite places.
Mrtwotone
@joepanikatthedisco
I mean, to be fair I’ve only been to Memphis once and it was only for a day so there is a lot I haven’t seen. I’m sure there is great stuff there so I can’t really give too much of an opinion on it. I probably shouldn’t have said it since there is a lot I haven’t seen. Sorry about that brother.
User 4245925809
Think problem with Memphis is same with Atlanta.. most of the working middle class long ago moved out to the suburbs and left the seedy characters inside the city. crime in general is up.
We used to go to Atlanta about every other year when was a kid for example and I still went some as young adult. it was pretty safe place as big cities go, but stopped going like 20-25y ago. It’s a crime ridden hole now, or was even then and definitely not then as safe as even Tampa is now.
It’s a combo of garbage policies enacted and working class leaving, which happens when too many foolish policies are brought forth, but some just never, ever learn.
mgomrjsurf
Orlando because Tampa Bay got chosen over it.
Hawaii would be fun. Mexico City? Green Bay?
Jean Matrac
mgomrjsurf:
Sorry, but I think those are (mostly) terrible ideas. Florida just doesn’t seem to have that great an interest in baseball. The travel to and from Hawaii to the east coast would be onerous. Mexico City is far higher in elevation than Denver. Baseball doesn’t need a park that’s more of a launching pad than Coors. Green Bay? Please.
48-team MLB
Wisconsin would never have two teams…and even if they did I think Madison would be considered before Green Bay.
Blutarsky
If you put MLB in Indiana, Illinois would want a team, too.
Jean Matrac
I’m pretty sure Illinois already has a couple teams.
Blutarsky
Sorry. Turn on your sarcasm detector, please.
Jean Matrac
Maybe if the joke was a little funnier….
Bart Harley Jarvis
The Indiana Meth Sox? I like it!
SaltLakeBrave
@jdgoat, just move them back to Philly.
John Kappel
Las Vegas is a terrible idea. Portland, Charlotte, Nashville, San Antonio, Montreal, or Austin. Las Vegas is the 43rd largest market in the country.
hiflew
Right now that is true, but it is growing faster than almost all of the 42 markets above it. You are not moving there for today, you would be moving there for the future. In 20 years, Vegas will likely be a much larger market than #43.
ChapmansVacuum
LA/NY/BAY Top 3 media market with more sponsorship dollars then any other part of the country due to all the Mega companies based in Silicon Valley. You dont leave that for LV even if it is growing, partially because the city has limited growth potential, and zero surrounding metro areas within 100 miles of any size at all. It is fine for NFL because 16 games is easier to sell out, and visitors to LV will attend. But also the NFL negotiates all the broadcast rights for the entire league together so the team isnt punished for the local media market since all NFL games are national broadcasts.
Comrade Tipsy McStagger
The future? What future? Where the heck is Las Vegas going to get its water in 20 years? It barely gets its water from the city today. They gonna truck it in from Minnesota and Wisconsin? Desalinization plant piping in water from the Great Salt Lake?
Appalachian_Outlaw
@ begone: You keep pounding that water drum. Let me ask you this: should MLB move the Rays and Marlins because Florida may flood one day? Or maybe all the Cali teams should be moved in the event an earthquake breaks Cali off into the ocean?
Vegas is a beautiful city. It has the market for baseball, which is all baseball need concern itself with.
1984wasntamanual
Whether or not you want to consider the water argument as a valid reason to have a team there or not, there is a difference between moving a team from a location it’s already in due to a possible issue and not moving a team to that location due to a possible issue.
Bart Harley Jarvis
“Vegas is a beautiful city.” This sarcasm is too biting for your average MLBTR’s follower. Please mark accordingly.
rcglanzer
Yes to Austin! I need a team here. If the Spurs, Mavericks and Rockets can make it together, surely the A’s, Rangers and Astros could too.
asuchrisc
Plus with all the people moving here from CA maybe they’d get a fan base much sooner.
rondon
Worst infrastructure ever for a major league sport. The horrendous traffic issue alone, that the inept local government has never effectively addressed, is enough to shoot that down.
pustule bosey
portland and nashville for sure – possibly SLC too
SharksFan91
San Jose, Portland, Albuquerque, or stay in Oakland.
thickiedon
Glad someone else is advocating for baseball in Central Texas. San Antonio and Austin are too large to not have a professional baseball franchise. The corridor between the 2 cities has been one of the fastest growing over the last 10 years. This area is swarming with ex-Californians. Why not the A’s too? The damn Academy in South Austin doesn’t even carry Astros gear.
greyishwhitesox
San Antonio makes the most sense by population density
Patrick Schroeder
SA couldn’t come up with the money for a AAA park, much less a major league one. Austin is richer and growing faster.
phantomofdb
Austin and Virginia Beach/Norfolk are the largest metro areas in the country without a sports team. Always fascinating to me that people jump to Austin (despite it only being about an hour from San Antonio) but no one ever even considers the Norfolk area which is 3.5 hours to DC or Raleigh
48-team MLB
I think the problem with Norfolk/Virginia Beach is that both DC and Baltimore already have a team.
FletcherFan66
I would be more inclined to like the A’s if they moved out to a respectable area. Then again, the A’s create all $50 of Oakland’s GDP
tball
Where you from? What’s a respectable area in your eyes? Stop talking mess about a place you don’t know or never been
FletcherFan66
Somewhere that doesn’t have a municipal poop patrol. That’s the only requirement. lol. And that’s coming from an Angelino. LA’s pretty bad, but the Bay Area is currently living in clownworld.
Sidenote: How do you know if I’ve been to Oakland or not? Are you stalking me?
tball
hahahah yeah man just stay in anaheim or whatever gated LA suburb you live in. Maybe you been to Oakland, I don’t know, but you’re not from Oakland. But why bad mouth a place you don’t know. Just keep that to yourself. It’s easy bud
FletcherFan66
By your logic, I shouldn’t say nice things about areas I don’t live in either. I’m not from Oakland and I’m proud. I’m also proud to talk trash about Oakland, because it’s a crap-infested area that’s only nice for rich people who act low class. There’s a reason tech companies and startups are moving away en masse. California is dying, but not as fast as the Bay Area is. I’m free to criticize poorly run areas with high crime and growing poverty, even if I’ve only visited them, bud.
pustule bosey
wtf are you talking about – you have no idea what Oakland is like, but what do you expect coming from an angelino – lived in LA for 3 years and couldn’t get out fast enough, the place wasn’t bad but the people suck
tball
You’re so ignorant man it’s disappointing. Tech companies coming here has made things worse by far for locals. We’re glad they’re moving out. You can criticize all you want just keep you baseless opinions to yourself or post about it on some angels blog or right wing blog, whatver.. I’m not trashing wherever the hell you’re from boy so sit down, shut your little mouth up about things you literally know nothing about. Trash the politics of Oakland, sure. I don’t agree with how everything is managed and run, but that’s every damn city in the world buddy. But you aint trashing the politics you trashing the people bro. I don’t take kind to that
IronBallsMcGinty
Learn to swim, see you down in Arizona Bay.
scottn59c
The only way to fix it is to flush it all away
SportsFan0000
Go to the far right hyper partisan fake news sites….This is a baseball forum
Bart Harley Jarvis
@FletcherFan69,
Whoa! Pump the hate brakes, Fox and Friends.
hawkny11
Oakland should move north to Vancouver..
DarkSide830
Vancouver should have a team. perhaps more then Nashville.
hiflew
Moving to Canada right now would be silly. Toronto can’t even play in Toronto right now. If Oakland moved to Vancouver, they would probably have to stay in Oakland until the whole border thing gets resolved.
MarkoRock68
Your statement makes it seem the A’s are ready to move next week. There will be no border issues well in advance of any decision to move.
TheRickestRick
The boarder will be open by the end of the year.
The Jays will be playing in TO next season.
But the A’s wouldn’t be out of Oakland for a couple of years anyways
So shouldn’t be a problem
hiflew
It’s fine that appear to be a confident, hopeful person, but no one knows exactly how long this thing is really going to last. The previous President thought it was going to be done last April by spring magic. Anything can happen in the future.
MarkoRock68
You really can’t go on anything the previous guy said. Might as well ask a 10 yr old for a scientific opinion.
jekporkins
Well, they aren’t exactly moving tomorrow.
hiflew
Does that matter? If you are planning a move in the future, are you going to pick the building that is currently indefinitely closed and could be again in the future or the building where you can move in whenever you want with virtually no restrictions? I’ll take the guarantee over the hope that things be okay when I decide to move.
Bart Harley Jarvis
@hawkny11
Move the A’s or the actual city of Oakland?
Bart
Even the Manson Family wouldnt want Oakland moving next door.
hiflew
It should be either Oakland, Vegas, or Portland. Any other relocation like Nashville or Charlotte would require realigning divisions and probably moving Kansas City to the West. Divisional travel has to be a priority. Unless they wanted to do a two-fer and relocate the A’s to Nashville or Charlotte and the Rays to a Western city and then just do a simple division swap.
