Kolten Wong is staying in the NL Central, but the longtime Cardinals second baseman will don a new jersey. The Brewers announced Friday that they’ve signed Wong to a two-year contract with a club option for a third season. The PSI Sports Management client will reportedly be guaranteed $18MM on the deal, and the club option would push the total to $26MM, if exercised.
Milwaukee is plenty familiar with Wong, 30, after he spent the past eight seasons with the Cardinals — mostly as their everyday second baseman. He hit the open market earlier this winter after the Cards declined a $12.5MM club option in favor of a $1.5MM buyout — a decision that surprised many of their fans. Wong had an up-and-down tenure with the Cardinals early in his career, but he’s been a mainstay in the lineup since late in the 2016 season.
Over the past four seasons, Wong has settled in as a roughly league-average offensive performer, with much of his offensive value coming through a keen eye at the plate. He’s a .273/.356/.398 hitter in that time and has added some value on the bases as well, swiping 43 bags in 56 tries (77 percent).
Where Wong truly shines, of course, is with the glove. He’s established himself as the game’s premier defender at his position, securing Gold Glove wins in each of the past two seasons and standing out as the runaway leader at second base in Defensive Runs Saved in recent years. In fact, over the past three years, Wong’s 41 Defensive Runs Saved are the fourth-most for any player at any position in all of Major League Baseball. Ultimate Zone Rating and Outs Above Average are similarly bullish on his glovework in that time.
With the Brewers, Wong will surely slot in as the everyday option at second base due to that defensive wizardry. That will displace Keston Hiura, but he’s more of an offensive-minded player with questions about his defense at second base anyhow (-13 DRS in 1085 career innings).
There’s been talk of getting Hiura some work at first base in the past, and a deal with Wong figures to push Hiura there on a a near-everyday basis. The Brewers don’t have a set option at first beyond journeyman Daniel Vogelbach, who hit well for them in a small sample of 2020 at-bats but was also designated for assignment by a pair of clubs prior to landing in Milwaukee. His grasp on the job wasn’t exactly strong, and he’ll now likely be used as a bench bat, spot starter at first base and designated hitter during interleague play.
Prior to signing Wong, Milwaukee projected to carry about an $85MM payroll, per Roster Resource’s Jason Martinez. Wong’s $9MM salary still won’t bring them to the $97MM they’d have opened with in 2020 (prior to prorating), and the Brewers’ payroll is still nearly $40MM shy of their 2018 payroll levels. With Jurickson Profar, Enrique Hernandez and Tommy La Stella all commanding $6.5MMM to $7MM annually on multi-year deals, it seems Wong was intent on setting himself apart from the pack in terms of annual value, which he managed to do on his new deal.
Serious talks between the two sides were first reported by Ken Rosenthal of The Athletic (Twitter link). MLB.com’s Jon Morosi reported that an agreement was in place, and Rosenthal then broke the terms of the deal.
baseballpun
Brewers have never met a second baseman they didn’t like.
statman
Wow, a lot of money for this type of player … I’m pretty sure this is a wong move for the Brewers.
iml12
The guy has been 3-5 War player the last 3 years. This seems like a great signing.
DTDATL
iml12, no one knows how many wins he is worth because that cannot be proven no matter how many formulas stat nerds try to come up with.
iml12
I guess you can also look at his gold gloves, obp and limited strikeouts and determine he’s probably pretty valuable.
l9ydodger
And I’m sure he will try to show the Cardinals they made a Wong move in declining his option!
eddiemathews
Are you Jeff Bridich?
Deadguy
He is pretty valuable I’ve watched him as a fan for 8 years now. Hit a walk off homerun against the giants in the NLCS. For how small he is he can generate quite a bit of bat speed which gives him a bit of power for a top of the line up type. He has some of the best speed in the game. His sprint speeds used to be elite, his defense is elite in every category or has been for the last 3 years. One of the best Second basemen we’ve seen in St Louis over the past 30 years. I’m sad to see him leave, especially for the Milwaukee Brewers. If the Cardinals weren’t so rightfully high on Tommy Edman he would have been back in the fold. Good Luck Kolten Wong, it was a good 8 years.
seth3120
Wong is great on another team. But let’s face it other than the occasional clutch homer he can’t hit and we need to score runs. Just not a good fit for the Cards going into 21
milbaybreckers
this comment seems silly. Trout has the most war the last 10 years, but since “that cannot be proven” … might as well pay him league minimum <–eye roll
StlSwifty
He’s worth every penny. Great player. Plays the game hard. As a fan of defense, I’ve enjoyed watching him the last 8 years. Best of luck in MIL. He will surely get a standing ovation when the brewers come to stl.
