Major League Baseball announced that it has suspended Reds left-handed reliever Amir Garrett for seven games and fined him an undisclosed amount for “inciting a benches-clearing incident” in the eighth inning of last Saturday’s game against the Cubs. Garrett is appealing the suspension.
As video shows (via MLB.com), Garrett was quite animated after striking out Chicago first baseman Anthony Rizzo. The Cubs took offense to Garrett’s action, leading the two dugouts to clear. There were no punches thrown or ejections handed out, but there was plenty of jawing – especially between Garrett and Cubs shortstop Javier Baez (whom the league fined).
After the game, Baez said he wasn’t going to allow anyone to “disrespect my teammates or my team.” And Cubs manager David Ross took a shot at Garrett’s early season performance, saying, “I think that’s just him trying to fire himself up because he’s not throwing well now.”
It has indeed been a tough start to 2021 for Garrett, who entered the season off three straight effective years and proceeded to dominate during the spring. That excellence hasn’t carried over, though, as Garrett has yielded 10 earned runs on 10 hits (including four runs) in just 8 2/3 innings. Garrett has issued more walks (eight) than strikeouts (seven) along the way.
tonyinsingapore
I’m a life-long, fourth generation Reds fan and all I can say is – good….
anthonyd4412
Cub fan here and I think 2-3 would suffice
reflect
Eagles fan here and where is the nearest bar
Tatsumaki
There’s one in Ohio doing really well since it banned lebron you should check it out!
Dumpster Divin Theo
Ok if you can fly there
Overrated
Where should you go if athletes having opinions doesn’t scare you?
Dumpster Divin Theo
Astro fan here huge fan since 2017 and why does everyone hate us.
bucketbrew35
Targeting a man for death goes beyond opinion. He has more influence than any athlete in the world and certainly was looking for payback. You cannot even fathom the influence someone like LeBron James has. What he did was both dangerous and reckless and goes far beyond any ‘opinion.’
Overrated
Come on…If he had said what he said the day after there were a bunch targeted attacks on cops that would be one thing. He said it after a cop was convicted for killing a man on the street. If you seriously think he was “targeting a man for death” maybe you’re just a snowflake.
Overrated
Targeting a man for death? Lol, y’all are too much! I mean if that is how interpret a call for accountability….
vinnie
Money + days
algionfriddo
bucketbrew35 – BS!
reflect
Canada with the rest of the commies! (Kidding)
jjd002
Accountability for saving a girl’s life? Should be thanking the cop saved a life, not calling to ruin his life.
WiffleBall
Wow looks like all the racists and blue lives matter bootlickers are out in force! Never thought I’d ever be a fan of a basketball player (don’t follow the sport) but this LeBron fella whoever he is, just earned my respect.
And good for that bar owner. Having a place for violent white nationalist extremists to all gather makes it very easy for the rest of us. If you guys wanna go there, great, less interaction I have to have with you.
Of course, this LeBron guy, he meant the cop should be held ACCOUNTABLE for murder if a child btw, not a death threat. If you thought that well, you’re either stupid or looking to hate people because they don’t lick boots like you do. Maybe you need to learn that even someone with a knife shouldn’t deserve a death sentence, and if a cop is too soft and cowardly, too afraid of a child with a sharp object, he should not be a cop. And should be in jail.
letmeclearmythroat74
Wiffleball , if that was you’re daughter that was being attacked with a knife you’d be licking the boots of the cop that saved you’re daughter.
He did his job! I’m talking about this instance … every race has bad characters. Not just white on black. Again, as I mentioned in another post … why is it that one race can kill their own all day and night long and it never makes any press but the obituary section … but if one race in particular does something to the other it’s global news and suddenly the spark for nonsense violet protests. It’s ok if the one race kills their own all day long? ( and a lot more than the other race does ) LaBron is a joke and thank God thy officer did his job and saved the life of the other girl. I will support any officer that is out of line if it’s justified… most of this stuff that is in the media is complete and utter nonsense. Start looking at the real problems. This is so hypocritical to condemn an officer that acted correctly in this moment , especially given the total nonsense going on in society right now.
You are clueless to what is really going on.
fox471 Dave
Oh is that what he meant? I guess all of us racists and blue bootlickers misunderstood. Thanks for straightening us out.
southsidebatman
It’s threads with little offshoot “discussions” like this one that really make me glad we have the mute button now.