HalosHeavenJJ
Exactly. If MLB wants to keep the AL West together, that pretty much limits the A’s choices.
48-team MLB
It wouldn’t necessarily have to be Kansas City moving to the AL West. Minnesota could also move to that division…but it’s definitely much simpler to just relocate the A’s (hopefully with a new, better name) to another city out West.
hiflew
Minnesota or KC would both be the same. They are both in the Central time zone and divisional TV games with the Pacific time zone teams would be on two hours later than normal. Ratings would be disastrous for either of those markets. And are people going to follow a team if their games regularly end after midnight local time? And games would be starting two hours earlier in the West. Not quite as bad, but still disruptive to routines.
I say this from experience because I am in the Cincinnati viewing area in the Eastern time zone. It sucks when they play road games against St Louis, Milwaukee, and Chicago in the Central. Games normally start at 7 for the Reds, but they don’t start until 8 for those games. Just an hour seems like no big deal, but people have routine bedtimes that they don’t enjoy changing.
48-team MLB
I’m not suggesting that Minnesota should move to the AL West. I’m just saying that it makes the same amount of sense as Kansas City moving to the AL West because someone said that Kansas City would have to move to that division if the A’s moved East. Minnesota would work just the same…but I agree that it’s easier to just leave the A’s (hopefully with a new, better name) somewhere out West, which would likely be either Portland or Las Vegas if they do leave Oakland.
Bart
Kansas City and Minnesota used to BE in the West when there were only 2 divisions.
rondon
hi flew… You’re underestimating Nashville. It’s a sports crazy boomtown already supporting two pro franchises. The new triple A stadium was built on a site that would accommodate a full sized major league facility, there’s a ton of new hotel rooms, business after business is moving there and it’s still a safe place to raise kids. Because of that there’s a S__t ton of MLB’s favorite thing- money.
ldoggnation
Get out of there A’s!!!! Oakland is broke, no one is moving there, it’s a dirty city that’s badly run and the police have been defunded to bare-bones. Take a lesson from the Raiders.
pustule bosey
well considering the city spends over 50% of city funds on police, I don’t think you know wtf you are talking about and you are very finely walking the line of some racist talk buddy.
WillieMaysHayes24
What did he say that had anything to do with race?
Stop obsessing over race, ignorant racist.
Comrade Tipsy McStagger
Everything.
Mendoza Line 215
Begone-dog said nor seems to imply anything about race.
Whor brought it up.
Willie Mays got 17 upvotes.
Where is the downvote button when you need it?
This kind of spurious bs does nothing to advance race relations.In fact,it absolutely stifles it.I suggest that you concentrate on what is important to change and don’t make phantom judgements.
SportsFan0000
Dumbest comment of the day ding ding ding
Jonny5
Pretty much every comment you make falls under that category.
letimmysmoke55
RIP Oakland sports
zacharydmanprin
2016 sewage fiasco…someone in the visiting clubhouse tried to flush a towel down the toilet. It would have been a sewage fiasco in any stadium buys it was more complex as the Coliseum is at sea level.
BobGibsonFan
The A’s are usually near the bottom in attendance every year even when they make the playoffs. Time to move to a fan base that will appreciate them.
Oh, and change the name of the franchise… us “C” students get triggered.
Oakland C minus’s
jekporkins
I believe everyone wants to go to pass/fail.
Oakland Passes
The Baseball Fan
Bro how come there are absolutely no teams in Nashville, Memphis, Neither Carolina, New Orleans, Kentucky, etc… and then move to Las Vegas???
DarkSide830
just move a team out of LA, New York City, ans Chicago. why does a city deserve two teams?
alanofla
As for “Los Angeles,” the Angels play 30 miles away from the city in Anaheim. The Dodgers (3.9 million in 2019) and Angels (3.2 million in 2019) have no problem drawing over three million each year per year.
ABCD
Oh, maybe because they have been successful draws for 60 years.
ChapmansVacuum
Manfred wont do expansion until OAK/TB resolution, and we have had the longest period ever since an expansion…
Brick House Coffee Tables Inc
I can see Manfred doing 8*4 expansion in conjunction with Oakland and Tampa relocations. That would let them blow up the NL/AL split (which I am against them doing, but it’s inevitable).
SEA, SFG, LAD, LAA, SD, PHX, COL gives them 7 of the 8 western teams. Let Portland, Vancouver, and Las Vegas fight over the best package for the 8th team and move HOU, TEX, and an Austin/San Antonio team into a southern division.
Elvisismyhomeboy
As a Rangers fan, it’s always made absolutely no sense to me why my team is in the same division as California and Washington.
48-team MLB
It makes perfect sense right now. The only other teams that could possibly go in the AL West are Minnesota and Kansas City and that makes no more sense than the current alignment. There’s no way to avoid it with five teams in each division. It will change once they go to 32 teams because there will only be four teams in each division at that point.
Gwynning
@BrickHouse- I think you’re on to something here! Seems inevitable (with expansion to 32)…
pustule bosey
probably because of those new orleans is the only town that owners will see as having enough money to be profitable year round and new orleans isn’t much of a baseball town
thickiedon
But New Orleans doesn’t even have a minor league team now
SharksFan91
The last thing MLB needs is another team from the East or Southeast. There’s enough East coast bias already in this country.
48-team MLB
There’s no Southeast bias whatsoever in MLB. There’s only Northeast bias (New York, Boston, Philadelphia). Putting a team in Charlotte, Nashville or New Orleans would not add to that because they’re nowhere near the Northeast.
Rangers29
If California can even fathom having 5 teams, then Texas at least deserves 3. The Austin metroplex is booming right now, and with San Antonio less than 80 miles away they’ll draw additional fans from there too. Austin just got their first pro franchise in Austin FC, why not two? Austin Athletics!
Monkey’s Uncle
I thought of Austin/San Antonio too. They certainly should be under serious consideration for a major sports franchise soon.
FletcherFan66
You Texans are so lucky to live in a booming state lol
Only problem is that the league wants to keep travel time to a minimum, and it’s considerably longer to go from Anaheim/Seattle to Oakland than it is to go to central Texas
ABStract
“Dying state”?…you mean that state that’s currently sitting on an $80 billion surplus?
Mmk logic master
Go to Texas then already
FletcherFan66
We lost a congressional seat and experienced the first year to year population loss in the history of the state, you moron.
Jonny5
Ohhh really. According to an analysis done by TIA (a Chicago-based nonprofit that reports on fiscal data from state and local governments), California ranks 43rd out of 50 states in terms of fiscal health. They’d need $275 billion to pay off all their debts.
The amount of the state’s shortfall in funding to pay off its bills amounts to $21,100 per taxpayer, the study found.
People are going to Texas, and moving out of California. 20+ years straight they’ve had more people move out of Cali and move to other states versus people moving to Cali from other states. I believe it was a total net decline of 1.2 million people in the 2010’s, if I recall correctly. And Texas has been the #1 state in terms of net growth in that same time period.
Rangers29
@Fletcherfan69 I’m assuming you meant that vice versa, as it is longer to go to central Texas from California, but do tell.
If Austin got a team, then divisions could be split up differently anyways:
Austin, Rangers, Astros, Royals, and Cardinals
Dodgers, Angels, Seattle, Padres, and Giants
D-backs, Rockies, Cubs, Brewers, and Twins
So on and so forth. That would negate the most travel without introducing more teams and making 4 team divisions.
oriole10
In no universe would the Cardinals and Cubs be split into separate divisions.
FletcherFan66
Yes looking back I meant it’s longer to go to Texas lol, my bad. Quick question though, would your proposal only have one West division? You split up all the current West teams into those three divisions, and two of them are a lot more Central than West.
Slothcliff Hokum
Nor should they.
bigguccisosa300
They’re not just gonna say screw the NL and AL to put Oakland in Austin lmao
Comrade Tipsy McStagger
Austin is not getting a team. They will NEVER get a professional sports team (aside from maybe soccer). San Antonio has a much bigger metro area and market and is an hour and a half away. Houston and Dallas are within 4 hours. Austin isn’t getting anything. Besides the town is mostly made up of transplants with no allegiances. Keep the A’s in Oakland. It’s a better city with a much larger market.
Patrick Schroeder
San Antonio is not much bigger:
San Antonio 2,550,960
Austin 2,227,083
Austin is richer and growing faster
thickiedon
Then get Texas and Houston out of the West
Brick House Coffee Tables Inc
FletcherFan, a third Texas team will probably be tied to expansion and eight four team divisions. A division with Houston, Texas, Austin/SA, and a fourth team (Nashville?) would have minimal divisional travel.
DarkSide830
save some teems for the rest of us! As a Pennsylvanian I would love a second MLB team.
desertdan
Aren’t Pittsburgh and Philadelphia both still
In Pennsylvania?
Mendoza Line 215
Dan-Dark Side is just living up to his name!
He couldn’t resist that opening.
The only question is which team does he mean?
pustule bosey
yeah that is why I don’t understand people wanting another texas team too
DonOsbourne
Ouch
chalk73
The Phillies and Pirates?
oriole10
Sarcasm, Sheldon.