JoeBrady
no one knows how many wins he is worth because that cannot be proven
================================================================
Extraordinarily silly comment. Of course no one knows precisely what a player is worth. No one precisely how much more a single is than a walk, or how much more a HR is worth than a double. Nor can anyone calculate how much a great play is worth in terms of morale, or pitches saved.
Is there a reason for pointing out everything in life which cannot be precisely measured?
themed
Definitely an overpay
earmbrister
Well he’s no Matt Carpenter …
Francys01
I am glad that Wong signed. We have Edmundo Sosa that could play second base when he is ready. Tommy Edman for now can play second base or we could sign someone via free agency. Wong is a great defender, but its time to move on. Jonathan Schoop and Jonathan Villar would be a good fit for the Cardinals, although the team is really good as of right now. We just need to re-sign Yadi.
SimbaHOF2019
Schoop would be good at this point. Sosa had a bad winter league. seems he’s regressing alittle..
Edmans is better floating. thats his highest value.
baseballpun
I wonder if Gorman could play 2nd, now that he’s likely blocked at 3rd (barring an opt-out by Arenado).
oldmansteve
There are questions about his ability to stick at 3rd, let alone 2nd. Yet, if Mike Moustakas can be a 2nd basemen then why not?
mrperkins
Big no on Schoop for me. Guys with his horrid bb/k ratio do not age well. Career OBP under .300. I’d rather go with Edman, Sosa, and give Carpenter a start a week to keep him ready for pinch hitting and spot start duty. Or even Gorman if he can handle it.
guinnesspelican
Gorman was headed to right field as soon as Arenado signed
cards81
They said on the radio that Gorman will take some fly balls in the minors
Rsox
With Arenado now in the fold Edman and Carpenter will likely both see time at 2B. Only way St.Louis signs Schoop would be if they could find a taker for Carpenter, which seems unlikely
Catuli Carl
Lol why do you need to re-sign Yadi? He’s waaaay overpriced for his value now.
baseballpun
You don’t know what he’ll be paid, so you don’t know if he’ll be overpriced.
cards81
Overpriced? Who said anything about how much he will be making…With Arenado and wainwright on board he is definitely coming back…Yadi is still a great catcher no matter his age…he will be the bridge to Herrera…he might get a one year deal with an option
Francys01
Catuli Carl- Molina is the leader of the team. Many of us/ Cardinals fans could say he’s the captain of the team. When we traded for Arenado, that meant that there is no way that Yadi is leaving the team this year.
its_happening
Carl, I hope the Blue Jays overpay for Yadi to build and lead the clubhouse. Analytics cannot put a proper price tag on his baseball IQ, experience and leadership.
Lanidrac
On his previous contact, yes, but Yadi’s only going to get 9 digits a year going forward.
brodie-bruce
i hope yadi doesn’t go to the jays mostly because i want him back but if you do get him you can shave a run off your whole staves era. even though i’ve come around to the advanced metics there are just some things you can’t plug in formulas and that’s the intangibles. yes i know yadi is older and and he isn’t the player he once was but yadi intelligence of the game is what makes him special. he is like a coach on the field and pitchers trust throwing to him and he knows how to calm pitchers down when thing start to get away
its_happening
Agreed Brodie-B. Wanted Yadi to help the pitchers as they have starters who are lost on the mound. Wanted Yadi to help Jansen, Kirk, and the young core in-need of direction. He’s the leader they need.
Deadguy
They have resigned Yadi, but I have not seen an article with the details of that signing. Letting Carpenter play 2nd isn’t a bad idea, but he’s not Kolten Wong. Playing second would help his shoulder that has tendinitis in it relax a bit more than playing 3rd. But I think that’s dreaming. Edman is the reason Cardinals declined Wongs option. He makes the most sense at second outta Carpenter, and Sosa, and makes more sense there than robbing playing time from the young outfielders the Cardinals still haven’t figured out really.
brodie-bruce
i heard on 101espn (local sports radio in stl) that yadi wants to wait til there done playing in Puerto Rico before he signs and i heard that on either thur or fri last week.
cards81
Yea I heard that also…something about it being difficult to sign a contract while playing in another league…they also said Yadi admirers Arenado so he definitely will sign a contract now
Luckybrew
This is a huge improvement over Hiura in fielding and can actually make a throw to 1st.
la verdad
Ms. baseballpun never met a 2nd basemen she didn’t like either.
mlbfan9764
@baseballpun – actually they did, although he would never play a game for them.
thebaseballfanatic
Two years??? More competitive market than I thought
vinnie
Brewing something
Monkey’s Uncle
“swiping 43 baas in 56 tries”
Wait, Wong is a sheep thief???
