The Dodgers have agreed to a deal with top free agent starter Trevor Bauer, reports MLB Network’s Jon Heyman (via Twitter). It’s a three-year deal with opt-outs after year one and year two, per ESPN’s Jeff Passan. MLB.com’s Mark Feinsand adds that Bauer is guaranteed a total of $102MM on the deal, which includes a $40MM salary in 2021 and a $45MM salary in 2022. Both marks establish new records for the highest single-season salary, though the contract’s overall $34MM average annual value is still a bit shy of Gerrit Cole’s record $36MM. Bauer himself has confirmed the signing on YouTube.
The Mets offered Bauer more than the Dodgers did in the end, Joel Sherman of the New York Post tweets, but the Santa Clarita native and UCLA product was drawn both to Southern California, the opportunity to help defend a World Series championship and to the Dodgers’ “cutting edge,” technologically and data-driven pitching practices, per Sherman.
By landing Bauer, the Dodgers will be able to boast one of the more imposing rotations in recent memory. The reigning NL Cy Young winner will join a starting staff that already includes Walker Buehler, Clayton Kershaw, Julio Urias and David Price, with youngsters Dustin May and Tony Gonsolin available to soak up some innings as well as the club tries to manage workloads after a shortened 2020 schedule.
Bauer is a polarizing arm among MLB fans, both for his social media presence and for the volatility of his on-field performance. The right-hander was the No. 3 overall pick out of UCLA back in 2011, and while he was always billed as a potential top-of-the-rotation arm as a prospect, he settled in as more of a mid-rotation starter with tantalizing stuff for much of his early career.
Things changed in 2018 when Bauer broke out with a brilliant, Cy Young-caliber season. He may well have won the AL Cy Young with the Indians that year had a stress fracture in his right tibia not cut his season short by a month. Bauer started 27 games in 2018 and pitched to a pristine 2.21 ERA and 2.94 SIERA while striking out 30.8 percent of his opponents against just a 7.9 percent walk rate. Bauer posted a 13.3 percent swinging-strike rate that year, averaged 95 miles per hour on his four-seamer and, at age 27, looked to be breaking out as the ace he’d long been expected to become.
The pendulum swung back in the opposite direction early in 2019, however. Bauer got out to a fine start, pitching to a 3.49 ERA and racking up 152 1/3 innings through his first 23 starts before he was blown up for eight runs in a now-infamous start that saw him hurl the ball over the center field fence at Kansas City’s Kauffman Stadium upon being removed from the game. Bauer was surprisingly traded to the Reds just days later, and his initial stint in Cincinnati didn’t go well, to say the least. In 10 games with the Reds down the stretch in 2019, Bauer was hammered for a 6.39 ERA.
That bloated mark was due largely to a fluky home run rate, however, and Bauer saw both his strikeout and walk rates remain strong. Fielding-independent pitching metrics were more bullish on his work, and his velocity held up. Entering the 2020 season, he looked like a potential rebound candidate, and he achieved that feat and then some.
Bauer’s 1.73 ERA paced the National League and was second in all of MLB to Shane Bieber, while his 2.94 SIERA ranked fourth behind Bieber, Jacob deGrom and Kenta Maeda. Bieber and deGrom were the only two starters in the game to top Bauer’s 36 percent strikeout rate, and that same pair were the only two starters with a better K-BB% than Bauer’s 29.9.
Obviously, the historic contracts that both the Dodgers and Mets were willing to put forth in order to sign Bauer are bets not necessarily on his career marks but on his ability to continue pitching at his 2018 and 2020 levels. His detractors will regularly point out that Bauer has “only” had 1.5 elite seasons, while supporters can point to the fact that outside his final 11 starts in 2019, Bauer has been pitching at a front-of-the-rotation level since Opening Day 2018. Even with that brutal finish to the 2019 season, he owns a 3.18 ERA and 3.61 SIERA with premium strikeout and walk rates over the past three years combined.
Fans can — and will — debate whether that’s worth a record-setting investment, but it should also be noted that the reason for his sky-high AAV is that both the Dodgers and Mets were willing to pay a premium to limit the length of the contract. Had Bauer sought a contract of five, six or seven years in length, as most pitchers of his age and with his track record would have done, he’d have commanded a strong but decidedly smaller annual salary. The Dodgers have previously pursued this type of arrangement with other premier free agents, most notably including Bryce Harper, whom they reportedly offered roughly $45MM annually over a four-year term during his free agency a few years ago.
The Bauer contract will send the Dodgers skyrocketing past the $210MM luxury-tax barrier, making them the lone club in baseball this winter that has been willing to surpass that mark. While many owners have treated that threshold as a salary cap, the reality is that the Dodgers’ penalty for signing Bauer won’t be particularly heavy. They’d dipped south of the luxury line in 2019 and 2020, so they’ll be considered a first-time offender.
The Dodgers owe a 20 percent tax on the first $20MM by which they exceed the $210MM mark and a 32 percent tax on the next $20MM. Roster Resource’s Jason Martinez projects the team’s luxury obligations at roughly $239.5MM — meaning the Dodgers’ tax penalty, at present, will be a hair north of $7MM. That’s assuming no further additions or subtractions to the payroll, of course, but it’s certainly possible they could look for some creative trades to alter that financial outlook — particularly if they still hope to bring back franchise cornerstone Justin Turner.
We also can’t forget the Reds when talking about Bauer’s signing. While Cincinnati never looked like a realistic option to re-sign the Cy Young winner, the Reds did make him an $18.9MM qualifying offer, meaning they’re entitled to draft compensation. They’ll receive a pick at the end of the first round of next year’s draft, whereas the Dodgers will forfeit their second-highest selection in next year’s draft and also lose $500K of next year’s international bonus pool.
The last-minute Bauer strike by the Dodgers only further boosts what was already one of the game’s deepest and most talented pitching staffs. It also serves as counterpunch of sorts to an uber-aggressive winter from the division-rival Padres, who’ve added the likes of Blake Snell, Yu Darvish and Joe Musgrove to their own staff. With the Rockies dealing away Nolan Arenado, the Giants making rather minimal additions and the D-backs largely sitting out the offseason, the stage is set for a two-team race for NL West supremacy.
While Bauer’s three-month free-agent saga has drawn to a dramatic close, it’s quite possible a similar cycle will play out again next winter. Tempting as the $45MM salary in 2022 would be, he’ll “only” have two years and $62MM remaining on his contract next winter. A $31MM annual value over a two-year term makes for quite the safety net, but if Bauer again pitches at an ace-caliber level, he’d surely be able to command a larger guarantee over a lengthier term — or at least secure a similar three-year deal with ultra-premium annual salaries once again.
Opting out of the $45MM salary in 2022 may seem unthinkable to some, but remember that as recently as 2019, Bauer was planning to only ever sign one-year contracts in his career, believing strongly in furthering the market for future pitchers, maintaining control over his career and maximizing his earnings through a series of year-to-year arrangements wherein he was taking on more risk than teams. Bauer obviously softened his stance and displayed a willingness to consider multi-year pacts this winter, but the opt-out provisions in this contract give him all the flexibility of a one-year pact, and he could look for a similar opportunity next winter if he has earning power beyond that $62MM guarantee.
Good signing by the Dodgers. They needed to do something after the Padres acquired Darvish, Snell, and Musgrove.
Finally!
It looks like there’s no doubt whatsoever the Dodgers are the N.L. and WS favorite once again.
I’m curious to see how much more the Mets offered than the Dodgers.
no way they did not per year maybe total
I dunno, but that deadline the Mets set looks like it scared the hell out of him.
Scared? I suspect annoyed may be more accurate. But I’m simply speculating.
While LAD offered slightly less total money, the higher AAV, opt-outs, the deadline, hometown team, and the LAD’s embracing of analytics (more than many teams) were all likely contributing factors.
Because of Bauer? The guy is a question mark IMO. Might be really good or mediocre. Too early to crown the dodgers.
So if the Mets had signed him, you would have loved the deal?
It’s the Dodgers crown until someone else proves otherwise…this is only going to make that harder to do…not impossible but harder
83sox94win05,
It’s what the Mets couldn’t offer — the weather.
Very happy that he didn’t take the Mets deal. What a waste of money. Now NY can sign Odorizzi or Taijuan Walker and get a centerfielder or thirdbaseman.
Typical loser New Yorker. Guy wins the CY Young last year and this clown says it’s “Too early to crown the Dodgers”. They just gave the double middle fingers to the Padres with this deal. The bad a&& Mets thought they had this guy locked up and their big ego owner thought he could outspend every other team. It should come down to Dodgers, Padres, Mets, Braves and Cards as the top teams in the NL.
Or a winning team.
Odorizzi or Walker LOL Those are the types of pitchers the POS Angels usually end up signing.
DodgerJR: Why must you insult an entire city of people for one statement that is actually accurate? Seems a bit dramatic.
Good to see the Dodgers strapped for cash committed to Betts and now Bauer Close to luxury tax won’t be able to sign
Cody Berlinger
Geno55 bellinger isn’t a free agent till 25’ nice try troll
Dodgers are now $30+ milllion over CBT and it gets worse next season.
POS Angels? Classy comment.
Hey come on now. He had another good year when he was with Cleveland.
@pads fan 65 million off the books with kershaw, kenley and Kelly. Try again. Dodgers just ended padres chances in short and long term.
Mets already have deGrom and some good guys behind him. We need a CFr, not a way overpaid headcase. Odorizzi or Walker would be much better for us in that context. Not every signing need be buckets of money to a big name for it to be good. In fact, those big deals usually do more harm than good. Better off with JBJ and Walker for much less money.
But when you have the best TV deal in baseball, it cushions the financial blow
And? Seems as if they don’t care as much as you do.
@ Tatsumaki
Do you not see the Dodgers re-signing Kershaw and Seager? That will be around $60 million right there. If the Dodgers keep them they stay way over the lux tax. If they don’t re-sign them the team gets much worse, doesn’t it?
No matter how you look at it the $40 million for Bauer is $40 million less for other players. I personally don’t think this was the best allocation of Dodger’s resources. Just my opinion.
I agree with you. Bauer is a good pitcher, not a great pitcher. To offer a contract based on 11 starts, such a small sample, seems almost a move of desperation. Don’t get me wrong, I hope Bauer can turn in a solid full season, but I have serious doubts. My honest prediction: Dodgers will get burned and Bauer laughs all the way to the bank. Padres win the division.
@jerrybird pads are so thin at ever position and are relying on career years from half there squad. If you think pads win division you clearly know nothing about baseball
kershaw and jansen come off the books after this year I think, so if they both walk, that alone would get them under the cap next year, but no room for a SS signing….maybe david price comes off too? i think he’s 16 million in salary
Anybody see the piece on YouTube about Bauer? Interesting
Dodger JR=stereotype of the common knucklehead(and proud) sports fan.
Smith + prospects to Ray’s for kiermaier and Adames. What do you think?
Desperation, Jerry Bird? Yeah, Dodgers are really desperate.
Trevor Bauer just got megabucks on a “career year” of 11 starts, he will return to being average in 2021. I think you are the one who clearly knows nothing about baseball. Teams that win generally have several players with career years (remember the Cubs?). Wait and see on the Padres. They should have a good year. I appreciate your fine wisdom and true baseball knowledge, not to mention your blind judgement of others. You should change your name to Captain Obvious.
Fox471, dishing out that kind of money for Bauer has to be somewhat desperate. A season of 11 starts proves nothing but the Dodgers have to keep pace with the Padres. I’m not even a Padre fan, but they have made some good moves and have a lot of talent. I can respect that.
Had Bauer signed with anybody else, I’d feel the same way.
@tatsu. Pads are deep at every position. But then you knew that…
very on the same wavelength as you about Bauer looking like a mmediocre SP based on his history and numbers. BUT, I totally trust the Dodgers front office at this point. They know players and really have had a knack for finding gems in the recycle bin.
Maybe they, Friedman & the Boys, really saw something n Bauer the past couple seasons. He has been a big advocate for that camp up in Seattle(?), sorry I forget the name). My reading found references that is pitch metrics (mechanical) have improved a great deal. I sort of lean toward analyzing spin rate as a good indicator? Bauer has improved in that metric quite a bit in the past 3 seasons.
We will see, and I feel it is a good time to buy on the best players given how teams aren’t spending really. So why not take a flyer on a guy like Bauer because if he is what we all hope, this will be maybe the best rotation in my 60yrs on the planet. I also look at Price being back playing it like adding another high end FA starter. This is a seriously scary rotation if they are all healthy.
The addition, while one I am still not sold on, is a huge upside move. And also a clear sign they will likely go in on a fair deal for Turner who earned a raise to a bit over market for what he gave on ‘only’ a $16M wage…he deserves a 3yr + option 4th season at about $20M per. Yeah a bit of an overpay but they really do owe him for all the brought to the team since making the MLB roster…
Did you not see his playoff start against the Braves this past postseason? To bad the Reds couldn’t push a run or 2 across the plate for Bauer in that game.
Do you mean Dom Smith and Willy Adames? I think it would Dom for KK, Adames and a top-10 Rays’ prospect. KK is overpaid for his decking production and Adames is a solid backup.
@brewer88 so deep they got swept and fans cried they didn’t have there 2 best pitchers. We didn’t have buehler most of the season May and gonsolin stepped up. That’s called depth.
Adames is what?
Crown??? 50 games and the Dodgers are Champs?? Bullshit good team but show me the whole season… ws. Champs with asterisk for sure
Typical New Yorkers are Yankee Fans.. and we wouldn’t sign Bauer if he was free. Good job for LA though.. you just made a mediocre pitcher very very rich
the only ppl that care about winning the Division are ppl that never win a Division. at this point, Dodger fans could care less. Would actually be very funny if the Padres win the NL West but the Dodgers win the WS.
Chalk73….It does not appear that Dodger JR knows what classy is. Or he’s off his meds and self-medicating.
@MikeD ( my third favorite Beastie Boy)
LAD is likely not interested in Kermaier. Maybe some iteration of that (Smith for Adames) IF Barnes is hitting very well and Ruiz is banging down the door in the minors.
Crown them, they’re the champs!
If the champ doesn’t get the crown, who does?
They’re the deepest org in baseball.
Your asterisk theory is flawed
But aren’t the padres considered elite now because of a bunch of guys that had career years. Lamet, Darvish, Cronenworth, Grisham, and even
Machado had his best season.
Ray had a chance to deal Snell to dodgers will now regret that
@paddyo875 ( my third favorite Beastie Boy)
I am talking about Dom Smith ( Mets player)
They need a CF ( kiermaier) and Adames to play second or third. I am just playing Gm just like everybody else.
Which they already were even before this, were they not?
Braves were in play…until the very end
No one is worth that kind of yearly value unless they sell a lot of marketable items. Boy oh boy is that a lot of shirts and bobble head dolls.
I guess they were thinking that the year the Nationals knocked them out too right?
For people who don’t know about the NL West the Dodgers look good. But the Padres weakness last year was rotation, and they fixed that. They are going to win the division.
Further, the Dodgers were aided by the short season where Kershaw and the ‘pen were not gassed. That ring should be set with asterix cut gems. If they make the playoffs this year it will be as a wildcard and running on fumes. I don’t see them making a serious run as they are currently organized.
They are an injury or 2 from being the third place team and not making the playoffs.
That’s hysterical. The Dodgers won the division and made a WS without Corey Seager. They won a WS with Bellinger being a below average player, too. They could likely lose both of those guys for the year and still win the division.
Your bitterness as a Giants fan is coloring your objectivity, Are you actually trying to claim that the Giants, as configured, are a better team than the Dodgers minus one or two key players?
@giantshaverings 2 must be nice living in your own reality. The picture you paint is true with padres they have zero depth as hightlighted when lamet and Clevinger went down. That coupled with all there players getting bailed out by a shortened season and something that wouldn’t be sustained over a 162. Career years for machado, cronenworth, lamet, myers, hosmer to name a few. Dodgers had most guys underperforming and still swept padres with ease exposing padres for who they are. Will be nice to see padres miss playoffs when they come down to earth and have to play 162 instead of 62. Wonder what excuse will be?
Another bitter Giants fan? The short season most likely helped Kershaw because he pitched less and was fresher for the playoffs, I get that argument. But there is no way that the Dodgers were not going to make the playoffs. The roster was too good and so deep. So, last year’ s playoffs added an extremely dumb best of three series. That is a complete random series. The Dodgers were the first ever WS team to go through that many opponents. So, yes they deserve an asterisk for winning the WS in the most challenging playoff environment.
Beyond dumb, giantsshawhatever.
Aptly named, chimp.
sigh…come on man, the Pads are not that great yet. They have built a really fun team though. I’m a lifetime Dodger fan (actually born in LA not far from Dodger stadium some 60yrs ago…hahaha). I love the Pads position players, I mean who can’t enjoy the talent they have on the BO…I sense they just need maybe anothe rseason to really reasize how good and talented they are…they need a Reggie (aka ‘the straw that stirs the drink’) sort of guy. They also need to stop playing like they need to hear it how good they are, until the actually do it on the field the will always questoin if they can beat the other great teams we see these days).
And your Giants actually are more of team I think will be a challenger this season,. Their play last two season looked like a confident bunch of guys who know they can win and are not judging each other but rather pull together as a team. That is the difference I see when comparing the Pads. Even right now I think the Giants are a better ‘team’. Not overall talent wise but their collective drive and clear desire to pick each other up was clearly there the past two seasons.
I love the idea of having 3 potentially amazing teams on the division for decades to come. I love watching the competition. Reminds me of the old days with the Reds, Cards, Dodgers pushing each other. In general I think we fans are in for a very fun and finally competitive season with a number of teams that can beat each other on any given day….So maybe enjoy that rather than try to knock the better team, respect the talent and realize they each need to push to higher levels to win.
I think we all knew once no news came out by noon that he was never going to the Mets. On a sad note: this probably means no more Turner which is sad but I think it was a great move overall by Friedman
What if Dodgers traded Jansen, $12 million and Rios to Jays for Shun Yamaguchi and a prospect. This should allow LA to bring Turner back
Jays trade grichuk, Roark, money + prospects to colorado for Blackmon.
Mike D – For the 2nd day in a row, Colorado will have to add money and prospects with Blackmon to secure Grichuk and Roark. Blackmon makes more money than both.
