9:57pm: The Angels are receiving $12.75MM in the deal, Maria Torres of the Los Angeles Times tweets.
9:28pm: The Angels will acquire switch-hitting outfielder Dexter Fowler from the Cardinals, per Bob Nightengale of USA Today. Along with Fowler, they’re getting cash considerations from the Cardinals, per an announcement from the Halos. That makes it clear this is a salary dump on the Cards’ part. Fowler waived a no-trade clause to make this swap possible.
The Cardinals signed Fowler to a five-year, $82.5MM contract before the 2017 campaign, but the former Rockie, Astro and Cub hasn’t necessarily lived up to the deal so far. Fowler, who will turn 35 next month, batted .233/.334/.408 with 49 home runs and 21 stolen bases in 1,500 plate appearances as a Redbird. He’s owed another $14.5MM in 2021, the final year of his deal, but the Cardinals are moving on after acquiring former Rockies third baseman Nolan Arenado’s massive contract earlier this week. Harrison Bader, Tyler O’Neill and Dylan Carlson look as if they’ll be the team’s starting outfielders in 2021.
Fowler should be a stopgap for the Angels, who have the preeminent player in the game in center fielder Mike Trout. Left fielder Justin Upton is also still in the fold, while high-end prospects Jo Adell and Brandon Marsh haven’t established themselves in the bigs yet. Fowler, who played under now-Angels manager Joe Maddon as a Cub, should keep the seat warm in right until one of those two are ready to take over for good.
“We think there’s a lot left in the tank,” Angels general manger Perry Minasian said of Fowler (via Nightengale).
What? Hopefully some good stuff is attached. I’m saying angels should be getting good stuff to take on bad contract
Don’t count on it. Fowler’s contract has been pretty bad for his lack of production over the past three seasons.
His 2018 was terrible, but he was perfectly decent in 2019-20.
Would anyone like to have Carpenter on the same deal???
I’m sure it is – going from the Angels to the Cards, that is!
What good stuff are you going to get for Dexter Fowler??
Sending pujols back
He said he’s saying the angels should be getting more in return than just fowler and cash
what is he sending? that may be the biggest trouble.
Welcome to STL Mr. Trout haha (obviously jk.)
Salary relief and roster spot sounds like the goal.
He could be talking from the Angels point of view. If they’re going to take on that contract for a player they don’t seem to need, they should be getting something good with Fowler.
Unless they’re sending a bad contract back to STL. Pujols back to the Cards? Lol
I’m guessing Perry is waiting till next year when pujols deal is gone to go spending. All the deals he has traded for or signed are 1 year in term. Next years free agent class looks stellar both in pitching and positionally.
This is a great move by the Cardinals by trading Fowler. Hopefully, we get someone back a prospect or a player that can help us/ team.
You think you’re going to get someone back? I think the angels will get something along with
Yeah with his contract I don’t think you’re getting back anything serious
“Yeah, with his contract, I don’t think you’re getting back anything [period].
Fixed it for you..lol
Seriously though, not only are the Cardibals likely not getting anything back, they’re likely handing over a HEFTY sum of money as well!!
The Angels will like take on Fowler and his contract, but the Cardinals are likely going to send the Angels roughly about 10mil..
IF that’s the case, THEN I could see the Cardinals maybe getting back a lottery ticket, like a 22 yr old, Single A or High A relief pitcher with a high K rate, but one that also has some command issues..
But, if it is anything less than 10 mil, then the Cardinals aren’t getting squat..
Hey cards! Do you really want one of the angels pitchers? They are all lottery tickets from single A to MLB
This is nothing more then a salary dump to make room for another signing outside of Molina.
Yeah, Cards are stealing the show lately. It seems like a lot of teams have been making series’ of moves in kind of a burst, or whatever.
Anyway, this coincides with the earlier report here of them being “in on” Odorizzi.
Sign Odorizzi & Schoop & maybe Duval & the Cardinals would look pretty good.
Stealing the show? They just sent fowler to the angels eating almost all his salary…..
There outfield really stinks if you are relying on badder 111 ops + and O’Neil 90 ops +, better hope carlson is legit real quick.
Rotation is also extremely bad relying on the corpse of wainwright and miles mikolas’ albatross contract.
Whats hillarious is if arenado craters and opts in cards are finished for the next decade.
Arenado opts in early, does well in year 1, team does not. Then he pushes for a trade again for a couple seasons. That’d be kinda hilarious too.
i’d rather see what edman and carp (mostly edman) at 2nd than getting schoop at worst we make a trade at the deadline for a 2 bagger. also we most likely sent a decent to high end arm to the halos for fowler and a possible lotto ticket
@tatskumaki Lol the cardinals will not be finished…their top 5 prospects…Carlson(who will already be in the MLB) Gorman, Libertore, Herrera and Thompson will be ready…along with the fact that Arenado and Goldy being the most unlikely players ever to “crater” the cardinals will be fine…please know about the cardinals before posting…it doesn’t make you look good
Ducky- the cardinals have Edman for second but I bet they do sign Ordorizzi now
Yea everyone jacking off to the cards is perplexing. Rotation is not as good as some suggest and an of of Bader, O’Neil, Carson is quite underwhelming. Better hope Carson becomes a stud Quick. Looked like he still has some developing to do based off last season.
@cards81 prospects are prospects until they aren’t. You can talk till your blue in the face bottomline is cards current mlb roster is thin at almost every position so much so that they trade for a huge contract player coming off his worst season to date. If you think arenado will be the second coming of goldy you should take a look at career splits home and away and then reassess if that’s really worth 30 million per season. So when he craters to a .250 hitter and ops in as his defense slips the cards with be standing there paying the large sum.
Cards played the worst competition last season (just look at the offenses in the central in 2020 made darvish and bauer look like aces) and they barely made playoffs. I get your a cards fan but try to be less of a homer and more of a realist
Carlson was looking like a stud before the end of the season last year…he will be one of the best before long…don’t be to jealous cubby fan lol
@cubsfoever22 exactly. They make one move for a guy at his lowest point and automatically forget how terrible their rotation is (so much that they had to bring back rag arm wainwright) and at almost every position outside of first base and hopefully third base. While that might be enough to get in playoffs because there no clear cut contender in central they have no chance against padres, dodgers, Mets, Braves and even nationals…
Ha ha ha…everyone talks about road splits and it’s ridiculous…cards fans went through the same thing with Holiday…well Holiday became one of the greatest cardinals hitter ever and that is saying a lot considering the cardinals history…plus the cardinals prospects should be held with high regard considering every time they trade prospects to other teams they are giddy…Arizona came out well trading with them for Goldy…Yankees came out well with Voit…Marlins happy with the Ozuna trade…Rays definitely happy with their trade…common denominator is the cardinals prospects pan out well…I’m excited about their future considering their top 5 prospects now…and it’s hilarious that people think the best third baseman in the league is going to get worse because he isn’t playing at coors lol…obviously you know nothing about baseball
Carlson .200/255/364 with a 30 percent strikeout rate . He was awesome last year!
Once again…he had some troubles in the beginning but overcame them and showed he was ready…plus it was a weird season…he was hot in spring training before everything got shut down…” He barely resembles the guy who was demoted in early September to their alternate camp, hitting .162 with a .215 on-base percentage and .243 slugging percentage, leaving Cardinals Nation to wonder if their No. 1 prospect was nothing more than an over-hyped suspect.
“The first time around,’’ Carlson said, “there was a lot going on. A lot of different voices, different things.