Ducey
He looked sheepish after each swipe
Chief Two Hands
And he gets away with it, too. Our justice system is so broken…
Deadguy
Really it is. They system is a joke, just ask anyone being fingerprinted for marijuana in 2021.
Rangers29
Yes! Let’s go Brew Crew! Take back the Central!
I love this move, but where does it move Hiura? In the article it says 1B, but I wouldn’t be surprised if 3B was an option. Let Urias and Arcia fight over SS.
theodore glass
Hiura doesn’t have much of an arm him at third doesn’t make sense. I guess Vogelbach gets DFA.
Rangers29
The Brewers are kind of in need of a 3B then because Urias and Arcia on the left side won’t cut it. Gyorko? Matt Carpenter?
ItsStillMillerPark
dont want that trash. trade for Jose Ramirez. give up the talent. Get it done. Counter the cards move of getting Nolan.
cards81
Brewers don’t have the talent to get Ramirez…
Rangers29
There are very few teams that are capable of making a Ramirez trade, and the Brewers aren’t one of those. They don’t have enough prospects. It would have to be Hiura and then all 5 of their top 5 prospects (that might not be enough either). The tribe is gonna get a haul for Ramirez, and imo the Dodgers are the only conceivable team; in my mind, to be able to do it.
brewerswin
Josh Turner?
Rangers29
Forgot about him. He’d be perfect if he wasn’t “long term”.
Such a deep voice.
cards81
Turner would be a good signing for the Brewers
Chief Two Hands
Who?
stymeedone
Cleveland is not moving Ramirez. They are not rebuilding. He is a cornerstone of their team as they attempt to win.
weo
That’s a ridiculous statement.
Steve(shs22)
Lmao , sorry but did you see what rockies got for Nolan …also the Indians got for Lindor ?
I think one top 5 prospect , a young role player and a pitching prospect in ur teams top 30 gets a Ramirez deal done.
mlbfan9764
@Rangers – yeah, I agree with the Dodgers (if they want to make the decision) to trade for Ramirez if Turner negotiations fall through. They can dangle a number of players that have some MLB experience and position players blocked at SS (next big contract), 2B, 1B, CF (big contract coming), C and RF (10 year contract). One player is Gavin Lux.
daveineg
Vogelbach hit very well in September. He’ll still be valuable playing once or twice a week at 1B and being a dangerous bat off the bench late in games. He won’t be DFA’d unless he doesn’t hit in a reserve roll.
andrewgauldin
Keston to Left? DH?
angt222
I’m wondering if MIL is in talks to move Hiura for pitching or another position of need.
Luckybrew
I have to think he might be part of a trade involving a 3rd baseman or a starting pitcher.
Nate 16
No way they trade Hiura right now
He will go to 1st, Vogelbach can’t play everyday and can’t really play defense at all. Need 4th outfielder, 3B and another SP yet but this is a good start.
daveineg
Trading Hiura now would be a mistake and selling low. He’s not a bad fielder, His problems were with his throws. He’s not your prototypical first baseman but he’ll be all right there especially playing with a gold glover next to him. Having less pressure on him defensively should help his bat too.
mlb1225
That or first base. He played a decent amount of outfield in college, so he has the experinece there, but 1B might be a more pressing need for the Brewers since they already have Yelich, Avisial Garcia and Lorenzo Cain on hand to play the OF.
Rsox
I think we need to start to accept the fact that the players union is not going to cede anything and the NL will not have a DH in 2021. I think Nelson Cruz finally going back to the Twins sort of confirms this
eddiemathews
There will be universal DH this year.
weo
How about DH or bench. Unless Hiura fixes his strikeout issues, he looks to be on the path of Greg Bird.
beerncheese
@andrew I agree. I have felt for a while Hiura is their left fielder. To me the Wong signing confirms it. Glad to add a LH consistent bat. Still need a power bat for a corner infield spot.
13Morgs13
I like this move for brewers
baseballpun
Given that they used the money on Arenado, hard to fault the Cards for letting Wong walk. But I think they’re going to miss his OBP skills at the top of the lineup and if they had re-signed him that infield defense would have been LETHAL.
I hope he is successful against everyone except the Cards. Always liked him.
Lanidrac
Well, Edman is no slouch in OBP or defense, himself.