55m to 42m and blackmon is the better player, so the Jays would have to send some low level prospects, it makes sense for both teams I think.
Maybe not money.
I just like the idea of another Lefty bat in that lineup.
Springer
Blackmon
Bichette
Hernandez
Mike
Blackmons contract is underwater more then Grichuk and Roark combined ( by a significant amount)
Blackmon is 5 yrs older the Grichuk .
The Jays have no need for a 34 yr old 1War OF making 17.5m per with 3 yrs remaining.
Blackmon really sucks bad defensively neg drs
It’s not the $ for Turner as I believe the Dodger are now over the spending limit by signing Bauer. If Turner wants 2 years plus a team option he will be back but he is not getting 4 years from the Dodgers.
What spending limit? The lux tax which any team can go over so long as they are willing to pay the tax penalties?
Dodgers can afford it. Anything less than triggering the penalties for being $40M+ over the lux tax limit is palatable for high revenue teams. Is it smart to continually pay extra by being over the lux tax?
Maybe, maybe not depends on how much better it makes your team. Winning the WS puts a nice chunk of change in the bank account. Plus, Guggenheim is probably one of the whales rolling in Bitcoin and Ethereum profits now as well.
Being over the luxury tax threshold isn’t even that bad, as long as a team doesn’t do it for multiple consecutive seasons. The real heavy-duty penalties don’t kick in until (I think) 3 straight years of being over the cap. By being under the cap in 2018, they re-set the tax penalties, & considering they were under for each of the last 3 seasons, they may be willing to go another 3 yrs. of being over the tax threshold…
We knew at least a month ago that Turner wasn’t going to get four years from anybody. If any team was offering it, he’d have signed with them already.
On a sadder note for Sox fans but a great note for JBJ, the Mets have the bucks left to overpay for him. I guess it’s not an overpay is a team is willing to make the offer. I hope JBJ gets whatever it is he wants because more and more I realize the class act he’s been in Boston.
Yeah. The Dodgers had to make a move to stay ahead of the Padres on top of their highest payroll in the league.
You salty? Because almost all the Dodgers players are homegrown.
It a cumulative effect. If you have the money to keep your players and occasionally go out and buy another player you dont have to trade away prospects as often. Thus you wind up with more of your own home grown players. I dont blame them and say more power to them but the home grown argument has holes.
“almost all”
Other than the MVP you were gifted that was really the only reason you won.
Yep not like four guys had a higher WS OPS than Betts.
Does “almost all” mean 70%?
Is there some extra trophy for “Home Grown” that we’ve never seen?
I’m confused. Is the #1 goal diversity or winning a championship?
If you look at business, government, law, culture, sports, etc… the first goal is always diversity. Right/wrong, winning/losing, good/bad, don’t matter as much.
It’s just okay if it’s your baseball town who’s benefitting……
I think the goal for some people is to whine nonstop and and try to make everything about race, usually when it’s not relevant to the situation at all.
Just an argument against those who try blame teams like the Dodgers for “buying” championships, when they develop most of their talent from within the organization. Some people simply need obvious things pointed out to them.
Or the NL MVP from the 2019 in Bellinger or the 3 time CY Young award winner in Kershaw or the pitchers like Urias, Gossolin, May, Buehler. The reason the Dodgers sign the Betts and Bauer’s is they get almost 4 million fans a year and have a 2 Billion dollar TV deal with Time Warner so they have plenty of $$$$ to spend on top notch talent.
You mean the Dodgers who signed the FIRST BLACK PLAYER TO PLAY IN MLB? Ever heard of a cat named JACKIE ROBINSON. The Dodgers have alway been at the front of the Diversity movement for decades.
How is my comment salty? Why do the Dodgers “have to make a move” because they Padres did when they already have the highest payroll in baseball and are the defending champs? Sounds like you’re more defensive than anything.
You mean the 4th black player to play in the majors? The first was William White, who played a game and there is controversy around him. But undebatable the first (or second depending on the view of White) was Moses Walker.
There was just a really big gap from when the first 3 guys played and when Jackie finally started playing. The Blue Stockings were ahead of the diversity movement before anyone else.
Dodger all caps-
The Dodgers one season didnt even have a black player in the roster on Jackie Robinson Day. Pittsburgh was cutting edge too. First team go play an entirely black lineup….also won the series that season.
@ empirejim,Is this Jeff Spicoli? There just might a trophy for home grown somewhere.
I don’t think they did but fudge it here we goooo
Musgrove Lol
Musgrove… Lol
They really didn’t, but he is a great luxury
The Dodgers clearly bested you again Arte Moreno. Do the baseball world a favor and trade Trout
Trading Trout is the only options the ANGELS have to compete in the American League. Maybe the Dodgers should offer one of their AAA catchers and three or four minor leaguers to get him away or even offer them Gosolin. We all know if Trout stays with the ANGELS, he will never see the POSTSEASON….
Trade him to the Mets. He’s a Jersey boy.
He’s a Phillies fan. He would die on the inside and never be able to live with himself.
When Dodgers ripped off the land Pulling people From there homes kicking and screaming to build Dodgers Stadium ontop of Chavez Ravine
How quickly you forget once you have two nickels to rub together
For years the city was unsuccessful in attracting new developers to the site still earmarked for “public purposes.” Eventually it was offered to baseball mogul Walter O’Malley, who saw the potential for a new home for his team—the Brooklyn Dodgers. Predatory acquisition tactics ensued, including a tiered buy-out scheme which offered increasingly lower amounts to sellers who stalled, exploiting their fear of losing out on the maximum payment. In reality the prices paid were well below market value
It’s Trout’s fault he is with the Angels. He signed that long term contract knowing damn good and well what kind of garbage owner Artie is and will continue to be. I NO LOGER feel sorry for Mike Trout.
Bro you’re in here making all of us Dodgers fans look bad lol…be happy about Bauer but be humble as well. We are the champs let’s act like it
For years the dodger fans have booed mike trout at dodger Stadium are they jealous or Low class fans?
As someone who has been watching Dodger games for a long time, I can say that I have never once heard Mike Trout booed at Dodger Stadium. You’re looking for your low class fans in the wrong place. Try the mirror.
Oh one of those type fake news
Mike Trout gets booed every time up at dodger Stadium The Covid masks are supposed to go over your mouth not your ears
apparently you have selective hearing
What’s the big deal about booing an opposing player? Is that not allowed anymore? In reality it happens at every stadium. Name calling, etc. is not good but booing an opposing player is not an issue. You’re supposed to do that. Now, I think most Dodger fans have an extreme appreciation for Trout and his talent. He’s also a classy guy and plays hard. Nitpicking much?
Nah, he’s just trolling.
Why would you ever feel sorry for Trout? He’s doing just fine.
They really didn’t need to do anything with their rotation. Bauer was an over-the-top-of-the-top move for their rotation. They still have Dustin May and Tony Gonsolin as well.
Their infield could benefit from some attention, but they’re probably not done yet.
Clearly Friedman didn’t see it your way from the Bauer acquisition. I’ve already posted numerous times why the Dodger rotation could use a Bauer boost. There were more question marks than you think. Don’t listen to these baseball writer hacks saying Dodgers’ rotation was stacked and Bauer was not necessary.
Clearly you know everything since you apparently posted numerous times why the Dodgers could use Bauer.
Let me take a wild guess…he makes them better?
That wasn’t point.
Point being that the young guys you point to are not necessarily going to perform the way you think they are. Things don’t always develop on a straight line. They also would have been on a stricter innings limit. With the shorter season that didn’t come into play in 2020. If the Dodgers didn’t have Bauer, they’d have a talented rotation but with plenty of question marks. Three very young pitchers. One old pitcher who didn’t pitch in 2020, and didn’t pitch so well in 2019. One older pitcher who pitched well in 2020 but on a shortened season and who has a history of back issues. Bauer in my opinion was a top priority. Turner is still in play. If they don’t resign him they will grab another 3B. I don’t see them handing the starting gig to Rios.
Padres will fade. I’m writing clevenger off and I honestly believe Snell will get frustrated by seeing just how better LA. Doubt he’d be able to repeat that great 2020 World Series performance because it’ll be on the back of his mind that his team simply isn’t better
I’m just glad this Bauer drama is over!
Yep, obviously the Padres acquisitions put pressure on the Dodgers. I think they had to make the Bauer deal to keep up. It’s an overpay but it’s essentially a two year deal. When the market didn’t materialize I knew that the Dodgers had a shot. Still somewhat surprised that Friedman agreed to pony up $85mm over 2 years.
LETS GO!!!
Los Angeles native Trevor Bauer said this months ago: “I want to play for the Dodgers.” Because of this, I think that he was always going to go to the Dodgers and that all of his antics leading up to the signing were to create demand.
I picked this one. At least I got one signing right.
Dodgers rotation is miles better than the Padres now.
Dodgers 2021 champs
Buehler > snell
Bauer > darvish
Kershaw > lamet
Price > musgrove
May > morejon/paddack
Easy dubs.
@Tatsu, you’re living in a different reality if you believe that the depth the Padres have at February ‘21 is the same as it was October ‘20.
Also you’re a year off on Bellinger. FA ‘24
Bauer is good, but I don’t think he is worth $40M/yr or $45M/yr. Wow.
Dang it!
-Giants fan
I’m so tired of reading comments about how Bauer is not good and as soon as he signs with the dodgers every one is talking about how good of a move that is
Wow. Hoping 1/35 million….likely means turner is gone as well
Or now that they’ve committed to go over the luxury tax, they won’t care as much.
I too hope its onl;y a 1 yr—- If they exceeding CBT they may as well push it to 249 mill
Do you think they were waiting to see if they could sign bauer before signing turner?
Clearly. Really interested if this is a one year deal. If so, watch out St Louis Cardinals wrt to your shiny new third baseman next year.
Plus if it’s a 1 year deal and the marriage works they can resign him next summer once they have more clarity on seager and kershaw. Hoping kershaw retires a dodger.
I think they can sign both and stay under 249 in the end- It might take selling a prospect for Kelley in the end but if they going this far for 2021 to field a Super-team that shouldnt get in the way- Dodgers have so many good prospects in the teens that its gonna be roster crunch galore in a year or 2 anyway
Or they may just pass on Turner as they fear the length he wants entirely – I do think they will make the effort tho as the last piece
@cap is it possible they move gonsolin or May in a deal for Chapman, or suarez? Also read that they might move price? Someone like angels might be interested if thats the case. Also makes me concerned for seager next summer. Head scratching.
Too much money…would exceed 250 at that point (May and gonzo make beans/and I dont think we would trade May)
Now if they can move Price (while kicking in some) then yes…. but its tough with Price as he hasnt pitched in a while and hes been hesitant to play under Covid
But yes Dodgers have the prospects to do anything – I really dont think Chapman is for Sale but maybe Eugenio…. we sure know the Reds like to give Dodgers a good deal!
I wouldnt be concerned about Seager; theres still enough left for him next year….. Shaw on the other hand could get a little dicey depending on this year…..Id really hate to Lose Kershaw and see this guy struggle with us in 2022……Kinda a BIG rosk here for AF, something he hasnt really done yet……and no MOOKIE was Not a risk
I don’t like this deal the more that comes out. I’m guessing that kershaw and seager are likely gone next year.
I only mention Chapman because he is right handed plays great defense and is 3 years from free agency at an affordable rate. (6 million in arb this year) Would think gonsolin, lux plus a few other toss ins would be enough to get the talks at least started.
Like you said I think price makes sense to keep this year he has more playoff experience over May and gonsolin. Hopefully, he could rebuild some value and be delt next year.
The only silver lining is that kenley, and Kelly are gone next year in addition to kershaw thats 60 million. If kershaw comes back at a lower rate then it’s possible to fit him and seager back in if price is moved. Also Isnt muncy on a bridge deal?
Muncy locked up 21 and 22 and has a 23 option for 13 mill
They will still have enough for Seager easily but this can definitely meddle with Kershaw next year- They are already going to be trying to talk him down and it just dosnt look as good when you gotta outsider pulling 45 mill AAV that year………. Im not happy at all today
I highly doubt Friedman would have signed Bauer without a plan to keep Kershaw and Seager, as well. He likely only signed Bauer knowing Kasten was on board with the acquisition. I really can’t see the Dodgers going after Bauer if they thought it would affect their ability to keep Kershaw and Seager.
*knowing Kasten was on board with the acquisition not preventing them from paying their own homegrown stars.
Chapman???? Are you serous??? We already have one wife beater on the team in Urias we don’t need another one.
@Chief – Sure theres a plan and then theres fast forwarding to next year when you sit down in a room with Clayton –
AF- Hey we Love you but we cant give you 30+AAV anymore, we need a team friendly deal (again)
Kershaw- *Brain thinks- Trevors getting 45 this year**?….. Ok so you were saying what Now Andrew, sorry I drifted off momentarily
@dodger jr Matt Chapman the 3rd baseman of the a’s moron
Not so sure on Kershaw. Most likely keeping Seager but with Boras you never know. Kershaw is probably gone but 2021 will tell us a lot where he’s at and what kind of market we’ll see for him.
Ice down your roll, junior.
For 3 years?????? Yikes don’t like this at all
I think that turner will come around and just sign a 2 year deal with the dodgers. They can afford him as well. Unlike most teams their focus is on winning and they know a higher payroll and winning can be just as profitable as trying to pinch pennies
“Unlike most teams their focus is on winning and they know a higher payroll and winning can be just as profitable as trying to pinch pennies”
Yes, it’s that simple. Playing in LA has nothing to do with it.
Call the Blue Jays and offer up Price and a prospect for a reliever. Open up some cash to re-sign Turner. Maybe the prospect is just Rios and the Jays offer up a Yamaguchi. Something along those lines.
Rather move kelly or kenley than price honestly.
Totally agree Guests – If they buy down Price to a 2/18 for Toronto the prospect would just be in name sake – Good deal for both sides –
Shaving 9 AAV off Price actually only makes Bauers AAV 25 mil for 22 in which should be his last year in Blue – I think teams at least want to see Price make a S/T start….could see him being a late late deal right before the season opens up
Thank God
As a Braves fan, I’m happy it wasn’t the Mets.
As a Mets fan I’m delighted
As a Mets fan I am deeply reileved.
As a fan I deeply relieve on the Mets
Dude Im a Nats fan and I wanted him to go to Mets so Soto could crush him. You didnt want Acuna for him todo the same
Yeah, I want all the rival teams in my division to have elite pitchers too. That’s good for my team.
Machado owned Bauer when they were both in the AL. Should be interesting to watch.
Bauer had a 4.00 ERA in the AL. Everyone owned him.
By your same logic you say bauer performed well in a weak division the same could be said about darvish and musgrove. Funny how that works
But was Bauer using the foreign substance back then? Can Machado hit Bauer if he’s using the substance?
Funny thing is Bauer was not implicated over the Bubba scandal. Verlander, Cole, Kluber, Wainwright, etc. were named. Some say as much as 70% of pitchers use some kind of substance. If so, and properly enforced, everything is relative right?
It’s pretty clear Bauer used a substance last year.
Big surprise
So glad this BS is over. I’m sure the Mets are too.
Dude, it’s free agency. BS? Hardly
I just wish I found Bauer as interesting and engaging as he finds himself. He’s a great pitcher and I’m all for players expressing themselves, he’s just not my cup of tea.
Yeah I agree. He’s kind of irritating. One thing I will say about him though is that he doesn’t seem like he’ll be forced into playing the part of the faithful family man like so many other sleazy athletes. I respect that he’s honest about who he is.
Weekapaug- my concern is that he could be a negative down the road for an organization and embarrass them. I don’t trust his growth. He was livid at the Astros and I think hes started loading up the ball to gain their spin rate…he reminds me Bonds a little…the ego. I dont trust him not to put himself above his team and the game. And I dont think hes worth this contract. Hes just too volatile to me..and it’s not a good crazy.
Why are you on MLB Trade Rumors if you hate trade rumors?
I think he means Bauer’s antics.
Good thing I have you to put words in my mouth so I don’t have to keep writing responses lol.
Calcetines:
IF the Yankees were to package Gleyber Torres, Andujar, and young SP(s) and position player to Colorado, do you think they would be able to get a return of Story, Marquez, Freeland?
I think they may do it and it may very well be worth it IF the Yankees want to win. LAD is going for it again and so are NYM. They will cancel each other out, and they have to content with SD, so only one will remain, but the AL is far from a lock.
Dodgers are a scary good team and their owners are obviously committed to winning.
The rockies wouldn’t do that
Something like
Gleyber
Dominguez
Garcia
Plus a lottery ticket or 2
Thats what it would take for story and marquez
Rob, that’s way overvaluing if you look at trade values. There’s no way they would ask or the Yankees would do that. You’re waaay too high. Which one of them would get Dominguez? Garcia? Maybe, but if Torres is included you say their top pitching prospect AND one of the top prospects in baseball? See: Darvish, Lindor, Arenado, Snell, etc, etc, etc…..
No, Andujar can provide value specifically to Colorado. I’m not a proponent of the Yankees trades nothing-for-all, with Andujar and Frazier in every one. In this case, he could be very useful to them. Remember he’s not a centerpiece to this, like in many proposals, but an ancillary piece.
That’s what it would take for Story alone.
Andujar should never be included in a trade proposal ever again. He has, at best, no trade value, and at worst, negative value. Many people think he has straight up negative value, and I can’t entirely disagree. He is a sell low, low, low at this point, and needs to prove himself before he means anything in the market. Also, as a terrible 3B, Andujar offers nothing to the Rockies if they are dealing Story, Marquez and Freeland. Frankly, the Rockies don’t take this deal.
It is time to put the Andujar trade rumors to bed. Not because he won’t be traded, but because he’s just not worth much.
Exactly, he’s a DH at best.
I wouldn’t count on that. If he has a good half-year with the bat, don’t be surprised if he’s a side piece in a deal. Remember, I never said, as many do posit, that he’s a centerpiece.
I think they should confer with the Rockies, I just don’t think they will.
And why wouldn’t the Rockies do that? Look at what they’ve done with their team! Is any of that truly predictable? No. It’s worth a shot. They need / want young controllable talent; Freeland struggled, Marquez’ time there is closing and Story’s value is gone with the wind in six months.
@yankeeclipper Yes, if Andujar plays better he will be worth more. What a take.