“The big thing for me to focus on was being myself, playing my game.’’
Carlson hit .277 with four doubles, a triple and two homers in the final nine days of the season, ”
Plus he was a big help in the post season
Good try though iml12 lol…exactly what I mean when people post stuff but actually have no clue
You can count on one thing next season, and that is Arenado playing some excellent defense, hitting anywhere from .280+, knocking out 30 some odd bombs, and driving in more than his fair share of runs..
The Cardinals also have quite a few intriguing, young arms they could use to piggyback off their starters out of the pen. Genesis Cabrera has shown some flashes, Seth Elledge has shown he has some quality stuff, and Junior Fernandez has some electric, strikeout stuff, and if he can work on his command, he could be downright filthy..
Jack Flaherty and Dakota Hudson are both most certainly the real deal, and they’ve proven themselves to be two bonafide TOR pitchers on a contender. Also, John Gant has proven himself to be an extremely underrated arm that can come out of the oen for multiple innings, or he could be an effective opener and give the Cardinals three to four solid innings. Then, you cannot forget about the human flamethrower that is Jordan Hicks that should be coming back, and he and Kim should be able to both lockdown the backend of their pen.
Also, two big pieces of their 2021 puzzle very well could be Carlos Martinez and Alex Reyes. There’s no doubt that they’re both two of the most talented pitchers in baseball, when they’re healthy. This upcoming season, Martinez and Reyes should finally be back to their former selves, and they very well could combine with Flaherty and Hudson to makeup one of the best foursomes in the NL. Now, that’s definitely a big IF, but with the likes of the aforementioned Gant and Cabrera, the Cardinals can start out using them both slowly, having them function as relative openers. They can ride Martinez and Reyes for the first 3-4 innings, and then they can turn to Cabrera, Gant, Ponce De Leon, etc. and one of those guys can work the next two or so innings handing the ball off to Miller, Kim, and Hicks to close things out..
With Hudson, Flaherty, Martinez, Reyes, Gant, Cabrera, and then the ever so steady Mikolas the Cardinals are easily setup to have plenty of quality rotation options..They won’t need Mikolas to pitch like an ace, all he will need to do is go out every 5th day and just give them a quality start, and Mikolas is more than capable of handling that easily..
Plus, speaking of Mr. Reliable, the Cardinals will still have Adam Wainwright basically functioning as their 5th starter..The Cardinals are going to be loaded with quality starting pitching options with Flaherty, Hudson, Mikolas, Wainwright, and then they can use Martinez and Reyes as openers working a six man rotation with guys like Cabrera, Gant, Ponce De Leon, Gallegos, etc. piggybacking of those two, then shutting the door with the likes of Miller, Kim, and Hicks..
The Cardinals aren’t going to need an all-world offense to get the job done, theyll just need some timely hitting from some of their guys, but they’re also going to be playing some excellent defense along the way too..
Between Arenado, Goldy, DeJong, Carpenter, Yadi/Knizer, Edman, Bader, and possibly some combination of O’Neil, Carlson, and Dean, the Cardinals should be able to score plenty enough runs to win themselves their fare share of games and come out on top of the NL Central..They also have a kid named Sosa that could come up this season and he could possobly add some pop to the Cardinals lineup if they need it. However, with three capable All-Stars in Arenado, DeJong, and Goldy they sh ou old be able to carry this offense. Just as long as the Cardinals get some timely hits from its supporting cast, and especially with a bounceback from Carpenter and Yadi, there won’t be all that much pressure on their outfield to score a bunch of runs. Even so, I think some of their guys like Edman, O’Neil, Bader, and Carlson they’re more than capable of breaking out and truly extending the quality and overall depth of their lineup.
The Cardinals mix of excellent pitching, quality defense, and with their offense improving they’re the easy favorites to take the Central crown. I would be ABSOLUTELY SHOCKED if the season ends and the Cardinals aren’t in first place above the Brewers, Cubs, Reds, and Pirates…(likely in that order)
He was terrible last year no matter how you try to spin it. Awesome he had a 2 good games down the stretch. No such thing as a cant miss prospect especially with a 30+ percent strikeout rate.
Thanks for the post Bravesfan88…and I mean no disrespect about this…but this is exactly what I am talking about when people post about the cardinals and really have no idea…you seem to know a little bit about the cardinals but obviously are missing some big points…1. Hudson went down with TJ last year and won’t pitch this year…but the cardinals will be fine and according to rumors will sign another pitcher…2. The out field will be O’Neill, Bader and Carlson unless they sign someone else or another talented minor league player takes their spot(possibly Dean)…3. Carpenter is done unless their is a DH…
We shall see iml12 but I willing to wager he was the player that came back after his start…good luck
Carlson wasn’t much help in post season they lost to a really bad Padres team.
Reyes. Al Avila is such an idiot. Can’t seem.to be creative.
Lmao cry some more. Y’all fans on here are OC this was a salary dump to make room for another signing behind Molina. & you must not watch must baseball Cardinals have a top ten rotation & a top 5 rotation our offense is what sucked.
I’m with Tats here
Carlson was awful last year. Are u high cards man?
Thats laughable coming from a cubs fan since they almost literally have no rotation. It may not be great but its not half bad. Flaherty is a stud, Kim looks great, waino eats innings, mikolas is a wild card but you have Hudson and ponce de Leon to trade in especially if they land odorizzi
Why do I keep seeing this “Cards are relying on Wainwright and Mikolas”? There’s a Cy Young contender that the Cardinals are relying quite heavily upon and you’re just completely ignoring him.
Hudson out for the season. TJ surgery
Yes, I know it was just a 60 game season, but this “really bad Padres team was 2nd in the National League in wins and 3rd in all of Baseball.
Defensively that’s one of the best OF in baseball. Just sayin
He’s 22 and had 110 at bats…they should totally get rid of him since that’s indicative of his entire career trajectory.
Nobody is saying he can’t be good or he should be cut but can we at least stop pretending he’s some guaranteed superstar. He might be good or might not be able to hit out of a wet paper bag.
iml12 carlson basically was trail by fire yes he would of benefited of a 1/2 season in aaa but didn’t happen and if we played a full season last year i’m sure they would of just work out his problems. i want see a full season or 2 from carlson before i make any judgements about him. i will say this how he played when he got recalled he looked real promising really rather bet on him than some of the fa outfielders that we’re available
How does nothing sound to u
How so? It weakens the lineup, and the Cardinals still paying almost all of his salary. Do you really want to see that AAAA failure O’Neill play every day?
How does this weaken our lineup O’Neil is 10 x faster & a better hitter at this point just stop.
Tyler ONeill, 25 years old has 410 AB with 21 HR and a .422 Slugging Pct.
Total failure. Especially defensively, where he ranks 99th percentile.
Fowler to LAA? Well John started pulling some string or what? Cardinals will be sending a good chunk of cash to Angels to cover the last year of Fowlers contract. Wonder if anyone else is involved? Good thing, they needed to dump Fowler or Carpenter. Having two players perform at sub replacement level making over 30 million combined is a bad place to be in if your making the playoffs. Sad it didn’t work out with Fowler in STL. Great dude, wish him the best.
What sub-replacement level? Fowler has been an average player the last 2 years! The guys replacing him like O’Neill are the sub-replacement level players!
Didn’t O’Neil just win a gold glove ? Lmao Fowler has been Below Avg since the day he signed with Stl♂️
Fowler is only DH at this point he is an awfull fielder for his whole contract with the Cards. i watched him every day and stats confirm.. Also TERRIBLE base runner.
