Imagine thinking DiMaggio’s hitting streak is more likely to be broken than Hershiser’s scoreless streak. It’s hard to imagine Cal Ripken Jr.’s consecutive game record broken, the way the game is managed today, but even that streak will fall before DiMaggio’s. That question must have been from a youngster.
Thank you for calling me young! Though it wasn’t in a complimentary fashion, I’ll still take it. Depending on how stats are going to be compared (within the last 40 years), you may be surprised.
For example, look at hitting streaks of 30 or 40 games or more and compare to scoreless inning streaks in the 30 to 40 range.
There are more hitters in that range in the last 40 years than pitchers,if we look at 30+ innings and 30+ games. Greinke, Webb, and Kershaw vs Molitor, Rollins, Castillo, Utley, Santiago, and Uggla.
Now, those hitters’ streaks all ended in the 30 game range where the above trio got into the 40s.
But claiming with certainty any record like Dimaggio’s, Ripken’s, or Hershiser’s will fall before another streak is broken is a not a wise bet. But thanks again for the youngster comment!
I’ve always considered Vander Meet’s achievement more an amazingly impressive quirk (that’s not the right word, but neither is oddity, like CBATL uses below for Tatis’ two grand slams) than a record. Af all, how much can something really be a record if the counting of it only goes to two? Again still extremely impressive, but not something that belongs in a record book.
Sorry, didn’t mean the youngster comment as an insult, just a little needle. And, I wasn’t saying anything with certainty. All I was saying is the DiMaggio streak, seems to me, to be the most inconceivable of being broken (Not counting Ripken’s streak.).
I think the way the game is managed today makes the pitching streak more likely to be broken. Hershiser, averaged over 6 innings (6.14) per game for his entire career. But, he pitched in 34 more games than he had starts, meaning, in his game starts, he averaged well over that 6 inning average. Pitchers these days won’t average anywhere close to that, so having their innings spread out over more games seems to me to make it more likely.
Look at Yusmeiro Petit. A guy with only 59 starts in his 438 games. He averaged less than 2 innings per game. And here’s a guy with a 105 career ERA+ who holds the record for most consecutive batters retired at 46. That was done in 2014, beating Mark Buehrle’s record set in 2009.
Where the hitters are concerned, I think the current management works against them, but maybe to a lesser extent. Some hitters get pulled for defensive substitution, meaning fewer ABs per game. Granted, that’s not the case for all hitters, but fewer hitters having a shot at the streak also makes it less likely broken. Pete Rose had a phenomenal run at it 43 years ago, but still fell 12 games short of tying it.
Hershiser only topped the record by 1 inning, set 20 years earlier. Greinke got within 13 1/3 innings, less than 2 games, just 6 years ago.
The 2nd and 4th longest hitting streaks happened in the 1800’s. Only Pete Rose, George Sisler in 1922, and Ty Cobb in 1911 have 40 or over in the last century. I wouldn’t be nearly as surprised at Hershiser’s record being broken than I would at DiMaggio’s.
There are many records I don’t see every being broken – Ripken’s consecutive games played, Cy Young’s wins (and losses), Rickey Henderson’s season and career stolen base marks – simply because of changes in how the game is played. Whether these changes are better or worse is a matter of opinion, but the game continues to evolve.
Id say Dimaggio s hit streak is more likely to be broken than Ripken’s record. Even if a manager broke from the new norm and let players play every day, it would take quite a bit of luck. That is a long time for a player to not suffer any lingering issues over a 162 game season. Especially once a player hits their 30s and body starts taking more time to recover. I would say the chances of a good hitter getting hot for a few months and possibly catching a few breaks in the schedule would be much more likely.
Not even on those levels and just more a oddity achievement but – Poppa Tatis 2 grand slams in one inning always amazed me. All the things that have to break just right to even be in position to attempt it. Also a record for rbi’s in a inning I believe.
On February 21 of this year, freshman catcher Caleb Pendleton of Florida Atlantic University hit two grand slams in the second inning of a game against Central Florida. Those were his first two at-bats as a college baseball player. It’s all downhill from there.
Correct but in its current form and at its current rates liberty media won’t even blink on the idea. Liberty is big enough to sit on that kind of investment hence why they were the first MLB team to be publicly traded.
I may need a Braves fan to help me out regarding their ownership.
Its my understanding that the Braves are a subsidiary or division of Liberty Media Group which is a publicly traded company. As a result, the Braves financials are included within Liberty Media’s quarterly and annual reports. And Liberty Media could spin them off if they choose to do so. But the Braves themselves are not publicly traded.