Overrated
Holding people accountable for their actions and ruining their life are two different things. If the cop didn’t do anything wrong he doesn’t need to worry. Anytime a cop shoots someone it should be investigated. If was justified great, good job. If not send them prison where they belong.
Overrated
Bring it boy
jjd002
Wiffleball – I despise political comments, but what child was murdered?
Overrated
Anytime
EndinStealth
Since he is a reliever this boils down to 2-3 game suspension anyway.
wrigleyhawkeye
He’s a relief pitcher so they always get longer since they only play two or three innings every five games.
Robertowannabe
MLB suspends 7 games for this………in the NHL, you can take one opposing player face first onto the ice, proceed to pound him on the back of the head….then…a couple of seconds later, knock another opposing player’s helmet off and body slam him onto the ice, pick him back up and then slam his face into the ice……and no suspension………..only some pocket change for the fine……..
all in the suit that you wear
Tom Wilson should have been suspended I think. That was arguably worse than his hit on Brandon Carlo that got him a 7 game suspension. The NHL blew it.
HalosHeavenJJ
Sucker punching a guy who is on the ground should be immediate suspension in every sport. I’m not going to pretend to by a hockey guy but Tom Wilson went full on Gary Sanchez on that first guy. Both are a holes who deserved suspensions for the remainder of the year.
Alan Horn
I agree. Been a Reds fan since 1955 and what Garrett did was embarrassing. and bush league.
FredMcGriff for the HOF
This isn’t Amir Garrett’s first rodeo with bad behavior. Probably why he got 7 games.
joblo
Just ask the Pirates.
thekid9
ERA 10+ ….shut up and learn to pitch.
letmeclearmythroat74
Accountability for what ? Just speaking truth here , the officer acted exactly how he should have. Why is it that a race can raise all kinds of “ commotion “ when one race shoots the opposite race but that race can kill off each other all day long and no big deal? So hypocritical and complete nonsense. I don’t condone anyone causing harm to anyone regardless of race .. but this “movement “ is like using a nuclear rocket to kill a bug with zero focus on the real problem.
Overrated
I never said the officer did anything wrong. Anytime the police kill someone it should be investigated. If they are justified great, good job. Not seeing much truth in your comment for someone claiming to speak it.
bigredsfan41017
Good? WTH, there was no fight or punches thrown, why didn’t they giver St Louis pitcher Woodford that kind of punishment when he intentionally threw at Castllanos head but did they? Hell no, not even a fine! Someone in the MLB office got some loose screws in their head. Everyone in baseball is saying it was way took. What the heck wrong with MLB? Keep on MLB you won’t have fan support. THIS IS RIDICULOUS!
ashlandateam
If Garrett had literally thrown at Rizzo’s head, he wouldn’t have gotten seven games. He yells and gets seven games? Between this and the Castellanos thing, we’ve learned that baseball really hates yelling way more than just about anything else. Except maybe the Reds.
sean-11
Maybe if they would’ve put their emotion into celebrating with teammates rather than inciting and showing up the opposition (you know, like adults) they wouldn’t have such a reputation
ashlandateam
That isn’t the point at all. Maybe they’re terrible people. Maybe they build orphanages. I dunno.
My point is baseball’s crazy scale of punishment. You can’t just suspend every jerk. Or, I guess you can. But it’s a bad look. Especially when there are much more egregious things they don’t punish at all.
sean-11
Lol that’s exactly the point though. We’re still talking about the guy that literally charged an entire dugout on his own. I agree that seven games is excessive but it’s not like this is a first offense for him and it’s bad for the game to have reckless violence on multiple occasions. Being a jerk and trying to fight people for no real reason are two entirely different things
Dumpster Divin Theo
Didn’t Rizzo charge an entire dugout on his own once? Roid rage.
avschamps1
Roid rage? OMG dude, I really hope that was a poor attempt at a joke that failed.
TJECK109
You see the same garbage from hitters who bat flip. It’s garbage as well
kingken67
So I guess the next time a batter has an exaggerated bat flip after hitting a big HR the other team should take issue and hope the batter says something so they can get the batter suspended for 7 games?
stan lee the manly
But it’s not about the yelling. It’s about causing a benches-clearing incident. Whether you agree with the measures or not, MLB has been very consistent with going after players and staff that they identify as causes of incidents that result in a breach of social distancing outside of the normal game, which is these bench clearings. This year and the last year they have spelled out in words and in actions that they will not tolerate their covid protocol breaches on the field.
ashlandateam
It’s a very, VERY strange definition of ‘causing’ when the guy who yelled gets 7 games and the guy who jumped the rail and led a dugout to empty got none. Yelling is literally deemed exponentially more of a ‘cause’ than the guy who left the dugout first. That’s, interestingly enough, the precise opposite of how other professional sports have defined these things.