Cardinals sending $12.75m. Its a freebie.
That’s almost his whole salary! Why didn’t they just release him!!??
yeah why didnt they just pay 16 million instead of 12.75
Probably because if the person they get back is in the minors it’ll clear a 40 man spot
John Mozeliak plays the game with honor and dignity. They didn’t just release Dexter Fowler out of respect for him. He showed up, did charitable things for the community, was a good teammate, and a respected presence in the Cardinals Club House. Yeah you could just release him but why do that when you can do good by another person?
They didn’t release to save a million bucks, give me a break. He could of chose any team in league to play for once he cleared waivers. They found a team that would pay a million dollars over league minimum, end story.
Yea they are paying his whole salary minus 1.75 mill for him to play for another team. Crazy though that he is in his 5th and final year of that deal already. 2016 feels like just yesterday…
It’s a salary dump♂️
I get the moves this off-season. But I can’t help but wonder how this strategy is any different than under Eppler except for having an elite closer.
The Angels are getting Fowler for 2021 for something like 2-3m, to be their 5th OFer.
Fowler has been replacement level for the last 3 seasons, and he’ll be 35 in 2021. This is a dump. The Angels will be sending back their #35 prospect, surely.
Have you seen his stats?! His 2018 was terrible, yes, but he was worth about 2 WAR in 2019 and played at a similar level in 2020. He’ll be a decent stopgap for you guys.
the worst GM in Angels history. sorry boys see you next offseason. not watching this train wreck of a season
What they need him for ????
Trout
Upton
Addell
????????
Adell didn’t look too good
PapiElf in the house!!!!!
Adell too young, Marsh no power. Trade those stiffs while their “prospect” value is high…..
Fowler will be the RF or the fourth OF
The Angels will need someone to play left field when Upton’s average fall below .100. That should happen about mid-May.
You should pay attention to hard hard Upton hit the ball and what he did the last month of the season.
That may be, but the season is longer then a month. And he’s getting what, 20 mil? I would hope for better. He sucked the year before as well.
Upton is crazy streaky. Horrible one to start last year, went on an absolute tear to end it. Over the course of a normal season he’ll normalize a bit.
he was coming back from an injury?
I have no issue with those that think Upton is going to stink, but he played 2019 injured and got off to a slow start, then he crushed the ball. I don’t think he’s done. He might be, but it is not a forgone conclusion.
I’m throwing up in my mouth a bit, but I agree with Vizionaire and Halo11Fan on Upton.
Justin Upton has always been a late starter… Last season was too short
Can he pitch?
nice
nice
It’s a good question. Yeah, we’ve got 7 starters, all #4 and #5 pitchers. Heany hasn’t had a healthy season in years ( last year doesn’t count). Canning has the talent to be real good but will he need T. J. surgery. The rest are just mediocre.
Maybe Ohtani real be great, but will only pitch on Sundays.
I’m disgusted.
This team is a joke
And they get funnier everyday.
Good stuff is that he’s gone
We know, you dont like his kind
The kind that has a salary unbefitting of his production?
Exactly, what the hell was that about?
Chicagofan, what do you mean?
You mean the kind that is overpaid and strikeouts way too much?
But actually he is the same player Heyward is but only cost half as much.
This.
And without the defense
Another ChiSox fan ball gargling any post that can be construed negatively towards the Cubs!
Since when does he strike out way too much? You must be confusing him with O’Neill. Fowler is overpaid but still a decently productive player.
Lmao no. He’ll be outta the mlb in 3-5 years
Fowler is a bad player on a terrible contract…..so the Angels probably traded Reid Detmers for him.
He’s an average player being slightly overpaid. You people whine about his contract like it comes outta your paycheck.
Hes statistically the worst starting right fielder in baseball. Hes not even in the top 30! His defense is horrible. never dives for a ball and make stupid thoughtless baserunning blunders. Good riddance!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Best play I saw Daddy Long Legs make in a Cardinals uniform came in the 2019 NLDS against the Braves. It was on the bases, he slid around a tag and just barely held onto the bag. That was crazy. Statistically speaking hes been one of the worst RF in baseball past few years. They complain about his contract cause the Cardinals could have been paying anyone of Arozerena, Mercado, O’neil, or Thomas a 1/4th of the payroll and get the same level of production if not better. The first two were traded because they were blocked by the Fowler Contract, Ozuna trade, or other players the Cardinals were higher on than them. Mercado would have been great in STL for the 2018 season, Arozarena for the 2020 season. That’s why they are upset.
This is exactly why we are upset in STL. Most fans are just jealous that Arozerena and Ozuna left and thrived in their new roles. Fans look at Dex and have that “what if” thought. He is a great guy off the field and most fans that I know liked him for his personality, but you had the residual groan when he stepped up to the plate. I wish him all the best. Maybe he can get back up to an average player in LA.
Don’t hold back, tell us how you REALLY feel. Ahahahaha!
Wrong! He’s an average player whose defense is a little below average but far from terrible, well above being the worst RF in the game. He’s much better than the other options like O’Neill. Do some research before spouting off BS like that!
Statistics are easily found. He is Godawfull defensively. I remember several stupid baserunning moves like rounding second while the fielder is standing on the base holding the ball and just reached over and tagged him out. Many similar blunders.
He hasn’t been an average player in years.
Since when do 2019 and 2020, when he was indeed an average player, not count as years?
I always thought he got too much crap from the fanbase.
He’s a below average player being overpaid badly. He’s worth like 3 million now
It’s Nightengale, definitely not gonna be true
The Angels officially confirmed the trade within minutes of this report: mlb.com/news/dexter-fowler-angels-trade
A man of integrity. Wonderful!
Precursor to Trout to Dodgers trade.
Imagine trout and betts in the outfield holy crap! I’d package bellinger plus for trout!
Bellinger, Bueller, May and their top two minor leaguers.
Bellinger, Buehler, May and Lux for Trout is a huge W for both sides, might even put a Dodgers/Angels WS on the table for the next bunch of years, especially if either team gets Bauer too.
thats terrible for the dodgers.
Only if the Angels had incriminating photos of Friedman would this ever happen. Trout is better than Bellinger, of course, but not so much better that we would give up our ace, another promising young pitcher, and two top prospects. Come on now.
At their current salary allocation, Bellinger is more valuable than Trout. It matters. The Angels can’t build a winner because they have $116 million/year tied to four players (Trout, Rendon, Pujols, Upton). Friedman is proving to be brilliant when it comes to managing payroll. It is a big reason why the Dodgers should remain a contender for a long while.
That’s a hell of imagination
I know you’re joking but could you imagine an outfield of Bellinger, Trout, and Betts?
Belinger is like Harper, more hype than production. One great year, somehow, and average or below after.
Harper doesn’t produce?? Have you seen his numbers? He doesn’t belong in the same category as Betts and Trout, but he certainly produces on a consistent level.
Obviously he is one of those Batting Average worshippers that would rather have a guy that has a triple slash line of .300/.350/.430 with a .780 OPS along with 10 home runs, 70 runs batted in and 50 walks instead of a guy that has a triple slash of .250/.400/.530 a with .930 OPS, along with 40 home runs, 110 runs batted in and 120 walks.
In what world. It would have to involve Bellinger, minimum, if for some reason the Angels were fool enough to trade him
Bellinger, Buehler, May and Lux for Trout.
I’d do it.
Might make the Angels WS contenders tbh.