I’m not sure but I also would assume they’d be looking for guys with a lot of control, and Andujar would be an afterthought in any deal.
But it goes without saying that the Rockies should totally blow everything up ASAP. Both the NL and their division have really good teams, and thinking you could beat any or all of them right now and win the pennant is insane.
How are the Mutts going for it?
They almost got Bauer (even though I’m not convinced he’s going to be that good), but they traded for Lindor and Carrasco, signed McCann, and are actively filling areas of need with performers. I didn’t say they would make it, just that they’re clearly going for it.
Mo 99 & Eatdust: Friendly bet about Andujar – I say he gets traded if/when his bat comes around, and it won’t be at a negative value. If I’m wrong, I’ll eat a steak and have a drink, right here while I type. Cashman is too clever to Make the same mistake twice with him.
I’ve watched his winter ball and his swing looks better, he’s getting reps in, and with a full season, he may be wearing Rocky Mountain (or other) pinstripes.
I don’t mind that “punishment.” I hear by declare that if anyone does anything…or doesn’t…I’ll eat a steak and have a drink, right here while I type.. then I’ll do it again. I can’t be stopped!
Yankee Clipper
That bet is entirely different from your original trade proposal. You did not say “after” Andujar proved himself. I said that. I said he had to prove himself to be a worthwhile trade candidate. So I’m not going to bet against myself.
Andujar’s biggest issue is that he cannot play defense, so why would an NL team trade for him in a year with no DH? If his bat comes around, they might be able to trade him to a team like DET who needs a good young DH but that’s about it. No NL team is going to take him without a DH spot available and without him proving that he wasn’t a one year wonder with the bat too. His trade value today is worse than Benentendi’s.
I’m shocked, but to be honest it doesn’t scare me as a Giants fan.
You guys are basically a AAA team compared to the Dodgers.
Sorry to inform you that pretty much all of baseball is at this point.
SFG are always a AAA team compared to the LAD but curiously, we got THREE rings last decade.
Exactly
2014 was a long time ago at this point. No one cares.
Pelosi rigged it
You know what else was a long time ago? The last time the Dodgers won a WS without an asterisk
SFG also only made the playoffs three times last decade. Just goes to show that October is the only thing that matters, and that the 2020 ring does not deserve an asterisk
Actually four, but who was more successful? LA or SF? lol
Math…wrong…Nl had a DH, only could play your own division, didn’t have to go through 162 games of exhaustion and injuries. Bellinger would have been hurt around the 75 game mark with his shoulder or at least some point in the season. A lot could’ve happened. Teams get hot like the Nationals did towards the end of a season and won it all. You’re taking away from all past champions who fought 162 games to win out and giving an equal sign to a shortened season. Nope.
Padres458…lol, that’s a good statement. I would hate to be reminded of the Padres 2010 till 2020 years! Haha
Balk-All the teams had a shortened season, and everyone had the same rules so that argument doesn’t really hold water. Any team could’ve been hit by injuries at any time. Further, the expanded playoffs were more dangerous than they ever were- the Dodgers almost lost in the NLCS, remember?
Imagine football did the thing and only played half a season of just division games. You had the bills playing the dolphins, jets, patriots, giants, redskins, cowbows, and eagles. They would have moonwalked to the playoffs and probably be able to rest people pretty regularly. Where you had teams like in the south central and west with multiple good teams grinding out wins.
And Yes i said the bills after all these years are the beasts of the east. One day the jets will be relevant again.
Thefamousking…it doesn’t matter what all the other teams did. The rules were changed bud…period…and I don’t care if the whole season was the playoffs…it’s still not a 162 game season and will go down in the history books as a shortened season just like next years strike that’s probably gonna happen. Stop acting like it’s going to be in the books as a regular season, it’s not. Period
Balk- All I said about other teams was any of them could’ve been hit by injuries per your comment that the Dodgers would’ve been hit by injuries. I’m not saying it was a regular season, but you saying that it deserves an asterisk to me implies that the accomplishment is less valid than it is for other teams because of the shortened season. If that’s what you think, then I respectfully disagree because everyone had the same opportunities- teams can get hot at any time and injuries can happen at any time. The playoffs were also considerably more intense; the accomlishment and trophy are valid- moreso than the 2017/18 championships where cheating was involved.
Dude, you don’t know what you’re talking about…
1. Short schedule should’ve hurt the Dodgers more than any other team, They’re built for a long season; their greatest strength is their depth, hence the 8 straight Division titles. A short season hurts the Dodgers b/c any bump in the road, any short losing streak, or any hot streak by another team, like SD, puts the division title at risk. If this team played 162 games, they would’ve finished the best record in MLB…again.
2. The playoffs were tougher than any playoffs in the history of MLB. No other champion ever had to go thru a 1st rd best of 3… Baseball is a sport where any pitcher on any given night can get hot & be tough to beat. Alec Mills, mediocre journeyman threw a no-hitter last year. A long series balances the odds in favor of the better team (Dodgers), whereas short series makes things more of a toss up, which again hurts the better team.
3. The Dodgers did not have home field advantage in any series, other than the Wild Card series. True, the opposing team didn’t get to play at home either, but since the Dodgers had the best record in baseball, the team that was hurt the most by having to play on a neutral site was LA.
4. Universal DH helped the Rays in the World Series, not the Dodgers. In most WS, the AL teams have to adjust to playing w/o a DH, which gives the NL team an advantage in NL home games. AL teams either have to sit their DH, who likely was 1 of their middle-of-the-order hitters, or force that DH to play the field, which the DH may not have done much of in the season. It also forces the AL manager to manage his bench & bullpen in a way that he has not for most of the season. Yes, the NL team gets to use the DH, which is easier, but the new rules were implemented late into the off season, so NL teams were not necessarily constructed to have full-time DHs. The advantage clearly goes to the AL team.
Bahahaha, adamsessler! I know exactly what I’m talking about. You can put all the spin you want on it, and try to make yourself feel better about last year that’s your right, but facts don’t change. It wasn’t a normal season! They only played against their own division. Weak one at that! Why do you think the Padres won so many games? They played their own weak division. As far as DH, your nuts dude, you take out a pitcher and insert a batter it will always help any team. It was nothing but a bigger benefit for NL teams. Asterisk will always be by 2020! Period. Just like when they striked in the 90s, it went in the book as a half season.
@Balk Bellinger shoulder? He played through that injury before. He’s only played 156 games, 162 games and 132 games (called up for game #21) the last three years. Desperation. Tell me about the Giants playing an extra three games series in the playoffs where it could be a complete crapshoot. Even though it was a shortened season the Dodgers dominated the entire season. They only lost 1 series the entire season.
@Balk It’s one thing to be clueless but another thing to be clueless and loud.
Bills are the Beasts of the East until DeShaun gets traded to Miami.
To all of you that @me about this and that. Bottom line is, the Dodgers will have an asterisk next to their title. Why? Because it was 2020, a shortened season. Ole mlbdodgerfan15 thinks I say these things because I’m desperate and clueless…wrong, am I so clueless that the history books will show they won a title only playing 60 games? Yes. Will the history books reflect the Astros cheated? Yes. Is that clueless? No. As a Giants fan for 40 years I’ve loved and played ball. One of my favorite players is Kershaw. Class act. Your entitled to your own words but not your own facts. Until the Dodgers win 162 game season and win the title, people will be critical of this past year. Facts
Nothing should scare Giants fans, they don’t have chance in hell.
To be honest…I wouldn’t give Bauer big money, and the Dodgers should have many more rings these past ten years, and the only thing they have to show for it is a shortened season championship where a DH was in the NL and you could basically only play your own division.. Let’s see how they fair. They will be back. If they can win then it quiets all critics about the short season.
They played their own division in the playoffs?
Does it matter who they played? What matters is when you look back in the history books it’s going to say “during a major pandemic, the season was shortened and the Dodgers won a championship, getting to their championship ring by playing their own division, having a NL DH, with zero fans and playing in an extended playoffs with teams below .500 that they should’ve easily beat, except for the Braves.” That’s what it’s going to say.
Actually, it won’t say any of that in the “history books,” as you put it.
“Hey, Pa….what’s that over there on the shelf?”
“”Them’s history books, boy. Some say maybe filled with stories from long times ago. I wouldn’t know on account of I ain’t much fer book-learnin.”
Chief one hand….actually it’s exactly what it will say. However you choose to get your history lesson, (back of a baseball card, almanac etc..) it will say 60 game season. You actually had me busting up though. Good stuff
It really doesn’t scare anyone. From 2013-2019 Bauer had a 3.99 ERA.
12 starts in 2020 against inferior NL and AL Central competition says doesn’t say much about him as a starter.
@pads fan funny how fast you and other padres fan come here to talk smack, have we hurt you that bad over the years? Gonna be funny when you guys miss the playoffs next year
Lol, another winner from Bob Nightengale. 3/110?
I thought the same thing. Dude is cursed anything he says it’s the opposite
And Nightengale strikes out swinging, Bauer’s first K as a Dodger.
It’s because he seems to guess. Or he doesn’t bother to validate anything in the name of expediency. Either way, he’s wrong too consistently for it to be bad luck.
Wow, 3 years @ 102M? They matched the Mets and upped it!
Yea I’ll give the dodgers credit where it’s due. Not afraid to keep spending unlike some teams with huge billion dollar evaluations.
Nightengale isn’t cursed, he’s lazy. He doesn’t spend any time following up leads to see if they are accurate before he posts them, he’s concerned with being first not with being right.
Anything Bob Nightengale says will happen, you can assume that the opposite will happen.
Back to Back confirmed.
Nothing is ever confirmed, but if they win again, at least it will be a real win and not a 60 gamer
Exactly
Your team played in a 60 game season as well, and lost……..
Everyone but one loses kid, not the point he was making. Let’s see if the Dodgers can quiet the critics by going through the fatigued 162 game season, with no Dh in NL and not only playing against your own division
@Balk, the Dodgers have proven over and over again that the 162 isn’t the problem, October is. In October 2020 they: played an extra 3-game round that no champion has ever had to play, played a 7-game championship series on 7 consecutive days, played against both of the other top 3 teams in the NL (which no top seed has ever had to do), and won the World Series on a neutral site. Anyone claiming asterisk is an obvious hater.
Haha, math….I love baseball…don’t hate any team. I am a Giants fan but love to watch Kershaw pitch. One of my favorite players. I don’t care what type of spin you put on it. It was not a normal season. Nationals wouldn’t of been champions if it weren’t for 162 games. On top playoffs weren’t a normal playoffs. Nothing was normal. They will go down in the history books for winning a shortened season. It’s facts. It’s an asterisk
well they have 8 straight division titles, seven coming without Betts and Bauer, so something tells me they can make it through a 162-game season.
Didn’t the Dodgers go to 2 WS during a 162 game season recently? Asking for a friend……..
Math….let them quiet the critics by winning out a full season. That’s all they have to do. I believe they can. I believe they should’ve won several times, but baseball through the course of a season is tough. Kershaw had terrible numbers in the post. A lot of Dodgers tanked in the post season throughout the years, which is why people are critical of them winning a shortened season. That’s all
Yes they did
But they haven’t won 162 game championship vtadave…which is our point
Arthur…tell your friend they lost both times. Which is why people are saying, let’s see them actually win a 162 game season. Like every 162 game champion has done.
I do agree. And it is funny the Dodgers have both of the fake titles (81 & 20).
They’re fake because you don’t like the Dodgers.
They’re fake because facts
Do you consider the WS that the Astro’s won “fake”?
No, they’re fake because feelings.
It was only “fake” for the Astros, their cheating directly skewed the results of the postseason. Had the Astros been beaten in the first round, it wouldn’t have been anywhere near as big of a deal.
Where he’s wanted to sign all along.
But but but Cohen and the Mets and New York and and and…..
Mets fans be like @#$& $%=/
And Angels fans be like …….why not us???? Where you at Moreno????? Where you at Minasian???? Can Fowler out of the bullpen instead of right field??
Gozurman1, I am pretty sure that Bauer would not have accepted the $8mil the Angels have under the Luxury Tax threshold. Angel fans crack me up. They whine incessantly about dead money contracts (Pujols, Upton) yet want Moreno to throw good money after bad by incurring a Luxury Tax.
Can you support that, I don’t believe the Angels are that close to the threshold.
Not that I expected Moreno to go for Bauer, but I believe they have more than 8 million.
I believe they have 20 million.
spotrac.com/mlb/tax/
You probably didn’t know that they add “Player Benefits” to the payroll.
Go to Cotts.
Between AAV and how much other teams are paying for their players, they have 20 million.
Player benefits sand minor leaguers usually add an extra 18 mill avg to a team –
I use spotrac not Cots but most people just look at the teams AAV total and dont add that 18 mill
@ hossmandu—I know that. That is why they have not been active in the pitching market for the name guys. Most average fans never think of the business end and only want to complain that their team is not willing to spend or not smart enough to be going after certain players. Happens in every city with every sport. Fun to watch the hysteria reign!
Wrong again Halo11Fan
@Goz – They have tried though. I’ve listed before all the guys they’ve tried to get and they just miss. Guys want to play in certain areas, they get barely outbid with an extra year, or other teams simply overpay. Just because they want somebody doesn’t mean they can wave a magic wand and viola the guys sign.
Angels need to focus all their attention on Odorizzi at this point. Paxton would be OK, but the last thing they need is another SP with a wicked injury history.
They Angels are not adding another Starter. They went with the two no ceiling low floor guys in Cobb and Quintana.
Dodger fans be like F$%$#@
I’m a Mets fan and couldn’t be happier.
Why? Cause you didn’t get better?
I think it’s maybe because we didn’t pay 40 mil for a #2-4 pitcher.
A pitcher who had his best season last year in 8 games against below .500 teams. 2-pit, 2-det 1-kc and 3 mil. 3 against teams above .500 and his team only won once.
Potential PR headache,
Potential down the stretch distraction for an opt out and clubhouse distraction.
Suspected spin rate /pine tar drama.
I mean really. the NY media only wanted him for the sheer drama and spectacle of it.
He’s good but it would have been and huge over pay and risk for the Mets in NY..
I for one am relieved he’s not coming to the Mets.
Hantoneenee
On no staff is Bauer a #4. Not even the Dodgers. #3 at worst. On the Dodgers I would say a #2 but I wouldn’t argue hard against placing him #3.
@MikeD that’s just stupid. Do better if you want me to talk to you.
Mo, where do you place a pitcher with a 3.90 ERA? Certainly not opening day starter. He is not starting in front of Kershaw or Buehler. He is a #3 or #4 starter on the Dodgers.
@ MoRivera 1999
At best on the Mets he’s #2. at worst on the Mets he’s #4. That’s what I meant.. Carrasco has done it longer and more consistently than Bauer and without drama.
If Stroman out pitches Bauer that would be worst possible scenario.
I’m just happy he’s not coming to NY at those $’s. He got his money and good for him but I think it’s better for the Mets long term.
If people want to believe he’s the real deal that’s fine. He’s got to produce to make the price tag seem like a good deal. He’s better off with the Dodgers. If he struggles from the get go it won’t be as big of a deal if he’d struggled out of the gate with the Mets.
Pads Fans
Did I suggest Bauer would be opening day starter on the Dodgers? No, I did not. So what the heck are you saying. I said he would be 2 or 3. Then you said he would be 3 (or 4), as if saying he would be 3 is something different from what I said. It isn’t. Where we differ is on #4. I don’t believe he’s there #4. Not at all. And THAT is what I said to begin with. I never said he would be there #1.
If you say that having bauer for the next 3 seasons doesn’t make your team better, yeah I agree it’s stupid.
Bauer’s numbers Las 3 seasons
461 innings
144 era+
11k/9
Better numbers than Kershaw and way more innings than both Kershaw and buehler.
Did someone say that? Nope! This is why I said do better.
PitcherMeRolling: Because you’re smart.
@pitchermerolling. Great, great screen name!
Thanks
Mets fans be like “Thank God” they didn’t sign him to a 3/110….use that money to sign Conforto & Lindor. Besides it’s only a 1 year deal for Bauer. He’ll be back on the market next year.
He’s not going back next yr with $45mill for 2022.. he’ll be back on market in 2023
@BAT1126: Don’t forget Thor and Stroman. Next offseason is going to take a massive outlay of money just to keep this team together. Adding a wildly inconsistent pitcher like Bauer for $40 million would have been absurdly short-sighted.
As a Mets fan, I am ecstatic that they did not sign him.
Mets fans be like “Thank God” they didn’t sign him to a 3yr/$110….use that money to sign Conforto & Lindor. Besides it’s only a 1 year deal for Bauer. He’ll be back on the market next year.
I’m a Mets guy, and I’m like ‘Phew !’ Gotta get busy signing Lindor and Conforto, not throw 40 mil at a guy who can walk after next year, if he feels like it.
Mets fans be like “WHEW”!!! Dodged a huge bullet there.
Heyman finally got his take
Lol Mets?
HAHA! Cue the ” I didn’t want him anyway” from Mets fans…..
Some of us actually didn’t want him.
The Woke crowd was unhappy with him
I’m a Dodger fan and I’m not sure I want him. Worried about his “antics”.
I didn’t want him, especially for that price. We still need a few last-minute pieces, cash for trade acquisitions and money to offer extensions next year w/o going over the CBT. Would rather look for another late-inning arm and perhaps a CF, maybe a cheap mid-rotation arm too.
Quite a few of us didn’t and still don’t.
I sure didn’t want him at $40 mil a year, he is not worth that sum
Read the Mets blogs. Almost none of them wanted him.
To be fair, a pretty high number of Mets fans were complaining about signing this guy before this was announced. I really don’t believe this will be an upgrade for the Dodgers, but we’ll see.
Most of us wanted springer way more than bauer. Losing springer hurt, I can’t lie about that, but bauer isn’t worth 45 million a year.
Especially with JBJ wanting 4-5 years. I would’ve been perfectly fine with him in lieu of Springer for the next 2 years, maybe 3 with a team or vesting option.
Lolmets
60M/1yr?
Now they are going to really be the favorite.
Lol
F@ck
Damn
LMAO BOB NIGHTENGALE SCREWED THE METS!!!
Anyways, great move for the dodgers and Bauer. Hope he succeeds in LA.
I think Mets will be OK without him, though it’d would’ve been a good get.