Salvi
Well if its sarcasm, then Penn has zero teams, because both are pitiful.
HalosHeavenJJ
Why shouldn’t the team jump on the CA to Texas migration path? Economically this makes a ton of sense (as it does for the tens of thousands of families doing the same thing).
Travel wise and fun wise I’d prefer Vegas, but media market, economic opportunity, etc. says San Antonio.
Monkey’s Uncle
If we’re using the condition and viability of stadiums as the barometer for whether or not to keep a team in their existing market, then we might as well move the Rays while we’re at it. Oakland and Tampa seem to currently be neck and neck for the worst place to see a game.
kylelohse
The Trop gets a lot of hate, mostly from folks that have never been there. It’s not a bad place to see a game at all. It is 72 degrees for every game and there is never a rainout. The food and beer options are decent and pre-Covid they let you bring your own food to the game. Tickets were always affordable for good seats.
Don’t knock it til you try it.
Jean Matrac
kylelohse:
Nobody wants to sit inside a huge dome building when the weather outside is nice. The Trop is hard to get to at that. You may like it, but the way team draws suggests most fans don’t.
kylelohse
That’s the thing. Have you sat outside in Florida in the summertime? It is dreadfully hot, humid, and rainy. No thanks.
Ya'll a bunch of salty crybabies
How about Weed California? I drove through once…..seems nice.
Slothcliff Hokum
The Weed Whackers.
48-team MLB
Here are my proposals…
Portland Hammerheads
Vancouver Thunderbirds
Las Vegas Vipers
San Antonio Scorpions
Oklahoma City Red Wolves
Comrade Tipsy McStagger
All the red wolves around Oklahoma were genocided away 70 years ago or more.
jim stem
I hear there’s a stadium in Toronto all ready to go, just needs a team.
chalk73
Lol
letsgopadres
Nice!
mr. g
Nashville
geoffb1982
Sell the team! The Bay Area has plenty of millionaires and billionaires who can and want to own the A’s, and get them a new stadium in Oakland!
CalcetinesBlancos
How would that be any different from the current situation?
HalosHeavenJJ
Unless they can buy the City council, it won’t matter.
Asfan0780
Warriors owner Joe lacob has shown interest in the past publicly but cheapskate baby gap John fisher isn’t selling
CalcetinesBlancos
What’s to debate? That’s not an actual baseball stadium and it’s got a ton of problems. If Oakland doesn’t want an MLB team that’s totally their right, but they should let me the team know so they can plan accordingly.
Also, why wouldn’t they want a new stadium if it’s at the same site?
hozie007
Las Vegas..? Isn’t it 130 degrees there in July.
I’d take a trip to Nashville to see a baseball game or two….the Nashville Knockers (no reference to Dolly Parton intended)
DarkSide830
because it’s not all that hot in Arizona…
jjd002
Much rather be in that heat than 100 degrees with 90% humidity like Houston has. Build a roof like other hot cities.
Dorothy_Mantooth
Vegas just needs a retractable roof, like the Rangers just built. A comfortable 72 degrees indoors regardless of the outside temps and humidity. They just need to make the exterior of the stadium much nicer than they did with the Rangers. The Rangers stadium is gorgeous indoors but looks like a pre-fab aluminum storage shed from the outside.
Mitchell Page
I’ve been watching my A’s since I was 10 in 1973 . It’s time . I’m sick of the wasted years of getting nothing done . Now I’m hugely sick of the fans in that stadium . Some dope has to whistle on every pitch , and I’m sick of the new people that formed a lame drum circle . All of it . I would like to see Manfred to put a time limit on this so it gets done . Either do it or be contacted , and forced to sell . Waterfront stadium with no where to park . Stop wasting time Fisher .
Comrade Tipsy McStagger
Don’t be mad at the people of Oakland for refusing to bow down to rich billionaire owners who refuse to pay for their own stadium.
Asfan0780
They are privately financing the stadium, the issue is infrastructure costs
1984wasntamanual
Hey now, can’t let facts get in the way of the narrative!
Rabble rabble evil billionaires
vincent k. mcmahon
Considering Las Vegas already has the UFC, the Golden Knights, and the Raiders does it really need another team coming in? Does LV still have a minor league team there?
HalosHeavenJJ
They still have a minor league team.
DarkSide830
this seems like the opposite of an issue.
HalosHeavenJJ
Agreed. If anything it proves Vegas will support pro teams.
I’d love to do a boxing/baseball weekend out in Vegas.
HalosHeavenJJ
It makes the most economic sense to move to a growing, business friendly place like San Antonio. Just make sure to have a roof.
Currently AL West teams typically do what we call the “Texas two step” and hit both clubs on a road trip. Adding a third would definitely complicate things and add more travel.
Vegas would be ideal from a travel standpoint. Hit it on the way out or back on a road trip and all West clubs would have a short commute. Plus how fun would it be to fly out for a few days and catch a game? Again, the roof would be needed.
Portland doesn’t seem like an MLB city. They have soccer and riots and seem happy with those.
Moving to Nashville or Charlotte would require league realignment and any configuration likely creates havoc.
hd-electraglide
A team New Orleans would draw a big crowd from the Bayou country folks. Also. It might precipitate a realignment of the divisions. Not ideal situation for the Rangers and Astros to be in the AL Wrst.
Comrade Tipsy McStagger
Nah. If Oakland is doomed, Mexico City should get a team. Or lift the sanctions on Cuba and give Havana a team (maybe move Tampa Bay to Havana).
Jean Matrac
Begone Spenglerd (parody):
The elevation at Mexico City is 2.100 feet higher than Denver. The last thing MLB needs is a launching Pad worse than Coors Field.
BloodFarts
All the people on here suggesting Portland is a good option clearly isn’t paying attention to what it happening in that city. 30% of downtown is boarded up. People are fleeing in droves. Mass violence and rioting every single night. No business is going to Portland.
letsplay2
NOT TRUE FELLOW FAN
Slothcliff Hokum
Not true. I don’t live in Portland, but I go there often. There have been some problems, but it isn’t as bad as certain “news” outlets want you to believe. Besides, I don’t believe stadium sites are being proposed for downtown or near the federal building.
The Oregonian
Live in the suburbs and can affirm you’re very wrong here. Housing prices are rising because so many people want to move to the area, and there’s definitely not mass violence and rioting like you say, as far as big cities go it’s safer than most.
Salvi
Love the “certain news”. Portland is a pit. So rioters didn’t chant “Burn it down” when lighting a police station on fire with officers inside? What about Trump supporter ambushed and murdered in cold blood. Bet you didn’t hear about that on mainstream news. But, we all heard about the kid running for his life and killing 2 people in Wisconsin. They ran that for WEEKS on all the television stations.
Jean Matrac
dennyd:
Your assumptions are wrong. I watch Fox as well as CNN, PBS, CBS, etc, as I am a news junkie. Those items you assume weren’t reported by the main stream news, in fact, were.
And your depiction of the “…kid running for his life…” exposes your bias. He wasn’t even from the area, He travelled there looking for trouble with a gun in his hand. Had he stayed home 2 people would still be alive.
Your bias is again exposed when you call Portland “..a pit…”. Do you really think it’s okay to spout negative comments about some place you know nothing about?
Salvi
Your bias is obvious. You dont dispute the “kid running or his life” just quickly move past it, Thats call a misdirect. So how is what I say bias, yet yours isn’t. The shooter in Portland who hid in a garage and came out and executed someone wasn’t from Portland either. How cowardly was that act?And it was in downtown Portland, where you expect baseball fans to walk at night.
Also, you are full of it, if you say the video of the burning of Portland police station with the chant “burn it down” was broadcast across all news. I looked at the time and couldn’t find anything. Please give me link. Just as Ive shown Portland still has issues per NY Times recent article.
Salvi
Two bigs stories broke today the arrest in the Time Square shooting and Plea Deal in Ubereats Murder in DC. NOT ONE MENTION of either story at CNN. Don’t talk to me about bias news reporting and use CNN as a reference.
Comrade Tipsy McStagger
FartBlood. Quit watching Fox News.
Paulie Walnuts
Regardless of location:
Fire Manfred
Fire Angel Hernandez
bobtillman
They should move to Tampa Bay.
alanofla
The best and most obvious solution for the A’s is the build a new stadium at the Coliseum site. The A’s should learn from the mistakes of the San Diego Chargers who should still be in San Diego, and would be, if only the team had agreed to build a new stadium in the Qualcomm/Jack Murphy Stadium parking lot. (I believe San Diego State is doing just that at this time.) The Chargers are not only the second team in L.A., but the third after the Rams and Las Vegas Raiders.
The A’s could build whatever stadium they might like in that parking lot, and when completed, the A’s then tear down the present-day stadium for parking. Maybe it’s not as sexy as the waterfront location, but it also is not potentially polluted like that site. Several New York Giants players got cancer by playing regularly at the old Giants Stadium in Secaucus, NJ. How many A’s players might get sick in the coming years by playing at the waterfront location?