Why is MLBTR keeping comments closed on some of their posts such as the one about MLB moving the ASG and draft out of ATL? None of us want politics in sports and if we all band together maybe, just maybe, we can do something about it. Letters to MLB and congress/senate, boycotting their services. As much as I want to watch baseball for the sake of baseball, it’s really more for my kids. I’ll go to little league games. And for crying out loud MLBTR, leave comments open for discussion. You’re not helping by keeping people from being able to talk about it.
@rockwell it’s simple mlbtr is a private entity with same rights as anyone else and it’s their decision to close comments if they choose too. also it goes back to the 5~10% of idiot posters on here that troll and scream loudly and get sensible posters to engage is the major reason they close down certain articles. also keep in mind this is a site for all ages to visit and articles and comments need to be in good taste, this isn’t the local sports bar where we can spout off like idiots.
I agree with you in theory, however, that’s a slippery slope argument. Why can’t adults just act maturely and have meaningful conversation? Why do I even bother asking that question? It seems to me most people (to include MLBTR) would rather stay quiet for fear of some people getting carried away, getting offended, etc than to do what is right by having meaningful conversations about these problems that affect so many people and help come to reasonable solutions. In fact, I’d argue MLBTR has a large enough platform to actually facilitate this and assist in coming to said reasonable solutions. It is beyond frustrating to me to see a lack of willingness by so many to protect sports for what they are: sports, and instead say “oh well”, sit idly by and watch these mega companies influence people’s politics by the stances THEY make. We’re the ones who empower these companies. So let’s make them pay dearly for pissing on the past time by politicizing it. They only have the power we give them, but it must be a collective effort.
Personally I think a lot of these problems go back to the 5~10% of idiots on this site, they are the kids that never grew up. The bigger problem is that them people know how to get under the most sensible person and get them to engage in some idiocracy, and as a whole we fall for it and turn threads into heated debates that have nothing to do with sports.
Nice chat. Thanks
No! Wait! I wanted to ask a question!!!
I took yours- got 5 answered
Rascal. You owe me..
Imagine thinking DiMaggio’s hitting streak is more likely to be broken than Hershiser’s scoreless streak. It’s hard to imagine Cal Ripken Jr.’s consecutive game record broken, the way the game is managed today, but even that streak will fall before DiMaggio’s. That question must have been from a youngster.
Thank you for calling me young! Though it wasn’t in a complimentary fashion, I’ll still take it. Depending on how stats are going to be compared (within the last 40 years), you may be surprised.
For example, look at hitting streaks of 30 or 40 games or more and compare to scoreless inning streaks in the 30 to 40 range.
There are more hitters in that range in the last 40 years than pitchers,if we look at 30+ innings and 30+ games. Greinke, Webb, and Kershaw vs Molitor, Rollins, Castillo, Utley, Santiago, and Uggla.
Now, those hitters’ streaks all ended in the 30 game range where the above trio got into the 40s.
But claiming with certainty any record like Dimaggio’s, Ripken’s, or Hershiser’s will fall before another streak is broken is a not a wise bet. But thanks again for the youngster comment!
I pick Johnny Vander Meer’s record as the most difficult streak to break. No one will pitch three straight no-hitters.
I’ve always considered Vander Meet’s achievement more an amazingly impressive quirk (that’s not the right word, but neither is oddity, like CBATL uses below for Tatis’ two grand slams) than a record. Af all, how much can something really be a record if the counting of it only goes to two? Again still extremely impressive, but not something that belongs in a record book.
Vander Meer threw TWO consecutive no-hitters.
*After all…” not “Af all…”
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Sorry, didn’t mean the youngster comment as an insult, just a little needle. And, I wasn’t saying anything with certainty. All I was saying is the DiMaggio streak, seems to me, to be the most inconceivable of being broken (Not counting Ripken’s streak.).
I think the way the game is managed today makes the pitching streak more likely to be broken. Hershiser, averaged over 6 innings (6.14) per game for his entire career. But, he pitched in 34 more games than he had starts, meaning, in his game starts, he averaged well over that 6 inning average. Pitchers these days won’t average anywhere close to that, so having their innings spread out over more games seems to me to make it more likely.
Look at Yusmeiro Petit. A guy with only 59 starts in his 438 games. He averaged less than 2 innings per game. And here’s a guy with a 105 career ERA+ who holds the record for most consecutive batters retired at 46. That was done in 2014, beating Mark Buehrle’s record set in 2009.
Where the hitters are concerned, I think the current management works against them, but maybe to a lesser extent. Some hitters get pulled for defensive substitution, meaning fewer ABs per game. Granted, that’s not the case for all hitters, but fewer hitters having a shot at the streak also makes it less likely broken. Pete Rose had a phenomenal run at it 43 years ago, but still fell 12 games short of tying it.