This is Great
As a Padre fan I’m all for this. A pitcher on the wrong side of 30 with a 3.90 ERA, I hope they broke the bank
I’m sure you are lol. Darvish is younger right? Jeez
Darvish doesn’t cost 40M a year
1 year deal
3 year deal. 40/45/30
Bauer’s really good, but look up Machado’s career numbers against him. I’m not worried about this signing.
Padres are overrated, just look at machado career numbers versus the shortened 2020 season. Traded for snell who can’t go more than 4.7 innings a game, darvish who played in same division as bauer and benefited and lamet whos likely gonna need Tommy John 2.0. We aren’t scared at all! Sham diego
If you’re referring to triple slash line plus OPS and OPS+, here you go: 2020: .304/.370/.580 with a .950 OPS and a 158 OPS+. Career: .280/.337/.488 with a .825 OPS and a 121 OPS+.
Sounds like someone is worried about the Padres rotation. Literally the only Dodger pitchers that worry me are Urias and May.
Haha ok what about Darvish?
MLB still waiting for you guys to do something on the playoffs. Might get clapped by the Dodgers again if you’re lucky.
Mets DODGED a bullet
Can’t help but feel the same way. All I kept thinking was that in September if the Mets were in a stretch run, all we’d hear is “is Bauer opting out”. All the freaking time. The way this guy handles his business it’d be a daily thing that would get old quick.
So yeah, my gut says we dodged a bullet as well.
In the end, the Mets were in a no-win situation. They’d be LOL’ed for spending too much for Bauer, or they’d be LOL’ed for once again being left at the alter. The Mets want to be viewed as the Dodgers or the Yankees as a preferred destination, but perceptions take a while to change.
As a Mets fan I would rather they take the money and extend Lindor and try to lock up some of their current players like Conforto, etc..
And if the rotation needs help, wait out one of the mid-rotation arms for a better deal. We have the top talent, just need solid depth.
Or spend next year on a much better, much more proven FA SP!
For the money Bauer commanded, Mets could extend Lindor, Conforto AND sign Odorizzi. And probably get some CF help (Marisnick, Pillar, Almora?) as well.
Odorizzi had a better ERA from 2013-2019 than Bauer did.
Those are the only full seasons that Bauer has played in, which is why I am using those numbers.
They are both 30 years old.
You’ve summed it up perfectly
Mets fans be like “We never wanted him.”
not sure if im happy or not
I think it’s a bad contract, but the Mets and Dodgers could afford it without any serious issue. Dude would have improved the Mets rotation no doubt, so I’m happy he’s out of division. That being said Mets are going to target some of the guys the Phillies were looking at now.
Listen, Darkside, you can’t think of this in baseball terms you have to think about it like a WWE storyline. All Bauer and his agent Rachel Luba wanted more than anything was to have Bauer himself break the news on his youtube.
Then enters Bob. Out of all baseball writers he is near the top when it comes to the need to be first to break news. He is also like Mush in A Bronx Tale where every bet he makes loses. This brings in Heyman to the story who becomes the first person to announce the decision which screws over Bob, Trevor, and Rachel. I love it.
I always wondered if Bauer and co. were doing this for the “likes”
Well you know I didn’t.
Bob struck again. You can’t convince me that Bauer ended up signing in LA for any other reason than Bob said he signed with the Mets.
How did that song about Nightengale go again? “Voodoo school dropout…no graduation day for you…”
Wow, thought Mets for sure. But, makes complete sense with his home being in the area. Took less than what the Mets offered?
Lol at bob nightengale royally pissing off mets fans.
He literally tried to guess at the timing hoping to get credit. He’s a joke.
Yes 99, and it’s not the first time. Someone (maybe a friend) should sit him down and explain the damage to his career this does. And, why does anyone report on what he says?! He’s now become his source(s) – unreliable at best.
We don’t know the details yet. Would anyone be shocked if Bauer had instigated some hijinks for the sake of drama?
Yes!
SCREW OFF! AARRRRGGGHHHH!!!!!!!!!!
Has this been confirmed? What makes this “Dodgers sign Bauer” report any more real than the Mets one?
The link to Bauer on youtube sadly ;(
IT WAS BY ANYONE OTHER THAN B NIGHTENGALE
But mainly because Bauer and his agent confirmed it, which tends to help.
I wonder if Bauer can throw one over the LF bleachers at Chavez Ravine?
wow go figure
Hey @Cey Hey… u mad bro?
Not happy. I like every single player on the team. This guy will take some getting used to. No joke, baseball is the only sport I still follow and I have considered dropping sports entirely. The tough part is that I am planning a Dodgers/baseball memoir. Baseball has always been there for me; just not sure that it needs to be. I’ll give this some time to kick in.
For the record, I have NEVER watched the Super Bowl and would be hard-pressed to name six active NFL players (never been a football fan). I was a massive hockey fan until 1989 but can now name just one active player (assuming Sidney Crosby is still active).
Give him a chance Cey Hey. He will grow on you. Bauer has good intentions in what he does; his goal is to interact with the fans and introduce a young generation into the game. His instructional videos have actually taught me some valuable techniques that I use when pitching. He isn’t this pig that people have made him out to be. He’s essentially a better version of Chris Paddack. Energetic, engaging, and really really good.
Francisco Lindor said he was a really good teammate, so I assume that’s something, coming from those who know him most intimately (don’t take that out of context, it is meant in its purest sense)
Rangers29, I’ve been wondering for a few days if the recent Callaway stuff might be a reason for Bauer not liking him. Btw, despite being “old,” I want to see baseball make changes that attract new fans. I’m one of those people who love the free runner in extra innings. I thought I would hate it but it adds instant excitement. If I can get behind that, then I owe it to myself to pay better attention to the inner workings of Trevor Bauer’s mind. Plus, I trust Andrew Friedman with the keys to the Dodgers’ car.
I’d like you to watch some of Bauer’s “Bauer Bytes” series on Youtube, Cey Hey. Here’s a link to one: youtube.com/watch?v=LRwZ3nkVnY0
They are these little dinner interviews he does with ex-major leaguers or people from around the game. Cool series, and a very interesting one if you want to hear some of the cool stories from the annals of baseball.
He also did a series on his other Youtube channel called Tips with Trev, and they are just these informal videos about pitching which I loved. Here’s that link: youtube.com/watch?v=DMbuo9b6ZIo&list=PLIAmwQK…
I think you will begin to like him after a while, but he does some truly great stuff.
Except when he decides to throw a temper tantrum mid game. Or screw around before a big playoff game and slice up his pitching hand. Or bully a young woman so much she drops her Twitter handle.
He only has good intentions when it suits him, he’s the classic example of a selfish player. Which doesn’t necessarily have to be a horrible thing, but pretending like he’s a good person isn’t very accurate.
So cyber bullying and stalking a girl for a full weekend on twitter was good intentions huh. You need a better role model son.
Dude, c’mon, @cey hey.
I’m not buying it. You’re really that irate over some tweety stuff, or whatever?
You’ll be cheering for the Dodgers all year & next year, too. I’ve watched this same “threat” made by Yankee fans in re Aroldis Chapman. “I’m tempted to not watch the Yankees anymore blahfeckingblahblahblah”.
Yet they continue to watch & root for them. Be the same thing with you.
Bet.
Even if you don’t like him the guy knows how to market himself.
His ERA+ puts him in the top 10 best pitchers in the last 3 years. Even if you don’t have the “best” starting pitching staff you definitely have the deepest.
good riddance this guys a head case.
I thought the Dodgers wanted to improve their rotation?
They did! He’s not the ace on a Dodgers rotation. He’ll probably be the 3rd/4th starter in the rotation. 3/4 of the league, he’d be there #1
How may rotations have a guy with a career 3.90 ERA as their #1?
I’m so bummed the Pads had the World Series wrapped up and now we are also rans, again, again, again, again, again, again, again, again, again, again, again, again, again, again, again, again, again, again, again, again, again, again, again, again, again, ad nauseum…all we have left are reruns of Ted Burgundy now……boo who….
I so didn’t want him to go to the Dodgers, dang it
Nightengale wrong for the millionth time
Does his fall to earth come in ‘21 or ‘22? Solid pitcher, but don’t expect another Cy Young season. Still, a very dangerous rotation just got deeper.
We should take bets on when the first feelings of regret begin.
Depends on how MLB addresses the pine tar/rosin scandal. If it’s anything like the Astros, he won’t ever fall back to earth because no one will get any consequences.
Im happy the Mets didnt get him. One ok year because of a shortened season. Im more upset by losing Springer!
As a mets fan, let me just say Thank God.
$40 million for one year of a human scumbag with career #3 starter numbers ain’t interesting.
Thank you! One of the few Mets fans that get it.
Sucks for Mets fans
Not going to lie. Would have liked him. But how loud do you think Mets fans will boo when we see him.
Good to hear from you. I was worried that you had jumped off the Queensboro Bridge, when you read the news of Bauer signing with LA.
Lol
hopefully paves the way for the brewers to sign Turner. Maybe the dodgers budget wont allow them to resign turner
Pretty sure Dodgers took Turner into consideration, He will be back.
Dodgers now have $240 million payroll for CBT purposes in 2021.
I hope the Phillies take a flyer on Julio Tehran. I forget if he’s been signed or not.
Please sign him, though Bryce will won’t you to not sign him so he can face him. Bryce has always destroyed Teheran.
True, but if he signs with an AL West team…
Rich get richer … at least in terms of talent
AJ Preller and Sandy Alderson just simultaneously soiled themselves. Cleanup in aisles 2 and 3!!!!
All those great salaries some of these athletes make! Wow!
1 year at $42,069,696.96 probably.
Id say 36 mill, 420 thousand and 69 cents is probably a better guess on 1 year but id hope we wouldnt par-take in anything that silly as a LAD fan
But 1 yr yea; I think he wants to beat 36 flat even its it 36,000,001
After California taxes….12 million per year!
and NY will be better?
Instead of the Mets signing JBJ would like to see a trade for a CF like Cain ? What would it take to get Cain & Hader.
1 yr/$50 million
Gotta credit Bauer too. Great vids: youtube.com/watch?v=KT7nUBwzOBM&feature=youtu…
Wonder how fast he threw it together or if he’s known for a bit. Maybe he gave the Mets a chance to match or raise and when they said no and “gave a deadline” he released his video.
Look at the meta data. He made the video yesterday.
That’s one way to meet the Mets’ deadline.
Good for Bauer. As a Reds fan it was fun watching him last year. I’ll remain a big fan, mostly because he doesn’t take BS and he calls it when he sees it. I wish many would do the same.
The Dodgers are the new EVIL EMPIRE. Especially now that the Yankees continue to wave the white flag and care more about the luxury tax and a budget.
Thank god the Mets didn’t sign him. He’s overhyped
To a certain degree, he is, because he’s only had 2 great seasons, one of which was in a full season, yet some people are acting as if he’s a perennial all star.
A chump going to the chumps.
Think you meant Champs……
Dutchy get his little feelings hurt. Huh?
Wow. This really surprises me.
Trevor afraid of NY -can’t wait for that trip to Citifield this summer.
Or he just knows that L.A. is a better place to live and the Dodgers are a better team and organization than the Mets.
Better team?
MetsFan are you an idiot? The Met’s have literally 3 good healthy starters. Peterson’s underlying metrics FIP/xFIP, K/9, BB/9 are all borderline starter material at best. If he is the 4th best starter on your team then you are going to be lucky to contend for a wildcard. I see you on here making stupid comments constantly. The Dodgers have literally 10 starters who would crack the Met’s rotation. Any serious fan knows that contenders can never have too much pitching, and the Mets as it stands now do not have even close to enough. Snydergaard coming back would help things, but that will be mid-season at best and he is a huge question mark at this point.
Over the last four years, they have gone 345-202. That’s a .631 W/L percentage, which equates to 102-60 for a full season. They AVERAGE 102 wins per season. They have also been to three World Series and won a championship. Yet for all this success, they are still a relatively young team. Talented young players tend to improve. Yet the front office continues to make moves designed to make the team better. On paper, the 2021 team figures to be the best of the Friedman/Roberts era. They have led the league in runs scored two straight years, ERA four straight years, and play outstanding defense.
Go ahead. Make your case for the Mets being better.
how can you say “better place to live” like its a fact? that’s 100% opinion
I grew up in New England and spent 20 years in Philly. I hate being rained and snowed on 2/3 of the year. I’d much rather have blue skies and sunshine 2/3 of the year, which I now have. What I personally hate is cloud cover from horizon to horizon, and the gray atmosphere it creates, which is a major feature of New England and the Mid-Atlantic states. A dry climate instead of a humid climate is also a major plus. I don’t have to pay extra for sun and aridity where I am, but I would pay extra for it if my career had taken me there. Climate is absolutely a major factor in having a better lifestyle. I say that from personal experience.
MoRivera 1999, I was born in Los Angeles but have spent most of my life on the East Coast. I now live just outside of Philly. While I would rather be in L.A., my wife is from here so that’s that. Thankfully, a big part of my lifestyle is MLB.TV…and summer flights to L.A.
Aside from the weather, it doesn’t hurt that the Dodgers are a well-run franchise. It was a slam dunk for Betts to sign an extension before free agency. A player who wants to win playing for the best-run franchise in fabulous weather. Give the Dodgers credit for running their team in a way that doesn’t cancel out the sunshine. If only the Angels could figure that out.
Opinions are based on facts. Middle schoolers learn that when they begin debating. People might weigh certain facts differently, but you still need facts to form an opinion. Otherwise, you are just spewing nonsense.
He would be there weather wise the best time of the year and FL in the winter.
And just like that, every padres move made this winter has been officially negated! Dodgers are the team to beat in 2021.
Wouldn’t be surprised if it’s 1 year at $40mil
“All aboard, Ahahahahahaha
Crazy, but that’s how it goes!”
If Turner’s gone, I’d like to the see the Cards pay him to play 2nd and let Edman be the super-utility guy again.
smart move. Better off with the dodgers than the overrated mets
Scrub
Good. The Mets have bigger needs than SP and dealing with Bauer’s crap is tiresome.
Dodgers are now the team to beat. Kershaw Buehler and Bauer. One two three man punch!!
Great signing for the mets
Bauer is not overhyped or overrated. The Dodgers just got one of the best pitchers in the game. They’re the WS favorites. Good on Bauer.
I hope the Dodgers are prepared for him giving up 4 runs a game.
He’s a good pitcher but he is overhyped. A career 3.9 era that is only under 4 because he pitched against the weak nl central and had a total of 12 starts last year, but got rocked when he first came to the reds. We both know he’s not dominating to that degree pitching in the east or west. To his credit at least he joined the dodgers and won’t have to face that lineup. Now he might actually win more than 12 games in a season since he’s on a championship caliber team.
He’s good but he is worth nowhere near this type of deal. He should’ve got something like 3/75 or something along those lines. 25mil a year is a little too high for me, but give his agent a ton of credit, she got him paid.
I get that you like his teaching, and the way he breaks down the pitching side of the game. I like it too, but when it comes to the business side of baseball, he’s waaaaay overpaid based on his resume. And last years sample is based off of only 12-13 starts and not a full season or possibly 30 starts to go by dating back to 19’?
3.90 ERA for his career. 3.99 ERA in full seasons. Yeah, he is overrated. Dodgers were the WS favorites before Bauer.
Hummmm, rumors were off this time…I am glad he’s not in NY because I thought that would push them ahead of the Braves and make life miserable for the Phillies..head case and all, I would have loved to see him in Philly…NLE is still a tough division..gonna be a fun year if MLB ever gets it’s crap together..
Where does Nightengale get his information?
On the bright Justin Turner is Bluejays Third baseman for next 2 years!!
You spelled Brewers wrong.
Bauer can’t be an Ace. Makes sense to join the team with the highest payroll already with 2 starters that are arguably better than him.
Why do you think he can’t be an ace?
His career stats. 3.90 ERA. 3.99 ERA in full seasons.
Played 2020 against inferior competition in the NL and AL Central and only won 1 game against teams with a record over .500.
Not Ace numbers,
I hope he busts
I’m sure this will be worse than the Josh Hamilton contract. You have an overrated pitcher on a team with TOO MUCH pitching in a city where there is lots of trouble… that gives you a recipe for disaster.
LOL…The Josh Hamilton deal was 5 years/$125 million 9 years ago, so this is nothing like that albatross of a contract .
That’s a pretty rich comment from a fan of the team who bought out all 10 years of Albert Pujols’ decline phase for $240 million!
3 years $100+ million is a bigger albatross.
I called it. Dodgers make too much sense. Best team in baseball, going home no rough fans and media
Yankees use to be the best team money can buy. No longer it LA
The Dodgers haven’t built their team through free agency. They sign and develop players and then pay them what they’re worth. This enables them to add players like Betts and Bauer to an already excellent team. By contrast, the Angels from the same market have tried to buy championships and failed miserably.
That is funny. So Betts, Price, Bauer, Muncy, Pollock, Turner, Taylor, Barnes, Kelly, Treinen, Knebel, Kahnle, Alexander, Floro, Federowicz, Kolarek, Toles, Graterol were all developed by the Dodgers?? That is 17 guys expected to make the Dodgers active roster (25 man) that were not developed by the Dodgers. 18 including Turner if they resign him. Good try,
Their best players outside Mookie were developed. Nobody does it better. You can’t sustain their type of success without a combination of development and savvy moves
How many padres were drafted and developed? I’ll wait.
To me the issue of whether a team has homegrown players or not is moot. The important point is how much is the payroll? If the payroll is $200MM or more then you can say the team is attempting to buy the WS. There may be a team here or there, like the current RS, who have the payroll but not the tools for contention, but their current payroll is an artifact from a time in which they did have the tools and they did contend. And they paid for them. The NYY have done it, the RS have done it, the Cubs have done it, the Dodgers have done it… You can’t buy a WS but you can buy better odds. Well that’s what the Dodgers have done. They’ve bought the best odds in baseball. And, like I said, it’s got nothing to do with how many homegrown players they have. It’s how much they’re spending on players. They are spending more than anybody else by a tidy sum. (And so, to a lesser extent, are the NYY.)
Bauer will absolutely thrive on that team. Dodgers FO > everyone else.
Another dagger…..MLB has a competitive balance elephant in the room with CBA expiring
Competitive balance what about the Lakers and almost everyone else in the NBA?
w so much pitching Dodgers are flipping someone for JT’s replacement
The Dodgers are the new EVIL EMPIRE!!!!