Buehler wouldn’t be involved. May, lux and bellinger is ample for angels. Maybe if not gray or mitchell white but I’d think dodgers would like to shed salary so they would probably include Kelly or kenley to offset trouts deal.
Betts
Seager
Trout
Turner
Muncy
Taylor
Smith
Pollock
Yikes!!!!!
Nah Dodgers homer, its Mike Trout. They need a legit ace in the return.
Trout is literally worth any 5-10 players from any team. You are undervaluing him, give it up. The wild part is the Dodgers could do any 5 players for him including Betts and Bellinger and still be the best team in the NL, because then they would have MIKE TROUT.
Realistically Bellinger, Buehler, May and Lux are a package that could definitely happen.
Your nuts dude, betts, bellinger and another 3 players that are Mlb ready would tank the Dodgers homie. Get real
Your also missing the point bellinger is almost as good as trout is alone! Bellinger had a 10 war season in 19’ adding lux and may (potential ace) is more than enough especially considering dodgers would be absorbing an additional 35 million per season. Judging by the trades so far for super stars including arenado it won’t cost as much as you think.
Bro you are TRIPPING.
Trout is on another planet to Bellinger and Arenado. He’s on his own tier! His money means nothing, he’s Mike Trout. He’s the GOAT.
If they traded Bellinger, Buehler, May and Lux for Trout they’d easily blow away the entire league for YEARS. Because it’s Trout!
I wouldn’t say he’s the goat. I’d say Mays and Pete Rose rank way higher and I’m a Trout supporter. I think Trout sits in the Top 15, at least. He could even be the Top 10 or better
Marty….stop….he’s not the goat, but a damn great player, you need to stop homie. Bellinger, Buehler, May and Lux would tank the Dodgers. Who would fill the gaps? Betts? Haha. Get out of here. Urias hasn’t pitched more the 80 innings, kershaw is declining, price is junk, etc..if trout could carry a team like that then he would have a ring already.
Trout is not the GOAT. He may be when all is said and done, but at this point Griffey Jr., Bonds (pre-steroids), Mays, Cobb, probably Williams and Mantle and Ruth, possibly Rose and Aaron and Clemente rank higher, I feel like I’m forgetting some folks, too. .
That would be a terrible trade for the Dodgers. Over the last four years, they have gone to three World Series, won a championship, and chugged along at a 102-win pace…without Trout. They have gotten better every year and figure to have perhaps their best team in 2021. Why would they trade an MVP, a lights-out p0st-season SP, a second SP, and a quality middle infielder for one guy? If Trout was that good, the Angels would be making deep runs every year. Btw, using the word “literally” where it’s not needed doesn’t make your proposal and smarter. It’s a dumb trade idea. Period. Why would the Dodgers trade four good players not yet in their prime for one player near the end of his? Building a winner in baseball doesn’t work that way, especially when the team giving up the four is already an established winner.
Pete Rose doesn’t rank with the greatest of the greats.
Career WAR
Rose 79.7 in 3,562 games
Trout: 74.6 in 1,252. games
In Reds history, Rose ranks behind, Bench, Morgan, and Robinson by a wide margin. The ultimate stat accumulator. What evidence supports your contention that Rose ranks with Mays and Trout?
Kershaw declining? He’s still one of the best pitchers in the game.
Price is not junk.
@Mweller77
Won’t argue with your list or logic for the most part, but no one is replacing Ruth as the GOAT.
One stat alone makes this clear- his .690 Career Slugging. There is seldom even one player who slugs .690 during a single season.
WAR isn’t the end all / be all stat, but look at how far ahead Ruth is of some really great players on your own list. He’s double Clemente and a 150% of Williams. He’s 10% better than Any player in histor!
Trout will likely crack the top 10 or 20 if he stays healthy. How far up the list is still not certain, but he has a good start. For perspective- he has 45% of the WAR Ruth does. (75 vs 182 from bb ref). So if he doubles his career WAR it’s 150 which would be 7th all time. Then all he has to add is 30 more to get to 2nd place. 30 more is only 40% percent of his current career After doubling his current career WAR. That’s how ridiculously good Ruth was.
Bellinger, buehler, may and Lux I’d do it goofy says. Smh ridiculous.
Ruth didn’t have to compete against Latin or African American players. Also there was less than 100 million people in the country from which to draw talent from.
You can quote stats all day, Pete Rose was the greatest player I’ve ever witnessed.
Actually, I think trading Trout makes sense so they can build a better team overall. Bellinger is about as valuable as Trout so a trade involving Bellingers makes no sense.,, I could see… Lux, Ruiz, Gray, DJ Peters for Trout. Fair for both teams IMO. Angels get a future all star Catcher in Ruiz, Lux a great young young IF, top SP prospect in Gray and a Trout replacement in Peters
Bellinger isn’t as valuable as Trout! Get out of here!
Bellinger is better defensively, faster, younger, just entering his prime. Trout is likely nearing the end of his prime. The Dodgers have zero need to make such a dumb trade.
Cey Hey
Totally agree Trout turning 30 and definitely nearer to the end of his prime, but he’ll probably still out produce, on average and in total, Bellinger for the rest of both of their careers.
For instance – Trout avg 7.5 WAR over 10 years and Bellinger 4.7. Bellinger is very good for 4 years and could be for a long time. Trout is in the All Time great conversation and has been for 10 years. Bellinger could project to top 50 all time WAR if he maintains 4.7 WAR for another ~14 years or age 39. Trout can be top 20 with 9 years of 4 WAR or age 39.
It’s a risky move that the dodgers wouldn’t ever need to consider because they’ve built a sustainable powerhouse that generally stays below the tax line and staying below the tax line is how you stay sustainable.
Cey Hey normally does good on here, but stop it on the Homer Ballinger/Trout thing.
Cey Hey…you’re wrong on this one bud. Bellinger maybe younger but match them up year for year at respectable age and Trout is a way better player. Bellinger is already having shoulder surgeries while Trout has had a foot surgery lol. Bellinger is going to get worse faster.
Cardinals will be making some moves..they played possum it seems and now are waking up
I hope not, but may be they are adding Ozuna? Just a hunch.
My thought too
I was imagining the same thing…a reunion with Ozuna…would definitely make the cardinals a contender…Ozuna on a three year deal would be great…option 4th year
if we get ozuna can we get a df instead of the dh or use the dh as df. ozuna is horrible in the field don’t see how he ever won a gg
I would love that but they’re only saving like $2 million here.
Yeah I’m thinking the same thing. Probably won’t want to increase payroll that much even though they easily could
What if they swapped him for Pujols
Only if the dh is still in the nl
Why not? You have Marp to pinch hit from the left side, and Pujols from the right. Love it
Unless Goldschmidt is moving to a different position, or STL is banking on an NL DH… that makes no sense. The only worth Pujols has left is his flashback Show cards in DD.
Pujols is still a decent hitter. Restricting him to pinch-hitting would be a massive disservice, especially as it too badly damages his ability to chase those career milestones.
Wtf are you even talking about? Are you playing strat o matic or out of the park baseball from 2013? He’s still a decent hitter? Good lord.
I wonder how old Pujols really is
But why?
My words exactly. Why? They need pitching not hitters
Cards throwing in cash so we don’t know how much they are kicking in maybe half?
14 Mil
Im guessing they are throwing in almost all of it.
If it’s half I’d be thrilled as a Cards fan. Clears room up for pitching money or adding another outfielder while dumping a useless 8 million if that’s the case
This has to be too good to be true. Likeable guy, but that’s a lot of money.
ummmm why???? WE NEED FREAKING BULPEN NOT 5th outfielders
Cardinals clearing payroll to add Bauer.