This doesn’t have to be this hard. Groundbreaking at the Coliseum site could happen some time soon while the waterfront location is still being argued over and discussed ad nauseum.
letsgopadres
What ever happened to Sacramento being an option?
smuzqwpdmx
It seems like speculation about the A’s going to Sacramento stopped when the River Cats switched affiliation to the Giants. I’d love to see it though — not an A’s fan, but I would be if they were in Sacramento.
Ultimately though, Sacramento doesn’t have a suitable stadium either. You can’t just slap a second deck on Sutter Health Park. Who knows where it’ll be easiest to get something built, but my bet would be on Vegas.
Mitchell Page
I’m highly for the A’s moving to Las Vegas . I would like to see MLB , and Rob Manfred put a strict time limit on relocation , or force Fisher to sell the team . MLB contract the A’s to be sold to Las Vegas group if he doesn’t get this done on his own by 2023 .
48-team MLB
Perfectly fine but they need to change the name
Dorothy_Mantooth
Fisher is not a great owner but this stadium issue is more on the city of Oakland than it is on Fisher at this point. If they are going to find investors to put $12B worth of properties in that location, Oakland will make a fortune in property taxes on all of these new developments outside of the stadium itself, which will probably have tax breaks. They need to be prepared to open their checkbooks (via muni-bonds) and pay their fair share for infrastructure improvements in and around the site. The politicians are too short-sighted and I’m guessing there are a few who are trying to get some extra compensation for themselves along the way. They already lost their flagship team in the Raiders for the second time in 30 years; they either need to poop or get off the pot. They are going to chase their last pro sports team out of the city; what an embarrassment for Oakland! Maybe they can use the empty stadium after the A’s leave to help house the homeless within the city. At least they’d finally get some attendance in that dump!
sdbaseballguy
You’re 100% on point correct.
Gwynning
The Athletics’ name has existed for 3 cities and over 120 years… smart money says it isn’t going to be “ditched”
balloonknots
I’ll trade you my crap Rays owner for the A’s at any time. Stu not only wants a free stadium in Tampa but a 2nd in Montreal too. Pls let’s trade franchises!
greenngold
The A’s current ownership group is a joke. They are keeping payroll down, waiting on a new stadium to then unload the team at a much higher value. As a lifelong A’s fan, the problem here is the city of Oakland. They don’t want to spend a dime on any sports team, not even if it increases the value of the city & yearly taxes. Very shortsighted, they waste money left and right and have had one scandal after another in the city offices. The fans exist, and they would come in droves if they were given a nicer place to watch the games. The younger fans, they don’t want to go do a run down hunk of concrete, with sewage problems, etc. And the older fans are dying off or no longer able to attend games regularly. The ONLY plus for the Coliseum is access, between 880 & BART, even Amtrak if you want..
Give us a new stadium, the fan base and the bandwagon jumpers will fill it. The Giants never drew all that great at Candlestick,. not during the week, but they get a new stadium, and the first decade it was hard to find a ticket. That tends to happen, especially if you then spend that extra revenue on your payroll.
Rsox
If MLB thinks they are bending the city of Oakland over a barrell they better think again. The Chargers did the same thing to San Diego and the city called their bluff. Now the Chargers are a second class team in Los Angeles that couldn’t even sell out a 2000 seat soccer stadium pre-covid
greenngold
I don’t think this is a bluff.. I could be wrong, but I think the A’s approached MLB for permission to start looking, since the city council rejected the recent proposal. I believe the team feels they have wasted enough time on this, Oakland wants to dictate terms AND not contribute a penny. Wny waste energy on this for another few years, just pull the plug and find a city that will support the team.
Jean Matrac
Rsox:
So how’d it work out for SD, calling, what in retrospect was not, a bluff? Maybe the Chargers shot themselves in the foot, but the city of SD lost out as well.
SportsFan0000
Chargers ownership has been completely incompetent for some time.
The value of the team did go up moving to LA.
However the Chargers lost their 30+ year fan base.
San Diego fans do not support Los Angeles sports teams.
San Diego is 100 miles from LA.
San Diego is the 2nd largest City in CA and the 7th largest in the USA
1..4 million in City/3..5M in the County of San Diego
The Chargers had trouble filling a small soccer stadium with fans waiting for their new facility to be built by the Rams Ownership.
Chargers are immediately 2nd class citizens in LA.
Chargers are merely Tenants in a Rams owned stadium in LA.
Rams get the profits from the stadium.
San Diego did not lose,
The Chargers needed San Diego more than San Diego needed the Chargers.
Taxpayers in California, for the most part, are not inclined to support
and subsidize billionaire sports owners…
It will take the Chargers decades to build a fan base in LA.
LA is pretty much owned by the Rams for NFL fans.
It would not surprise me if another NFL team moved to San Diego.
The fans sold out the games and supported the Chargers, then they were stabbed in their backs by Chargers ownership and the NFL.
Dorothy_Mantooth
With Herbert at the helm for the next 12+ years, I don’t think the Chargers will have any problems selling their 8-9 home games out for the foreseeable future. San Diego lost much more than the franchise did. Their value has gone up since the move too!
CNichols
Chargers had a hard enough time selling out a soccer field. If they’re selling anything out now it’s because the stands are 75% full of opposing fans.
Honestly mind boggling how incompetent that organization is that they somehow moved into the second largest media market and then ended up without a fanbase because they went somewhere they weren’t wanted. That ordeal should be a lesson in what not to do for the A’s.
SportsFan0000
San Diego is the 2nd largest city in California and the 7th largest in the United States….San Diego fans voted, repeatedly, not to give billions in corporate welfare subsidies to an NFL team for only 8-10 games per year.
San Diego is expanding San Diego State University on the old stadium site.
It is much smarter, will create hundreds of thousands of jobs, train more people in technology for high tech jobs.
San Diego won this stadium shakedown by the Chargers incompetent ownership.
Chargers lost.
Chargers are a tenant in LA and now ownership interest in the Rams stadium. They pay rent only.. Chargers become 2nd class citizens in LA
when they formerly ruled the roost in San Diego,.
mrflimflam
I have a question about TV markets. Say the A’s decide to relocate to Nashville. The Nashville MLB market is shared by the Reds and Braves. This would remove a sizable portion of both teams TV markets. How would the Reds and Braves be compensated should the A’s relocate to Nashville?
Dorothy_Mantooth
They both get 1/30 of the expansion fees, plus they would continue to air some of those games for as long as the market supports it.
mdbaseball05
Move the Athletics to Portland and the Rays to Charlotte. Problems solved since neither seems to be able to get a new stadium approved. The Athletics really only have Vegas and Portland as options, as anywhere on the East coast would mean division re-alignment, and that isn’t happening until the league goes to 32 teams. And, expansion isn’t happening until the Rays and A’s stadium situations are resolved.
Both of these situations are decades in the making already. MLB needs to step in a finally do something about it if necessary.
48-team MLB
100 percent okay with that as long as both teams change their names
NY_Yankee
Mayor Libby might actually lose three teams on her watch. Talk about incompetence
Monkey’s Uncle
Not exactly a good campaign slogan, is it?
Comrade Tipsy McStagger
You didn’t fact-check your claim, did you Yankee? I assume the 3 teams you are referencing are the A’s, the Raiders, and the Warriors. First off, the Raiders have bounced around for a long time. And the Warriors were originally in San Francisco. But the thing you failed to mention is that Golden State moved back to San Francisco BEFORE she was elected. So, currently, only ONE team has moved while she has been mayor.
its_happening
One team and about to be two while you defend a politician. Weak stuff there.
48-team MLB
Relocate the Rays and A’s and change both of their names. Then add two expansion teams.
Baltimore, Boston, New York (Yankees), Toronto
Chicago (White Sox), Cleveland, Detroit, Minnesota
Colorado, Houston, Kansas City, Texas
Las Vegas, Los Angeles (Angels), Portland, Seattle
New York (Mets), Philadelphia, Pittsburgh, Washington
Chicago (Cubs), Cincinnati, Milwaukee, St. Louis
Atlanta, Charlotte, Miami, New Orleans
Arizona, Los Angeles (Dodgers), San Diego, San Francisco
its_happening
Four divisions of 8 would be better. Nashville should be way ahead of Portland and New Orleans.
Comrade Tipsy McStagger
Why?
mgomrjsurf
White Sox need to be in same division as Cubs same with Yankees and Mets.
48-team MLB
I was trying to keep the AL and NL in tact as much as possible.
Rsox
Unfortunately Charlotte and New Orleans could end up drawing like the Marlins. New Orleans, or Louisiana in general is a great Football area and Basketball does well enough (with half the home games of MLB) but unless an indoor stadium is built can anyone imaging playing or going to watch a day game in july/august?. Charlotte is Braves territory and as someone in this thread said the Panthers draw better for the away team than the home team which could lead to a lot of empty seats depending on the matchup
48-team MLB
They could also try Nashville but I doubt that both Nashville and Charlotte would get a team. New Orleans doesn’t interfere quite as much with Braves territory.
its_happening
Territory matters little. Ask Baltimore. Nashville has the support on all sides. They should be the first option.