Hay darkside…. where are u?? what you saying now about your pitcher that u always said that was not that good… Killing the Mets last night… Clown Smh…
jimmie ? did you write hay?
Boom goes the dynamite.
Stove is on fire.
Damn
As a Mets fan I didn’t want them spending all that money on him so I’m glad he chose the dodgers but this flaunting of autograph met hats and jerseys in his stupid video just shows what kind of selfish person he is. In this day and age and environment we’re all living in, to me this is stupid and childish. Why do these over payed children think they’re all that. I can’t be the only one livid by this trashy display of lack of sportsmanship. Am I?
He would have hated NY and vice versa
Mets should just sign both oddorisi and Bradley now.
LA best rotation since Maddox, Glavine and Smoltz. Can they be beaten? Yes the Yankees beat Atlanta twice, but they are odds on favorite. Biggest loser? Angels, Dodgers get Bauer they get Alex Cobb
I don’t think it’s necessarily a huge loss for the Angels. They are more than one player away from being a contender. We’ll see what happens next winter when Pujols comes off the books.
I think the biggest difference between the Braves very top heavy rotation and the Dodgers is depth. I can’t remember a deeper rotation.
A lot depends on Soroka in Atlanta. He is a fabulous young pitcher and I hope he comes back 100%. But yes, the Dodgers have an edge with their depth, Which is critical to the modern game. That might be more true than usual in 2021 as starting pitchers try to ramp up from the light workload of 2020.
Ceyhey I was talking about that crazy Braves rotation with Maddox, Glavine, and Smoltz. That was an incredible rotation but this Dodgers rotation is off the charts deep. Just off the top of my head Kershaw, Buehler, Bauer, Price, May, Gonsolin, Urias and a lot of other young guys that are close just incredibly deep pitching the deepest I can remember.
Washington’s rotation is still pretty good with scherzer, stras, and Corbin. also have a title win/experience in the postseason as well so I wouldn’t want to face them come postseason time
Had there ever been 2 reigning Cy Young’s pitching in the same rotation? That woulda been pretty cool for the Mets. That’s gotta hurt. From Bauer back to Lucchesi.
Time for the Mets to sign Jackie Bradley Jr
Sensible move. It would mean they have completely revamped their up-the-middle defense, which I thought was their biggest weakness. McCann-McNeil-Lindor-Bradley would be the polar opposite of Ramos-Cano-Rosario-Nimmo. Then pray for the DH and move Nimmo to left. If no DH, dangle Smith as a headliner in a deal to get Ramirez or Chapman to play 3B.
If only Bradley were righthanded…. or could hit…
Angels are a joke. Struck out on every top tier FA starter for years, and instead got Cobb and Fowler…get out ASAP Trout
Trout is the 21st Century’s answer to Ernie Banks: a great player stuck on a bad ( and cursed team)
Who had a better ERA from 2013-2019 Cobb or Bauer?
L.A. Yankees
He used the Mets like what used to happen with the Yankees years ago to help drive up price
The Dodgers flex their muscles, this was perfect for them. The Dodgers now have better pitching rotation than the Padres and Mets. I think Bauer used the Mets to bring the price up .Bauer gets 40 million this year and 45 million next year with opt outs both years. Both sides win with this one. According to Spotrac, the Dodgers only had 88 million committed next year.
Good for the Mets he had 1 good year in a bad division and his lifetime era is over 4 trouble on all teams he’s been on including UCLA. Mets saved money from throwing it away
Do the Mets have a interest in bringing back Turner?
Time for them tk reel in Jackie Bradley Jr
This is as weak as Durant going to the Warriors.
come on, Durant is much worse. Firstly, in the NBA a single player can carry you to the finals where as in the MLB, a single player barely moves the needle. (see Trout and Angels). Secondly, Durant is about 100x better a player in the NBA than Bauer is the MLB. The equivalent I guess would be Lindor signing in LA next year, which is possible I suppose.
Proof? Trout, and then even when Rendon came the Angels are still just some nobody that happens to have two top players
40M in 2021 and 45 in 2022 , great deal for bauer.
He is sure to opt out after 2022 provided not hurt. A 2-year 85M deal is pretty insane considering his track record. Dodgers got the money though. More revenue sharing in next CBA please
MLB needs a hard salary cap.
No.
Absolutely yes
MLB needs a much higher CBT. If there is going to be a hard cap it needs to be a percentage of revenue with all teams required to open their books to the MLBPA.
Teams like the Dodgers and Yankees are bringing in $600 million or more in revenue per season but only spending $200 million or a little more. 33-35% of revenue.
The owners are getting far more than 50% of revenue that would not be possible without the irreplacebale skills of the players. The players share of the revenue they make possible needs to go up. More money needs to go to the players, from top to bottom.
There should absolutely NOT be a hard salary cap!
It’s time to bring this back:
*Rodman Edward Serling gestures over to Perry Minisian watching him clinch a bottle of Jack*
This man is Perry Minisian, and he has watched his newfound career melt away. Losing the help of employees, managers, and consumers he fell into a dark consumption of fear; ridiculed by fear itself. He clinches the last bottle he can feasibly reach for out of disregarded desperation, and the result of his storm and stress combined to take him to a place worse than fear itself. It took him… to the Twilight Zone.
Who had a better ERA from 2013-2019, Cobb or Bauer? Cobb cost the Angels what? $5 million for just one season.
Lol that video.
40 million dollars… 45 million dollars… Overpay…
40M a year for a 3.90 career ERA pitcher who has reached 200 innings only once and had a 4.48 ERA in 2019, the last full season, nice…
How are the Angels not spending the money. The AL West is for the taking right now for them. The Mets needed Springer more than Bauer. Why did the Mets consider Bauer a priority over Springer?
“not spending the money”? They have the 3rd highest CBT number right now, just behind LAD and BOS.
They just haven’t spent it wisely.
Depends if they let him use foreign substances or not. They used to clamp down, remember Pineda?
$102M over 3 years, $85M in the first two — so it’s only a $17m player option for 2023?
math
Essentially they’re paying him $85M for 2 years if he remains an elite performer, or $102M for 3 years if he’s ineffective or gets injured.
$102 million is the guaranteed money, its not the total contract..
Rooting for the Padres and every other team that faces LA more than ever now. Dodgers were already favorites to repeat pre-Bauer. Dodgers and Yankees just being able to throw money out there at will doesn’t do much to inspire fans of the other 28 teams. The owners need a protracted lockout in negotiations to restore sanity and to protect themselves from their own foolishness. Optics on this not good for the game.
A lot of owners are cheap it’s not the Dodgers and Yankees fault.
Exactly
There’s cheap and there’s stupid. Dodgers showed their stupidity just like Yanks did in giving Cole his deal. Bottom line is neither franchise cares about the financial health of a league that has neither true revenue sharing or a salary cap.
Spend money to make money. The Angels and the Mets are in the same two markets yet lag behind in how they run their teams. The Dodgers have won eight straight division titles. That’s eight straight years of every game being meaningful. How exactly have they been stupid? Btw, people have been predicting the financial run of baseball since 1908.
Not to mention the Dodgers have been one of the elite teams for a long time while maintaining one of the best farm systems in baseball. They haven’t mortgaged their future one bit and are set to compete for the foreseeable future. Quite frankly, it’s very stupid to call the Dodgers “stupid” when they have been one of the most intelligently run MLB franchises for almost a decade.
Explain why the top 2 financial juggernauts in the league care about the “financial health of the league” since they LITERALLY financially support the rest of the teams. Also, would you rather the money stay in the greedy owners pockets or go to the players… There is no stupid when it comes to paying players if you have the resources, the dodgers got their guy and they have money to spare for years to come.
I get how some people equate consistent winning while spending ridiculous sums of money as being ‘smart’. Yet, talk to the owners and GMs of the 20 lowest payrolls and see if they agree. Talk to every mid to small market team about how intelligent it is to financially leverage your future for a shot at a World Series. Too many pro sports fans tend to think teams are the unicorns of the business world and should operate beyond their budgets as long as they satisfy the fans’ desire to compete with the big spenders. The last 10 years alone is proof that overspending on free agents (or even extending your own stars) has sent MLB teams into dramatic tank/rebuild modes while waiting for bad contracts to expire. The Rockies just paid $50M to have the Cards take Arenado off their hands only 2 years into that deal. So the Dodgers and the Yankees are the 2 biggest broadcast rights markets in the majors, and spend accordingly based on the current rules. For most other MLB teams though, the lack of true league-wide broadcast revenue sharing, ala the NFL, combined with no salary cap, makes their windows to win far more delicate and spaced out. Unless of course you think teams that are forced to accumulate years of top draft picks while dumping their best players is a healthy model of competition. So yeah, I’m rooting for no baseball in 2022 if they can’t figure out a system that creates competitive and fiscal sanity for the game. Most fans don’t want to be priced out on tickets, concessions, merchandise, parking and cable/streaming bills, so let’s not forget that very significant factor either.
Sorry but I think you’re going to be disappointed. I’d don’t think the new CBA is going to be about 1) creating “competitive and fiscal sanity for the game” or 2) making the game more affordable for fans. They’re good goals but the owners and players just don’t care about those things.
You got it backwards. What is ridiculous is the percentage of revenue the owners are making and the small amount the players are making. .
The Dodgers and Yankees are spending a far smaller portion of their total revenue than many teams. At their current payroll (including Bauer) of $230 million + $8.75 million in CBT penalties, the Dodgers are spending just 35% of their total revenue. At their current $199 million in payroll the Yankees are spending just 30% of their revenue on MLB payroll.
What needs to happen is a huge increase in the money going to the players. Half of total revenue should be the target. That means everyone from rookies to the stars like Trout should be making more money.
@Pads Fan
This very same thinking is what in my opinion has killed the NBA. Every team had to spend so much…they cant get the best players but yet they still HAVE to give that money to someone, the same exact contract to someone not as good. Then they are stuck paying this player a “max” contract even though he isn’t worth that money. Then those teams are stuck in financial peril FOREVER!
I personally don’t feel there should be a cap floor or a salary cap at all. The Ray’s proved they can get to a WS without spending truckloads of money. At the end of the day this is still a business. The owners make their money and everyone else makes their money based on how well they negotiate.
Mets fan here. I’m curious why this posting isn’t on the Mets rumor page. I had to swipe to MLB page. Just curious.
Dodgers rotation is nasty. Back to back WS Champions.
In the end anything can happen, especially crushing injuries, but it sure the hell looks that way.
So a 2-year $85M deal…a lot of money coming off the books next year for the Dodgers. One year of taxation. I’m fine with it
Dodgers plan on trading some pitching for a 3rd baseman??????
Dodgers can have Andujar for May.
lol
Stop suggesting Andujar in your trade proposals. Just stop it. He has negative trade value.
Evan Longoria for Julio Urias.
I accept that trade in a heartbeat
Is a Bauer for Bryant trade in the cards?
big yikes at that contract
I dont like it tbh –
3/102 at least it doesnt interfere with Bellinger (3 yrs left till FA) Urias ( 3 yrs left till Fa) Muncy (3) Buehler (4) and Pollock falls off at 3 as well
Takes away the play money 2022 and 2023 tho man………. Can still extend Shaw/Seager but a guy like Chris Taylor might get the shaft etc etc down the line. You might see a fairly same looking team the next 3 years in LAD now….Dont know if Id put all those chips in (this) 1 dudes bag
You think he’s going to exercise ‘23 for $17 Mil? I don’t….
No which makes it even worse for us…. Might as well look at it like a 2/85
Way too much money man, Im surprised AF has never taken a risk like this before…..Mookie was Not a risk imo
How much do we have coming off the books next year? We have Ferguson and Kahnle coming back… rotation is set. Prospects coming up… yes this year we are shelling out dough but why so worried about 2022?
Seager Kershaw Taylor + every avail FA is why im worried about the 45 AAV next year
This very well could be instrumental in this being Kershaws last year in Blue, not a fan of that
I’m not worried about Seager. We are signing him to a long term deal, we can backload the money. Yes, Kershaw could be headed to Texas for much more money soon. It’s sad. But dont think I’m worried about the future success of the dodgers because of it
You’ve got a much greater chance of signing Kershaw than you do Seager. Kershaw is a Dodger legend, an icon even, and I highly doubt the owners would let him go. Seager is coming into his prime, mans a premium position, and will be part of possibly the best free agent shortstop group ever. There will be plenty of suitors and a lot of money shelled out.
Only if he stinks the next two years. He’s definitely not opting out next year.
Why do I feel the Mets just dodged a bullet.
We can finally move on from the Bauer speculation. Jfc.
hahaha that is way too much money
Geez this video got the waterworks going. Everything I love about this game in two minutes. So thankful to welcome this kind of player to the team
That’s a very interesting and strange contract. $40 + $45 + $ 17. I would bet he opts out after the second year which I believe the Dodgers want him to do.
Well at that point they would want the 1/17 if hes doing well –
Cant Imagine they couldnt have least gone 40-40-22
This was all a show and the Dodgers were always casted as the lead role in the play in Trevors mind-
Shout out to the supporting actors in NYM and SD for the behind the scenes push to get production for the film
I TOLD Steve Cohen not to short GameStop…….
Have to respect the Dodgers. They want to win the whole thing again and again and again. Well done.
Without further payroll reduction Bauer’s real cost to LAD for 2021 = $50,102,906
That’s insanity.
That’s chump change for the dodgers.
Its $2 million more than the Rays total payroll for 2021. baseball-reference.com/teams/TBD/tampa-bay-rays-sa…
Its $3 million more than the Pirates and Indians total payroll for 2021. baseball-reference.com/teams/PIT/pittsburgh-pirate…
For one player. A pitcher with a 3.90 career ERA who had a 4.48 ERA in his last full season in 2019.
Man, where is their payroll now?
Almost $30mil over the CBT threshold
You know a rotation is loaded when May and Gonsolin don’t make the top 5. Wow.
In Year 1 (2021) Bauer will make more ($40M) than his former team’s current 2021 budget: CLE ($36.5M).
Indians are at $47.3 million. Bauer will cost the Dodgers just over $50 million in 2021 including $40 million in salary, the CBT penalties, and the loss of picks/money in the MLB draft and the Intl FA market. .
$40m+Luxury tax obligations for a guy who isn’t That much better than his replacement. I don’t know about this one. I think San Diego pushed them to make this.
I imagine they will trade Price next. Maybe to the Angels?
LAA would likely take that deal if LAD ate all but a couple of million. Which wouldn’t generate much benefit for LAD
Also, I don’t see the Angels taking on any veteran for more than 1 year. Price has 2 years left on his deal. Angels will try and trade for a young controllable arm.
I’m not convinced that Moreno understands the importance of pitching for a baseball team.
They’ll try but hes a tough sell tbh
Toronto Ana are my 2 thoughts but theres prolly still bad blood with LAD and LAAOC from the Joc trade last year Id imagine
Wow! The rich get richer! Where’s Bernie sanders? Put him in the MLB league front office role
Can Rios play third everyday?
have to admit the wealth gap between rich and poor in baseball is growing just like in the country itself.
Total cost of Bauer in 2020 for the Dodgers will be more than the current total payroll of 4 teams, Rays, Pirates, Indians, and A’s.
Long time Dodger fan and only ok with this deal if they now package one of their other pitchers (May or Gonsolin) and prospects to get a premier third baseman … Devers would be number one choice but probably out of question
Not a dodger fan, but why would they even do that when pitching depth is key? They don’t have someone to fill third base for a year? FA class next year is pretty elite for infield.
You know, I appreciate the honesty. Everyone else is freaking out saying BACK TO BACK BACK TO BACK BACK TO BACK
Next up: Padres counter with trade for Verlander.
Astros not giving up Verlander
Was a joke……………
Hello Arthur
Verlander won’t be pitching this year anyway.
The ripple effect will likely look something like this.
Turner to Braves or Jays
Odorizzi to Mets or Angels
Ozuna to Braves if Turner not signed by them, if he is Ozuna to CWS
Paxton to Angels
Walker to Jays
Porcello to Rangers or Tigers
Rosenthal to Padres
Bryant remains at Cubs
Who plays 3rd base for the Dodgers? Rios?
Probably would be Rios if not Turner, but I don’t know everything.
Imagine though if NYM, whom missed out on Springer, pivoted and signed Ozuna essentially from their rivals (ATL) with some of the money they offered Bauer. They could use the OF depth as trade pieces for rotation/bullpen depth.
Typical Alderson.
Need a CFer? Get a SS! Have a young cheap SS while getting near the soft cap? Deal him away. And the backup!
Need a durable 1/2 starter? Don’t trade for any of the half dozen that were available, instead wait until February and let one erratic guy with roots on the other side of the country determine your fate!
Need a catcher? Let the best one in the game go to a division rival over a difference of just 13m a year, by AAV!
Need to completely overhaul your rotation? Get absolutely no certainty or close to certainty after deGrom!
Well–it’s on Cohen. He brought the old man back who shilled for the Wilpons for almost a decade. Did he really think Alderson was a good GM? Even a middle-tier GM?
He improved the bullpen, starting pitching, middle infield, catching and overall defense. The Mets are way better right now then they were 3 months ago.
The top of the Mets rotation is DeGrom, Stroman, Carrasco. One of the best in baseball that compares very well to Kershaw, Buehler, Bauer. So not sure what you are talking about needing to overhaul their rotation.
They got the 2nd best catcher on the market for less than half the price. They got the best SS in baseball. Their middle infield defense, which was a huge problem in 2019-2020 with Cano at 2B and a revolving door at SS, is now one of the best in baseball with Lindor at SS and McNeil at 2B. They improved their pen which now very deep.
Still don’t think its going to be enough to overtake the Braves in the East or the Dodgers and Padres, but the Mets are a much improved team today over the one Cohen and Alderson took over.
I am surprised that the Dodgers committed to going going over the lux tax for the next 2 years.
Every day the season gets closer it gets more and more obvious that the Dodgers and White Sox are on a path to collide in the World Series.
The only thing on a path to collide into something is a inebriated Tony La Russa behind the wheel of a car. The White Sox entered the offseason with a subpar RF, subpar DH, subpar backend of rotation and subpar depth. Their offseason is essentially complete and those problems persist.
CWS lack of depth is mind blowing. Considering their replacement level players are not even replacement level.