You’re correct. It has been consistent. Consistently, baseball says yelling is worse than going onto the field or actually making contact or anything else. It’s also very, very dumb in my opinion.
stan lee the manly
Like I said, you can disagree with the actual dividing of the blame and how the punishment was handed out, but I don’t get why so many people are acting like it’s some big mystery why players are getting suspended. If a bench clearing happens, punishment is getting handed out. It’s been that way since the first game of the 2020 season and will continue until Covid is no longer viewed as a serious threat. They are covering themselves and cracking down on covid breaches.
Sliderdownandin
Good point. Shouldn’t the first one out of the dugout get just as much?
Theoretically, the Cubs could have just sat there and laughed at the guy making an ass of himself, and then the league could have just suspended the pitcher a few games for acting like an idiot. There should be a leaving the bench rule like in other sports.
Cam
If the benches clearing really was the problem, then the people who jumped the rails from the bench would have been punished, right? But no, that would take common sense and consistency.
The point made is a good one – MLB has a huge issue regarding scale of punishment. It shouldn’t be hard to get this stuff in order.
all in the suit that you wear
You are right, but we have losers running MLB. We deserve better. Baseball deserves better.
stan lee the manly
They did get punished, there were fines handed out as well. MLB clearly placed the vast majority of the blame on Amir and he was suspended, the fines were for what they deemed lesser causes of the “brawl”. Same thing happened with Castellanos. Same thing happened with the coach and Laureano last year. Same thing happened with Joe Kelly last year. And on and on. Their messaging hasn’t changed, causing covid protocol breaches is a serious offense for them currently. You can like it or hate it, but it’s pretty obvious why Garrett was suspended at this point.
kingken67
Causing a benches clearing incident?!! Did he call the Cubs players out of the dugout? Did he walk toward their dugout and challenge them to come out and confront him? Or did the Cubs players decide to do that on their own? Cuz if it’s the latter it was the Cubs reaction to his histrionics in the mound that caused the benches clearing incident, not the pitcher himself.
drasco036
“Did he walk toward their dugout and challenge them to come out and confront him?”
Yes. Garrett absolutely walked towards the Cubs dugout, yelling at them and challenging them.
I don’t know exactly what Garrett said but it got Heyward to be one of the first people out of the dugout and Heyward NEVER is one of the first people out of the dugout.
Garrett didn’t just yell and celebrate, he yelled AT Rizzo and then he walked toward Rizzo challenging him. When he didn’t get a response from Rizzo he yelled AT the Cubs dugout and challenged them.
Garrett and Baez also have history…. a history of Baez beating him like a redheaded step child: 3 home runs, 6 RBI’s .429/.500/1.714/2.214….
Dumpster Divin Theo
Let him yell point and gesticulate. Let hitters bat flip. Fun fun on both sides
californiaangels
seems rather light, but at least something
pinstripes17
Huh? He shouldn’t have been suspended at all, Manfred is incredibly out of touch.
tribepride17
I don’t know how anyone can think that he shouldn’t be suspended. He acted like a complete fool and started a brawl. You can’t do that.
1984wasntamanual
Brawl? What? – “There were no punches thrown or ejections handed out, but there was plenty of jawing”
thughand
Brawl? I don’t think there was a single punch thrown. He didn’t plunk anyone. He just used his words. I understand he should be an “adult” but a suspension for basically yelling some schoolyard trash talk is way overboard.
QueerAthlete22
The Cubs started the brawl. 7 games for being happy you struck someone out? Da fuq?
Dumpster Divin Theo
He didn’t start a brawl all by himself. If Javy didn’t have his pantaloons in a bunch all would be well.