Goose
Poor guy ended a World Series game getting picked off 1st.
gbs42
You have a long memory, Goose, though I recall that play, too. I felt frustrated and bad for the kid at the same time.
Jose Tattoo-vay
I was at that game. It took a long time for me to let go of the grudge I held against Wong because of that play.
iml12
This is a nice move by the brewers. Happy third Place Cubs.
Ry.the.Stunner
LOL @ you thinking acquiring Wong is suddenly going to boost the Brewers from 2 games under .500 to 2nd place.
iml12
It’s more about the cubs and reds inactivity and key losses. With that said, Wong is a great pickup. He strengthens their defense and extends the lineup.
brewerswin
Brewers also have a nasty bullpen with a decent starting rotation.
Hammerin' Hank
Yeah at least the Brewers are willing to spend some money to try to improve.
Nate 16
you are right in saying Wong doesn’t catapult them to 2nd place, however your logic is somewhat contradictive seeing as how being .500 could get them to 2nd place in that division. So Wong could improve them 2 wins and get them to .500 AND that could be good enough for 2nd place. The division is not good
EndinStealth
In the NL Central. 500 might indeed get second place.
Ducky Buckin Fent
Might get first.
revolver
Or first.The cardinals lineup isn’t good outside 2-3 spots. The pitching is quite pedestrian outside of Flaherty. Its a very blaahhh team in a very blaaahh division.
Lanidrac
The Cardinals have an excellent bullpen and a rotation with a lot of potential depending on how well Mikolas and Martinez are able to rebound. Don’t forget that they’re both former All-Stars.
2id
LOL @ you for not thinking this doesn’t improve the Brewers. LOL.
Sideline Redwine
Lol yep, Wong puts them over the top! One signing means Mil> Chi.
baseballpun
I think losing Darvish probably plays a lot into that equation.
stan lee the manly
And Quintana and Chatwood and Lester. Their rotation will sink the Cubs this year if they don’t put any money into it, but that’s how Epstein won. Draft bats and buy pitchers.
lewisbrinsonisgod
The Brewers were significantly better than the Cubs before this move. This just widens the gap.
revolver
Lmfao. You just made me laugh.
ABCD
Based on his handle, he’s living in an alternate reality.
Lanidrac
The Cubs still have the best offense in the division by a significant margin. If they had even decent pitching, they’d still be the division favorites.
2id
We can play the IF game all day but in reality the Cubs don’t have decent pitching.
gregstruth89
I’ll take Christian yelich over any cub player everyday. Kris Bryant is washed washed washed up
cards81
Please explain how the Cubs have the best offense in the central? The cardinals passed them up now, sorry to tell you…I think people are forgetting about Carlson and assuming he won’t matter or something…
iml12
Wong is the one player I wanted the cubs to sign this offseason . He checks every box. He plays great defense for a rotation of contact pitchers, high obp, can leadoff, and doesn’t strikeout. Serious swing and a miss by Hoyer. Hoerner could of moved to a super utility role after spending some time in the minors.
iml12
Cardinals lineup was pretty bad last year. Nolan Arenado helps but it’s not scaring anyone. Carlson had a 66 ops + last year. Let’s pencil him in for mvp.
its_happening
Did anyone on the Cubs bat their weight in 2020? Seriously, that offense was so atrocious they were exposed as a weak lineup last year.
lewisbrinsonisgod
Gee, Cub fans are stupid. What a shocker.
ItsStillMillerPark
excellent move. always loved wong. perfect hitter to get on base in front of yelich. They really need to trade for Jose Ramirez for third to have that big bat behind Yeli
tribepride17
Yeah and the Jets should trade for Patrick Mahomes because they need a QB.
Sideline Redwine
And why would Cleveland trade their best player? Who exactly would Mil be able to trade for him?
Maybe they could get Brooks Robinson? Craig Nettles? Oh wait! Robin Yount!!!
ItsStillMillerPark
“And why would Cleveland trade their best player?”
*Trades Lindor to the Mets for basically nothing*
Yeah the Indians have a good track record of NOT trading their top players huh? Lindor was the best player the Indians have ever had and got rid of him. Cant see why trading Ramirez is soooo far out of the realm of possibility,
gbs42
Lindor is a FA after this year and will make $20M. Ramirez is signed for three years at a much lower AAV. That’s the difference between trading one and not the other.
Also, Lindor was Cleveland’s best player ever? I don’t think so.