The Dodgers are pretty much a lock. The White Sox not quite so much.
Bust!!!!!!
Well the Dodgers have built the team in a way that they can get away with this. They are in full burn mode now and want to win as many championships as possible and this certainly cements them as easily the favorites. I’m not sure when I can remember a team that is so deep in so many ways. Injuries can still happen but they are so deep!
The NL West is looking like a juggernaut division. The Padres are maybe the second best in baseball and the Giants are quietly building a very good team with a ton of money for free agency next year. It won’t be long before the Giants are back in the conversation. The Rockies and to lesser extent the Dbacks need to rebuild they have very little chance in this division for 5 years or more. The Rockies especially need to tear it down completely anything less then a complete tear down is just not seeing the big picture by there GM and Ownership.
Oh, boy.
Nice 2/85…..and likely opt out last year structure by agent. Ideal for a ‘bet on yourself’ client.
That’s the right way to look at it.
If the numbers being reported are correct, the contract looks like this:
2021 $40 million (can opt out after)
2022 $45 million (can opt out after)
2023 $17 million
Total $102 million
AAV $34 million
So, the Dodgers are playing games with year three to lower the AAV.
How did the Met’s miss on Bauer. I feel so bad for my Met Fan friends
He always wanted LAD …….Mets put out higher offer….it was all just to get LAD to raise there offer to best they could
it might have been the structure of the deal. this deal is mad front heavy. its effectively 2/$85 with insurance. very possible the Mets offered millions more but not that front heavy and without both opt outs.
@Dark- Its my belief the Mets were always just a pawn to Trevor to get the best bid from La….once he got it, he inked it…. I wouldnt even be surprised if all those schenanagains yesterday were leaked by Bauers camp to get the ball rolling. Well played by him his agent in the end if so
@Terry- I DO think theres something to what your saying – If the Padres played the offseason like 2/3 of the league Im not so certain we have this sign today as well
If anything, the Dodgers had to with the moves the Padres made and how the Mets staff and adding Lindor could’ve challenged their crown. They at least kept the Mets at bay for now. As a Mets fan, I’m glad they didn’t sign him. Not only were the dollars insane for him, but also the stuff that comes with him. Not sure how the clubhouse would respond.
I doubt this signing was made because of anything the Padres were doing.
Man, throw in some type of 3m bonus clause and Bauer makes more than the entire Pirates team this year.
This guy Cey Hey hated Bauer when he was rumored to Mets and now thinks it’s a good deal lol. I didn’t switch up like that. I still think Bauer is good. But it’s going to feel good to beat him.
LAD have great FO and owner. This is exactly what a big market team should do when their window is wide open before multiple players move past arbitration. They are trying to curb stomp the competition and it’s exactly the situational awareness to know when to go all in.
I’m not a particularly big fan of large market teams throwing economic hay makers, but I understand it and admire that they see the need for an ‘all gas no break’ approach.
That said- they have to play the games and Bauer could be anything from an SP 3 to SP 1.
They’re owned by a hedge fund.
I’m having a hard time picturing him fitting in with the dodgers rotation. Kershaw is hands down the leader there and guys like Buehler and Urias have looked to him on how to handle themselves and I would guess approach the game in a similar manner. I just don’t look at Bauer as a guy that will go along with it. Like the new guy comes in and tries to change the culture and everyone looks at him like “who is this kid”. Obviously they know what comes with Bauer and I’m sure it’ll work out great. Just my initial thoughts. Looking like back to back for LA
Bauer’s not a kid. He’s 30.
If you’re 40, 50, or 60, then 30 is a kid. You still learn a lot in a decade or three. I’m sure Nolan Ryan in his forties saw thirty year olds as kids. It’s all perspective.
It’s all relative. Within a MLB clubhouse…30 isn’t young.
Just a term. Not saying he’s a kid
I’m actually shocked. Dodgers rarely spend on free agents, they take care of their own but rarely sign a bit free agent which is why I didn’t think this would happen. Glad they did it. Padres have a solid roster with a good rotation and our rotation was sketchy in the playoffs plus a full season not a shortened season so never know how Price and Kershaw will hold up. Now I hope they bring back Turner for 2 years.
Dodgers are dumber than I thought. This is exactly the reason baseball is screwed up.
Top to bottom, look at what Andrew Friedman has assembled. That is the best-run organization in the game. While I wasn’t a huge fan of adding Bauer, I am a strong believer in Friedman.
Best run organizations in baseball are the Rays and Indians. Its not even close in terms of wins per dollar spent. Anyone can spend the most money by far like the Dodgers have.
Bahahaha.
Some teams overpay while most don’t want to pay much at all
A virtual lock on a WS title is worth an overpay. They don’t have 100% odds but they’re not far off. Based on their abilities to overcome injuries last year, it will take an awful lot to knock them off the throne now. The only questions are how much the loss of Hernandez and potentially Turner will hurt them.
Dodgers fan here. No such thing as a lock on a WS title.
Hernandez no big deal Turner might be, Rios has great power will hit more homer than Turner, and can play defense.
85M over 2 – that’s the real deal.
Im a padre fan, but I love this deal, bauer is a baller, but now manny gets to see him often. Also padres vs dodgers is gonna be massive all season,. Very excited
Hello, Corey Seager. 🙂 That kind of AAV is going to make it harder for LA to keep all its talent
This is a true statement, and the reason why many Dodger fans are hitting the bottle right now
Nah…Friedman wouldn’t have signed Bauer if it was going to affect Seager’s situation with the Dodgers moving forward. He is much smarter than that and I assume the Dodgers only signed Bauer because they knew it would not impact their ability to keep guys like Seager, Kershaw and Bellinger. They wouldn’t have essentially traded for Bauer now for any of those guys later. If the choice was a couple years of Bauer versus keeping their own stars for many years and potentially their entire careers, I doubt they would have gone the Bauer route. I think the Dodgers are prepared to pay them all, barring any unforeseen circumstances like major injuries, etc.
Very true Chief on Seager, was talking more “All talent part”
There is definitely implications by the signing
Bauer is overrated, Angels don’t need him.
Seager would look good in pinstripes
And he can’t grow facial hair. Sounds like a match made in heaven!
The Bauer signing won’t affect whether the Dodgers re-sign Seager at all. If Seager remains relatively healthy and productive, I don’t see him going to another team.
Angels fans everywhere (all 200 of them) should be facepalming right now. Epic failure once again, despite the best player this generation.
Angels outdraw the White Sox every year and have higher TV ratings. Paying $40 million for Bauer is an epic fail. He has a 3.90 career ERA and in full seasons its higher.
that’s a completely stupid amount of money
Lol hyoocrites much!! When it looked like he was going to the Mets most ppl said he was overrated and mediocre and it was such a “Met” move to sign. Now that he has signed with the almighty Dodgers, it is a brilliant move lmao…smdh
Goes both ways buddy. Mets fans were doing the same thing. Calm down.
But.. the Angels got Alex Cobb.
The over the top signing of Bauer shows just how much respect and concern that they have for the White Sox lineup! You don’t need this type of firepower to beat a Braves team without Ozuna!
Lol, started drinking early?
Yep. They were in full panic mode over a team that hasn’t won their putrid division in 12 years.
Trading Trout is the only options the ANGELS have to compete in the American League. Maybe the Dodgers should offer one of their AAA catchers and three or four minor leaguers to get him away or even offer them Gosolin. We all know if Trout stays with the ANGELS, he will never see the POSTSEASON….
Angels are not trading Trout.
Sooooo when do we get to see him get shot in the nuts by a paintball gun for signing more than a 1 year deal??
DeGrom looks like a bargain now at 32 Million a year
THIS IS THE DODGERS DECADE!!!! SWEET!!!!
GO BLUE!!!
Now that this is done, Turner will be resigned by the end of the day. Bank on it.
Rich get richer- you wonder why people don’t like baseball….it should be obvious!
Absolutely, baseball has to do something to level the playing field between big markets and smaller markets.
Now trade May OR Gonsolin and prospects for Baez and Bryant. Turner at 36 continues to insist on a longer than a two year contract. So move on Dodgers.
Whew! Thank you Dodgers.
– Mets fan
It’s a tough day for Mets Nation. This too shall pass! So long as the Yankees don’t decide they want to scoop up Frankie Lindor in free agency, you can probably keep him so long as the negotiations don’t get botched like the Bauer deal.
As a Mets fan I’m relieved. Did not want Bauer and all the crazy that follows him. Not to mention the dollars he got and was offered – a huge overpay. Money can be better spent elsewhere, even if that means next year.
With this signning, as a longtime padres fan, I refuse to watch any ball game this season.
i’m pessimistic about such imbalance rivalry..
Huh?
Love him or hate him Bauer is great for baseball. He promotes the game on social media constantly and a polarizing figure is good to have once in awhile.
The Padres are the reason the Dodgers got Bauer. Dodgers were afraid of SD this season.
Nobody ….. especially the Dodgers ….. are afraid of the Padres! That lineup currently has the pitcher hitting without the DH in addition to Will Myers and Eric Hosmer. 3 strikes! Nobody is worried about the Padres!
Barry, I’m really glad you’re here. Those are such interesting thoughts you have.
@ Very Barry
Doesn’t every team in the NL have the pitcher hitting instead of the DH this year? Including the Dodgers?
Ha Ha
Dodgers are afraid of Dodgers. Where do Padre fan come up with this nonsense
Of Padres
Massive overpay. Yankees were smarter with Kluber.
Yankees will be lucky to get 11 starts for the $11 million they gave Kluber.
Dodgers will be lucky to get an ace in Bauer for 40 million. I would much rather overpay 11 million for a guy who was once a proven ace than invest 40 in a pitcher who has only shown a couple ace-like seasons.
And yes, I thought Cole was an overpay as well and I don’t think he will be in top shape all those seasons.
Pwndroia- That’s okay because if Bauer starts 35 games he will make 1.85 mil each time he toes that rubber!
It’s doubtful that the Yankees will hit on both Kluber and Taillon. They may strike out on one or both. After all the injuries to the rotation the past two years, you would think Cashman would have learned. But no. He didn’t. Kluber, Taillon, Sevy, German. 4/5 of the rotation. Risks.
I’m thinking the opt-outs after every season were the kicker here. Did the Mets offer him any opt-outs?
We have to band together to force Bob Nightengale to address his tweet from yesterday that Bauer and the Mets had already agreed to terms.
Yes Mets offer him the same type of contract except 3 years for 110 M.
That’s completely beside the point. Bob Nightengale said that the Mets and Bauer had already agreed to terms even though they hadn’t. I don’t doubt for a second that the Mets offered that but Bauer never said “yes” to it.
Bauer set up the Mets and all the reporters, the reporters tried to get a jump on the signing and it back fired on them. Bauer was just playing them.
If you believe anything Nightengale says, that is on you.
See that’s the Death Blow to any other team including my Yanks to winning next year. Even if the Yanks starting 5 are healthy, I am hard pressed to believe they will tax the bullpen again. I hate checkbook baseball, but Bauer was the missing piece.
How humiliating for the average baseball fan. 45M/30K.
If like they say, it’s TV money, then lower the price of a hotdog and parking?
Amen!
I AGREE MY LIFE JUST GOT A WHOLE LOT BETTER LOOK AT MY NAME LOL
I was thinking for a second that he was screwing himself with all the taxes in California… but then I realized something. Bauer has some sort of company right? Can he write off his income with his business and pay like essentially no taxes?
No, he can’t. Momentum is an LLC – a completely separate entity. And he’s got plenty of partners. Looking it up he’s not even listed in any filings which means he might not even be an owner. Even if he is an owner having a money-losing business is not an efficient way of lowering taxes (who likes to lose a dollar to save 45 cents?)
And he only pays CA income tax on games played in LA, SD, SF, Anaheim, and OAK if they happen to play them.
Then why are so many businesses leaving California?
Friedman finds a way again and the owners reaffirm their commitment to winning championships. Great time for Dodger fans!
Until all that money in 1 player bites you in the rear.
Look closer. Friedman has masterfully laid-out his future payroll.
It does help when you can fly 50 million over the luxury tax. Not sure it’s masterful or just having deep pockets.
Great time, indeed. I have been a Dodger fan since 1968 and these last few years have been the best it’s ever been. In a way, it feels like they’re just getting started. So much young talent with a nucleus of stars in their prime. If those Dodger fans who complain about “Fraudman” aren’t happy now, then they never will be.
Assume he has 30 starts and averages 21 outs per game. That’s $666,666 per game and $31,746 per out.
That money per game sounds like he made a deal with the devil.
Double-dealing with the devil
as a philly fan I would love to offer my condolences to all Mets fans. They thought they had them, some message boards not fans or on top of the world last night now they wake up
The Mets blew this signing by giving Bauer a deadline. Good for them.
I guess Dodgers would try to trade Price or Pollock to see if they can possibly sign Justin Turner.
Now wrap up Lux, Gonsolin and Rios in a pretty package and go get J-Ram from Cleveland. Then call it a winter.
They certainly have the capital to get it done
A) they didn’t NEED to do anything b) this isn’t a sure thing and honestly as a fan of another team I’m glad we didn’t get this flighty freak show
In any race the pace setter doesn’t always win the race. Thank you Dodgers for now taking the lead, takes some pressure off my Pads but you better believe they have their sites on you. Now yes I tip my cap to that organization but Bauer has now just become LeBron circa 2010.
OK jays make an offer for David Price.
As I figured, and hoped. They were just using the Mets to drive up the price. They were smart to draw the line and force his decision. Now they have another 40 million per year to add other pieces!
Pretty sure I predicted two times in different chats that he would sign a Lebron like 1+1 deal for around $90 mil.. Turns out I was $5 mil off (it’s essentially a 1 year deal for $40m plus a player option for year 2 at $45m). I was told I was reaching by two different contributors here. He’s a good player and teams are willing to pay for present value if they don’t have to risk much future commitment.
Must be a big day for you! Haha
Don’t beat your drum to hard. Most had him at 80m if it were only 2 years. Which is also 5m off guess.
I am very curious how the conversation on the 3rd year went.
I’m guessing something like:
Bauer: I want $50M.
Dodgers: Bit high. How about 2 years with an opt out.
Bauer: Hmm, getting closer. What about 2/85?
Dodgers: That sounds about right. Mind if we add a third year with a trivial amount to spread out the tax hit?
Bauer: Sure. But then the total has to be over 100.
Dodgers: 17M would do that.
Bauer: Done
Or was it Bauer who wanted the extra year, and the Dodgers were willing to structure it this way?
I’d think the Dodgers initiated the third year to spread the three year AAV like you said. It’s essentially a 2/85 deal. As long as he performs he’d opt out after the second year.
Smart of the Dodgers considering how little they’ll have on the books if/when Bauer opts out. This will enable them to take care of Seager (to some FA SS), Bellinger, and, further down the road, Buehler. The stars will get paid. Meanwhile, the Dodgers should continue to scout, draft, and develop players at an admirable level. Friedman has learned his lessons well. Small market principles applied to a major market budget. Build your foundation from within and then go outside when it’s really worthwhile.
$40+ million for our #3 pitcher. Thanks for the CY Trev. Good luck LA. When they discover and expose what he did to produce those spin rates, at least you won’t be stuck with him for a long contract.
Chris Young sent out a memo during the 2020 season talking about how MLB was going to be cracking down on foreign substances on the ball That will kill Bauer’s spin rate. Even Bauer admits the only way to get those spin rates is breaking the rules.
Nice! The Dodgers will be stuck paying him $40+ million per season when he immediately returns to being the 4.00 ERA starter he has been most of his career. Dodgers bought the hype and now they are $35 million over the CBT. With the penalties, Bauer will cost them $48 million for 2021. SWEET!!!
I agree Koamalu
Quelle surprise; a loud mouth with propensity for attention-seeking wants to go play a kid’s game in Los Angeles. It’ll be fun watching the Dodgers fans whine over another overly-hyped mediocre player.
No doubt he’s a great pitcher but I really did not expect him to be the guy to break that $40M AAV.
40 and 45 million is an overpay but the Dodgers had to do it to compete with San Diego.
Lol
Dodgers have been better than the Padres all this time.
As a Mets fan I am deeply reileved.
A blessing in disguise for the Mets!
The Dodgers did not need to get Bauer, to keep up with SD. They especially didn’t need to overpay for him. Don’t forget the Dodgers are the WS champs and swept SD in the playoffs. This does now gives the Dodgers 7 legit starters Kershaw, Buehler, Price, Urias, May, Gonsolin and now Bauer. 3 Cy young award winners, Buehler who got a slow start but was lights out in the playoffs even while injured and will win a cy young before his career is over. Urias who was probably the most valuable pitcher in the playoffs, Gonsolin who had a terrific regular season ERA around 2.00, and May who makes people look ridiculous when he is on. They will be ridiculously good.
Gotta feel bad for Mitchell White who made his MLB debut last season and looked impressive. Unless there are some injuries he won’t get much of a look.
They needed 3rd baseman Rios isnt ready to be the starter. Hopefully they still resign Turner.
They didn’t need to get Bauer, true, but they were going to need that 2/3 starter down the stretch. Take into account that none of the 3: Urias, May, Gonsolin are stretched out to go a full MLB season. While what they did was impressive it was still through the lense of a shortened season. Add to that Price has an injury history of his own and hasn’t seen significant innings in two seasons. While as a Dodger fan I’m just mehh with the signing, they addressed a need they were going to have to address at the TDL anyways. & yes I agree with you wholeheartedly about 3B and Turner.
Muncy can also play 3B. Regarding that position, I suspect Friedman has something else up his sleeve. We will find out soon enough.
Agree Cey Hey; no way they aint going up to 250 now and not following thru-
At about 238 right now give or take a mill each way
Turner at minimum or a pretty big trade is in the midst before V-day hits. IF theres a suitor for Price already in the wings wouldnt be surprising to see him traded in next 48 hrs along with some cash
Would certainly soften that 22 payroll up nice as well as help secure the RH 3B for 21
Cap & Crunch, I was saying on here a couple of weeks ago that Friedman was just waiting to pounce. I love his patience. It’s funny. On some Dodger sites, fans get nervous and create these massive prospect overpays that AF would never do. With him, I have learned not to worry about the winter at all. Just let it play out.