Curly Was The Smart Stooge
He’s not out of touch, he’s a boob.
bucketbrew35
‘Manfred is incredibly out of touch.’ Understatement of the century.
ksoze
A very California idea there.
californiaangels
why would you want a clown on your team? at least hes good …. OH WAIT!
ksoze
OK Cali, find your safe space
californiaangels
safe space lol? ..no one in the league is scared of that string bean lol
IronWarPigs
It should be zero games, maybe Mel the Cubs forfeit a game for leaving the bench cause they got yelled at?
sean-11
Lol why are AG and castellanos acting like they have roid rage this year?
freeland1787
Garrett has a history of this.
bot
They are imitating their manager. Monkey see monkey do
Cambio
Whatever happened to being humble? Especially when your stat line is garbage for the season so far…
RunDMC
I’m not sure everyone understands the context of the moment that he struck Rizzo and didn’t end the inning, it was the 8th inning (not the 9th, end of game) and the Reds were losing by a run. I don’t know if Amir was trying to light a fire, but dude needs some Enya in his hype music.
Sideline Redwine
Welcome to sports in 2021, even in college. Make a play? Celebrate like you won the world series, regardless of larger context. It’s one reason many of us turn off sports–I cannot shake baseball, so I am stuck. But it turns my stomach. No humility. (And honestly, it transcends sports…)
Cambio
Sideline Redwine – 100% I feel the exact same way. Its ridiculous!
Dumpster Divin Theo
Moon out of sky!
cincyredlegs3219
Yea, seeing people express joy makes me hate sports too….
Cambio
Joy and arrogance are two very different things.
Dumpster Divin Theo
Okay fun police
CKinSTL
@cincyredlegs Ha, aggressively shouting at someone is an unusual way to express joy.. most people don’t mind a little celebration but he was aggressively directing it at Rizzo. What’s more is that it wasn’t even a huge accomplishment. He struck a dude out.. in the 8th inning in a game in May that they were losing to a sub.500 team. Yippee….
progers2622
And Jose from the Phils got a 3 game which was reduced down to 2 games for a very similar thing. And Baez gets a fine. SMH
anthonyd4412
He can act like a punk, and I’m a Cub fan, but 7 games is crazy. 2 would suffice.
Mrtwotone
“I’m like that”
Egon Spengler
Why did Garrett delete his Twitter page? I AM VERY UPSET AND WANT TO EXPRESS MY FEELINGS TO HIM IN A HARSH MANNER! It is his obligation to allow me the outlet to do that, so hopefully he re-activates his Twitter page so I can tweet “YOU SUCK” to him.
Comrade Tipsy McStagger
But guys. That isn’t even the biggest deal. Did you all see the colors on the field? I didn’t know the barrier was broken. And the gold on the necks and the teeth. Oh my stars. And that guy with the stuff on his teeth was dancing after he hit the ball! Dancing! I’m gonna faint! I just wish they could bring the sport back to when it meant something. Something real. The golden days (not the days of golden necks and teeth).. The days without. . . uh, the s-word. . . swag. You know, like 1946.
Darth Alru
You can still find him on Instagram.
ekrog
I’m sure he could care less about what you think, moron.
adkuchan
This seems pretty steep, but I believe there was a similar incident a few years ago with Baez, Rizzo, & Garrett where Garrett behaved in a similar fashion and benches cleared.
Cmurphy
Garrett has a rep for that stuff. Wasn’t it like two seasons ago he tried to fight the entire Pirates team? Wouldn’t be surprised if past instances played into the length (I agree it’s pretty steep).
jimmyz
You should find Jomboy’s breakdown of that brawl on youtube. Basically the Reds manager came to talk to Garrett on the mound and after Garrett says roughly five words to the manager he turns to the bench and signals to get someone in the bullpen ready then takes the ball from Garrett who immediately throws his glove down and charges the bench. Best part of the brawl though is Yasiel Puig trying to fight every Pirate and as things eventually start to calm down he is clearly upset with his teammates for not having his back even though they weren’t actually his teammates anymore because Puig was traded about two batters earlier and not taken out of the game yet.
jhanley108
MLB has become so soft, no real damage done and jawing back and forth gets a 7 game suspension? The extra innings rules, no blocking the plate and talk of moving the mound back. Team Mom and juice boxes for everyone!
dumbcommentresponder
They take all the passion out of the game makes it boring. Let guys show emotion, and if they’re dickheads, let people hate them.
Tmandolfan
Trade him to the Phillies!