Nate 16
Exactly, that title would go to Rick Vaughn
S_man_2014
Ramirez would be a great fit for many teams! Do the Brewers have enough to outbid other teams? if so, are they willing to part with those assets?
its_happening
Brewers could settle for Asdrubal or Toddfather.
tribepride17
The Indians always trade expensive players nearing free agency (Lindor) and never trade players signed long term for cheap (Ramirez).
stymeedone
Ramirez is signed long term and affordably. Lindor was not. Can you see why now?
Hammerin' Hank
And Carrasco was signed for a couple more years for a very reasonable AAV. But that didn’t stop them from basically giving him away in the same trade. The Indians are all about keeping their payroll as low as possible at this point.
loota.
I always liked Albert Belle.
brewcrew08
Why would Cleveland trade their best player? Pretty sure they just traded Lindor
Cubsforever22
Ughhh, damn I wanted him. Need to sign schoop now and quickly and this point.
its_happening
Interesting signing by the Brewers. Maybe they want to contend in 2021 after last year’s abysmal offseason. Money is right. He is $2-mil per season better than Profar and Kiki. Nicely done Milwaukee.
ItsStillMillerPark
this kills two birds. Improves the defense DRAMATICALLY on the infield, and moves Keston out of second to maybe first, or DH if there is one. Keston was tough to watch out there defensively, but his bat is still elite and going to improve
its_happening
Definitely. Vogelbach is not the answer IMO. If Keston can move to 1B that would be beneficial for the Brew Crew. All Wong has to do is play strong D and get on base.
cards81
I think Miller park (or whatever it is called now) will be good for Wong…but most players would improve moving to Miller park
its_happening
Probably, cards81. If Wong can pump 10 bombs and table set the way he is capable, the Brewers will be very happy they made this decision.
Diggydugler
Seems like a bargain,
its_happening
Compared to Semien, absolutely.
Gothamcityriddler
Obviously there’s risk in any deal but I don’t see how the Brewers go Wong here. But as my mother used to say, two Wong’s don’t make a right. So there’s that too.
solaris602
A relative bargain for MIL, and Wong will have every opportunity to exact revenge on STL and make them regret the non-tender.
theodore glass
You mean the declined option.
solaris602
My bad
archboy
Wong will come outta the gate strong especially against Central foes – he can play with a chip. The only negative is when he hits a slump it’s hard. I wish we could have kept him but congrats Brews you’re going to love watching him play.
PutPeteRoseInTheHall
I didn’t even know they were interested
Franco27
Huge overpay for average player.
baseballpun
“With Jurickson Profar, Enrique Hernandez and Tommy La Stella all commanding $6.5MMM to $7MM…”
If they’re worth $6.5-7MM, Wong is worth $9M.
andrewgauldin
Wong, La Stella, Profar, Hernandez. In that order should be highest paid to lowest. All within 2-3 million of each other is fair.
letmeclearmythroat74
Way too much money for very limited production. I can’t believe limited power, decent defense and a lifetime .261 hitter is worth 9 mil a year. I think you could have got similar output from a player south of 3 mil a year
baseballpun
“Decent defense.”
“Wong’s 41 Defensive Runs Saved are the fourth-most for any player at any position in all of Major League Baseball.”
oldmansteve
Why argue with someone who uses batting average as a key indicator of success? They are a lost cause.
its_happening
Because if you can properly articulate why your opinion is better than the person using batting average as a barometer, you can argue. If you are questioning why you should argue it’s probably because you don’t have an argument to bring to the table, or you can’t articulate an argument. Saying someone is a lost cause is taking the easy way out and a losing argument.
themed
He’s a pretty good fielder not much power. Saying that I’m glad Cards didn’t spend that kind of money on him. Also glad the cubs didn’t get him.
baseballpun
If the other person will not listen to facts or reason, they can be written off as a lost cause.
But now we’re probably going past the use of batting average in an MLBTR comment thread.
themed
Also Wong would always be the guy to drench the walk off hitter with Gatorade. I always hated that.
letmeclearmythroat74
Thanks Cornhusker …. I’m old school , I don’t get caught up in most of the newer statistics. I believe they have merit but i also think old school ERA , average, OBP … also have merit. At least enough for me to know what 9 mil is worth. I know he’s a great defender … it’s hard to attach $$ to that in my opinion. Furthermore, I’m not arguing, never was. Just a baseball guy that likes to talk baseball. Sorry I didn’t meet you’re standard lol …
cards81
Well you did say decent defense…which Wong is for from that…so I think that was the problem…as a cards fan the Brewers should be happy and he is definitely worth that price tag
its_happening
Throat, that makes sense. I do believe there is still merit with the old school numbers and certain intangibles a player brings to a team. Also, I enjoyed your last line.