Mike Mangan
Charlotte with a New Ballpark and it leads yearly in Triple-A Attendance The 23rd tV Market and growing plus AMERICAN LEAGUE with the BRAVES In Th NATIONAL LEAGUE . HELLO CAROLINA A,s
its_happening
Charlotte absolutely should be considered.
someoldguy
Yes for years the MLB has been extorting money for cities for stadiums.. remember the ” contraction” plan that Got the twins a new stadium?.. They are the ultimate in Hypocrites.. they have a legal monopoly.. and they lie to the people to get their money.. If The MLb thinks a stadium is such a good investment.. they should pay the tab..
mike156
Let’s see how much in taxpayer dollars and other goodies Oakland and MLB can squeeze out of some city.
LordD99
This is a MLB and Manfred issue. The A’s gifted part of their domain rights to the Giants many a year back, which helped the Giants, but when the A’s needed to relocate, the Giants refused in turn to help the A’s. Manfred, and before him Selig, should have given a timeline for the two teams to work out a deal. If not, they should have allowed the A’s to move to San Jose. I’m convinced the Rays have to leave Tampa. The A’s, however, have a fan base. It’s crazy this is still going on.
its_happening
Nashville, Vegas.
Montreal is a no-go. Need a new stadium and nobody is sure when Covid restrictions will be lifted in Canada.
jorge78
Time for some blackmail…..
Cainneach
As much as I would love it, Charlotte couldn’t support an MLB team. It’s a “melting pot” center of banking, with hardly anyone in the greater Charlotte area actually being from here and/or having roots here. I’ve been here 20+ years, & you still see more opposing fans than Panthers fans at home games. I would definitely pull for them, when they were not playing my boys, but I don’t see it being a success.
Comrade Tipsy McStagger
Carl Pohlad tried to move the Twins to Charlotte in the mid/late 90s and found no success. Why? Charlotte didn’t want a baseball team enough to get one.
48-team MLB
They could also try Raleigh. I don’t care so much about which city it is but I do think NC needs a team.
Rsox
Given the current sociopolitical climate i can’t see Portland being a viable option either. The Mayor wouldn’t even allow the Trailblazers to have any fans even in their last few games of the season when all other teams were at least allowed 25% capacity. If the A’s leave Oakland it will likely be to join the Raiders in Vegas. However I’m not sure Vegas could support a team for 81 home games per year. Perhaps the best option could be looking to stay in Northern California and explore the San Jose or Sacramento areas
sdbaseballguy
The Giants won’t sign off on San Jose, so that’s a nonstarter.
SportsFan0000
Giants can be out voted and over ruled by MLB ownership.
Pauly2112
Portland Bolsheviks…
Comrade Tipsy McStagger
Las Vegas Yeggs
66TheNumberOfTheBest
“If socialist California won’t fork over the public money for the A’s, they will just move to capitalist Las Vegas, who will fund whatever they want!!!”
DodgerOK
Who writes the titles to these articles? ‘.Begin exploring relocation’? They’ve been “exploring relocation” for decades! Why would they spend 12 billion on a team that can barely draw a million? Let them leave town. Spend the money on important stuff.
Bluemarlin528
Everyone else is leaving California why not.
Jean Matrac
Bluemarlin528:
Yeah, “everyone” is leaving CA. So why is traffic in LA, and the Bay Area still so bad?
SportsFan0000
40 million happy Californians advise you to stay off fake news and stay away from the fake facts pants on fire liars media with an out of this world alternate universe agenda..
1984wasntamanual
Interesting,.. I wasn’t aware that the US Census was fake news.
FloridaSportsGuy
Yep, the MAGATs are all headed away from California and inward to bastions of regression like Oklahoma and Idaho. I’m sure California is just ever so upset. 5th largest GDP in the world and thriving, but it’s more fun to relocate to own the libs!
antsmith7
Portland!
mgomrjsurf
At least In like Las Vegas,New Orleans,Jacksonville and so on can share with NFL Team.
Cracker Jack Stadium in Orlando.
48-team MLB
The only way Jacksonville or Orlando should ever get a team is if the Rays move there. There’s no reason to put an expansion team there and there’s no reason to relocate a team from outside the state of Florida to the state of Florida.
restingmitchface
All the overt racism in these comments is so depressing. Pathetic.
Jonny5
Pathetic is seeing racism in everything. Stop being a racist and maybe then you’ll stop judging others on the color of their skin.
The Saber-toothed Superfife
Wow. It’s true. People from California really do live in some fantasy land mostly played out inside their own heads…….
SportsFan0000
California is the leader and trendsetter for the entire country and the World.
Try to keep up!
1984wasntamanual
Way to prove his point.
SportsFan0000
RnR Pfeifer2 days ago Don’t let your hatred and jealousy of CA consume you..
SportsFan0000
MLB and the Commissioner’s office must take major blame for what has been happening with the Athletics stadium situation for decades. MLB and the Giants have wrongfully blocked the A’s from moving 50+ miles south
to Santa Clara County and the heart of Silicon Valley for quite some time.
A’s and Giants shared the Bay Area Territory equally for decades like teams in Chicago, New York, Los Angeles etc…
The SF Giants had their moving vans packed and ready to roll to move the Giants to Tampa Bay 20+ years ago.
The former Oakland A’s Ownership stepped up and saved the Giants for San Francisco helping line up new ownership and financial incentives for the Giants to remain in the Bay Area. The deal included the A’s giving their share of Santa Clara County Territory to the Giants so the Giants could move to Santa Clara County or San Jose.
However, the Giants never moved to Santa Clara County or San Jose.
(As the 49ers did).
The Giants built their new Bayfront Stadium in the City of San Francisco
almost 60 miles from San Jose etc.
Therefore, since the reason the A’s allowed the Giants their part of the Santa Clara County territory does not exist anymore since the Giants stayed in San Francisco, then the A’s should reclaim their part of the Santa Clara County and San Jose territory of the Bay Area. and the A’s should build their new stadium in Santa Clara County and/or San Jose.
Former MLB Commissioner Bud Selig really messed this thing up and did not step up to solve this easily resolved situation. Selig let the new Giants ownership “yank his chain” and give him the run around about the shared Bay Area territory including Santa Clara County and San Jose. It works in LA, Chicago, New York etc….
If the A’s leave the Bay Area, then expect a multi billion dollar antitrust lawsuit against MLB…
theodore glass
Who is going to make a lawsuit against the MLB? Oakland? They don’t care. If they did they would have approved this already what a joke.
Pads Fans
Already one lawsuit this week against MLB for not negotiating in good faith. What makes you think that Oakland would not also do so?
SportsFan0000
Fans, Season Ticket holders in Oakland. There are a lot of great Trial Lawyers in the SF Bay Area who would love to take a piece out of MLB lol!
its_happening
Leave Oakland or sell the team. Problem solved.
SportsFan0000
Sell the Team to some like Larry Ellison of Oracle who is worth something like 102 Billion dollars. He can write a check out of his petty cash for a few billion to build a stadium any where he chooses in the SF Bay Area.,
SportsFan0000
Ellison just purchase a Hawaiian Island
its_happening
No. Sell the team to move out of Oakland. No rational human being thinks Oakland is a viable option. Maybe 10-15 years from now with many changes. Not today.
SportsFan0000
Funny how MLB and NFL and other sports leagues have dropped any pretense
of being linked to gambling interests and now say betting on teams and games is OK and say Las Vegas is perfect for pro sports?!
Might as well reinstated Pete Rose and put him in the Hall of Fame
while they are at it…..
bot
The de-evolution of humanity.
San Antonio needs a team
San Antonio is one of the most up and coming city. A major league team there would be a great fit.
48-team MLB
San Antonio Scorpions
jonbluvin
Can you imagine if Walmart wouldn’t let Target open a store in San Jose because Walmart owned that area. This monopoly exemption that MLB has is bs.
SportsFan0000
It should be challenged in Federal Court.
If the A’s move out of the Bay Area, then you will
see some multi billion dollar anti trust lawsuits against MLB.
And, the Speaker of the US House and VP of the United States, two of the most powerful people in the country, might have something big to say and powerful actions against such a move.
Dems could move to repeal the anti trust exemption for sports teams and MLB.
A big, expensive tsunami could be awaiting MLB if the A’s leave the Bay Area,.
theodore glass
Those two could care less about this. Dems only care about getting votes in election years that’s it. They should care about running the country and not what the MLB does with a franchise. And the federal court already has enough to worry about.
AnnaDad
I wish I could say something smart and witty to reply to you. Sadly, you won’t get it.
Biden and Pelosi? ROTFLMFAO.
They don’t care about America, they care about power and money. All democrats do. Power and money.
whyhayzee
Sorry to see the politically naive still living in the past. Registered Republican, voted for Gerald Ford and every other Republican candidate until the GOP became a festering pile of dung. It’s total role reversal from decades ago boys and girls. Now it’s the Democrats who care about America and Americans and the Republicans living the big lie and leveraging mountains of misinformation to cling to power. But you haven’t been paying attention and you’ve missed the obvious. It’s a real shame.
Jonny5
Sorry to see you lack the ability to think for yourself and look at the actual statistics of things. Just another brainwashed sheep who is suffering from cognitive dissonance.