WHeitzman
I really have no clue how MLB suspends guys for yelling, but not for intentionally throwing at batters or fighting. However Garrett should do less running his mouth and tweeting and focus on pitching. He is always starting something with the Cubs, specifically Rizzo. Rizzo on the other hand should stop crying and hit the ball if getting struck out is so offensive. These two are like children
sean-11
Lol what exactly did Rizzo do yesterday? He was seen laughing with sonny after the dust settled
WHeitzman
I didn’t see it, so no clue what he did. It’s the past incidents I am referring to. This happens every time they face each other. If Rizzo has finally moved on, good for him. Garrett clearly hasn’t, and continues to be an embarrassment to the Reds
drasco036
It wasn’t yelling… people not to stop saying MLB suspended Garrett for yelling. He got suspended for yelling at a Cubs and attempting to confront him. He 100% provoked the benches clearing.
Garrett first yelled at and attempted to provoke Rizzo, when that didn’t work he yelled at and successfully provoked the Cubs dugout.
It has nothing to do with showing emotion on the mound, it had everything to do with provoking speeches and gestures.
WHeitzman
Your entire statement is a contradiction. Stop saying he was suspended for yelling because he was suspended for yelling at the Cubs. So was it because he was yelling or because he was yelling?
Garrett is a scumbag who needs suspended, but he definitely was suspended for yelling at the Cubs. I have no clue what point you are trying to make
drasco036
Sorry, people are making it seem as if Garrett was just yelling to himself, pumping himself up. He was yelling and confronting the opposing players.
It’s a rather large difference between yelling/talking to ones self and being confrontational, which is what Garrett was doing.
It’s fine to show emotion, beat your chest, flip your bat, players might take offense but it’s whole heck of a lot different when you yell at a player(s) and approach them in a confrontational manner.
HalosHeavenJJ
Amir is a really charming, funny guy when he’s not pitching. Spent quite a while signing and joking with fans at Spring Training a couple of years back and I really enjoyed the time with him.
That said he needs to cool down on the field. Can’t be yelling “f–k you” at a guy just because you struck him out.
Sideline Redwine
Dude’s a mouth. I assume you have not visited his twitter page. He is his biggest fan, and he’ll tell you how great and smart he is. Not charming at all.
48-team MLB
This is not the way to revive the Big Red Machine. I don’t see Amir Garrett closing out the Red Sox and Yankees in back-to-back World Series.
diehardfantd
The Big Red machine is a legendary team the Reds now are not trying to revive that.
Garrett is an average reliever who overreacts to things.. Over reacting without hitting a batter in the head with a pitch gets a 7 game suspension is ridiculous as much as i dont like Garrets antics. I will admit it was fun back in the day witnessing the Reds sweeping the Yankees and beating the Red Sox in back to back world series something the narcissistic fans in the New York and Boston still havent gotten over.
VonPurpleHayes
I think it’s so severe because he’s not a first-time offender.
ksoze
What an absolute joke. Should Garrett run his mouth? No. Should he get suspended for it? No. Honestly I don’t know what the appropriate punishment should be in baseball for getting another teams panties in a bunch, but it shouldn’t be this.
BeingARedsFanHurts
Dude got excited and Baez jumps the rail and charges the field because he was being “disrespectful”…
How does AG get a 7 game suspension, and Baez gets a fine?
AG didn’t enter their dugout. He was where he was supposed to be.
Baez got his feelings hurt…thats why the benches cleared. Had he kept his ass in the dugout, nothing happens.
Thomas Walker
I get it. You’re a homer. I’m sure you think Garrett is a really good dude. Thing is, this is who he is. He’ll never “reign it in”. Just a big ol’ child. I’m sure almost 25 guys in that clubhouse were NOT on board with his actions the other day, even if they can’t say that in public. BTW, 7 games is definitely too much, but this dude is being punished for being a repeat idiot.
BeingARedsFanHurts
I think Garrett is a terrible reliever most of the time…and overly cocky. Wouldn’t ever call him a good dude. He is who he is.
It doesn’t matter how anyone felt. It’s about how they acted.
I’m not even opposed to a punishment, but no benches were clearing until baez rushed the field. There’s no way Garrett deserves a suspension if Baez doesn’t.
all in the suit that you wear
I think you have it right. Also, a seven game suspension seems too much for no punches thrown and no balls thrown near anyone’s head.
Dumpster Divin Theo
Protect Javy’s feelings! And the integrity of the Game! That punk violated one of baseballs most sacred unwritten rules.. Should have been at least 20 games.