letmeclearmythroat74
In fairness … I’m a Reds fan , born and raised …. I know it’s dismal at times lol I haven’t watched enough of Wong to be a fair judge but I guess I’m stuck on seeing such limited offensive production for 18 mil … defense wins games too … Central should be interesting this year … I think Chicago and St Louis are the teams to beat but that’s why they play the games.
cards81
I agree that the Cubs and Brewers will still be in it…but Arenado changes the cardinals Line up…Goldy has someone to protect him..put Carlson in front of those two and he will see a lot of pitches to hit…this also helps Dejong as they will have to throw him more fastballs which he kills…cardinals should be tough to beat
its_happening
I’m not sold on the Cubs either. They’re probably fighting for 3rd with the Reds.
revolver
Name a position player with a bad BA who was not a good offensive player.
its_happening
Derek Fisher. Should I continue?
1984wasntamanual
I hope so. The worst thing that can happen to the cubs this year is for them to be hanging around still by the trading deadline and not sell everyone they get a decent offer for.
letmeclearmythroat74
Revolver … I read your question several times , trying to understand it. What’s the point you’re trying to make ? Theoretically , a position player with a bad BA… is not a good offensive player. So in essence that could be every player south of a .250 BA IMO.
mrmackey
I think you’re wong.
Marty McRae
I hate Billy Beane, John Fisher and the entire Oakland Athletics franchise for not getting him.
Rsox
I would like to see Schoop mash in Oakland
Franco27
Brewers heading the wong direction.
Vanilla Good
When Wong is right!
MetsFan22
Rich hill (Mets, Brewers, Rays)
Ozuna (rays)
Interested (not signings)
Articles should be up soon.
angt222
Very accurate. Good stuff
stubby66
I hate this idea. I would have rather seen they sign Franco to play third, have Urias play second and Huira at first..
MannyPineappleExpress9
What about Wil Myers though..?
stubby66
Would of rather had Myers over Wong too. I think the Brewers could’ve got him with the Padres eating over half his contract and signing Franco. Think that would have been more production and definitely cheaper. Gotta find someone to take Garcia contract on. Time to give Taylor rightfield. I also think it’s time to not keep signing any questionable backend SP unless it is Paxton or Walker. Time to just give Ashby, Lauer, Peralta, Brown, Barker and other farmhands.
Rsox
They can still sign Franco. Padres are all in so doubtful they trade Myers right now.
CNichols
Wil Myers is currently still owed 2y/$55M. Thats a lot of salary to move and the Padres probably don’t want to eat most of that.
I’m not saying Wil Myers is like the best player in the league, but he actually received MVP votes last year and finished 16th in voting. Small sample size, but he has been really good as of late. If you’re competing like the Padres are and you have a guy who has negative trade value because of his giant contract, but he’s still performing well on the field then you might as well hold on to him.
Once the deal goes from 2Y/$55M to 1Y/$22.5M remaining after 2021 though, that looks way easier to move. I could see them trading him to keep payroll down in 2022, but probably not until next offseason.
MannyPineappleExpress9
I was actually kidding, because stubby almost ALWAYS brings up a trade for Myers, I was just surprised he didn’t this time.
By the way stubby, I think we’ve been shown enough evidence that Peralta will never be a bona fide starting pitcher. I hoped adding to his arsenal last off-season would help him turn into one, but he can’t seem to get away from relying on his fastball too much. I’d be thrilled if he proves me wrong.
Bud Selig Fan
Fastball Freddy just now is entering his peak, has nasty stuff, and is a little better command away from being a mid-rotation SP. Houser also has elite stuff, 2019 had him with both his sinker and 4 seam top 5 in league. Lauer should be healthy, Lindblom gives depth. this teams rotation with the aforementioned and 2 of the best prime aged SP’s in baseball,Burnes and Woodruff headlining is nasty.
Then we have 3 of the hardest to hit pen arms in the game in Hader, Devin Williams, he of the highest K % in baseball history, and then surprise- Justin Topa, who?, 100 mph exploding sinker with a SL that moves horizontally more than any SL in baseball, good luck RHH with that arsenal.
But there’s more. Suter’s back to frustrate hitters again with his speed pitching, and another 100 arm, but with 4 pitches, Drew Rasmussen, a future starter that will pitch out of the pen. Then there’s more interesting pitching in the upper minors for depth.
stubby66
hey atleast I’m consistent lol. The more I’m reading the comments I’m feeling better about the signing. I do overall like our pitching to the point I don’t want to see any signing of pitchersin unless it’s Paxton and Walker.i definitely wanna see Taylor get regular playing time.