SportsFan0000
Only in your “:alternate universe”. Repubs have not been the Party of the People for a long, long time. Maybe, only a few times in Republican Party history that they were not completely controlled by Wall Street:
:Lincoln and Teddy Roosevelt.
Both would be Dems if they were alive today.
SportsFan0000
Only in your “:alternate universe”. Repubs have not been the Party of the People for a long, long time. Maybe, only a few times in Republican Party history that they were not completely controlled by Wall Street:
:Lincoln and Teddy Roosevelt.
Both would be Dems if they were alive today.
SportsFan0000
Only in your “:alternate universe”. Repubs have not been the Party of the People for a long, long time. Maybe, only a few times in Republican Party history that they were not completely controlled by Wall Street:
:Lincoln and Teddy Roosevelt.
Both would be Dems if they were alive today.
Bart Harley Jarvis
@AnnaDad,
Please MAGA elsewhere (and take a remedial English writing class while you’re at it). FFS
Cosmo2
Jonbluvin: can you imagine that MLB is COMPLETELY different than Walmart in that it needs its “rivals” to succeed in order for things to work? The monopoly exemption works because pro sports is radically different from other businesses in that its separate, competing entities who would each suffer if one or two members folded. You’re comparing apples to bowling balls.
Jean Matrac
jonbluvin:
Terrible analogy; the two situations are in no way comparable.
1984wasntamanual
Are you talking about the A’s relocating? If so, you’re talking about two franchises within MLB, they’re not competitors like Walmart and Target.
Vizionaire
since the angels are not in winning i’m all for irvine a”s!
Mario93
That ball park are the athletics … might as well relocate the Red Sox from Fenway. Exactly, doesn’t make much sense does it. Leave baseballs traditions alone.
jyosuckas
Except the A’s played in Shibe park and have already moved 2x
jyosuckas
Back to Philadelphia! In all seriousness if they go anywhere I just want to see them keep their name because of how important it is historically.
bot
What happened to being able to comment on covid articles once the mute button was in place ? MLBTR on experimental trial vaccine damage control ??
DannyECO
Watch them move to an unexpected place like Sacramento.
Dorothy_Mantooth
The A’s need to find a city that wants them and relocate there. They need to exercise the out clause in their Oakland Colosseum lease and return it back to the city of Oakland. Once the A’s leave, Oakland can use the existing ballpark for a new AAA team and call them the Oakland Slumlords.
Mill City Mavs
Las Vegas Athletics
Nashville Rays
The two moves that make the most sense in MLB if we’re talking relocation in my opinion. Both teams have consistent models that regularly compete with dated stadiums and limited payroll. While living in Washington state makes me lean toward a Portland or Vancouver team out west, Vegas just makes the most sense. Tried and proven, guaranteed market, land etc. As for the Rays, they’ve been under appreciated in the Tampa area forever. Send them up to Nashville or Charlotte and give them the chance they deserve…
48-team MLB
The cities are fine but the names are not. Come up with something new once they’re relocated.
Gwynning
I love it and agree wholeheartedly, MillCity! Why do you hate the existing names so much, 48? Legitimate question… cheers!
Zerbs63
Las Vegas is interesting, it’s currently where the A’s AAA team is located and is a great stadium right next to the Red Rock Casino in the beautiful Summerlin area. I’ve always thought it was funny that a AAA stadium is much nicer than the major league stadium. If the A’s moved here what would happen to the AAA team and their stadium? MLB currently prohibits minor league teams to be in such close proximity to major league teams. If the A’s relocated to Vegas they would definitely need a dome. Summers are way to hot here much like Phoenix.
Not sure how well the A’s would draw here either. There are a lot of Dodger fans here including myself, people who have fled SoCal due to how terrible Cali is being run.
Unclenolanrules
Austin Athletics. Sorry Vegas, your city is a sewer, speaking of sewage.
Build a stadium on the south side, it opens up San Antonio as a tertiary market, in addition to San Marcos which is between Austin and San Antonio. Austin has plenty of money, an ever expanding population, and recently got a pro soccer team. Plus when the Rangers or Astros come to town it will turn into a party.
Forget about Las Vegas.
madmanTX
Montreal. The world needs the Expos back.
NY_Yankee
Does anyone want to know the last time the A’s had a Stadium built for them? 1914 in Philadelphia. It is easy to point fingers at A’s Ownership, MLB, the City of Oakland, California and some combination of all four. The reality is the Coliseum is a dump and the A’s actually are the rare team that deserves a first class facility instead of hand me downs and utter disrespect ( see Mount Davis). If the City insists they play at the Coliseum site and ( or) cannot or will not pay their fair share when it comes to infrastructure, then they should find a place that will. 107 years and counting is far too long.
bot
In a section full of white noise – this makes a lot of sense. I live in the Midwest yet still here we enjoy small luxuries that have evolved over the past several decades- I’m sure they do in California even more….
A’s attendance was up substantially in 18 and 19. I don’t think they are going anywhere. I think their ownership is posturing to get what they want in Oakland
balloonknots
Bay Area tax payers. Hold strong and DO NOT let any sports franchise hold you ransom. These wealthy teams owners and MLB should be ashamed of themselves. Learn from the Marlins and make team owner invest into process. This should always be a 50/50 proposition at most for the tax payer or they will be ran sacked!
hyraxwithaflamethrower
$12 billion? What the heck is included in that, aside from the stadium and maybe some parking facilities? And I love that Fisher wants $11 bn of that to come from the same people who don’t care enough about the team to come support them.
I mean no disrespect to the A’s fans who are in the area, but the city of Oakland doesn’t deserve the team. They should move, whether it’s to Vegas, Nashville, Memphis, Charlotte, or wherever. There are several large cities that are currently a couple hours or more away from major league baseball.
martras
The Coliseum is poorly located for an MLB stadium because the surrounding population density is very low and mass transit options are limited. Like in Tampa Bay (St. Petersburg), a stadium which is hard to reach is also hard to fill. If you look around the stadium, you’ll see new car lots, junkyards and other industrial operations along with low density housing. Pretty much a worst case scenario.
Baseball stadiums must be located in higher population density areas and they benefit greatly from good mass transit and freeway access points in order to allow for good attendance for the 81 home games (plus potential playoffs) per year.
Oakland’s attendance is pretty poor, but they’re not at the very bottom. The Athletics often have several teams below them in attendance. The idea Vegas can actually support an MLB team is dubious in my opinion. The other suggestions you give are all Southeastern US location proposals (guessing you’re a Tennessee resident). Examining Memphis, Nashville and Charlotte, none of them seem particularly well suited to an MLB franchise at a glance. Charlotte and Nashville attendance for their existing pro sports franchises is always in the bottom 1/2 and pretty consistently in the bottom 1/3rd of the league (pretty similar to Oakland).
SportsFan0000
A’s owership and MLB attempt 12B dollar shakedown of California taxpayers?!
That will NEVER HAPPEN!
SportsFan0000
Oakl;and Coliseum is location in right by several major freeways and has its own BART Mass Transit station…That is not the problem.
The problem is that Oakland is 3rd or 4th in population in the Region.
Santa Clara County and/or San Jose would be the most logical
site for a new Oakland A’s stadium.
The 49ers built their stadium with private funding in Santa Clara County.
Santa Clara County is Silicon Valley, rich high tech companies, millions of people, highly educated, motivated work forces with lots of money to spend on games and other things.
Putting a new A’s stadium in Oakland is not the best business move by A’s ownership.
Asking the California and Oakland taxpayers to pony up 12B in taxpayer funds for a private development to create short and long term revenue streams for the A’s ownership IS LUDICROUS!!!
It will never happen.
A’s Ownership is setting this up to blame California taxpayers for rejecting its CORPORATE WELFARE PROPOSAL;….
It is a dishonest proposal to give A’s ownership a “face saving” way to leave town and blame Oakland and CA taxpayers.
Again, California taxpayers rejected numerous ballot initiatives for taxpayer funded stadiums for the 49ers, and Giants.
The Warriors and Rams built privately financed stadiums as did the 49ers and Giants.
California taxpayers are NOT FOOLS.
Jean Matrac
SportsFan0000:
Can you stop with the A’s to SJ bs. That is not going to happen. Any possibility of that happening would involve years, perhaps decades, of lawsuits, counter-lawsuits, and appeals, and the A’s need to start building a new stadium yesterday.
$11B of the proposal involves major development of the area; housing, retail, and infrastructure upgrades to the roads, waterfront, and public transportation.
The proposal for the stadium is $1B and involves private financing. So stop with the corporate welfare bs as well. I do agree that teams should not get taxpayer money to build a stadium, but that is not the case here.
I don’t know, and I doubt you do either, whether the city will benefit in the long run from development of the Howard’s Terminal area. It’s up to the city to decide whether it’s a good deal for them or not. But it’s clearly not the black and white issue you make it out to be.
SportsFan0000
Santa Clara county stadium is still the best option.