More seriously, have no idea. Interesting though.
The angels are a joke
I’m thinking low ranking prospects, unless the Cardinals eat up a lot of that contract. Even then…
Hopefully change of scenery will help this dude.
The only place he was ever good was Wrigley.
He was pretty good in Colorado.
Yeah… but do we count Coors?
“Can he pitch?” JK.
Why would the Angels who are acting financially limited do this?
My guess is STL is eating a ton of cash to dump him.
nailed it
So this puts Tommy Edmanin right and noodle arm at second. Everyone is happy.
Nope. O’Neill, Bader, Carlson. Ed man at 2nd.
What happens to overpaid noodle arm?
Rides the pine as a super sub….unless he gets traded too. I didn’t think they could trade for Nolan or get rid of Fowler so apparently they can make miracles happen.
Only saved them 1.75mil. Angel’s got a good deal. Unless the ptbnl ends up being anything worth a damn
Lol. Nobody collects uselessness like the angles.
So how much did we (the Cardinals) have to pay them to take him? However much it is, totally worth it. Hallelujah.
14 Mil
Sure, remember that when O’Neill strikes out half the times he comes to the plate, while there could’ve been a decent hitter in that spot instead.
Did O’Neill sleep with your wife or something?
Fowler’s not a decent hitter he’s a bad hitter
I guessing St Louis will be sending a prospect along with Fowler to Anaheim like the Yankees did with Ottavino to Boston. Seems like Anaheim is buying a prospect here, or at least they’d better be by taking on that contract!
The Angels are just sending a PTBNL that’s it.
Makes much more sense that Anaheim is only paying $1.75M for him. Worthwhile gamble by Anaheim.
Cardinals are paying the bulk of Fowlers contract
Such an Angels move.
This could be the only comment on this thread, and it would have sufficed.
Angels continue adding ex-Cubs under Joe Maddon.
The Los Chicago Cubles of Anaheim
Dex for Pujols. Book it
That would be awesome!!!
Wow first they fleece the rox then salary dump Fowler. Solid week
What salary dump? They’re paying the Angels $12.75M in order to weaken their own lineup. Did the Cardinals need to save $1.25M that badly?
Fowler for Trout… bank it — Arte Moreno, probably
Angels should trade for Shane Bieber
Indians are trying to compete still. So who do the angels have that are roster players that would interest Indians and make them better. Ok so nobody that is why the angels won’t be trying to trade for him.
WTF Angels!!! What is the “Let’s eat 20 million dollars without gaining talent” strategy!?!?
$1.25M for a 2 WAR player sounds like a pretty good deal to me.
Love this as an Angels fan. Nice plug in case Adell or Marsh need more time
Why? You could’ve gotten the same production out of Albert Almora for 1/5 the price. Unless there is a good prospect coming from St. Louis, I hate this deal for the Angels.
1/16th of the price
How can you “hate this deal?” The Cardinals are taking on most of the contract and the Angels fill a hole on their roster. He doesn’t make them exceed the cap, so the only reason you would “hate this deal” is if you cared that Arte is going to spend a few extra million this offseason. This doesn’t hurt the team at all, it just helps Adell and Marsh get more time in the minors.
My mistake, this move looks way better for the Angels then it initially did. I thought when the article said that it was a salary dump for the Cards; I thought it was going to be more money to LAA. My bad.
Good rule of thumb is to wait for the full deal to be announced before posting who won or lost the trade but that rule is broke be nearly everyone here. Usually doesn’t matter, if one team gets established expensive player they win the trade in the simpletons eyes no matter what they gave up or how much the guy makes.
Omg. The cardinals are laughing right now that anyone would take Fowler and free up their cap space. How did they pull this one off? Oh ya it’s the Angels.
Interested to see the details because he’s a 2 million dollar fourth outfielder making 16.5 million.
Only clearing up 1.75 Mil
The Cards are laughing because they paid almost 90% of the contract to get rid of him?
Another guy who hasn’t been good in years. Is anyone happy about this off season.
The moves Perry has made this year have set the Angels up for a complete rebuild in 2022 while still being “competitive” in 2021. The AL West is also going to be bad in 2021, so the Angels could maybe win the division. You don’t have to believe it, but that’s what the Angels FO must be thinking with all these 1 year deals this offseason.
The Angels could have still rebuilt in 2022 and put together a much better
Team in a division that isn’t that good. What they are doing this year is pathetic.
It gets a lot harder to sign/trade for players when their contract has to expire in 2022. What would you have done instead, keeping in mind that the Angels are only interested in acquiring players who will be free agents next offseason?
O’Day instead of Claudio. Richards or Paxton instead of Quintana or Cobb. Since the Reds dropped Bradley, I would have gotten on the phone and included him in the deal and taken less money. Win-Win. And if Richards got hurt I can pretty much guarantee you that the innings of Barria and Richards will be better than the innings of the other two.
The Angels have added players to take up spots and missed opportunities to add useful players.
I doubt O’day would live on the west coast. He signed with braves a year or two ago to be closer to his wife. So I think only the east coast teams were a option for him.
This and the Cobb trade are absolutely horrible. I have no idea what is going through Perry’s brain, but it’s not good. They keep adding these washed-up players hoping that they can rebound. It won’t happen, and Trout will have another season in which he gets to watch the playoffs from home. So sad!
The 1 year deals that most clubs are signing is because of the possible lockout. Nobody wants to pay a guaranteed contract if there is work stoppage.
He’s 31 games removed from a 1.5WAR season. For only $1.75mil. That’s about a month and a half of baseball. This is a bargain if he only produces 0.3WAR (each WAR is approximately worth $8mil)
he’ll be 35 years old. how many non-power outfielder produce positive numbers?
Were you in a coma for the past 2 years? Fowler has been perfectly decent player in that time. Why does everyone seem to forget that 2018 was a fluke for him?
Alright Dexter we get it. You think you can still play.
You should ban the use of anything Nightengale tweets/says/thinks.
.269/.349/.452 vs RHP last year.
Just don’t let him bat vs LHP..
If he can platoon with a righthanded bat (Adell?), this buys a year of development for Jo.
Lol didn’t see this coming. Always loved Dex tho, great dude. Reunion with Maddon too. Maybe he will have a resurgence out in LA
Still the best Cub leadoff hitter in my lifetime. He was such a sparkplug on that team in 15 & 16. Cubs still haven’t replaced him. Ironically Heyward ended up being the better bad contract.
Lol I know right who would have thought. I’ve actually noticed a pretty big step forward in Heywards mechanics and approach at the plate. Would not surprise me at all if he took another step towards his Stl production this year. I think happ, j-hey, and joc can be a sneaky good of this year. Plz go sign schoop Cubs! No reason not to give him a 1-2 yr deal.
personally i think when j-hey took that fastball to the jaw when he was in atl he never seemed to be the same at the plate. then again don’t know how many guys that would be the same after taking 90+ to the face
This is kind of sad. He was never going to live up to that contract, but he seems like such a genuinely good dude.
3 way trade confirmed. Trout to the Padres, Myers to the Angels, 2 Padres prospects to Cards.
Trout still wouldn’t be in the playoffs. be watching again.
Legendary Cub
1 of 4?
I just realized that Angels’ fans must be pissed at Bob Nightengale tonight lmao.
Finally, some starting pitching!!!