609Collectibles
Very Brewers-like signing
baseballpun
Was kind of hoping he’d end up on the Angels or somewhere else where he can’t hurt anybody.
PhilliePhan
I got this one Wong in the contest.
Franco27
Is it Wong to question if this is a good move?
Bluemarlin528
Well played Brewer nation
Rebelbound Tim
As a Cardinal fan, I’ll still be rooting for him.
baseballpun
Especially against the Cubs.
2ndCity
Feel like rosario would have been a better fit but this is a good move for the brewers anyway
yewed
He’s an average hitter, he’ll steal some bags, above average defender. His DRS over the last few years puts him in the top 5 in baseball at any position. There have also been a couple years where he had a wRC+ of 108. Going to that park (still can’t say the new name) can only help his offensive numbers.
If no DH this year they probably slide Hiura over to first. He can’t be any worse at first than he is at second.
I think it’s a solid signing for the Brewers.
bradthoc
Sucks to see him go to a rival. Having the potential of Wong at 2B, with Goldschmidt and Arenado at the corners was a great infield makeup. I don’t know what Cardinal office saw. I guess Carpenter is the block though.
cards81
Only thing Carpenter is blocking is payroll space…with Wong the cardinals would of had the best infield in baseball…but taking on Arenados contract I think they were comfortable with Edman taking over second base…who isn’t bad himself
yewed
Wong and Edman are both basically 1 WAR players. With Wong making far more than Edman. You sign Wong now you have Edman and Carpenter to find playing time for. You are also looking at possibly bringing Molina back.. Not to mention the questionable contracts of Carpenter, Mikolas, Fowler and Miller.
I think Wong may have just been collateral damage. and bad timing.
cards81
Well carp, Fowler and Miller come off the books after this year…which will be exciting to see who the cardinals invest in to make this an even better team
yewed
Oh definitely, Some huge names available next year. St. Louis is going to have some room to do some damage if they play their Cards right.
Sorry, couldn’t resist. Seriously, they’re in a good position going forward.
cards81
Also Gorman, Libertore, Herrera, and Thompson are all projected to be MLB ready next year…understandably that doesn’t always pan out, especially with the lack of playing because of COVID…but I think the cardinals invest in pitching…maybe finally see Scherzer come home to the cardinals
bradthoc
Speaking of Gorman, any chance they look at getting him work at another position? Assuming Arenado remain STL for the long haul? Or does Gorman become a major league ready trade piece next offseason?
stan lee the manly
They need his bat too badly to trade him. There is talk that he will be given a look in the outfield this spring. I wouldn’t mind him there or at second, both will be positions of need in the next couple of years.
kripes-brewers
So lineup:
Cain, CF
Wong, 2B
Yelich, LF
Hiura/Vogelbach, 1B
Robertson/Lopes/Mathias/???, 3B
Garcia, RF
Arcia/Urias, SS
Pina/Narvaez, C
Pitcher
Of course there’s a DH possibility yet, which I would imagine Vogelbach or Hiura would get, but I’ll bet we see Braun back to go after 2,000 hits if that happens. I don’t like that hole at 3rd…
bauertododgers
yeah thats a pretty sick lineup
2id
Only thing thing I would do different is flip Wong and Cain. so you would have L,R, L . I honestly never understand Yelich batting 2nd. With Wong and Cain you now have two high OBP guys in front of Yelich and Hiura.
kripes-brewers
You may be right. I just really enjoy Cain leading off. Get that guy on base, and there isn’t anyone else in the league with better base running IQ. With Wong’s OBP, that puts Cain in Scoring position sooner. Then Yeli hits him in and you’ve got that elusive first inning run the Crew has needed so badly the last few years…
Rsox
The Brewers badly need a 3B that isn’t a utility Infielder by trade. While Hiura is not a natural 3B he may be able to transition to the role but 1B is probably where he will end up as Vogelbach (other than having a very Wisconsin sounding name) is pretty much terrible in the field and questionable at best at the plate.
beerncheese
Hiura needs to play left field and that’s where he will be in 2022. We still need a 3B in my opinion. And a long term solution at 1B would nice.
Dan Hunter
It is a better signing than Lindor.
CNichols
Haven’t really followed Urias since the Padres dealt him, but to me this seems to be an indication that the Brewers might not think he’s a starting caliber infielder, unless they’re planning on plugging him in at 3B?