As much as other teams’ fans bemoan the Dodgers’ payroll, Friedman has actually done a masterful job of managing future expenses. Not a lot of the books, long-term. Small-market principles with a large-market budget. The stars will get paid. Meanwhile, MLB-ready talent will keep coming on the player-development conveyer belt. Brilliant planning.
I have been thinking Price plus cash for a while. That would be an outstanding move for someone like the Phillies or Jays. Also wondering if AF has an eye toward Ramirez or Chapman for 3B. I don’t know about Ramirez’s personal relationship with Lindor, though looking ahead to next winter that might factor in as well. And we know AF is always looking ahead.
Two winters and two ‘unFriedman” moves by Friedman. The guy just does what he can to make the team better.
I personally dont love this deal that much today but Imma wait to really reserve my thoughts till opening day- I think theres more to come –
Taking a positive spin….the deals creative (ish) AAV wise 34 AAV….Now if we can save 9 AAV (send 7 with /more than enough imo) off Price this and next year before opening day then hes essentially only a 25 AAV over 2 years in lieu of Price ……I really dont care about the **Real Cash hes getting altho I think it sets a really STRANGE showdown with Kershaw next year that I cant say Im comfortable with –
I think we have a lot of the same thoughts, we’d like to save the money for all the kids in house and are very weary of people coming in or even the need for outsiders to come in at this point especially sucking up a huge chunk of payroll – But I agree I trust AF will be able to navigate next off season even tho it will surely be harder to do than it was yesterday-
This wasnt “worst” case scenario for me but I am a little surprised today; I thought we were the pawn not NYM not the other way around
I doubt they hand the keys to Rios at 3B. He’s proven his power in limited at bats, and he’s a great off the bench, occasional starter but he needs to show more before just handing him the starting position. The bat needs to be as good as Turner’s for this to work. They lost Joc’s plus bat at LF from the better side of the platoon. They can’t afford to have a bat worse than Turner’s. Then they’re further subtracting from last year’s levels.
The league already said they will be cracking down on the illegal grip substance manufactured by that Angels assistant and used by Bauer,Cole, Verlander …etc. Will be interesting to see how that effects spin rate this year.
They swept a Padres team that was without their #1 and #2 starters. Now the Padres have Darvish and Snell in the rotation in addition to Lamet. Dodgers overreacted and will pay a total of $50 million in 2021 for the privilege of having a new #3-#4 starter. That 3.90 career ERA screams $50 million to me. LOL
You think those two are going to stop the Dodgers? Lmao.
Bauer conveniently left out his drone accident in his announcement video costing his TEAM a World Series. That is how you spell knucklehead.
Phew!
Now the Mets can focus on 3rd base and center.
Their pitching is fine.
I still think it would be a good idea to go after another starter. As much as I like 1-3 in the rotation. We have a lot of questions with our 4 and 5. Also with pitchers throwing such a low amount of innings last season. I’m not sure if your gonna see any 200 inning starters this year.
Great team just got greater lol. The west will represent the NL in the W.S again.
Congrats to Bauer and the Dodgers.
The game is becoming a joke…. spend, spend spend…. Buy a championship
The Giants were top 20% spenders in the game for their championships
Huh? They built their team through scouting, drafting, and player development. If spending led to championships, then how come the Angels never make the playoffs?
Already disproved that elsewhere on this thread. Next season the Dodgers will have 17 guys that they didn’t develop on their team.
Already disproved that elsewhere on this thread. Next season the Dodgers will have 17 guys that they didn’t develop on their team.
Whining Giants fan? No, never. It’s essentially a two year $85mm deal. Steep? Yeah. Friedman has only really given out one blockbuster contract to Mookie. Most of the Dodgers core players are farm raised or opportunistic pickups, and some trades. They have not overly relied on free agent market. Friedman did a great job trimming off fat contracts and rebuilding the farm. Wait for Zaidi to do the same before whining.
Salty midget’s fan
As a Dodgers fan I hate this deal.
Overpay.
So if I’m reading this right, $45 mil year 1, 40 year 2, 17 year 3? Lol. Soooo you have assuming the opt outs are player opt outs, he surely will opt out of that (unless he tanks). So what’s the value of that 3rd year? If he crushes it, he’s gone anyways. Unless he completely falls apart or gets injured, I guess he has a nice security net of 17 m to fall on lol. How will he ever survive off that
This is essentially a two year deal for $85M.
The $17m in year three was simply to reduce the AAV.
Sure and if he goes back to his former self- check his career numbers, baseball launched into center field bleachers, and self admitted cheating, the Dodgers are stuck paying all three years. I highly doubt the contract has a mutual opt out clause.
I do not believe in a man’s ever had a Tommy John surgery either
Dodgers aren’t worried about the Padres eh?
They aren’t now!
The Dodgers #6 & #7 SPs would be #1s on most other mlb teams.
Who is the odd man out?
I’m guessing Urias because of his production in the playoffs
Gonsolin going to AAA or bullpen for a season is a good problem to have. He’s either a cheap arm in the bullpen or I think the better option is sending him to AAA stretched out as a starter and he’s your injury call up fill-in guy or more depending on what the others do. May is also out of a starting role unless the Dodgers occasionally go to a six man rotation to preserve innings, or they could trade Price? Lots of options. Didn’t really like the way the Dodgers handled May in the playoffs.
The Dodgers are the masters of the metrics, they are paying Bauer on what his projections are for a short period of time. Teams should take notice of their style. How do they only have 88 million committed going into next year before the signing.?
Because they haven’t locked up guys like Bellinger or Buehler yet. So those guys will be in Arb years 3 and 2 respectively and they should get paid a good chunk of dough. They could theoretically be non-tendered and their contracts aren’t guaranteed so it doesn’t count as “committed”.
Pretty much the only money they have “committed” for 2022 right now is Bauer, Mookie, Pollack, Muncy, Trienen, Price and Khanle. Everyone else would either be a FA by then or would still be in Arb making their contracts non-guaranteed.
They only have 8 players.
Well they control and have way more than 8 players, there’s just nothing certain about the pre-arb and arb ones who could be non-tendered.
In reality if they tender contracts to most of these guys their payroll isn’t like the ~$125M it would be after the Bauer addition, it’s like closer to $175ish depending on how well their players do in arbitration.
If Buehler wins his arb case this year and then pitches lights out he could get like $9-10M for 2022. Belli will get a raise on his $16M this year too, probably up into the 20M+ range so that right there is already pushing them up above $155M on like 10 guys.
Then you have to fill out the rest of the roster, so the $88M committed before this is true but doesn’t take everything into account.
Good stuff Bauer stick it to the Mets. Dodgers gonna be pretty damn scary I would love to see Dodger vs Yankees ws
Its a 2 year deal 85 M at 36M lux tax, great contract for both parts. Great move.
*34 AAV (lux tax)
I too care more about the AAV as it aint my “real” cash but Im more worried the real world implications this has going forward….. Like whats DeGrom and his agent suppose to think of this in 2 yrs when he can opt out ?
Go mercenary at age 35 (assuming hes still ballin)….. so whats that market given Bauer?……HAS to BE over 1/50 right? Thats more than a couple of teams payrolls for this year……. slippery slope…. Im actually all for salary Caps on individual contracts like basketball has in baseball, I know that irks capitalistic folk to the core but I think it spreads the money around more fair in the end
There needs to be a salary floor, too.
Yes def needs to be a cap floor like basketball as well-
Ive said many times what baseball needs to do is make a Godfather offer to Adam Silver , best commish in any sport the last 30 years
The NBA continues to grow.
Im glad about the length of the contract for a pitcher, costly but worth the risk. In a 7 game playoffs is where you can take advantage of the 4 day rest.
yes *34 m
I hear ya pepenas
They must really like/love Bauer; and I think people inside the game like him a lot more than the general pop and what his career stats obv say-
Only problem I really got with it tho is
: How much better is his ” Last spin” in a 7 game series than say Urias or May? Idk…tbh…
I know its not that straightforward as we gain pen depth (wow that pens gonna be killer) and valuable Reg season inns (he seems super durable) but has he really ever had any “Bright light” moments yet in huge games??
I know May Urias has and even Price to a degree if hes 100% – Wasnt the hugest need imo, but agree 2 yrs isnt the worst
I started coming around to Bauer when Buehler said he hoped the Dodgers sign him. Two analytics nerds, with Buehler, perhaps being an even bigger one than Bauer. I’d love to be a fly on the wall for those deep pitching conversations with Bauer, Buehler, Kershaw, and Price. It’s bound to produce some good results with the kids. Btw, I like Mark Prior as pitching coach quite a bit. It’s all good in respect to the rotation.
For the post-season bullpen, if everyone is healthy, the Dodgers will have some amazing reliever options. Urias is a starter, but man he was deadly coming out of the pen in October.
This is by farrrrrrr the best pen in the last 9 years- Its what Im most excited to see shape into form
Im super excited for Knebel, I hope they take it slow with him. When he’s on, hes almost the toughest ab for a right handed hitter in the game out of the pen
Graterol as well, I think there was something wrong with him last postseason that they kept hidden….hopes he’s alright – Victor Gonzalez stole my heart all last year as well, anything near the same production would be amazing. Gonzo is going to be such a huge luxury as well to keep everyone on the staff fresh
Carrillo and Gray need to get some inns as well; that should be exciting/electric to watch in short bursts
Second great move by Cohen
1. Getting Lindor
2. Not getting Bauer
LGM!!
He only has Lindor for one year.
‘Cause the LAD will sign for 10 years $350 million?
Plus a lockout or strike comes during the year with the highest salary
Thank God the Mets didn’t sign him!
As a Mets fan I’m kind of relieved. He’s a good player but has a limited track record, a bizarre personality and that’s a lot of payroll on one guy who might pitch to a 4:00+ era next year.
It’s a better landing spot for him. He seems like a tool. NY press will call him out on that every time. LA won’t care.
Steve Cohen couldn’t afford him after getting pummeled by Game Stop and Reddit
lol, not true. Cohen supposedly made $2.5B last year….basically what he paid for the Mets. He is still work $13B+. He also just refinanced some debt and saved the Mets $50m this upcoming season. This was most likely up to Sandy.
I am a Mets fan and would hope that we would stop the blame game. Bauer is a really good bordering on great pitcher. He has more knowledge about his body in relationship to pitching then most pitching coaches. He used the market to get where he wanted to go, being from southern cal.. Time to move on.
That is stupid money given to a decent but not great pitcher… I am Skeptical on how it will work out, but for only 3 years even though the money is more per season, it is a much smarter move than the Yankees giving 9 years to Cole.
Huge waste of money on a 60 game wonder.
So the dodgers will pay Bauer in 2021 more than three teams will pay their entire roster. There is something wrong wth that.
Yes, those three teams need to fix that. If the Tampa Bay Rays can’t build on a World Series appearance, then they are doing something wrong.
They are. It’s called playing in a broken-down stadium in the Snowbird State. The Rays need to get out of Florida ASAP.
Are Rays native to Nashville?
No Ranger, but I decided they would be called the River Rays because of the Cumberland flowing right through the city. Kinda catchy. There has been talk about them moving here for years. With expansion delayed, hopefully those talks reignite.
Yes owners are cheap. But at the same time Indians, Pirates and Orioles are rebuilding. Paying a bit more money to basically be in the same place won’t make them better anyway.
It would keep them from rushing and potentially ruining their prospects, give more lower tier free agents decent jobs, and keep their fan bases from becoming overly depressed at having no decent players to watch while their team loses 100+ games.
How about signing Turner and packaging Davis to the Dodgers for Gonsolin . They could use a 3b. Could sign Ozuna for LF leaving Smith and Alonso to share 1b and DH
Why would the Dodgers want Davis? If he’s so good, the Mets should keep him…right?
It’s nice and all but can he play 3rd? Seriously though I don’t think we needed him with Kershaw, Buehler, Price, Gonsolin, May, Urias, and #1 prospect Josiah Gray expected to debut this coming season.
They didn’t need him for the regular season but will give them more options in the playoffs. They could easy move Urias and May to the pen and still have 4 quality starters for the playoffs
true. but it also gives them more depth for a full (hopefully) regular season- considering Kershaw’s iffy back and Buehler’s blisters.
So one “real” season of sub 4.00 ERA gets you 40 mil a year? Good luck with that. Even last year, this guy has never felt unbeatable or the slightest bit intimidating.
@j_butte I know you’re hating but you need to see your optometrist if you didn’t think Bauer was lights out last year. The guy throws absolute filth, and now with a higher spin rate and more control he can be dominating. I agree that two years and $85mm (obviously assuming he opts out after 2022) is steep and most likely an overpay but that’s what you get when you go short term. Overall I feel much more comfortable on a two year than five or six year big contract.
The league already said they will be cracking down on the illegal grip substance manufactured by that Angels assistant and used by Bauer,Cole, Verlander …etc. Will be interesting to see how that effects spin rate this year.
He looked good in 11 starts last year. Looked pretty bad in 2019 throwing the ball over the fence with the Indians and in general after joining the Reds. He’s a complete headcase. I wouldn’t want him near my team.
He’s always had good stuff and in 2020 it got even better and he located better. I think there is a good chance he has success with the Dodgers over the two years he’s there.
Yeah, he’s definitely not an easy going guy but you have to like the drive and fire if it is harnessed. I remember that game. I can understand the frustration. The Royals were putting the ball in play with soft contact. He botched a little dribbler. Issued a 3-2 walk on a close pitch. An outfielder lost the ball in the sun. It was a colossal frustrating inning. Not excusing it but I understand how that would feel for a pitcher. Not getting hit hard but then all of a sudden you’ve given up 4 runs in the inning and only recorded one out and hitting the showers. We’ve seen Kershaw do similar things. Ump squeezed him on a two-strike pitch then he subsequently misplayed a fielding play. Slammed the ball into the grass and then threw it into the dugout. You didn’t hear the same type of criticism against Kershaw. It was more like what a competitor, the adrenaline, the fire. It’s a two-edged sword for these guys. You like the fire but you need to calm them down at times.
Wow, that first opt-out might as well not even exist given that salary for Year 2. On the other hand, that 2nd opt-out is likely to be exercised, given he’d only be making $17M in Year 3.
How is this big news? Remember, the Angels just acquired Dexter Fowler, Alex Cobb and Robel Garcia! Farking joke of a team! Go Dodgers!
It’s always big news when u double pay.
Bauer = overrated
Padres to spend gazillion dollars assembling the second best team in history, finish second in their division and be out of the playoffs in a day after losing the wildcard game.
Insane overpay, if your Dodgers. Let’s hope he doesn’t opt out after year 2, walks with 85 mil., then goes back to Free Agency, and robs another team blind. On the other end, who would you rather face 4-5 starts a season against. The National League East, or National League West ? No brainer there….
Dodger fans. I would not worry about resigning Turner. They’re already well over the luxury tax threshold, so whatever it takes to resign Turner, should not concern them.
If Gerrit Cole had signed a 2 year contract, he’d be making $50M+ a year for sure. It’s not that much of an overpay. Those are the two prime years you really want to pay for, who knows how much longer he’ll be good.
The Angels really blew this one!!!
Negative
Another wasted Mike Trout season.
Imagine making more money than Mike Trout despite averaging less than 3 WAR per season lol
Trout signed a 12 year contract where the Angels take all the risk of him having a career-ending injury tomorrow or declining in his 30s. On a 2 year contract, he’d be making $60M+/yr easy.
How did you get $60MM/yr? Is that based on what Bauer just signed for?
Each 1 WAR is generally worth about $8M on the market. Trout will give you about 9 WAR a year. $72MM would be his true expected value based on past results, $60MM might be what he’d get due to fear of decline and injury.
Search for FiveThirtyEight’s “Mike Trout Is A $430 Million Bargain” article if you’d like some detailed analysis.
Who wouldn’t want to ride the coat tails of a champ, loaded to the brim with talent; to possibly another championship?????
Wow.
Player A – Player B – Both 29 – stats from 2015 to 2019 (not counting shortened 2020 nonsense)
4.60 – 4.04
4.26 – 3.21
4.19 – 4.49
2.21 – 2.94
4.48 – 3.81
Player A is Bauer. So a guy sporting worse numbers than Julio Teheran (Player B) over the last five years basically just signed a 2 year $85m contract. Meanwhile, Teheran got dropped by Atlanta because they didn’t want to give him a QO, and then only got $9m and summarily benched by the pitching atrocious Angels. Just unreal.
Bauer is nowhere near as good as he THINKS he is, but got to hand it to him, he talked himself up so much he got rich. I would definitely prefer him in a playoff series over Teheran, but those numbers are just nuts. Put it more simply .. Mike Trout is going to average $35m, Just crazy.
Majority of sports fans are too dumb to use logic. You can have a guy suck for ten years straight and if they have one solid year then they’re the greatest player ever. Happens every year. Just look at James McCann, Liam Hendriks and Bauer as the latest examples.
I have to say that there is more to evaluating players than baseball card stats. Teams are paying for future performance, not past, and there are metrics to justify their spend.
You’re making too much sense YankeesBleacherCreature. Imagine if you just flipped the baseball card stats and said the Dodgers are getting Teheran for 2 years and $85 million. I’m sure the Dodgers front office just said what the hell, let it all ride based on 2020 stats.
2020 wouldn’t have gotten him paid like this if it weren’t for 2018. Being great 2 out of the past 3 years is a trend.
@Chemo850 Let’s set aside the “dumb” sports fans. What are you saying about Friedman? Guy is not always right but he has a pretty good track record in building rosters. The two year deal softens the risk profile. I admit that there is risk but there is also a lot of upside.
He is not a ace. I Font know why any team would pay him like one. 2020 was a small sample size but a career 3.90 era come on the dodgers will be praying he ops out
OF coarse he’ll opt out after year 2 making 42.5m per year ave, and then half of that….. Unless he’s not healthy. He should be a solid over paid pitcher.
Aside from 2018 and the 60 game 2020 he has been exactly league average.
I heard the mets offered around 110 millions for 3 years or something close to the Dodgers offer…I guess he wanted to go home
My sources confirm the Rockies will be paying $20 million of Bauer’s contract.
662nd!
LAD is the preseason favorite for the WS. Kiki and Turner were big losses, however.
kiki not big lose
The Angels are like the Clippers to L.A. Will always be 2nd Fiddle.
You angry child 😉
What a joke! Rich get richer!