Dumpster Divin Theo
He was totally out of line. Celebrating and jawing. Broke one of baseballs most holy unwritten rules. Oh wait. This just in… Wilson Contreras says hi.
drasco036
You apparently didn’t watch the game because that wasn’t remotely what happened.
He got suspended because he confronted and provoked the benches clearing. He didn’t “(get) excited” he ran his mouth AT Rizzo, he wasn’t talking to himself, he walked directly at Rizzo in an aggressive manner running his mouth, then he did the same thing to the Cubs dugout.
Also, it wasn’t even a big moment, the Cubs were up by one, the bases were empty and there was only one out. I could see him being excited if the bases were loaded and it was two outs, I didn’t see any of the Dodgers yelling AT Kris Bryant for striking him out (twice) with the bases loaded.
Thomas Walker
The only real winner here is the Reds. They don’t have to run that 11 plus ERA out there for a week.
bot
Just a handful of guys w 8 era’s
Armaments216
If I’m remembering the rules correctly, I don’t think the team gets to backfill a player’s roster spot when he’s suspended for conduct. Even if the guy’s having a down year it’ll really hurt the team to be down one arm in the bullpen for 7 games.
Thomas Walker
If you look up in the sky, you might still be able to catch a glimpse of the joke flying over your head.
Armaments216
Um, yeah, I get the joke. And I’ll rec bot’s, pointing out that the rest of their bullpen isn’t much better. I was just adding that even having a crappy pitcher is better than none when you’re trying to cover innings — a point no one else in the comments had made and it just seemed to fit here best.
Monkey’s Uncle
Garrett has a history of ticking off opposing players with his mouth and actions, and now I guess he’s ticked off the MLB commissioner’s office too. Still, it seems like a dartboard is being used to decide suspension lengths nowadays.
diehardfantd
I am a big Reds fan but it becomes harder and harder to witness Garret’stheatrics on the mound specially when he’s not pitching well but even when he does it seems like it’s totally unnecessary
RobPhill87
Any suspensions at all is absolutely ridiculous. AG didn’t throw any punches or charge anyone. He got animated asdnd Baez got his feelings hurt and turned that nothing situation into this. God forbid any Cub be upset. The Cubs do more unnecessary jawing than any team in the national league. Absolute hypocrisy. There should be no suspensions or fines on either side and Garrett will get this shortened to 3. I guess next time anyone strikes out a Cub, perhaps an apology is in order? Lol
RobPhill87
If I were David Ross and Javier Baez I’d be far more concerned with that 40% strike out rate than AG running his mouth.
Oddvark
I don’t get why the guys who actually started the physical alteractions in this incident and the Castellanos ones are mostly let off the hook. I guess MLB condones starting fights if you are standing up for your teammates who are getting briefly yelled at.
Personally, I would be more concerned about the people who actually initiate physical violence, but I’m not in charge, so what do I know.
bravesfan
I’m a big advocate for “let the kids play.”… but his actions and approach has been more of a true “rubbing it in” than a celebrating a good play/moment. He’s the kind of player that gives the Acuna, Tatis’, Anderson’s a bad name
SueJen
7 way too many. He did not throw a punch! Amir does need to harness himself and calm down. The penalty did not fit the crime in any way shape or form!
ekrog
This kind of thing is expected in football and basketball, yet MLB suspends him for 7 games. There’s a reason the average fan is 55, and and baseball will die with them. Fire Manfred.
PsychoTim
What next? Will I be tossed out of a stadium if I yell out “hey batter batter batter…”?
I’m fairly convinced that a sizeable portion of not just MLB players but their fans would not be able to handle the mental anguish from the trash talking during a pickup basketball game at the Y.
sean-11
Lololol screaming what he did at rizzo is nowhere near trash talking
619bird
I’m sure he’ll appeal and get it down to 4 games.
FletcherFan66
Amir was just doing a little trolling… plus the MLB has already handed out one unjust suspension to another Reds player. Sounds like Manfred has it out for them.
diehardfantd
I agree with Manfred having it out in the Reds. If castellanos or Garrett was on the Yankees or Red Sox the punishment of any would have been different
FletcherFan66
Nah, the Yankees, Astros, and Dodgers are the protected teams. The Yankees and Dodgers were implicated in the Red Sox sign stealing report, yet the Sox were the only team to get investigated.
leftyr32
Michael Hill dishes out the punishments. Same guy who interviewed and got turned down for Reds gm opening I’m November or December before Krall was promoted. That coupled with the seemingly over punishment of Castellanos and Garret is not a good optic.