Hershiser only topped the record by 1 inning, set 20 years earlier. Greinke got within 13 1/3 innings, less than 2 games, just 6 years ago.
The 2nd and 4th longest hitting streaks happened in the 1800’s. Only Pete Rose, George Sisler in 1922, and Ty Cobb in 1911 have 40 or over in the last century. I wouldn’t be nearly as surprised at Hershiser’s record being broken than I would at DiMaggio’s.
There’s no chance Ripken’s record gets broken.
Both players and owners have too much on the line to risk injury toward the pursuit of an unattainable record.
No one even cares anymore, honestly.
There are many records I don’t see every being broken – Ripken’s consecutive games played, Cy Young’s wins (and losses), Rickey Henderson’s season and career stolen base marks – simply because of changes in how the game is played. Whether these changes are better or worse is a matter of opinion, but the game continues to evolve.
Id say Dimaggio s hit streak is more likely to be broken than Ripken’s record. Even if a manager broke from the new norm and let players play every day, it would take quite a bit of luck. That is a long time for a player to not suffer any lingering issues over a 162 game season. Especially once a player hits their 30s and body starts taking more time to recover. I would say the chances of a good hitter getting hot for a few months and possibly catching a few breaks in the schedule would be much more likely.
Not even on those levels and just more a oddity achievement but – Poppa Tatis 2 grand slams in one inning always amazed me. All the things that have to break just right to even be in position to attempt it. Also a record for rbi’s in a inning I believe.
and just as likely to never happen again is a pitcher giving 2 grand slams in a single inning… to the same batter.
On February 21 of this year, freshman catcher Caleb Pendleton of Florida Atlantic University hit two grand slams in the second inning of a game against Central Florida. Those were his first two at-bats as a college baseball player. It’s all downhill from there.
youtube.com/watch?v=L23kdptGA2c
Virtually no chance of new ownership in Atlanta with them being publicly traded.
That doesn’t have anything to do with it. In fact, one day they may want to raise a quick
2 billion for their shareholders with a sale…..
Correct but in its current form and at its current rates liberty media won’t even blink on the idea. Liberty is big enough to sit on that kind of investment hence why they were the first MLB team to be publicly traded.
I may need a Braves fan to help me out regarding their ownership.
Its my understanding that the Braves are a subsidiary or division of Liberty Media Group which is a publicly traded company. As a result, the Braves financials are included within Liberty Media’s quarterly and annual reports. And Liberty Media could spin them off if they choose to do so. But the Braves themselves are not publicly traded.
Is this correct?
That’s correct.
Virtually no chance of new ownership in Atlanta with them being publicly traded.
Why is MLBTR keeping comments closed on some of their posts such as the one about MLB moving the ASG and draft out of ATL? None of us want politics in sports and if we all band together maybe, just maybe, we can do something about it. Letters to MLB and congress/senate, boycotting their services. As much as I want to watch baseball for the sake of baseball, it’s really more for my kids. I’ll go to little league games. And for crying out loud MLBTR, leave comments open for discussion. You’re not helping by keeping people from being able to talk about it.
@rockwell it’s simple mlbtr is a private entity with same rights as anyone else and it’s their decision to close comments if they choose too. also it goes back to the 5~10% of idiot posters on here that troll and scream loudly and get sensible posters to engage is the major reason they close down certain articles. also keep in mind this is a site for all ages to visit and articles and comments need to be in good taste, this isn’t the local sports bar where we can spout off like idiots.
I agree with you in theory, however, that’s a slippery slope argument. Why can’t adults just act maturely and have meaningful conversation? Why do I even bother asking that question? It seems to me most people (to include MLBTR) would rather stay quiet for fear of some people getting carried away, getting offended, etc than to do what is right by having meaningful conversations about these problems that affect so many people and help come to reasonable solutions. In fact, I’d argue MLBTR has a large enough platform to actually facilitate this and assist in coming to said reasonable solutions. It is beyond frustrating to me to see a lack of willingness by so many to protect sports for what they are: sports, and instead say “oh well”, sit idly by and watch these mega companies influence people’s politics by the stances THEY make. We’re the ones who empower these companies. So let’s make them pay dearly for pissing on the past time by politicizing it. They only have the power we give them, but it must be a collective effort.
It’s sad that MLBTR removes factual posts that don’t fit the current groupthink.
Personally I think a lot of these problems go back to the 5~10% of idiots on this site, they are the kids that never grew up. The bigger problem is that them people know how to get under the most sensible person and get them to engage in some idiocracy, and as a whole we fall for it and turn threads into heated debates that have nothing to do with sports.
You’re definitely not wrong about that