I guess there aren’t really a ton of 3B options on the market right now, but getting Wong when you already have Hiura and Urias seems like they’re stockpiling 2B options and then moving those guys into corner infield positions. Its not necessarily the worst approach, but I think the offensive output from Urias at 3B and Hiura at 1B is kind of low for corner infielders if that is the route that they’re going.
its_happening
I’d choose Urias over Vogelbach. I realize Vogelbach hit “well” for the Brewers but I saw enough of him in the Jays uniform to know he’s Japan material at-best. I’d give Urias a shot and sign a vet like Todd Frazier in-case of an emergency. Vogelbach can only play 1B, and he’s not a good enough player to warrant an MLB roster spot on a team looking to contend.
MannyPineappleExpress9
They used Urias at 3b last year. I suspect that will be the plan again, unless they add an actual 3b yet..which I doubt.
And if Keston has trouble making throws from 2b, I’m not sure i want to see him attempting that at 3rd.
YourDreamGM
Price is wong bob
Very Barry
A clear message is being sent to St. Louis ….. Milwaukee is planning on competing for the NL Central title adding Wong gives them the best roster on paper in the NL Central. St. Louis outfield is just bad right now offensively. You heard it here first. Milwaukee Brewers will win the NL Central. They have the best pitching and outfield in the Division.
cards81
They definitely do not have better pitching and the cardinals have the best infield…so go ahead and make your bad prediction
augold5
I wouldn’t sleep on Brewers pitching. Woodruff and Barnes are both Ace caliber pitchers and hader and williams could be the best back end duo in the game. Suter and Peralta are solid long relievers or back end starters as well. All it takes is one bounce back year from Lindblom, Hauser or Lauer and the Brewers are quietly looking at a Top 10 MLB pitching staff
brewermayne
@cards81- Exactly who does St. Louis have pitching wise that makes them better than Milwaukee?
Woodruff and Burnes are possibly the best 1-2 punch in the N.L Central. Yardley, Williams and Hader are a lethal 1-2-3 knockout trio in the bullpen.
St.Louis has Flaherty, I’ll give you that. Other than him I don’t see anyone else you have in your rotation that would scare Milwaukee, except maybe Wainwright. Wan and Miklos aren’t bad, but still they aren’t enough to top the crew.
baseballpun
The Brewers never look like the favorites on papers and this year is no different, but they always outkick the coverage. I think the Cubs pitching is going to sink them and it’s going to come down to the Cards and Brewers.
Crossing my fingers that the Brewers don’t sign Turner.
Cardsfan1981
I really hope this is sarcasm
revolver
WPA has Anthony Rizzo as the 2nd most valuable player in the major leagues after Trout since 2014. Come at me Sabre heads.
Jal179
Solid signing. I have no idea why the Jays signed Semen for $18 million/1 year when they could have had Wong for $18-20/2 years. Left handed bat, solid OBP, speed and gold glove defence would have been a significantly better add than Semen stains.
Kudos to the Brew Crew— this is one of the best FA signings so far in terms of value and predicted WAR return.
its_happening
Jal I hear you and agree with you. Only logical explanation is the Blue Jays aren’t sold on Bichette at SS and want Semien for 1-yr to make a run at one of the FA shortstops next offseason. But we’re apparently wrong for thinking this way.
Jal179
That’s an interesting angle I had not considered.
Personally, I’d be ready to backup the Brinks truck for Trevor Story to the Jays for a long term deal. I could see Bo then moving to 3B and Biggio at 2B.
Regardless, I love the WONG.
its_happening
Wong would have fit in that Jays lineup, man. Table set for the mashers.
My hope is Bo trends upward defensively and the Jays assess things after the 2021 season. Could be a trade to open the door for Martin, if Jansen (or Kirk) establish themselves at Catcher, and how the young pitchers respond in the minors.
If Bo turns into a good SS, Jays could pivot to 3B also.
LordD99
Or, they prefer Semien at 2B to Biggio and they also prefer Semien to Wong.
redsfan48
Hiura likely moves to 1B/DH, making his offensive breakout more critical. I took a look at his candidacy recently. maxsportingstudio.com/breakout-candidates-for-2021…
Ketch
The most important aspect of this deal is that for one more season, Keston Hiura will maintain his 2B eligibility in Fantasy Baseball. At least, that’s the most important aspect for non-Brewer fans and Hiura owners…
pmollan
Wong has a career .855 OPS at Miller Park (now AmFam Field).
JoeBrady
Nice signing for the Brewers. I was hoping that the RS would target him.
Question-He seldom seems to play 150+ games. Are all these injury-related?
Franco27
Prone to slumps and he is a head case.