WHeitzman
The Castellan’s suspension was ridiculous. I have no problem with Garrett’s suspension, except that Baez wasn’t also punished.
drasco036
Baez was fined so he was punished.
I do think Baez should have been suspended at least one game for flipping off Garrett and the profanity. Being that he wasn’t, makes me think that the evidence that MLB has, Garrett really crossed a line.
leftyr32
I have no problem with Garrett getting 2-3 games. 7 is excessive and Baez should have got 2-3 games, as Molina should’ve in the Castellanos incident.
Prospectnvstr
Bat flips are celebrated. Home run prancing, dancing and watching is encouraged. How would MLB handle the mad hungarian (Al Hrabosky) if he played in today’s era? For you young’uns out there check him out.
Dumpster Divin Theo
But Javy Baez has never done this. Please show one example where Javy has celebrated an on field accomplishment. He’s a model of decorum and plays the game the right way, respecting baseballs unwritten rules.
drasco036
There is a difference between celebrating and what Garrett did. Apparently you didn’t see the play in question because if you think that is the same as a bat flip or chest thumping, screaming into the mitt, then you have serious perspective problems.
Wilson Contreras is the “worst” offender on the Cubs when it comes to home run celebrations, the bat flip, the chest thumping, the arm raised, screaming at his dugout. BUT what Contreras doesn’t do is hit a home run, walk towards the pitcher screaming at him, then circle the bases while continuing to stare and yell at the pitcher, then turn and scream and walk towards the opposing dugout. THAT would be the equivalent to what Garrett did.
Now also, go actually watch the video, the umpire was already out, trying to get control of Garrett before the Cubs cleared the benches, he clearly crossed the line with some comment that we did not hear.
Dennis Boyd
Ludicrous
CravenMoorehead
Amir Garrett is a national treasure
bot
The way this country acts and what is celebrated- sounds about right
Dumpster Divin Theo
Wilson Contreras after sky high bat flip in a 10-0 rout. “If they don’t like me thats fine. I don’t play for other teams”. 9/26/2000. Anthony Rizzo before the game. “If you hit a homer, do something exciting”.
ortsacnilrats
I love hearing an 11 year olds take on celebrations.
johndietz
The best part was the Cubs still won the game
jorge78
This is just silly…..
GETBUCKETS
Not sure what he said it seemed to be something like this is my house with extra expletives but he seemed to be just fired up after the strikeout.
A batter can hit a homer and shout stuff and it’s okay, but a pitcher can’t??? That’s a double standard.
Capi
When the plate appearance started he walked down towards Rizzo staring at him… Then he stared at him after the first couple of pitches.
And after the K he did yell something like “This is my house, I’m right here b’tch”… Then something else and then he said “f’er”…
Jomboy has a breakdown on YouTube.
Jersey609
He kept saying “I’m bad” too deserves a fine/suspension just for saying that dumb BS if you have to say it you probably aren’t lol
24TheKid
How many home runs does a batter hit vs how many strike outs does a pitcher record a season? Home runs are much more rare meaning they’re worth celebrating.
its_happening
Good things are worth celebrating (or not), but let’s stop trying to compare strikeouts to homers. Homeruns really aren’t that rare anymore and the bat flips in the third inning down 5 are dumb. It’s more the context rather than the act itself.
As for Garrett, his act is more like a loose cannon.
GETBUCKETS
Well if that’s the train of thought….How many strikeouts does a relief pitcher get who throws 1 inning every couple of days if the right situation arises
Sky14
Clearing the dugout over a celebration? Sounds like the Cubs need to toughen up.
GETBUCKETS
Javy was the one that started the benches clearing potion of this
Flyby
Everyone is saying this unjust, This isnt the first time his emotions have caused a brawl. Remember the pitcher that charged the dugout in 2019. He came out swinging and received 8 games for that. Is this one not as bad as the previous brawl, but it is a repeat offender which pushes the suspension higher. Thank goodness cooler heads prevailed on the cubs side or this could have very well been another brawl.