There will be lawsuits if the A;s leave the Bay Area of that you can be sure.
martras
If you’ve never been to another baseball stadium, I could understand your position. I’m not an A’s fan, but I have attended games at the Coliseum. I’ve taken B.A.R.T. (which lacks stations on the west side of the bay where I was staying) to the games and driven to the games. There is “a” singular freeway. The 880.
Regardless of how people commute to the game, the biggest issue remains population density around an MLB stadium must be high. It’s not like the NFL with 8 home games a year or even NHL/NBA with 41. To fill a 35,000 seat ballpark, you need a lot of people in the immediate area. That’s an absolute must. The Coliseum location does not have it.
I’m also not saying taxpayers should or should not foot the bill, and either way, it doesn’t impact me. I don’t live there or even visit a whole lot.
SportsFan0000
A’s owership and MLB attempt 12B dollar shakedown of California taxpayers?!
That will NEVER HAPPEN!
Jean Matrac
hyraxwithaflamethrower:
You need to read what the proposal actually is about. The stadium itself is $1B of it, and involves private financing. The overall plan is a very ambition one for major development that includes housing, retail, and the necessary upgrades of the infrastructure. Something the city will probably benefit from.
I don’t agree the city doesn’t deserve them. What most people from other parts of the country don’t understand is that Oakland is experiencing a revival. Young people priced of of SF are moving across the Bay where they can afford to buy. There are still big problem, but the city is moving in the right direction, and there are a lot of great areas in town.
But no team deserves taxpayers building a stadium for them either. And in that respect I do agree. If a deal can’t come together for the A’s to build a privately financed stadium at Howard’s Terminal, then they need to leave.
martras
A $12 billion dollar project for a city with a population of 450,000. Roughly $27,000 per capita. That’s an utterly monumental proposal. You’re talking about the kind of investment an entire metropolitan area of millions of people might make to host the summer Olympics.
I haven’t seen anything other than $12B and the stadium cost of $1B (privately funded). I’m not sure where all the extra and utterly extraordinary expense is coming from and if I was living there, I’d surely want a better breakdown of where public investment was going on this plan. Of course, the reason the owners are proposing the location they are is the potential to make billions and billions on the real estate in the area. It’s the same thing across the country. Owners don’t really care about the stadiums or their teams. After all, owners generally want the public to own the facilities, if possible. The team owners instead look at their worst case scenario profits with the increase in team valuations and TV contracts while utterly salivating at the potential profits from buying and developing land around the proposed stadium. They need the public to foot massive portions of the bill, though. Owners don’t have the kind of cash resources to build the whole thing themselves; it’s so much better if the public builds all the infrastructure and the owner just buys and sells property.
Side note, I’ve attended games at the Colliseum before, and from a fans perspective, it was fun. That’s the reason people actually attend games in person anyway. They attend because the experience is fun. The stadium’s seating capacity issues are like Coors Field was before the Rockies’ owners remodled to remove huge sections of seating. At 47,000 seats, it’s simply way too big for its location and a city with Oakland’s population and it leads to the appearance of being “empty.” The fans were friendly and seemingly knowledgable, there were a lot of food and beverage options, prices weren’t astronomical. Getting to the game via car or via BART wasn’t terribly painful The stadium itself wasn’t well laid out and was obviously old. It had the feeling of a aging minor league ballpark in some ways.
SportsFan0000
Oakl;and Coliseum is location in right by several major freeways and has its own BART Mass Transit station…That is not the problem.
The problem is that Oakland is 3rd or 4th in population in the Region.
Santa Clara County and/or San Jose would be the most logical
site for a new Oakland A’s stadium.
The 49ers built their stadium with private funding in Santa Clara County.
Santa Clara County is Silicon Valley, rich high tech companies, millions of people, highly educated, motivated work forces with lots of money to spend on games and other things.
Putting a new A’s stadium in Oakland is not the best business move by A’s ownership.
Asking the California and Oakland taxpayers to pony up 12B in taxpayer funds for a private development to create short and long term revenue streams for the A’s ownership IS LUDICROUS!!!
It will never happen.
A’s Ownership is setting this up to blame California taxpayers for rejecting its CORPORATE WELFARE PROPOSAL;….
It is a dishonest proposal to give A’s ownership a “face saving” way to leave town and blame Oakland and CA taxpayers.
Again, California taxpayers rejected numerous ballot initiatives for taxpayer funded stadiums for the 49ers, and Giants.
The Warriors and Rams built privately financed stadiums as did the 49ers and Giants.
California taxpayers are NOT FOOLS.
Salvi
Your bias is obvious. You dont dispute the “kid running or his life” just quickly move past it, Thats call a misdirect. So how is what I say bias, yet yours isn’t. The shooter in Portland who hid in a garage and came out and executed someone wasn’t from Portland either. How cowardly was that act?And it was in downtown Portland, where you expect baseball fans to walk at night.
Also, you are full of it, if you say the video of the burning of Portland police station with the chant “burn it down” was broadcast across all news. I looked at the time and couldn’t find anything. Please give me link. Just as Ive shown Portland still has issues per NY Times recent article.
SportsFan0000
Oh STFU… Go Troll a politics site.
We want to talk baseball here.
Jonny5
Half of your comments are politically driven. Lacking self awareness I see….
1984wasntamanual
Half is being generous. Lots of projection from that one.
SportsFan0000
Just Responding to stupid, uneducated, uninformed trolls bashing things they have zero clue about…
They need to stick to baseball…
1984wasntamanual
So people that have different opinions than you are not only wrong (cuz you say so), but they must also be trolls? How very open minded and accepting of you.
its_happening
Breaking: political strategist SportsFanoooo calls for no politics, can’t talk baseball either.
lefty58
Vegas, here we come.
Unless the White Sox get there first.
bradthebluefish
Have the White Sox been looking into this?
angt222
They are the last major sports franchise to play in Oakland. If the city cares at all about that, then they should look to get the A’s a new ballpark. Otherwise, Vegas adds another tourist attraction.
CrikesAlready
With the incredible tax savings over California and the bay area, the players association and the league should be behind a move to Nevada 100%. Oakland not only is a social dump, the area exposes its players to all sorts of undue pressure seen and unseen.
SportsFan0000
Oh, give it up already with the nonsense California bashing.
It makes you look ridiculous.
mrmackey
Can’t speak for the rest of the state, but I lived in Oakland for 9 years and it’s a dump, 100%, and the area around the Coliseum is particularly bad,
SportsFan0000
If you have seen the movie “Money Ball”, you will notice that Oakland is an industrial City with lots of shipping, factories, trucking etc….like some of the cities in the Midwest etc..There is nothing wrong with that. Many cities in America have or had industrial roots and base.
1984wasntamanual
The only one that looks ridiculous here is you.
Pads Fans
There is little tax advantage for players. They pay income taxes on games where they are played.
silentbob2001
Here’s my top 10 cities (in no order) for them to relocate:
Las Vegas
Nashville
Buffalo
Vancouver
Montreal
San Antonio
Portland
Indianapolis
Charlotte
Sacramento
Rangers29
Here’s my top 5 from the list you mentioned:
San Antonio/Austin
Nashville
Charlotte
Las Vegas
Montreal
All are great choices, and so are the others you listed.
silentbob2001
Thanks!
I prefer San Antonio to Austin because of San Antonio’s larger population, its presence of another major sports team, & Austin’s status as more of a college sports town (a la Columbus) than a pro-sports town).
Nashville & Charlotte are cities in the southeast with popular AAA teams that could carve out a good chunk of open territory, & Las Vegas is an inevitable.
Montreal would be a great spot if they find a new stadium & a possible Canadian rival, & that also applies for Vancouver.
A team in Buffalo would mark that as the last city from the planned Continental League to get an MLB team.
The return of baseball in Portland would be welcome & it would give a good regional rival for the Mariners.
Indianapolis is lower on my list. However, the Indianapolis Arrows plan in the 1980s shows that it could work.
Sacramento is lowest on my list, as they have trouble housing one major sports team. But if they do relocate anywhere in California, it would most likely be there.
SportsFan0000
Santa Clara County is where the A’s should relocate.
Pads Fans
Las Vegas is out. MLB teams get the largest portion of their revenue from local TV revenue and Vegas’ TV market is ranked 40th in the nation.
The NFL and NHL share 100% of their revenue equally among the teams (other than things like local sponsorships, luxury boxes, and renting out their facility for other events) and all of their TV revenue is from national contracts.
The following cities have both a formal group of investors in place looking to secure a team and a ballpark designed and a site secured.
Nashville has the 29th ranked TV market and some big name people involved in their investor group.
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Montreal could never support a team in terms of butts in the seats. They do have a top 10 TV market in US/Canada and a ballpark site secured.
Portland is the 21st largest TV market, just in front of Charlotte and they have investor backing, a ballpark site and architectural plans secured, and 5k seat licenses sold already for a team that doesn’t exist.
The following cities have no formal groups in place to invest in or attract a MLB team, nor do they have a facility in the planning stages. All are definite possibilities.
San Antonio is a small of a TV market. It ranks 31st just below Salt Lake City. Its a possibility.
Indianapolis is the 25th largest TV market.