Not that Fowler woulda helped but damn AA do something already
We need a LF, a bullpen arm preferably 2 & a back up infielder who can play SS once in awhile
Is it AA or is it ownership that doesn’t want to spend a dime? Still think they re-sign Ozuna.
bone spur express CHOO CHOO
Yup. Even in his prime with the Cubs… very injury-prone. Now he’s below average-to-bad AND injury-prone. Still hope the best for Dex.
*Billy Eppler and Perry Minisian drunk on a Zoom call*
Billy: Never have I ever traded for an overpaid OFer.
Perry: Hol up… You ain’t?
Billy: Naw bro, especially not aging ones.
Perry: Bet.
a player on a minor league contract would have sufficed. the whole offseason has been question marks after another.
This just in: Fowler is secretly a starting pitcher. An ace even!
But can he pitch
Angels go dumpster diving.
Trash Cart Carrier Divin’ Perry
i can’t think of any reason to trade for him. no wonder arte chose him for being dumb. he likes his gm’s dumb.
Ok. So definitely needed to get Adell some AAA time and Fowler can play all three spots but……
Wouldn’t bringing back Goodwin have been less expensive?
Angel’s are only paying 1.75mil for fowler
what’s going the other way is the problem.
Probably a low level prospect or a couple extra million, which doesn’t matter because it doesn’t put them over the luxury cap.
have they been making any senses?
Fowler can’t play any outfield spots. He ranked 114th in defense in 2019
Wow. That’s way worse than I expected.
Then give Marsh an audition and let Adell get more swings in AAA. But freaking Fowler… at any price? That’s just more dead weight on a roster with little room for it.
The only thing I can think of after 11’s defense info is service time. Getting an extra cost controlled year of both guys is valuable.
Right field was brutal last year, anyway. Even getting up to neutral would be a boost. Or close to neutral.
Geez, I guess I can agree with that thinking. But at the same time, I have to believe that Minasian could’ve done better in terms of defense and/or offensive potential. Heck, I suspect even Taylor Ward would be better – and we already have him in the fold, without tying up another roster spot…
Any other team and I would be surprised. The Angels well…. Vernon Wells . Mike drop.
Pujols for Fowler would’ve been an even swap.
I haven’t been this upset at an Angel GM since Reagins acquired Vernon Wells. It’s easy to see that Perry is going to be a rotten GM.
For once I agree with you
that was on arte. as with most of the moves.
He’s a decent get at $1.75mil. Especially if it frees Perry to go out and acquire what all you impatient fans want – cheap controllable pitching. It’s amazing how foolish so many prior comments are when more details of this deal surface.
It doesn’t matter how much. It’s not a need and unless the Angels cut him it’s a roster spot.
Why are you so sour on Fowler? Last year he only played 31 games and had a bad year, just like a lot of decent players. In 2019 he put up 1.7WAR. If he puts up half of that he’s a bargain at $1.75. And it allows Perry to deal one of the young outfielders for pitching. You might want to let things play out a bit, a lot of your posts don’t age well.
He is a .2 war player the last three years combined. It sounds like he will be their starting right fielder, not to much to get excited about no matter the cost.
Sorry, I was looking at oWAR. He had basically his worst year of his career in 2018, but bounced back nicely in 2019 with 1.5WAR. That’s $12mil of worth of WAR. Even if he puts up 0.5War he’s still a bargain.
we could have signed a younger player with upside on a minor league contract. more than likely produce more than this guy.
Yes, there are a ton of younger players with upside that will sign a minor league deal and produced 1.5WAR in 150 out of their last 181 Major League games.
You and Halo11 are hilarious.
It’s another spot where the Angels should have added a useful player. It’s another wasted opportunity.
did you somehow took a dummy pill?
He did not have a bad year last year. He just missed some time. That’s 2 decent years in a row.
Don’t put too much stock into his 1 terrible year in 2018, and you can’t judge WAR from 2020. He’s stiil worth about 1.5 WAR/year when you consider 2019 and when he was on the field for 2020.
@Vizionaire – Don’t you have an 8th grade Zoom PE class in the morning? Do your pushups little man.
“Can he pitch?”
Over and over and over. You’re not funny, you’re not clever, just stop.
This is clearly a setup move to another move.
they are filling the last spot on 40 men with this ‘thing’.
Yes, every team’s 40-man is set in stone on February 4th. Does your brain actually produce these thoughts?
do you think 35 year old dud is worth to keep over anyone? get real!
Cards sending some of that Rockies cash to Anaheim.
I’m trying to rationalize this deal and honestly can’t.
Let me help you. For a whopping $1.75m the Angels get an outfielder that in 2019 put up 1.7WAR. Allowing them to possibly deal one of their young outfield prospects for a pitcher. Is that difficult to understand?
I’m usually one to defend the GM, but I think the roster spot is the issue here. To me this signals “we are done.”
How so? Is there some new rule that I’m not aware of that 40 man rosters are set on February 4th? This year of all years there will be a ton of activity in the month leading up to Spring Training. Please explain how this signals to you that “we are done”.
Time will tell
I actually don’t get this for STL… they save $1.75M and pay $12.75M for Fowler to play for someone else?
If $1.75M is all you can get off then you might as well just keep Fowler, he should provide more value than that off the bench.
Opens a roster spot for someone else that will be more productive. Or, maybe Fowler requested the trade thinking he wouldn’t play much with oNeill and Carlson playing the corners everyday.
Justin Williams is out of options and now looks like the 4th or 5th outfielder. It wasn’t about losing Fowler as much as it was about losing Williams.
That’s the problem! Fowler is already much more productive than O’Neill! Why in the world would you play O’Neill over Fowler if Fowler is still on the team! Until O’Neill or someone else like Thomas or Dean can prove that they’re any more than AAAA players, an OF with a decent floor like Fowler was still needed on a team that hopes to compete.
Lmao in what world is Fowler more productive? You don’t even watch baseball it seems like he’s literally ranked the worst rf in baseball ♂️ All the players you listed are mlb ready bader is a bust I’ll give you that but the rest have yet to prove them self & they where mlb ready 2 years after us signing dex. & Tyler literally just won a gold glove. Just stop
The central is ours. Getting Nolan gives Carlson room to grow & gives dejong & goldy protection. Go cry some more
*Rodman Edward Serling gestures over to Perry Minisian watching him clinch a bottle of Jack*
This man is Perry Minisian, and he has watched his newfound career melt away. Losing the help of employees, managers, and consumers he fell into a dark consumption of fear; ridiculed by fear itself. He clinches the last bottle he can feasibly reach for out of disregarded desperation, and the result of his storm and stress combined to take him to a place worse than fear itself. It took him… to the Twilight Zone.
Nice. But this move is much more in line with the formulaic 80s Twilight Zone. In other words — the Angels — different day, same shizzz.
There is only one scenario where this makes any sense, and I’m not even sure about this one: Minasian is about to pull the trigger on a big trade for a front line SP, and Adell will be the main chip. But honestly, I’m really struggling with this one…
trading adell at his lowest point in value is the dumbest thing ever done by a gm. though, i wouldn’t be surprised.
You seem inconsolable as always… Adell’s stock hasn’t gone anywhere, not with being rushed up during a pandemic-shortened season. He is what he is and scouts know it. And if he yields a front line starter with a good 2-3 years of control, then this move starts to make some sense. Otherwise, it’s just adding dead weight to a roster that has no room for it.
dream all you want. arte is not spending a dime for a pitcher.