Link for prior suspension: mlbtraderumors.com/2019/08/suspensions-issued-afte…
HubcapDiamondStarHalo
I dunno. I think Reds management took a look at the guy’s numbers and called MLBHQ and pleaded to have the suspension upped by a few games…
SonnySteele
It’s interesting that we never hear about players fighting each other outside of the ball parks. I guess if they’re not on TV they’re not interested in fisticuffs.
zappaforprez
7 games for showing emotion? Baseball really is going down the tube, eh.
prov356
There is celebrating/showing emotion, and then there’s what Garrett did when he struck out Rizzo. I think he was out of line on many levels. Also, Baez should not have hopped the dugout. I didn’t know of Garrett before this article but based on the comments, it sounds like he’s a repeat bully. You have to stand up to bullies so I understand the reaction. If Garrett was yelling like that at someone in my circle, I would have reacted too.
I think MLB should have watched and let the Reds handle their own because when he is wearing the jersey, he is representing the team. That’s an internal issue first. If the Reds ignore it, then MLB steps in.
Bottom line, a guy with a 5.11 career ERA and 10.38 season ERA should be quiet and try to learn his craft and build on the small victories that don’t seem to come too often for him.
saluelthpops
Agreed. But it also appears this is a culture within the Reds team. You have Castellanos doing his “tough guy” thing standing over a rookie pitcher, a manager who consistently gets tossed from games, and Garrett just being Garrett.
These guys are cowards. They know they will never have to actually defend themselves because the entire team always rushes in. This is straight up bully behavior—being a tough guy knowing full well there will be no repercussions. Keep it up, Reds. This is why the losing will continue.
diehardfantd
You don’t know what you are talking about. Castellanos got hit by a pitch
And later scores and got fired up when he scored . He didn’t throw any punches . The cardinals pitchers have hit several guys this year like they did when Bryce Harper got hit in the face and right after that hit gregorious .
The problem is the inconsistency with how baseball administers discipline . A guy shouldn’t get hit with a two game suspension for getting fired up. That’s stupid . Molina didn’t get suspended at all for shoving a reds player after the incident happened
robb5215
Jawing is a staple in sports today as are antics like an exaggerated bat flip or TD dance. I personally think it belittles the sport and the person who is just doing their job. Imagine a Doctor slamming down his scalpel and dancing around the operating room after a successful surgery!
If umpires found no reason to eject anyone, the league should stay out of it! However if you look at the overall video, it’s plain to a sensible person to see the man who jumped over the railing and made indecent jestures toward the man is clearly the bench clearing instigator and should be the one more guilty of punishment.
drasco036
You cannot be serious…. if you watch the video you see Garrett clearly attempting to provoke Rizzo and the Cubs dugout. Take off your Red colored glasses.
leftyr32
Baez had zero business leaving the dugout. They both should have gotten 2 games. Cubs dugout talks more trash than any other NL team.
drasco036
Clearly, MLB sees if differently and they have more information that you or I… I have no idea what was actually said to Rizzo or what was directed at Baez (Garrett and Baez have a history). I could understand the reaction somewhat if Garrett struck out Baez since Baez literally owns him.
Garrett said something got Heyward to come out, Heyward does not come out of the dugout. If you watch the video, Heyward is one of the first people out of the dugout and his body language is not of a guy who is coming out to de-escalate. Nearly every other time I’ve seen the benches clear, Heyward is on the outside, occasionally holding someone back.
I’ve also never heard that the Cubs dugout “talks more trash than any other NL team” prior to this thread but I’ll take you at your word. I see waaay too many flamboyant bat flips coming from some of the Cubs hitters (Baez, Wilco, Bote) but that is just part of the game now. Ozuna a couple days ago, walking half way down the line and then pretending to take a selfie was one of the most ridiculous things I’ve seen and I didn’t see or hear any Cubs player jawing at him because of it.
It’s not like the Cubs are the “no fun police” like the Cardinals… How Castellanos was suspended and not Molina (who actually made contact) was not is beyond me but Molina also avoided being suspended when a baseball literally stuck to his chest protector.
leftyr32
You could really hear it last year with no fans. Read a few articles about it. Bryant said they embraced being viewed as obnoxious. It would appear Garrett does too. I thought the actions of both Garrett and Baez should’ve drawn 2-3 game suspensions. The fact that Baez got zero games when he hopped the railing in COVID times is ludicrous.
Bart Harley Jarvis
Hey, what happened to ‘letting the kids play’?
junkmale
I like Garrett’s skillset a lot, but, yikes, he definitely has made it tough to root for him this year.