Charlotte is the 22nd largest TV market.
The following cities have no shot.
Buffalo is a TINY TV market. Roughly the same number of TV households as Fresno California.
Vancouver is likewise a very small TV market with no group in place trying to bring a team there.
Sacramento is owned by the Bay Area teams. Oakland might be able to get the Giants to waive their right to that TV market IF the A’s are the team that is moving there. That is doubtful.
mgomrjsurf
Orlando has Pat Williams that is retired and 2 Stadiums UCF former home and Cracker Jack Stadium.
NFL city but no MLB Team.
martras
The “local” TV market for MLB teams is pretty much whatever the MLB says is local.
i.e. Iowa is considered “local” in MLB’s blackout policy for the St. Louis Cardinals, Chicago Cubs, Chicago White Sox, Milwaukee Brewers, Kansas City Royals and Minnesota Twins.
I can’t remember the last time a MLB team got a new stadium and didn’t get a cable TV contract along with it. Watching games over the air doesn’t happen anymore and it’s a huge negative for younger fans who can’t access the content for cheap/free without illegally bypassing the blackouts.
its_happening
Charlotte should be top 3. I would add Louisville and Omaha to the short list and remove Portland. Montreal at the bottom. They are a courtesy add.
DonOsbourne
I have done no research on the subject, but is Louisville anywhere close to large enough? Also I believe Cincinnati is currently the smallest MLB city. Putting another team 100 or so miles away would probably be a big problem for them. I won’t go into all the other problems the Reds have….
SportsFan0000
MLB has talked for decades of putting an MLB in Mexico maybe Monterrey?!
Carlos Slim Helú is one of the richest businessmen in the World and is big in Mexico
If he likes baseball, then the A’s should consider bringing him into ownership or selling.
SportsFan0000
RnR Pfeifer2 days ago Don’t let your hatred and jealousy of CA consume you..
bahahahaha
Anybody got the number for Nashville?
Bart Harley Jarvis
Zero
passed_balls
Becky Kaplan sucks.
DonOsbourne
So does Skyler White
urnuts
As a Bay Area resident and seeing how dysfunctional Oakland leaders are it is time to move.
Start learning French A’s fans.
bradthebluefish
If the A’s have at this for this long, then it is time to move along.
brandons-3
On one hand, I don’t want them to move because the Athletics logo and yellow and gold is truly iconic to baseball. On the other hand, they absolutely need a new stadium and a move may be the only way to obtain it.
Just feel for Oakland, who are definitely an intense, passionate, and loyal sports fanbase. Stinks that three major league teams could leave in such a short time (even though, theoretically, they could and likely do still support the Warriors).
JoshHolt32
I predict Nashville and the existing owner will sell to a new ownership group based in Nashville
bradthebluefish
So many great cities to move to. Las Vegas, Montreal, Portland, Raleigh, Nashville, Austin, San Antonio, Salt Lake City… the list goes on and on.
brandons-3
A move to the south would be the most interesting considering the Braves have been unchallenged in an entire region of the country for decades. (No, the Florida teams don’t count as the South.)
Being from NC, the overwhelming majority of fans here are Braves fans and I’d imagine that’s the case in states like SC, Mississippi, Alabama, Tennessee, etc. A second team would make for an interesting rivalry.
NY_Yankee
If Kaplan speaks for the City of Oakland, and it is the Coliseum of nothing for the A’s in Oakland, the A’s new theme song will be “Viva Las Vegas.”
BaseballGuy1
Simply… politics…. and it will end up… you will miss me when I am gone….. as the A’s will be somewhere else and Oakland will never have another MLB team…… everyone wants a piece, what is in it for themselves, yet they miss the point that they have had a fantastic opportunity in front of them for years and have not done enough to keep the team there, keep them happy, help make them competitive… simply politics… CA style…. sorry… past time to move on.
jmw1975
If the city doesn’t make some kind of commitment fast then start looking to relocate. The city has been kicking the can down the road on the stadium issue for 20 years. The Colosseum wasn’t a bad ball park before Al Davis moved the Raiders back and destroyed it for baseball but it’s well past it’s prime.
Greg M
Yeah MLB, give the Oakland City Council a little time to work on this deal in good faith. I’m sure something will come together in the next 3-4 decades…minimum. Let’s exercise a little patience please.
SportsFan0000
Again, take your far right wing propaganda to fake fox or hate radio or Brietbart media outlets rated as unable to pass independent fact checking over 90% of the time. MLB Wants Oakland to be “on the hook for 12 Billion with a B dollars?!
They must have had a sale on crack cocaine in NYC when they put this proposal together..
1984wasntamanual
If you’re trying to use “independent” fact checking websites as some form of authoritative source you’ve either never read a decent sampling of their analysis, or you’re being disingenuous. I don’t think the city should undertake this project either, but you sound like a caricature of a leftist.
SportsFan0000
Nope….Just someone who has little use for fools and far right propagandists….manytimes the same people.
KCJ
Oakland has had at least 20 years to get this done. 20 freakin years! Now they’re crying because MLB has FINALLY said enough is enough. You had your chance. Way too many chances. Quit crying about what MLB is doing and look yourselves in the damn mirror. You’ve watched the Raiders leave. You’ve watched the Warriors leave. Now it’s the A’s turn. The Oakland government should just quit acting like they care and accept that this is 100% their own fault.
SportsFan0000
No! It is MLB’s fault for not solving the territory issues in the SF Bay Area that would have allowed the A’s to move to San Jose and/or Santa Clara County.
The Former Commissioner messed this thing up badly and did nothing to resolve it through multiple A’s and Giants Ownership Groups/.
jorge78
Time for the blackmail…..
jorge78
Don’t let the door hit you on the way out Athletics! Economists all over da woild have proven over and over that ballparks are not worth the costs to the community. I notice the Athletics lease is up after 2024.
Oakland should pull a Manfred and tell them to “Get Out!” after that season. A tepid punishment for their bad faith
Ha Ha!
Pads Fans
I sense a pattern of MLB not negotiating in good faith here. Second time in 2 days that there has been mention of that fact in different situations.
SportsFan0000
MLB totally messed up this situation multiple times over decades.
jorge78
Don’t let the door hit you on the way out Athletics! Economists the world over have proven that
ballparks are a losing investment for communities.
I notice the Athletics lease ends after 2024.
Oakland should pull a Manfred
and make them leave after 2024. A fitting punishment for their bad faith…..
GreenWood Porter
They can still drive across the bay to see the Warriors. Although they won’t be good for much longer, so what’s the point in that?
Rsox
Before the Raiders turned the stadium into the “Al Davis Memorial Dump” it wasn’t a bad ballpark but the A’s have spent the better part of 20+ years trying to get out of the concrete prison. The city council must realize that its a bad look to lose three major sports teams in such a short time that a vote date is now being given. Enough is enough, either agree to some sort of deal to help keep the team or let them go somewhere else.
SportsFan0000
If you have seen the movie “Money Ball”, you will notice that Oakland is an industrial City with lots of shipping, factories, trucking etc….like some of the cities in the Midwest etc..There is nothing wrong with that. Many cities in America have or had industrial roots and base.
SportsFan0000
If you have seen the movie “Money Ball”, you will notice that Oakland is an industrial City with lots of shipping, factories, trucking etc….like some of the cities in the Midwest etc..There is nothing wrong with that. Many cities in America have or had industrial roots and base.
GreenWood Porter
In other words it’s a dump, just like Baltimore or Detroit.
Bart Harley Jarvis
And in other words you’re a numbskull. Baltimore and Detroit are cities where people live and work, but probably not the kind of people you prefer. I’m guessing you’re a uneducated redneck living in the middle of nowhere, and you couldn’t afford to live in a city if you chose to.
yanks_aaronx3
Austin A’s.
Austin TX is a prime area for a MLB team. Population and thriving economy. MLB would do well here
Bart Harley Jarvis
Yeah, but Austin is in Texas.
GreenWood Porter
They don’t need another MLB team in Austin, everyone there is already an Astros fan or a Rangers fan. What’s the point of having 3 division rivals that close together? It’s already hard enough for the A’s to win a home game in Oakland when the Astros go there (like it will be this week), it would be even harder if they move to Austin.
Bob Melvin
We will be leaving. Las Vegas is the likely destination. Sacramento and Portland are other possibilities!
SportsFan0000
Bob M. obviously has nothing to say about it either way .
Bart Harley Jarvis
I believe a comment from Mel Bobvin would have just as much credibility.
random person
The A’s should definitely get out of Oakland. That city and stadium are a huge cesspool. It’s obvious Oakland (the city) doesn’t want to do anything for them. As for Howard Terminal in Jack London Square… What a completely stupid location. I would love to see the A’s go to Vegas, Portland, or San Antonio / Austin.
Giantshavetherings 2
If the new development relies upon public financing Oakland should just let the A’s leave. The last thing that town needs is more debt. And if it is going to take on debt there are about 10000 other things to spend money on first.
MLB wanting a Vegas franchise but not wanting Shoeless Joe Jackson or Pete Rose is just about as Bush League as it gets.