This is close to being a $45M/1 deal. That’s an extraordinary amount for a guy with 2 good seasons. Especially on a team with 6 other really good SPs.
I wonder if they plan on putting Price on the market. If he isn’t worth $15M, he’s got to be fairly close to it. The NYMs or LAA should be interested.
JoeBrady, I’ve been thinking the Phillies or Blue Jays. Until they signed Matt Moore, the Phils were headed for a fourth straight year without a lefty starter. Put Price behind Wheeler and Nola and you have a good front three. Likewise, the Jays need someone to pair with Ryu at the top.
I can see the Dodgers sending some money along with Price in exchange for a low-level prospect that someone in the Dodgers organization really likes.
It’s a three year 102 million dollar deal. Do you really think the man is going to put up numbers in years one and two of this contract that make him worth 40 million plus again?
He’s going to seek more than 17 million in that third year trust me.
The payroll is too high, the Dodgers is probably dumping David Price. Let’s wait and see.
Price to the Angels for Rengifo strait up, who says no.
Dodgers cover half of Price’s contract.
Dodger fans. I would not worry about resigning Turner. They’re already well over the luxury tax threshold, so whatever it takes to resign Turner, should not concern them.
Mets will deal for a pitcher who will blow away that head case. Mets need Reds’ RHP Luis Castillo and 3B Eugenio Suarez for OF Brandon Nimmo, 3B JD Davis, RP Robert Gsellman, and any prospect not named Baty, Alvarez, Allan, or Mauricio. Then let them sign OF Ozuna—best lineup, best rotation, both easily over everyone.
Metsfan22, is that you?
Yep, good call. The tipoff is the crummy trade package he’s been peddling for months. The same Metsfan22 who said his team would sign Betts as a free agent.
REDS FRONT OFFICE: You mean you’re going to give us both Davis and Gsellman? Zowee! Gimme summa dat!
It doesn’t take much to rent space in Metsfan22’s head.
um……if you want Castillo and Suarez you can’t say anyone is off limits……
But…but…but…Nimmo, Davis, and Gsellman. Three guys that a rebuilding team would never want. He must think rival GMs sit around trying to figure out ways to help the Mets.
I. Heard the clincher to the Bauer deal, with the Dodgers was that Magic was throwing in Free Starbucks, and Free Movie Tickets for life…
Send price back to Tampa so I can see him and archer pitch where they first had success.
Rays don’t want Price.
I hope for the Dodgers sake he wasn’t a half year wonder. Insane
37% wonder… 😉
Over the last four seasons, the Dodgers have averaged 102 wins per 162 games and been to three World Series. They will be fine but thanks for your concern.
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Ya but paying a guy 40 million who could put up an ERA north of 4 is not what led them to 102 wins.
If you think Friedman signed Bauer without taking into account the means needed to sign Seager you are delusional
Anyone who has paid attention to the Dodgers’ payroll knows that Friedman is thinking way ahead on everything. Let the good times keep flowing.
TREVOR BAUER at the Espy Awards… And, the MLB CON MAN OF THE YEAR AWARD GOES TO? TREVOR BAUER LOS ANGELES DODGERS.
I have never seen anyone try and fail @ so many jokes in 1 thread.
It almost seems unfair.
OK, so now the top three in the rotation are Kershaw, Beuhler, and Bauer. And there is still the trio of Urias, May, and Gonsolin. So, what about Price? He is iffy as to his potential for this year, given his age, recent years of inconsistency, and having taken last year off. We only have him for a year anyway, so he is not insurance for Bauer opting out after this year or the possibility of not re-signing Kershaw. I suggest the following possibility. Trade Price, cash, Lux, and Ruiz to the Cardinals for Arenado. That gives them a proven pitcher and two MLB ready prospects. Sign Turner and let him play second.
You’re funny, never in history has a team acquired in trade an elite player, and in the same off season traded him.
I wouldn’t touch Arenado’s contract. Not when Ramirez or Chapman would make more sense. Also, I don’t get why people are so anxious to trade Lux. My strong preference is to keep him. Btw, Muncy can take some starts at 3B if need be. The Dodgers are the defending champion and have options. I trust Friedman to do what’s best for the team.
If you put Muncy at 3B who do you put at 1B, which is an even higher offensive output position? I don’t think you can just plug in Beaty or Rios there over the season without suffering a lower output versus last year. Plus Muncy’s 3B defense is likely below Turner’s even with Turner in decline. I think the Dodgers will make some kind of trade and/or sign Turner.
Tell that to Rollie Fingers and Mike Piazza.
In any case, the Cardinals traded for Arenado to improve their weak offense to win now. They don’t need pitching or prospects.
Three years with two opt outs, so essentially a series of one year contracts as he can leave whenever he chooses.
Probably puts an end to the Turner era unless he takes an incredibly team friendly deal to return. Could happen as interest hasn’t been there. If not the Dodgers will need to find a RH to platoon with Rios on the cheap
Not if we get rid of Price’s huge and risky contract and sign then sign Turner
Half of Price’s contract is being paid by the Red Sox, and it’s only for the next two seasons. So it’s really quite small and not at all risky.
So far, the Dodgers are 1-for-1 in the risky Price era.
And the bill got comp’d the first year!-
Price is a tricky animal to gauge. I think teams would at least like to see him throwing at camp before pulling the trigger.
He could very well end up being a nice lil feather come Oct tho ……..
I think it makes a ton of sense to offload before next year but if the offers dirt poor right now id say just hold off at least until the TD
Dodgers got a buncha late teen/ low 20’s prospects blocked that would be boarderline top 10’s on other teams……… Id think if they needed relief (250 line) 2 of those would easily off load Kelley and help the 40 crunch down the line
Big trade for a 3b coming?Dodgers have the resources to acquire Ramirez with controllable kids.C,P,INF,& OF are plentiful.
I’ve been thinking Ramirez with a possibility of him reuniting with Lindor in ’22.
May,Lux + Ruiz for ramirez.
It would take a ton to get Ramirez (around $80M surplus value) and we haven’t heard a peep about him being available, but with Turner still looking for work who knows?
I’m thinking of a one-year deal with Astrubal Cabrera, who is a switch-hitter and can play both 3B and 1B. Still a productive hitter who put up solid numbers in his most recent stint with the Nats (71 RBI in 90 games). The Dodgers have had good luck with those “veteran presence” type players in recent years. Multi-position, cost-effective.
We needed to bio-freeze Freese
I like Todd Frazier but no qualms w Drubal if thats the route-
They know more than us w Turner, and altho I value a FO that has sentimentality, I dont want it near driving the bus
Feels like a stopgap move, but for who? Rios?
Hoese
Freese was a tremendous pickup. I’m assuming Friedman is not done but am not gonna worry about player personnel moves. Looking forward to the first full season of the Betts era. It’s amazing to think Dodger fans still haven’t been able to watch him live in that uniform. That will be quite a day whenever it happens.
True story. We rolled our season tickets from last year but we still have no idea when we’ll be able to go to a game.
Beast mode move by the World Champs!
History is made to be altered. Seriously, I am just having fun.
Not sure about this one. Less years is better now and days.
Dodgers need to trade either May or Gonsolin to the Mariners for Kyle Seager – solves the 3B problem and might give his brother some incentive to resign so they can continue to play together after 2021
They could get Seager for their 30th prospect while having Sea eat 25% of the bill- I like May and Gonzo too much to give them away for free
If the Dodgers traded May or Gonsolin, it would be for a better 3B than that. I love Corey Seager but am not worried about his free agency. Even if he signs elsewhere, the Dodgers will be just fine.
Kyle’s contract is negative value so the Mariners get nothing for him unless they pay it down, by at least half. He’s also only signed for this year. Aside from the cool value of seeing the Seager brothers play together it’s a total loser for the Dodgers.
No team is going to trade for Kyle Seager. If he is traded, a player option for about $17 million kicks in for 2022
With a buyout for 2022 that doesn’t seem overly large. Still, his current market value is about half of what he’s owed, and he’d be a downgrade over bringing back Turner.
” He may well have won the AL Cy Young with the Indians that year ”
Really? He missed 4 starts? He could have beaten Snell? Really? Are you predicting 4 straight no hitters?
The garbage MLBTR’s spews.
Kyle Seager is too old to give up a young MLB ready talent like May or Gonsolin for, especially one who, either of like those guys, figure significantly in current and future plans. If the price is lower, then maybe.
Considering the state of baseball economics, it could only have been 3-4 teams that could sign him. Not really news
Congratulations Mets
Dodgers stand the best chance of containing his toxicity
Seriously great job Mets
Look out Criss Angel, David Blaine, Lance Burton, David Copperfield, Penn & Teller, There’s a new master illusionist on the scene, and his name is TREVOR BAUER.
Dodgers are used to buying their way to success but this is overpay given the potential downside. Seems like a desperate move for a team that apparently wasn’t worried about the Padres and Braves. We all wondered which team would fall for the trappings of signing Bauer, a bit surprising it turns out to be LA.
Desperate? It’s essentially a two year deal man. Dodgers rotation is much better with Bauer. I’d gladly overpay over two years versus Cole’s contract.
Championship team looking to get better. If it’s such a trap, then you should be thrilled. Btw, do the Brewers have any more Grishams to give away?
@cey penguin. Im not a Brewers fan, I brew beer.
How much was slipped to Rob Manfred this week to ignore two fleecings of this magnitude? Cards with Nolan and now Bauer.. A page right out of the Yanks/ Red Sox fiasco with the Bambino.
Fleecings? How so? And how could a free agent signing be considered a fleece? Who got fleeced? Please give at least one specific example.
You keep posting how Bauer isn’t any good. If you truly believe that, then you should be thrilled that some other team signed him. By the way, who is your team? Or is it too obvious a question to ask?
Today’s news led me to revisit the song “Clever Trevor” by the late, stupendously great Ian Dury. While Trevor in the song has his critics, it doesn’t bother him because he does what he wants to do when he wants to do it. Maybe we all need to be more like our Trevor. Can it happen? Never say never.
Knock me down with a feather
Clever Trevor
Widebrows wonder whether Clever Trevor’s clever
Either have they got
Nor neither haven’t not
Got no right to make a clot
Out of Trevor
This reminds me of the Lakers signing Dwight Howard the smiling clown. Kershaw will be channeling Kobe frowns by mid-season.
It just baffles me how 73 innings in 2020 is what determines this guy getting 32 million a year.
We didn’t need him to win the world series. I believe Kershaw, Buehler, Urias, Gonsolin and May did the job. This is a transaction a fan makes, not a serious GM. The Dodgers now to make room for David Price and this guy. Price, who wasn’t better than any of the guys from the 2020 staff in 2019, should be put in middle relief.
Trevor Bauer has 3.90 era over 9 years. He’s 75-64. In 9 seasons , only twice has he posted an era under 4.00, and one of them was abbreviated. Horrible use of resources.
Andrew Friedman is noted for his smart use of resources. That is his reputation throughout the game. He is the reigning MLB Executive of the Year. Thanks to Friedman, we are in the midst of the best run in franchise history and are really just getting started. If you can’t enjoy these Friedman/Roberts teams, then Dodger baseball just isn’t for you.
Friedman made far smarter decisions on the Rays. When these guys are given bigger payrolls, they roll the dice more and end up wasting it.
Wow. It’s fair to criticize the deal but now you’re accusing Friedman of making a fan trade and he’s not a serious GM?
Urias, Gonsolin, May and Price are not sure things. The opponents are getting better and the Dodgers lost some pieces. They signed the most impactful free agent in the market. Steep price? Sure but only over two years. Definitely some risk but over only two years but definitely lots of upside. Also we had to get Price to get Mookie. There are concerns about Price but the Red Sox ponied up cash and he could still be a good pitcher. Anytime someone writes average era in his career…I tune out a bit as if his era five six seven years ago matters. Good or bad. You think his stats over last three seasons matter more? Did Cole get paid over his years with the Astros or over career stats?
I wouldn’t call it a “fan trade”, maybe a bit reactionary but the Dodgers probably felt like they had to do something after watching the Padres completely rebuild their pitching staff since the end of august. David Price is a wild card and may not even pitch for the Dodgers as we have seen Friedman make some interesting trades to move salary in years past.
If Cole had a year with the Astros like the bad one Bauer had just 1.5 years ago with the Reds then …but then Bauer has never been Cole and that’s the point.
@Mr. Met- I wonder how you feel about today?
It’s funny how people discredit Bauer as an ace because he pitched in a weak division. I think i recall in his last game he pitched 7.2 innings of 12k 0BB, 2 hit ball against arguably the best offense in baseball…i’d say his stuff plays on an elite level.
Ace? I don’t really know what qualifies as an ACE, but he was last year. I think they just don’t think he’s consistent enough, we’ll see in the next couple years I suppose.
Im sorry this has to stop, MLB needs to step in and say no! Its way beyond a hard salary cap and a floor. Bauer who has a questionable track record and attitude is making more in ONE season than the entire payroll of the Orioles, Pirates and Indians or whatever they call em now for 2021. Literally 3/4s of the league is a AAA team now. NBA is ruined with super teams and MLB is heading towards the same path.
Im sorry this has to stop, MLB needs to step in and say no! It’s way beyond a hard salary cap and a floor. Bauer who has a questionable track record and attitude is making more in ONE season than the entire payroll of the Orioles, Pirates and Indians or whatever they call em now for 2021. Literally 3/4s of the league is a AAA team now. NBA is ruined with super teams and MLB is heading towards the same path.
I tend to agree with you. I’m a dodgers fan and selfishly love having bauer in the team but you are right. It’s not fun to watch teams not have a chance. People argue that they don’t need a salary cap because the highest payroll doesn’t always win the WS….well that’s just due to dumb luck. it’s a crapshoot once you get there, sure…but look at the payroll if teams who make the playoffs snd the teams who miss it andyou will see by snd large $ gets you to the playoffs, then all bets are off. If not a salary cap, at least have a salary floor
The problem is not Bauer. The problem is not the Dodgers. The problem are teams like the Orioles and Pirates, incompetent organizations.. The problem is also the Rays, which takes the revenue sharing dollars but does nothing to grow their market and grow a long-term fanbase. The owner of the Rays has said he has no intention of selling, which means he’s making a lot of money. That’s the problem, not the Dodgers.
Even with a super team is not a guaranteed WS and even if those teams pay a little more it won’t change their outcome.
I hated the signing at first. I hated the idea when it was Bryce. But after looking at the numbers for 22 & beyond, I don’t hate it anymore. I still don’t like it. But this narrative that we’re going to lose all our core is silly.
First of all, the ownership group has the money. They can eat all the tax. And as someone said, the really painful penalties don’t come until the 3rd offense. For 2023, all the hold ups come off the books and they are set to EASILY be under a $210 threshold, which could be even higher in 2023.
As for 2022, let’s say the CBT IS $210 again. Dodgers guaranteed for $124.5. they’re gonna let Joe Kelly go, that’s 12M off. 112.5. let’s say they give Corey $32 AAV. 144.5. Belli goes up to 25. 169.5. buehler’s goes up high and kicks to 15. 174.5. let’s say JT gets a deal for $14 AAV. $188.5. let’s say all the other Pre-ARB/ARB 1 deals round out $15. $203.5MM.
This is obviously without re-signing Kershaw (most of us are okay letting Jansen go). But it’s ALSO without trading Price, Pollock, and/or even Muncy (just because we have upcoming studs that are athletic and could allow them to move Seager to 1b).
Even if Bauer does NOT opt-out… Dodgers could still retain Seager, Buehler, Bellinger, AND Kershaw.
I know you haters had your hearts set on breaking up the band, but… it will only happen if the Dodgers ALLOW it. Not because they can’t.
Congrats to Bauer! What great timing he had in pitching great in a super short season (37%). Short is the key word, if it were normal 162 last year, his SIERA says that 1.73 era of his, was not sustainable. Good for him thou, Get That Money!
Then why are so many businesses leaving California?
Because our educated diverse population creates so many businesses that there’s always plenty to spare and no need to beg them to stay with special deals because they’ll be easily replaced. But what does this have to do with anything?
It was posted earlier in response to a statement that Bauer won’t pay anything in taxes because he is a business. Not sure how my post ended up here also.
For that price you could provide three hospitals in underserved communities, and provide housing for California’s enormous homeless population. Instead, let them eat cake.
The Dodgers are not the government.
This will be the worst contract in MLB history! Wow what a dumb overpaid contract! No one player is worth that!
The Dodgers have the deepest and best 40 man roster in MLB. No team is better equipped to navigate a 162 game season as a result.
They also have seven SP to spread innings throughout the season so the top three of Buehler, Bauer and Kershaw will be rested come playoff time. And the Dodgers top three SP match up with any team.
Most teams would be happy if their rotation started with the Dodgers bottom four SP – Price, Urias, May and Gonsolin.
… and I forgot Josiah Gray.
People get mad at the Dodgers for being a great organization instead of being mad at the Indians, Orioles, Pirates, A’s and Rays for being cheap and a dumpster fire.
So are you making an argument for a salary cap to create parity?
Sports Illustrated / Matt Martel roasted the Dodgers for the Bauer deal. His long story short: The resent Dodger front office is normally smarter than this/ big money/ not a need ect.
Kevin Brown
You have GOT to be kidding me! $85 million for two years for a pitcher that’s barely a .500 career pitcher? He’s only had three seasons with an ERA under 4.00 and has a losing record in the league he’s joining. 5-4 last year (not even CLOSE to Cy Young quality but…). Stop and think, in the next two years if he starts say, 25-30 games, he’ll be raking in around $1.5 million PER START!!!! If he pitches the new normal of about 6 innings per start, that’s a cool $250,000 PER INNING!! Almost a hundred grand for every out he records!!! For a pitcher who loses almost as many times as he wins when he goes out there!!! That’s LUNACY!!!! This doesn’t even take into account the problems his mouth causes on social media. This one individual will be making more money for playing every 5th game than the ENTIRE Pittsburgh Pirates team will make for playing every day. If I were a Pirate pitcher this worthless POS better pray for the DH to become a permanent thing in the National League.
LOL
AGREE 100%
BUT LAD PROBABLY FIGURES IT’S ONLY A 2 YEAR DEAL AS I’M SURE HE OPTS OUT AFTER 2022 OR HE’S A FOOL.
Think of it like a one or 2 night stand.
Mookie’s gonna be pissed he’s not the big dog salary guy.