And you know this how exactly? Based on losing out on VASTLY overpaying for Cole last year, or refusing to do the same for a slightly lesser pitcher in Bauer this year? The options are not binary and the process is fraught with risks of all kinds, including hamstringing the Angels payroll for a decade to come. There are always options beyond the ones you can see assume you understand.
@Bucket – because he’s the “Vizionaire” you know, like the “Wiz” from Seinfeld. A comedy act.
GM Perry Minasian on Dexter Fowler: “We think there’s a lot left in the tank.” He’ll be their primary right fielder. The Angels are paying just $1.75 million of Fowler’s $14.5 million contract
Full transparency, I don’t know the inner workings of the Angels’ budget, nor do I know every move they make and their motivation for it. That said, let me get this right:
1) Angels desperately need SP above all else
2) Angels are limited (even if self-imposed) in budget and thus are restricted in the amount they can spend this year, and pretty much every other
3) Angels traded for a player who is neither a good defender nor a good hitter
4) The aforementioned player has a fairly expensive contractual commitment that has now been transferred to the budged-conscious, cash-flow-limited Angels, who gained virtually no discernible advantage from this transaction.
That about sum it up accurately? If so, how can their own organizational hierarchy not recognize this failure in administration?
Show a little patience, and maybe read a bit. They Angels are paying Fowler a measly $1.75mil. Cards eating the rest.
that’s still too much!
He’s 31 games removed from a 1.5WAR season. That’s about a month and a half of baseball. For only $1.75mil. This is a bargain if he only produces 0.3WAR (each WAR is approximately worth $8mil)
I never understood why they signed Rendon. They’ve needed a complete overhaul in their pitching dept for YEARS. They did sign Ohtani, but again — only they Angels could sign a DH to pitch.
Curveball – it’s not like they haven’t tried. Been in on every top FA pitcher for the past five years. Guys sign where they want to sign, they got outbid a few times, and haven’t really had the prospects to work a deal. It’s not like they can wave a magic wand and say “We want you” and the player magically says “Where do I sign”
For a big guy Marsh doesn’t have any power and Adell? Oh well…..
Slow news night, when an article about Dexter Fowler gets 160 comments.
And it took about 30 minutes to get that lmao.
Because everyone likes to dump on the Angels lol
^
Great person and a great teammate. The Cardinals will miss his clubhouse presence. Make baseball fun again!
dang, wish we can send him back!
Fowler seems like a good dude.i hope he does well. stL fans never got behind him even after a good first season. 2nd season complete bust and fans never looked back. I thought hed be a good leadoff guy in front of goldy and arenado.
He was a bad player that didnt try yo be good.
False
Ridiculous
Carp is overpaid and everyone blamed management. Dex was overpaid and everyone blamed Dex.
I hope he’s successful in Anaheim. Good dude.
This tells me the Cardinals were about to release him and gave him away just to save the 1 million. Not really a value add trade here for either side.
The Angels are basically getting Fowler for free and will pay him $2 mil. He will play for half a season while Adell and Marsh work on their games in AAA, by which time one of them will be ready to go…and their service time will have been set back.
And, if Fowler happens to be playing well, the Angels play him all season.
At such a low investment, this is a very good move by LAA. In fact, its not even an investment. Its merely shuffling money. The money they pay Fowler now will be reimbursed later by pushing back a youngsters service time clock.
Refreshing poster for a change, most of these fools on here just jump to conclusions there paying all 14m….. SMH
There are a whole lot of mouth breathers on this site who don’t put any thought before commenting. If their comments were 30% as smart as this one this whole site would get significantly better.
$1.5 mil plus a young player who may someday become a valuable major leaguer is not basically free. cards fans must be delighted sending him to a foolishly run baseball team but we, fans, are not fools. well, most of us aren’t.
It’s a PTBNL or cash considerations, the likelihood of this becoming a “valuable major leaguer” is incredibly low. For all we know LAA could be sending $1 to STL like SD did last year when they acquired Yonder Alonso from ATL.
angels usually don’t know what they have low minors. aarte even stopped paying every scout last year but has his old friend running the team as a president though he seems to be arte’s cheerleader and nothing else.
i’d expect cards to have the list of the players they can develop.
Saving $1.25M hardly even seems worth it!!
*$1.75M
yeah actually that makes sense. I was saying before that saying $1.75M hardly seems worth it. But you’re right. If the alternative was to release him then this makes sense. Better than nothing.
Someone else commented that maybe they were otherwise going to release him. So with that in mind I guess this makes more sense… as saving something is better than nothing at all. And it’s totally plausible that they’d otherwise have just had to release him and eat the entire amount (minus league minimum if he signed elsewhere)
Derrick Goold suggests it was basically a favor to Dex because he was going to lose playing time.
Fowler!? That’s not how you spell Bauer!!!
Fowler will allow Angels to keep Adell in the minors to start the season. He can develop his hitting more while not accruing MLB service time. Angels basically get Fowler for nothing while the roughly $3M STL saves can go towards a Yadi contract clears a crowded OF.
This gives Adell time in the minors but they could of used this money to sign a reliever or two.
This gives Adell time in the minors but they could of used this money to sign a reliever or two.
So they bought Fowler for only $1.75M after the money St. Louis is kicking in. Not a bad gamble by Anaheim. They can’t count on Adell or Marsh contributing as full time players yet so this is a decent stop-gap for them. I understand now why they did this.
Fowler was terrible from the right side of the plate last season so you have to wonder if they will still look for a RH hitter to be the 4th OF. This probably squeezes Schebler out of a spot barring injuries
Cardinals have the worst outfield in mlb.
Addition by subtraction says they just got a little better
STL has the best defensive OF in MLB. I think they will hit this season too. Have faith.
Can’t be mad at this for 1.75 million. Clearly perry has to wait until the Albertross comes off the books next year. Good Lord that contract looks worse every day. Nobody cares what records he breaks as an Angel, we all know he’s going into the hall as a cardinal. 30 million (almost 1/5 of the payroll) for him to watch balls get caught at warning track for one more year. Ugh.
He’s going into the HOF as a baseball player. The cap thing is a bit silly.
Albertross — I see what you did there! LOL!
I like this move….let’s go Angels!!
Stl cut a guarantee contract.Fowler waived his no-trade.Halos get a platoon outfielder for free!
This team needs pitching not another outfielder.
Over the last week or two I have to wonder if these transactions have been made through the robinhood app.
Good trade for the Angels considering the huge sum they got back from St. Louis. Pretty good 4th OF’er.
Angels’ screaming need is SP, and they’re screwing around with Dexter Fowler? Aside from the fact that STL is eating most of his salary, the potential silver lining is that Fowler is today’s Candy Maldonado – world beater in walk years, shifts into coast mode the rest of the time.
He’s had two walk years in his whole career. 2015 and 2016. Yeah, no player in history has had two decent seasons in a row.
This is a walk year for him, unbelievable!
Player to be names later or cash considerations coming back to STL
i won’t be cash.
Cash back doesn’t make sense to me either but here is where I found that.
mlb.com/news/cardinals-trade-dexter-fowler-to-ange…
Why does the writer say the Cardinals will be sending the money in one sentence, and then the clubs have not confirmed the money in the next one. It can’t be both. Where I come from, “will be sending” is used to state a fact.
“The Cardinals will be sending $12.75 million to L.A. in the deal, a source told MLB.com’s Rhett Bollinger. The clubs have not confirmed the money being exchanged.”
It can absolutely be both. The money is changing hands regardless if each team has confirmed it in a press release or not. Sources are sources for a reason.
sell the team, arturo moreno!
He makes money from it.
if he is this good at making money off a baseball team he’d be better at other things.
Good trade all around, really. Fowler at $1..75 mil is a decent bet and no loss really if he can’t manage a dead cat bounce. Otherwise, he buys development time for Adell/Marsh. Cards save a small amount but more importantly, free up an outfield spot for someone younger who may be able to play, whether that’s Lane Thomas, Justin Williams, Jhon Torres or even Tommy Edman (playing LF, Carlson in RF) if Carpenter shows his bat has anything left and he can play a tolerable 2B (both unlikely, but possible). And quite frankly, with the glut of relief pitchers out there on the market, that $1.75 mil could net someone of value.
But Fowler could already play a lot better in comparison to any of those younger options! Hoping for a Carpenter rebound or that any of those AAAA outfielders can finally figure it out is a HUGE gamble just to save $1.75M.
O’Neil is next up for a starting spot he just won a gold glove & edman is manning second with wong going to mil
I’m not paying you for the player you used to be, I’m paying you for the player you are right now.
Moneyball, 2011
OH YOU’RE SPECIAL. Nah man I ain’t paying you 7. Yankees are paying half your salary. They’re paying you $3.5m to play against them. That’s what the New York Yankees think of you.
I never understand what the angels are doing. consistently they need rotation pieces and go out and a quote any true upgrades and get everything but what they are looking for
Cards clearing room to resign Molina
The real question is can he pitch
angels are paying $3.75 mil. $16.5-$12.75=$3.75 million! the worst is getting worse! fire minasian!
I think it’s only $1.75 million. I think Maria Torres (LA Times) made a mistake with the numbers.
it’s $1.75. ‘owler’ is getting paid $16.50 mil. cards are sending $14.75 mil according to cot’s. yes, i was wrong but they were so wrong.
This should be called the Vizionaire comedy show! One hilariously ridiculous take after another. Keep ’em coming!
Wrong, wrong again and again. Prorated signing bonuses are ALWAYS paid by the team that signed the original contract. They never transfer to the receiving team in a trade. You are so funny!!!
oh, did you bring momma now being so suddenly brave?
@Vizionaire – No you are just simply the least informed person I see post on any topic. It’s hilarious and sad at the same time.
Wait, they traded him so they could save $1,750,000? I know he’s no longer an everyday guy, but couldn’t he still be at least a good off the bench player? I mean, the guy did hit 19 HR’s in 2019 and his OBP wasn’t terrible last year. I didn’t really watch the Cards last year so I don’t know how bad his defense has declined. However, could you go out and find the same production on the market for $1.75 mil?
Maybe he wasn’t going to make the team so they got what they could for him.
Cardinals save all $16.5MM of Fowler’s salary in 2022.
Scratch that. There is no 2022 season under his contract.
He’s still an every day guy compared to the likes of O’Neill, Thomas, and Dean.
Lmao no he’s not
must feel great to have a team pay you 12mil just to leave
Angels got Dexter Fowler for essentially 2 years, $20.25MM.
Scratch that. There is no 2022 season under his contract.
Per Cots Contracts:
Dexter Fowler signed by St. Louis as a free agent 12/8/16
5 years/$82.5M (2017-21)
$10M signing bonus (paid in $1M installments on each July 1 and Oct. 1, 2017-21)
17-21: $14.5M annually
Acquired by LA Angels in trade from St. Louis 2/4/21, with Angels responsible for $1.75M of Fowler’s 2021 salary and Cardinals paying $12.75M of his salary and both remaining signing bonus payments
So Cardinals end up paying $14.75M.
It is a salary dump, but to make things official Angels must send something in the other direction.
Fowler as an everyday player represented a hitter who struck out, failed to drive in runs and was reluctant to take walks….ie., poor hitter. Was not working as a Cardinal. Hopefully Fowler can reboot under Madden.
You’re confusing him with O’Neill. Fowler has been a perfectly decent hitter the last 2 years with an OPS+ of 100 and 92.
You’re terrible, Fowler gets on base and takes his walks.
Let’s compare Folwers numbers at the end of this season vs whoever else the Cardinals play in RF. I’ll take the field.
Well, this was pointless for the Cardinals! They’ve weakened the lineup and don’t even get much salary relief for it! While Fowler is overpaid, he’s still a decent player who’s currently a much better option than the likes of O’Neill and the others, and we’re not even sure yet if Carlson’s late season breakout was for real. They also lose a DH option if it returns to the NL this season. If anything, the Cardinals should be adding talent to their outfield, not subtracting from it!
Worst outfield in MLB. Cardinals outfielders Bader and O’Neil would not be starters on majority of MLB teams. All other outfielders are unproven. A veteran outfielder with consistent productivity would help. Ryan Braun (maybe not him) type on a 1- year deal.
Bader’s offense improved enough last year to where he deserves to be the starting CF. You’re absolutely right about O’Neill, though.
I read from multiple STL fans that Bader went on a tear in his last few games and that shot up his final line. He still struck out at a ridiculously high clip and I’d be highly skeptical whether he could keep that up.
Who cares when he hit. His season stats are his season stats. You can’t pick and choose when to consider a players stats.
This is a confusing salary dump, that dumps very little salary but does clear a roster spot.
I read every comment. The homer comments are high comedy as are the haters.
That’s what I’m saying. The funniest ones for me are the “salary dump” posts. Call me crazy, but is 1.75m savings really a salary dump? Not for me, it’s just more or less freeing up a roster spot, and paying off the guy.
Maybe it could qualify as a salary dump if, you have a payroll of 50m like a few teams. We won’t mention those teams in all due respect. I guess their trying…. In making money. 😉
Can he pitch?
I see the Angels are still trying to win the 2014 World Series
That’s funny, if only because it seems like an eternity ago, Pujols was already in his mid-30s, and the Angels still have him.
Yeah and I think they have have a great shot at it!
One more salary dump. Every team in MLB should hire me. Once a year, I can fly in for a meeting and say ‘Do you know xxx will be 35 when this contract ends?’.
Then I will tell them ‘Trade every FA contract halfway thru the contract, and there is a 95% chance you won’t regret it.’.
Cards now have to be looking for another OF. I don’t think they’ll spend money on a free agent. But I wouldn’t be surprised if they were looking at a LH hitter, maybe Gallo or Calhoun.
I dont get it, What was the trade? Cards send $12.75M and Fowler to the Angels and get ….? what do they get in return? They do this to save $1.75M and get a roster spot?
Well the angels got fowler and money. The cards got….? Didn’t say. Out from a bad contract?!
but they are paying the contract, he only has 1 year left. So the only thing they are getting is a roster spot.
Score reports that it’s a PTBNL
What do the cardinals get in return? The reality of no longer having Dexter Fowler?!?
Just look at Dexters baseball reference – A whole lot of Ks for someone without power.
This is not a “trade” that moves the needle much for the Angels. But if you can get a guy with Fowler’s potential, and allow Adell and Marsh more time in the minors, for 1.75 mil, you do it in a heartbeat.
Props to Perry for realizing how desperate the Cards were to free up this roster spot.
BTW, is there any kind of a buyout clause for 2022 in Fowler’s contract?
Cards are still making moves, I wouldn’t be surprised to see Ozuna back especially if there’s a DH. Need one more starter possibly Jake Odorizzi and Lane Thomas will be your fourth outfielder or O’Neal. Let’s goooooooo!!!!!
Dear Comment Thread: this clears a roster spot for Marcell Ozuna.
So does Gonselin, Dustin May or White get traded first ?
Hahahahahaha!